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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. We have got a bevy

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Speaker 2: of stories to track with you. Drama in the House

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Speaker 2: of Representatives as the speakership of Kevin McCarthy is potentially

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Speaker 2: in danger. We will continue to update you throughout the

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Speaker 2: course of the program as that plays itself out. But

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of different stories to discuss. But

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Speaker 2: crime is right now on the top of many people's minds,

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Speaker 2: particularly crime in Washington, d C. And other cities where

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Speaker 2: crime has continued to skyrocket. Buck, I'm reading from Lucas

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Speaker 2: Tomlinson's report that he put out earlier this morning. Lucas

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Speaker 2: Tomlinson is a Fox News correspondent. He said, in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 2: the average murder suspect has eleven prior arrests.

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Speaker 1: That is, according to police.

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Speaker 2: Violent crime is up thirty eight percent this year over

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Speaker 2: last year in DC. By the way, Buck and I

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Speaker 2: will be in DC in two weeks for multiple days

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Speaker 2: as a part of our new affiliate I believe is

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Speaker 2: it one oh four point seven that you can listen

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Speaker 2: to us, and many of you are listening right now

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Speaker 2: all over the Washington, DC area.

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Speaker 3: As hopefully I'll be a personal security detail in the

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Speaker 3: word hopefully, hopefully we will be safe. I went to

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Speaker 3: college there. Buck has lived in d C. Thirty eight

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Speaker 3: percent increase in crime and a lot of attention. As

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Speaker 3: Muriel Bowser, who is DC's mayor, says, DC, how much

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Speaker 3: short do you think they are of how many cops Buck,

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Speaker 3: they need to be able to run effectively the police

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Speaker 3: presence in Washington.

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Speaker 3: I'm am sure they are short, hundreds.

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Speaker 2: Four hundred, she says. Remember DC was one of the

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Speaker 2: capitals of the defund the police movement. Well, now they're saying, look,

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Speaker 2: we got a lot of policies. It turns out that

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Speaker 2: makes it hard to hire police officers. You've got a

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Speaker 2: Democrat congressman who was carjacked and outside of an apartment

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Speaker 2: building that is very popular with congress people to be

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Speaker 2: DC Mayor Muriel Bowser say, yeah, we're four hundred cops short,

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Speaker 2: and we're having difficulty recruiting them because the policies we

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Speaker 4: We need more officers, we don't have the officers that

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Speaker 4: we need and Sadly, we've lost three to four hundred

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Speaker 4: in our schools, and we have policies that make it

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Speaker 4: difficult to create recruit new officers.

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Speaker 2: How predictable is this buck that the defund the police movement,

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Speaker 2: which I think is the single dumbest political argument of

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Speaker 2: And now people in many of these cities with skyrocketing

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Speaker 2: crime rates want more police, but they have put in

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Speaker 2: place policies where police say, why in the world would

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Speaker 2: we ever work there. This is the cascading effect that

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Speaker 3: What happens when, in order to play Kate, for example,

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Speaker 3: a anti police mob and any jurisdiction in any city,

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Speaker 3: you know, when they decide that some law enforcement officer

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Speaker 3: society's ills or whatever. All the other cops see that

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Speaker 3: a force en force situation. Heather MacDonald, who we've had

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Speaker 3: also add to that then the early retirements and the

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Speaker 3: And that's not even a criminal matter. That's something that

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Speaker 3: can happen because of departmental discipline. And you might have

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Speaker 3: because of a video that someone takes. If you wrestling

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Speaker 2: They're going to edit, by the way back to the

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Speaker 2: You're not even going to see the full fruition of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you also are seeing Look, I always I

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Speaker 3: had nothing to do with anything. That was an inhumane

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Speaker 3: it is noted by many people that You've seen a

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Speaker 3: with community organizing and the left wing apparatus in a

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Speaker 3: example of this with their husband and their district in

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Speaker 3: note of that. We haven't even mentioned yet. Clay Congressman

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Speaker 3: Quaar Yep. Congressman Quay Are, a mile from the Capitol building,

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Speaker 3: was just carjacked in the last in the last twenty

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Speaker 1: Here we have him talking about it. I think buck

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're just coming into my place. Three guys came

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Speaker 5: out of nowhere, and they pointed guns at me. I

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Speaker 5: do have a black belt, but I recognized when you

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Speaker 5: got three guns. I looked at one with a gun,

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Speaker 5: So they said they wanted my car, and say sure,

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Speaker 5: you got to keep common to those situations, and then

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Speaker 1: They recovered the car play.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I mean a black belt. One guy

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Speaker 3: has a gun, one guy has a knife. You know

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Speaker 3: you're black belt.

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Speaker 1: You're got John.

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Speaker 2: Wick here, right, You're not au Reeves and the matrix,

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Speaker 2: the idea of fighting off three people with guns is

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Speaker 2: a Hollywood fan of And he said he was a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have zero, You have zero chance effectively, And

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Speaker 3: I'm glad. Look he did the right thing, which is

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Speaker 3: just to concede and give them, give them the vehicle.

