Speaker 1: Hi, Caroline. She's a queen and talking song you mind.
Speaker 1: She's getting really not afraid to feel it's so so
Speaker 1: just let it flow. No one can do with c Caroline. Caroline,
Speaker 1: this is a really exciting podcast for me. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: It's takes me back to some of the best days
Speaker 1: of my life when we were racing around the world
Speaker 1: on Amazing Race and Flight Time and Big Easy, the Globetrotters.
Speaker 1: They were like the bad ass guys representing the Globetrotters.
Speaker 1: Y'all are also the kindest people. Um, y'all are joining
Speaker 1: me and y'are three time Amazing racers, three time losers.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having us song. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We've we've missed you. It's been a while since we've
Speaker 1: seen you. I know. Isn't that The crazy thing about
Speaker 1: Amazing Race is you're in this like little bubble and
Speaker 1: this little tiny little incubator with just these people, and
Speaker 1: you're racing on around the world having these wild experiences.
Speaker 1: You're getting so close to all these different teams, and
Speaker 1: then it's just over and everyone disperses back to life.
Speaker 1: Like I had a little bit of a letdown. It
Speaker 1: was a hard transition to go back into real life
Speaker 1: for me. Did y'all struggle with that? Um? Not really,
Speaker 1: I think because you know, we we continue to travel.
Speaker 1: You know, what will we do for our job at
Speaker 1: the time, you know, we would vote still on the
Speaker 1: team and still traveling, and you know, we were actually
Speaker 1: reliving the amazing race you know every night because when
Speaker 1: we go do shows and stuff, you know people was
Speaker 1: coming because you know they enjoy watching us on the show.
Speaker 1: So um, it was cool to keep going. But you know,
Speaker 1: I would love to do it again, like on that
Speaker 1: at that point and I was like, I want to win,
Speaker 1: you know, so on that point, yes, it's a letdown
Speaker 1: from losing. I wished you know, I wish I could
Speaker 1: do it again. It Yeah, I think. I think one
Speaker 1: of the things that we all experienced and we would
Speaker 1: talk about amongst former races are the right the race mayors,
Speaker 1: Like even on tour. Sometimes I know that I would
Speaker 1: wake up, I think that I'm still running a race,
Speaker 1: and you know, thinking that I've yeah, yeah, I need
Speaker 1: to wait, you know, wake big, easy up. But nobody
Speaker 1: else is in the room except for me, for I mean,
Speaker 1: but that kind of think, that's something that happens like
Speaker 1: a month or whatever afterwards, where you wake up and
Speaker 1: thinking that you about the missile of something. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of us have experienced that totally. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about you guys
Speaker 1: and your upbringing, how y'all got to the globetrotters, Herb.
Speaker 1: I was just reading some of your book projects Popes
Speaker 1: and Presidents. First off, I didn't know you're best selling author,
Speaker 1: Like you just wrote this book and it just became
Speaker 1: a national best bestseller, which is amazing. But you're talking
Speaker 1: about how you grew up, um, the way you were raised,
Speaker 1: how that impacted you, And I just sort of want
Speaker 1: to talk to you all about your childhoods and what
Speaker 1: what led you to basketball. And I know from your book, Herb,
Speaker 1: you had a lot of overcoming and you saw some
Speaker 1: stuff that you didn't necessarily want to be, like even
Speaker 1: like when it came to being father and um a
Speaker 1: partner and all that, Like, you witness some stuff he
Speaker 1: that made you go differently, but it was so important
Speaker 1: to you from the life that you had, was so
Speaker 1: important to you in shaping you. And I'm sure that
Speaker 1: you have some stories too, So I just would love
Speaker 1: to hear y'all upbringing what led you to basketball and
Speaker 1: the Globetrotters, Well, I mean from I mean, as you
Speaker 1: read the first chapter the book, that initial thing that
Speaker 1: I remembered in my book is what led me to
Speaker 1: the basketball. If you read more into the book, you'll
Speaker 1: know that that person, you know, from that horible experience
Speaker 1: with the person that led me to the opportunities that
Speaker 1: I have right now. Yeah, yeah, and and so I
Speaker 1: just feel like all the experience and obstacles that I
Speaker 1: face have actually given me opportunity to see things in
Speaker 1: a different way, uh and not so negative at times.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's what's been one of the
Speaker 1: best things about my life, being able to see things
Speaker 1: that way and living that way and let people know
Speaker 1: that at the end of the day, you know, things
Speaker 1: are gonna be okay. I've learned to not complain about
Speaker 1: certain things because at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: realized that there are people, especially from my travels, that
Speaker 1: have a lot more you know, horrible things going on
Speaker 1: in their lives than myself. You know, a former hollow
Speaker 1: Blow will try to even growing up growing up in
Speaker 1: the projects of Arkansas, there are people who grew up
Speaker 1: a lot worse and are growing up a lot worse
Speaker 1: than I did right now in different parts of the world.
Speaker 1: So that first memory that you talked about in your
Speaker 1: book is your mom's boyfriend and he can't He's riding
Speaker 1: up on a bike and then he just starts like
Speaker 1: beating up your mom physically, and you were, yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: I think I was about four years old. And you know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that that taught me is, you know,
Speaker 1: never to put my hands on a on a woman,
Speaker 1: because I remember, you know, those experiences happened over and
Speaker 1: over again for a short period of my life. But
Speaker 1: it just, you know, put me in the mindset to where,
Speaker 1: you know, if I gotta put my hands on somebody,
Speaker 1: I have to realize that, you know, that's somebody's mother,
Speaker 1: that's somebody's daughter. And now I have a daughter now.
Speaker 1: And it even put things in more perspective that you know,
Speaker 1: it's not right, it's not necessary, and you know, there's
Speaker 1: other ways to work things out. And I love that
Speaker 1: used at it was just like, uh, you you well,
Speaker 1: you had the reasons why you felt like that was happening.
Speaker 1: Was just like not being educated, like he didn't know
Speaker 1: any better basically, right, right, right, I mean it was
Speaker 1: it was a cycle. You know that that person, he
Speaker 1: it was something that he experienced growing up. And you know,
Speaker 1: if that's something that continues to happen and you never
Speaker 1: talked a different way, you kind of know that it's wrong,
Speaker 1: but it's hard not to reactive. And that's you what
Speaker 1: you've been used to sing for a large portion of
Speaker 1: your life. Not to make it an excuse, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunity and a lot of research out
Speaker 1: there now for us as me and and women to
Speaker 1: realize that there are other things that we can do
Speaker 1: besides become physically violent with one another. I love that.
Speaker 1: But he also led you to basketball because he was
Speaker 1: an incredible basketball player. So that's how you learned how
Speaker 1: to play basketball and got into it, right, that's right.
Speaker 1: He led me, led me to the game of basketball.
Speaker 1: And I've had conversations with him even in the last year.
Speaker 1: You know, I still, uh, you know, reach out and
Speaker 1: try to support him the best way that he can.
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, I don't think
Speaker 1: that he was a horrible person. He just didn't have
Speaker 1: the education that I had up with the experiences I
Speaker 1: was able to have in order that I can see
Speaker 1: things in a different light. I totally agree. And so
Speaker 1: is that what led you to write your book? You
Speaker 1: said it was finally time for you to write your story.
Speaker 1: You're retired from the Globe Trotters, which nate you still
Speaker 1: are going strong. You're not retired, you're still rocking a
Speaker 1: wrong Uh huh? Is that you? So? Her? Have you
Speaker 1: retired from the Globe Trotters. You've been there eighteen years
Speaker 1: and you finally said, Okay, I'm gonna write my life story. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's basically what happened, because I mean probably about five
Speaker 1: years into my career, every time I would come home
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they probably gets this as well, my homeboys,
Speaker 1: my friends, whatever, they started asking questions and they would say, man,
Speaker 1: you should write a book. And this happened for almost
Speaker 1: twelve years, and then finally when it was over with,
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, it's time for me to write a book.
Speaker 1: In from writing that book, what I was able to
Speaker 1: do and what I feel like I've been able to
Speaker 1: do is give back, you know, to people who have
Speaker 1: read it. What the world is given to me is,
Speaker 1: which is some amazing experiences and That's what it's all
Speaker 1: about for me right now. It's about giving back and
Speaker 1: sharing my life stories and my life experien answers so
Speaker 1: that some other people, when Facebook similar situations may know
Speaker 1: how to deal with these situations. And that's my main
Speaker 1: purpose now. Kind OF's is free, doesn't cost us a dime,
Speaker 1: give it away knowing that we'll never run away, run
Speaker 1: out of it, and and and just keep going. I
Speaker 1: love that. So, Nay, tell me a little about you.
Speaker 1: How did you grow up? How did you get your
Speaker 1: start in the basketball? Um? I was you know, I
Speaker 1: grew up in New Orleans. I grew up in the
Speaker 1: mail for me projects, UM, in New Orleans in the nineties. UM,
Speaker 1: which was tough. You know, it was a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff I've seen that I wouldn't wishing anybody to see,
Speaker 1: you know. UM, But everything I've been through and went
Speaker 1: through they made me who I am to day. It's
Speaker 1: the reason why I'm as tough as I am as
Speaker 1: the reason. UM, nothing really phased me. I always go hard,
Speaker 1: never make excuses. I don't give up on nothing no
Speaker 1: matter what. UM. Just for me, basketball still it was
Speaker 1: it saved my life. It was this point Blake, you know,
Speaker 1: growing up. I grew up seeing the things I've seen,
Speaker 1: all the murders and and all the violence and different things.
Speaker 1: It was part of growing up witness murders sometimes. But yeah,
Speaker 1: of course you see, you see some stuff that you
Speaker 1: you don't want to don't see growing up as a
Speaker 1: as a kid. Yeah, you know, you you did, you know,
Speaker 1: see some things and walking to school the next day,
Speaker 1: you know, you see somebody still out there. You get
Speaker 1: caught up. You know. The basketball court got shot up,
Speaker 1: you know. When I was younger, I was like nine
Speaker 1: years old. Uman, one of my best friends, Wayne was
Speaker 1: on the court watching the game, and UM, some guys
Speaker 1: out another project came and shot the court up, you know.
