1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink here 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: with Garrett Downing, and we are going to talk about 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: the biggest news items of the week as well as 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: preview Sunday's big game between the Ravens and Washington Commanders 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: at M and T Banks Stadium, which is going to 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: be an awesome game. It is. If you don't have 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: tickets to that one, you should try to go find. 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: It's good luck exactly, there's not many out there. But yeah, 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: it's been a it's been a very interesting week. Obviously, 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: Baltimore is still buzzing off of that overtime win in Cincinnati. 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: But you know, next up on the schedule is a 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: really good Washington Commander's team that's four and one in 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: first place in the NFC East, with a rookie quarterback 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: that's you know, far and away leading the Rookie of 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: the Year talk right now and even in the MVP chatter. 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: And so this game that I think when the schedule 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: was first released, wasn't one that you're like, oh, it's 18 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: always cool Ravens Commanders, you know, battle the belt ways, 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: that's cool, But like you weren't thinking, wow, this is 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: gonna be one of the biggest games of the year. 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: Now it's being talked about as potentially the game of 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: the year. It's a very interesting game. 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 2: It also just it's it's expect to be much more competitive. 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: Like we always joke, you know, you do the win 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: lost thing at the beginning of the season or when 26 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: the schedule comes out, and given where Washington was last year, 27 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: you look at this one home game. They're gonna have 28 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: a rokie quarterback, new coach. You're like, okay, this is 29 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: going to be a win. Well, now, all of a sudden, 30 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: you get to this point and the Commanders are one 31 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: of the best teams in football. These are the top 32 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: two offenses in football, and it's going to be a 33 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: really tough game. And I think that you know it. 34 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: It has It's been fun. All the conversation around town 35 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: has been fun and exciting leading into this game. Because 36 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: you have these these two teams that are close in proximity. 37 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: A lot of people have you know, fans, your neighbors, 38 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: your neighbors, a Commanders fan, you're a Ravens fan. You 39 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: know that exists in this area, especially down where you 40 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: are down closer to d Yeah. 41 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: It's It's definitely a thing. My next door neighbor is 42 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: long time commanderstand you know. The kids have the RG 43 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: three jerseys, the whole shebang, you know, and and I've 44 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: tried to you know, I've tried to work on them 45 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: over the years, you know, but they're they're pretty they're 46 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: pretty locked in. 47 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: It must just be you just must not be a 48 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: good neighbor. I guess what it. 49 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: Comes down to exactly. I mean, I I don't take 50 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: their trash cans. 51 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 2: In yees, because you gotta be you gotta be more neighborly, 52 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: and then that would bring them over to the Ravens side. 53 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think of this, you know, 54 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: in certain counties, like in Baltimore all right, generally back up, generally, 55 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: I think there's like a Baltimore versus DC thing, right 56 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: where it's like Baltimore is this very blue collar town 57 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: and DC is this like political kind of white collar 58 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: town for lack of a better term, right, And there's 59 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: always been this a little bit of a rivalry there 60 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: generally speaking, very but that hasn't really translated to the 61 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: sports teams very much. Yeah, right, because they're not in 62 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: the same division, they're not in the same conference. It 63 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: just hasn't really translated, you know. And the Ravens have 64 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: been better than the Commanders for a long time, right, 65 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: And so there's always kind of been, in my opinion, 66 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: this kind of big brother little brother Commanders fans kind 67 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: of you know, the ones that are angry at the 68 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: Commanders look at the Ravens and they're like, why can't 69 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: we be more like them? Right? And and then like 70 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: but when they face each other, they want to beat 71 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: the Ravens and kind of be the little brother who 72 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: beats the big brother on the basketball court, right, And like, 73 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: I think we saw that, especially once the regime change happened. 74 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: Commanders fans were very excited about that. And we saw 75 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: that in the preseason last year, like, you know, they 76 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: wanted to prove themselves under this new regime that times 77 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: have changed and we're we're not going to be the 78 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: little brother anymore. And like that's why it felt like 79 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: for the Commanders that preseason game last year and snapping 80 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: the Ravens preseason winning streak like felt like their super 81 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: Bowl and they were like acting like it was and 82 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: it was a big deal for them. That was like 83 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: a first kind of shot, right, And now like it 84 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: goes you go into this game and like they're feeling 85 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: really good, as they should. They're four to one, it's exciting, 86 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: they have this quarterback, they love Dan Quinn, you know, 87 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: like things are exciting in DC again. And I think 88 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: now the rivalry like there's a little bit more to it. 89 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: There's not an animosity, but there's definitely in certain parts 90 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: of you know, Montgomery County, PG County, where there's a 91 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: mixture of Ravens and Commanders fans. There's Commanders fans who 92 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: have become Ravens fans. There's Lamar Jackson fans who live 93 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: in those counties who are just like I love Lamar right, 94 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: Like in those pockets, it's very localized. I think there 95 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: is a neighborhood bragging rights aspect to this game. 96 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what it really comes down to. 97 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: You and I have debated this many times in the years, 98 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: like I don't think that this is a rivalry. I 99 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: think that it's it's and Kyle Hamilton I