WEBVTT - The Globetrotters: Flight Time and Big Easy. 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:14.920 Hi, Caroline. She's a queen and talking song you mind. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.759 She's getting really not afraid to feel it's so so 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:26.920 just let it flow. No one can do with c Caroline. Caroline, 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.960 this is a really exciting podcast for me. I'm so excited. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:31.920 It's takes me back to some of the best days 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.120 of my life when we were racing around the world 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:40.560 on Amazing Race and Flight Time and Big Easy, the Globetrotters. 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:45.560 They were like the bad ass guys representing the Globetrotters. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.760 Y'all are also the kindest people. Um, y'all are joining 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:58.280 me and y'are three time Amazing racers, three time losers. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.040 Thank you for having us song. We really appreciate it. 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:02.720 We've we've missed you. It's been a while since we've 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.360 seen you. I know. Isn't that The crazy thing about 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.840 Amazing Race is you're in this like little bubble and 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:15.040 this little tiny little incubator with just these people, and 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.360 you're racing on around the world having these wild experiences. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.680 You're getting so close to all these different teams, and 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.000 then it's just over and everyone disperses back to life. 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:25.560 Like I had a little bit of a letdown. It 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:27.520 was a hard transition to go back into real life 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.199 for me. Did y'all struggle with that? Um? Not really, 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.280 I think because you know, we we continue to travel. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.720 You know, what will we do for our job at 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.360 the time, you know, we would vote still on the 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:41.240 team and still traveling, and you know, we were actually 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.440 reliving the amazing race you know every night because when 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.480 we go do shows and stuff, you know people was 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.800 coming because you know they enjoy watching us on the show. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.240 So um, it was cool to keep going. But you know, 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:53.880 I would love to do it again, like on that 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:55.680 at that point and I was like, I want to win, 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.000 you know, so on that point, yes, it's a letdown 0:01:58.000 --> 0:01:59.680 from losing. I wished you know, I wish I could 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.200 do it again. It Yeah, I think. I think one 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.160 of the things that we all experienced and we would 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.680 talk about amongst former races are the right the race mayors, 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.880 Like even on tour. Sometimes I know that I would 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.119 wake up, I think that I'm still running a race, 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:16.240 and you know, thinking that I've yeah, yeah, I need 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.480 to wait, you know, wake big, easy up. But nobody 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.799 else is in the room except for me, for I mean, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:22.480 but that kind of think, that's something that happens like 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.040 a month or whatever afterwards, where you wake up and 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.880 thinking that you about the missile of something. I think 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:32.919 a lot of us have experienced that totally. Okay, So 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:34.880 I want to talk a little bit about you guys 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.240 and your upbringing, how y'all got to the globetrotters, Herb. 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.200 I was just reading some of your book projects Popes 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.359 and Presidents. First off, I didn't know you're best selling author, 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.200 Like you just wrote this book and it just became 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.760 a national best bestseller, which is amazing. But you're talking 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.720 about how you grew up, um, the way you were raised, 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.280 how that impacted you, And I just sort of want 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.240 to talk to you all about your childhoods and what 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.280 what led you to basketball. And I know from your book, Herb, 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.120 you had a lot of overcoming and you saw some 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.919 stuff that you didn't necessarily want to be, like even 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.160 like when it came to being father and um a 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.200 partner and all that, Like, you witness some stuff he 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.560 that made you go differently, but it was so important 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.040 to you from the life that you had, was so 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.040 important to you in shaping you. And I'm sure that 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.120 you have some stories too, So I just would love 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.640 to hear y'all upbringing what led you to basketball and 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.320 the Globetrotters, Well, I mean from I mean, as you 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.720 read the first chapter the book, that initial thing that 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.640 I remembered in my book is what led me to 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.760 the basketball. If you read more into the book, you'll 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.520 know that that person, you know, from that horible experience 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.320 with the person that led me to the opportunities that 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:40.520 I have right now. Yeah, yeah, and and so I 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.480 just feel like all the experience and obstacles that I 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.880 face have actually given me opportunity to see things in 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.680 a different way, uh and not so negative at times. 