Speaker 1: And that was just part of growing up. It was
Speaker 1: part of the neighborhood we was in, UM and it
Speaker 1: just made me tough. It made me like, wanna do better,
Speaker 1: you know, and in order to do better, you have
Speaker 1: to know better. And I understood that being taller than
Speaker 1: everybody coming up, this mean that I was gonna naturally
Speaker 1: play basketball. I had to work hard and and and
Speaker 1: and persevere and get through those things. And you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to play summer ball, au ball.
Speaker 1: I had to go work in the summertime, you know,
Speaker 1: because you know, if I didn't work in the summertime,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to buy my school uniforms for
Speaker 1: when school started, you know, and things like that. And
Speaker 1: so I went through some stuff, and you know, um,
Speaker 1: it made me who I am. My father got hurt
Speaker 1: when now I was in eleven grade, I think. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was a long shore on the river. Um, he
Speaker 1: saved some mother had to stop to take care of him.
Speaker 1: And so instead of going straight to college, you know
Speaker 1: what happened out? Sorry, yeah, you said your father got hurt.
Speaker 1: He was on a river. He was he was a
Speaker 1: long shoreman. Yeah, he was a long shoreman. He worked
Speaker 1: on the river. We called it at the port, the
Speaker 1: Port of New Orleans, we called it on the river.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was a long shoreman. He got hurt. Um,
Speaker 1: he saved someone as he was getting hurt. And um,
Speaker 1: because of that accident, he had to stop working to
Speaker 1: heal up. My mother had to stop her job to
Speaker 1: take care of my dad because he was home. And
Speaker 1: so you know, I went to work. I worked at
Speaker 1: a place called achime Osha House. Um. I was washing
Speaker 1: dishes and shucking oysters at six nine, Um, and it
Speaker 1: just it made me understand like even more what I
Speaker 1: want to do. I want to go to college. I
Speaker 1: want to get an education, and um, the vehicle for
Speaker 1: me to do that was too basketball. And I think
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for that ball, Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be in a position
Speaker 1: that end the day. So I love that. And I
Speaker 1: was telling her just a little bit before we started,
Speaker 1: like I struggle with the brokenness of this world, Like
Speaker 1: it's really hard for me to accept that there's so
Speaker 1: much pain and suffering in the world, especially with like
Speaker 1: young children. And you you both witnessed a lot of
Speaker 1: violence as young boys, and UM, a lot of things
Speaker 1: that you decided not to do, and you made decisions
Speaker 1: to change your life and to change your mindset and
Speaker 1: to have a different way of living. But I agree
Speaker 1: with you her how you said, a lot of it
Speaker 1: is just not knowing, not knowing better, being caught in
Speaker 1: this cycle. And I it just crushes my soul that
Speaker 1: the cycle exist, because I agree with you, if we
Speaker 1: if people could just learn a different way, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: maybe the violence wouldn't have to be like it is
Speaker 1: or or the suffering would have to be like it is.
Speaker 1: But like, how do you deal with a broken world
Speaker 1: when you know in your heart things things should be
Speaker 1: better and that everyone has a good spark in then
Speaker 1: we just might not know how to how to be
Speaker 1: the best version of ourselves? Like how do you not
Speaker 1: feel sad about it? Because sometimes I feel sad that
Speaker 1: there's just so much suffering going on. I think everything
Speaker 1: starts at home, you know, I think, Um, no matter
Speaker 1: what you know, nothing is no, you don't inherit anything.
Speaker 1: Everything you see at home. So whether it's you know,
Speaker 1: being like herb said, being violent, you know, he wants
Speaker 1: to break that cycle. You know, whether there's somebody being mean,
Speaker 1: be a bully, being racist, being anything you you see,
Speaker 1: it's at home. It's come from a time that they
Speaker 1: was taught that any house. So my thing is I
Speaker 1: try to break every cycle that I've been through. And
Speaker 1: then it was poverty, whether it's the lack of education,
Speaker 1: anything that is, and any everybody can do that at home.
Speaker 1: If you start there, If you start there and you
Speaker 1: teach your kids a different way, then you can break
Speaker 1: the cycle. It starts with you. It starts at home,
Speaker 1: you know, we want to change the world. Of course,
Speaker 1: like herbs say, you know, you want to see conns
Speaker 1: is free and that that engulf a lot of things.
Speaker 1: You know. He when he says that, that that that that
Speaker 1: puts a dome on everything, because it is if you're
Speaker 1: if you're kind, that's gonna eliminate a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: from from the start, you know that. And I love that.
Speaker 1: So I think it starts at home. It's tough to
Speaker 1: see certain things and stuff, to see people going through
Speaker 1: things that that that you saw, and but you know,
Speaker 1: I understand if at home, you know, if I practice
Speaker 1: and preach to my kids education and learning how to
Speaker 1: balance a checkbook and and just getting your credit right,
Speaker 1: this small little things like that that we didn't get
Speaker 1: the opportunity coming up, um, it could change it could
Speaker 1: change the world. But I think everything starts at home,
Speaker 1: whether it's teaching them good things are bad things, it
Speaker 1: always starts at home. You can think about anything that
Speaker 1: happened in your life and how you look at other
Speaker 1: people and things around you, and your parents had an
Speaker 1: influence on that. And so as parents we gotta make
Speaker 1: sure we we we we were saying the right things,
Speaker 1: doing the right things, and having a popular influence with
Speaker 1: all your kids. Carolina, I totally agree with what Nate says.
Speaker 1: I mean, it definitely starts at home. A lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of what I feel like we're dealing with
Speaker 1: now issue that we have that we're watching what's going
Speaker 1: on on television. We're watching too much news, and we're
Speaker 1: getting worked up about things that we really have no
Speaker 1: control over, and we're letting that affect our homes, where
Speaker 1: that is where we should be solving and letting our
Speaker 1: people know that everything is gonna be okay. I mean,
Speaker 1: for myself, I saw myself getting caught up and what
Speaker 1: was going early in the year, but I had to
Speaker 1: shift and realize that I need to be strong for
Speaker 1: the people that I can start, you know, sought for
Speaker 1: within my immediate grasp. So if we can start that,
Speaker 1: that's a good point, because like sometimes I get overwhelmed
Speaker 1: by the hugeness of it. You see all this stuff
Speaker 1: on the news and TV and all of this these
Speaker 1: terrible things that are happening, and all this injustice and
Speaker 1: all these things that need to change, and people who
Speaker 1: are suffering and being the wrongdoing going on, and and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, I feel so overwhelmed. I
Speaker 1: actually feel like I can't do anything. But then, like
Speaker 1: what you're saying and what I'm really trying to grasp
Speaker 1: as well, is where can I make a difference, Where
Speaker 1: do I have an impact? Where can I actually have
Speaker 1: a grasp to to reach people and focus on that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, I mean and it's also about mental awareness.
Speaker 1: This is Mental Awareness Month, and that's one of the
Speaker 1: things that's being spoken on a lot, even in the
Speaker 1: sports industry, one of the things that I'm you know,
Speaker 1: talking about and and discussing a lot. I'm taking part
Speaker 1: in a mental awareness event just last month into Luca
Speaker 1: Lake and Birdbank, and I'm having another one on October
Speaker 1: twenty fifth, this Sunday. It's a virtual slash in person
Speaker 1: event where we're just having people come out and meet
Speaker 1: greed and and talk about you know, what we're dealing with.
Speaker 1: Working with a few people, but mental awareness is important
Speaker 1: in our community. Growing up, and I even now it
Speaker 1: was kind of frowned up on to go out and
Speaker 1: skil I mean, I knew after my globetrot career ended
Speaker 1: after eighteen years, I had to go and see see
Speaker 1: a counsel to talk about the things that I was
Speaker 1: dealing with in my head. You know, I've been used
Speaker 1: to doing the same thing for eighteen years and that
Speaker 1: was no longer happening. But when I was able to
Speaker 1: realize that, I've learned so much. But yeah, go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: but you're doing the same thing. And when you're a Globetrotter,
Speaker 1: you guys are traveling the world, you're treated like because
Speaker 1: you are. You're this celebrity team that comes in and
Speaker 1: makes people smile and happiness. You bring all this joy
Speaker 1: to the world and it's like a huge event everywhere
Speaker 1: y'all go. So probably to have that stop and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're just her, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're her, the Globetrotter, the amazing racer, the father, the author,
Speaker 1: all that, but the whole, the whole um movement that
Speaker 1: happens with the Globetrotters everywhere you go, it's kind of
Speaker 1: gone on. So what is that like, transitioning from being
Speaker 1: involved with this team that is so loved and so
Speaker 1: respected and has so much energy around it everywhere it
Speaker 1: goes to being on your own. It's it's, uh, well,
Speaker 1: it's about recreating the experience, but recreating it in my
Speaker 1: own way all the things that I've learned over the
Speaker 1: kept course of that eighteen years. For example, branding, I
Speaker 1: started my own brand, swag Ball. The Globe Trotters started
Speaker 1: their own brand, as I mentioned to you. By building
Speaker 1: a home, you know in Florida's being able to hold
Speaker 1: retreats and teach kids as well as adults a different
Speaker 1: way of living as well as a different way of thinking.
Speaker 1: It's just about being creative. I feel like God in
Speaker 1: the universe showed me the whole world over that course
Speaker 1: of eighteen years, so I can give back my perspective,
Speaker 1: you know, from my actual, real, none biased view of
Speaker 1: the things that I've seen, and I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: and my experiences are all things that each one of
Speaker 1: us can build upon. That's interesting. I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: both of y'all's respective on this. Y'all have seen the
Speaker 1: whole world from being in the Harlem Globetrotters and then
Speaker 1: traveling the Amazing Race three times, so I know I
Speaker 1: did it two times and I went to like twenty countries,
Speaker 1: so y'all probably went to like thirty countries on the
Speaker 1: Amazing Race, who knows. And then you traveled everywhere with
Speaker 1: the Globe Trotters. And what I thought was interesting with
Speaker 1: The Amazing Race is when we were on that show,
Speaker 1: you really got into the life. They didn't like, you
Speaker 1: don't go to The Amazing Race and do like touristy stuff.