kind of 100 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: joked about it. He's like, yeah, you know, our rivalries 101 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: are kind of taking up with the AFC North games, 102 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: Like you can only have so many rivals and so 103 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't put this one into like the 104 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: big time rivalry category, but I do think that it 105 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: is there are bragging rights at stake locally, and you 106 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: want to have you want to win that game in 107 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 2: your neighborhood. That's what I think it comes down to. 108 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: And man, this game, like between these two teams, this 109 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: is the similarities that exist to the time that the 110 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: last really big game these two teams played was in 111 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: twenty twelve. That was, of course the year that the 112 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: Ravens won the Super Bowl, and that year was RG 113 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: three's rookie season in Washington, where he of course went 114 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: on to be the Rookie of the Year, had an 115 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: electric season. They were you know, they won the AF 116 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: or the NFC East that year, and so like there's parallels. 117 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: That game was later in the season. That was much 118 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: later in the season in December. But this is the 119 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: biggest game between these two teams since that one, and 120 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: that's that's been a while. We're talking twelve years now, 121 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: and so it's exciting to have a game of this 122 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: magnitude with some similar story lines between those two games. 123 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, yeah, I think that. I mean RG three, 124 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: number two overall pick in his rookie season off to 125 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: an offensive Rookie of the Year came pain. Yeah, there's 126 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities. You know, hopefully knock on Wood, 127 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: Jayden and Daniels. You know, really RG three's career changed 128 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: in that game. He got haluding, not injured him. Kirk 129 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: Cousins took over won that game in a comeback fashion 130 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: for the Commanders at FedExField, and RG three came back 131 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: too early from the injury and injured again, and that 132 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: changed his career. Obviously, you hope that doesn't happen to 133 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: Jade Daniels. But there's like just a lot of similarities 134 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: in terms of the storyline, the perspective, like that was 135 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: the last time really that Washington fans had this kind 136 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: of excitement right when RG three came there and started 137 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: so hot. It was like they're like we're back, let's go. Yeah, 138 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: And that changed after that injury and and like this 139 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: is the closest thing that they've had to that feeling. 140 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and similar offrom the Ravens standpoint, Like that year, 141 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: of course, the Raves won Super Bowl, so they were 142 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: at a point that year where you feel like this 143 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: team could win a Super Bowl. That was in the 144 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: middle of actually a kind of a losing skid there 145 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: for the team. They end up firing camp Cameron the next. 146 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: Day after the game. 147 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, but like that was the Ravens were a team 148 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: at that point that had Super Bowl aspirations. Of course 149 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: that came to fruition. So hopefully that's the case again 150 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: this year. 151 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: That part of the story a lot of similarities, so 152 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: to continue it. Yeah, but I think that I don't 153 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: think Todd Munkin's going anywhere for the record. 154 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, I don't think so. But I just 155 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: think that, like it's it's it's fun and exciting to 156 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: have these two teams who are such in close proximity 157 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: both to be really good and that has that has 158 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: elevated football in this region. And you feel that this 159 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: week is that week. Like you talked, I made the 160 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: joke about tickets off the top, like tickets are hard 161 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: to come by, and there's everybody wants to be of 162 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: this game and for good reason. And part of that, 163 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: of course, is that you have two of the most 164 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: exciting quarterbacks in the NFL to watch in Lamar Jackson 165 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: and Jade Daniels, and that element of this game is 166 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: going to be really fun, really exciting just as a 167 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: fan of football. 168 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, these are two quarterbacks who who have 169 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: a similar play style. Now, they do not want to 170 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: be compared to each other. That is one thing that 171 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: they shared is I am me and me alone, right, 172 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: And Jane Daniels is pretty upfront about that, and Lamar 173 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: Jackson has been that way his entire career. Like, I 174 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: don't want to be compared to anybody else. I'm Lamar, 175 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm Jane Daniels. And they're right, Like is their play style, Like, 176 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: they're both very mobile. They can both beat you with 177 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: their arm. They can both very much beat you with 178 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: their legs. They're college numbers. They put up ridiculous rushing 179 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: stats in college. Like, are there some similarities both Heisman winners? Sure? Exactly. 180 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: Are there some similarities? Yeah, of course in their play style, 181 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: like they're but they're also unique in their own way. 182 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: They're not exactly the same. And you know, Lamar is 183 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: I think a little bit more dynamic with his legs. 184 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: Jane Daniels has shown that he's a great, great touch 185 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: on his deep ball. You know, he can throw that ball. 186 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: He can throw it really well. That that pass and 187 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: do a lot of things. Really well, you know, he's 188 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: still a young quarterback. He's being just as Lamar Jackson 189 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: did as a maturing young quarterback who you know, as 190 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: a passer was growing in his understanding of the game 191 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: and all that. We're seeing a lot of that with 192 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, as we are with Jane Daniels. But gosh, 193 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: both these guys entered the league as super talented quarterbacks 194 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: who are super hard to defend, who had instant success. Yeah, 195 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean when Lamar Jackson became the start 196 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, he immediately turned the Ravens around and 197 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: led them to the playoffs. Jane Daniels has immediately turned 198 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: