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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Any Reese and I'm Lauren bolbil Bam and today

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Speaker 1: we're talking about ice wine. And I am so excited

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Speaker 1: to talk about ice wine. Yes, yes, me too. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know how excited I was going to be until

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Speaker 1: I started reading about it, and then I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is heck and metal. It's so cool, cool begin

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Speaker 1: already off the bat. Yes. Uh. You know, drink responsibly

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Speaker 1: is always with these episodes, um, but this is a

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Speaker 1: topic several of you have requested. And for I know

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Speaker 1: we've told this story before, but for me, I've only

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Speaker 1: ever had ice wine at Epcot and Disney World at

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Speaker 1: the Food and Wine Festival. Yeah. Yes, at the Canadian

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Speaker 1: Food if they have like a flight of ice wines

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Speaker 1: you could try. And I every time I think of that,

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Speaker 1: it warms my heart. We had such a good time

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Speaker 1: we did. That was a that was a really delightful day, um,

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Speaker 1: with really delightful human people. I you know, all all

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Speaker 1: I all I really want to do is walk around

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Speaker 1: a Disney theme park with Clico. Um. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: like how we like took the whole day. We like

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Speaker 1: slowly did it that's very yeah, yeah, one of these

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Speaker 1: one of these years, it's going to be back again. Um.

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, that's get to our question. Ice wine.

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Speaker 1: What is it? Well, ice wine is a type of

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Speaker 1: wine made from frozen grapes. And when has anything that

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Speaker 1: we have ever talked about had this literal of a name. Never? Never,

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Speaker 1: like thank you Germany and the German language, y'all so literal,

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Speaker 1: it's great, oh beautiful. Um, yes, ice vine, I believe

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Speaker 1: is the is the German word for it. But but okay,

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Speaker 1: so ice wine, or let's back up a step from

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Speaker 1: that to just regular wine, because when you make wine,

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Speaker 1: what you're doing is pressing the juice called must in

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Speaker 1: the biz um. You're you're pressing the must from grapes,

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Speaker 1: discarding the skins and pulp, and then adding um, yeast

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Speaker 1: and maybe other stuff to that must that will eat

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Speaker 1: some of the sugars in it and poop alcohol and

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Speaker 1: carbon dioxide. And uh, then you let that happen until

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Speaker 1: you get the alcohol content you want. Then you might

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Speaker 1: treat the wine in a number of ways, filtering, blending, aging, barreling,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, before bottling it. And this is what you

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Speaker 1: do for ice wine, except you are again using frozen grapes,

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Speaker 1: and when you press them, a bunch of the water

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Speaker 1: ice in them sort of sticks with the skins and

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Speaker 1: the pulp, and you discard that too. So so the

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Speaker 1: must that you get has a higher concentration of sugars,

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Speaker 1: acids and flavor compounds than usual, Like you only get

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Speaker 1: about ten to fifteen percent of what a normal yield

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Speaker 1: of must would be when you press ice wine grapes,

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Speaker 1: and that's what you go on to ferment um and

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Speaker 1: make your wine with. And harvesting grapes for wine is

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Speaker 1: always a tricky business, you know, Like you want to

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Speaker 1: get them when they've ripened to just the right point

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Speaker 1: to where they've developed the amount of sugars and acids

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Speaker 1: and flavor compounds that you want for the specific wine

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Speaker 1: that you're making, and there can be any number of

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Speaker 1: ice wine, it's even trickier because you're harvesting and pressing

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Speaker 1: grapes that have frozen on the vines at a good

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Speaker 1: stage of ripeness, and at a temperature it's cold enough

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Speaker 1: but there's still enough liquid in there for you to

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Speaker 1: this is complicated by the fact that sugar lowers the

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Speaker 1: freezing point of water UM. Apparently for the amount or

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Speaker 1: hours before you harvest. There's of course different UM, different

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Speaker 1: from scavenging animals of hungry birds that are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: must and actually borders on being fungicidal, meaning that you're

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Speaker 1: that result um like a delicately sweet, tart, slightly syrupy

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Speaker 1: sparkling ice wines for sale. UM. Generally served chilled. It's

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Speaker 1: just it's just refreshing and warming at the same time. Um.

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Speaker 1: Really great with the cheese course. Mm hmmm. And if

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Speaker 1: Though in many countries it cannot legally be labeled ice wine. UM.

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Speaker 1: It's instead called maybe iced wine or um vinda glass

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Speaker 1: And all of this does mean that it tends to

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Speaker 1: in town. It definitely exists. Well, you know, you can

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Speaker 1: lot of people are doing dry January, and our second

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Speaker 1: historians believe the first ice wines came out of a

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Speaker 1: prior to the harvesting of the crop of grapes, wine

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Speaker 1: By the mid eighteen hundreds, Germany was regularly producing ice wine,

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Speaker 1: a poem, a Roman poem mentioning frost starved November grapes. Um.

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts my heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Thank you

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Speaker 1: as always to our super producers Dylan Vegan and Andrew Howard.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to you for listening and we hope that lots

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Speaker 1: more good things are coming your way