Speaker 1: My Homes throws juggling to catch for a touchdown. Mccaule,
Speaker 1: Hartman had it, lost it, had it broke a tackle
Speaker 1: and took it in and the rookie has his third
Speaker 1: touchdown of the season on a twenty one yard touchdown
Speaker 1: pass from Patrick Mahomes. Fourth down one now Mahomes and
Speaker 1: that makes him nine for ten in that category. On
Speaker 1: third and fourth and one, picking up the first down
Speaker 1: and it sets up first in goal and well, that's
Speaker 1: what that's what I was talking about. He's at the
Speaker 1: bottom of that pile and there's just a lot of bodies,
Speaker 1: a lot of people falling on top of you. And
Speaker 1: you know, I can tell you a lot happens at
Speaker 1: the bottom of that you know, a lot of pain.
Speaker 1: And it's like they almost popped that right knee back
Speaker 1: and play second down of nine here for the Broncos,
Speaker 1: down by seven. Pull his out there for the Chiefs
Speaker 1: and Raglan takes it in for the touchdown. Knocked out
Speaker 1: by Hitchens and without Patrick Mahomes. The Chiefs defenses let
Speaker 1: us take it into the end zone. More steps up,
Speaker 1: floats and hill behind the defense. He is gone for
Speaker 1: the touchdown. No flers, we got another map more moment.
Speaker 1: Was not expecting that this Thursday night, the Kansas City
Speaker 1: Chiefs win thirty to six in Denver. On a bummer
Speaker 1: of a night, frankly, because we only got to watch
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes of Patrick Mahomes before he left with
Speaker 1: a knee injury, and we had to watch all sixty
Speaker 1: minutes of Joe Flacco unfortunately. Um, Greg Rosenthal, Um with
Speaker 1: Chris Wrestline. We are in the as you know, we
Speaker 1: need a title. What is the name of this house again?
Speaker 1: It changes every time. I think it was like west
Speaker 1: Sylvania last time, west West Westsylvania. For now, well, we'll
Speaker 1: come up with a better name. Thirty to six, Chiefs win,
Speaker 1: go to five and two. But of course the big
Speaker 1: news is Patrick Mahomes leaving after appearing to dislocate his knee.
Speaker 1: According to James Palmer of NFL Network, he was standing
Speaker 1: and broke down the team after the game in the
Speaker 1: locker room, which feels like a good sign. Chris, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that was a good sign. You know, we live
Speaker 1: in this age where there are dozens of Twitter doctors,
Speaker 1: so we got live updates from all of the people
Speaker 1: who are experts, and it seemed like at first it
Speaker 1: might be a very long term injury. And by the
Speaker 1: end of the game, Yeah, I think there's hope that
Speaker 1: maybe in a couple of weeks or a few weeks
Speaker 1: he could be back on the field. Yeah, James comer again,
Speaker 1: I will mention, says. I'm told there's optimism within the
Speaker 1: Chiefs on the knee. But he will have an m
Speaker 1: r I on Friday. The mood is positive again. The
Speaker 1: m r I will tell us if it's ligament damage,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I guess my first takeaway here is just
Speaker 1: that it was a big win for the Chiefs. It
Speaker 1: was it was a game we thought that, you know,
Speaker 1: the division could look totally different if the Broncos win
Speaker 1: this game. When Mahomes gets hurt, they're about to kick
Speaker 1: a field goal to go up thirteen to six. The
Speaker 1: final score was thirty to six, so they won the
Speaker 1: game seventeen to nothing from the point Matt Moore took over,
Speaker 1: which is a disaster for the Denver Broncos at home,
Speaker 1: but also a great night for the Chiefs defense just
Speaker 1: kind of get right and uh a good kind of
Speaker 1: team coaching job that they did find when more came
Speaker 1: out in the field. Yeah, after seeing the Broncos special
Speaker 1: teams and offense. It's hounds funny to say it was
Speaker 1: a big win for the Chiefs, but the last two
Speaker 1: weeks the Broncos were playing better than the Chiefs. So
Speaker 1: I do think it's a big win, especially when you
Speaker 1: look at the chief schedule. They have Packers and Vikings
Speaker 1: the next two weeks, which could be with Matt Moore.
