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Speaker 1: say doing the shows that are nothing, but your stories

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Speaker 1: are absolutely my favorite. I just I just dig into

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Speaker 1: Oh we're we're going deep dark this It feels shadow

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a hot mess out there. So don't

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Speaker 1: And who is a big one? This is a big one.

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Speaker 1: my name is Eduardo and I listened to your shows

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Speaker 1: and wow, we've got a doozy. We've got Eduardo who

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Speaker 1: He looked like he was wearing a mask or a

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Speaker 1: had more of the feather in the hat type of

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Speaker 1: scenario with the beige, so he's matching. I guess, I

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00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: don't know. As I got close to my mom, this

427
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: individual decided to slowly I just knew it, and creepily

428
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: lean forward from the chair and ever so slowly try

429
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: to reach for me. You know, I gotta tell you, creepily.

430
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm surprised as a word like it's not being flagged

431
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: on this A copy pasted his email at a word document.

432
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: That's a that's a word, everybody creepily. Um, oh, so

433
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: he reached for you. When this individual flexed it's arm

434
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: to reach for me, I noticed that this individual had

435
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: long fingers and sharp nails and wrinkled hands. Have you,

436
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: guys seen the latest Jurassic World movie and you'll see

437
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: there's a dinosaur on there, a newly introduced one that

438
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: has these extremely long claw like appendages. Okay, and that's

439
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: something that reminds me of hat Man. Believe it or not,

440
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: people describe these disgustingly long, dangly, pointy fingers that he has,

441
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: and some have said bony. Um. But you're seeing that

442
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: they're wrinkled. Oh no, oh no, oh no oh no.

443
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: This gets worse. And then it either growled or moaned

444
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: while it's stretched towards me. I am not kidding your

445
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: head to toe goose bumps. I don't know about you, guys.

446
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: Is scared the poop out of me, and I ran

447
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: for my life as I exited my mother's bedroom. Huh.

448
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: I went to my bedside, scared and kept my eyes

449
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: completely shut, hoping it wouldn't get me. I'm so puzzled,

450
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: what what what was mom thinking? I'm forty nine years old, Now,

451
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: sometime around my early thirties, I questioned my mother, oh,

452
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: thank gosh about the incident several times. She claims she

453
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: doesn't remember anything about it. Huh, she smiles, And I

454
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: chuckled about it with her. But I know what I

455
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: saw and experienced as a little boy, huhm. And see that,

456
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: like I kind of like along the lines of what

457
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: I was thinking. She might have been possessed, because what mother,

458
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: what say? Come? Come? And you said it looked like

459
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: she was having a conversation just prior to her calling

460
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: you over. H I can't help but to wonder how

461
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: sick you were. You were in a weakened state, but

462
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: you set a cold with a fever, Like cold should

463
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: not give you a fever, So I don't know. It's

464
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: it's really strange, but you were in a weakened state

465
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: still nonetheless, So that's a that's so weird. Okay. The

466
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: hat man appeared to me when I was a child,

467
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: and I remember it like it was yesterday. I'm wondering

468
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: why my mother doesn't remember this, why she forgot this? Well,

469
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the things I just brought up. Actually,

470
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: that sounds like almost like she was possessed slightly, that

471
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: he was pulling the strings and using her voice and

472
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: her demeanor and everything to manipulate you to bringing you

473
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: in closer like a spider waiting to trap you. I mean,

474
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: what a what a horrible thing to do. And he

475
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: is known to possess people. She might have been asleep

476
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: and he just kind of wiggled his finger into her

477
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: ear and pulled a few buttons and are pushed and uh, well, ah,

478
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: there you have it. I mean, it sounds so absolutely

479
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: twisted and absurd to think, my mother, how could it

480
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: get happy my mom like that? But he does this

481
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: is this is just what he does, and he's good

482
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: at it, and he's been doing it for a very

483
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: very long time. So we've got a big learning curve

484
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: to better understand him, that's for sure. But there are patterns,

485
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: and that's why I share my emails here so everybody

486
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: can pay attention to the patterns. I'm I've been one

487
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: person sitting behind uh doing columns, writing books, doing cartoons,

488
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: calm anything, TV shows. I was just trying and hoping

489
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: that others could pick up on what it is I'm

490
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: screaming about. And as strange as it sounds, remember before

491
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: this lifetime agreeing to come here to do this too,

492
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: tell teach anything and everything that could get this message across.

