WEBVTT - Part Two: Jeff Bezos and the Birth of Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here again. As I stated last time,

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<v Speaker 1>this episode ran very long, so we split into two parts. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to just dive into the episode with Jake

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<v Speaker 1>and I right now, So thanks for listening watching if

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<v Speaker 1>you can see sound. Um. In any case, here's more bezos.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff had been a demanding taskmaster to his employees up

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<v Speaker 1>to this point, but he also sounds like he was

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<v Speaker 1>a reasonably well liked boss that complaints you here later

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<v Speaker 1>about him. He's very strict, he's very like dedicated. He

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<v Speaker 1>wants a lot of work out of you. UM. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't heard anything like allegations that he was abusive at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, and that's because I think he's not really

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<v Speaker 1>in charge. He's not running the company. He's got people

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<v Speaker 1>above him, and I think that tempers some of what

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<v Speaker 1>will later become his worst attributes as a boss. For

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<v Speaker 1>some time, Jeff had been talking out different business ideas

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<v Speaker 1>with his mentor, David Shaw. Many of these ideas were

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<v Speaker 1>financed focused, but one of the ideas they would talk

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<v Speaker 1>about was what they call the Everything Store. Now. The

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<v Speaker 1>Internet was young back then, and it was still very small,

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<v Speaker 1>but both men were enough future focused to understand its

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<v Speaker 1>potential and the fact that an online company that could

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<v Speaker 1>sell products directly from manufacturer to consumer could save a

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<v Speaker 1>fortune on store space and among other things and undercut

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<v Speaker 1>retail chains. This was not a revolutionary idea. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>a number of people realized this was going to happen

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<v Speaker 1>at some point, but Jeff and David are talking about

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<v Speaker 1>it very early on, and Jeff did come up with

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<v Speaker 1>one innovative plan for how this store would work. His

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<v Speaker 1>idea was that it should be driven by customer reviews.

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<v Speaker 1>Any customers should be able to leave a review, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, all of those reviews should be collected,

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<v Speaker 1>and you should get people buying, should be like shown

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<v Speaker 1>products based on what which stuff is best reviewed? UM. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this had never been done on a large scale. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how the whole internet works now. But Jeff is really

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of the first person who commits to doing

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<v Speaker 1>this anywhere in internet commerce. UM. And that's really when

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking kind of what set Amazon initially apart from

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<v Speaker 1>other attempts. That was a big part of it. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>For a while, the Everything Store was a fun thought

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<v Speaker 1>experiment for Shaw, but Bezos grew obsessed with it in

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<v Speaker 1>his free time, he would read analyzes of the growth

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<v Speaker 1>of the early Internet, and in nine he came across

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<v Speaker 1>information that web activity had surged by two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty thousand percent in the last year. So he thought

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<v Speaker 1>quite accurately that someone could make a shipload of money

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<v Speaker 1>on the Internet with a growth percentage like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>he decides to quit his high paying job because he's

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<v Speaker 1>already very success He could have stayed at D. E.

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<v Speaker 1>Shaw for the rest of his career and almost certainly

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<v Speaker 1>would have been a multimillionaire. You know, UM would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a very successful career, but he's he wants more

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<v Speaker 1>than that, so he quits his job. Um kind of

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<v Speaker 1>baffles his mentor, and he and his new wife, Mackenzie

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<v Speaker 1>Flight of Texas, grab a ship car from some family

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<v Speaker 1>members and drive to California. Mackenzie drives while Jeff spends

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time like putting together spreadsheets and reading different

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<v Speaker 1>sort of business laws and figuring out how he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to make this this company he wants to form work Um.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things he finds out on his drive

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<v Speaker 1>is that, due to a nineteen two Supreme Court case,

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<v Speaker 1>merchants did not have to collect sales tax and states

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't operate in. And this is kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>loophole that makes early Amazon dot Com possible, the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that like again when it because a big part of

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<v Speaker 1>it is that they can really undercut prices. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>that is we're not paying for a brick and mortar store,

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't have to pay for like employees to

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<v Speaker 1>stock ship, we don't have to play pay for storage space.

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<v Speaker 1>We can sell direct from the manufacturer. But part of

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<v Speaker 1>it is due that is because if you're an online

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<v Speaker 1>retailer in this period, you don't have to collect sales

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<v Speaker 1>tax from any state but the one year in So

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<v Speaker 1>if people who live in the state that your business

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<v Speaker 1>is operated in buy from you, they have to pay

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<v Speaker 1>sales tax, but nobody else does, which again means you

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<v Speaker 1>can undercut everybody else. So Jeff had initially picked California

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<v Speaker 1>as the place to launch Amazon dot Com, but when

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<v Speaker 1>he learns about this law, he moves to Washington State instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and he picks Washington because number one, no income

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<v Speaker 1>tax in Washington. I think that has an impact on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two, and I think the main reason he picks

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<v Speaker 1>it is because it has really good infrastructure. Microsoft is

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<v Speaker 1>based near Seattle, so it has the kind of infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>you need to create a tech company. But almost no

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<v Speaker 1>one lives in Washington. The whole Pacific Northwest is very

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<v Speaker 1>like sparsely populated, so it meant that like the least

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<v Speaker 1>number of customers possible would have to pay sales tax

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<v Speaker 1>for Amazon products, and no one in the other forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine states has to pay. The initial plan was to

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<v Speaker 1>sell books, because virtually all books came from one or

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<v Speaker 1>two distribution companies who already had good distribution infrastructure, and

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<v Speaker 1>because books are comparatively simple to ship and store. The

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<v Speaker 1>plan from the beginning, but from Jeff, was to make

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<v Speaker 1>money selling a single product online and then branch out

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<v Speaker 1>eventually to selling everything. The first name for what would

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<v Speaker 1>be called Amazon was very stupid. Jeff wanted to call

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<v Speaker 1>it Cadabra Incorporated, like like a yeah, that was his

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<v Speaker 1>was really married to this name for a while, um,

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<v Speaker 1>which is terrible, and a lot of his friends tell

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<v Speaker 1>him it's a bad name. There's kind of this like

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<v Speaker 1>early Journey, where everyone around Jeff is being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how about this as a name? How about this is

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<v Speaker 1>a name? Like one of his friends suggest, why don't

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<v Speaker 1>we just call it make it so dot com based

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<v Speaker 1>on like Captain Picard, who T and G is on

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<v Speaker 1>the air at the point, and that's like Jeff's favorite

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<v Speaker 1>Star Trek character. I think they decide not to do

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<v Speaker 1>that because I'm sure it would be copyright infringement. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So they stick with Cadabra, even though everyone's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>talk him out of it. Um. He and Mackenzy get

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<v Speaker 1>to Seattle. They rent a three bedroom home, which is

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<v Speaker 1>their first headquarters. They operated out of the garage, and

