1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle on Giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: dot Com. There we go on the Giants of the 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: Giants podcast network. Welcome to the newest edition of the 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Giants Subtle Podcast. John Smoke with you today's guest Bruce Felban, 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: college football reporter for both Fox Sports and The Athletic. 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: But first to remind everybody, you can find the Johnt 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Subtle Podcast on our Giants podcast Now we're presented by 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: Investors Bank on the Giants Mobile app, on Giants dot com, 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Slash podcast and your favorite podcast platforms. Now we're joined 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: by our guest, he is Bruce Felman. Bruce, thank you 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: so much for making the time. I hope our quote 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: unquote off season for football is treating you well. Thanks 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: for having me, John. It's been different, just like the 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: rest of was, but it feels like we're going in 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: a positive direction. So um, you know, I'm excited to 16 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: see where this leads us with on the football side 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: of things. Absolutely know that about it. I'm with you. 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: Let's start here and every year you post your freaks list, 19 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: which I think is fantastic. Uh, anybody doesn't look at it, 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: should look at We're not gonna go through the whole. 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: But before I even requested this, you a couple of 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: days later came out with your big story in the 23 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: Athletic on some of the new technology in tracking times 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: and athleticism, and I think this all kind of works 25 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: together a little bit. So let's start the freaks list first. 26 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: And the guy that jumps out to me is Jamar Chase. 27 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Right when he went to l s U. He did 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: not run a really big forty time in high school, 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: but that changed pretty quick. So why is Jamaar Chase 30 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: one of the top guys on your freaks list? A 31 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: couple of things, so you're right measurables wise, he's six 32 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: ft maybe two oh five. He's very strong, especially for 33 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: a college receiver. The thing and I spent um a 34 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: lot of time around the title team that they had there. 35 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, I worked on a book with at 36 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: Osor on Uh, the l s U head coach. I 37 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: was behind the scenes, and I was in a lot 38 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: of the practices and and UH in a lot of 39 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: the meetings. And he was a guy that that staff 40 00:01:54,840 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: raves about, ultra competitive guy, um really really physically strong, 41 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: but just a relentless worker and so he has gotten 42 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: faster and faster, Uh they think he will. He would 43 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: run in the low four fours and just really can 44 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: separate from from from DBS went up against the most 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: talented cornerback in college football the last couple of years 46 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: is Derek Stingley Jr. He would go up against him 47 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: every day and practice and that iron sharpens iron. He 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: really benefited and I think anybody who saw what he did, 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: including when they played Clemson and it was really the 50 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: only time they were in a much of a hole 51 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: in he dominated an NFL cornerback. So I think that, um, 52 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: you know, to me, from everything I've seen, from everything 53 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: I've heard, he is the clear best receiver, even though 54 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: you've got a Heisman winner in there in Devonte Smith. 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: He's just so physical. He can play inside, he can 56 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: play outside, and again just really really competitive when the 57 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: ball is in the year as well, and he improved 58 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: as a route runner too. And then Nunner that is 59 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: referring to a j Terrell who got drafted very high 60 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: last year. Bruce talked about his play strength a little 61 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 1: bit because that's what struck me when I watched him. 62 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: You know, you watch him run routes and you see it, 63 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: but it's not like you're watching Jalen Wating, like, oh 64 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: my goodness, this is the most elusive guy I've ever seen. 65 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: But he's open if he has like two inches of separation, 66 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: and just talk about how he uses his strength and 67 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: his power to be a good wide receiver is usually 68 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: those two things don't go together. Yeah, I think a 69 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: lot of it is like he's a guy who's got 70 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: the physical strength, especially in the lower body where they 71 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: he could have been a running back in their eyes 72 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: in some ways. And I think when you see his 73 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: ability to come out of come out of his cuts, 74 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: just really this is a guy. When you mentioned the 75 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: story I had done on the Athletic about um performance 76 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: science and some of the metrics and different testing things 77 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: where he would really shine in terms of his ability 78 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: to create space from dvs who are who are you know, 79 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: right up on him and then he can just burst 80 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: and get away from them. I think that's the thing 81 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: that he has continued to get better and better at. 82 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: And