493
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: And and now I'm here sharing it with you and

494
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: trying to do it the right way. And I'd like

495
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: to think I'm kind of figuring it out and I've

496
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: been successful in spreading the word to millions. Not everybody

497
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: knows how they came across this information. Um, but you

498
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: hear now, right? Alright, So continuing with this email, alright,

499
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: second question, all right, it's got it totally clear here.

500
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: You had a podcast a few years ago where the

501
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: host was a young black man mhm, I believe where

502
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: he introduced you and said, we have a great show

503
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: today and we got idea allies in the house, and

504
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: that's all I remember what he said. But you talked

505
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: about the haunted house you grew up in, talked about

506
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: your Puerto Rican roommate in college, and other paranormal occurrences

507
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: and aliens. That podcast was removed from YouTube or the

508
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: uploader removed it from YouTube for personal reasons. Do you

509
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: know which podcast I'm referring to? You did it a

510
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: few years before COVID struck. It was an excellent broadcast.

511
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: You talked about how the aliens were speaking through your

512
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: roommate and that they didn't want to get close enough

513
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: to the ground because we have the technology to shoot

514
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: them down. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, those are all the things

515
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: I talked about generally, UM programs like two hours long.

516
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: I do believe I know what you're speaking of, And

517
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: I talked about these matters on several shows, not just

518
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: that one. So on most interviews you'll hear me talking

519
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: about these things. If people ask the right questions, I

520
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: will definitely lee touch on those types of subjects. Um.

521
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, so, and please tell me why the hat

522
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: man appeared to me when I was little? What did

523
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: I do? About seven years ago? A psychic told me

524
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: that my energy was at a very high vibrational frequency.

525
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: Manager was very very high and hot. I'm wondering if

526
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: that had something to do with it, even when I

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00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: was a child. Hope to hear from you soon, Sincerely, Eduardo,

528
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: Thank you EDWARDO for reaching out. UM, I believe you're

529
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: speaking of Hocus. I was on his program and UM, yeah,

530
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: he's been on his show a few times, really really

531
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: lively conversation and UM, you know what's uh when it

532
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: comes to people that experience hat Man, they're I was like,

533
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: why me, what what did I ever do? This thing

534
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: was so evil it wanted me. It pop tears your

535
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: mother to get access to you. So he was really

536
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: trying hard. Like that's a unique bend. But he does this,

537
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: he does this before a first timer. That's kind of

538
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: kind of different, you know, kind of wrapped my head

539
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: around that for first time introduction. He just tried to

540
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: grab ahold of you m hm and moved in slow motion,

541
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: and he wore a different outfit with a feather in

542
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: his hat. That's interesting. Um. Yeah, I can't always explain

543
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: his motivations and his uh um ways of trying to

544
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: gain access to a person, but I will say I

545
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: will say that, Um, for him to go through so

546
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: much trouble, there's something definitely different about you. I mean,

547
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: especially when when it comes to children and people are like,

548
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 1: you know, wow, they really this thing was really going

549
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: after the kid. The kid especial. Usually nine times out

550
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: of ten, the kid is able to understand, notice, perceive

551
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: little advancements in mankind's abilities, if you will. Um, And

552
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: these are attractive to hat Man because what is he

553
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: trying to do he's trying to slow our progress. He's

554
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: trying to slow the role of mankind until evolve to

555
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: teach others to spiritually be awoken. Awaked, Um, awaked and

556
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: awake up. I don't know, um, but you have to

557
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: wake up. Uh, smell the roses. See the universe that

558
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: we are in the midst of, and how we are

559
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: a part of it and everything, and how we're connected

560
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: to other beings and souls and just the whole big shebang.