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<v Speaker 1>they immediately set to work starting a business. Their first lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>the first lawyer for what becomes Amazon, is the one

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<v Speaker 1>who finally talks Jeff out of Cadabra Incorporated as a name,

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<v Speaker 1>and he does so by pointing out that over the

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<v Speaker 1>phone it sounds like saying cadaver, and He's like, people,

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<v Speaker 1>as I got a yeah, that's not a bad point. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting together in their living room, m Z and Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>Bezos registered a number of domains with potential names Awake

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<v Speaker 1>dot com, brows dot com, book Mall dot com. The

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<v Speaker 1>name they kept coming back to was relentless dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>They really like this. Jeff loves that name. He like

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<v Speaker 1>I think he prefers it to Amazon. I believe it

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<v Speaker 1>is still his favorite possible name for his company, Relentless.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he thinks is the best possible name. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's shit. Um. I think Amazon's a fine name

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<v Speaker 1>for a company. Yeah, relentless is a bad name. But

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff never is able to really let this go. He

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<v Speaker 1>buys the relentless dot com domain in n He really

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<v Speaker 1>tries to make this happen again. His friends kind of

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<v Speaker 1>come together, friends and like early employees, and eventually you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's creepy, Jeff, Like, it's a creepy name for your store.

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<v Speaker 1>People are not going it's not going to be good

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<v Speaker 1>for us UM and Amazon. He finally gets convinced to

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<v Speaker 1>pick Amazon, and the reason they decide on it is

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<v Speaker 1>that it kind of speak to his how grand his

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<v Speaker 1>goal is because the Amazon is the biggest river in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, right um, But it also is is it's

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<v Speaker 1>a placid name. It's not a name that scares anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jeff never gives up on relentless dot com entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, Jake, if you open a browser right

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<v Speaker 1>now and you type in relentless dot com, it'll take

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<v Speaker 1>you to Amazon. Well and dot com. Jesus Christ couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even give it to the drinks company, just like nope. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's one of those things. It's this, it's what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been kind of coming back to and back to.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like he's never really changed as a person, Like

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<v Speaker 1>he liked everything about him today is the same as

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<v Speaker 1>when he was in sixth grade pretty much. And obviously

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<v Speaker 1>the fact like he wanted relentless dot com to be

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<v Speaker 1>the name. I don't think he every gets over that,

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<v Speaker 1>um relentless, that it's relentless energy dot com. That's so long, man,

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<v Speaker 1>he can sell it to them. Yeah, another one of

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon's victims, that energy company. You know who else is

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<v Speaker 1>a victim of Amazon? Jeff Well, Jeff Jake, the products

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<v Speaker 1>and services that support this podcast. Yeah, actually, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>a number of them sell products on Amazon. But whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need to think about that as uh we

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<v Speaker 1>are back so uh. The same month that Jeff bought

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<v Speaker 1>the relentless dot com domain, he drove down to Portland,

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon to take a four day course on book selling

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<v Speaker 1>sponsored by the American Booksellers Association. He learned the ropes

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<v Speaker 1>of the business, and soon they were off selling books

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<v Speaker 1>at a slow pace at first. UM and Jeff and

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<v Speaker 1>his first couple of employees are like physically because the

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<v Speaker 1>way it works is they're they're buying books from one

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<v Speaker 1>of the two distributors who sells books to all the bookstores.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they get in order. They order the book from

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<v Speaker 1>the distributor, and then the distributorship the book to them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they mail the book to the customer. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have a warehouse, they have a garage, so

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<v Speaker 1>like they're getting books as they're ordered and their painstakingly

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<v Speaker 1>mailing out each book themselves. And Jeff is to his credit,

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<v Speaker 1>involved in all of the ship work from the start,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's putting stuff in packages, he's picking up deliveries,

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<v Speaker 1>he's mailing them off, and so is Mackenzie. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we're like they're all kind of doing everything right, all

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<v Speaker 1>of the early employees are doing every part of running

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<v Speaker 1>the business. There's no there's no like where there's no

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<v Speaker 1>warehouse staff, right, Like Jeff is the warehouse and so

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<v Speaker 1>is Mackenzie. Like everyone is everything in early Amazon. Um

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<v Speaker 1>that said, when it came to funding Amazon, other people

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<v Speaker 1>did most of the heavy lifting. Amazon did start with

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand dollars that Jeff Bezos had saved up himself,

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<v Speaker 1>and another eight four thousand dollars in what are generally

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as interest free loans. Now, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this company this money actually came from his first employees.

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<v Speaker 1>He would basically when he was bringing he would he

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<v Speaker 1>was hiring people he'd met elsewhere in business and saying like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>you come to this company, take a pay cut, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you pay I'll let you buy stock now, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and like that's a big part of how he founds

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<v Speaker 1>the early company. So for example, um, his first employee

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<v Speaker 1>is a guy named Shell Kaplan, who many consider the

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<v Speaker 1>co founder of the company and who Jeff later kind

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<v Speaker 1>of betrays. Shell was Jeff's good friend, and he joins

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon because he believes in the vision of the company

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<v Speaker 1>so much that he takes a fifty pay cut and

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<v Speaker 1>he pays five grand to buy stock when he joins

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<v Speaker 1>in order to help fund the company. Oh he must

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<v Speaker 1>be fucking loaded enough. Oh yeah, I mean he's yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he did very very well. And in fact, like he

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<v Speaker 1>considered buying more but didn't want to gamble that much.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, I mean, it worked out well for him. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff's parents were the first angel investors he had, dumping

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred thousand dollars of their oil money into the venture.

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<v Speaker 1>In early nine, Jeff told his parents there was a

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<v Speaker 1>seventy chance they'd lose it all, explaining, I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to know what the risks are because I still want

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<v Speaker 1>to come home for Thanksgiving if this doesn't work. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>which is at least respectable. Uh. From the beginning, Amazon's

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<v Speaker 1>promise to customers was a bookstore that was always in stock.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they were really just letting regular people order books

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<v Speaker 1>the same way that bookstores did, straight from the people

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<v Speaker 1>who actually like kept them in a warehouse and charging

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<v Speaker 1>a premium for the privilege. The book distributors had a

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<v Speaker 1>rule where they'd only ship a book if you ordered

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<v Speaker 1>ten at a time. Since Amazon wasn't selling enough books

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<v Speaker 1>to to order ten books at a time generally, the

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<v Speaker 1>company developed a sneaky strategy of ordering the book they needed,

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<v Speaker 1>and like nine copies of an out of print book,

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<v Speaker 1>if the books were out of stock or out of print,

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<v Speaker 1>the order would get auto canceled by the ordering software UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and the one book that Amazon needed would get shipped

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<v Speaker 1>their way. And so that's how they got over this

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<v Speaker 1>limit was kind of like fucking with the system and

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<v Speaker 1>and hurting this company's profitability that they were utterly reliant on.