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Speaker 3: You know, most important thing is to get off the

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Speaker 3: I think for people the these things don't have to

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Speaker 3: number of times that these individuals who are arrested for

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Speaker 3: was the term incarceration. Yes, that was far too harsh

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Speaker 3: on first time, low level, nonviolent offenders. And somehow that

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Speaker 3: we got people being arrested one hundred times and the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Clay, how.

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Speaker 3: Much more clear could the failure be And you know,

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Speaker 3: That's why he didn't get on the defund police train

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Speaker 2: And I also wanted to mention, so DC is getting

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Speaker 2: arrested prior before a murder. Did you see this story, Buck,

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Speaker 2: I just I mean, it is absolutely disgraceful. A thirty

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Speaker 2: Thirty eight year old father of three was in town

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Speaker 1: He had done nothing.

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Speaker 2: The guy had been arrested sixty six prior times.

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Speaker 1: Think about that for a minute.

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Speaker 2: How is it remotely possible that you could be arrested

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Speaker 2: sixty six times, including for violent felonies firing guns that

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Speaker 2: Christopher Wright, just had he had an eight week old child,

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Speaker 2: three young kids, twentieth anniversary of his high school, Baylor

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Speaker 2: High School. And this guy's a career criminal. Sixty six

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Speaker 2: arrests buck and he just shot him right in the

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Speaker 3: Where are the marches? Where is the organization that we saw?

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Speaker 3: You know, George Floyd is killed in an altercation with

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Speaker 3: systemic racism and all this stuff. If it's really about

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Speaker 1: Who shot him?

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Speaker 3: When the prosecutor was facing this individual who had been

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Speaker 3: This total failure of society. And this should be this

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Speaker 3: And that's not about politics. That's just about what's decent

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Speaker 2: From the front Lines of Truth, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 3: All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off

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Speaker 3: Now what does it look like, Clay, Right, there's the

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Speaker 1: Well, and this is also interesting.

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Speaker 3: So two hundred and thirty thousand illegals enter last month,

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Speaker 3: And I think the Democrats are are stuck play because

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Speaker 3: That's a part of it. That's so you know, so insane.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, it's a lot like crime.

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Speaker 2: People make decisions that make them feel better so long

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Speaker 1: And this is what's good.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I see them completely as connected because We've

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Speaker 1: Oh, we should have the open borders.

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Speaker 2: We should limit the amount of time that we're trying

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Speaker 2: for instance, you have a gate, you have very reliable police.

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Speaker 2: In the richest communities in America, they didn't defund police.

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Speaker 2: They went and hired more. When guys decided they didn't

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Speaker 2: want to work in violent crime areas, they moved to

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Speaker 2: low crime areas, got good jobs and good pensions and

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Speaker 2: good opportunities for them and their family. And so they

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Speaker 2: can live behind in their gated community with their private

446
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Speaker 2: security guards and their ample police forces, and say oh,

447
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Speaker 2: let's defund the police, knowing that it's not going to

448
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: impact them. And simultaneously, Buck, they can say, oh, we

449
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: should have open borders because in the grand scheme of things,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't really change their life. Maybe maybe you get

451
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Speaker 2: a little bit cheaper groundskeeper for your mansion. Right, I mean,

452
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Speaker 2: this is the way that they are thinking. It's it's

453
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Speaker 2: a and this is my big concern in America today, Buck,

454
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Speaker 2: and we were talking about this off air. We have

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Speaker 2: created a consequence free American life by which I mean

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Speaker 2: anyone who ever said defund the police is not smart

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Speaker 2: enough to be able to, in my opinion, hold the

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Speaker 2: elective office. And there should be consequences anyone who said, hey,

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Speaker 2: let's go take the rims off basketball hoops and keep

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Speaker 2: kids from being able to play basketball outside during COVID,

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Speaker 2: they should not be able to continue to represent people. Instead,

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Speaker 2: people aren't looking at results, They're just looking at what

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Speaker 2: team you're on. And as a result, there are no

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Speaker 2: consequences for clear failed public policy. And that's going on

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Speaker 2: at the border, that's going on with crime that happened

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Speaker 2: with COVID. We live in a consequence free universe, and

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Speaker 2: that's why I've used this analogy. Buck, your high school

468
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: football coach is held to a higher standard of behavior

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Speaker 2: than the governor of Michigan is or the governor of

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Speaker 2: California because they're Democrats, and what they actually do doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter because they're on the right tribe.

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Speaker 1: That should be scary to everyone.

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Speaker 3: And what we've seen and we started to get in

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Speaker 3: this conversation at the end of the last hour on crime,

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Speaker 3: it's true about immigration as well. Is I think that

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Speaker 3: there was a There are always two components of this.

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Speaker 3: There are the true believers who think that we can

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Speaker 3: change the rules or we can do these things and

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Speaker 3: it's not going to have the negative impact. So crime

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Speaker 3: won't get worse, illegal immigration won't get worse. We can

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Speaker 3: change the rules and it won't turn into the debacles

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Speaker 3: that we see on those two issues. I think there

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Speaker 3: are also people, though, who are a different kind of

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Speaker 3: true believer, who lie to everybody about what their true

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Speaker 3: intentions are with this. And that's what I was getting

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Speaker 3: at with some of the Soros prosecutors and their view

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Speaker 3: of things. They think that whether it's on the issue

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Speaker 3: of crime or the issue of immigration, the rules that

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Speaker 3: we have are actually a problem. The system itself is

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Speaker 3: a problem. It's not like, oh, we're trying to get

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Speaker 3: to the same place of low crime and a secure border.