the Commanders into the NFC East leaders. And so like 199 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: they're just two guys because of their dual threat ability 200 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: that are extremely hard to defend. And so that's where 201 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: I'll stop with the comparisons between the two. 202 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that the what Jayden Daniels brains, 203 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: Like I didn't realize until preparing for this game. Just 204 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 2: like hows dynamic he's been on the ground. I knew 205 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: he was in college, but he's rushed for three hundred 206 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: yards on the ground this year. 207 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson has the most rushing yards for any quarterback 208 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: in the league. Jane Daniels is number two. 209 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so like, I like you for him to 210 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: be able to do that at the NFL level. And 211 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 2: John Harball kind of made the point this week that, 212 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: like they've built it around Jayan Daniels, and that's what 213 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 2: the Ravens did with Lamar Jackson, and Lamar Jackson became 214 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 2: the starter, Like it starts with him. You build the 215 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: system round rather than like, all right, you're gonna play 216 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: our offense, just plug him in and that's gonna be 217 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: how I operate. Now. You build it around the skill 218 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: set that the player has. That's what the Ravens did 219 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: with Lamar. That's what Washington is doing with Jade and Daniels, 220 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: and you're seeing their results. 221 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I. 222 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 2: Think you know, it's one thing that's interesting is like 223 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 2: the Ravens have this great track record of limiting rookie quarterbacks, 224 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 2: Like that's it's been it's been a consistent theme throughout 225 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: their history, especially at Mt BAK Stadium, like it's a 226 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: hard place to play, and that may be that may 227 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 2: be part of the reason that the Ravens were six 228 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: and half point favorus, you know, and it's like. 229 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: Right, well, regular season I think the record, the record 230 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: is twenty two and seven. Yeah, since John Harball became 231 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: the head coach of the Ravens against rookie quarterbacks in 232 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: the regular season. But you know they beat last year 233 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: c J. Stroud twice, got him in the regular season 234 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: in his first start as in the NFL, and then 235 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: they got him in the playoffs again. 236 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: Right it It'll be like does that trend continue? This 237 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: will be his toughest test, I think in some ways 238 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: now the Ravens defense, which we're going to talk about, 239 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: has not been great this year, especially from a passing 240 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: game standpoint. But going into this environment, I think is 241 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: it's just really difficult for a rookie quarterback to step 242 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: into M ANDT Bank Stadium and have success. And that 243 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: will be a real test for. 244 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: Him, oh for sure. I mean the Ravens defense with 245 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: all the different looks, the disguise is I think it's 246 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: a two part kind of thing. It's a and we're 247 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: going to talk about this about the Ravens defensive struggles 248 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: is particularly on pass defense. But like this is this 249 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: is a defensive scheme that everyone around the NFL want 250 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: to copy right because it is really complex. It's it's 251 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: hard for offenses to diagnose pre versus post snap. It's 252 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: a tough defense. So like it's a handful for a 253 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: rookie quarterback who's playing and now his sixth game. Yeah, 254 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: that's tough. Two. There's a mentality aspect. Yeah, and the 255 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: Ravens are gonna come and hit you and your rookie 256 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: quarterback coming in like they want to. It's welcome to 257 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: the NFL moment. You you do, do you remember the 258 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: Roquan Smith miked up against the Houston Texans Week one 259 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: of last year. Yeah, and the kind of treatment that 260 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: he was giving to c J Stroud. CJ, I mean 261 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: c J Stroud talked about in the off season. He's like, oh, yeah, Ravens, Roquan, 262 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: they don't come play. They do not come to play. 263 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: They it's it's different, you know with those guys. And 264 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: like you watch the Mikings and he's it's hostile. Yeah, 265 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: and like they want to welcome and even talking to 266 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: Rokwan Smith this week in the locker room, you know 267 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: he's you know, Roquan chin up, chest out, Yeah, he's 268 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: they haven't seen the defense like ours. He hasn't seen 269 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: defense like ours. You know, Like there's a mentality, an 270 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: aggression that is part of it for a rookie going 271 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: against this Ravens defense. 272 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: And that's been part of the consistent theme throughout the 273 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: Ravens history. So, like, this defense has been great for 274 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: a long time. You've had Terrell Suggs, You've had ray Lewis, 275 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: You've had great players. This streak against rookie quarterbacks sends 276 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: beyond brookwand Smith. But it like that same mentality that 277 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: you're talking about. I think it's broken down well, like 278 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: it's the schematics and the quality of the defense, and 279 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: then it's also this mentality element. And like that has 280 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: been a theme in Baltimore for the last twenty years. 281 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: When you come into M and T Bank Stadium and 282 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: it's rocking. Yeah, you know, just number three just not 283 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: an easy place to play against a good team, and 284 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: it's just a tough assignment for a rookie quarterback. And 285 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: that's why I think that you see the Ravens record 286 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: be so strong against them. It's not that they have 287 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: never lost. In Jade Daniels, he's capable, He's talented enough 288 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: to beat the Ravens and overcome that. Yeah, but it's 289 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: a tall task. I want to back up on one 290 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: thing real quick though, back to just Lamar and Jayden, 291 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: and I think that it's important to note that even 292 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: though the two plays kind of stiff arm the comparisons, 293 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: it is important to note that Lamar Jackson was a 294 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: trailblazer for quarterbacks like Jane Daniels, and specifically Jane Daniels. 