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<v Speaker 1>But at this stage, it's not really a big enough

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<v Speaker 1>business that anyone notices what they're doing. Um, In its

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<v Speaker 1>first year of operation, Amazon required another cash infusion from

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff's parents, this one of a hundred and forty five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars. So fucking hell he gets I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of funded by x on Mobile, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>his dad gets rich from x on Mobile, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what allows Amazon to survive its first year or two.

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<v Speaker 1>What what I don't get is why did he need

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<v Speaker 1>those big lumps of money from his parents. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you already had like a really good job. I know

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<v Speaker 1>he quit, but did he not like save anything, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? I don't know. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>an idea too. I think tim grand which is what

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<v Speaker 1>he invested in, its more money. I don't, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't. I don't know if it's that he made

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<v Speaker 1>his parents put most of the investment in, or if

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<v Speaker 1>he just like legitimately that was kind of what you

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<v Speaker 1>made in fintech at that point. I really don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what his actual net worth was. Um, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's it is kind of worth noting as a

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<v Speaker 1>number of people will always point out that like, again,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's he's very reliant on his his family money

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<v Speaker 1>in order to uh, you know, a couple of hundred grand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not an insignificant investment against the thing that all

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<v Speaker 1>these guys have in common. Um. That said, Bezos and

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<v Speaker 1>his early employees knew that like mom and dad's money

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<v Speaker 1>ain't gonna keep going forever, and they have to pound

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<v Speaker 1>the pavement to find investors. It was not an easy

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<v Speaker 1>sell at first Amazon. The year his mom and dad

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<v Speaker 1>put a hundred and four you have granted into the business,

0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the company lost three hundred thousand dollars. Um. Amazon is

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<v Speaker 1>a lost leader for a while. Jeff told every potential

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<v Speaker 1>investor that the company had a seventy chance of failing,

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<v Speaker 1>but he projected net sales of seventy four million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>by the year two thousands. So he's like, yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>losing money now, but we'll be making tens of millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars by the year two thousand. And it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things I think at the time most people

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<v Speaker 1>would have probably rightly been like, well that is a

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<v Speaker 1>is nonsense, Like you're just you're just pulling a number

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<v Speaker 1>out of your ass. He was actually pessimistic with that estimate,

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<v Speaker 1>because actual net sales for Amazon in the year two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand were one point six four billion dollars um. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon still loses money in the year two thousand up

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<v Speaker 1>until like two thousand fifteen. I think they're losing money constantly. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>but their income grows and that's why people keep investing

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<v Speaker 1>in them, and then they keep like reinvesting their profits

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<v Speaker 1>back into expanding the business. Um. So the investment money

0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.520
<v Speaker 1>starts to come in. N venture capitalists port tens of

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<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars into Amazon, and things begin moving very

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<v Speaker 1>fast for Jeff. Amazon's first company motto was get Big Fast,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also the motto for a significant portion of

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<v Speaker 1>steroid twitter. Um. And I guess we can make a

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<v Speaker 1>comment about all the testosterone Jeff appears to be taking

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<v Speaker 1>these days. But yeah, he got big fast, that's for sure. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The company had its I p O in nine. It

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<v Speaker 1>succeeded in winning a stupid legal fight with Barnes and Noble,

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<v Speaker 1>who are like desperate to try to kill Amazon, but

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<v Speaker 1>not quite smart enough to figure out how UM and

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<v Speaker 1>it expands from books to CDs, DVDs, toys, and electronics.

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<v Speaker 1>In his first letter to shareholders, Jeff Bezos and some

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<v Speaker 1>of his early employees wrote, this is day one for

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet, and if we execute well day one for

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon dot Com. Now that is important because it's become

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a religion within Amazon corporate culture. You

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<v Speaker 1>will hear day one constantly. There's Day one posters everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff regularly emphasizes the need for day one thinking. Treating

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<v Speaker 1>what they're doing like it's the first time anybody's done

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<v Speaker 1>it again. Not a bad way too, obviously, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a part of the company's success. That's not a bad

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<v Speaker 1>way to look at things if you're trying to innovate them. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>For its first few years, Amazon grew meteorically. Bezos was

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<v Speaker 1>Person of the Year in nineteen, which actually causes some

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<v Speaker 1>problems for him because the article itself and all the

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<v Speaker 1>attention generated by this fawning piece helps to send a

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<v Speaker 1>flood of customers to Amazon for holiday season, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the first time Amazon has a huge holiday season.

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<v Speaker 1>They've recently expanded to products other than books. Um, and

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<v Speaker 1>they get all this media attention and people start flowing

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<v Speaker 1>flooding there to like buy Christmas presents and Hanakah presents

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff from them. Um and Bezos had put millions

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<v Speaker 1>in investment capital into expanding Amazon for this moment. This

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<v Speaker 1>had been his goal and was part of the strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>But they kind of suck it up because actually keeping

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<v Speaker 1>number one, keeping the most popular toys and stock proved

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<v Speaker 1>to be kind of impossible. They were selling too fast,

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<v Speaker 1>but a bunch of other stuff they bought didn't sell,

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<v Speaker 1>and so like their warehouses are filled with unsold inventory

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<v Speaker 1>while people can't get the products that they actually want. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It's enough of like a cluster fuck, and largely caused

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<v Speaker 1>by issues with the warehouse right, Like he hadn't scaled

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<v Speaker 1>up distribution enough in order to actually handle the demand.

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<v Speaker 1>They've only got like five warehouses at this point. So

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<v Speaker 1>this causes enough of a calamity that it starts. It

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<v Speaker 1>results in this like flood of bad press. Journalists start

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<v Speaker 1>writing articles about how Amazon stock is overvalued and like

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<v Speaker 1>the company is about to come to a crashing end,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's actually really kind of an existential threat for Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>and in order to kind of meet the threat, Bezos

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<v Speaker 1>institutes what he calls a Save Santa operation. He forces

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<v Speaker 1>his like all of his employees, like the guys who

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<v Speaker 1>are like coding, the people who are like doing marketing,

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are like all of his like actual

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<v Speaker 1>staff employees, he forces to take two weeks each leave

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<v Speaker 1>their families and spend two weeks of the holidays staffing

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<v Speaker 1>customer service lines or working distribution in like isolated warehouses.