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Speaker 3: It's just different pathways. There are true believers on the

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Speaker 3: left who think that we should be an open borders state,

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Speaker 3: an open borders country, and clay that we should abolish prisons.

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Speaker 3: The true leftist social justice reformers believe in, and they

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Speaker 3: use the word very intentionally abolition of police and abolition

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Speaker 3: of prisons, and that is insane, I know, but you

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Speaker 3: will find it. You will hear people talking about it.

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Speaker 3: That is what the true leftists think in this police

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Speaker 3: reform movement. So they bring other people along by saying,

501
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Speaker 3: come on, guys, let's just change this a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Nothing bad is really gonna happen. I mean, it's fine,

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Speaker 3: It's all gonna be fine. Now what we see is

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Speaker 3: the results happening. And on immigration, it couldn't be any

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Speaker 3: more clear. And I go back and forth. They either

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Speaker 3: convinced themselves it doesn't affect them to your point, or

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Speaker 3: they're just too stubborn and too narcissistic to admit that

508
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Speaker 3: they were wrong, which I think is a big part of,

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Speaker 3: for example, what happened on COVID. But that's where we

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Speaker 3: are now. They won't admit that they've gotten this thing

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Speaker 3: completely wrong, or this is what they wanted all along.

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Speaker 2: Well, and also Buck, this is the frustrating thing. Whi's

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Speaker 2: just a big circle, right, I mean, somebody could make

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Speaker 2: this circle. And we've gone through it before because people

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Speaker 2: finally got fed up in the late eighties and early

516
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: nineties with surging violent crime, and so they said, we're

517
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Speaker 2: gonna put the criminals in prison, and so crime rates

518
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Speaker 2: go down. New York City, where you grew up, is

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00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: a perfect example of this. Right, people got so fed

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Speaker 2: up with the lack of safety and security in New

521
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Speaker 2: York City that they elected a law and order mayor

522
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Speaker 2: who put plate positions and policies and protocols in place

523
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Speaker 2: that led to much safer streets. And then what happens,

524
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: big circle. Much safer streets lead to the luxury of

525
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Speaker 2: being concerned that being tough on crimes is racist. So

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Speaker 2: you're saying that, oh, it's racist to be tough on crime.

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Speaker 2: Then you put people back on the streets, crime starts

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Speaker 2: to go back up, and you go right back into

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Speaker 2: the circle again where you say we got to put

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Speaker 2: criminals back behind bars. It's all so easily and predictably

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Speaker 2: clear what is going to happen. But it's like the

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Speaker 2: late eighties and the early nineties didn't happen, so we're

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Speaker 2: back on the same cycle all over again.

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Speaker 3: I remember when there were people who were hitting Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden for the nineties crime bill when he was running

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty from the right. If a lot of

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Speaker 3: us are sitting around saying no, no, no, guys, that was

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Speaker 3: actually good.

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Speaker 2: The one thing Joe bidens might have gotten right in

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Speaker 2: his career, but the circle has so worked around where

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Speaker 2: he had to repudiate that because now it's considered to

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Speaker 2: be racist. And I just think the ultimate close out

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Speaker 2: of all that argument is just watch the minds explode

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Speaker 2: when you say, yeah, you know, systemic racism may be

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Speaker 2: a thing when it's policing, But what I'm really focused

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Speaker 2: on is systemic sexism, because women should be getting arrested

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Speaker 2: way more for violent crimes than they are, I mean

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Speaker 2: five percent, And just make that argument like kind of deadpan,

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Speaker 2: and just see like you can start to see their

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Speaker 2: brains explode, because police arrest criminals and women are far

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Speaker 2: less violent than men are, and so but nobody says, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's systemic sexism that ninety five percent or higher of

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Speaker 2: the people arrested for violent crimes are men. We all

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Speaker 2: understand men commit far more violent crimes.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a good argument. One eight two two eight two.

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sext now voices of Sanity an

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Speaker 1: Insane World.

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Speaker 2: Walk an Hour number three Tuesday edition the program. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: all of you hanging out with us. We roll through

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Speaker 2: the Clay and Buck program here. We're going to continue

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Speaker 2: to update you throughout this hour. In the event that

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Speaker 2: we officially have a resolution on the drama that is

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Speaker 2: continuing to take place in the House of Representatives. Whether

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Speaker 2: or not you are going to be still seeing Kevin

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Speaker 2: McCarthy as Speaker of the House remains to be seen.

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Speaker 2: And maybe we'll get a resolution on this issue as

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Speaker 2: we move throughout the course of this hour. Buck, we

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Speaker 2: said as we finished off the last hour that we

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Speaker 2: were going to talk about a bit more the Trump

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Speaker 2: legal process and the way that it is continuing to

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Speaker 2: play itself out in New York City. And yesterday the

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Speaker 2: fraud trial of the Trump Organization in general began. Trump

592
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Speaker 2: went stood on the courthouse steps, had a lot to

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Speaker 2: say about the judge, about Letitia James, who is the

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Speaker 2: Attorney General of New York and who ran her campaign

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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen based on the idea that she would

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Speaker 2: go after Trump. And I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: are still confused about exactly what this case is. And

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Speaker 2: it's understandable because we've got the New York City criminal trial,

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Speaker 2: we've got the DC criminal trial, we've got South Florida

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Speaker 2: criminal trial, and we've got the Atlanta criminal trial.

