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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Fascinating to see what stories the media

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Speaker 1: focuses on day in and day out, because it tells

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Speaker 1: you so much about their worldview or their politics in

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Speaker 1: a whole range of ways, and certainly in the aftermath

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Speaker 1: of a horrific mass shooting, whether they decide that this

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Speaker 1: story deserves wall to wall coverage is a political call

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Speaker 1: to action and is something that should be used to

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Speaker 1: shame their political opponents, irrespective of really what the facts

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Speaker 1: are of the situation. That is something that we see

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Speaker 1: happening time and time again. I bring it up because

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Speaker 1: right now, Clay and I talked to you yesterday about

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Speaker 1: the shooting that occurred over the weekend at a dance

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Speaker 1: hall where you had ten people who were murdered by

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Speaker 1: this guy who was just a disgruntled, disgruntled, deeply unhappy

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Speaker 1: person who just turned to the worst kind of evil,

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Speaker 1: killed ten people and was going to kill more. He

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Speaker 1: moved to a second location. I actually shared this clip

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. It's it's remarkable. Brandon SI was on scene

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Speaker 1: there and he was the individual, the hero who this

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Speaker 1: guy is reloading. Now I know a lot of people think, oh,

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Speaker 1: I would have done this too. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: would freeze. You've got somebody who has I think it

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Speaker 1: has been repeatedly described as a pistol, but it's or

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Speaker 1: rather as an assault rifle in the media, But it's

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Speaker 1: really a pistol with a folding stock, I think. But

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Speaker 1: either way it's it's illegal under technically a pistol of

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Speaker 1: the folding stock illegal under California law. This guy, Brandon Si,

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Speaker 1: essentially rushed the shooter, who you can, I think safely

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Speaker 1: assume otherwise would have been able to kill another ten, fifteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty people who were helpless, defenseless at this So this

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Speaker 1: guy saved a lot of lives. But that shooting occurred

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Speaker 1: over the weekend, and as we know, the Democrats immediately

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Speaker 1: jumped into the oh, this is a hate crime. And

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Speaker 1: I don't just mean in general Democrats, top legislators, senators,

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Speaker 1: Democrats associated closely with the Bide administration in the White House.

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Speaker 1: There was another shooting over the last few days. Seven people.

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Speaker 1: Seven people were killed in this shooting. And this shooting

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Speaker 1: also involved an Asian American elderly, a person, yeah, a

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Speaker 1: person of Asian dissent, A Chinese agricultural laborer sixty seven

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Speaker 1: in the San Francisco area Half Moon Bay, went into

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Speaker 1: his work facility and just started murdering people. Shot seven

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Speaker 1: people in cold blood. Now that came seventy two hours

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Speaker 1: after the other individual who actually killed eleven people. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: one of them additionally succumbed to injuries. I'll kill the

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Speaker 1: eleven people at a lunar New Year's celebration in Monterey Park,

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Speaker 1: which is near Los Angeles. Two major mass shootings by

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Speaker 1: two Asian assailants, one of whom already a believe committed

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Speaker 1: won't face any trial. But two shootings, mass shootings Asian assailants,

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Speaker 1: and the media interest on this is minimal because it's

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Speaker 1: not an opportunity to try to find some tie into

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Speaker 1: And one of the one of the big lives Clay

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Speaker 1: the media pushes about shooting a mass shootings, in particular

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Speaker 1: mass shootings of three or more people, is that this

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Speaker 1: is the it's disgruntled white males who do this this

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Speaker 1: is what you'll always hear. It's actually not true. It's

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Speaker 1: the ethnicity of the shooter is essentially totally in line

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Speaker 1: spread evenly among all they're all male, but among all

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Speaker 1: to push this storyline of it's you know, angry white

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Speaker 1: the one that is maybe the most emblematic of this

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Speaker 1: So they initially said, oh, look, another crazy white guy

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Speaker 1: something deeply disturbing when you look at when you really

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Speaker 1: the democrat liberal mind has an obsession with the denigration

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Speaker 1: They this is this is a a false virtue signaling

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Speaker 1: And you see this as it is evidenced by media

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Speaker 1: ill people who are spread through all populations, which is true,

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Speaker 1: that's going to happen, which is what the data all shows.