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<v Speaker 1>To save money, workers were kept two to a hotel room.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna quote from the Everything Store here to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this first big Amazon holiday season infirmly. Some

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<v Speaker 1>employees stayed at the Golden Nugget in Reno, and after

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<v Speaker 1>they worked at the graveyard shift, they met for beers

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<v Speaker 1>at the casino bar at six am. Later, a few

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<v Speaker 1>swore they had been working alongside furloughed prisoners from a

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<v Speaker 1>nearby jail, though that is difficult to prove. Early employee

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<v Speaker 1>Tom shon Hoff was among the group that went to Delaware,

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<v Speaker 1>where the facility was having problems with the quality of

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<v Speaker 1>the temporary labor pool. There were a lot of temp

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<v Speaker 1>workers that looked like the rehab center had pushed them

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<v Speaker 1>out the back door. He says he watched one worker

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<v Speaker 1>get fired for intoxication and then wet himself while he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to protest. So, yeah, we're starting to see the beginnings,

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<v Speaker 1>right of like the Jeff Wayno today, it was enough

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<v Speaker 1>of a debacle that some executives and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a mix of how badly the Christmas season goes and

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<v Speaker 1>how like how infuriated they are by this time article

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<v Speaker 1>where he like is fluffing himself and that leads to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of this rush on Amazon. Some executives try

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<v Speaker 1>to push him out of his company. They call him

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<v Speaker 1>impetuous and controlling Um, and this sparks a fight with

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<v Speaker 1>the board and alleged fight with the board. Some board

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<v Speaker 1>members deny it happened. There are there are other people

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<v Speaker 1>who are executives at the time who say it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this fight to try to oust Jeff Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is not that long after uh, Steve Jobs had

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<v Speaker 1>been ousted from Apple, right, there's this period where Jobs

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<v Speaker 1>gets forced out of Apple. He creates a computer company,

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<v Speaker 1>he creates pixar Um. Jeff manages to avoid this happening

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<v Speaker 1>because he keeps the majority of Amazon stock, but the

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<v Speaker 1>early years are rough, and you know, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people saying Amazon and is dead in the like

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand, two thousand one, people saying the company is

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<v Speaker 1>never going to survive another couple of years. Bezos actually

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<v Speaker 1>gets investigated for insider trading in two thousand one because

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<v Speaker 1>of like how bad some of the financial decisions he

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<v Speaker 1>makes are. Um and the company is just bleeding money

0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.960
<v Speaker 1>through its early years, like their their profits are increasing rapidly,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're just like pissing cash into a fucking trash fire.

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<v Speaker 1>That said, by the early odds, things had started to

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<v Speaker 1>stabilize and the company began to grow like exponentially. It's

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<v Speaker 1>profitability again. They're still losing money, but they're growing profits

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<v Speaker 1>by so much that investors are willing to keep pumping

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<v Speaker 1>money into the company because they're like, well, if we

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<v Speaker 1>stop reinvesting in the company, eventually there will be dividends

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<v Speaker 1>and shipped for us. It's just yeah, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like how he sells this to them, um,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the broad strokes of the rest of

0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.280
<v Speaker 1>the story, Jake, everybody does because we've all lived through it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon expands steadily and despite losing to Apple in the

0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:59.040
<v Speaker 1>digital music race because Jeff Bezos doesn't understand music. The

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<v Speaker 1>company rises is to become the globe striding colossus we

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<v Speaker 1>all know today. To close us out, then, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the best thing I could do, rather than sort of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about how they started Amazon Web Services, or

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about how they expanded in the television, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the best way I could actually close us

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<v Speaker 1>out today is to hone in on the first stirrings

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<v Speaker 1>of two problems that are kind of the main things

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon gets criticized for today. Number one would be it's relentless,

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<v Speaker 1>obsessive and unhealthy work culture, and number two would be

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<v Speaker 1>the callous disregard for human warehouse workers in its distribution

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<v Speaker 1>centers or fulfillment centers, as they call it. The first

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<v Speaker 1>major publication to report on Amazon's corporate culture in a

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<v Speaker 1>really critical way with The New York Times in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand fifteen. Here's how it opened. They are told to

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<v Speaker 1>forget the poor habits they learned at previous jobs. One

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<v Speaker 1>employee recalled when they hit the wall from unrelenting pace.

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<v Speaker 1>There is only one solution. Climbed the wall. Others reported

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<v Speaker 1>to be the best Amazon ians they can be. They

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<v Speaker 1>should be guided by the leadership Principles fourteen rules inscribed

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<v Speaker 1>on handy laminated cards when quizzed days later those with

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<v Speaker 1>perfect scores or in a virtual award proclaiming I'm peculiar,

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<v Speaker 1>the company's proud phrase for overturning workplace conventions and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that really separates Amazon from the other

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<v Speaker 1>big dot com startups like Google. They don't go to

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<v Speaker 1>any real efforts to make it comfortable or to like

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<v Speaker 1>give perks to employees, like you get money and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>get stock and you can get rich working at Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>But like there is like there's no like massage rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no like game rooms for chilling out in like

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<v Speaker 1>Google gets famous for. Like Amazon, Like, yeah, you are

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<v Speaker 1>going to work like yourself to the bone at Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the promise we make you um and the times

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<v Speaker 1>sites employees like bo Olsen, a bookmarketer who said his

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<v Speaker 1>main memory of Amazon was seeing people weep at their desks.

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<v Speaker 1>You walk out of a conference room and you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>a grown man covering his face. Nearly every person I

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<v Speaker 1>worked with I saw cry at their desk. Much of

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<v Speaker 1>the heart nous and irrational workaholism was justified by the

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<v Speaker 1>near sanctified fourteen rules Bezos had for his employees. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>According to early executives and employees, Mr Bezos was determined

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<v Speaker 1>almost from the moment he founded Amazon in nineteen four

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<v Speaker 1>to resist the forces he thought sapped businesses over time, bureaucracy,

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<v Speaker 1>profligate spending, lack of rigor. As the company grew, he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to codify his ideas about the workplace, some of

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<v Speaker 1>them proudly counterintuitive, onto instructions simple enough for a new

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<v Speaker 1>worker to understand, general enough to apply to the nearly

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<v Speaker 1>limitless number of businesses he wanted to enter, and stringent

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<v Speaker 1>enough to stave off the mediocrity he feared. The result

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<v Speaker 1>was the Leadership Principles, the articles of faith that described

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<v Speaker 1>the way Amazonian should act. In contrast to companies where

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<v Speaker 1>declarations about their philosophy amount to vague platitudes, Amazon has

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<v Speaker 1>rules that are part of its daily language and rituals

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<v Speaker 1>used in hiring, cited at meetings, and quoted in food

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<v Speaker 1>truck lines at lunchtime. Some Amazonians say they teach them

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<v Speaker 1>to their children. The guidelines conjure and Empire of elite

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<v Speaker 1>workers principle number five higher and develop the best who

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<v Speaker 1>hold one another to towering expectations and are liberated from

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<v Speaker 1>the forces red tape office politics that keep them from

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<v Speaker 1>developing their Utmost employees are to exhibit ownership number two

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<v Speaker 1>or mastery of every emblement of their businesses and to