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Speaker 1: This is civil and I.

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Speaker 2: Feel like Buck, a lot of people still don't understand

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Speaker 2: the difference between civil and criminal court. The easiest way

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Speaker 2: to put it is in civil court typically you are

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Speaker 2: seeking monetary damages for a wrong, whereas in criminal court

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Speaker 2: typically the punishment would be a lack of freedom that

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Speaker 2: an individual potentially would face in the event that they

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Speaker 2: are found to have committed a criminal violation. So we're

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Speaker 2: on the civil side right now. There are four criminal

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Speaker 2: trials still pending for Trump. But this is on the

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Speaker 2: civil side, and there are different standards of justice beyond

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Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt in the criminal trial more likely than not,

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Speaker 2: basically a probability standard fifty percent plus a feather is

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Speaker 2: one way that it's put that something did or did

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Speaker 2: not happen. Also confusing, I think to a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: this is a bench trial, not a jury trial. That is,

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Speaker 2: the judge will make the decisions about whether or not

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Speaker 2: there has been a violation by the Trump organization. And

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Speaker 2: essentially this case boils down for everybody out there. Two

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Speaker 2: did the Trump organization did they inflate the value of

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Speaker 2: properties that were owned by the Trump organization in an

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Speaker 2: effort to get as much money in loans, potentially at

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Speaker 2: a lower rate than they otherwise might have been entitled

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Speaker 2: to based on the valuation of these properties.

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Speaker 1: Was there fraud perpetrated?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Buck, what you and I have hammered home here? And

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Speaker 2: I think this is important. And that's a quick background

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Speaker 2: of exactly what the synopsis is here. What you and

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Speaker 2: I have hammered home is and this is important. There's

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Speaker 2: no victim here I have not heard. I think JP

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Speaker 2: Morgan was the bank in question. There may have been

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Speaker 2: multiple banks for people out there who have never I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's not that much different than what you might do

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Speaker 2: when you go around and decide to take out a mortgage.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people go to multiple banks and they say, hey,

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Speaker 2: here are my finances. Can you give me? What rate

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Speaker 2: can you give me on potentially buying this home? A

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Speaker 2: lot of you prequalify if you're going to be out

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Speaker 2: shopping for homes. Buck, you just bought a home. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you went through this process in many ways. Most

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Speaker 2: of our listeners probably at some point in their life,

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Speaker 2: will go through taking out a mortgage. This is just

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00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 2: basically a huge credit line that the Trump organization wanted

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Speaker 2: to get at the most favorable rates possible, and they

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Speaker 2: were using all of their assets as the leverage to

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Speaker 2: justify the money that they were going to take out.

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Speaker 1: All of the loans were repaid.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 2: There is literally not one dollar in damages that can

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Speaker 2: be pointed to here, and they potentially are trying to

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Speaker 2: get hundreds of millions of dollars in penalties based on

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Speaker 2: a loan that never went bad, was fully repaid and

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Speaker 2: nobody had complained about. That's the story.

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Speaker 3: Now. What they'll argue, and I think this is this

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Speaker 3: will also pinge somewhat on on you know, New York

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Speaker 3: law and how it's written with regard to this. But

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Speaker 3: by inflating assets, he gets a more favorable rate, and

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Speaker 3: therefore the losses to the banks are the change in

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Speaker 3: the rate as it pertains to what he would pay

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Speaker 3: for those loans. Right, So instead of let's say, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you're getting a mortgage these days, it's like seven

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Speaker 3: percent something almost eight percent now right yep, Oh, well

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Speaker 3: you inflated your assets, so you got a five or

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Speaker 3: six percent mortgage rate instead. So that's where they're going

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Speaker 3: to try it now. I mean you're talking about JP Morgan.

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Speaker 3: They're very sophisticated. They know what these assets are. There's

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Speaker 3: always gray area in deciding what assets like this are worth,

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Speaker 3: you know, that's where I think that the Trump side

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Speaker 3: of this is clearly in the right. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is a this is a preposterous case. But they are

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Speaker 3: going to say, well, the inflation of the assets gave

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Speaker 3: him a financial advantage which meant less dollars going to

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Speaker 3: the lenders. In this case, it's going to be some

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Speaker 3: version of that right. And the judge clearly does not

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Speaker 3: like Trump. The judge also likes the attention from this,

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Speaker 3: as we have discussed. But Donald Trump has been speaking

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Speaker 3: out very very directly on all this, and here here

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Speaker 3: he is saying, this is him this morning. This has

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Speaker 3: cut fifteen please talking about his net worth play fifteen judge,

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Speaker 3: and has been.

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Speaker 7: Given false and extremely misleading information about my network, private company.

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Speaker 7: Nobody's supposed to know my network, but now everybody is.