561
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: And if you're somebody who is sincere awake kind, these

562
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: are also evolutionary elements of mankind because oh, we can

563
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: be brutal, can't We can't we? And I think that's

564
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: the scary part about this whole notion of us can

565
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: creating AI artificial intelligence. Well, we haven't got this stuff

566
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: figured out ourselves, but you know, I'm gonna kind of

567
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: wrap it up on your email here after the break,

568
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: So you guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light

569
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: with me, Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and

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00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast, a AM paranormal podcast network. Stick around,

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00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of your emails. Hang

572
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: in there. Heidi's coming right back on the I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast, a M paranormal podcast network.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast,

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Speaker 1: a M paranormal podcast network with the best shows that

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Speaker 1: explore the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. You can enjoy

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Speaker 1: or wherever find your favorite podcasts. Welcome back. You are

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Speaker 1: listening to Dark That Comes Lighte with Me Heidi Hollis

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Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast i

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00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast Network. Just before the break, Eduardo wrote

582
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: me a nice juicy email and it is always appreciated

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00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: here on this program to give as much detail as

584
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: you can. And uh, he had a common question. You

585
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: know why me I was a kid. Hat man came

586
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: for me, used my mother as a puppet tear to

587
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: pull me in and your mom totally doesn't remember it.

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00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: I mean she was like in a sleep walking state,

589
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: sounds like to me. And he kind of stuck his

590
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: little fingers in the wrong places and pulled her strings

591
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: and try to grab ahold of you, try to make

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00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: an easy grab. You know some he's very opportunistic, very

593
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: much so, and your light must have been awfully bright.

594
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: And he took a look and said, oh, there you

595
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: have it. Uh. You know, a lot of people tell me,

596
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, a psychic once told me this. And let

597
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: me tell you, I was never a huge believer of psychics, okay,

598
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: because I've had people tell me things so much over

599
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: the years that, um, I just always kind of left

600
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: it too. If I'm meant to know it, I will,

601
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: It'll come to me at some point. I've experienced a

602
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: lot of things and people are like, oh, you're a medium,

603
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: Oh you're this. I can't put a title to these things.

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00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: All I know is they happen, and I'm honest, and

605
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: I put it out there when things happen, and hope

606
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: people can relate, or I hope I can find answers,

607
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: and you know, at some point I'm going to share

608
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: it with you guys about some really big doozies of

609
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: things that I've been learning. And oh man, my life

610
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: turned upside down for a bit and flipped a little

611
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: bit sideways and then backflip and boy, the things I'm learning. Uh,

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00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: you know, so you never know with life, You just

613
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: never know, especially if you have a paranormal life. Um,

614
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: so any who, um where was I? Yeah, so you know,

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00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: these things happen, and I feel that, Edward O, that

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00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: you obviously caught hat Man's attention. So did your mom

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00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: some kind of vulnerability and very religious woman. Uh, you know,

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00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: people try to cover themselves in prayers and uh, and

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00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: then when something slips in, you know, they're shocked, you know,

620
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: like could have taken over my mother. He's opportunistic. Again.

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00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: She could have had a dream of of of something

622
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: like a puppy came up to her feet and she

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00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: picked it up while it was hat Man and that

624
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: belly of that little beast, a little fuzzy little thing.

625
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: But that doesn't seem right, you know. Well, but something

626
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: in her gut might have told her something's wrong with us, puppy,

627
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna pick it up anyways, and goo gucchi gucchi.