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<v Speaker 1>dive deep number twelve or find the underlying ideas that

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<v Speaker 1>can fix problems or identify new services before shoppers even

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<v Speaker 1>ask for them. And the indoctrination that that goes on

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 1>in Amazon that like to get people kind of roped

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.560
<v Speaker 1>into this idea. The overwork that comes with it is

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:38.480
<v Speaker 1>also consuming. That employees take to calling themselves ammabots with

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 1>a myth mix of like pride and resignation, like there's

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<v Speaker 1>an element of pride that were like robots for Jeff's

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<v Speaker 1>big vision. Being the ultimate data guy, Jeff takes full

0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.679
<v Speaker 1>advantage of the fact that Amazon's online nature gives him

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<v Speaker 1>like a wider variety of metrics than any other boss

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.040
<v Speaker 1>has ever had to analyze and judge how the human

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<v Speaker 1>beings in his company are working. Employee evaluations are often

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<v Speaker 1>fifth to sixty pages long, filled with numbers like on

0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:06.159
<v Speaker 1>people's performance that employees are expected to memorize, and then

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 1>they'll get cold called by their managers. And if they

0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:11.159
<v Speaker 1>haven't memorized all the different numbers about their metrics and

0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.440
<v Speaker 1>aren't able to like explain or justify them, they get

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble quote from The Times. Explanations like we're not

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:21.080
<v Speaker 1>totally sure or all get back to you are not acceptable,

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>many employees said. Some managers sometimes dismissed such responses as

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<v Speaker 1>stupid or told the workers to just stop it. And

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<v Speaker 1>in this Amazon is very much taking after its founder.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna quote here from the Everything sort of

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how Jeff actually refers to like speaks directly

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.840
<v Speaker 1>to the people who work for him. Bezos was prone

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<v Speaker 1>to melodramatic temper tantrums that some Amazon employees called privately nutters.

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<v Speaker 1>A colleague failing to meet Bezos's exacting standards would predictably

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<v Speaker 1>set off a nutter if an employee did not have

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<v Speaker 1>the right answers, or tried to bluff the right answer,

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<v Speaker 1>or took credit for someone else's work, or exhibited a

0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 1>whiff of internal politics, or showed any kind of uncertainty

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 1>or frailty in the heat of battle. The vessel in Basos,

0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>his forehead popped out and his filter fell away. He

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.359
<v Speaker 1>was capable of both hyperbole and cruelty in these moments,

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and over the years he delivered some devastating rebukes to employees.

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<v Speaker 1>Among his greatest hits collected and relaid by Amazon veterans,

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.879
<v Speaker 1>are I'm sorry? Did I take my stupid pills today?

0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:18.919
<v Speaker 1>Are you trying to take credit for something you had

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with? Are you lazy or just incompetent?

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:24.679
<v Speaker 1>I trust you to one run world class operations, and

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>this is another example of how you are letting me down.

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:29.359
<v Speaker 1>If I hear that idea again, I'm going to have

0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.920
<v Speaker 1>to kill myself. Does it surprise you that I don't

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 1>know that that you don't know the answer to that question?

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 1>And why are you ruining my life? Uh? Some of

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>them are pretty funny. I mean it's pretty bad, but

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say that, like you know, And you can

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<v Speaker 1>see with that both how someone could be like really

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up by that, especially if like you devote your

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 1>whole life to this company and in your boss just

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 1>basically said you're ruining. But you can also see how

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:58.000
<v Speaker 1>people would find that like intoxicating and would draw into

0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:00.159
<v Speaker 1>a guy like that. And would be desperate to like

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<v Speaker 1>please him and get positive Like when it's paired with

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 1>all that rules, yeah, it's very cold, like yeah, exactly.

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 1>So you can see both white people would find it

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<v Speaker 1>off putting, but also why that would inspire people to

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<v Speaker 1>work even harder, you know. Um. In two thousand thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon hired Elizabeth Willett, a former Army captain who had

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>served in Iraq. After some time, she had a child,

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and she arranged with her boss to come to work

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<v Speaker 1>earlier and leave earlier so that she could pick up

0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 1>her baby and then she would get on her laptop

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:31.399
<v Speaker 1>and work from home. Her boss told her this was fine,

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.159
<v Speaker 1>but her colleagues thought she was skipping work because she

0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>was leaving early and they didn't know she was coming

0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>in early, and they informed on her to the boss

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that she'd gotten approval from to do this. That boss

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 1>then attacked her, saying, I can't stand here and defend

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>you if your peers are saying you're not doing your work.

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:50.440
<v Speaker 1>And this is kind of emblematic of a dark trended Amazon,

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 1>which is that a lot of these these fourteen principles

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.359
<v Speaker 1>and the system of coworker evaluations often based on the

0:26:56.400 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>principles wind up being used uncommonly, often to attack specific

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.639
<v Speaker 1>groups of employees. And one of the things that like

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>women who work there will note is that one of

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 1>these fourteen principles is you have to be honest. And

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>one of the pieces of criticism that like female employees

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>get from their coworkers at Amazon is that they're all dishonest.

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Like that's that's a common it's a part of why

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 1>there's very few women in high management. And one of

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.679
<v Speaker 1>the claims they'll make is that like, well, these principles

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 1>are used as a justification to attack us and just

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 1>say that like, well, you're not following the principles, when

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 1>in reality, it's just like people kind of being shitty

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.719
<v Speaker 1>towards women in the way that they often are. Um,

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>it's an allegation, very very whole, like that ship, you

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, that's actually and it's like mind games,

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>that's like abusive type ship, Like right, he gave her

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.959
<v Speaker 1>the permission and then he's having to go for something

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>that you know, essentially he should have told the colleagues

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>it's none of your business, like stop informing, Like but no,

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like now that person is in trouble that's fucking weird.

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 1>That's not right well, and it's again because Jeff isn't

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 1>directly involved in that story, but the system he's builts.

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 1>And part of why that, part of why that boss

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:02.200
<v Speaker 1>is doing that is that that boss is going to

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>get evaluated by all of their employees. And so the boss,

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>even though he gave her permission to do this, even

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 1>though she's been doing a great job, he can't defend

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:15.080
<v Speaker 1>her because then his subordinates will criticize him, and so

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.479
<v Speaker 1>he throws her under the bus to protect his own career.

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 1>And that's the that is how the system Jeff built works, right,

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.199
<v Speaker 1>That's it working as intended um, which is kind of

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 1>sucked up, I would argue, uh, and it gets sucked

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:29.679
<v Speaker 1>up at her because again, that story is one of

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the less unsettling ones from the Times. A woman who

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 1>had thyroid cancer was given a low performance rating after

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.720
<v Speaker 1>she returned from treatment. She says her manager explained that

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>while she was out, her peers were accomplishing a great deal.