Speaker 1: They put you in the middle of real life living
Speaker 1: of whatever country you're in, like you're One of the
Speaker 1: things we did was like, um, you we were made
Speaker 1: clothing at a at a clothing like a kind of
Speaker 1: like a sweatshop, and like you know that you're in
Speaker 1: it doing that. Another one's like building a canoe, Like
Speaker 1: you get in the middle of what's happening in that
Speaker 1: culture on The Amazing Race, which I found very enlightening
Speaker 1: to get to feel how people are living in those countries.
Speaker 1: And I feel like probably you get that insight being
Speaker 1: a globetrotter too, because you're welcome to these countries and
Speaker 1: you get to meet people who, like your book says,
Speaker 1: president's popes and all these people. You get to meet
Speaker 1: people who your decision makers for these countries, and like, really,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like you're really you really get a
Speaker 1: glimpse of how life works that not many people get.
Speaker 1: And y'all have seen that on such a big global level.
Speaker 1: What have you learned from your experiences of knowing these
Speaker 1: cultures and knowing these people who run these these countries
Speaker 1: in these cities and getting to be with all these
Speaker 1: incredible people, but then be with everyday people as well, Like,
Speaker 1: what have you taken from all of that? Well? I learned,
Speaker 1: and you know I'm still traveling and still going. Um,
Speaker 1: I've learned. You know, when I got with the Globe Trials,
Speaker 1: I was coming from Hurricane Katrina. Um. I had just
Speaker 1: lost everything in the hurricane and basically had nothing. And Um,
Speaker 1: the first trip I went on with the Globe Trials,
Speaker 1: wass to India with to China, India and you know,
Speaker 1: this third world country and there were it looked like
Speaker 1: Hurricane Katrina. What's happening every day over there? Um? And
Speaker 1: but they were the nice people. Uh. They smile, they
Speaker 1: seemed happy, they appreciative of us being over there. And
Speaker 1: another thing I've learned from doing amazing race and traveling
Speaker 1: with the Globe Trotters is, um, the more the less fortunate,
Speaker 1: the poor people. Um, the people who you don't you know,
Speaker 1: quote unquote seem like have a lot going on, are
Speaker 1: the most gracious and the kindness and the nicest people
Speaker 1: you know were during the race. Men, when we first
Speaker 1: did the major race, you can you can walk up
Speaker 1: to people and ask them to, hey, buy me a hamburger,
Speaker 1: give me two dollars for the you know, for the
Speaker 1: get this taxi and you know, you know men man flight.
Speaker 1: We used to do tricks in the airport to get
Speaker 1: money then take pictures and stuff, you know, to help
Speaker 1: us be able to get some food or something like that.
Speaker 1: And the people who was driving the taxis are standing
Speaker 1: on the corner just on the subway, regular hard work
Speaker 1: and day to day people would offer us money and
Speaker 1: food morging. The people with the suits on driving the
Speaker 1: maserati's in the ferraris and the people who you know
Speaker 1: who technically you know, you're on the same level as
Speaker 1: and and that made me realize, like it's really true.
Speaker 1: Never drudge it book by its cover because you're walking
Speaker 1: like hey, like oh, I think they're they Oh he's
Speaker 1: gonna help us, and you know he's here. She might
Speaker 1: shun this, but this person right here who might not
Speaker 1: be addressed as much to impress and shoes are not
Speaker 1: shining like that would be the one to say, hey,
Speaker 1: come on, let's go. I know where you I know
Speaker 1: we need to go. And we'll run next to or
Speaker 1: rickshaw all the way through India to help us get
Speaker 1: to the next thing. And the person who was dressed
Speaker 1: lavishly and it had all these things wouldn't even look
Speaker 1: at us twice. So I've learned that, you know, and
Speaker 1: once you already knew, like everybody is a person, just
Speaker 1: nobody by by what you see, you know, way today
Speaker 1: show you who they are, and then you judge them,
Speaker 1: you know, just because anything in life, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: where that person comes from, what they look like. You
Speaker 1: have that conversation with them, you interact with them, and
Speaker 1: after interaction, then you judge them. But other than that,
Speaker 1: everybody is everybody. That love is love and just enjoyed
Speaker 1: yourself and I and I appreciate that as being a
Speaker 1: globe trying to to get to see those things coming
Speaker 1: from New Orleans, growing up in the projects and now
Speaker 1: I've been to over ninety countries. So it's awesome, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's a great experience. What about you, herb Well, for me, Um,
Speaker 1: what I learned is that the world is not as
Speaker 1: bad as we thought it. Was from looking at television,
Speaker 1: and I remember my first couple of years of globe trotting,
Speaker 1: I would tell people, don't believe everything you see on television,
Speaker 1: you know, because once you go to another country, you
Speaker 1: get different perspectives. And also one of the things I
Speaker 1: also realized that, you know, growing up, I was a
Speaker 1: person who was impressed with people with their stature, what
Speaker 1: they'd accomplished, and excited to meet. But one of the
Speaker 1: things that I've learned throughout the course of life and
Speaker 1: travel in eighteen years of course amazing racing, is that
Speaker 1: people are people, and we're all human. And so I
Speaker 1: learned to not get overly excited about people that I meet,
Speaker 1: because the people that I met at the end of
Speaker 1: the they are human just like me. You know, I
Speaker 1: met President Obama twice. I shook his hand and he
Speaker 1: felt just like I did. You know, I saw him
Speaker 1: take a couple jump shots he missed, just like I
Speaker 1: missed sometimes, you know, I spun the ball when the
Speaker 1: President's I mean, on the Pope's finger. His hand was
Speaker 1: just as sweaty as mind was. He was human. You know,
Speaker 1: he had a mom and dad back in Argentina, just
Speaker 1: like you know, the President Obama had family that he
Speaker 1: grew up with back in Hawaii. They're human, So talk
Speaker 1: to people like they're human and don't be you know,
Speaker 1: you know, over excited about people and the things that
Speaker 1: they have accomplished. Be excited about the things that they're doing,
Speaker 1: that they are doing to help the world. That is
Speaker 1: so true. And Nate, you brought up a good point
Speaker 1: that sometimes the people who have the least are the
Speaker 1: most joyful and the most helpful, and sometimes those who
Speaker 1: seemingly have the most materialistically are not as joyful and
Speaker 1: as helpful. Why is that? Why is it when people
Speaker 1: have so little? Because I noticed that too on the
Speaker 1: Amazing Race when we went to Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka,
Speaker 1: everyone was so nice and and there was a lot
Speaker 1: of poverty and you know it's not a very wealthy
Speaker 1: country at all, but there's a lot of love. It
Speaker 1: felt like in that country. What is that like? Why
Speaker 1: do you think people who have so little are sometimes
Speaker 1: the happiest? I think it's because, um, what people value.
Speaker 1: You know, what you consider rich? You know, what what
Speaker 1: what you could consider are you rich? And what you
Speaker 1: you wealthy? And what you know and like for example,
Speaker 1: like growing up in the projects in New Orleans. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't change any of that, except for you know, the
Speaker 1: violence and emerges. Of course, I didn't know. I wasn't
Speaker 1: I was poor, you know, I didn't. I didn't know
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything. You know. I was fortunate to
Speaker 1: me and my brother was the only two kids, you know,
Speaker 1: in the project to have their mother and father living
Speaker 1: in the house. So we were happy, you know, we
Speaker 1: we were. We were exciting until we got to age
Speaker 1: so want different stuff and and and and try to
Speaker 1: get different things. So we realized, okay, we we are poor,
Speaker 1: but everybody around us was poor, so we didn't know.
Speaker 1: We felt like we were doing good. I think um
Speaker 1: people value different things, just like in Sri Lanka. They
Speaker 1: you know, they they probably didn't value um money and
Speaker 1: material things. They value family, uh, relationship, friends, love, you know,
Speaker 1: and so to them. Now they're wealthy. You see it
Speaker 1: all the time. The people with the most money have
Speaker 1: the most problems, you know, the people who are so
Speaker 1: wealthy they're happy. And sometimes you know, boom, you got
Speaker 1: this big old house and all this money, but you're
Speaker 1: sitting in that room alone. Who cares? Like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm from New Orleans. I grew up with this group
Speaker 1: of people who went through the stage with me when
Speaker 1: we were younger. Those are my friends still to this day.
Speaker 1: I can call, text or whatever with them to this day,
Speaker 1: and it's it's about, you know, those relationships and those
Speaker 1: friendships and being being wealthy. Wealth that's the wealth you need.
Speaker 1: I think that's what some people look at. And also
Speaker 1: you can't and you're for nothing that you never had,
Speaker 1: you know, so you make the best out of the
Speaker 1: situation that you're in. So like, of course, like now
Speaker 1: I can be like, oh man, I don't have this anymore,
Speaker 1: that anymore, and then you're sad. But like, I'm happy
Speaker 1: because of the friendships. I'm happy because of everything I've done.
Speaker 1: I'm happy because of the role and the thing I'm
Speaker 1: building for my kids in the next generation, you know,
Speaker 1: like like yeah, like it's cool. Like I used to
Speaker 1: always want to buy sneakers and stuff. Now I can
Speaker 1: get any sneaker out one and I refused to buy sneakers.
Speaker 1: I have to say I want a same pair of
Speaker 1: Vans or team issue Nikes all the time. And you
Speaker 1: can get me to not have my mom try to
Speaker 1: go stand in line for those New Jordans for two
Speaker 1: days when I was younger, But like I understand, like now, no,
Speaker 1: it's about my kids being happy, it's about my wife
Speaker 1: being happy. It's about making others happy. It's about putting
Speaker 1: smiles on other people face, you know, like that, Like
Speaker 1: that's that's what's important to me. And that's what I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people figure out. You just gotta
Speaker 1: figure out what makes you rich inside, what makes you wealthy? What?
