WEBVTT - 8: One More Try 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:07.320 How did you feel about the style of the group 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:09.880 and how that sort of evolved. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.440 Yeah, so I was I was definitely the outsider of 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:20.439 the Outsiders just because like they called me tiger Beat 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.560 because I was I don't have any edge, right, like 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.600 like Todd Allen and and even Jimmy, you know, like 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.960 they all kind of grew up in a I don't know, 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.040 there were military kids, and they grew up in around 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:34.280 with different culture than I did. 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:38.080 This right here is Jason Dowdy. When Aaron Kane and 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.760 his brother Noel left Sudden Impact, which by then was 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.200 called the Outsiders, Jason is one of the new guys 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.560 who took their place, and for the rest of the group, 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.000 the first order of business was to dirty him up 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:48.360 a little. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:48.880 Yeah. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:50.720 So when I joined the group, they kind of had 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.520 to give me a makeover, you know a little bit. Yeah, 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:57.360 and like what like how oh, like you know, get 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.639 like Jibo jeans and Iceberg and I don't know all 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:01.319 this stuff in the. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:05.360 Time, sure, all giant giant jeans. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.480 Yeah, yeah, I had my jeans that I had at 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.640 the time were more Jimko than Chirpo, you know what 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:12.000 I mean. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.440 Yeah, But what I got there, I got there. 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.760 Yeah, Jason didn't know he'd be a part of the 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.000 version of Sudden Impact that came the closest to fulfilling 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.880 the promise of the Motown Philly Moment, the version that 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.440 finally got a whole song on a movie soundtrack, The 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.160 version that finally appeared in music videos for its own music. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.759 These Outsiders for live videos are on YouTube, by the way, 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.200 And in the one I'm looking at right now, the 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.160 one that you will not believe me when I tell 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.560 you who directed it, Sweet Tiger Beat, Jason is definitely 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.399 all decked out and bad boy tank tops and do 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.360 rags and wide leg jeans. He exhales blunt smoke and 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.880 when you look, you don't even have to look that closely, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.360 you see it. The blunt smoke is cgi. We'll talk 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.280 to Sweet Jason Dowdy Tiger Beat, the new guy in 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.520 Sudden Impact, about his life in the group's final stretch, 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.920 the Outsiders for Life years. He'll take us into the 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.360 inevitable tragic drug chapter of the story. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:07.600 Every group has one. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.680 And since we're taking some big swings lately, if we 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:14.800 are really chiseling out Mount Rushmore of early nineties music 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.040 video special guest performers. I have found the daddy of 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.000 them all. No, I have found the zaddy of them all. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.320 I've reached out to an unforgettable face from a nineteen 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.600 ninety one music video, someone I have always wanted to 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.800 track down, and baby, Baby, you will not believe who 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.440 I have got for you. This is Waiting for Impact, 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:56.400 a Dave Holmes pasion project. By the late nineties, the 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.959 group that had started as Two Special became White Hot Empty, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.600 famous as Sudden Impact, got renamed White Guys, and later 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:04.840 rebranded themselves. 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.000 The Outsiders began to implode. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.280 After being pulled off of Capital and then dropped from 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.440 BIV ten Records. Their third record label, Stone Creek, just 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:17.440 folded entirely, putting them right back to square one. Brothers 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.760 Aaron and Noel Kine left the group to start a 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.280 new one, and their empty seats got taken by two 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.720 young singers, Jimmy Marble and Jason Dowdy. 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.280 How are you good, Dave good good? 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.239 Where are you in well OneD Ontario where we have 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:33.079 free healthcare? 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.400 Oh? Come on, good thinking. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.960 When we talk, Jason Dowdy is freshly vexed and ready 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.360 to talk about his adventure with a group he already 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.760 knew a little bit about. Did you remember having seen 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.040 the Boys to Men Motown, Philly video and the sudden impact? 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.960 Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Okay, I remember. Let's see that 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:57.480 was in ninety I want to say one or two 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.520 somewhere around there house, still in high school when I 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.680 saw that. Yeah, And of course I was like what 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.800 I was like cause, you know, new addition Viv like 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.560 all that. There were my heroes growing up. So yeah, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.200 I was like, what's gonna happen with this? 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.320 What was the Outsiders for life lifestyle? 