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Another employee who miscarried twins left for a business trip

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>the day after she had surgery. I'm sorry, the work

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>is still going to need to get done, she said,

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 1>her boss told her, from where you are in life,

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:54.959
<v Speaker 1>trying to start a family, I don't know if this

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 1>is the right place for you. A woman who had

0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>breast cancer was told that she was being put on

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>a performance improvement plan, Amazon code for you're in danger

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 1>of being fired because difficulties in her personal life had

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 1>interfered with her fulfilling her work goals. Their accounts echoed

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>others from workers who had suffered health crises and felt

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>they had also been judged harshly instead of being given

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>time to recover. And that's not unique at Amazon. It's

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 1>just again, it's part of this system that that that

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that Jeff has built. Now, when this report, this New

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>York Times article drops, Amazon makes statements about like we're

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>going to investigate a lot of these claims, like this

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>is not us, Jeff Bezo, since that a letter saying

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>like what's described in this New York Times article isn't

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 1>the Amazon that I know or that our employees know. Um, yeah,

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>it's the standard kind of pr flak response to this ship.

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>There are some changes made to the employee self review process,

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.959
<v Speaker 1>but fundamentally nothing changes about the way the company treats

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 1>its own people, because again, to Jeff, the human beings

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>that work for Amazon are both like robots that are

0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>there to execute his ideas, but they're also there to

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>be targets for his anger when things go wrong. And

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>a good example of this comes from the first Prime Day,

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 1>which is Amazon's big sales day, and the very first

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Prime Day occurs in two thousand fifteen. Um, Amazon programmers

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>and other staff work twenty four hour days in order

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 1>to prepare the site to host its first massive sales event,

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:17.960
<v Speaker 1>which went on to be the biggest sales day in

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>company history. So this is a huge success by any

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of financial metric. Right, they announced this thing, they

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 1>roll out this big day of sales, and it's it's

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 1>the best they've ever done, right, Um, But the rollout

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.719
<v Speaker 1>of the software that organized the deals was imperfect. So,

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>like they're kind of algorithmically picking which stuff to put

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 1>on sale. Um, some of the products that they're relying

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>on to be big sellers sell out and so people

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 1>can't get them other like weird products, Like there's like

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>discounts on pop tarts and ship and people are like,

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't get these electronics that obviously I want, but

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to get me to buy these discounted pop

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>it's not it doesn't hurt again, it's the best sales

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>that the company has ever had. It doesn't hurt them financially.

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>But there's a bunch of people on like Twitter making

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 1>fun of Amazon because of some like technical glitches, and this,

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 1>to Jeff Bezos completely wipes out the fact that they've

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>made the most money they've ever made. People are making

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>fun of Amazon, and so he's furious at the people

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>who have just executed his dream to do Prime Day. Right. Um,

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I think a reasonable person would be like, yes, of course,

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 1>some weird ship went wrong around the edges. We made

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the most money ever. This is worth celebrating, Jeff. Yeah,

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 1>dollars going to buy. Yeah. But Jeff gets really fucking angry,

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna quote here from the book Amazon Unbound.

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Behind the scenes, Jeff lost his mind over the negative

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.959
<v Speaker 1>online reactions, said Craig Berman, a senior PR vice president

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 1>who was at his son's swim meet in Oregon when

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 1>all hell broke loose. He was screaming at me and

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>my team that we needed to be clear that these

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>aren't shitty deals. He was being maniacal, saying get this fixed.

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 1>You've got to show this as a success, and yeah,

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it's it's the kind of like poisoned

0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>internet brain a lot of big wealthy people have where

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I mean, by any measure of the word success,

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 1>this is a success. But people are angry at you

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter. So you're like, you're broken about it. I

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I you know, I really kind of get my head

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 1>around that. I mean, you know, I'm one for Twitter

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and that it's fine, Like it's decent. But if you

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>had all the money in the world, it's why, like,

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.719
<v Speaker 1>oh are you with this person on Twitter? You can

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>go and do anything. I'd be on a quad bike,

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 1>like just doing something, you know what I mean, Like, oh,

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:27.719
<v Speaker 1>someone's about on Twitter by Like it's just I it's

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>You're right, it's like a poison you know. I mean,

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 1>but I think it comes comes with ego, you know,

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>when everything you built. Yep. I think so it's because

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>this company is like fundamentally extremely personal to him. Yeah, exactly,

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>it is the core of his identity. Yep. Cool shit. Uh.

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>There's probably no better example of how uncaring and actively

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 1>harmful Jeff can be towards his employees than the story

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>of Amazon's fulfillment centers. We've all seen articles that dropped

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>early this year about people pissing in bottles to make

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the inhuman metrics for cargo moved or packages delivered. Um,

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>you have a show, you know, Mega corp is largely

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 1>about this. This is a big part of Mega Corps

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>is like Amazon fulfillment center workers and how they're treated. Um.

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 1>And so at the end of this episode, I'd like

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 1>to talk about how that system started, right like the

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>very early days of what led to this people pissing

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 1>in bottles and like passing out and stuff on the

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>work floor and RV city setting up outside of fcs

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>in order to keep them like all that ship. So

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the man who largely built Amazon's fulfillment center system was

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Dave Clark. He was a former middle school band teacher

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>who got hired in nineteen nine when the company had

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>only seven warehouses in the US. By two thousand twelve,

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 1>when he becomes head of Global Operations, Amazon has forty

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>warehouses in the US and twenty four other warehouses worldwide,

0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>but these were located mostly in the middle of nowhere.

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>So at this point twelve, Amazon has a bunch of

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 1>warehouses like sixty seventy in the world. But they're all

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>in like really inconvenient places. And the reason why they're

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>inconvenient places is those are general lead the places with

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the chiefest labor and also the most advantageous for tax purposes.

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>So we'll set up like the warehouses will be in

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>some bum funk town in the middle of nowhere because

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that town gives them a tax break and because it's

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 1>cheap to higher workers around there, right, And that makes

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 1>sense for a company that isn't trying to do what

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Amazon starts trying to do. Right. That can work great

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 1>if you're just trying to sell products online minimize your costs.