Speaker 1: What's what makes you a billionaire in your heart? And
Speaker 1: once you realize what that is, you're such a happier
Speaker 1: person and so many things don't matter and we all
Speaker 1: have to figure out what that is. You know, how
Speaker 1: much is enough? You know what what you you know,
Speaker 1: get what you need to give to with uncomfortable and
Speaker 1: be okay with that, but you know, wake up every
Speaker 1: day and enjoy yourself. Just like right now with the pandemic,
Speaker 1: like you know, I haven't been able to travel as much,
Speaker 1: but I got to coach my son's tea ball team.
Speaker 1: That was I would get emotion now. I was so
Speaker 1: happy to be able to coach his tea ball team.
Speaker 1: Now it was controlled chaos, you know, but to be
Speaker 1: able to coach his tea ball team. I felt so
Speaker 1: fulfilled and that was bigger than any truckload of gifts
Speaker 1: I can give him for Christmas, his birthday to be
Speaker 1: able to be on the sideline and coach his tea
Speaker 1: ball game. So I'm rich and I'm wealthy in in
Speaker 1: that aspect. That means more to me than you mean hours,
Speaker 1: because that's something he's going to remember forever. So I
Speaker 1: think that's I think for me personally, I think that's
Speaker 1: what it is is what you considered, well, what what
Speaker 1: you happy about, what makes you rich and heart is
Speaker 1: that's why people without money are sometimes happening people with money.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. What do you think her? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to follow what he just said.
Speaker 1: I agree with everything that he just said. But it's
Speaker 1: funny that we that you mentioned about you talk about
Speaker 1: the things that we're rich in, because that's kind of
Speaker 1: what you know. This book that I just wrote in
Speaker 1: on September nine that came out, Cracking a Rich Code,
Speaker 1: Volume four, speaking and my chapter in the book. There's
Speaker 1: twenty other authors, but the authors there's Kevin Harrington, Jim Britt.
Speaker 1: There's twenty other authors, but my chapters titled the kindest
Speaker 1: ridge to wealth. And it's not about how much money
Speaker 1: you have, you know, And every person that has written
Speaker 1: the chapter in that book has different variations of what riches.
Speaker 1: And it's never really about money, you know, It's about
Speaker 1: finding your purpose. It's about finding your reason to get
Speaker 1: up and get moving every single day, which I found
Speaker 1: post globetrot to career. You know, early on, for that
Speaker 1: first year, I didn't know what, you know, what to do.
Speaker 1: You know, I was in a in a world wind
Speaker 1: in my mind trying to figure out how to put
Speaker 1: together all the pieces of the things I had accumulated
Speaker 1: over the course of that eighteen to twenty years. But
Speaker 1: once I figured it out, I found my purpose. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, I went from a person used to sleep
Speaker 1: to twelve o'clock in the afternoon who can't wait to
Speaker 1: get up to see the sunrise. So these are the
Speaker 1: shifts that happened, you know, along the course of your life.
Speaker 1: And now you know, I would, you know, make make
Speaker 1: a good living. I'm rich in that. I'm rich in
Speaker 1: good health, you know, my kids are doing well, my
Speaker 1: family as well. So these are the things that I'm
Speaker 1: rich in, and these are the things that I value
Speaker 1: and when you're riching these things, the monetary things will
Speaker 1: come along. I love that. So how did you find
Speaker 1: your purpose? Because I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 1: hit a spot like you did when you've had a
Speaker 1: very strong career, a very much of an identity career,
Speaker 1: like being a Harlem globe trotter is an identity career,
Speaker 1: like when when they when people meet you and they
Speaker 1: know your Harlem globe trotter, that's exciting. People are excited
Speaker 1: to talk about that. It's definitely a defining piece of
Speaker 1: who you are, but it's obviously not who you are.
Speaker 1: So what do you do when you've been in this defining,
Speaker 1: defined career for so long and then you refined your
Speaker 1: purpose because you said it took you about a year,
Speaker 1: And like, how how did you find your purpose in
Speaker 1: that transition? Because I feel a lot of people get
Speaker 1: to that place and they don't know what to do
Speaker 1: or how to move to the next chapter. Well, A
Speaker 1: big part of a big part of it was reflecting.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was going back being grateful, being thankful
Speaker 1: for the opportunity. You know, in the beginning, I was
Speaker 1: a little bit disappointed when it ended because I didn't
Speaker 1: know where to go, but immediately being able to reflect
Speaker 1: is like saying, oh, when I came in, I took
Speaker 1: somebody else position, What did they go through? I was
Speaker 1: lucky enough to hold that position for eighteen years, probably
Speaker 1: a few years longer than I should have. But once
Speaker 1: I left, it opened up the door for some on
Speaker 1: else to be able to come in and you know,
Speaker 1: and sharing that opportunity. So I mean what I mean
Speaker 1: that that's a blessing. That's a way to not be
Speaker 1: selfish and realized that you do have a purpose. All
Speaker 1: the things that I learned along the course of that
Speaker 1: eighteen years are now things that I'm doing because I
Speaker 1: enjoyed them. I figured out the way to do it
Speaker 1: my way. They gave me the blueprint. Now I get
Speaker 1: to make that blueprint bread for me, and I get
Speaker 1: to make that blueprint print better for my family and
Speaker 1: all those hosts to me. And once I take care
Speaker 1: of home, like Nate said, everything else will take care
Speaker 1: of itself and it brenches out like a treat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so true. It's all perspective, it's all getting right
Speaker 1: in your mind. What did you guys? What was y'all
Speaker 1: secret to success on being such a dynamic duel on
Speaker 1: the Amazing Race, because a lot of people go on
Speaker 1: the Amazing Race and they com completely self destruct. They
Speaker 1: each other apart, they hate each other, They're yelling at
Speaker 1: each other the whole time, and they can't get on
Speaker 1: the same page and work as a team. You guys
Speaker 1: were such a strong team, and y'all were such strong teammates.
Speaker 1: You were so good at respecting and working together and
Speaker 1: playing off of each other's strengths. How did you get
Speaker 1: to that mindset? Because I feel like that is so
Speaker 1: crucial in life to be able to operate in that
Speaker 1: way instead of in the negative way. I think um
Speaker 1: our relationship UM was strong beforehand, Like you know what
Speaker 1: we had in college. He went to school in Louisiana,
Speaker 1: sitt Ary coach Billy Kennedy was his coach, UM. And
Speaker 1: when I went to you when little younger than her.
Speaker 1: So when I went a lot younger than her. So
Speaker 1: when I went to school, when I went to school
Speaker 1: at UM South Eastern Louisiana, I had the same head coach, Um,
Speaker 1: and so I knew of her. I used to walk
Speaker 1: in his office and I would see a globtry to
Speaker 1: picture of her behind him in his office for two
Speaker 1: and a half years. And then when I and so
Speaker 1: when I got the opportunity to come a home and
Speaker 1: girl try to the first thing happened was HERB called
Speaker 1: me and he was like, yeah, you know I was
Speaker 1: coach Kennedy called me, So you're gonna join the team.
Speaker 1: And we build a relationship from there. Um natural, you know,
Speaker 1: and we was friends well alone before the race, you know,
Speaker 1: four or five years. You know, her was the best
Speaker 1: man at my wedding. You know, so like we have
Speaker 1: a true like relationship, but beyond a friendship, like that's
Speaker 1: that's what's my best friend. So, um, it was easy
Speaker 1: for us to go on there. We already know how
Speaker 1: to disagree. We know, we disagree in the locker room.
Speaker 1: You know, we disagree on the court, We disagree on
Speaker 1: the bus. We did so we know, like at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you gotta keep moving and and
Speaker 1: it's love. You know, it was love. It was never
Speaker 1: you know, nothing he's saying during the race on you know,
Speaker 1: in front of millions of people, what's gonna be something
Speaker 1: he's trying to hurt. He's trying to help me, and
Speaker 1: vice versa. No matter what he said, no matter how
Speaker 1: I felt um well, even if we had to stick
Speaker 1: a pin in it and talk about it when we
Speaker 1: got back to the hotel when the camera was off.
Speaker 1: But we and we know we was representing and kids
Speaker 1: look up to us too also, so we would and
Speaker 1: that's who we are, not you Like if you see
Speaker 1: you know you got flight timing being easy. But if
Speaker 1: you see Natan heard, you don't see the same thing
Speaker 1: we don't put on the show. Anybody who knows personally,
Speaker 1: they know who we are personally. Now you're gonna get
Speaker 1: the same thing no matter what. So it was easy
Speaker 1: for us to transition to do it on TV because
Speaker 1: we just no matter what, you gotta be yourself. And
Speaker 1: I think people couldn't realize who's who's not authentic on
Speaker 1: the show. Like from from when I watched the show,
Speaker 1: I could tell when somebody putting on for the camera
Speaker 1: and and they had people around us who would do
Speaker 1: stuff to us, and then cameras that go off and
Speaker 1: be like, man, I hope your fans are not mad
Speaker 1: at me, or they will apologize to us on screen
Speaker 1: to just because you know they they they don't want
Speaker 1: the fans to be mad at it. And I don't
Speaker 1: think we did that. We did everything for real, like
Speaker 1: I was representing my family. He was representing his family.
Speaker 1: You know, he was representing his mother. I was representing
Speaker 1: my mother. If I did anything crazy disrespectful to heart,
Speaker 1: my mother would slap me in my head. And his
Speaker 1: mother went too. So there's no way I was taking
Speaker 1: that chance of doing that crazy like that. Also, I
Speaker 1: think one of the things that they mentioned earlier about
Speaker 1: uh like expectations and not. We never went into that
Speaker 1: race counting that money as if, oh, we have to
Speaker 1: win the million dollars and we when we in the
Speaker 1: million dollars, we're gonna do X, y and z. We
Speaker 1: went into the race to you know, enjoy ourselves, having
Speaker 1: a good time, and if that money, you know, comes,
Speaker 1: then it would have come. Of course, we would have loved,
Speaker 1: you know, to win the money. But that's not what
Speaker 1: it's all about. Some of those teams going there thinking
Speaker 1: we have to win, we have to win, putting that
Speaker 1: added pressure on themselves, and once things don't start to
Speaker 1: go the right way, they start to think, we're about
Speaker 1: to lose the money. We're about to lose the money,
Speaker 1: and then they start to yell at the part and
Speaker 1: it just trickles down. So that's one of the first
Speaker 1: things you have to think realize you have to go
Speaker 1: in and expect him to enjoy the experience. And when
Speaker 1: you get to a certain point of the race, you
Speaker 1: do click into like we are getting close to the money.