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Speaker 3: And will and I hope progress. He's a great company.

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Speaker 7: But he's been given false and information, misleading information, and

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Speaker 7: corrupt information by a very corrupt and incompetent Attorney General

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Speaker 7: Latsia James. This woman is grossly She ran on the

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Speaker 7: basis I will get Trump without knowing anything about me.

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Speaker 7: So he's been given this information it's now been proven

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Speaker 7: to be false, such as mar A Lago and Pomby

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Speaker 7: Flarda being worth eighteen million dollars when in fact it's

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Speaker 7: much lesser than one point five billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: So he's he's taking this now because of the civil trial.

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Speaker 3: I think also he just has much more leeway Clay

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Speaker 3: than he probably would than he than he will in

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Speaker 3: any of the criminal trials that that may be forthcoming

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Speaker 3: to say whatever he wants to say about all this stuff,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you know he's out there fighting, no question

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 2: State New York buck is going to spend millions of

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Speaker 2: dollars prosecuting a victimless crime on the civil side, while

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Speaker 2: they simultaneously are not prosecuting violent crimes on a regular

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Speaker 2: basis on the criminal side. And so if I were

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Speaker 2: a New York State taxpayer, certainly, if I was a

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Speaker 2: New York City taxpayer, I would be very unhappy with

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Speaker 2: the miss what I believe is miss allication of resources

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Speaker 2: as it pertains to where the focus is.

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Speaker 1: Here is the truth.

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Speaker 2: If Donald Trump had never decided to enter into politics,

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Speaker 2: there would not be I legitimately believe this. I don't

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Speaker 2: think there would be a single aspect of certainly the

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Speaker 2: criminal trials, but I don't think there would be any

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Speaker 2: civil investigation of him that ever would have ensued, no

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Speaker 2: investigation of the Trump organization.

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Speaker 3: This is from the moment that he decided to run.

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Speaker 2: I should clarify that if he had run as a Democrat,

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Speaker 2: none of this would have happened, Buck.

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Speaker 3: Clay, what is more likely? I mean, if you take

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Speaker 3: Occam's razor to this situation that you know, Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: faces four criminal indictments and then the civil case all

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Speaker 3: in a year that coincides with his re election efforts

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Speaker 3: just happenstance or there's an effort to get him. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is what there's been a decision made by the

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Speaker 3: system that he is to be stopped, to be undermined,

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Speaker 3: and really he used to be destroyed. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: do think that there's a lot that will come together

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Speaker 3: in the J six case, specifically where they're going to

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Speaker 3: try to you know, they're going to try to get

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Speaker 3: a conviction there, and they're going to try to have

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Speaker 3: major sanctions against Trump if he is in fact convicted

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Speaker 3: in that DC case.

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Speaker 2: Here's another way of putting that, Buck, what are the

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Speaker 2: odds that Trump lived in New York City for over

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Speaker 2: fifty years? As a highly public individual of high net worth,

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Speaker 2: engaged in business deals all the time, and never committed

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Speaker 2: a criminal violation.

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Speaker 1: But suddenly, at.

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Speaker 2: The age of seventy four, seventy five, seventy six, he

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Speaker 2: became a criminal mastermind such that four different criminal trials

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Speaker 2: had to be brought against him, and that all of

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Speaker 2: the civil investigations of the Trump organization also needed to occur.

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Speaker 2: I mean, again, to your point on Akham's razor, he

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Speaker 2: talked about that awful murder down in Chattanooga. The best

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Speaker 2: predictor of future behavior, sadly is past behavior if you've

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Speaker 2: been arrested, as we just said. In DC as well,

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Speaker 2: the data reflects that the average murder or in d

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Speaker 2: C has been arrested eleven times prior. The guy who

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Speaker 2: just got murdered in Chattanooga totally innocent at his high

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Speaker 2: school reunion. The guy who murdered him have been arrested

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Speaker 2: sixty six times. What are the odds that Trump? I

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Speaker 2: don't think, Buck correct me if I'm wrong, our stack

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Speaker 2: can look it up. I don't think he's ever been

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Speaker 2: charged with a criminal offense in his entire life prior

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Speaker 2: to this year.

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Speaker 3: And see what he also is you know, he lost

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Speaker 3: a civil case, a civil rape trial, yes, and has

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Speaker 3: to pay a five million dollars all these things. It

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Speaker 3: is hard to keep in mind all of the different

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Speaker 3: ways the legal system is being used to try and undermine,

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Speaker 3: stop destroy Trump with whichever one you know you want

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Speaker 3: to pick. It's hard to keep track of them because

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Speaker 3: so many of them are happy and so many of

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Speaker 3: them are happening at the same time. Here's an easy

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Speaker 3: way to bring this home. And this would be a

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Speaker 3: great research subject for somebody. Has anyone at the age

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Speaker 3: of seventy seven who has never been charged with a

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Speaker 3: felony in their entire life suddenly been charged with felonies

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Speaker 3: in four different jurisdictions at the age of seventy seven.