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 1>But if you're obsessed with the idea that like there

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 1>should be two day or one day shipping, you can't

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>do that. You have to have a fat you have

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 1>to have a fulfillment center in every major city if

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:33.279
<v Speaker 1>you're going to do that kind of business. Right. Um, So,

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Dave Clark is the guy who kind of oversees the

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 1>pivot from we have our warehouse systems set up in

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 1>order to maximize the amount of stuff that we can

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:44.719
<v Speaker 1>hold and ship out and minimize the costs too. We

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.479
<v Speaker 1>don't care about minimizing the costs anymore. We care about

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>getting as many fulfillment centers started as possible so that

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>we can get products to people in a day or two. Right. Um,

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 1>And that's again it's become such of like Amazon's two

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 1>day shipping has become such a part of just like

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>life now that it it's it's not until like right

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>around when the Trump years start that like they actually

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>get this really off the ground. You know, it's fairly

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:08.919
<v Speaker 1>recent that this has been an aspect of modern life

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 1>that you could expect two days shipping on your Amazon products. Um,

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.239
<v Speaker 1>it's it's just kind of taken over everything because it's

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 1>it's offers such close to day. Yeah, I've had ship

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.720
<v Speaker 1>arrived like same day that I didn't even like try

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:34.919
<v Speaker 1>to order same day. Yeah yeah, yeah, same, It just happened. Yeah. Now,

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:38.320
<v Speaker 1>over the next five years, Amazon adds a hundred fulfillment

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 1>centers worldwide, and this is where most of their gargantuan

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.879
<v Speaker 1>like huge warehouses and like that are in every city

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.439
<v Speaker 1>kind of or at least on the outskirts of every city.

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.280
<v Speaker 1>This is where all that comes from. So Dave Clark's

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:53.320
<v Speaker 1>the guy who's like expanding massively the fulfillment center system

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>so that they can do this now. At the same time,

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Amazon they realized they can't rely on like ups or

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 1>usp us, so they get their own like fleet of planes. Um.

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 1>But they don't. So one of the things Amazon does

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 1>with its warehouses and with everything is they never want

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 1>to interface with unions in any way, shape or form. Ever.

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 1>They never want to, like, in any way deal with them.

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 1>This is a problem with getting your own planes because

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 1>pilots are unionized, right. Um. So Amazon basically leases planes

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>from a company that actually runs everything and hires the

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.360
<v Speaker 1>pilots so that they don't have to deal directly with

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>unionized pilots. Um. And they structure their distribution network very

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>carefully to avoid any unionized warehouse workers. This also allows

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.320
<v Speaker 1>them to avoid scrutiny over the hours worked or miles

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:40.760
<v Speaker 1>driven by people in distribution. When this starts killing people

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.799
<v Speaker 1>because drivers are involved in crashes, they run people down

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 1>on the side of people like are dying in the warehouses. Um.

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 1>You can find a bunch of stories about this, and

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:50.839
<v Speaker 1>when those stories start to come out that there's like

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:56.240
<v Speaker 1>drivers crashing and killing people trying to make Amazon's like metrics,

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>there's backlash um, you know, both from the media, from

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 1>public outcry, and from some people inside of Amazon itself.

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 1>One of these people is Mark Onetto. Mark was head

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 1>of operations in the mid Auts, and he introduced a

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 1>number of innovations to try and make fulfillment centers run

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 1>more smoothly. He was also very concerned with the treatment

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 1>of employees in these fulfillment centers, and he tried to

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>force empathy for employees onto Jeffrey Bezos quote from Amazon

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 1>on Bound. In two thousand nine, Onetto's human resources deputy

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>David knee Kirk wrote a paper titled Respect for People

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 1>and presented it at an S team meeting. The S

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 1>team is like Jeff and his his like trusted advisors,

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 1>right like it's the top of the Amazon Empire. The paper, yeah,

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:43.280
<v Speaker 1>the steam. The paper drew from Toyota's proven lean ideology

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>and argued for treating people fairly, building mutual trust between

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>managers and associates, and empowering leaders to inspire employees rather

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 1>than act as disciplinarians. Bezos hated it. He not only

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 1>railed against it in the meeting, but he called knee

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Kirk the following morning to continue the brow beating. Amazon

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>should never imply that it didn't have respect for people

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>embedded in the very fabric of how it operated, he said.

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Bezos also solemnly declared that one of the biggest threats

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 1>of the company was a disgruntled and entrenched hourly workforce,

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.240
<v Speaker 1>like the unionized workers that impaired US automakers with strikes

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 1>and onerous contract negotiations. Amazon later denied that Bezos said this.

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>He encouraged nie Kirk and Noetto to focus on ensuring

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 1>that FC workers who weren't advancing with an with an

0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Amazon stayed for a maximum of three years. He like

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 1>cancels bonuses makes it impossible for well to get raises

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:33.839
<v Speaker 1>past a certain point, like, rather than we shouldn't be

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>enabling the self respect of our fulfillment center workers, we

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 1>should make sure there's as much turnover as possible so

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.760
<v Speaker 1>that nobody's there very longs that no kind of culture conform,

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:46.319
<v Speaker 1>so that people don't get to identify themselves as part

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 1>of a community of labors and unionized. So Onetto is

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>pushing against this, Bezos pushes back, and Nonetto's end at

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the company comes in two thousand eleven, when a local

0:38:56.520 --> 0:39:00.040
<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania paper reports that an Amazon warehouse near al In

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Town had gotten so hot during the summer that workers

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:05.800
<v Speaker 1>had passed out and been taken to hospitals. And Amazon

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 1>had been so aware of the danger that they had

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.359
<v Speaker 1>ambulances just waiting outside for when people passed out. Right

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>like that, This was like there were yeah, of course

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 1>X number of employees are going to pass out in

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 1>our unair conditioned warehouses in the dead of summer, and

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:21.720
<v Speaker 1>we'll just keep ambulances on site. There was in my research.

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.240
<v Speaker 1>I actually spoke to someone that spoke to the workers

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>there and they were saying, uh, in the offices when

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>people went into complain, they had the air con on

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 1>full blast in the office, but in the who house

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 1>they had nothing like yep, so grim. And here's the thing.

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Ohnetto had seen this coming, and in fact, months earlier

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:44.280
<v Speaker 1>he'd presented a white paper to Bezos another top brass

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.280
<v Speaker 1>about rooftop air conditioners and FC facilities and said they

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.319
<v Speaker 1>were they would cost like fifty two million dollars, but

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:50.799
<v Speaker 1>he was like, we need to do this. It's going

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 1>to be necessary both for maintaining productivity and taking care

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of our people. Bezos himself shut down the request to

0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 1>put in air conditioners now. When the story goes viral

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:03.799
<v Speaker 1>that workers are passing out, he immediately approves air conditioners

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 1>for the FCS, Like right, it's this kind of thing

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.440
<v Speaker 1>where he's like, no, we're not going to spend that money. Oh,

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:10.800
<v Speaker 1>now people are yelling at us. Now it's bad PR.

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.360
<v Speaker 1>We'll do it now. And then after he's forced to

0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:17.359
<v Speaker 1>like put in air conditioners, he attacks Onetto for not

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>stopping the disaster. The guy who had been like, we

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>have to do this and Jeff had said no. Jeff

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:24.120
<v Speaker 1>goes after him and blames him for the fact that

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:27.240
<v Speaker 1>there's bad PR and I'm gonna quote from Amazon unbound

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 1>and like how he does this? Fuming a Netto prepared

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 1>to remind Bezos of his original proposal. Colleagues begged him

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:36.399
<v Speaker 1>to let it go, but he couldn't, as they anticipated.