Speaker 1: So it was a big win, right, you got a
Speaker 1: manage the schedule. Now the Chiefs, we'll see because by
Speaker 1: the time everyone listens to this, who knows, maybe there'll
Speaker 1: be a more definite timeline when it comes to the homes.
Speaker 1: But if if it's an injury where he is coming back,
Speaker 1: they've stacked up enough winds. Now at five and two,
Speaker 1: they're in a division that's not great that you would
Speaker 1: think they'll be able to survive even a few losses
Speaker 1: if that happens with More and and from what we
Speaker 1: saw tonight, hey, you never know. I love Matt More
Speaker 1: going way back to the knees when the Carolina Panthers
Speaker 1: stole them off the Dallas Cowboys practice squad, or they
Speaker 1: tried to sneak him through waivers to back up Tony Romo,
Speaker 1: he had some days with the Panthers. Of course, he
Speaker 1: made it to the playoffs a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: with the Dolphins. Had a nice throw to Tyrequel. Didn't
Speaker 1: really do much in this game, um, but he was
Speaker 1: probably the best, you know, the second best quarterback on
Speaker 1: the field. I would I would go Power rankings Mahomes. Um.
Speaker 1: Actually I would go Power rankings Number one Mahomes two
Speaker 1: more three the punter for Denver who actually never even
Speaker 1: threw the past, but he did run an r P O.
Speaker 1: Who was that? Uh? And then uh? And then number four,
Speaker 1: your boy, Joe Flacco. I think it's it's time west
Speaker 1: rough game for for Joe started out pretty good and
Speaker 1: then right around the time of mahomes injury, the offense
Speaker 1: went in the tank. Look like Flacco was spooked by Uh,
Speaker 1: Elijah Wilkinson being beat repeatedly at right tackle and and
Speaker 1: Garrett Bowls holding penalties Noah Fans drops. But enough of that. Um.
Speaker 1: We were in London for the live show and Dan
Speaker 1: created a skit called the Interrogation Room where he put
Speaker 1: us all you know, under a bright light and had
Speaker 1: us defend one of our opinions and and the only
Speaker 1: thing that scared me to death was that he would
Speaker 1: make me defend Joe Flacco. I could handle anything else,
Speaker 1: but but I knew I think you were convinced. In
Speaker 1: the pit of my heart, I had written down in
Speaker 1: the season opener, if the Boys let me off of
Speaker 1: my Joe Flacco stance, I'll happily take it because I
Speaker 1: don't want to defend this all year and it's time
Speaker 1: for me to um to unleash some apologies. I took
Speaker 1: truth seer him at halftime, and here's what came out.
Speaker 1: Flacco is a Goldilocks QB. Just like Eli Manning. Everything
Speaker 1: has to be just right in order for it to work.
Speaker 1: Not only was I wrong, I was loud wrong. Sometimes
Speaker 1: the people who only watched nationally televised games can see
Speaker 1: things with more clarity. Sometimes less is more when it
Speaker 1: comes to bad football. Flacco had been an average quarterback
Speaker 1: in most games, but it doesn't matter because no team
Speaker 1: starting no offense. Garrett bowls in. Elijah Wilkinson is good
Speaker 1: enough to win with a statue like Joe Flacco in
Speaker 1: the pocket. And I have to beg forgiveness to um you,
Speaker 1: Dan Mark and Erica who has to sit in and
Speaker 1: listen to me defend Joe Flacco. She doesn't listen. She
Speaker 1: just kind of tunes out Greg for shooting down Greg
Speaker 1: for shooting down your Broncos trade ideas on Wednesday, acting
Speaker 1: like they still had a chance to get back in
Speaker 1: some wild card race. Dan asking for why I excuse
Speaker 1: Flacco but knock Eliot at the same time, which was
Speaker 1: a totally fair, uh statement, Mark for his contempt of
Speaker 1: Flacco as a stone pony, which is a stute analysis
Speaker 1: on Mark's part. You were all right, you were patient,
Speaker 1: and you were fair. I was wrong and a jackass.