Speaker 1: But me and him, we never went into it saying
Speaker 1: that's our money. We gotta take it as whoever comes in,
Speaker 1: you know, first place at the at the last leg
Speaker 1: of the race, and we came close, but but still
Speaker 1: no cigar. But at the end of the day, if
Speaker 1: we'd have won the first time or the second time,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have had an opportunity to do it a
Speaker 1: third time. And I probably wouldn't have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: play for an additional eight years. And they's ugly face
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't still be running up. True, Um, you you
Speaker 1: brought You brought up a really great point, Nate and
Speaker 1: I would love to talk about this. You said, y'all
Speaker 1: know how to disagree, And I feel like that's a
Speaker 1: part of life. We're not all going to get along
Speaker 1: with each other. We're not all gonna see things from
Speaker 1: the same perspective. There's a new different reasons why we
Speaker 1: all have have a different thought in our mind on
Speaker 1: how things should be. But learning how to disagree in
Speaker 1: a respectful way truly a talent that I feel like
Speaker 1: many people lack so and sometimes I even lack it.
Speaker 1: Like I find myself, I'm like, why did I just
Speaker 1: respond immaturely? Like I? Why am I not? Because? Like?
Speaker 1: Why am I? I I? Disagreeing and having conflict in a
Speaker 1: more loving way? Because just because you're disagreeing doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you want the other person to be wrong or they're
Speaker 1: an idiot? Did you disagree? So? How do you guys
Speaker 1: disagree and how do you stay at a high energy
Speaker 1: level when you aren't seeing things out to eye? Um?
Speaker 1: I think for me, UM, when I was younger, my
Speaker 1: my mother and father they could not disagree correctly. Um.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of yelling and and a lot
Speaker 1: of words you shouldn't probably be saying to someone you love.
Speaker 1: And and you know, I love both of my parents.
Speaker 1: My dad passed away right before we did the race
Speaker 1: the first time. And I've always said, you know, when
Speaker 1: I was As I get older, when my relationships, especially
Speaker 1: when I have kids, I'm not gonna be disagreeing and
Speaker 1: augentent fussing and fighting like that in front of my
Speaker 1: kids are an ear shot. And I think in order
Speaker 1: to do that, you have to have uh, you gotta
Speaker 1: talk to your partner, your friend, you your related whoever
Speaker 1: you have a relationship friendship with and have an understand
Speaker 1: it all. Just talk about you know, with me and
Speaker 1: my wife. You know, my wife's a psychologe too, so um,
Speaker 1: you know you you you have conversation, you say, hey, like,
Speaker 1: this is what we want and in life, that's what
Speaker 1: we want in this great relationship, friendship, marriage, whatever. And
Speaker 1: you said you have to talk about it because you're
Speaker 1: going to disagree. It's healthy to disagree. I think. I
Speaker 1: think there's no way you should everybody should agree on everything.
Speaker 1: No way. Like my dad used to always say, well,
Speaker 1: if your girl, if your girlfriend, UM, don't fight with you.
Speaker 1: That means you fight with somebody else, you know, so
Speaker 1: you need you need to leave her alone, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. She loves somebody else. So I think
Speaker 1: you have to disagree. You have to um have those things,
Speaker 1: but you have to talk about it. And when whenever
Speaker 1: you have a disagreement, and then was the way that
Speaker 1: you vote, don't like and you feel so bad about it?
Speaker 1: And he was yelling at each other whatever you was doing,
Speaker 1: that's okay, that's a lesson. That's a lesson. You said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I feel like this. I felt when
Speaker 1: you said this, and then he or she say whatever
Speaker 1: they say in return. Then you said, you know what,
Speaker 1: We're not gonna fight. We're not gonna argue like that again.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do this again. And I think for
Speaker 1: me and her, like we chilled, you know, like her,
Speaker 1: I never her never, you know, gets raised his voice
Speaker 1: to get too crazy, you know, a few situations, and
Speaker 1: I did a little bit coming from my background, would
Speaker 1: get a little rotting. And I think her helped call
Speaker 1: me down my first couple of years on the team
Speaker 1: with that um and I think it was just a
Speaker 1: match made heaven with us. I think it was. And
Speaker 1: we him talk. We also talked before the race. Even
Speaker 1: though we never had a drag out for us out
Speaker 1: fight argument, we still say, listen, if this happened, that
Speaker 1: is how we're gonna handle it. And I think that's important.
Speaker 1: Even though we have never had an issue, we still
Speaker 1: communicate about it. And now it happens, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: we agreed to not do it this way, and I
Speaker 1: think you do it in your house, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to have a blueprint of Okay, when things get tricky
Speaker 1: or this gets hard and we're in the heat at
Speaker 1: the moment, we're going to handle it like this. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna go and go with this mindset that's smart
Speaker 1: to prepare. Yeah, I mean, I love that that they
Speaker 1: said we we learned how to disagree, because I mean,
Speaker 1: what's what what's happening in the world. We we all
Speaker 1: have to learn to to disagree. Everything doesn't have to
Speaker 1: go the way that we wanted to go. And that's
Speaker 1: when I mean, I talked about that in my book.
Speaker 1: When people when you're not doing what people think that
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be doing, you're an a hole. But
Speaker 1: when you're doing exactly what they want you to doing, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're the best you know, supposed to be doing they
Speaker 1: think you're supposed to be doing. You're the best person
Speaker 1: in the world. But everything doesn't have to go our way.
Speaker 1: We have to be able to see things from other
Speaker 1: people's perspectives. And when you're able to actually see things
Speaker 1: from other people's perspectives, it gives you in a different
Speaker 1: view and a different outlook on things, like different experiences
Speaker 1: from the way people were raised. Like you know Nate's background,
Speaker 1: my background, they were similar, but they were different. You know,
Speaker 1: Nate came from the projects. He had his mom and
Speaker 1: his dad. I came up into projects. I had my mom.
Speaker 1: My dad was in Texas, but we still had some
Speaker 1: of the similar experiences. My dad was still there. It's just,
Speaker 1: I mean, so many things in life that we have
Speaker 1: to learn to realize that we have to take other
Speaker 1: people's perspectives and things, and things aren't always as comfortable
Speaker 1: as they may seem to us or as uncomfortable. And
Speaker 1: I think those are some experiences that we got from
Speaker 1: the amazing race, as well as traveling around the world,
Speaker 1: being able to see different perspectives, being able to see India,
Speaker 1: being able to see Sri Lanka. You know, I remember
Speaker 1: Nate's first year traveling to India and him saying as
Speaker 1: we're looking out, as we're looking out the window on
Speaker 1: the bus in India, he's just come from Hurricane Katrina
Speaker 1: and saying, man, I just came from Hurricane Katrina. And
Speaker 1: it's like this every day, like I'll never forget that.
Speaker 1: That's one of the moments in my life. On the
Speaker 1: bus in India that I will never forget that he
Speaker 1: could be that humble right after that experience and realized
Speaker 1: how fortunately he was at the and you knowing at
Speaker 1: that time being one of the most unfortunate people in
Speaker 1: America having to escape from American katrain them. That is
Speaker 1: so true And Okay, that kind of leads me to
Speaker 1: another question, why gratitude? Even in the worst situation, you're
Speaker 1: finding gratitude, And I feel like that is such a
Speaker 1: secret to happiness and everyone who's truly living a happy,
Speaker 1: fulfilled life I feel like has immense gratitude and enjoy
Speaker 1: and their gratitude basically it sees is able to see
Speaker 1: the good out of the bad situation. But sometimes situations
Speaker 1: are just bad and you're just in the middle of
Speaker 1: it being bad. But how do you get to where
Speaker 1: you can see their gratitude? Because right now you're saying
Speaker 1: this to her, there is so much conflict in the
Speaker 1: world right now, there's so much separation intention and I
Speaker 1: for me, it really weighs on my heart because I
Speaker 1: just don't I want everyone to be able to come
Speaker 1: unicate sort of like we're talking about, and like, why
Speaker 1: can't we all just talk? Why can't we all just
Speaker 1: see what what needs to happen for the good of
Speaker 1: the whole and work together and like, but there's so
Speaker 1: many other things at play, and there's just it's just
Speaker 1: such a big, messy world we live in. Why does
Speaker 1: it have to be bad? Like? Why do we have
Speaker 1: to go through these bad suffering periods? I feel like
Speaker 1: it's just a common theme in life, Like there's just suffering.
Speaker 1: But then, like you're saying, you can see the gratitude
Speaker 1: in your life, like, wow, I went through her a
Speaker 1: go Kntrina, But here's this situation that feels like even
Speaker 1: maybe worse, Like why does all this exist? I know
Speaker 1: that's a really broad question, but like I just can't
Speaker 1: grab my head around it sometimes why we live in
Speaker 1: this world of so much pain and suffering? But then
Speaker 1: it feels like it's a part of it too. Did
Speaker 1: that make any sense? I just totally rambled on the circle.
Speaker 1: Now I think it did. I think what what you're
Speaker 1: saying is and how I look at it is, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta crawl before you walk. You know,
Speaker 1: you you gotta in order to and the best thing
Speaker 1: about winning anything is the journey. You know. I know
Speaker 1: that sounds cliche, but yes, you know I yes, my
Speaker 1: dad got hurt. Um, but you know I was. Now
Speaker 1: I know how to take care of my family for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life because of those two years
Speaker 1: taking the responsibility to go and wash dishes and acting
Speaker 1: and watch your house. Yes, Hurricane Katrina hit, Um, I
Speaker 1: lost everything. Um, but because of Herricane Katrina, the Globe
Speaker 1: Trials was doing at Churnity event in Houston for the
Speaker 1: victors of Hurricane Katrina. I was in Houston. I got
Speaker 1: to try with the team. If I wasn't in, I
Speaker 1: would never try out with the Glow Triers. If I
Speaker 1: it's Katrina didn't happen, So boom, that's a positive from that.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, so many things happened, like yes,
Speaker 1: this bad thing happened, but you gotta find out the
Speaker 1: good thing. Yes to the pandemic. I can't travel for
Speaker 1: six months. Um, and it's and people are dying and
Speaker 1: all those bad things, which sucks so bad. Um, I'm home.