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Speaker 3: I bet that has never happened in the history of

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Speaker 3: the United States. Think about that for a minute, just

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Speaker 3: the markers that I just laid out. I believe I'm

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Speaker 3: correct that Trump has never been charged with any criminal

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Speaker 3: offense in his whole life. Most people are charged with

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Speaker 3: criminal offenses in their youth right twenties, thirties, forties. Testosterone men.

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Speaker 3: Criminal offenses tend to peak in the twenty to forty

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Speaker 3: year window.

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Speaker 2: For men Okay, how many people at the age of

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Speaker 2: seventy seven, never having faced criminal charges in their entire life,

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Speaker 2: suddenly Chase faced criminal charges in four different jurisdictions for

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Speaker 2: the first time ever at the age of seventy seven.

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Speaker 2: I bet buck that has never happened in the history

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Speaker 2: of the United States, because the probability of somebody over

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Speaker 2: the age of seventy five being charged with a criminal

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Speaker 2: offense for the first time is very low in the

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Speaker 2: first place, right, because typically people in their seventies are

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Speaker 2: very unlikely. Your grandpa and your grandma are very unlikely

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Speaker 2: to lead a life of zero criminal offenses and then

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Speaker 2: suddenly get arrested at the age of seventy seven. Like

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Speaker 2: if your grandma got popped, you'd be like, what the

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Speaker 2: FBI just rated grandma's house.

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Speaker 3: Like, I think Madeoff was in his seventies, but you know.

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Speaker 1: That four different jurisdictions.

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Speaker 2: Though, no, no, no, but it was a lot of charge.

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Speaker 2: It took a long time to catch him. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: like you can say, okay, like there's a serial killer

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Speaker 2: who has, you know, maybe gotten away with everything, and

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Speaker 2: suddenly they catch him with DNA. I think that sometimes happens.

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Speaker 2: But my point on a lot of those guys is

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Speaker 2: they're committing the crimes, they just aren't being caught for them.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Trump is being charged for crimes now that are currently occurring, right,

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Speaker 2: and there's no indication that he's ever committed any crimes before.

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Speaker 2: If you're a serial killer and you don't get caught

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Speaker 2: to your seventy, you probably killed somebody in your twenties, thirties,

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Speaker 2: forties along the way. You're right, made Off got away

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Speaker 2: with his scam for some time, but he didn't get

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Speaker 2: charged in four different jurisdictions to my recollection.

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Speaker 3: And also completely unrelated crimes.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's like the fear analogy. The point you're making. If

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Speaker 3: you know Madeoff was charged with like grand theft auto

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Speaker 3: and frauds and you know classification document violations, then that

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Speaker 3: would be a little bit more comparable. I mean grand

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Speaker 3: theft auto would a little crazy, but you get what

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Speaker 1: The Voices of Sanity in an Insane World Claye Travis

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Speaker 1: said buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. I want

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Speaker 2: to take a moment here to share a story with

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Speaker 2: everybody out there, because I think it's super significant, and

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Speaker 2: I think it builds on the world that was created

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Speaker 2: in the wake of Brett Kavanaugh. I know that you

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Speaker 2: were super aggressive several was it five years ago? Basically now, Buck,

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Speaker 2: when the Brett Kavanaugh allegations were totally bs and many

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Speaker 2: people accepted them, and we created the whole me Too

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Speaker 2: universe and hashtag.

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Speaker 1: Believe all Women.

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Speaker 2: It's had real significant consequences across all aspects of American life,

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Speaker 2: and one just revealed itself yesterday afternoon, and I sent

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Speaker 2: this to you, Buck, because I wasn't sure how familiar

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Speaker 2: you were with this story. And they give everybody out there,

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Speaker 2: like a forty five second background here. Trevor Bauers, an

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Speaker 2: All Star pitcher, one of the best Major League Baseball

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Speaker 2: pitchers in the country, incredibly highly paid, left the Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Reds and went to pitch for the LA Dodgers, And

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Speaker 2: after he got to LA, a woman accused him of

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Speaker 2: sexual assault, and not just sexual assault, particularly a heinous

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Speaker 2: version of sexual assault that involved him choking her to

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Speaker 2: the point of near death, beating her up, fracturing her skull.

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Speaker 2: Really really not just sexual assault, but awful violent acts,

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Speaker 2: and those allegations were spread widely by sports media, who

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Speaker 2: accepted the anonymous woman's claims as one hundred percent truth. Yesterday,

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Speaker 2: after a multi year legal battle, there were never any

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Speaker 2: criminal charges brought, which should immediately have raised your eyebrows, like, okay,

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Speaker 2: what was going on here? Trevor Bauer settled the lawsuit

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Speaker 2: that he had filed, and the woman as well settled

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Speaker 2: her lawsuit. They basically agreed to walk away, and Trevor

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Speaker 2: Bauer shared a great deal of evidence that had never

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Speaker 2: been public that the woman basically decided to set him

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Speaker 2: up because he was worth tens of millions of dollars,

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Speaker 2: and she was never actually raped and she was never

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Speaker 2: actually physically assaulted based on the evidence that he laid

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Speaker 2: out there. And I know we have a lot of

873
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: people who listen all over the country, and I've been

874
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: really frustrated as a lawyer about the degree to which

875
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: identity politics has taken over our justice system. That is,

876
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: your race, your gender, your sexuality, whatever it is, your

877
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: identity is a proxy for whether you're guilty or innocent,

878
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: not the actual facts of a case.