you saw a huge jump from him from two 83 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen as a freshman to two thousand nineteen, and 84 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: the scary thing in two thousand and nineteen, he did 85 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: all that as a true softmore by the way, like 86 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: nineteen years old, which is which is really startling. His 87 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 1: competition for that top wide receiver spot this year, Bruce 88 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: is Jill and Waddle and Davante Smith. They were not 89 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: on your freaks list, but I got to imagine if 90 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: Jill and Waddle runs that forty, that's gonna be a 91 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: pretty impressive time, right Yeah. And I think the things 92 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: that would really jump out with Jail and Waddle will 93 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: be the change of direction. Because of these three guys 94 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: were talking about, he's the most dynamic as a return guy, 95 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: but he's also a couple inches shorter than Jamaar Chase 96 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: and probably twenty pounds lighter. So I think it's it's 97 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: a it's a little different what you're talking about, but 98 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: he is a guy who really is a lethal return guy. 99 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: And you know, I think if he was not injured 100 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: in the second half of the season, DeVante probably doesn't 101 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: win the hisman because I think, you know, all of 102 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: a sudden, then he's gonna get a lot of a 103 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: lot of the lot of the throws that Davante ended 104 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: up getting. But I mean, they really it's really interesting 105 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: because Davante is such a smooth route runner and so 106 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: much faster than his forty time was. Um. But he's 107 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: also you wonder about the durability factor, not because he's 108 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: had issues before, because he's played through it. But at 109 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: the same time, now you're talking about long season, playing 110 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: with grown men, and it's it's gonna be a challenge, 111 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: and I think a hundred eighty pounds issue. He came 112 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: in at like one sixty. I mean, that's that's that's 113 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: different now we're talking about and I I don't know. 114 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: I still could see him going, you know, in the 115 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: top fifteen because I think his film is terrific. But again, um, 116 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: just in terms of physical strength, I think that is 117 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: gonna that is going to be and the durability long term, 118 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: I think those are things that will be interesting to 119 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: see how the NFL UM views him. If there was 120 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: a combine this year and Kyle Pitch showed up, what 121 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: would it really stand out in terms of his performance 122 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: being six six two pounds but basically playing with the 123 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: skills of a wide receiver right and and from talking 124 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: to coaches in the SEC the thing that really wowed 125 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: them was he is a really good route runner to 126 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: the point where they think he's basically like a big receiver. Now, 127 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna give you those things 128 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: in line wise that you know, the NFL would want 129 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: from a traditional tight end. He's different than that. But 130 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: I think he's a guy who's capable of running in 131 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: the four fives and he plays very fast. And I 132 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: think Dan Mullen, the offensive coordinator, the head coach and 133 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at at Florida, and he's a play caller there, 134 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: he's really good at coming up with certain things. And 135 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: I think that in that regard, he really he really 136 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: shined for them. Um teams knew about him and they 137 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: still couldn't really slow him down. And I thought that, Um, 138 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: he's a unique weapon. It's not to say we haven't 139 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: seen really good tight ends in the NFL, certainly, but 140 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the guys who end 141 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: up flourishing in the NF fell kind of grow into it. 142 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: Um they're athletes who kind of, um maybe didn't have 143 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: like amazing college careers at the big level. Um, you know, 144 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: in Power five football, this is a guy who had 145 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: an amazing career. And so we'll see if it will 146 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: see if it how it translates the edge rusher position 147 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: is interesting and you add some of these guys, three 148 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: of them on your freaks list, I think in the 149 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: top fifteen if I'm not mistaken. Quitti Pay, Carlos Basham, 150 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: and Jason Alway out of Penn State always had no 151 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: sacks this year. But you watched him on tape, he's everywhere. 152 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: You know. The other guy like Quiddy Pay, didn't play 153 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: that many games, only had a couple of sacks. But 154 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: how do you think the league would have reacted when 155 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: these guys showed up to the combine? As you play 156 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: are what if? What if game here? And they did 157 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: some of these events? Would they have just broken some 158 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: of the meters and scored off the charts? I think so. 159 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: I mean Quity Pay is the guy who had crazy 160 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: fast three cone and it just remarkable ability of change 161 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: the direction at two seventy two pounds. As you said, 162 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: I think he played four games this season for Michigan, 163 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: and you know, some of it was because their issues 164 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: with COVID, some of it was was injury related. Uh, 165 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: he had one really good game this season, I think 166 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: it was against Minnesota right out of the gate, and 167 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: then other ways, um wasn't as productive, but I think 168 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: measurables wise, I think teams are gonna look at him 169 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: and say, man, this guy has a chance because he 170 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: was I think he was basically a running back and 171 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: a track star in Rhode Island out of high school. 