1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Chase that Lee. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: This is a Philly Show. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todds, The Lucky, It's the 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Philly Show. It is Friday, February thirteenth, twenty twenty six. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: But we are doing a little bit of an emergency 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: pod on Thursday night posting on Friday morning because the 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Phillies have finally officially parted ways with Nick Castianos. They 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: announced on Thursday afternoon that he has been released. A 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: relationship that was unsalvagable finally comes to an end. What's 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: your guys immediate reaction to this? 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: We all knew it was coming. We knew it was 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: coming as soon as the season ended. We knew it 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: was coming. But now it's finally happened. 14 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, A good word in your part. Unsalvagable. That to 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: the point where they had to eat twenty million dollars 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 3: and move on. There were no takers in the trade market. 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: Not surprised there, because you know, when a team is 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: so public about wanting to move a guy, you say, 19 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: I'll just wait till they release him. But when a 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: team is so public about moving a guy, you say, well, 21 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 3: do I really want this guy? I still think he 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: could swing the bat possibly help someone. But this was 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: an unavoidable circumstance that had been building all of twenty 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: twenty five and obviously reached ahead in Miami when Rob Thompson, 25 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 3: one of the most easy going managers in the history 26 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: of baseball, was forced to react and bench a guy, 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: thus ending his long consecutive game streak, just because the 28 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: actions in the dugout that night were so egregious that 29 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: he had to move in that direction, and things remained 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: tense for the rest of the season. Dave Dombroski right 31 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: after the season indicated that a change of scenery was coming. 32 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: He was unable to facilitate that via trade. So the 33 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: end of a end of an era. 34 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 4: Again not surprised. 35 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 5: I mean, it was very obvious that Nick Castianos and 36 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 5: the Phillies front office and the staff were no longer 37 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 5: a fit. 38 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 4: And I guess there was enough tension. 39 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 5: And enough quote unquote animosity, difference of opinion, almost a 40 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 5: little bit like a divorce where you you just don't 41 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 5: see eye to eye and you don't agree with some 42 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 5: of the things that were going on, and then relationship 43 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 5: basically deteriorated to the point where they had to release him. Unfortunately, 44 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 5: he wasn't as productive that as they would have liked 45 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 5: as a player over the last couple of years. Otherwise 46 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 5: he probably would have had some value on the market. 47 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 5: Not a whole lot of right handed bats out there 48 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 5: to be had, but he hasn't been a super productive 49 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 5: player as of late. Uh. He was given every chance 50 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 5: to play pretty much every single day for a long 51 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 5: long time. 52 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: And you know it's time to part ways. 53 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 5: And and you've got to give John Middleton uh and 54 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: and Dave Nebrawski a lot of credit in that they're 55 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 5: respecting I think probably the wishes of the staff, meaning 56 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 5: the coaches and the manager. Uh And they are also respecting, 57 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 5: you know, so sort of eating the money, which is 58 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 5: a significant amount of money for the betterment of the collective. 59 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 5: And uh, I think they're moving forward without him in 60 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 5: a way that uh, I think that the Phillies feel 61 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 5: is positive. 62 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: And aren't they making the statement as almost any business would, 63 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: that gross insubordination cannot be tolerated absolutely. 64 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 4: I mean, there was some real egregious stuff that went on. 65 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 5: I know that Nick Castianos didn't refer to with some 66 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 5: of the stuff on on Instagram, but I don't think 67 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 5: the entire picture was painted there. 68 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 4: There was more to be said. 69 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 5: There was a lot of disrespect that was created from 70 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 5: Nick Castiano's to others, and I think they finally said 71 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 5: that's enough. 72 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: So I want to mention real quick if you're watching it, 73 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: because on YouTube, please subscribe. 74 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: We've got past ten thousand. 