295 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: You know, had Lamar not had as much success as 296 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: he's had in the NFL so far in his career 297 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: a player, I think it's doubtful that Jane Daniels would 298 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: have been drafted number two overall with the skill set, 299 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: and he put up ridiculous passing numbers in college. He 300 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: was awesome his final year at LSU, So I think 301 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: the guy would have been picked high regardless. But Lamar Jackson. 302 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: There's also no doubt that Lamar Jackson has changed the 303 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: way that NFL evaluators and people in those draft rooms 304 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: look at quarterbacks like him like that, with that play style. 305 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: And so I think that it's where naive if we 306 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: sit here and think that Lamar hasn't impacted Jayden Daniels 307 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: and his career. 308 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: Also, it's interesting Lamar was asked about that, and he's 309 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: been asked many times over the years, you know, about 310 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: about being a black quarterback and the impact that that 311 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: has on future black quarterbacks and that aspect of like 312 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: his game and impact beyond just. 313 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, not just play well and not just his race, 314 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: but style of play. Like Kenn a quarterback who runs 315 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: a ton in college, and you know, Jane Daniels took 316 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: some shots in college, like you know, was at times 317 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: reckless with his running. Ken a quarterback like that survive 318 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Mar Jackson's proven that not only can 319 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: you survive, but thrive. So I think, yes, race is 320 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: one aspect of it, and it's also play style. 321 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. And and Lamar he is kind of you know, 322 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: he's so focused on like the day to day and 323 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: he was asked like, do you have an understanding of 324 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: your impact? 325 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: And he was like, I guess, like he's just not 326 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: down for that conversation. 327 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: He's just not really interested in that conversation. And it 328 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: comes up, you know, like a couple of times over 329 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: the course of a year, and it has come up 330 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: again this week. But he he's just he's not really 331 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: interested in like having the Lamar Jackson Impact conversation this week. 332 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: He's but it is very apparent that he definitely has 333 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: a lot of respect for Jayde Daniels. He did say 334 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: that Daniels had his Heisman vote last year, and you know, 335 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: he's on social media commented on his play and the 336 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: success that he's had, So he clearly is a fan 337 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: of his. And you know, I think that those are 338 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: like I said off the top, like the watching those 339 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: two guys is going to just be exciting for the 340 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: game of football this weekend. 341 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. So let's talk about 342 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: the Ravens past defense. That's been another obvious, huge talking 343 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: point this week, and I thought it was interesting that 344 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton sent a pretty clear message that this is unacceptable. 345 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: There's no you know, I think there's when you talk 346 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: about the struggles of the past defense. The Ravens are 347 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: ranked thirty first in the NFL, giving up two hundred 348 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: and eighty point two passing yards per game. There is 349 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: legitimacy to the point that they faced some pretty darn 350 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: good quarterbacks and pretty darn good receivers. On the other end, 351 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, you're looking at Pat Mahomes, Dak Prescott, Joe Burrow, 352 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Yeah, those are four of the top quarterbacks 353 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: in the game. 354 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, of course the other's Gardner Manshew who got 355 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: hot and they gave up too many ours to the writers. 356 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: Dvante Adams also took over that game exactly. 357 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: So you're also you've also battled some of the best 358 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: wide receivers in the game. Davante Adams, for she Rice, 359 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: when he was healthy, looked like one of the better 360 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: receivers in the game. Absolutely, Jamar Chase T. Higgins, you know, 361 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: like you face some of the best CD LAMB see 362 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: exact CD LAMB precisely, and so h that is like 363 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: you shouldn't just we shouldn't just throw that out. I 364 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: think at the start of the season, before it even began, 365 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,479 Speaker 1: we were like, man, this first these first five games, 366 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: it's gonna be gruel, and you're getting some of the 367 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: top competition in the league. Right, Ye, played like the 368 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: stars that they are now. It's also fair to say 369 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: the Ravens have stars in their secondary, really good players. 370 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: Like we came into it saying this could be the 371 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: best secondary in league, the best secondary, and Ravens history, well, 372 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: it hasn't played out like that, and those guys have 373 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: just lost battles. And so Kyle Hamilton was pretty darn 374 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: clear this week that, like, it's unacceptable. We got to 375 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: start winning more of those battles. He's said, I'm tired 376 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: of coming up here and talking about what we're going 377 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: to change and how we're going to get better. We 378 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: need to go do it. Yeah, like tired of talking 379 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: about it. And so this is a week. I think 380 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: this is one of those prove it weeks, and I 381 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: think that the Bills game was one of those for them, 382 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, after they got shredded in the fourth quarter 383 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: by Dallas Dallas's passing attack. That was very much the 384 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: tenor of that week was it's a prove it week. 385 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: And then you know, you felt great about how they 386 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: played against the Bills, and then well, you know, you 387 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: just had a stinker against the Bengals. It's another proven 388 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: week for this secondary going against the Washington Commanders passing 389 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: attack that can can certainly beat you. 390 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: The Commanders, we spent all the time talking about Jane 391 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 2: Daniels had the top ranked offense in the league in 392 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: terms of points per game. They're averaging thirty one points 393 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: per game, their fourth and overall yards per game. So like, yeah, 394 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: that's a you're going up against the great offense. Points 395 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: is the name of the game, to the best in 396 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: the league at that. 397 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: Right now, their passing offense has not been. Yes, their 398 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: strength ranks fourteenth in the league, the middle of the pack, 399 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: two hundred and fourteen yards a game. Their rushing offense 400 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: has been really the bread and butter and this is 401 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: you know, the Jane Daniels effect to a degree, you know, 402 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: it certainly boosts that, just like Lamar Jackson boosts the 403 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: Ravens rushing attack. So they are number two behind the Ravens. Now, 404 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: it's a pretty wide margin. Ravens have averaged two hundred 405 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: eleven yards per game. The Commanders are at one seventy eight. 