172 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: Credit to Michigan to finding him and developing him, and 173 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: I still think there's still a lot of work there. 174 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: On the same side, Jason Oway is the fastest defensive 175 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: lineman who will be in there. I mean, Penn State 176 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: had Hi running in the four threes. Uh in the 177 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: forty just say crazy, uh, crazy athlete. Now he's still 178 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: a little raw. What's interesting is, as I look at 179 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: your mic flag is nobody knows Jason Away better than 180 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: the D line coach for the New York Giants, Shall Specter. 181 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: So I think not to say that this is gonna 182 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: be a slam dunk. If you're the Giants're gonna jump 183 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: up and and take him. But there was a lot 184 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: of really um gifted defensive ends that that Sean had 185 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: there that I just don't know of any of them 186 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: up to this degree. You know, Shaka Tony is a 187 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: really good football player. They have a couple other young 188 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: guys who are coming up. But oh a is just 189 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: jaw dropping lee fast for a six five sixty pound 190 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: defensive end. And then Boogie Basham from wake Fourth. To me, 191 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: he was the most accomplished of all these guys on 192 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: the field. He saw him at the Senior Bowl. He's 193 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: also a different size guy. I mean, he's two hundred 194 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: eighty pounds um, just a a ridiculously developed athlete. And 195 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: I think it's like, what does the NFL want to 196 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: see him play? Because at that size, I'm not saying 197 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: he's a tweeter, but you know, Jason Oway is not. 198 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna be a four three defensive end 199 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: at that size, whereas Boogie Basham, I mean, does he 200 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: get to be three hundred pounds? I mean where where 201 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: do you where? Where does the NFL see him in 202 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: a couple of years, because I think there was a 203 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: lot to be really intrigued by when they saw him 204 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: in Mobile and he's got some good film and he's 205 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: on a he was on a defense at Wake Forest 206 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: where he was the guy right and so it's like, 207 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, whereas some of these other guys, even Quitty 208 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: pay the Aidan Hutchinson the other defense, the other guy 209 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: opposite him was a really, really good football player, So 210 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: it's not like you could be totally game planned around 211 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: where Boogie Basham was kind of in a different situation 212 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: there with the Demon Deakins another player that coach Spencer 213 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: to your point, is gonna be very, very familiar with 214 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: his Michael Parsons, who didn't play this year opted out. 215 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: Is he a guy that has all the traits you're 216 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: looking for? And how do you think he would have, 217 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, blown up the combine if you would have 218 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: attended this year. Yeah, I think it's six three, two 219 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: forties something. I think he's running or in. Yeah, he's 220 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: wow guy. And uh And I talked to Brent Pride 221 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: as the defensive coordinator there. I talked to his position coach. 222 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: Those guys gushed about him over the course of the 223 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: last year when they talked about his potential and what 224 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: he could be also, and I think this bodes well 225 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: is one of them and told me, you know, when 226 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: the spotlight was bigger. He actually responded, you would hear 227 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: stuff from people inside the Penn State program about, you know, 228 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: if it if they were in a third and five 229 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: situation in the red zone, he would like to be 230 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: the guy who you're going to throw a fade too, 231 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: Like he wants to go in and and make every play. 232 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, there's gonna be a 233 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: challenge there in terms of making sure that you know 234 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: his eyes are always in the right place. And I 235 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: think sometimes where the guy has always been the greatest 236 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: athlete on the field, and you could say that he 237 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: was certainly even in the big ten um, you know, 238 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: what's going to be the process, like when there's other 239 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: guys around you who are grown men as well. But 240 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: to me, uh, he's different than all the other linebackers 241 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: in this group. And you know, and and I don't 242 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: want to say he's this player, but Devin White was 243 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: a phenomenal athlete at l s U at a big side, 244 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: you know, two forty pounds, was a former running back, 245 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: was a four four guy, and we saw that, you know, 246 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: like what that look like on the field against the Chiefs. 