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Speaker 1: Instead of looking honestly at that issue because there's no

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Speaker 1: I mean, they'll even be blue check commentators. There's a

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Speaker 1: always a white mass shoot It's just not true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but this is this is one of the lies that

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately a lot of people you and I make

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Speaker 1: CNN says, you know another another white, you know, male shooter,

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Speaker 1: It's not It's not reality. And that's why I think,

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Speaker 1: this stuff. They wanted to call it something like Overseas

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Speaker 1: Continuency Operations against Violent Radical Extremism. I'm not kidding. It

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Speaker 1: was actually something that was so long. I remember sitting

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Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. This is an encyclopedia. This isn't a

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Speaker 1: don't know what their belief system is. And they would

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Speaker 1: the democratic line media now, which is, let's not focus

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Speaker 1: too much on the mass shot, on any mass shooting

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Speaker 1: that doesn't evolve a white perpetrator, because we have to

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Speaker 1: the ones that do it all the time. It's incongruent.

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Speaker 1: It's what's the phrase, I'm dre cognitive dissonance. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: we had the Walmart shooter, was a black guy right

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Speaker 1: the double Asian shooter. We had the former football player

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Speaker 1: in short concert. The stories will vanish, but you still

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Speaker 1: racist white guy goes into a black supermarket, kills people there,

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Speaker 1: and they choose which stories to emphasize. To your point,

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Speaker 1: first of all mass shootings, if we eliminated every mass shooting,

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Speaker 1: still be happening in this country. You know, that's also

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Speaker 1: true of a part of an issue. It's also true

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Speaker 1: about modern sporting rifles aka assault rifles. You banned assault rifles,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're obsessed with you know why, because they

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Speaker 1: view gun control. Yes, ultimately they want to stop they

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Speaker 1: the founding fathers and shrine of the Constitution. But every

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Speaker 1: a white male Republican, AAR fifteen owner. And that's why

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Speaker 1: such a unique circumstance. The Hispanic shooter there they covered.

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Speaker 1: Obviously u vil Day got a massive amount of attention

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Speaker 1: That was also on the list of the biggest police

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Speaker 1: if that's possible for you know, for future law enforcement generations.

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Speaker 1: All Right, so my friends switching gears here. Think of

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Speaker 1: time and money that was invested years ago by somebody

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Speaker 1: in your family to videotape all those joyful things in life. Vacations,

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Speaker 1: football games, birthdays, so many things. Somebody who was on

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Speaker 1: hand with that videocam working away. I remember my dad

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Speaker 1: we were there for Christmas and for birthdays. You had

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Speaker 1: all those videotapes, right, and they're stored away. My family

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Speaker 1: has them, We've got them in storage. Those memories are precious.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to throw them out, but they're just

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Speaker 1: share them or play them, and they're gonna degrade because

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Speaker 1: the actual media they're on degrade. What can you do

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Speaker 1: these days? Legacy Box. Legacy Box is a Tennessee based

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Speaker 1: company that has all the right gear to safely transfer

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Speaker 1: I wonder if Pence having these documents is going to

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Speaker 1: lessen the enthusiasm of the new Republican majority in the

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Speaker 1: House to start asking a lot of aggressive questions, because

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Speaker 1: I really think that's the only way we're going to

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Speaker 1: find out anything here. That these special counsels are there

433
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Speaker 1: to just say, you know, we're doing our investigation. We

434
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Speaker 1: can't comment. So this whole thing is supposed to go

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Speaker 1: into a black hole. Either the Republicans in the House

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Speaker 1: use their subpoena power and conduct hearings. That's the only

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Speaker 1: way we're going to find out anything. And I just

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Speaker 1: wonder if they'll do that at this point. Andy, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, and Buck and I both have this opinion.