406 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: Pretty wide. But like that's been there, bread and butter 407 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: has been running the ball. But again they've hit big 408 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: plays in the passing game, and that we saw that 409 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: too much against the Bengals. The Ravens have to not 410 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: let that Terry mcle and Jane Daniels beat him over 411 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: the top. 412 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: Well, Coyle Hamilton during his press conference, he to me 413 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 2: it was a clear he wanted to make a point 414 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: with his mindset and the focus that the Ravens defense 415 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: needs to take, no matter what the question was like 416 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 2: at one point, he just kept coming back to the 417 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: need for the defense to play better. At one point, 418 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: the question was how great was that passed from Lamar 419 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: Jackson to isaiahlak That was pretty sweet, huh, And he 420 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, well, I'm kind of numb to that. 421 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: But the truth is he never should have been in 422 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: that position because we didn't do our job and we 423 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 2: didn't hold up bar into the bargain. So he had 424 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: to go out there and put on a Superman cape 425 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: and make great plays like that, but we don't want 426 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: to put him in that position. And so again, everything 427 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: just kept coming back to that element and how the 428 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 2: Ravens need to play better as a secondary and as 429 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 2: a defense. And so I thought he thought he was 430 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: really strong, and I even asked him that. I was like, 431 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 2: you're being pretty brutally honest here, like what's the kind 432 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: of the thought process? And he's like, sometimes you need 433 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: to have one conversations about your play and what you 434 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 2: need to do to improve. And he also did make 435 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: the point that it's not like a foundational issue that 436 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: they have. I think that there really is a belief 437 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 2: this team. Like they have the players, they have the scheme. 438 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 2: It's more fundamental things and consistency that they need to 439 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 2: improve on. 440 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I still, despite the struggles, think that that this 441 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: is going to get righted and by mid season, you know, 442 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: later in the season, we're going to be talking about 443 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: how the Ravens defense turned things around and all that. Like, 444 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: I think that's going to be the conversation. I think 445 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: part of that's going to be when you're not facing 446 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: homes Josh Allen. You know, these quarterbacks and wide receiver 447 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: combos that are really filthy. It continues this week with 448 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: Jade Daniels and Terry McLaurin. But like, eventually, I think 449 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: it's going to balance itself out a little bit here 450 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: looking ahead, and I just think that the Ravens defense 451 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: is going to improve. And on that note, you know 452 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: they talk about looking in the mirror and whatnot. The 453 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: Ravens took action this week. Dean Pas has been brought 454 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: in as a senior analyst to help out Zach Orr 455 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: in this defense, and it's a reunion with the Ravens 456 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: formal defensive coordinator who helped you know, lead this team 457 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl victory in twenty twelve and was 458 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: here for a long time. So, Garrett, what was your 459 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: were you surprised by the movie, what was your what's 460 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: your take on on bringing in Dean? 461 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I was surprised just because it's not 462 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: like this has been rumors, so. 463 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: Just kind of yeah, from our it's a pretty rare move. 464 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so Zach said, you know him and Dean. 465 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: Dean was his defensive coordinator. So Dean was even John 466 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: Harbaugh's coach back in college. So like his connection to 467 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 2: this franchise and especially John and Zach is really strong. 468 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: And Zach said, like he's been in contact with Dean 469 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: consistently and they've maintained that relationship, which you know, I 470 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: have no idea, you know, I don't know. They didn't 471 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: know they had maintained touch and had those conversations. After 472 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: Dean left here, he then went to Tennessee. It was 473 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 2: a defensive coordinator there. Then he went to Atlanta, was 474 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator there, and so he's he had like two 475 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: additional stops have to be in the DC here and 476 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: he was not coaching last ye Yeah, he was out 477 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 2: of football last year. And so I mean, Dean has 478 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: been a coach in the NFL for a long long time. 479 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,239 Speaker 2: He knows defensive football incredibly well help his team win 480 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: a super Bowl. And so if Zach feels like having 481 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 2: him hear it has another set of eyes to look 482 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: over things and to provide some guidance in perspective, then 483 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 2: then like that's great, and the players like going back 484 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 2: to Kyle Hamilton, like he said, like this is a 485 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 2: sign that we're turning over every stone and that like 486 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: Zach's not too proud to look in the mirror and 487 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: say like here, you know, here's someone who could help me, 488 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: help us get better. And that's the approach of the 489 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 2: Ravens are taking it. 490 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a really key point about Zach is like, 491 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes the optics of bringing in help for 492 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: a coordinator can be seen as like, oh man, that's 493 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: not a good sign, you're right, But like credit to Zach, 494 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: Like he doesn't care about the optics, you know, Like 495 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: it's about getting better, and if he thinks and hard think, 496 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: think that this can get them better, then they're going 497 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: to do it. It'ship. Credit yeah, credit to them. You know. 498 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: I think that that deserves pointing out. 499 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 2: I think that part of it is the relationship that 500 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: they have that exists between them, and so like it 501 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: goes back to when they're when the roles were flipped 502 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: to some extent when when Dean was the DC and 503 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: Zach was a player. But they've maintained that, and so 504 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: I think that like the knowledge of the team, the organization, 505 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 2: the system, the people, all of that was was significant. 