247 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of similarities to me in 248 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: terms of what kind of wow athlete you have who 249 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: can run all over the field make plays. I think 250 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: that could be Michael Parsons, one of their lineback going 251 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: to ask you about very quickly Jeremiah Wosu Karamoa at 252 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: a Notre Dame. Is he gonna test more like a safety? Uh? 253 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: It's funny because the safety that Notre Dame has who's 254 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: not eligible to be in the draft, Kyle Hamilton's if 255 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: you could test like that, Kyle Hamilton's like six four 256 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: and forty vertical jump. Like with Jeremiah, I think is 257 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: a really really good football player. To me, he is 258 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: somebody you'd look at and say, Okay, I feel like 259 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: he's gonna be good no matter what system you put 260 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: him in. And I think he's everything I've heard. He's 261 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: a really smart kid, he's very athletic. He was another 262 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: guy on our Freaks list. Um, I don't think he's 263 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: I don't think he's Michael Parsons, but I don't think 264 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: anybody else who plays linebacker in this group is. And 265 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: so in that regard, you have him, Uh, you have uh, 266 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: David Collins from from Tulsa, who's a bigger dude, who 267 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: makes a lot of plays, who has, you know, just 268 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: elite coverage skills despite being as that big. It's I 269 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: think it's a question if you're in the if what 270 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: team you are, what you really value here, but I 271 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: could see, um, you know he's still around when like 272 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: in the Ravens pick or somewhere past you know, eighteen twenty. 273 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: I feel like he's gonna be a huge steal for someone. 274 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: Let's go to cornerback. I only have two more questions 275 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: off your freaks list here before we get the other story, 276 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: which again I thought was fantastic. Bruce Caleb Farley. I 277 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: watched his tape. I've never seen a guy tracked down 278 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: like four four wide receivers like Caleb Farley has what 279 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: he was playing two years ago before he opted out. 280 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: How fast is he going to test? Are we talking 281 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: about potential record breaking times here for him? For a 282 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: guy that got as much range as he is in 283 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: terms of you know, six to I think he is 284 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: probably in the high four threes. I don't think you're 285 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: looking at four to nine at that at that range. 286 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: But some of the Virginia Tech staff had told me 287 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: his GPS numbers were pretty eye opening at that point. 288 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: And so, uh, you know you have in these in 289 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: this group of cornerbacks with him, Ye have Pat certain 290 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: from from Alabama. Um, you have J. C. Horn, another 291 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: high pedigree guy obviously just like Pat and J. C. 292 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: Horns at at South Carolina. Of those guys, they're all 293 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: obviously really really athletic because they play corner and they 294 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: and especially um, you know, they have prototype range. I 295 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: think Farley is just a little different, a little twitchier, 296 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, it's just the question of 297 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: when they turn on the film, will they look and go, Okay, 298 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: we see what this guy is, and then we can 299 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: see what is this guy gonna be, you know, three 300 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: years from now, because I feel like there was a 301 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: lot of inconsistency with the Virginia Tech. I'm not saying 302 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: necessarily with him, but I think that, um, you know, 303 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: I could see any one of those three guys. You know. 304 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm working on a story now for the draft for 305 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: next week, and I talked to a couple of different 306 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: codes in the SEC. One guy loved Patsertan. The other 307 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: one was like, he might be better as a safety 308 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: than a corner, you know, and it's like, so it's 309 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: beauties in the eye beholder. But I think you all 310 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: have you know, you have three tops top twenty caliber cornerbacks. 311 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: There final question on the Freaks list, and I gotta 312 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: bring out the list here because there were more wide 313 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: receivers on your list than any of the position. Not 314 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: a surprise, Bruce. That's kind of where all the best 315 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: athletes get shuttled. Now right up, they're not playing quarterback. 316 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: So a couple of these guys could be available in 317 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: the second round. Want to kind of focus on two 318 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: of them because they have the type of size at 319 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: the giant it might be looking for as a bigger 320 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Nico Collins is one out of Michigan. He 321 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: was an opt out. I was impressed with him in mobile. 