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Speaker 1: Now my opinion's changed. I thought they would charge Trump

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Speaker 1: over the classified documents. I now think with you that

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Speaker 1: they will not. I wonder if this classified documents scandal

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Speaker 1: is becoming so all encompassing that it actually is going

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Speaker 1: to make it harder for the Department of Justice to

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Speaker 1: charge Trump for anything January sixth. They're related. Now, I

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Speaker 1: presume you would think those were harder charges to bring

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Speaker 1: in the first place. But do you think this overall

448
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Speaker 1: mushroom cloud of incompetence that sort of is surrounding everything

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Speaker 1: now is actually making it far less likely that anything

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Speaker 1: January sixth related will also be brought against President Trump.

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Speaker 1: That's a really interesting question. I hadn't thought about that.

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Speaker 1: I've thought up until now that they look at January

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Speaker 1: sixth and the Mara Lago documents as like two separate

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Speaker 1: boxes that don't really have much to do with each other.

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Speaker 1: Although I do think that if they had found at

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Speaker 1: Mara Lago any documents that were incriminating with respect to

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Speaker 1: the Capital Riot, they would certainly have used them. But

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Speaker 1: I thought they were looking at that as like two

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Speaker 1: separate trend I agree with you, by the way on that,

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Speaker 1: but I thought the charges would actually be easier on

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Speaker 1: the classified docs to prove and so, but it's such

462
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Speaker 1: a mushroom cloud now that I almost feel like it

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Speaker 1: implicates January sixth. Then I was just wondering if you

464
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Speaker 1: thought so too, because in the mind of the public

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Speaker 1: charging anybody now, when it looks like there could be,

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Speaker 1: you know, potentially felonious behavior everywhere, feels kind of like

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Speaker 1: a arbitrary and capricious application of the law. Yeah, I

468
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: think there could be something to be said to that,

469
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Speaker 1: But I still think that their big problem with January

470
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Speaker 1: sixth is because Trump is not implicated in the violence,

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Speaker 1: the only way that you make a federal case out

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Speaker 1: of that is to criminalize John Eastman's legal theory, right,

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Speaker 1: And I just think that this whole idea of going

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Speaker 1: down the avenue of making a felony into frivolous legal

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Speaker 1: theories is nuts. I mean, I don't think we want

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Speaker 1: to live in that kind of a system. I know

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00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: they're so rapid to get Trump that they'll probably overlook

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Speaker 1: all that, But I've had hope that because they haven't

479
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: done it up until now, that maybe Garland realizes this

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Speaker 1: is like a really bad idea. Annie MacArthur, everybody look

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Speaker 1: for his latest on National Review and also on Fox News. Andy.

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Speaker 1: We always appreciate it, look forward to talking to you again. Thanks, guys.

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Speaker 1: Biden's got that going forward tomorrow. Oh man, I forgot

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Speaker 1: and inclusion seminars have been completed by you know, the

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Speaker 1: FAA or something. But Pete Buddha Judge is out there

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Speaker 1: telling everybody. Remember, he's transportation secret I think it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say the most consequential think about that term, though,

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Speaker 1: the most consequential transportation secretary in recent memory. I'm saying

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Speaker 1: he's good, but he certainly had consequences. Yeah, very much

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Speaker 1: about transportation secretaries in the past, because everything just kind

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Speaker 1: of worked and so it didn't matter. It's it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting argument. You'd have to go back quite a ways

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Speaker 1: to be able to or you have to ask a

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Speaker 1: lot of people for them to even be able to

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Speaker 1: rattle off a transportation secrety. I think. By the way, Langley,

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Speaker 1: the George HW. Bush Intelligence Center is also right next

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Speaker 1: to the Federal Highway Administration. So there's that for those

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Speaker 1: of you who've ever had a tour of CIA headquarters.

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00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: I didn't even I don't know Federal Highway Administration. I

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00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: used to joke around. You know, that's that's where the

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Speaker 1: real secret stuff's actually happening. Langley was all just a front.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's like men and even tour. You can

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Speaker 1: take a tour of the CIA. Uh, they used to

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Speaker 1: do them. They don't really do them. I don't know.