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.480 And I think that that's what's been one of the 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.119 best things about my life, being able to see things 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.040 that way and living that way and let people know 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.040 that at the end of the day, you know, things 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.520 are gonna be okay. I've learned to not complain about 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.080 certain things because at the end of the day, I 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.800 realized that there are people, especially from my travels, that 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.520 have a lot more you know, horrible things going on 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.000 in their lives than myself. You know, a former hollow 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:10.920 Blow will try to even growing up growing up in 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.680 the projects of Arkansas, there are people who grew up 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.960 a lot worse and are growing up a lot worse 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.080 than I did right now in different parts of the world. 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.720 So that first memory that you talked about in your 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.400 book is your mom's boyfriend and he can't He's riding 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.159 up on a bike and then he just starts like 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:30.040 beating up your mom physically, and you were, yeah, yep, yep. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.440 I think I was about four years old. And you know, 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.440 one of the things that that taught me is, you know, 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.440 never to put my hands on a on a woman, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.640 because I remember, you know, those experiences happened over and 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.360 over again for a short period of my life. But 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.400 it just, you know, put me in the mindset to where, 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:46.479 you know, if I gotta put my hands on somebody, 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.960 I have to realize that, you know, that's somebody's mother, 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.760 that's somebody's daughter. And now I have a daughter now. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.320 And it even put things in more perspective that you know, 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.000 it's not right, it's not necessary, and you know, there's 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.680 other ways to work things out. And I love that 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.920 used at it was just like, uh, you you well, 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.840 you had the reasons why you felt like that was happening. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.280 Was just like not being educated, like he didn't know 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.240 any better basically, right, right, right, I mean it was 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.760 it was a cycle. You know that that person, he 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.240 it was something that he experienced growing up. And you know, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.200 if that's something that continues to happen and you never 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.680 talked a different way, you kind of know that it's wrong, 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.039 but it's hard not to reactive. And that's you what 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.120 you've been used to sing for a large portion of 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.880 your life. Not to make it an excuse, but there's 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.000 a lot of opportunity and a lot of research out 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.599 there now for us as me and and women to 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.240 realize that there are other things that we can do 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.640 besides become physically violent with one another. I love that. 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:40.680 But he also led you to basketball because he was 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.560 an incredible basketball player. So that's how you learned how 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.400 to play basketball and got into it, right, that's right. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.480 He led me, led me to the game of basketball. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.960 And I've had conversations with him even in the last year. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.440 You know, I still, uh, you know, reach out and 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.560 try to support him the best way that he can. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:56.800 Because at the end of the day, I don't think 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.400 that he was a horrible person. He just didn't have 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.000 the education that I had up with the experiences I 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:02.920 was able to have in order that I can see 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.080 things in a different light. I totally agree. And so 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.320 is that what led you to write your book? You 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.919 said it was finally time for you to write your story. 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:14.039 You're retired from the Globe Trotters, which nate you still 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.360 are going strong. You're not retired, you're still rocking a 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.359 wrong Uh huh? Is that you? So? Her? Have you 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.760 retired from the Globe Trotters. You've been there eighteen years 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:27.440 and you finally said, Okay, I'm gonna write my life story. Yeah. Yeah, 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.240 that's basically what happened, because I mean probably about five 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.280 years into my career, every time I would come home 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.359 and I'm sure they probably gets this as well, my homeboys, 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.880 my friends, whatever, they started asking questions and they would say, man, 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.760 you should write a book. And this happened for almost 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.800 twelve years, and then finally when it was over with, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.160 I said, yeah, it's time for me to write a book. 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.440 In from writing that book, what I was able to 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:48.800 do and what I feel like I've been able to 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.080 do is give back, you know, to people who have 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:52.560 read it. What the world is given to me is, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.960 which is some amazing experiences and That's what it's all 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.919 about for me right now. It's about giving back and 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.400 sharing my life stories and my life experien answers so 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.560 that some other people, when Facebook similar situations may know 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.240 how to deal with these situations. And that's my main 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.640 purpose now. Kind OF's is free, doesn't cost us a dime, 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.320 give it away knowing that we'll never run away, run 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.520 out of it, and and and just keep going. I 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.000 love that. So, Nay, tell me a little about you. 