628
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: You know. But it sounds crazy, but he does anything

629
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: it takes to gain that acknowledgement, that access, and once

630
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: he's in, he tries to see what else he can do. Um. So, yeah,

631
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: you caught us attention. I take it as a compliment,

632
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: but very very freaky and very scary. I understand that

633
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: you have not lost the image of what it was

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00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: that you experienced all these years later. And I don't

635
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: know many people who forget their Hatman experiences unless they

636
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: passed out, hit their head, you know, cause a little

637
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: brain damage. Um, but it's it's a life changing event,

638
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: and you know, not unto experience it. People just don't

639
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: quite understand how that could happen. But um, I feel you,

640
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: um spell show you how, Edward. Oh. I don't want

641
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: to be one of those special ones. But yeah, um okay,

642
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: thank you for writing me though, EDWARDO, and taking the

643
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: time for all of the cool little images and all

644
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: the words too. Alright, moving on to the next email.

645
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Speaker 1: This one says, dear Heidie, Hello, I would like to

646
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: talk to you more about hat Man. Okay, we're having

647
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: a conversation here. Um. He has been with me since

648
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: I was a boy. I'm so sorry, But unlike most people,

649
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: I do not believe he intends to do me harm. Okay, okay,

650
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: but instead I am starting to believe he is there

651
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: to watch over me and protect me. Who's Hidie? Who's um?

652
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: Who didn't I tell you guys, Every once in a while,

653
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: I get these types of emails, I do. I get

654
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: these types of emails or people like I think, I

655
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: think he's there to protect me. But okay, you have

656
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: experienced him since you're a boy, and now you've come

657
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: to this conclusion, I bet you're scared as a kid.

658
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: If you're not scared now, but you still have intervals

659
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: of it, um, because that is just that's him. Do

660
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: not be fooled. Do not give him a new title. Okay,

661
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: just please don't. I beg you. But a lot of

662
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,959
Speaker 1: people do this and I can't help. But I think

663
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: the reasons why is because you know, it's always say

664
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: he's always watching, he's got this I don't know, it's

665
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: this feeling of you know, lingering, and it's like, well,

666
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't harm me yet, so what what other role

667
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: could he have? Well maybe he's just a stuning guard.

668
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: Well just so you know, you're not the first one,

669
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you won't be the last. All right, continuing,

670
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: Look what's the next the next letter, the next letter,

671
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: the next line. He is still very scary when he

672
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: is around. Okay, so are we having this conversation, But okay,

673
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I'm listening, but I believe he keeps trying

674
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: to warn me of things, and I believe he's trying

675
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: to communicate to me about quote something, but I can't

676
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: decode his symbolism. Mm hmm. My stepfather was a nondenominational pastor,

677
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: and I grew up in the church. I know the

678
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: Old and New Testament almost by heart, so I do

679
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: have a quote unquote religious background. My seven year old

680
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: son has just had an encounter with him while we

681
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: were camping. Oh. Sorry, it just goes through the generations. Unfortunately,

682
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: it really does happen that way. Um, and my son

683
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: he described him perfectly. He has been turning on my

684
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: lights while we sleep. He usually plays with electrical things.

685
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: There is so many many things I could tell you.

686
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: I want speak to him. Oh come on, come on,

687
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: come on, come on, come on, come on and find

688
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: out why he has saved me and warned me so

689
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: many times in my life. Now, if that's true, and

690
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: this is not just an element of your interpretation, why

691
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: didn't you share those stories? What did he what did

692
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: he do? A camping trip? Your son saw, I'm okay,

693
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: but he saved you? Sure? Please do um, I've heard

694
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: that before as well. And with every favor he does,

695
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: you owe him. Unfortunately, now I remember we are talking

696
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: about something that calls himself the devil. Okay, he literally

697
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: calls himself that pridefully, and he's doing your favors. I mean,

698
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just that's not good. It's not good. Okay. Um,

699
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: so many things are gonna tell me okay, blah blah

700
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: blah many times in your life. I fear if I