Speaker 1: I've never been home in twenty years. This is the
Speaker 1: first time I've been home for six months in twenty years.
Speaker 1: You know. If Glove Trials in college, so it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I get to read my my son's a bad
Speaker 1: time story. Every night I get to go have lunch
Speaker 1: with my wife. Um, I get to you know, go
Speaker 1: and play some golf. You know, like you guys that
Speaker 1: you have to look at the good and everything because
Speaker 1: if not, like like Herb said, like like mentally, you know,
Speaker 1: you you you're gonna you're gonna be dowmbining yourself. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. So you have to try to think
Speaker 1: like no matter what, something's good is gonna happen out
Speaker 1: or something bad, Like every in my life has been
Speaker 1: bad good well quote not bad, but unfortunate, something come
Speaker 1: out of it. It gives you the lessons you need
Speaker 1: to appreciate everything you have and everything you went through
Speaker 1: to get those things. Like you know, I wouldn't appreciate
Speaker 1: where I live and all the stuff that I have
Speaker 1: if I didn't grow up how I grew up. You know,
Speaker 1: if if I grew up you know a different way
Speaker 1: for me personally then you know, having uh you know,
Speaker 1: like I was just the other day, I was sitting
Speaker 1: down and I was sitting with my sons in their playroom.
Speaker 1: You know, um, their playroom. It's the size of the
Speaker 1: apartment I grew up in. You know, and I was
Speaker 1: just sitting there by myself, messing with um P J
Speaker 1: mask or something. You know, I was cleaning up and
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, like they have a playroom, Like
Speaker 1: that's that's awesome. You know. But if I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: went through what I went through, I wouldn't even appreciate that.
Speaker 1: If I grew up with a playroom, I wouldn't appreciate
Speaker 1: that playroom. And you know, if I if I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been through through this, if I wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: through Katrina, I wouldn't mentally, I wouldn't be prepared for
Speaker 1: the pandemic. I understand, like I lost everything, so if
Speaker 1: I lose everything again, like it's okay, I know that's
Speaker 1: this material stuff. My family's here, you know, everybody's healthy,
Speaker 1: like and and I think it goes back to that,
Speaker 1: like everything is, yes, this bad stuff happening, you have
Speaker 1: to figure out and understand and taking the bad stuff,
Speaker 1: don't overlook it, don't act like it's not happening. That's
Speaker 1: the part of dealing talk about it. I think the
Speaker 1: most important thing with me is being able to talk
Speaker 1: to someone about those things. Even when I said that
Speaker 1: on the bus about Um, Katrina and being in India,
Speaker 1: that was me getting that out talking to her about it.
Speaker 1: You know, like if something going on, but you you
Speaker 1: have to go speak to someone and and and talking
Speaker 1: to expert, going to a psychologist, psychiatrist. That's important when
Speaker 1: you're filling down when those bad things are happening. Like like
Speaker 1: like you said, it's just bad, it's just bad. It's
Speaker 1: just bad. But it's been bad. It's been bad for
Speaker 1: somebody forty years ago, four hundred years ago. It's been
Speaker 1: worse for other people. You know, it's it's going to
Speaker 1: be bad. But what can we do to you know,
Speaker 1: come out like this The other day, UM, one of
Speaker 1: one of my person I met at a globe try
Speaker 1: to game and Denver. He's from New Orleans. UM, his son,
Speaker 1: his son has um diagnosed with autism. His oldest son,
Speaker 1: you know, five years old, six eleve years old. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, we used to be the center of attention,
Speaker 1: but now they had to dedicate so much to the kids,
Speaker 1: you know, who had special needs. And I went over
Speaker 1: there and you know, they and I just you know,
Speaker 1: I spent this some tricks and everything socially. This is
Speaker 1: of course, and the mother she cried well when I
Speaker 1: was leaving, because she was happy that we was able
Speaker 1: to do that for her son. And so even though
Speaker 1: all this bad stuff is going on, even though they're
Speaker 1: dealing with all these things with their other son, she's
Speaker 1: able to have a moment of yes, like, my son
Speaker 1: is happy, he's he's rich, he's wealthy in this moment.
Speaker 1: And where now like Nate came over, did this with him,
Speaker 1: and that's what that makes me happy. I can't travel,
Speaker 1: I can't go and put on these shows, but I
Speaker 1: just did this one thing with this kid right now
Speaker 1: in his backyard, and I see the reaction has had
Speaker 1: to his mother, Like Okay, everything's gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: Everything's gonna be all right. Every little small thing is
Speaker 1: gonna equal to a big thing of everything's going to
Speaker 1: be all right. And you have to think that way.
Speaker 1: If not, you're gonna stay still, you're going to be miserable.
Speaker 1: That's so true. You have to think that way. You're
Speaker 1: gonna stay still and be miserable. And I love that
Speaker 1: and I love hearing that perspective, and I think it's
Speaker 1: so important. What are some tips that you guys do
Speaker 1: to pull yourself out of funks? Like when you're starting
Speaker 1: to feel overwhelmed and like the world feels like it's
Speaker 1: going to hell in a handbag and there's all this
Speaker 1: shit happening. I love what you said that you you
Speaker 1: you go back into your mind what you've overcome and
Speaker 1: how it went from overcoming to a blessing, overcoming to
Speaker 1: a blessing. But it's all about the mindset, and it's
Speaker 1: all about the way you move through those situations. What
Speaker 1: are some tricks and tips that you do when you
Speaker 1: are in the middle of the overcoming, when it's not good,
Speaker 1: when things are bad, when it feels like it's falling apart,
Speaker 1: what do you do in your mind? Like, how do
Speaker 1: you get right in your mind? Well for me, for me, Caroline,
Speaker 1: I'll jump in on this. One of the things that
Speaker 1: I do is, and it may seem a little bit weird.
Speaker 1: I reflect back to when I was a kid, you know,
Speaker 1: when I'm like five six years old and there was
Speaker 1: not really anything that I had to worry about. I
Speaker 1: go back to that uh, creative space of mind where
Speaker 1: I used to dream, you know, and envision what the
Speaker 1: world would look like when I am, you know, at
Speaker 1: this point of my life. And if you know, they
Speaker 1: talked about the pandemic. Through the pandemic, one of the things,
Speaker 1: a few of the things I started to do is meditate.
Speaker 1: I meditate every day now at least fifteen to thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: I walk, you know, when I'm not when i'm I
Speaker 1: walk every day. But that gives me time to clear
Speaker 1: my head and I turn off the TV. I give
Speaker 1: myself again five minutes of what's happening in the world,
Speaker 1: and then I cut it off and I start solving
Speaker 1: for the things that I can solve for right there, immediate,
Speaker 1: you know, within my grass. So I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: those are some of the tricks. We have to be
Speaker 1: able to go back and reflect and clear head and
Speaker 1: remember when we didn't have so much to worry about.
Speaker 1: And we also have to remember the feeling that we
Speaker 1: have when we're not worried, and we have to realize
Speaker 1: that that feeling that we're having of anxiety, it's going
Speaker 1: to go away, you know, it's going to go away.
Speaker 1: For as painful as it may be in that moment,
Speaker 1: it's eventually going to go away. So you have to
Speaker 1: change that that mindset, you know, in your mind as well.
Speaker 1: Those are a couple of tricks that I use meditation, reading, walking, exercising. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and I and I and I talked to people who
Speaker 1: make me laugh. I watch comedy. You know. I have
Speaker 1: a hunt in Arkansas. I try to contact her every
Speaker 1: day because I know that she's gonna bring me joy
Speaker 1: in some kind of you know, a way when I'm down.
Speaker 1: So reach out to the people who bring you joy,
Speaker 1: you know, help the people who are you know, down,
Speaker 1: But at the same time, try to be around people
Speaker 1: who are like minded like you and searching for the
Speaker 1: same joy. And happens that you're that you're searching for
Speaker 1: love that do you have any tricks? Oh? Um? I
Speaker 1: think the similar you know, I think, um this whenever
Speaker 1: something happened that's bad, something going on and you down, Um,
Speaker 1: and it might be tough. Just remember when you got
Speaker 1: through something else. You know that that's the main thing,
Speaker 1: Like if you know, okay, like you know, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna give you more than you can handle. So if
Speaker 1: you've been through this, you've been through that, you went
Speaker 1: through this stage to get to here, like not nothing
Speaker 1: is a pathway, no what, no matter if it's you know,
Speaker 1: relationship was deathinitely your family and financial stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody's been through something, no one has. Nobody has been
Speaker 1: perfect throughout So just go and dig into that and
Speaker 1: and talk to your friends, talk to your family, give
Speaker 1: yourself a break. And what we like to do with
Speaker 1: my family and my wife, we like to go go
Speaker 1: heights and I live in Colorado, so you know, we
Speaker 1: go up to Boulder. You know, we were walking the
Speaker 1: mountains with the kids, and you just break away from
Speaker 1: from the technology and everything. You're just being yourself. And
Speaker 1: and for me, I like to, you know, sit and
Speaker 1: just talk to my wife and just say, hey, like
Speaker 1: this is going on, what you think about this? You know,
Speaker 1: how can you help me? Even though she's a child
Speaker 1: psychologist and she might think I'm a child so time too,
Speaker 1: so it's maybe be easy, might be easy for her
Speaker 1: to diagnose me too. So so I just lean on
Speaker 1: I lean on her and and and just and just
Speaker 1: just and just trying to just be appreciative stuff. When
Speaker 1: things are going good, Like he said, when things are
Speaker 1: going good, you gotta be thankful, You gotta be appreciative.