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00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: They kind of go back and forth on it. It's

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Speaker 1: obviously super limited. You basically can like press sometimes will

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Speaker 1: go into the lobby, or they have portraits of the

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Speaker 1: former directors, the stars on the wall for fallen officers.

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Speaker 1: But like that's it. You know, you're not you're not

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Speaker 1: like hanging out with everybody that you could even walk

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Speaker 1: around Langley like I wouldn't think. I know, you can

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Speaker 1: tour the FBI. I've done the FBI tour before, but

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Speaker 1: that's not really on its own camp. It's right down

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Speaker 1: on its own campus. They have a couple of internal

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Speaker 1: spy museums at the CIA where they have things, you know,

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Speaker 1: World War two era oss stuff and things like that.

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Speaker 1: So I think, you know, they're very limited tours you

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Speaker 1: can do. But it's not, No, they don't. They don't bust.

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Speaker 1: It's not like the Bronx su They're not sending bus

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Speaker 1: loads of kids out there to you know, to go

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Speaker 1: check out did you get adrenaline Rusha's working at the CIA,

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Speaker 1: where you were like, oh, like, this is because people

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Speaker 1: tend to have it. And I'll say this, people think

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Speaker 1: when you practice a law that it's all like a

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Speaker 1: time to kill, you know, and when they think of lawyers,

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Speaker 1: and most of the time you're just like sitting in

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Speaker 1: front of a computer pushing a button, you know, like

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Speaker 1: over and over again to scroll through emails. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just curious. Very similar, yeah, very similar reality. I used

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Speaker 1: to say to people that being a CIA analyst, which

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Speaker 1: is what I was doing, and there's other jobs. Case

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Speaker 1: officers a very prominent role the people often will think of.

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Speaker 1: It's written about a lot of books and talked about

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Speaker 1: but to be a CIA analyst, which is what Jack

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Speaker 1: Ryan was very handsome, played by Harrison Ford and now

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Speaker 1: by John Krasinski. Just putting that out in Affleck I

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Speaker 1: think also played him right, Ben Affleck. So you know,

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Speaker 1: handsome CI analysts with great hair who live in Georgetown.

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Speaker 1: That's like a thing. That's a thing that happens. But

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's I used to tell people it's

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Speaker 1: eighty percent mundane, ten percent particularly crappy, and ten percent

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Speaker 1: legitimately cool and badassy. So eighty percent of your hours

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Speaker 1: are doing things that you're like, well, you know, I

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Speaker 1: could be like I could be working in mutual of Omaha.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's paperwork, it's meeting, that's whatever. Some of

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Speaker 1: the training stuff you get to do. And then obviously

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Speaker 1: going overseas it's a whole lot more interesting and you

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Speaker 1: see a side of the world. I love reading, You

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Speaker 1: love reading. So the information that you got to learn

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Speaker 1: and have access to is itself interesting. But the job

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Speaker 1: of a CIA analyst is like the job of an

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Speaker 1: analyst anywhere else, massive amounts of information absorption and then

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Speaker 1: synthesis into small usable bytes, in this case for the

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Speaker 1: policy community. But it is it's a reading and writing job. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did get weapons training and stuff, but it's really

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Speaker 1: a reading and writing job, which is really very similar

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Speaker 1: to being a lawyer, right, Like you're basically just synthesize

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Speaker 1: arguments and try to and a little bit of what

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Speaker 1: we do here, right, there's a voluminous amount of data

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00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: that comes in every single day and we try to

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Speaker 1: make sense of it for the larger or community. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: being an intelligence officer, I always joke around people's actually

609
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Speaker 1: very good training for being a doing media, being a writer, journalism.

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Speaker 1: It's all very very similar. Back to Pete Boute judge

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Speaker 1: for a second here though, because the most now increasingly,

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Speaker 1: I think you could say, incompetent secretary of transportation that

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Speaker 1: anybody can remember is out there reminding everyone that every

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Speaker 1: decision about transportation is a climate change decision, Play twenty four.