322 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: You know, a bit of a long strider, but he 323 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: could go up and make plays on the ball. And 324 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: then Semi Fihoko six four but you said in their 325 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: freak story that he was running in the low four four. 326 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: So what do you think the upside is is for 327 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: those two guys? And if they had a chance to 328 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: participate the combine, given their you know measurables both in 329 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: terms of physicality and in terms of the testing, could 330 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: they have really helped themselves. Yeah. On Semi Phohoco, my 331 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: my TV crew at Fox we did the opener they 332 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: had in twenty nineteen against Northwestern and those everybody in 333 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: the program because we were there during the week swore 334 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: he was legit for for a guy, and you'd see 335 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: and you're like, you weren't sure that that was that 336 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: now when he opens up, yes. I think with Nico Collins, 337 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: the thing that that I had heard which was big 338 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: for him related to remember in a couple of years ago, 339 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: he was there with Donald Donovan, People's Jones was a 340 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: huge recruit and obviously Uh has gotten you know, gotten 341 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: off to a solid NFL career. Um and then Dreike 342 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: Black who ended up going to Texas, but all three 343 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 1: were pretty hyped guys. Nico Collins, Um, the thing that 344 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: I had always heard was was really tough kid, and 345 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: I think that bodes well because of what you said 346 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: he opted out and I think, um, because of you know, 347 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: his physicality on the field. I could see him really flourishing. 348 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: I could also see him being undervalued in the draft 349 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: process because we're gonna talk a lot about the two 350 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: kids from Alabama Jamaar Chase at the top of the 351 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: draft Uh, and then all of a sudden, there's gonna 352 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: be other guys who are gonna slide around where you know, 353 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: you have Rashad Bateman from from Minnesota, who's a really 354 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: good football player who who was a huge recruit for 355 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: p J flect to get him out of Georgia. But 356 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: he's similar size, and he runs well, and he has 357 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: really good ball skills, and I could see him getting 358 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: a little more attention. Then you have like a super 359 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: fast kid and too too at well who's pretty tiny, 360 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: but he might be the fastest kid in this in 361 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: this draft, maybe the exception of I guess Anthony Schwartz, who's, 362 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, legit world class track guy. But so there's 363 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of guys to sort through, 364 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: and I I feel like, and maybe I'm wrong, but 365 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: I feel like Nico Collins could get lost in the shuffle, 366 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: just in terms of in the chatter of this where 367 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: I think he's a really really good football player, and 368 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: Nico Collins did not play with a great quarterback, unlike 369 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: a lot of these other guys were talking about. So, um, 370 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, I really like him. I I think he's 371 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: he's good, He's I think it he deserves to be 372 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: talked about in that regard because I think if he 373 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: ends up in the middle of the second round or 374 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: in the third round, people are gonna look back and 375 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: go somebody got to steal out of that. Hey, Giant 376 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: Fans limited Giants He's and tickets are on sale now 377 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: for the season. 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And 385 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: for the folks that don't know, the NFL is a 386 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: system called Zebra, which is basically their GPS tracking software 387 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: all those next gen stats. Remember Giant Fans when they 388 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: said Daniel Jones ran twenty four miles prow wherever was 389 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: on that eight yard run he had last year? Old, 390 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: that's the Zebra system doing that stuff. But Bruce, they're 391 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: starting to use things similar to that in college, right, 392 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: and based on the story that you wrote, it sounds 393 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: like it might start at some point once it's adopted 394 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: more universally, making some of these events and forty times 395 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: a little bit obsolete. Yeah, I think it's heading in 396 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: that direction now, Zebra with the chips and the shoulders. 397 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: Everybody on the field. Both teams have it, as we 398 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: were reported in our story. In college, yeah, a lot 399 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: of teams use GPS, but uh, one of the experts 400 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: I talked to you said, it's a little like only 401 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: watching game film, but you only get to watch your team. 402 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: You don't watch the other eleven guys because you lose 403 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: some information just because you don't have the context of it. 404 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: So what this story really, I thought, you know, was 405 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: bringing out was so much of this GPS and and 406 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: performance science industry has kind of been in the basement 407 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: of especially college football, where these data scientists will kind 408 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: of put out the reports every three months and people 409 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: will kind of parsed through it. Dave Anderson, for some 410 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: NFL FMS will remember him, was a receiver for the 411 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: Houston