Speaker 1: Find out how you can help somebody else in that moment,
Speaker 1: you know, and when things are going bad, you know,
Speaker 1: think back to when they're doing good and and and
Speaker 1: just realize that it's gonna come full circles ups and downs.
Speaker 1: You might be you know, might be at a downslope
Speaker 1: at that moment, but you know you're gonna go up.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna go up. So just always know
Speaker 1: you're gonna bounce back, and just just realize what's important
Speaker 1: to you, you know, like sometimes you can be down
Speaker 1: by something that that's not really that that important in
Speaker 1: the big picture, you know, and always put in perspective
Speaker 1: what makes you happy, Like I know right now, what
Speaker 1: makes me happy is being a around my kids, you know,
Speaker 1: talking to my daughters on the phone, you know, like
Speaker 1: hanging out. Like yesterday we just sat on the sofa
Speaker 1: all day and did nothing. That was the best thing
Speaker 1: in the world. Like always trying to go and do
Speaker 1: something and have something planning. Sometimes you need to sit
Speaker 1: down and just like her say, take a break, meditated
Speaker 1: and rebook, you know, and you know, because you got it.
Speaker 1: Like so many people lean on us, and I know
Speaker 1: so many people lean on her, but I know from
Speaker 1: the years of being with her and as a friend,
Speaker 1: and so many former teammates lean on him for advice
Speaker 1: and things that he do, but he has to make
Speaker 1: sure that he's healthy. He got to make sure that
Speaker 1: you know he's doing like like with the pandemic. My
Speaker 1: my wife said, like who's gonna be the therapy for
Speaker 1: the therapist? You know, like you know who's like the
Speaker 1: therapist helping everybody right now, But who's gonna who's gonna
Speaker 1: help them? So that's what you gotta look at. You
Speaker 1: gotta make sure you're taking care of yourself just to
Speaker 1: be unselfish and health care and help everyone, you know.
Speaker 1: So and how do you being influential people like you?
Speaker 1: Both are y'all both are so um. So many people
Speaker 1: lean on you, guys, so many people look to you
Speaker 1: for their joy, for their guidance. How do you not
Speaker 1: take on the weight of the world. How do you
Speaker 1: not take on every every every story and every heartbreak
Speaker 1: that you hear? And how do how do you not
Speaker 1: take it on in a negative way? How do you
Speaker 1: hear all these things? See all these things um exists
Speaker 1: with all these different people who are going through different
Speaker 1: stuff and not carry that burden, Like how do you
Speaker 1: make it a positive? Or I don't think that it's
Speaker 1: not that you that you carry their burden? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's there's so much going on. And also again I
Speaker 1: think it goes back to what can you solve within
Speaker 1: right there within your grasp, you know, it's you take
Speaker 1: a minute, you reflect on things, but you figure out
Speaker 1: a way that you know, whatever you're sad about doesn't
Speaker 1: happen to the people that you're close to, you know,
Speaker 1: and if you're taking care of them, then they're taking
Speaker 1: care of their people. Again, it just branches out. But
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's difficult. I don't think any of
Speaker 1: us or what's going on in the world, we have
Speaker 1: to put things in perspective, you know, because again, once
Speaker 1: you get captured into certain images or faces or parties
Speaker 1: that you see on television, these are things that can
Speaker 1: trigger things within your body that you didn't even know
Speaker 1: that could trigger you, you know, and why are you
Speaker 1: letting these things come into your home affect a relationship
Speaker 1: with the people that you can actually solve for. So
Speaker 1: so again, it just all reflects back to, you know,
Speaker 1: taking care of what you can take care of at home,
Speaker 1: and then you know, in the community, and then branching
Speaker 1: out from there, because if you start at home again,
Speaker 1: like Nate says, hey, it expands to where you can't help. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think like you said, when the burden of other
Speaker 1: people the question you asked like how you how you
Speaker 1: handle it? Um? I think you you When they when
Speaker 1: somebody coming to speak to you and talk to you
Speaker 1: about an issue that they're having, you might be the
Speaker 1: first person that they ever had spoken a word about
Speaker 1: what is going on to them. So in like you have,
Speaker 1: you're helping them right there. Sometimes you know, you you
Speaker 1: got something big enough on your shoulders to where you
Speaker 1: can take that. You can take that, You can take that,
Speaker 1: you can take that and you carry that because you
Speaker 1: know it's gonna help that person and the moment in
Speaker 1: the spot that they're in. In that moment, it's not
Speaker 1: the same spot you in. So you can take on
Speaker 1: that burden and talk to them and talk them through
Speaker 1: that and carry that on. And now whenever you talk
Speaker 1: to them about you helped him with, you use that
Speaker 1: for the next situation, the bigger burden, you know, and
Speaker 1: you can pull back on that situation that that person
Speaker 1: been through and say, you know what, I had this
Speaker 1: friend who did this, this, that, and this is how
Speaker 1: they survived that situation and oh, you know, or you
Speaker 1: direct them to the proper channels, you know, like and
Speaker 1: and you you let them know like, hey, like I'm
Speaker 1: not this and that I don't know everything. Maybe you
Speaker 1: should call this person to get this help. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a burden when you when you take all
Speaker 1: other people's stuff. I do think you have to be
Speaker 1: ready and there, and then you have to be healthy
Speaker 1: yourself mentally healthy yourself. Like I said, make sure you
Speaker 1: know you don't take it. You know it don't become
Speaker 1: a bad thing. Make sure everything you do take on
Speaker 1: is something you can handle. And you have somebody to
Speaker 1: go put your stuff on too, you know, because you
Speaker 1: can't just keep all your stuff inside when people are
Speaker 1: unloading on you. And I think it's a blessing to
Speaker 1: it's a blessing to be seen as the person who
Speaker 1: you can under that people can unload on and they
Speaker 1: trust you and and and they feel like you're positive
Speaker 1: and and you're gonna help them. I think that's a
Speaker 1: that's a honor, you know, I think that's an honor.
Speaker 1: You take that as an honor, Like this person is hurt,
Speaker 1: they wanna I need to call Caroline to talk about this, Like,
Speaker 1: you don't take that as like oh man, here we
Speaker 1: go again. I gotta listen to this. You take this
Speaker 1: as you know what they believe in me. They trust
Speaker 1: me that you know, one of your friends might call
Speaker 1: you and study their husband or their wife to help
Speaker 1: you help them. Like that's good. That means like, hey,
Speaker 1: like my parents, ready is the person to that people
Speaker 1: that trusted deepest darkens secrets with me and they want
Speaker 1: me to help them go to the light. Like that's
Speaker 1: not a bird, that's a blessing, you know. I think
Speaker 1: that's how you look at it. That's so true. And
Speaker 1: I think the key thing that you said for me
Speaker 1: is that I really registered with is that you have
Speaker 1: to make sure that you take care of yourself so
Speaker 1: that you can be that person for someone else. Like
Speaker 1: I can't just take everybody's stuff in and then just
Speaker 1: let it consume me and live with it. I have
Speaker 1: to figure out how to hear it, be their support people,
Speaker 1: support people, but then also let it go in a
Speaker 1: way where it doesn't consume me and make me not
Speaker 1: effective to be a helpful person. Mhm. So that's that's
Speaker 1: a good piece of advice that I am gonna really internalized.
Speaker 1: Amy is doing a good job with you Nate, But
Speaker 1: what does it like being married? Psychologist? Right now? Bring
Speaker 1: out Today's only a day. She's at the taking care
Speaker 1: of herself. You know, she's going what she's practicing, what
Speaker 1: she preaches. She she got just said he something. It's good.
Speaker 1: It's good. You guys both are very enlightened. Y'all are
Speaker 1: very wise, very um It's just a mix of probably
Speaker 1: your entire lives. You have seen so much and you
Speaker 1: have done so much, and on top of like just
Speaker 1: your life experiences, the mental work that you both have done.
Speaker 1: You all are both so aware of cycles and mentality
Speaker 1: and mindset. It's really really a blessing for me to
Speaker 1: get to talk to you all. I mean, obviously I've
Speaker 1: loved you guys since the Amazing Race and I it
Speaker 1: will be fans in a doory offer life. But to
Speaker 1: be friends with you guys on this level and to
Speaker 1: hear how your mind works and how you guys maneuver
Speaker 1: this world and all the different situations that you both
Speaker 1: have been in, it's really inspiring. And I just I
Speaker 1: feel like y'all are such a blessing to this world
Speaker 1: and I am so appreciate. I'm so lucky to know y'all,
Speaker 1: and I just find I find it so um amazing
Speaker 1: that you guys are using your lives and shining in
Speaker 1: the way that you are truly helping so many people
Speaker 1: just by being the lights that you are. And that's
Speaker 1: really awesome. Thank you. Appreciate you know, we we don't
Speaker 1: get to speak to you enough. I mean it all
Speaker 1: goes back to self self improvement. I mean we have to, uh,
Speaker 1: I mean for myself. Once I retired, I begin to
Speaker 1: read more. You know, I just finished reading Purpose Driven Life.
Speaker 1: I'm listening to the Four Agreements. I'm halfway through The Alchemist,
Speaker 1: which I just got the other days. So it's just
Speaker 1: given me a different aspect and I just suffer and think. Man,
Speaker 1: I had all those times on the bus when I
Speaker 1: really didn't read, and so much time that I wasted,
Speaker 1: But I guess it wasn't wasting. I was taking in
Speaker 1: and gathering things that they as they come. But now
Speaker 1: I get to actually reflect and figure out, you know
Speaker 1: now that I'm actually living because I'm living for others
Speaker 1: and not for myself. I love that. So I have
Speaker 1: like a couple more questions and I'll wrap up because
Speaker 1: obviously you'll have other things to do when your life
Speaker 1: besides talk to me, although I've loved this conversation so
Speaker 1: much all day, what are What is a moment that
Speaker 1: has marked time in your life where when you think
Speaker 1: about it, it is one of just a perfect moment.