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Speaker 1: But we're looking at investments that are fair, that contribute

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Speaker 1: to equitable economic growth, We're looking at climate impacts, because

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Speaker 1: every transportation decision in the twenty first century is a

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Speaker 1: climate decision, whether we recognize it or not. And thankfully,

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Speaker 1: because we have such a big investment, you don't have

620
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Speaker 1: to look at which states got funds from this infrastructure

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Speaker 1: law and which ones didn't every single state. I believe

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Speaker 1: we're already over three thousand bridges. So we're making sure,

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Speaker 1: whether they're talking about big projects like this or smaller communities,

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Speaker 1: that every part of America sees the benefit, because frankly,

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Speaker 1: every part of America has a need. Just notice that

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Speaker 1: whenever someone starts using the term equity and climate and

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Speaker 1: climate equity and these things altogether. This is the language

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Speaker 1: of the modern day American commissar, sort of like in

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Speaker 1: the Soviet Union when there's always talk of the revolution

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Speaker 1: and the need for the workers and all that stuff. Equity, climate,

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Speaker 1: this is the secular religion of America today, and Pete

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Speaker 1: Buddha Judge is one of its priests. I think that's

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Speaker 1: well said. I'm also genuinely curious about what his future is.

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Speaker 1: So he's not a very good transportation secretary. He's relocated

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Speaker 1: to Michigan. There's obviously a Senate seat that is opening

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Speaker 1: in Michigan. But if he ran for the Senate and lost,

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Speaker 1: it would certainly dent his ambitions going forward. He probably

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Speaker 1: in the back of his mind thinks, Okay, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to run against Kamala and beat her in twenty eight

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Speaker 1: because we think Biden's going to run in twenty four,

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Speaker 1: but is he going to be Transportation secretary for eight years?

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Speaker 1: talk about it, but you look at the data. He

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Speaker 1: didn't get any support from minority voters. Pete Mayor Pete

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Speaker 1: Kamala's VP, and we have the Diversity and Inclusion Ticket

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Speaker 1: officially out there for twenty twenty eight. The conversation continue

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Speaker 1: We are joined now by Mike Pompeo, seventieth Secretary of State,

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Speaker 1: former CIA director under Donald Trump, his new book, Never

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Speaker 1: Given Inch, Fighting for the America I love and Secretary Pompeo,

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Speaker 1: you probably didn't expect this would be the lead question.

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Speaker 1: But given that Mike Pence has classified documents, and given

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump has classified documents and Joe Biden has

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Speaker 1: classified documents, do you have classified documents? Have have you

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Speaker 1: gone back through papers in the way all this? What

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Speaker 1: do you make of everybody seeming to have classified documents? Oh,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, foot one a mess. No, I don't believe

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Speaker 1: that anything that's classified. Anybody who has that, they should

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Speaker 1: turn it back in what a mess. Classified documents should

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Speaker 1: stay in the places they're supposed to be. And just

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Speaker 1: as importantly, if it turns out that somehow they where

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Speaker 1: they weren't supposed to be, you should give them back,

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Speaker 1: and then you should be as transparent as you can

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Speaker 1: about what the heck it happened. By the way, you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't say you don't have regrets. If someone as classified

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Speaker 1: information in my home or near my corvette corvette, I

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Speaker 1: promise you I wouldn't say I didn't have any regrets.

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Speaker 1: I would regret it deeply that I'd screwed up in

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Speaker 1: that way. Secretary Pompeo, it's buck wanted to ask you

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Speaker 1: served in a Rock and Afghanistan. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: of veterans in this audience, a lot of active duty military,

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Speaker 1: and I hear from them all all the frequently about

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Speaker 1: their concerns that we're getting deeper and deeper into the

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Speaker 1: Ukraine fight. Where one, do you think the Abrams tank

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Speaker 1: should be provided? And then where would you draw the

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Speaker 1: line on US support for the fight against Russia. Well

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Speaker 1: too things. I do think that that equipment should be

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Speaker 1: providing if Ukrainians can make use of it and it

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Speaker 1: can help them push back against invasion by Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 1: it's in America's best interest to do so. They haven't

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Speaker 1: asked for To your point, I'm a veteran too. I

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Speaker 1: served as a young soldier and then East German Communist border.