75 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: Recently, we're trying to get to fifteen, so we appreciate 76 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: your support, and as always, go to the Philly show 77 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: Shop dot com right there. But so it's like Nick 78 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: had these you know, remember when he signed it was 79 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: a five year, hundred million dollar contract of March two, 80 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: twenty two, he gave. 81 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: This very interesting press conference. You know, I don't have 82 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: a college degree. 83 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: I hit baseballs for a living, and it was like, 84 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: oh man, this guy's going to have an edge. 85 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: And he had such wild. 86 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: Ups and downs, these wild high these incredible highs and 87 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: these incredible lows. When he was bad, he was bad, 88 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: he admitted he was bad. But when he got hot, man, 89 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: he could carry a team. I remember in the twenty 90 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: twenty three postseason, you know, he had all those you 91 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: know that nlds and I think he homered in his 92 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: first at bat in the twenty twenty three NLCS against 93 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks, I'm like, oh, my god. 94 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: The Phillies of the World Series. And then he was 95 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: like oh for twenty three the rest of the NLCS. 96 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: So he had these crazy ups and downs, got cheered 97 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: a lot, got boot a lot, and then you know, 98 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: when he did struggle. I remember Rob dropped him to 99 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,559 Speaker 1: as low as eighth in the lineup at one point. 100 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: I think that might have been in twenty twenty three, 101 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: and he was not happy about it. 102 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 2: You know, he wasn't happy last year. I think when he. 103 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: Kind of rebounded finished the season strong in twenty twenty four, 104 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: and I think he started last season hitting seventh in 105 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: the lineup. So there were some frustrations there on Knicks 106 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: part in terms of you know, hey, you know, the 107 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: least she was given or whatever, right or wrong you. 108 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: Know, he had. 109 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: There was some frustration there and he expressed it at times. 110 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: As you guys know, as everybody knows, he was never 111 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: afraid to voice his opinion. He was very blunt, very open. 112 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: He could be a difficult interview at times. 113 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: He could be a fun. 114 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: Interview at times, but he could be very, very harsh 115 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: in terms of his opinions, and that I think that 116 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: all kind of culminated into what happened in Miami in June. 117 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's okay to be blunt and opinionated in 118 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: a difficult interview, sometimes an entertaining interview. So it's okay 119 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: to be quirky. It's not okay when your manager makes 120 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: a decision to remove you to try to help win 121 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: a ball game and replace you with a better defender. 122 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: It's not okay to go off on the manager in 123 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: the dugout and the coaches in the dugout. And then, 124 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: you know, crack a beer that symbolically was I don't know, 125 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: what do you think, Reuben, he gave him one of these? 126 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've never heard of a player bringing a 127 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: beer into the dugout. I've heard of players, you know, 128 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: they can pulled out of the game, or reliever gets 129 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: out of a game, the starter gets out of the game. 130 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: They might have heard of that before, but but never 131 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: heard of a player the dugout. 132 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: I have no problem with. 133 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 4: Not agreeing with the manager or authority. 134 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 5: I do have a problem with dealing with it in 135 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 5: an unprofessional way. 136 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: And it was pretty clear that that's what happened. 137 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 5: And uh, you know, love or dislike Casianos she had. 138 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 5: He had an edge about how he played, and he 139 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 5: had some really highs, you know, big big. 140 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 4: Moments for the Phillies at times. 141 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 5: But I think at the end of the day, it's 142 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 5: about the whole body of work. And I guess the 143 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 5: feeling was, if you're not going to be super productive 144 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 5: and you're not going to be a positive in the 145 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 5: in the doug in the dug out, in the clubhouse, 146 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 5: and you're going to be a negative, then you sort 147 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 5: of have to be removed. 148 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 4: And that's the decision they made. 149 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: And it's it's okay to question the manager. It's okay 150 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: to stand up to the manager. It's okay to offer 151 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: your opinion, it's okay to bang heads. But there's a 152 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: way to do it. It's done, you know, at at 153 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: one in the afternoon behind a closed door or midnight 154 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: after a game behind a closed door. We've all walked 155 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: through clubhouses and heard shouting, but you know, it's behind 156 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: closed doors, done the right way. So his objections to 157 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 3: being taken out of the game that night, we're just 158 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: part of the decision on the Phillies part. But it 159 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: wasn't handled correctly, and it was the right decision. 