879
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: And I think we're failing in a big way.

880
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: But what I would say here and I'm curious how

881
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: you would respond to this idea, Buck. This also, by

882
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: the way, happened for a Buffalo Bill's punter, Trevor Rasa,

883
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: who lost his job in the NFL as soon as

884
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: he was alleged committed gang rape. It turns out that

885
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: the woman consented, there was no gang rape that actually occurred.

886
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 2: When a woman falsely accuses a man of rape, I

887
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 2: believe that, and it's proven. I believe that the woman

888
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: there should be a legislation introduced all over the country.

889
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: I believe that the woman should face the same punishment

890
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: that the man would have faced in the event that

891
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: he was guilty of rape.

892
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: Because what we have.

893
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: Created when we say hashtag believe all women is a

894
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 2: universe where women with they don't even have their names

895
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: oftentimes because of rape shield laws, ever put out publicly

896
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: can attack a man, his name is immediately put out everywhere.

897
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: And if you are later found to be the victim,

898
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 2: like it appears Trevor Bauer was here based on the evidence,

899
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: this is basically ducal ross. If you are found to

900
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: be innocent, you can never go back and reclaim what

901
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: was taken for you by the false allegations, and the

902
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: woman just gets to skate off into the future with

903
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: no consequences for the lies. If you are a survivor

904
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: of sexual assault, you should be one hundred percent opposed

905
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: to any woman that lies about sexual assault because it

906
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: delegitimizes what actually happened to you. Don't you think there

907
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: should be criminal consequences and out in cases like these

908
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: where there are these fake allegations made that are designed

909
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: to ruin a man's life, there should.

910
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: Definitely be criminal consequences. There are criminal consequences everywhere else

911
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: in the law for perjury for lying about not even

912
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: necessarily allegations, but just lying in general. This shouldn't be

913
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 3: separated from that. And you mentioned in the Duke Cross case.

914
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: In that instance, the woman who brought the fake gang

915
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: rape allegation against those Duke lacrosse players, she did not

916
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 3: face any criminal sanction for a clear and provable lie. Right,

917
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 3: there's a difference between this wasn't proven in a court

918
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: of law, meaning you know it's not that okay, this

919
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: person who was accused was acquitted. Now you have to

920
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: turn around and charge the person in the allegation. Obviously,

921
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: you can't do that either. But if it is provable

922
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody lied about this allegation,

923
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: it is in fact in the law that they should

924
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 3: suffer consequences of that. And the Duke Lacrosse accuser went

925
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: on to kill a guy. Yeah, that's so somebody probably

926
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: would be alive today if there had been criminal consequences

927
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 3: for someone who tried to ruin lives. I mean, you know,

928
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: that is The Kavanough moment is still I think one

929
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: of the ugliest things I've ever seen. It might be

930
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: the ugliest thing I've ever seen in American politics. And

931
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, I will never forgive or forget, was a

932
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: major part of that part of the Senate committee that

933
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: was trying to really commit a ritualized and excruciating psychological

934
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 3: torture and destruction of the soul of an entirely obviously

935
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: innocent man. And it was all about protecting abortion. It

936
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: was all about the ends justify the means. Of the

937
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: three women who came forward, they were each lacking in credibility,

938
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 3: but the second and the third went to the point

939
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 3: of being just absurd and insane. You know, you can't

940
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: make allegations against somebody and say, well, I don't really

941
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 3: remember what happened, which is what the second woman did.

942
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: And there were other allegations against Kavanaugh that they didn't

943
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 3: even bring forward because they were so obviously untrue, as

944
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: in Kavanaugh sexually you know this one woman told the

945
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: Senate Committee, or tried to get word of the Senate

946
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 3: Committee that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted her in a state

947
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 3: he had never been in. So that would have been

948
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: that would have been a metaphysical, you know, feat of anyway,

949
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 3: you understand the whole thing is it was crazy, It

950
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 3: was disgusting, and Democrats paid some price politically for it.

951
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 3: I think it costs them the Senate. But we now

952
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: have this have this standard where people can try to

953
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: destroy people based on evidence free allegations. I mean, there's

954
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: no evidence other than I say someone did a thing,

955
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: and it can be a thing that, in the case

956
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 3: of Kavanaugh, is so far ago that what are we

957
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 3: even talking about, Like, how could you defend yourself correct?

958
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: How can you defend yourself against allegations that are that old?

959
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: And in this case with this individual you're talking about now,

960
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: at least he didn't face criminal sanction but he faced

961
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: massive professional sanction. This baseball player, his career has ruined,

962
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 3: His reputation was ruined and destroyed. And where does he

963
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 3: go to get his reputation the last two years of

964
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: his life back and his career and everything else Where

965
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 3: does he go?

966
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: The media to a large extent that helped to ensure

967
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: that he was unable to. So for me about there

968
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 2: who don't understand, he's pitching in Japan now because he's

969
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 2: effectively been banned by Major League Baseball based on these allegations,

970
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: and it's been inevitable that this would happen, Buck, because

971
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: Duke Lacrosse happened. And when you make a decision that

972
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: you're going to determine whether or not this was true. Remember,

973
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: the media wanted Duke Lacrosse to be true because they

974
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: wanted privileged white guys to have raped a black stripper.