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>The meeting did not go well. Bezos said that as

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, he did remember the paper and

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 1>that it was so poorly written an ambiguous that no

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>one had understood what course of a of action Onetto

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 1>was recommending. As other s team members cringed, Bezos declared

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:51.839
<v Speaker 1>that the entire incident was evidence of what happens when

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Amazon puts people in top jobs who can't articulate their

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 1>ideas clearly and support them with data. And I think

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 1>it's because the actual data, like Jeff was willing to accept,

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 1>oh we'll lose ex productivity in order to save this

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.760
<v Speaker 1>amount of money by not air conditioning our factory or fcs,

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>it's worth it netto was saying like, it's bad to

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>do this to people. And the thing that Jeff's data

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't account for is that like, well, it may not

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 1>have cost you money, but it did cost you bad

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 1>pr when it came out that you were doing this

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:23.880
<v Speaker 1>to your workers and that hurt your bottom line. But

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 1>no data that Otto could have presented would ever have

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 1>made that case right. There was no like white paper

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 1>saying this is how much money will lose. When The

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 1>New York Times writes a story about this, you know,

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:36.480
<v Speaker 1>um yeah, yeah, I still don't think he's fully grossed that.

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, he's made more money than he's

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 1>ever made throughout the COVID and the union workers, you know,

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 1>doing the most efforts right now to unionize, and he's

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>still just spending millions and millions trying to stop them.

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:51.719
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, rather than just being like, yeah,

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.960
<v Speaker 1>you know what, we made loads and loads of money. Okay,

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:57.279
<v Speaker 1>let's let's put it back in, let's actually fix this,

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.759
<v Speaker 1>and it's just no, he's just just not having it. Yeah.

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:02.720
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like you could you split one percent

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:05.759
<v Speaker 1>of Amazon profits among FC workers and suddenly you've got

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 1>aware a work force that's like a lot more mode.

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:11.359
<v Speaker 1>You would have much more career people, you'd have less

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 1>turn up. But whatever, I know, I'm not a businessman. Uh.

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 1>It would also be at least less unethical. So the

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:20.239
<v Speaker 1>guy who Atto leaves after this, like he quits I

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 1>think the very next year. Um, and the guy who

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:25.080
<v Speaker 1>takes over from anetto spearheads a bid to acquire a

0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 1>company called Kiva. Kiva is a robotics startup. They make

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 1>machines that can transport merchandise containers around warehouses and streamline

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the whole process. Before Kiva, Amazon pickers had walked upwards

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:39.080
<v Speaker 1>of twelve miles a day to grab products and take

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 1>them to shipping. Kiva bots are able to kind of

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.320
<v Speaker 1>like move all of the shipping containers and these warehouses

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 1>around in order to make things more efficient, so that

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:50.439
<v Speaker 1>workers have to walk less and can pack more per

0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 1>like our um. And these robots really start to hit

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 1>their stride and warehouses around two fourteen. They increase the

0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 1>amount of products per square foot and an Amazon FC

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 1>by five deeper scent because it's just so much more efficient.

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:06.360
<v Speaker 1>But they come with downsides to primarily for the human workers. Quote.

0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 1>The robots also transformed labor that was physically exhausting characterized

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.800
<v Speaker 1>by endless walking into work that was instead mentally straining,

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.880
<v Speaker 1>with employees standing in placement not and listeningly repeating the

0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 1>same movements over and over. Report in the Center for

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Investigative Reportings Reveal magazine cited an Ocean letter to Amazon

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:27.240
<v Speaker 1>that said the robots exposed employees to ergonomic risk factors,

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 1>including stress from repeated movements and standing up for ten

0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>hours a day. Just as the tyrannical invisible force of

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 1>software guided the robot swarms, it also monitored worker performance,

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>flagging any quantifiable decrease in productivity and subjecting employees to

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:46.799
<v Speaker 1>performance improvement plans and possible termination. And that at this

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.960
<v Speaker 1>point where where we are when megacorps starts, Jake, this

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.359
<v Speaker 1>is kind of what feeds into all that Like this

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>is how this is. You know, it all makes sense, right,

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 1>None of it is a Yeah, the diet thing is

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 1>just like the obsession with data above just humanity basically

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 1>is kind of you know the stage that the you

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:09.440
<v Speaker 1>know that all of this is kind of dancing on

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, And it's just it's it's

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's it's almost like unintentional horrors is just

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, like just just not even caring, you know

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, It's like whatever, whatever. The data doesn't

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 1>show that. It's just like me, these are human beings

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:26.839
<v Speaker 1>with families and lives. It got you know what I mean,

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:30.240
<v Speaker 1>got to eat, but the data doesn't it doesn't show

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:33.719
<v Speaker 1>that that level of kind of context. Um, it's just

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of sad, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:42.880
<v Speaker 1>it is kind of sad. But that's the that's the

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:47.959
<v Speaker 1>that's the podcast, that's the episode. Yeah, where you're going

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:53.240
<v Speaker 1>over it all. It's very jolly. Yeah, it's fun everybody.

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:57.280
<v Speaker 1>So you know, consider this part one and consider listening

0:44:57.280 --> 0:44:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to Megacorps to get the full story. Now you know

0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:03.760
<v Speaker 1>who f Bezos is, it's time to learn in detail

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 1>every funked up thing his company has done. Um, Yeah, definitely.

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I would say it's not exactly a

0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:13.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of people have been like, oh it's it's not

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>exactly the most uplifting podcast. It's like, well, no, what

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 1>did you think was going to happen? This is about scandals.

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, one of the arguably the biggest kind of

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.799
<v Speaker 1>company on earth in a way. So yeah, no it's not.

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:28.399
<v Speaker 1>But like I said in the kind of in the

0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>in the intro to the thing, Um, you know, if

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>you if you have ever bought anything from Amazon, I

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.359
<v Speaker 1>think you should at least have to be aware of

0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:39.359
<v Speaker 1>the way they operate. And it's not just about the work,

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 1>because we're going to be going into like the surveillance,

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>the deals they did with them I six and the

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<v Speaker 1>c I A. Like, there's so many layers to it. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, check out Megacorp, Jake, do you have

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<v Speaker 1>anything else you want to plug? Um? Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if anyone wants to just check out my work, just

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<v Speaker 1>goes to Jake Hanrahan dot com. Um and you just

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<v Speaker 1>see all my links or whatever. Yeah, alright, check out

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<v Speaker 1>Jake Hanrahand, check out Popular Front, check out Megacorp, and

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<v Speaker 1>check out of the Internet now and go do something offline.

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<v Speaker 1>You've you've spent enough time online today. Yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>bam