506 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: You're not just bringing in you're bringing in an outsider, 507 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: but not really if it's an insider outsider, yeah, like 508 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: it's not somebody like we actually got a question in 509 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 2: the inbox is always you can emails to the lunch 510 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: at Ravens on NFL dot Net that came in earlier 511 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 2: this week, like could the Ravens bring in Robert Sala 512 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: after he just got fired by the Jets? Robert Sala 513 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: great background as a defensive coordinator. Well, the reports are 514 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: all that Robert Sala doesn't isn't going to go coach 515 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: anywhere else or be part of any other team this year. 516 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: But that would be a total outsider. Now you're coming 517 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: Dean is not system, different system, different approach, Like doesn't 518 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: have the relationships. This is not that this is bringing 519 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: somebody who know very well to come in and help 520 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 2: you out. And and so it'll you know, it'll be 521 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: interesting to see the impact that it has. 522 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, all right. Last news item of the week 523 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: that I want to talk about is the Ravens are 524 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: reportedly out on Davante Adams, who we discussed last week 525 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: on this very podcast. And you know, I think that 526 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: Ravens fans certainly when he tweeted the whole eggroll and 527 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: Poe you know image and the quote, you know, there 528 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: was a lot there were a lot of people who 529 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: are like, oh, here we go. DeVante Adams is coming 530 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: to Baltimore, right, and like whenever there's a player that 531 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: good that's rumored to come, it's intriguing. 532 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: Mm. 533 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: Well, the Ravens just went out and put out put 534 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: up thirty one points. The receivers balled out flout. Zay 535 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: Bateman made some really great plays, including scoring a touchdown. 536 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: Our guy, Arlie Kohler, friend of a lounge like emerged 537 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: you know as another weapons. It's funny, you know, like 538 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: we're having the conversation of like the Ravens have too 539 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: many weapons because guys like Mark and Isaiah and some 540 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: of these guys aren't getting enough targets, and then we're 541 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: talking about bringing in another guy, right, and like that 542 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: would make it even more challenging. So, like, you know, 543 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: when you're coming off a thirty one point game in 544 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: which your receiver's balled out, I don't think there's the 545 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: urgency to go out there and make of what would 546 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: be a very aggressive moves from a compensation standpoint, both 547 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: which the draft pick capital that you have to give up, 548 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: plus the salary cap maneuvering that you have to do. 549 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: Most likely, I don't think that like the Ravens sitting 550 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: here with the number one offense, you know, in the 551 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: league in yardage, are feeling like they're that breasted. So 552 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: we don't we don't know, we don't know to what 553 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: degree at all that the Ravens even had interest, you know, 554 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: but I think that that performance in Cincinnati, if it 555 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: had any influence, it certainly was like, you know what, 556 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: our offense pretty darn good. 557 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you say the Ravens are out of the 558 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: report is from Diana Rossini from The Athletic and yeah, 559 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: who have said that the Ravens are not Peter Schrager 560 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: said the same thing a Good Morning Football that the 561 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: Ravens aren't in the mix, so that the Ravens are 562 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: not in the market. Just a source where that came from. 563 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's the Adams thing. Is interesting 564 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: because there's been like three different times where it seems 565 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: like a move is about to be about to happen, 566 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: it's going to be imminent, and then it doesn't happen, 567 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 2: and so the thing is lingered now for longer than 568 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 2: I expected it to. 569 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be what forty eight hours or something. 570 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, oh, it's gonna hate It's gonna 571 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: happen at the beginning of the week. Oh, it's gonna happen, 572 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 2: you know, maybe on Tuesday, And now it's people are 573 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: saying I actually might extend to next week and in 574 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: the market's cool. 575 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: So like it's like Davonte Adams sweeter right, believe half 576 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: of what you hear, and yeah, what about what you 577 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: hear in half of what you see? Something like that. 578 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that like there's knowing what is truly 579 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: going on when you're talking about trade conversations with a 580 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 2: market player like that. I just I don't know if 581 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: I believe anything. I just don't know if I believe anything, 582 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 2: because teams are incentivized to keep their you know, desires 583 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: to themselves. 584 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: They're not broadcasting what their offers are and their interest 585 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: level is right, and others. 586 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: Are are incentive eyed to like over sell what the 587 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 2: interest could be. So right, there's a lot of people 588 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: who have different things that are at play. I just 589 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: never know what to believe. So I just believe nothing. 