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Speaker 1: I worry about American getting too deeply involved. But the

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Speaker 1: best way to keep American soldiers from having to fight

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Speaker 1: in Europe, or to fight against Russia or China any place,

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Speaker 1: is to make sure that when there's an authoritarian invades

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Speaker 1: a place like Ukraine, and they haven't asked for the

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Speaker 1: eighty second Airborne, they haven't asked Promotorized Raffle Division. All

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Speaker 1: they said is can you send us stuff? We ought

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Speaker 1: to provide them with the stuff that we can that

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Speaker 1: they can use, that they can be trained on, that

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Speaker 1: are actually going to deliver against the mission set. It's

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Speaker 1: the only way to end Putin's invasion of Europe. Secretary

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Speaker 1: Pompeo a lot of talk lately about twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: who's running, what the time frame is to run. If

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Speaker 1: announce and are you exploring for president now? So my

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Speaker 1: wife and I are praying about it, trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out if this is the next place for us to

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Speaker 1: go serve. As for timeline, we kind of think the

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Speaker 1: decide to get in head to Iowa and Hampston's after

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Speaker 1: if not find where it is, will next purfey if

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Speaker 1: not an elected office. So that we're so go about yeah,

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Speaker 1: so so far Donald Trump is in. Does that impact

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Speaker 1: your thinking in any way given that you were a

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State and served at the CIA under him?

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Speaker 1: Or is it not even about who else is running

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Speaker 1: from your determination? Now? It has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: who wealth ratens, mother, President Biden, rins deparment, President Trump

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Speaker 1: or whoever. In the end, you must come to believe

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Speaker 1: two things and it all works as a personal matter,

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Speaker 1: a Mike Pompeo, former CI director of former Secretary of

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Speaker 1: State under Trump, and his book is out today, So

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Speaker 1: our timing here on Clanbuck is always as excellent. Never

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Speaker 1: Given Inch is the book and secretary of Pompeio. I

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Speaker 1: kind of ask you because it's always fun whenever I

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Speaker 1: side of things, to see what the media focus is

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Speaker 1: on right away and they are drilling down into it's

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Speaker 1: all over Twitter. Oh my gosh. Have you seen Mike

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Speaker 1: Pompeo's book, which I guess in a sense this is

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Speaker 1: kind of an unintentional advertisement they're doing. Have you seen

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Speaker 1: his book, Never Given Inch? Because of what he says

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Speaker 1: about the murdered journalist Jamal Kashogee, well, the Secretary, what

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Speaker 1: did you say? And why are they all so upset

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Speaker 1: about it? Oh? I don't know, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: they're so upset about. The Washingtons has had an obsession

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Speaker 1: We also knew that that person's life wasn't more important

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Speaker 1: the partnership with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that was

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Speaker 1: You can see what happens when you flipped the script

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Speaker 1: prosen Biden said, oh, this is a prionation. He immediately

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Speaker 1: of Saudi Arabia and the United States Secretary Pompeio. There's

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Speaker 1: a big debate now still ongoing about where COVID came from.

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Speaker 1: You have worked in the CIA, you certainly served as

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Speaker 1: What's your own opinion about where COVID came from. Was

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Speaker 1: it leaked accidentally from that lab, and then the Chinese

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Speaker 1: So what consequences should there be on China? And what

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Speaker 1: how dare you even raise it as an issue? Well,

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Speaker 1: the second one's easy, and doctor Faucci got this wrong

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Speaker 1: I know that with near certainty that it came from

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Speaker 1: There are lots of pieces to this. The challenge of

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