Texans in the early midtooth from two thousand five 412 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: to like two thousand and eleven. He ended up going 413 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: to uh get his NBA at USC and then work 414 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: for a company called Second Spectrum, which is a pioneering 415 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: analytics company that the NBA is a real is a 416 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: is a heavyweight partner in and and what he has 417 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: done and I think what now his group breakaway data 418 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: And Steve Gara is another former NFL coach and executive 419 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: who is partner with Anderson, and they're backed by the 420 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dodgers who have been really out in front 421 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: and analytics in baseball. And so what they're seeing is 422 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: there's It comes back to are we asking the right 423 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: questions of the of the intel, meaning like you can, yeah, 424 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: you can find out what somebody's top end was, like 425 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: you said it with the Daniel Jones Jones run. But 426 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: it's also about how quickly somebody separates coming out of 427 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: a break off the line. What what do they do 428 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: re accelerating, de accelerating, and how quickly does it take 429 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: some of those other measurables that they have the technology 430 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: to be able to chart. Um, it's now there. It's 431 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: the question is do the do the coaches actually know 432 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: it's there? And then what do they do with the 433 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: data when they went in terms of not just evaluating, 434 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: but also in terms of the development piece. And that's 435 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: been fascinating to hear because as Dave explained it to me, 436 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: um you're talking about athletes who now they can train 437 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: differently because they see where they're more deficient in terms 438 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: of these things and maybe on the development side of 439 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: like college athletes. And in this past year Nick Saban 440 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: made a huge change where he got a new UM 441 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: sports performance staff where he hired uh Dr Matt Ray, 442 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: who is really a pioneer in this field. And so 443 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: they went away from what had been kind of the 444 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: traditional strength and strength and conditioning program to something way 445 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: more science and data based. And obviously they want a 446 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: national title. And for people who see the story in 447 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: the athletic they'll see, you know, Naja Harris, who has 448 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: is a terrific running back, he kind of explains what 449 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: was different his position. Coach can talk about how they 450 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: really um you know, in his mind, how he took 451 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: to it because as he said, you know, kids are 452 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: way more tangible now. They want to see it and 453 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: they want to see evidence. They want to see proof, 454 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: They want to see numbers that they can that they 455 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: can really UM tap into. And so that I think 456 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: that's where this is allheaded right now. You know, it's 457 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: interesting because you mentioned context and why that's so important 458 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: because you know, Bruce, it's you know, great Daniel Jones 459 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: had a thirty yard runway, he got up to x 460 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: miles per hour? How often is that gonna happen to 461 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 1: a game? Right? Nobody really cares, But you know, how 462 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: does the guys separate in the first ten yards of 463 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: a route? How does he come out of a break 464 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: how does he you know, work in short areas? Short 465 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: area quick dis assimilate the three cone drill for example, 466 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: is that stuff if everybody has the same chips and 467 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: is using the same system, that they can actually create 468 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: those data sets in context to tell coaches, well, on 469 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: this you know twenty yard big route, we know he 470 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: comes out of the route, well, or you know he 471 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: shakes this guy in space? Well can they get into 472 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: that sort of crazy detail? They can? And that's the 473 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: interesting thing. So the breakaway data guys, they worked with 474 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: the XFL, so they had done some beta testing UM 475 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: with this the Spring league that is a kind of 476 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: minor league football, and they partner with the XFL to 477 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: create different combine drills. And so if you if people 478 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: go into the story that we had UM from the 479 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: Athletic the other day, I linked the the receiver drill 480 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: that's in there. And so now what we didn't include 481 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: because it's kind of hard to see. Is basically there'll 482 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: be a graph and a chart where like it's almost 483 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: like looks like there was an earthquake that hit about 484 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: where where the players, um burst comes, how quickly it 485 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: is and everything, and it's like all that stuff um 486 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: is manageable and so you know, this is very wonky term, 487 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: but like Anderson, Dave Anderson was saying, you know, like 488 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: once you get into this, they can they can iterate 489 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: off it and kind of coaches can take it wherever 490 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: they most value it. So let's say, you know, Seawan 491 