590 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: Until so as you're saying, is if he once he's 591 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: somewhere else, you'll give your Takeah, we're here. 592 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I believe nothing until he ends up somewhere else. 593 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: All right, Well DeVante Adams, wo'd sign off on that perspective. Yeah, 594 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: So all right, when we come back, we're going to 595 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: break down what we expect to see in this Ravens 596 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: Commander's game and how the Ravens can win this one. 597 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: You're listening to the last podcast We're coming to you 598 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: from the Sea Keek Studio. We want to mention our 599 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 2: friends at Draft Kings Sportsbook. They are an official sports 600 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft Kings Sportsbook. The 601 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: Crown is Yours. So a lot of conversation about Jade Daniels. 602 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: From a schematic standpoint, what do you see as the 603 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: key to defending him? 604 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: Well, I think a the Ravens have and the Commanders 605 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: to a degree, you know, the fact that they have 606 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: to defend Lamar Jackson in practice throughout training camp and whatnot, 607 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: certainly helps them with the the rules and principles of 608 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: going up against the quarterback, a dual threat quarterback like that, right, Like, 609 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: I think that that definitely, And Brandon Stephens said this 610 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: when I asked him question, that, yeah, like it helps us, 611 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, and just like going against Jayde Daniels helps 612 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: the Commanders with Lamar Jackson, and so there is certainly 613 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: an element of that. I think the Ravens secondary has 614 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: had too many bus to coverages deep. They cannot do 615 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: that because Jade Daniels will not miss, He will hit that, 616 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: and so I think forcing him to take some of 617 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: that underneath stuff. And he's done a good job of that. 618 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: He's been super efficient. I mean, he leads the NFL 619 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: in completion percentage as a rookie. Right. So it's also 620 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: not easy because you can say, all right, we need 621 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: to take away the big play, two high safeties, all 622 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: that stuff, but like he's been he's marched down the field, 623 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: he's been efficient and hit those passes at a high rate. 624 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: So it's a tough task, you know. I think that 625 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: certainly you want to get him to make mistakes. He's 626 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: been very protective of the football. Had a goal line 627 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: interception this past week that was kind of like one 628 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: of his first like oh yeah, he's a rookie kind 629 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: of moments, and you know, certainly, I think getting him 630 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: to pause, not nowhere to go with the ball, all 631 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: that kind of pre snap post snap disguising is going 632 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: to be really important this week. 633 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: I think eliminate the big play and try to make 634 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 2: life really hard on him with the line of scrimmage, 635 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: with the confusing and the crowd noise. Like those two 636 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: things are hand in hand with the different looks, so 637 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: you can give him as a defense and then that 638 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: when you had when you add the crowd noise element 639 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: to it, it just makes them more difficult. So I think 640 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: that like that, that's what I see as the key. 641 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 2: You can't let him like throw these bombs to Terry 642 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 2: McLaurin and have these cops or you can't let it 643 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,959 Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin take a screen past seventy yards for touchdown 644 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 2: like Jamar Chase Sad last Yame like those are things 645 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: from a secondary standpoint, they just cannot happen. 646 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: I think it's also similar to the way you know, 647 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: defense as approach to the Ravens is about trying to put 648 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: them in third and long situations, and that's that's the 649 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: key really to any defense. But I think particularly when 650 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: you're looking at an offense that's number two in the 651 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: league and rushing, they've done a really good job of 652 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: putting Jade Daniels in favorable situations where he doesn't have 653 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: to necessarily it's not a three to five step drop 654 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: and all right, I'm going to complete this twelve yard 655 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: pass down the field and you know it's going to 656 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: be really tight window throws, right, And not that he 657 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: can't do that, but you want to make him do 658 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: that in this environment as much as possible. And when 659 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: they're when he's facing third and four, okay, his legs 660 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: are very much in the equation to pick up that 661 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: first down. So the more that you can keep him 662 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,239 Speaker 1: out of situation where it's run pass situations and you 663 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: force him we know he's gonna throw I think the 664 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: better off for this Ravens defense. Certainly so. Baltimore's run 665 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: defense has been awesome so far. Yeah, tops in the league, 666 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 1: allowing only sixty point four rushing yards per game. If 667 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: they can shut down the Commander's rushing attack and Brian 668 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: Robinson and Austin Eckler and obviously Jane Daniels and put 669 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: them in some of those tougher situations, it's going to 670 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: make life a lot harder for Jane Daniels. 671 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I mean I think that is where 672 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 2: it starts. I think it's like how do you defend 673 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: the pass? Well, we talked about that, but I think 674 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: that like starting with limiting the rushing attack, then that's 675 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,719 Speaker 2: just gonna make the passing game so much suffer. As 676 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: a side note, like I know a lot of players 677 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: did say that the going up against Lamar and training camp, 678 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: like there's that that helps. I don't know how much, 679 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: Like I really, I kind. 680 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: Of think there's there's It's not so much like the player, right, 681 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: like when you're on the when you go against Lamar Jackson, 682 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: his speed and his ability to break your angle is different. Right, 683 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: the principles of playing an RPO offense. It's the rules. 684 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: It's like knowing where your eyes should be, knowing how 685 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: to react. Those are the things that I'm talking about. 