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:18.480 How did you grow up? How did you get your 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.160 start in the basketball? Um? I was you know, I 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.040 grew up in New Orleans. I grew up in the 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:27.160 mail for me projects, UM, in New Orleans in the nineties. UM, 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.240 which was tough. You know, it was a lot of 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.680 stuff I've seen that I wouldn't wishing anybody to see, 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.800 you know. UM, But everything I've been through and went 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:35.880 through they made me who I am to day. It's 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:37.640 the reason why I'm as tough as I am as 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.200 the reason. UM, nothing really phased me. I always go hard, 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.160 never make excuses. I don't give up on nothing no 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.440 matter what. UM. Just for me, basketball still it was 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.680 it saved my life. It was this point Blake, you know, 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:54.200 growing up. I grew up seeing the things I've seen, 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.280 all the murders and and all the violence and different things. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.160 It was part of growing up witness murders sometimes. But yeah, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.840 of course you see, you see some stuff that you 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.920 you don't want to don't see growing up as a 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:07.960 as a kid. Yeah, you know, you you did, you know, 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.680 see some things and walking to school the next day, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.440 you know, you see somebody still out there. You get 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.560 caught up. You know. The basketball court got shot up, 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.280 you know. When I was younger, I was like nine 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.600 years old. Uman, one of my best friends, Wayne was 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.360 on the court watching the game, and UM, some guys 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.080 out another project came and shot the court up, you know. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.200 And that was just part of growing up. It was 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.880 part of the neighborhood we was in, UM and it 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:35.400 just made me tough. It made me like, wanna do better, 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.040 you know, and in order to do better, you have 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.240 to know better. And I understood that being taller than 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.240 everybody coming up, this mean that I was gonna naturally 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.760 play basketball. I had to work hard and and and 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.280 and persevere and get through those things. And you know, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.199 I didn't get a chance to play summer ball, au ball. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.560 I had to go work in the summertime, you know, 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.800 because you know, if I didn't work in the summertime, 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.360 I wouldn't be able to buy my school uniforms for 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.120 when school started, you know, and things like that. And 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.720 so I went through some stuff, and you know, um, 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.240 it made me who I am. My father got hurt 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:13.880 when now I was in eleven grade, I think. Uh, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:18.839 he was a long shore on the river. Um, he 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.480 saved some mother had to stop to take care of him. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.880 And so instead of going straight to college, you know 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.600 what happened out? Sorry, yeah, you said your father got hurt. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.480 He was on a river. He was he was a 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.920 long shoreman. Yeah, he was a long shoreman. He worked 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:35.679 on the river. We called it at the port, the 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.320 Port of New Orleans, we called it on the river. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.400 But yeah, he was a long shoreman. He got hurt. Um, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:45.000 he saved someone as he was getting hurt. And um, 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.719 because of that accident, he had to stop working to 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.480 heal up. My mother had to stop her job to 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.679 take care of my dad because he was home. And 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.360 so you know, I went to work. I worked at 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.920 a place called achime Osha House. Um. I was washing 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.920 dishes and shucking oysters at six nine, Um, and it 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.439 just it made me understand like even more what I 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.440 want to do. I want to go to college. I 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.040 want to get an education, and um, the vehicle for 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.560 me to do that was too basketball. And I think 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.720 if it wasn't for that ball, Um, you know, I 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.760 probably wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be in a position 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:20.679 that end the day. So I love that. And I 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.480 was telling her just a little bit before we started, 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:28.520 like I struggle with the brokenness of this world, Like 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.400 it's really hard for me to accept that there's so 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.680 much pain and suffering in the world, especially with like 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.760 young children. And you you both witnessed a lot of 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.800 violence as young boys, and UM, a lot of things 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.920 that you decided not to do, and you made decisions 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.520 to change your life and to change your mindset and 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.200 to have a different way of living. But I agree 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:51.839 with you her how you said, a lot of it 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.760 is just not knowing, not knowing better, being caught in 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.840 this cycle. And I it just crushes my soul that 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.120 the cycle exist, because I agree with you, if we 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.679 if people could just learn a different way, it wouldn't 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.000 maybe the violence wouldn't have to be like it is 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:09.880 or or the suffering would have to be like it is. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:14.160 But like, how do you deal with a broken world 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.480 when you know in your heart things things should be 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.079 better and that everyone has a good spark in then 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.800 we just might not know how to how to be 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.120 the best version of ourselves? Like how do you not 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.600 feel sad about it? Because sometimes I feel sad that 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.560 there's just so much suffering going on. I think everything 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.800 starts at home, you know, I think, Um, no matter 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.560 what you know, nothing is no, you don't inherit anything. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.319 Everything you see at home. So whether it's you know, 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.240 being like herb said, being violent, you know, he wants 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.120 to break that cycle. You know, whether there's somebody being mean, 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:52.000 be a bully, being racist, being anything you you see, 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.679 it's at home. It's come from a time that they 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.520 was taught that any house. So my thing is I 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.040 try to break every cycle that I've been through. And 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.560 then it was poverty, whether it's the lack of education, 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:05.640 anything that is, and any everybody can do that at home. 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.560 If you start there, If you start there and you 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.160 teach your kids a different way, then you can break 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.200 the cycle. It starts with you. It starts at home, 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.400 you know, we want to change the world. Of course, 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.079 like herbs say, you know, you want to see conns 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.080 is free and that that engulf a lot of things. 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.400 You know. He when he says that, that that that that 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.640 puts a dome on everything, because it is if you're 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.520 if you're kind, that's gonna eliminate a lot of stuff 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.600 from from the start, you know that. And I love that. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.839 So I think it starts at home. It's tough to 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.480 see certain things and stuff, to see people going through 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.959 things that that that you saw, and but you know, 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.520 I understand if at home, you know, if I practice 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:51.199 and preach to my kids education and learning how to 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:55.440 balance a checkbook and and just getting your credit right, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.920 this small little things like that that we didn't get 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.320 the opportunity coming up, um, it could change it could 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.480 change the world. But I think everything starts at home, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.760 whether it's teaching them good things are bad things, it 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.240 always starts at home. You can think about anything that 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.600 happened in your life and how you look at other 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.520 people and things around you, and your parents had an 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.800 influence on that. And so as parents we gotta make 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.040 sure we we we we were saying the right things, 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.040 doing the right things, and having a popular influence with 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:28.280 all your kids. Carolina, I totally agree with what Nate says. 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.480 I mean, it definitely starts at home. A lot of 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.160 a lot of what I feel like we're dealing with 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.800 now issue that we have that we're watching what's going 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.560 on on television. We're watching too much news, and we're 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.760 getting worked up about things that we really have no 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.640 control over, and we're letting that affect our homes, where 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:44.960 that is where we should be solving and letting our 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:46.959 people know that everything is gonna be okay. I mean, 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.560 for myself, I saw myself getting caught up and what 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.120 was going early in the year, but I had to 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.440 shift and realize that I need to be strong for 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.480 the people that I can start, you know, sought for 0:13:55.640 --> 0:14:00.120 within my immediate grasp. So if we can start that, 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.840 that's a good point, because like sometimes I get overwhelmed 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.640 by the hugeness of it. You see all this stuff 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.800 on the news and TV and all of this these 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.240 terrible things that are happening, and all this injustice and 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.240 all these things that need to change, and people who 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.720 are suffering and being the wrongdoing going on, and and 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.679 it's like, oh my god, I feel so overwhelmed. I 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.280 actually feel like I can't do anything. But then, like 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.640 what you're saying and what I'm really trying to grasp 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.560 as well, is where can I make a difference, Where 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.800 do I have an impact? Where can I actually have 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:35.560 a grasp to to reach people and focus on that? Yeah, 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.840 I mean absolutely, I mean and it's also about mental awareness. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.600 This is Mental Awareness Month, and that's one of the 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.080 things that's being spoken on a lot, even in the 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.320 sports industry, one of the things that I'm you know, 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.360 talking about and and discussing a lot. I'm taking part 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.440 in a mental awareness event just last month into Luca 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.920 Lake and Birdbank, and I'm having another one on October 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.000 twenty fifth, this Sunday. It's a virtual slash in person 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.920 event where we're just having people come out and meet 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.520 greed and and talk about you know, what we're dealing with. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.800 Working with a few people, but mental awareness is important 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.440 in our community. Growing up, and I even now it 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:09.880 was kind of frowned up on to go out and 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.640 skil I mean, I knew after my globetrot career ended 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.160 after eighteen years, I had to go and see see 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.400 a counsel to talk about the things that I was 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.160 dealing with in my head. You know, I've been used 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.760 to doing the same thing for eighteen years and that 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.920 was no longer happening. But when I was able to 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.680 realize that, I've learned so much. But yeah, go ahead, No, 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.120 but you're doing the same thing. And when you're a Globetrotter, 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.440 you guys are traveling the world, you're treated like because 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.840 you are. You're this celebrity team that comes in and 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.840 makes people smile and happiness. You bring all this joy 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.560 to the world and it's like a huge event everywhere 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.680 y'all go. So probably to have that stop and then 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.640 all of a sudden, you're just her, you know, I mean, 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:53.240 you're her, the Globetrotter, the amazing racer, the father, the author, 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:57.320 all that, but the whole, the whole um movement that 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.720 happens with the Globetrotters everywhere you go, it's kind of 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.440 gone on. So what is that like, transitioning from being 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.080 involved with this team that is so loved and so 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.880 respected and has so much energy around it everywhere it 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.280 goes to being on your own. It's it's, uh, well, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.120 it's about recreating the experience, but recreating it in my 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.000 own way all the things that I've learned over the 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.880 kept course of that eighteen years. For example, branding, I 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.920 started my own brand, swag Ball. The Globe Trotters started 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.960 their own brand, as I mentioned to you. By building 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.400 a home, you know in Florida's being able to hold 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.240 retreats and teach kids as well as adults a different 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.200 way of living as well as a different way of thinking. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.680 It's just about being creative. I feel like God in 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.640 the universe showed me the whole world over that course 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.440 of eighteen years, so I can give back my perspective, 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.000 you know, from my actual, real, none biased view of 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:48.760 the things that I've seen, and I've seen a lot 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.800 and my experiences are all things that each one of 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.280 us can build upon. That's interesting. I'd love to hear 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.120 both of y'all's respective on this. Y'all have seen the 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:01.040 whole world from being in the Harlem Globetrotters and then 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.920 traveling the Amazing Race three times, so I know I 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.959 did it two times and I went to like twenty countries, 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.879 so y'all probably went to like thirty countries on the 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.960 Amazing Race, who knows. And then you traveled everywhere with 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.240 the Globe Trotters. And what I thought was interesting with 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.800 The Amazing Race is when we were on that show, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.720 you really got into the life. They didn't like, you 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.760 don't go to The Amazing Race and do like touristy stuff. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.680 They put you in the middle of real life living 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:29.040 of whatever country you're in, like you're One of the 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.480 things we did was like, um, you we were made 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.040 clothing at a at a clothing like a kind of 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.520 like a sweatshop, and like you know that you're in 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.880 it doing that. Another one's like building a canoe, Like 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.560 you get in the middle of what's happening in that 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:46.480 culture on The Amazing Race, which I found very enlightening 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.440 to get to feel how people are living in those countries. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.399 And I feel like probably you get that insight being 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.879 a globetrotter too, because you're welcome to these countries and 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.520 you get to meet people who, like your book says, 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.560 president's popes and all these people. You get to meet 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.199 people who your decision makers for these countries, and like, really, 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.239 I don't know, like you're really you really get a 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.880 glimpse of how life works that not many people get. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:15.119 And y'all have seen that on such a big global level. 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:20.720 What have you learned from your experiences of knowing these 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.920 cultures and knowing these people who run these these countries 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.639 in these cities and getting to be with all these 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.719 incredible people, but then be with everyday people as well, Like, 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:35.280 what have you taken from all of that? Well? I learned, 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.800 and you know I'm still traveling and still going. Um, 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.600 I've learned. You know, when I got with the Globe Trials, 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.560 I was coming from Hurricane Katrina. Um. I had just 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.920 lost everything in the hurricane and basically had nothing. And Um, 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.000 the first trip I went on with the Globe Trials, 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.840 wass to India with to China, India and you know, 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.560 this third world country and there were it looked like 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.040 Hurricane Katrina. What's happening every day over there? Um? And 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.280 but they were the nice people. Uh. They smile, they 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.760 seemed happy, they appreciative of us being over there. And 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.439 another thing I've learned from doing amazing race and traveling 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:13.359