160 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 4: I mean totally. 161 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 3: I don't agree with every single move. 162 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 5: That Rob Thompson makes. I do think he's an excellent manager. 163 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 5: I like the man, I like the way he goes 164 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 5: about it. That particular decision was the right decision. He 165 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 5: put a better defender in on a game that he 166 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 5: needed to win, and frankly, I was surprised he hadn't 167 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 5: done it before. 168 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you mentioned that, Ruby because I wrote 169 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: about that a little bit on on Thursday that you know, 170 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: we had been asking Rob for a long time. 171 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how far back. 172 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: But hey, in a close game, laid in the game, 173 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: would you take Nick out for defensive purposes? And then, 174 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: you know I always go back, and we've talked about 175 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: this before. Who was in left field when the Phillies 176 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: got the final out in the two thousand and eight 177 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: World Series. 178 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: It wasn't Pat Burrow. It was Eric Bruntlett. 179 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: Eric Bruntlett I think finished almost every game in the 180 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: postseason the left field because he was a better defender 181 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: and left than Pat Burle was. 182 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: And you never Patt never complained. He I'm sure, I 183 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: guess he. 184 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess he didn't like it, but he also 185 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: didn't like hate it. 186 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: And make a big story. 187 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 4: Pat knew was best for the team. 188 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: Right. 189 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 4: The same thing happened with Greg Lezinski over the years. 190 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 5: Jerry Mark, I mean, you know, I think I just 191 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 5: feel like, listen, you have to make moves that. 192 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 4: Aren't necessarily popular are going to help, you know, win 193 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 4: the baseball game. And that was one of them. 194 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you look at Nick's you know that, 195 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: and then after what came out of that afterwards, I 196 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: remember Nick was had asked for the Phillies to supply 197 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: him all of his defensive metrics and whatnot. And but yeah, 198 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: to me, it was an obvious decision. 199 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 4: It was. 200 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: And it was like, hey, why why had this not? 201 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: Why had this Why hadn't this happened? 202 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 5: I would say this, So, you know, Mitford worked very 203 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 5: hard on his defense. I mean, he made himself very adequate. 204 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 5: But it wasn't really about the issue of the of 205 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 5: his effort. It was more about his overall ability to 206 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 5: cover ground. He just didn't have the foot speed much 207 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 5: like Pat Burrow, that was a very good left fielder, 208 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 5: I thought, with tracking the baseball and what have you 209 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 5: good throwing arm through the ball. Well, the problem was 210 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 5: that he just didn't have the overall speed necessary to 211 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 5: cover enough ground to be a plus defender. And so 212 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 5: that's sort of the same thing you had with Castianos. 213 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 5: And you know, you want to have some you want 214 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 5: to have, you know, some somebody who can cover some ground, 215 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 5: someone who has some range, and someone is a better 216 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 5: player out there when when when the game's a lot. 217 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: But I feel like this transaction, the performance was only 218 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 3: part of it, small part of it really, just the 219 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: relationship had soured. He was unhappy with his role. There 220 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 3: was an incident, there was other comments he made that 221 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 3: night in Arizona where he strongly insinuated the manager, who 222 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: was a very good communicator, was not a very good communicator. 223 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 3: I mean that stuff just you know, kind of bills 224 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: and bills and becomes like a wave. And it would 225 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: have just been too difficult to have a person with 226 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: those grievances against the leader. You're against leadership come back 227 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: into your into your clubhouse. 228 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 5: And this is a GM supporting his manager in a 229 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 5: lot of ways. 230 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 4: And in my in my mind, it's the right thing 231 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 4: to do. 232 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 3: What was it? Todd paint the scene a little bit 233 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: down there today if you could, Well, you kind. 234 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: Of knew it was coming down, of course, right, I mean, 235 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: Philly's first full squad workout is Monday, and players are 236 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: already starting to come in. It's like, you know, he 237 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: didn't have a locker, they'd taken down some of his 238 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: pictures in the clubhouse, and so you. 239 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: Knew it was imminent. 