686 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like obviously you're not getting anywhere close to 687 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 2: hitting the quarterback and these in practices, so it's like 688 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: a little different for you if you just get closer 689 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: to Yeah, yeah, would have tackled him. I would have 690 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: tackled him on that. But at that guys are always 691 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: raising their hand. Yeah, that's a tackle. Let's talk for 692 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 2: loss right there. In reality, Lamar as we've seen him 693 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 2: do to every team in the league that he turns 694 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: that you know, perceived sack into a you know, dynamic play, 695 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 2: and Jane Daniels can do the same thing. So yeah, anyway, 696 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 2: just a little side note, you know, I think I 697 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: think for the Ravens offense, just to flip it over 698 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: to the other side of the ball. We've been talking 699 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 2: pick your poison, Pick your poison. That's like the theme 700 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: of like discussing this Ravens offense, and last week it 701 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: was it was kind of a it was everyone just 702 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 2: kind of poisonous in that game, to be honest. But 703 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 2: when it was all said and done, but you had 704 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 2: different guys step up, like our good friends Charlie Kohler 705 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: or Rashaw Bateman, so you had different guys step up. 706 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 2: I think that this game and looking at where the 707 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 2: Commanders are susceptible, which is against the run. They ranked 708 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 2: twenty second in the league as a run defense, allowing 709 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty yards a game. It's kind of 710 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: the bread and butter. I think it's I think it's 711 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 2: Derek Henry. He's the poison. 712 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: You think you pound, pound the rock, pound the rock. 713 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: Keep Jay Daniels up there watching the game like that's 714 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 2: the old best best defense is a good offense can 715 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 2: chew up the clock, make things difficult so that when 716 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 2: they get the ball in their hands that you limit 717 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 2: their possessions. I think that like that that could be 718 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 2: the avenue for this game, especially considering the Commanders have 719 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 2: been susceptible against the run. Yeah. 720 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting when you look at the Commander's 721 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: roster on paper, it seems like their defense would be 722 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: stronger upfront. I mean their defensive tackle combination of Deron 723 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 1: Payne and Jonathan Allen, that's that's one of the best 724 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,919 Speaker 1: in the league. Those are two really good, two really 725 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: good defensive tackles. Then you have a veteran, you know, 726 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: middle linebacker and Bobby Wagner, who certainly knows how to 727 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: play the game. Frankie Levue another out, you know, outside linebacker. 728 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: They play a four to three for frank Levou has 729 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: been really good. So when I look at it kind 730 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: of on paper, I feel like, all right, the secondary 731 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: might be where I would target. But you're right that 732 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: their rush defense has been more of the issue than 733 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 1: their pass defense. Their thirteenth in the league in past defense, 734 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: twenty second against the run. I mean, the fact is 735 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: their defense has kind of been middle of the road, 736 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: I mean, if not below. Their twentieth in the league 737 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: in points per game twenty three points allowed per game. 738 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: The Bengals, you know that they either team neither team 739 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: barely punted when they face the Bengals. It was a shootout, 740 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: and so coming off a shootout in Cincinnati, it leads 741 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: me to think, and when you have the number one 742 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: and number two offenses in the league and defenses that 743 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: have kind of struggled, is this going to be another shootout? 744 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 2: I think it's potential for that. I think that I 745 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 2: think that the Ravens defense is really focused on en 746 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 2: or and that's not the case that basically, like going 747 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 2: back to your point of this is a pride game 748 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 2: and this is a prove it game and that type 749 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 2: of stuff, Like, I think that this defense is really 750 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 2: focused on preventing that. I do think that the shootout 751 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 2: potential could affect some decision making early in the game 752 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 2: when it comes to like punting or going four on 753 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 2: fourth down. You think the rest of potential, I think 754 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 2: it could be a more aggressive game on both sides. 755 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could see that, Yeah, I could see that. 756 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: I think I think that the way that this game 757 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: starts is going to be really critical. Jane Daniels has 758 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: had and the Commanders have had a lot of success 759 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: early in these games, and so first drive for the 760 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: Ravens defense versus their offense, I think is going to 761 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: be a ton setter. 762 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 2: Well, it kind of was last game. I mean, the 763 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 2: Ravens had a for first drive was a thing of 764 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 2: beauty and then and then all of a sudden it 765 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 2: slipped away. 766 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think against Joe Burrow it's a little 767 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: bit different than it is a rookie quarterback in Jane Daniels. 768 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: If you get look if Ravens can jump out early, 769 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 2: and then they can they can force some incompletions or 770 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 2: bath throws from Daniels and the crowds Rocky hit and 771 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 2: you feel the pressure you hit him. All that stuff 772 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 2: is working in your favor. Then I think it could 773 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 2: be it could be a big day for the raveis. 774 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: Right, it could. It could snowball a little bit. So 775 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: I like that. 776 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 2: Let's do that. 777 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that game plan. Can we just get back, 778 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: Let's hit him early, Let's get a big lead, and 779 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: let's snowball. Let's turn it in. Yes, signed, sealed, delivered. 780 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 2: I think if we do that, then it's gonna be 781 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 2: what is it gonna be? 782 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: It's gonna be the belt Way Tighten the belts, buddy, 783 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: it's the Beltway batt all right. I know you know us, Charlie, Cooler, 784 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: fat white guys as we talked about this, Tighten the 785 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: belt okay, because it's no belt Way battle with the 786 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: big win