975
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: Like they wanted that to happen because it comported with

976
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 2: their worldview. It was perfect for them. Oh, look at

977
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: these rich white kids. They're playing lacrosse at this privileged school.

978
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: Of course they raped. I think there were two girls

979
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: initially that were involved strippers that came to a house

980
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 2: off campus and they shut down the season, they fired

981
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: the Duke lacrosse coach. Ultimately, the Duke Lacrosse players were

982
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 2: able to get massive settlements which we've never had fully

983
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: fully revealed.

984
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: But you would think that would be a lesson for

985
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: sports media, wouldn't you.

986
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know that you could have a

987
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: more clarifying situation than Duke Lacrosse, where those those kids,

988
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: those Duke Lacrosse the players were one hundred percent innocent.

989
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: And now again based on this evidence that has come

990
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: out about Trevor Bauer, it appears that he's one hundred

991
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: percent innocent too. And where do you go to get

992
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: back what was taken for you based on the false allegations?

993
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: And don't tell me Buck that this woman didn't know.

994
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: When Kamala Harris said hashtag We're gonna believe all women,

995
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: that she would be believed because again, identity politics dictate

996
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: that the wealthy white baseball player was the victimizer. That's

997
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: what they want the world to be, because that's what

998
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: the identity politics victimization pyramid, the oppression Olympics dictates has

999
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: to happen.

1000
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 3: And with Kavanaugh, the message that was sent, even though

1001
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 3: he did enough making it to the Supreme Court. And

1002
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: I think that anyone of any who's even vaguely fair

1003
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 3: minded understood the whole thing was just a smear. I mean,

1004
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 3: the ugliest and most disgraceful political smear of my lifetime.

1005
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: I think, oh, oh, Russia collusion was really bad too,

1006
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 3: but that's a of a different kind. But Clay, it

1007
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 3: sends a message to people if you stand against the machine,

1008
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 3: or if you get on the wrong side of the

1009
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 3: politics in this country, people will come forward who will

1010
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: lie about you being a sexual predator in front of

1011
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: your your you know, in front of all of America,

1012
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: your friends and family and everyone that you know, and

1013
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 3: even when they're proven to have been lying, or even

1014
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 3: when it's clear that they're lying, they will feel justified

1015
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: in this because it is worth it to them. And

1016
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 3: the fact that we've never really grappled with that as

1017
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: a country, and there's never really been anybody who has

1018
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 3: come forward to say, you know, that Kavanaugh could have

1019
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: been anyone's dad, anyone's friend, anyone's you know, baseball coach,

1020
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 3: you know, whatever, you know for the little league team.

1021
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: That that was one of the ugliest, most disgraceful things

1022
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: the Democrats ever done it. And I think that as

1023
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 3: a society we need to start having a little bit

1024
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: more of a hold on a second like this baseball

1025
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 3: player to bring it back, you know, full circle again,

1026
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 3: how did this happen to him? Like? How can major

1027
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 3: League Baseball look itself in the mirror and not think

1028
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 3: we we ruined you know, an entirely innocent guy's life

1029
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 3: or at least you know, ruin two years that I

1030
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: you know, it looks sounds like he's going to be

1031
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 3: all right. You know, they're never a criminal charges brought,

1032
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 3: thank god. Yeah, but there could have been as on

1033
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 3: the allegations.

1034
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: I think ultimately buck when it's about his cowardice, because

1035
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: if you are willing to say maybe Trevor Bauer didn't

1036
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: do it, then immediately the media says, oh, you're a

1037
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: rape apologist, right, because everybody is afraid when there's an

1038
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: accusation like this. And I just saw we talked about

1039
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: with Mel Tucker. I mean, don't forget Mel Tucker, the

1040
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: head football coach in Michigan State just lost his eighty

1041
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: million dollar job because a woman claimed that he had

1042
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: engaged in non consensual phone.

1043
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: Sex with her during a thirty six minute phone call.

1044
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: I'm like the only person in all of college football

1045
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: media who said, wait a minute, this is total BS.

1046
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 2: Is that because I'm uniquely in possession of a functional brain. No,

1047
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: it's because all these guys who cover college football are

1048
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: afraid if they speak up and say, yeah, this is BS,

1049
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: that they're going to get targeted and they're going to

1050
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: lose their job. And that's the same reason you got

1051
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: a lot of cowards in Major League Baseball. You got

1052
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: a lot of cowards in this country right now. People

1053
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: don't want to speak up about what's right because they're

1054
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: afraid that they're going to get targeted. And I think,

1055
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 2: to a large extent, that's why so many people are

1056
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: rallying around Trump, because even if they don't think he's

1057
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: one hundred percent innocent, they at least appreciate the fact

1058
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Speaker 2: that he is willing to actually take on the slings

1059
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Speaker 2: and arrows of this illegit a justice system that we

1060
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: have created in order to stand up for in the

1061
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: long run, what may be right?

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Speaker 2: Get podcast extras in the Klayan Buck podcast feed, find

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