240 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, we get a heads 241 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: up Thursday afternoon, like, hey, they're going to release Nick 242 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: in a few minutes. You know, Dave de Browse, he's 243 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: going to come and talk to you guys. And so 244 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: we met Dave right outside the press box and he 245 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: talked for maybe like I don't know, seven ten minutes 246 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: something like that, and you know, just kind of he 247 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: kept saying, we just needed to have a change scenery. 248 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: We needed to have a change of scenery. And you know, 249 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: he said that they had tried to trade him, they 250 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: had some interest, but when it came down. 251 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: To it, obviously they could not close the deal. 252 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: And it was it was kind of asked like why 253 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: did it take so long, But it was like, well, 254 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: we thought we could make a trade here for Nick, 255 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: trade him to somebody and he pointed out, He's like, 256 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: we weren't looking for a lot of money in return. 257 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: We weren't looking for a lot of prospects in return. 258 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: We were looking for minimal return in money, minimal return 259 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: prospects to try to trade him, and it didn't happen. 260 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 2: You know, I did ask him at one point, I. 261 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 1: Said, was there any because this is important because and 262 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: Dave did say this, He's like, this was more than 263 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: just the Miami incident. He's like everybody's making a big 264 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: deal about the Miami incident. It wasn't just that, And 265 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't just that. I mean, go back. They tried 266 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: to trade him now three consecutive off seasons, including this one, 267 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, so they've been tried to trade him for 268 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: a while. But I said, was there any attempt after 269 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: the season to say, hey, is there any way that 270 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: we can work this out? In other words, like hey, 271 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: if you open the season as a platoon player, we'd 272 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: still love to have you. We still think he can 273 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: be productive. Could you be a platoon player for us? 274 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: And he basically said, we never had that conversation, So 275 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: that that to me, said. 276 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: They you know, it was more than just one moment 277 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: in time. 278 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: It was just a culmination of things like we're done, 279 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: you're done, we're done, we're moving on. 280 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: You're moving on. 281 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, I'm gonna be very interested 282 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: to see what kind of season he has. 283 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 4: I think he's in a lot of ways. 284 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: In a lot of ways, he's just what they needed. 285 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: They needed a right handed bat in the outfield. I mean, 286 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: if you could subtract the periods of you know, the 287 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: periods when he wasn't producing, if you get some more consistency, 288 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: it's just what they're looking for. But I just think 289 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: it was all based on where the relationship had gone. 290 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: Do you think there's going to be you think he 291 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: lands somewhere? What do we think. 292 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 4: I think he's got an opportunity to go somewhere. 293 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 5: In a lot of ways, Yeah, it's going to be 294 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 5: interesting to see what kind of season he puts together. 295 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 5: But sometimes sometimes you have to sort of be smacked 296 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 5: in the head and the mirror. 297 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 4: Has to break for you realize that you really have 298 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 4: been struggling. 299 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 5: And I think this is probably a little bit of 300 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 5: a wake up call that the team could not move 301 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 5: the man. You know, it's interesting he had a two 302 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 5: to fifty batting average for the season seventeen home runs, 303 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 5: seventy two RBIs. He only had a two ninety four 304 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 5: on base percentage, which is probably the lowest on base 305 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 5: percentage of any everyday player or close to it that 306 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 5: played pretty much every day, someone with over five hundred 307 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 5: plate appearances. But I would not be surprised if it 308 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 5: sort of lights a fire in him and the player 309 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 5: for somebody, it's very very possible that. 310 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: You know, it's odd. He gets hot, he makes. 311 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 5: Some adjustments and does some things and puts some I mean, 312 00:15:59,360 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 5: he has a bill. 313 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 4: There's no question the man was a first rounder. 