Speaker 1: Accept any punishment deemed appropriate by the group and the listeners. Wow,
Speaker 1: this contrite, you know, genuine sentimental almost west is is
Speaker 1: a new is a new well. It's disgusted. Its disgusted
Speaker 1: as trick men surely was by this performance. It was
Speaker 1: just horrendous. It was I couldn't stomach it for the
Speaker 1: last I guess the last two quarters got real quiet
Speaker 1: and west manor we just you know, in the last
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, there wasn't much left to say. It was
Speaker 1: like watching a funeral. Well, you know, the first quarter
Speaker 1: looked like the Broncos in most of their games. It
Speaker 1: looked decent, non nice drive, one ugly drive, Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: making some some really nice passes and no offense dropping
Speaker 1: all of them. Uh, Courtland Sutton looking good that you know,
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton has been a really good player this year.
Speaker 1: In Philip lindsay most of the time. I know, at
Speaker 1: one point you said, Royce Freeman isn't even trying to
Speaker 1: make anyone miss out there. He's not even trying. It
Speaker 1: looks like he tried to get tackled. There are some
Speaker 1: bad I wouldn't say Royce Freeman is a bad now
Speaker 1: he's on this particular play he ran into a tackle.
Speaker 1: There are some guys on on this offense who aren't
Speaker 1: doing much to help the quarterback. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: the quarterback is doing nothing really to help the rest
Speaker 1: of the guys on the office. Even in you all
Speaker 1: that um, you know explanation, and I accept your apology.
Speaker 1: West I even before you said anything, I was gonna
Speaker 1: just decide to let you off the coaster. I guess
Speaker 1: Dan and Mark and in theory have to you know,
Speaker 1: personally do that too. But I think it's time. Um.
Speaker 1: This tonight was your punishment. Tonight was your punishment for
Speaker 1: being on the coast here because the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks where they got a couple of wins sucked you
Speaker 1: and and some of the Broncos fans back in that
Speaker 1: maybe they could do this because the defense is getting better.
Speaker 1: Defense played fine tonight. Defense well was not the problem.
Speaker 1: Special teams put him in a huge hole early and
Speaker 1: then the strip sack of Flacco, which you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that one was even his fault. Anthony
Speaker 1: Hitchins looked like kind of unblocked. He's got He's got
Speaker 1: to learn to put the ball away a little better.
Speaker 1: He fumbled a few times. That was where Yeah, a
Speaker 1: couple of free blitzers came through. Lindsey picked up one.
Speaker 1: Flacco had to be aware at least of the other.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was eating up those sacks. He was
Speaker 1: you know, Mario, does you know bench now? And Flaco though,
Speaker 1: I need to pick up the slack. I need to
Speaker 1: get sacked as much as possible. There was eight of
Speaker 1: them tonight. That was a record for Flacco. They don't
Speaker 1: have anyone to go to because Drew lock Is he's
Speaker 1: still on I R and and didn't look great and
Speaker 1: he could be back soon. Yeah, he he could be back.
Speaker 1: But this this was a fork in the road game,
Speaker 1: I said, going into it for the Broncos, uh, and
Speaker 1: it gave a very clear direction of where John Elway
Speaker 1: could go. There's three guys on this team, um that
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl in the season that I think
Speaker 1: have a strong chance to not be on the team
Speaker 1: in two weeks. That's Chris Harris, who I really think
Speaker 1: could have some value, and then Derek Wolf and Emmanuel
Speaker 1: Sanders who both could have value as well. And all
Speaker 1: three of them, maybe they don't get all get traded.