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: Spencer may value this part of something in a defensive 492 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: lineman where is the saintsy line coach Ryan Nilsen may 493 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: value something different, especially in different schemes. And you can 494 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: measure all that because it's just the key is like 495 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: kind of writing the writing the program for it, and 496 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: then kind of it's formatting the data and everything else. 497 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: And so this company has really got trying to get 498 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: out in front of that and what's you know, that's 499 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: why some NFL teams are talking to them now because 500 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: they don't have the combine to basically it's now it's 501 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: it's started out as a workaround, but I think what 502 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna end up getting into is seeing this is 503 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: a big compliment to where, hey, this is probably more 504 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: useful than the forty time is, but we'll still do 505 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: the forty times. That's what we've always done. That game 506 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: that is always gonna be better, right, Combine nobody's wearing pads, 507 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: no helmets, things change, guys trained for which can sometimes 508 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: make it different than the games. Beat all that stuff. 509 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: So I guess my question is that how close do 510 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: you think these individual conferences are to developing these universal 511 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: standards from team to team? And then I guess the 512 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: most the more important would be would they be willing 513 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: to share that data with the NFL front office is 514 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: when it comes time for drafts. That's so the first 515 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: question is David Anderson, who's from out in Los Angeles. 516 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: He was like, PAC twelve wants to be known as 517 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: its innovation conference, that they should be the first ones 518 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: to do this, but the reality is will probably be 519 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: somebody like the SEC. Because the SEC is going to 520 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: see it as a competitive advantage, they will jump in 521 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: on it. Uh. He thought that's where that would go. 522 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: We'll see you know where. It's funny because in the 523 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: within a day of our story going up, I heard 524 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: from a bunch of different Power five coaching staff who 525 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: are trying to get in touch with Breakaway Data to 526 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: see about what they could do with them or do 527 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: for them. So that part was interesting. The second piece 528 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: of this um, as as you asked, I think that 529 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: it's going so fast. But at the same time, UM, 530 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: one of the things that that breakaway data brought up 531 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: as like who owns that? Does the player own their numbers? Um? 532 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: You know, because if you're an agent, are you gonna say, Hey, 533 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: that's my player, that's his that's his information. It's almost 534 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: like his medical records. UM. And I think that stuff 535 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: probably needs to be sorted out because I'm sure that 536 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure the teams would argue that it's the colleges. 537 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: But at the same time, um, the colleges are going 538 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: to cooperate, you would think, uh, with the NFL teams 539 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: because they're giving them then uh, just a kind of 540 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: an unbarnished it's not really even an opinion. It's like, hey, 541 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: this is what Johnny Smith does, uh, coming out of 542 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: his break on on a ten yard route or whatever. 543 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: It's not it's like, oh, you're telling you're revealing drug 544 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: testing records or things like that, which they may you know, 545 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: discuss anecdotally. It's just a different thing. My final question, Bruce, 546 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: I like to ask this for the guys that don't 547 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: do NFL draft stuff and actually do college for a living, 548 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: because you guys see stuff that I think people watching 549 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: the tape dotes sometimes. Who is someone that you've seen 550 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: the last two, three or four years, how along they 551 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: be in college football? And you're sitting there and you're like, 552 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: why aren't these people like mocking this guy in the 553 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: top fifteen of the top twenty. I washed him in 554 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: college football? He's fantastic. Why are people talking more about 555 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: this guy? Or maybe one, two or three guys? However, Man, 556 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: you want to throw out there, anybody really stick out 557 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: to you that you think is really being underplayed in 558 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: this draft process, in this year's in this year's draft. Um, 559 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: let me think about that for a second. Um. It's 560 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: funny because this is not the answer or to say, 561 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: but like, the most wild player that I think I had, 562 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, as a sideline reporter saw and this player 563 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: ended up having a breakout year, especially around the Super Bowl, 564 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: was Vita via Vitave watching him in the Pack twelve 565 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: and I saw him do the in the Apple Cup, 566 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: just throwing three pound Washington State alignment around like they 567 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: were like like kids furniture. It was just like to 568 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: see it from field level was mind blowing. Um, let 569 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:09,239 Speaker 1: me think