314 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 5: He's had a lot of success over the course of 315 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 5: the his career. You know, he's thirty three, he's not forty, 316 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 5: and so keeps himself in pretty good shape. I mean, 317 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 5: I would be I would actually be surprised if he 318 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 5: didn't have some sort of productive season because I even 319 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 5: though he's guaranteed the money, he's probably gonna want to 320 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 5: play after twenty twenty six, and I. 321 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 4: Now wants to show the rest of the world that 322 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 4: he can. 323 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I yeah, it's funny because we all had 324 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: people saying, why don't they just release them? They're not 325 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: going to be able to trade him. I'm like, well, 326 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: I think that they think that they can. You know, 327 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: somebody is going to see some potential there. Even with 328 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: the whole incident, I'm sure. I think most people in 329 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: baseball probably had heard something about what had happened in 330 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: Miami and how the relationship had soured and whatnot. But 331 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, I said this, everybody said, tell you what 332 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: if I was a GM on another team and I 333 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: could get Nick for two million dollars per Phillies, two 334 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: million dollars if there was other interests and I needed 335 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: a right handed bat. I think he'll be on better 336 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: behavior this year, you know, in terms of all of this, 337 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: because he's a free agent after the season. I think 338 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: he's going to be motivated again, like you said, Ruben, 339 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: because he's going to want another contract beyond the season. 340 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: And I think Nick is the type of guy who's 341 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: going to play with an edge, and he would love 342 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: nothing more than have a big season that shove it up, 343 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: shove it up to Phillies butts. I think he would 344 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: absolutely love that moment. 345 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 5: And I would love to do that based on what 346 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 5: I know of him and how he's reacted to other things. 347 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 4: I think he would love to do that, and he 348 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 4: may very well do that. 349 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 3: Question, Rubin, how much does a general manager in his 350 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: front office way the potential of some right handed production 351 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 3: when he's hot, with some adjustments, et cetera. How much 352 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: do you weigh what you could get from the player 353 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 3: with how it ended in Philadelphia, with the stuff off 354 00:17:59,400 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: the field. 355 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 5: This is where if I was another GM looking for 356 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 5: a right handed bat with some production and a veteran guy, 357 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 5: where this would be require a flight to his. 358 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 4: Home, a discussion with him, a face. 359 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 5: To face and a very very candid discussion about what happened. Why, 360 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 5: knowing about much of the things that happened, but why, 361 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 5: and whether this is the right. 362 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 4: Fit for my team. 363 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 5: Some teams can, you know, don't get affected by guys 364 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 5: like this, even if he has a little bit of 365 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 5: an edge or whatever. You don't like totally like the makeup. 366 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 5: But I mean, listen, I was never afraid to, you know, 367 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 5: go and take a chance on somebody like this, especially 368 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 5: who is going to probably pretty pretty motivated to show 369 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 5: the world that he's a better player than he has 370 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 5: been the last couple of years. 371 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 3: Motivated to show the Phillies, motivated to get another contract 372 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 3: correct in stay baseball. I mean I could see somebody 373 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: rolling the dice on him. Who has a need Padres 374 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 3: trying to think who else but I? And if it 375 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 3: doesn't work out, you release him. You're on the hook 376 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 3: for you know, seven fifty grand. 377 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 5: And you're not taking big of a real big chance 378 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 5: on the guy obviously because you're paying him the minimum. 379 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 4: But no harm, no foul by giving him an opportunity. 380 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 5: But I think it would precipitate a very very candid 381 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 5: conversation for sure. 382 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: For sure, and you know it's going to be fun 383 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: to watch this season. Wherever he lands, people are gonna 384 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: be looking at that box square. 385 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: We're not going what Nick do? What Adulis Garcia do? 386 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: Not not? 387 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 6: It's not necessarily no doubt Garcia yea yeah, because I 388 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 6: mean this front off, you know, they they they're rolling 389 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 6: the dice on Garcia coming off of two down years. 