Speaker 1: It was a moment that just was perfect and it
Speaker 1: made you feel everything you wanted to feel. What was
Speaker 1: that moment um? For me, it goes back to I
Speaker 1: think maybe my first ship with the Globe Triers losing Sacramento.
Speaker 1: Who was doing and make a wid the event with
Speaker 1: the Make a Witch Foundation at the Sacramento Kings Arena
Speaker 1: and um a kid. I walked up to him. His
Speaker 1: name was Michael, and me didn't say much, but me
Speaker 1: and him went by on the side by herself and
Speaker 1: we shot hoops. We shot hoops, we shot hoop, we
Speaker 1: shot hoops and at the end he said thank you
Speaker 1: when he walked off. And then next day we was
Speaker 1: flying out and his mother walked up to me in
Speaker 1: the airport and she was like, uh, you know, that's
Speaker 1: my son and you know he been diagnosed with this
Speaker 1: and that was his first time saying a word in
Speaker 1: eight months. He hadn't he was he was for eight months.
Speaker 1: He hadn't say the word. And and it's crazy now
Speaker 1: I think he's like eighteen nineteen. We still keep in touch.
Speaker 1: He built his first computer at fourteen, and and met him.
Speaker 1: We tax, we talked, and that moment right there let
Speaker 1: me know that, Um, it's it's bigger than anything you
Speaker 1: can do accomplished for yourself. Life is about what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do for others. And no matter what I do,
Speaker 1: that matter what I've done, and then and when I'm
Speaker 1: when I'm gone, Um, nothing else mattered, not the money,
Speaker 1: not the homes, at the cars, is the what is
Speaker 1: what I've done of people? So when I leave, I
Speaker 1: don't want them to say, man, he did this, he
Speaker 1: made this, he did this. I want them to tell
Speaker 1: stories about the time that they spent with me, about
Speaker 1: the time that I changed their life, and that that
Speaker 1: right there with Michael um And and Sacramento is with
Speaker 1: me forever, because that when I realized how special the
Speaker 1: Globe Trials were and how how special you know, I
Speaker 1: am as a person to where all I did was
Speaker 1: got to pick up the ball and shot with this kid.
Speaker 1: And and he you know, he hadn't spoken a word.
Speaker 1: And in eight months and now we text all the time,
Speaker 1: and he's building, and he's working out and all these things,
Speaker 1: and um that that was an awesome moment. And that's
Speaker 1: something that you know, I'll never forget and and and
Speaker 1: try to um recreate um naturally and organically. You know,
Speaker 1: any time I go anywhere and talk to anyone, I
Speaker 1: understand that they can walk away with a good experience,
Speaker 1: bad experience. And I want all this prayers to anybody
Speaker 1: have with me to always be good. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what I want to leave when I leave. That's
Speaker 1: when I leave here. Like no matter what anytime Carolina
Speaker 1: think about when she talked to Natan flight time, she
Speaker 1: canna always smile and be like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: don't care what you say, what you think, you've been through,
Speaker 1: what you've seen. I know that there was They're good
Speaker 1: people and and and that's what's about that's my prayers. Man,
Speaker 1: that's awesome, that's awesome. What about you? I'd probably say
Speaker 1: the birth of my kids and probably actually being there
Speaker 1: for the birth of my daughter. Just then the whole,
Speaker 1: the entire thing happened in realizing that I have bought
Speaker 1: a new life into the world, and my responsibilities were
Speaker 1: different and again. I mean it all goes back to,
Speaker 1: you know, dreaming as a kid of being a father someday,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the same advices I'm giving you know,
Speaker 1: my son right now at this point. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's just really a blessing to be able to see
Speaker 1: them and know that you're living for a you know,
Speaker 1: for a different purpose. And you know, my purpose in
Speaker 1: the conversation that I have with them is all always
Speaker 1: to ask questions. You know, I'm not always right. Your
Speaker 1: mothers always, you know, not always right. You get to
Speaker 1: ask questions. I get to learn, you know, from your experiences.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know, putting
Speaker 1: a life into this world is a great responsibility. And
Speaker 1: for me, that was the most memorable, i opening thing
Speaker 1: that happened in my life. And I'm just excited that
Speaker 1: even in my forties, you know, I've had a great
Speaker 1: twenty years before, but I get to show that my
Speaker 1: kids becau I'm still dreaming and still creating into my forties,
Speaker 1: something that us older people tend to forget sometimes we
Speaker 1: tend to go back and try to live vicariously through
Speaker 1: our kids and telling what we used to be able
Speaker 1: to do, what we could do, but we actually need
Speaker 1: to show them what we're doing now, you know, take
Speaker 1: responsibility for what we're doing now, and stop putting so
Speaker 1: much pressure on them to live, you know, to be
Speaker 1: what we were not because we still can't become what
Speaker 1: we want to be. Love that. I love that. You
Speaker 1: guys are amazing. Y'all are so amazing. I feel so
Speaker 1: thankful to have this bond with the offer ever from
Speaker 1: the amazing race that was truly such a special time
Speaker 1: of life and such a magical memory. Um. I wrap
Speaker 1: every podcast up with leave your Light? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Y'all dropped so much wisdom. But what I want people
Speaker 1: to know go ahead. I want people to know that
Speaker 1: kindness is free. Contness is free. It doesn't cost you
Speaker 1: a dime. I'm a kindness billionaire. I have more kindness
Speaker 1: in the world than anybody, I feel, and if we
Speaker 1: can all get on that level, we can all be
Speaker 1: kind as billionaires and realize that if we give kindness
Speaker 1: away with abundance, as we should, will never run out
Speaker 1: of it because there's plenty of it. It doesn't cost
Speaker 1: you a dime. So give it away a random act
Speaker 1: of kindness today hash tag kindness is free. And let's
Speaker 1: make this world a better place because we all get
Speaker 1: to make it a better place. I love that. UM,
Speaker 1: that's awesome, that's real cool. UM. I just want everybody
Speaker 1: know that. UM. No matter what's going on now, it's
Speaker 1: going to get greater later. Um. Whatever you have going
Speaker 1: on in your life, don't make an excuse, you know,
Speaker 1: make a change, you know, try try to try to
Speaker 1: be better that. Don't just sit down and be still
Speaker 1: and think like, Okay, it's over, you know. Try try
Speaker 1: to do something harder, work hard, be good. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram now, check me out on Instagram now
Speaker 1: trying to get him on Instagram forever. What's your handle?
Speaker 1: I started following you right away when her everybody follow
Speaker 1: What is your whatever? Buf of y'all's handles on Instagram?
Speaker 1: I forgot my actually forgot my mind? Is Nate men?
Speaker 1: I just got it a week ago. Uh let me
Speaker 1: tell you, Let me tell you real estate date or something.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. D A Trotter for the number four
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Speaker 1: know I'm a real intiant to training kids. I might
Speaker 1: start selling Dumbo to whatever y'all need. We can do it.
Speaker 1: Come on, how let your board motivation speaking. You can
Speaker 1: hire me, or you can hire me and Nate together.
Speaker 1: You can get two for one. We're doing everything. Hey,
Speaker 1: Carolina gig shout out to amazing race season third two
Speaker 1: coming up right now. We have to show this love
Speaker 1: because if we're not, then we wouldn't be talking as
Speaker 1: well as the whole pro Globe Trotter. You know they're
Speaker 1: not right now, but I know they're getting ready to
Speaker 1: try to crank things back up. And as soon as
Speaker 1: they get back uh you know, as soon as they
Speaker 1: get the okay, So we have to give a shout
Speaker 1: to the people who are part of the reason why
Speaker 1: we're here. That's right. Yeah, get your get your big
Speaker 1: easy jersey any other Globe trial jersey for Halloween. Um,
Speaker 1: you can't look this good, but you could come close.
Speaker 1: They can put some makeup on you and make you
Speaker 1: look like that. You'll scare a lot of You're starting
Speaker 1: a whole another thing. It's a different thing. Get the
Speaker 1: people what they want this Caroline. You tell Bobby Bones though, Man,
Speaker 1: my wife, you know she's a big fan. As I said,
Speaker 1: she is a psychologist and on her drop to cool
Speaker 1: she worked ten hour ships for a week and her
Speaker 1: job to work. I'm sorry to the hospital. She always
Speaker 1: you know, that's what she says, shes she loved Bobby Bones.
Speaker 1: That gets happy and she gets too smile before she
Speaker 1: walk in and do what you do. So you make
Speaker 1: sure you weren't on the call because her is gonna
Speaker 1: be on the show with me. Yeah, I know he
Speaker 1: was texting about that. Dude, hold on, we're talking to
Speaker 1: Bobby Bones now. I think that when I looked at
Speaker 1: when her for me the email for the link y'all
Speaker 1: missed the t in my name for the email. The
Speaker 1: email was on the wrong so I didn't get the
Speaker 1: email I saw in the one heard for me. But
Speaker 1: it's all good. I could get on there with him
Speaker 1: another time. Tell pick me up, happy white, happy life.
Speaker 1: I'll that's so true. I let him know that um,
Speaker 1: if he ever wants to talk to you, the most
Speaker 1: famous globetrotters already you're right here. Hello, Hello, you got
Speaker 1: the best looking one ever? Well you know who that is.
Speaker 1: You got me on that. Oh you guys. I love
Speaker 1: y'all so much. I really feel blessed to have y'all
Speaker 1: as friends forever friends when we when you have a
Speaker 1: moment like amazing race that like makes you friends for
Speaker 1: a lifetime and fire you both. I respect you both,
Speaker 1: and I am grateful to know y'all and follow your journeys.
Speaker 1: And thank you so much for coming on my podcast
Speaker 1: and dropping all of this wisdom. Oh my gosh, thanks
Speaker 1: for having if. We appreciate you know that. Shout out
Speaker 1: to you and your family and Poe Fall as well. Yea,
Speaker 1: thank you. Let's try to get a reunion one day.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, like, let's do it, let's do it.
Speaker 1: We should. I'm with it, let's do it. I would
Speaker 1: love it. I'm okay, love you guys. You'll have a
Speaker 1: break today. EMM