about this for a second, Like I'm just 570 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: like trying to give it. Uh, you know, I I'm 571 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: curious where Jonathan Adams from from Arkansas State ends up. 572 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he's really big, he's very athletic. I just 573 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: think he's a guy who, Um, you know, there's there's 574 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: a couple of kids like guys like this where Auburn 575 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: has a receiver to where Seth Williams where it's just 576 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: like they just beast college defensive backs. You just wonder 577 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: if they're gonna be able to do it um in 578 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: the NFL to the same degree, right, And like Seth 579 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: Williams was that guy at Auburn as well. Um you 580 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: know there's a player from USC Talnoa who Fanga was 581 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: a terrific player as safety, was smart, was explosive, was 582 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: a playmaker. The only thing is and I feel like 583 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: I kind of know the answer to why he's probably 584 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: not getting hyped up as much as his performance would 585 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: tell me. It's just I know he's had a lot 586 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: of he's been banged up a lot um you know. 587 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: I remember we had a he played a game against 588 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: Utah a Friday night in twenty nineteen. He was fantastic, 589 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: and I remember talking to him after the game and 590 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I played, I messed up my 591 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: labor m in this game. And he didn't say it 592 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: on the on the TV interview. He said it afterwards. 593 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,719 Speaker 1: But you know, like he's a guy who's taken all. 594 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's taking a bunch of hits, and so 595 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: you just wonder what the team doctors are going to 596 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: give their response. But I thought, uh, he is a 597 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: really really good football player and I could see if 598 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: he stays healthy, I could see him having a terrific 599 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: NFL career. Javon Holland, ore Agon safety. He is a 600 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: Bay Area kid. Coaches kid, uh did a bunch of 601 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: his games. There is a wow factor. He was like 602 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: total three and out guy's he's he's a playmaker. He 603 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: can give you things in special teams. I think he 604 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: has first round ability. I am surprised is he's not. 605 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: You know, people have not talked about him that way. 606 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: And maybe there's more stuff that I don't know on 607 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: that front. Um, But just I thought he was a 608 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: was a fantastic player. Um. You know, I got like 609 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: I said, I got to see him a bunch. He's 610 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: one that definitely would fit in there. Um. You know 611 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: another guy who I kind of Pete Warner, who's a 612 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: linebacker at Ohio State, super versatile. I think he's a 613 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: really really good football player. I bet he plays in 614 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: the NFL for a dozen years. I think he's I 615 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: don't My guess is he will not be a first 616 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: or second round pick. Um not huge, runs really well, 617 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: has some good length. I think he was really um 618 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: one of the most underrated players in college football the 619 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: last last year. Bruce, fantastic. We appreciate you being so 620 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: generous with your time. Thank you so much. Hope to 621 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: have you back on again soon to talk about probably 622 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: next year's Jeff. When we get to anything, you want 623 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: to tell the folks about, uh stuff you're doing that 624 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: you wanted to check out where they go to find 625 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: your work and all that good stuff. Uh, just go 626 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: to the athletic or you can have a book that 627 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: came out, Um, which I think will give some pretty 628 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: good insight actually into all you know, Joe Burrow, Joe Brady, 629 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: all these l s U guys now flip the script. 630 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: You can find it on top of my Twitter profile. Um. 631 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: If if people are really looking for an offseason read, 632 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: that would be it. Um. But yeah, it's cool. You know, 633 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: as as we're talking about this, I was like, man, 634 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: I there's a lot of a lot of guys who 635 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: I used to know, who who I will see at 636 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: the combine or maybe I won't this year obviously, who 637 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: are now on that staff. So it's, um, it's you know, 638 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: and you know you had Bilma last year, so it's 639 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: it's it's cool to see a lot of them kind 640 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: of you know, get an opportunity at that level. It 641 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: is it's been fun to watch Joe Judge put a 642 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: staff together and watching work. Bruce, thanks so much again 643 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you soon. All right, my pleasure. 644 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Bruce Felton. We thank you for 645 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: joining us on this episode of The John Suttle Podcast 646 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: and the reminder Again. It can be found on John's 647 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: dot com slash podcast, The John Smill Blaff on your 648 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: favorite podcast platforms, The John's Podcast that. We're just presented 649 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: by Investors Bank for Bruce Felman. I'm John Chamulk. Thanks 650 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: for being with us. We'll see you next time on 651 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: the Giant Huddle.