390 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 2: They missed on Max Kepler last year or so. 391 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there's some you know, they need, they need 392 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: one of these guys and one of your guys to hit, 393 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: and it's the big. 394 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 3: What do you think of the letter? I liked the letter. 395 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 3: I liked that he drew like a log cabin on 396 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 3: the letter. 397 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 5: Not too many people used cursive anymore or write with 398 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 5: a lot of people type it all out. 399 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: That's true. 400 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 4: I mean, I think the letter was candid, but not 401 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 4: totally candid. It was a nice you know the thing, 402 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 4: got the whole story there. 403 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: And I wonder if the if, the if the I 404 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 3: wonder if the President Day was the good stuff that 405 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 3: you get in the Dominican or the or the knockoff 406 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 3: stuff that they sell here in the States. 407 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: You think it's a knockoff they sell the States. Huh, Well, it's. 408 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 3: Not the same quality as you get in the d R. 409 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 5: It's kind of like coming out of that cold ice 410 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 5: water and you drop off in the Santa Domingo. 411 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: It's kind of like when you get a Guinness in 412 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: Dublin and tastes different than the United States. 413 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 4: Is that you're Jim, It's Stephan. 414 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 3: I've always said I've had it in the DR and 415 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 3: I've had it here and it does a little. 416 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 4: I have a bunch of President Days in my refrigerator 417 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 4: right now. 418 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: You should go crack one and on her and Nick. 419 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 5: I don't think I'm going I don't think I'm gonna 420 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 5: do that, James on my birthday. 421 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. 422 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 4: That's right. 423 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: This is what we will say this about Ruben. It's 424 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: Thursday night. We remember recording this. It is his birthday 425 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: and he's taking the time to chat with us. 426 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 4: So happy birthday, Rubens. You're getting older better than the alternative. 427 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 3: What else is happening down there, Todd, give us a 428 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 3: quick update before Ruben has to go put his party 429 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: hat on. 430 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: Well, today was actually a real short day. They had 431 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: like a bunch of guys throw before the first official 432 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: workout on Tuesday, a ton of guys throwing Tuesday, had 433 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: a few guys throw on Wednesday, so it was actually 434 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: a very short quick day. Guys were in and out. 435 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: Bryce and Stott was in camp today. He got it 436 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: on the half field and guess who greeted him very warmly. 437 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: Bobby Dickerson and Larry bow They were and it took 438 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: about h less than a second for them to start 439 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: jumping on. 440 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: Bryce's stock smack. 441 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 3: Having a hard time the fun fraternity. 442 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 4: I said to Bryce, and I go, there's fine at 443 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 4: the time of the spring. 444 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 5: I love watching them work out before it so funny. 445 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: And Bryson's a great guys. You guys know and I 446 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: said to Bryce and I go, did you miss Bobby? 447 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 7: And he goes, no, this is that as Bobby's just 448 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 7: riding them already, you know, so of course they they 449 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 7: work well together, and everybody does like Bobby and the 450 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 7: work that. 451 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: He does there. So it was yeah, you get guys, 452 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: just slowly starting to trickle in. So the next few 453 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: days we'll see Bryce and Trey show up and and whatnot. 454 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: Which warper's here looking jacked, you know, he's ready to 455 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: rock and roll. So and the weather was nice day 456 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: and the sun was out night. 457 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 4: Let's go warm it up. 458 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 3: I'm coming in a week. 459 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 4: There we go. 460 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Hope to see both of 461 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: you guys very soon down in clear Water. Get that 462 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: hoodie off, Jim, you gotta get the lightweight. 463 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: Philly Show hoodie. 464 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 4: Light Wait we go lightweight. 465 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 3: Wait you see the pipes in my short sleeves? 466 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 4: Sh God, you have unbelievable guns. I cannot wait. 467 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: Bring that mesh t shirt down, Jim. 468 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: Don't forget and we'll forget your thal. 469 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 4: All right, guys, thanks for thanks for listening. We will 470 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 4: be back so right. 471 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: Great talking to you, Smelly Lena Jim. 472 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 473 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube and 474 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.