Speaker 1: We'll see what other teams want. But Ian Rappaport put
Speaker 1: a report out a couple of weeks ago saying basically
Speaker 1: Elway would listen to anyone any trade offers except for
Speaker 1: von Miller. All three of those guys are in the
Speaker 1: final year of their contract, and I think they could
Speaker 1: help a team. And to me, when Ian made that
Speaker 1: report and checked, I checked out who maybe he was
Speaker 1: talking about. You know, it's pretty clear to see those
Speaker 1: are those are veterans in their thirties on the final
Speaker 1: you're their contract. This this made a very clear direction
Speaker 1: of which way they'll go. The Chiefs, you know, will
Speaker 1: will go toward the playoffs. But if you're the Raiders
Speaker 1: or maybe even the Chargers, you look at the Mahomes
Speaker 1: injury and you think, you know, maybe maybe there'll be
Speaker 1: some daylight in this division. It's just it's just not
Speaker 1: going to be for Denver this year. Sorry, well, I
Speaker 1: I can see that finally. Um, but if you're the
Speaker 1: Saints and Patriots, you have to love this outcome. The
Speaker 1: Patriots not only because the sandtrick Mahomes gets hurt. Both
Speaker 1: of them are in the market for a wide receiver
Speaker 1: and Emmanuel Sanders could be. Yeah, it's an ugly way
Speaker 1: for tonight to end. I mean they boo the home
Speaker 1: crowd booed that Broncos team off the field a number
Speaker 1: of times tonight, including at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: And uh, I always think that if a team and
Speaker 1: a fan base has seen some championships, I think they're
Speaker 1: harder on their team, uh than than other, you know, organizations,
Speaker 1: because they've seen what winning looks like and they're angrier
Speaker 1: about it. And I know my uncle Dave, uh send
Speaker 1: an angry text my cousin just they know what good
Speaker 1: football looks like and this, Yeah, oh they're great. They
Speaker 1: at the end of the game and kept doing Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean if ever an offense and special teams needed
Speaker 1: doing well. I mean the crazy part is and we
Speaker 1: don't need to spend a million minutes on this game.
Speaker 1: But they made the Chiefs look like the eighty five Bears.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs could not get a stop the last month.
Speaker 1: You DeShawn Watson dropped back forty three times. Wasn't sacked
Speaker 1: last week, it was five days ago. It was only
Speaker 1: hit twice. They sacked you know, Flacco eight times. As
Speaker 1: I mentioned, Frank Clark has had a disastrous season as
Speaker 1: a pass thresor. Had a great night. Emanuel Aga, Who's
Speaker 1: who's been a good signing overall? You know for the money,
Speaker 1: I had a great night. Garrett Bowls needs to be benched,
Speaker 1: you know, Elijah. It's easy to say, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people are saying that, but they've already have their
Speaker 1: third tackle starting at right tackle. They have got one
Speaker 1: easy to easy. At certain point, you have to have
Speaker 1: a standard and if your guy is playing that poorly
Speaker 1: year after year and having a holding, the guy playing
Speaker 1: right tackle is getting beat as much as any right
Speaker 1: tackle in football, and he's better than the guy on
Speaker 1: the bench. That's what you're assuming that they that they're
Speaker 1: not protecting a draft pick that was a John Elieman.