701
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: was to try and get rid of him out of

702
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: my life, then I would be helpless. Codependency not good,

703
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: but it is a phenomenon I can't explain, and especially

704
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: when all the stuff I read says the hat man

705
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: is evil. I don't exactly agree. Phil mm hmmm, you

706
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: don't exactly agree. But did your son feel warm and

707
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: fuzzy about him? And you hear about that? Um, he's

708
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: very scary when he's around. Okay. Why if he's there

709
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: and he's just saved you so much, you know, it's like,

710
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: please understand, Um, because he hasn't caused you direct harm

711
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's good. He's working his way. He'll take

712
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: a lifetime sometimes it work and wear people down. And

713
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: now he found an access to your son. Is that? Okay?

714
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: You know? He is perverted. He is and uh, I

715
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: hate to say that, but he has a knack for

716
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: causing harm in all kinds of ways, all kinds of

717
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: scar tissue that he could build up, he will do it,

718
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: and he wears you down. He just wears you down

719
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: until the point that you know, now you see him

720
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: as being a good guy. Potentially all right, you know

721
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: exactly agrees evil, but potentially he's not this, or potentially

722
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: he's not that. But please be weary and larry that

723
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: he is. He is not a friend. Did you invite him?

724
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: Did you did you willingly invite him? Did you want

725
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: him to meet your son? Was this an introductory introductory? Uh?

726
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, expose like, oh, wouldn't buy the way,

727
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: here's my boy, go ahead and have Adam for the

728
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: rest of his life like he did to me, So

729
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: he couldn't be protected. Right, Do not feel helpless? Okay,

730
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: because one thing I learned, and it seems so strange,

731
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: but this is absolutely what happened to me. I was

732
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: terrified at the dark because I had seen what was

733
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: in the dark. I didn't want to be in the dark,

734
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: and I knew I had to get over that because

735
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: that old saying of once a student is ready, the

736
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: teacher will appear right. And once I learned to get

737
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: rid of that fear of these dark things, I started

738
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: to have experiences with the light of things and I

739
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: mean angelic, I mean Jesus encounters, and you know, all

740
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: these different things and and no I don't do drugs,

741
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: and no I'm not into strange things and I'm not

742
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to meditate. Just being honest,

743
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm not even good at that. Um So when you

744
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: shut down something like him, you can and will be

745
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: okay because there are bigger and better protectors out there

746
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: for you and your son. You don't want it to

747
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: be wearing a gaucho hat and blackness and red glowing eyes. No,

748
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: you do not want that. And uh yeah, I've said

749
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: many times here on the show, and how to protect yourself.

750
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: You can find a document on my Facebook group which

751
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: is Shadow People in hat Man Experience Er And uh yeah,

752
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: if you send me a message anywhere on any of

753
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: social media at one Heidi Hollis. Put a one in

754
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: front of my name on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, all

755
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: of it. You know, it's all at one Heidi Hollis,

756
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: and I'll send over the way to get rid of

757
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: him and watch watch what happens. Okay, And I want

758
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: to tell everybody you know, be sure to go to

759
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: my website Shadow Folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot

760
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: com and tell me your stories, tell me what you

761
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: want me to talk about here on this show and

762
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: I will definitely I boaden into it. And uh again,

763
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: and I really really humbled that you guys trust me

764
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: to send over what it is if you're experiencing, and um,

765
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just doing what I can to lighten

766
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: the load of others out there. And yeah, this stuff

767
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: is heavy, but I got this. Uh, I've got the

768
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 1: positive on my side. I'm all about my beliefs and

769
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: faith and God and Jesus and all that good stuff. Um,

770
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: I always say, sprinkles and Jesus on it and you'll

771
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: be okay. All right, you guys, we have come to

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00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: the bottom of another fabulous program. You have been listening

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00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: to Dark that Comes Light with me Heidi Hollis on

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00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.

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