Speaker 1: I'm saying the guy playing the right tackle would would
Speaker 1: be the replacement, and he's already getting beat worse than
Speaker 1: the guy you want benched. It was. It was amazing
Speaker 1: to see. I don't necessarily think the Chiefs have turned
Speaker 1: it all around defensively because of this game. Well well
Speaker 1: put it. I mean, I know everyone loves to have
Speaker 1: their fun with Flacco, but he doesn't get set nine
Speaker 1: or ten times every game. You you do have to
Speaker 1: credit the Chiefs. Sure way to good Chiefs. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you showed up. It was a kind of game
Speaker 1: they need get to have. Uh, the fact that they
Speaker 1: did it. Like I said, when Mahomes went ten for eleven,
Speaker 1: didn't look overly mobile. Um was about to lead his team,
Speaker 1: you know, two more points. He had one good touchdown
Speaker 1: drive that the Broncos did a good job, you know,
Speaker 1: holding him out of the end zone on a short
Speaker 1: field once and then he got hurt. But the play
Speaker 1: call on on fourth and one. Maybe you come a
Speaker 1: discussion at some point. It's tricky. I hate killing Andy
Speaker 1: Reid for that. After the fact, you figure your quarterbacks
Speaker 1: out there. You should be able to call a fourth
Speaker 1: and you know, short sneak. But it's a tough moment
Speaker 1: when you when you do call it, he's already injured
Speaker 1: and you suffer a serious injury. Yeah, we have no
Speaker 1: idea if that play was any relation to the ankle
Speaker 1: injury whatsoever, might not have. But if I'm a Chiefs fan,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just wondering. You know, even before that play,
Speaker 1: I hope they don't sneak it with Mahomes. Why risk it?
Speaker 1: But what's next? What's next for this Chief's team if
Speaker 1: if they have Matt Moore. I guess it's all about
Speaker 1: the timeline. I don't think they'll be favorite against the
Speaker 1: Packers or No, they are just trying to survive. Um
Speaker 1: And again it was announced. I mean it is officially
Speaker 1: a dislocated knee, kneecap, and there's a lot of different
Speaker 1: ways that can go. I don't know, it's this is
Speaker 1: one team I'm always hesitant to, like, you know, give
Speaker 1: a team a dirt nap too early in the season,
Speaker 1: But the Broncos it's time. Wow, if even we stuck,
Speaker 1: if even Greg is going the fork, I know I
Speaker 1: stuck a fork in the fork segment. There's no coming back, partly,
Speaker 1: you know, partly because of the trades and and everything,
Speaker 1: and this was there. This was kind of their super Bowl,
Speaker 1: this was their primetime game. To get back in the
Speaker 1: mix and to not show up like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: they might win some more games the rest of the way,
Speaker 1: but they're not. They're not doing anything. They're irrelevant from
Speaker 1: here on out. I feel like jet lag hit me,
Speaker 1: like midway through the third quarter. I've been fine a week.
Speaker 1: I've been getting some nice nice America watching this game.
Speaker 1: Did not go to London, and they all felt je
Speaker 1: legged watching this game. Yeah, the the it was like
Speaker 1: the melotonin like kicked in. That should be las nickname
Speaker 1: is melotonin. Right as I saw the shot of you know,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes dad going into the locker room, it's just sad.
Speaker 1: Don't take don't take Patrick Mahomes away from us. I
Speaker 1: know Chiefs fans feel like that, don't don't ruin this guy.
Speaker 1: He's so special and he's everything about his career and
Speaker 1: everything that's gone. Casual football fans feel that way. Everybody,
Speaker 1: Patriots fans. I'm feeling that way. And and I'm James
Speaker 1: Palmer's hair and fantaist. I'm an optimist. I know we're
Speaker 1: watching the postgame show as we do this. I think
Speaker 1: I think that's a sign. When James Palmer's Hair uh
Speaker 1: make an appearance on the show, I think that that's
Speaker 1: time to call it a night. I mean, we're gonna
Speaker 1: that's it. Well, you know, there's no rule. You don't
Speaker 1: have to go twenty nine minutes like uh Burrgo and
Speaker 1: Eddie Spaghetti did last week. Sometimes the game only deserves
Speaker 1: a twelve or thirteen minutes. I have no idea how
Speaker 1: long we've gone. It's been a long week. We're pumping
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