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:15.200 Like? 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.640 For you, what was a typical day? 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:21.039 Hurry up and wait? 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.960 So it depended on the day, right, Yeah, Like I 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.240 would say, most of my time spent with the Outsiders 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.600 was downtime because we were waiting on this or that 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.760 to happen before we could you know, tour or record 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:35.840 or that type of thing. They put us up in 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.040 a really nice apartment. You know, we were at this 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:43.599 we were definitely vampires, so you know, we were staying 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:44.200 up all night. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.200 I would say Tim probably worked the hardest out of 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:47.560 us all. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.480 Like I would go sing my little bit and then 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.080 I would be, you know, walking the streets with Jimmy 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.440 or ordering Chinese food, or we'd play ping. 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:55.240 Pong or whatever. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.240 Right, Like a lot of a lot of weed being smoked, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.560 a lot of that going on. I wasn't I wasn't 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.080 a weat smoker, but a lot of that happening people 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.240 in and out of the studio all the time. Like 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.040 you know, we'd run into Kenny Loggins and I remember 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.760 Queen Latakifa stopping by at some point. So it's a 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.920 little bit of like surreal, you know what I mean. 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.040 That is the entire tragic drug chapter of the story. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.760 By the way, you're safe now. Like I said, if 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.640 you do some digging on YouTube, you can find some 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.400 of the videos from the early Outsiders for Life era. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.960 There's one called college Degrees spelled with a Z, just 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:30.720 like Outsiders. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.640 Those God, the. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.599 Guys are a little thugged up in this one. They're 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.920 in low riders. They're smoking blunts for Jason and I'm 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.960 just gonna repeat this in case his parents are listening. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.320 The blunt smoke is cgi. This video is a wild ride. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.840 But I was not prepared for what Jason told me 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:51.280 about it. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.000 That one that was a hype Williams one. So first 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.520 of all, we got like the best director. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.200 Wait a minute, Hype Williams directed. 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:58.840 That college degree. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.920 Yeah yeah, wow, yeah, Okay, yeah, I can send over 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:02.600 like a picture. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.280 I think we have a picture of us with him. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.559 Okay, gather round, kids. Hype Williams was the music video 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.800 director of the late nineties. Every hip hop video cliche, 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.920 he did it first, fish eye lenses, hype, artists bathed 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.719 in deep red or vivid blue lighting, hype. All those 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.120 early Missy Elliott and Buster Rhymes videos, all hype. Name 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.400 an iconic nineties hip hop or R and B video, 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.159 and I bet he directed it. No scrubs, getting jiggy 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.160 with it, MO money, more problems, Hype, hype and hype. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.440 It's no exaggeration to say that he single handedly changed 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.919 the visual language of music, video and film. In two thousand, 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.840 he directed videos for jay Z, No Doubt, DMX, and 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:45.080 Outsiders for Life. Jason has a YouTube channel where he 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.280 hosts a bunch of Outsiders for Life videos. There's College 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.760 Degrees directed by Hype Williams. The guys are shooting, Moody 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.240 looks at the camera inside a bowling alley and then 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.680 getting hauled off to a jail cell for reasons that 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.760 are never made clear. There's one for Not Enough, with 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:03.279 the guys in matching black leather outfits. The video features 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.480 each one of the guys rolling around with a model 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:09.000 on a bed with some aggressively shiny satin sheets, and 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.280 the guys do the very two thousand music video thing 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.760 of getting so emotional they have to rip their jacket 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.840 or shirt off and expose their tank top. Not Enough 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.880 has Todd White singing the lyric You're something special girl, 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:21.200 you know your shit is tight? 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:22.640 And then there are. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.280 Two videos for a song called who Are You, the 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.480 original and the Timbaland remix. Both of these songs start 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.320 with a verse from Dave Smith, the Quiet One from 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:46.320 the group Let's take a listen. Okay, you really have 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.559 to watch out for the Quiet Ones. But I listened 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:50.680 to this verse again and something jumps out at me. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.960 Pay attention to these lyrics. You think you're hot shit, 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:54.840 but you ain't nothing. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:55.120 Now. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.360 You went from boys to men, broke to Benjamin's front 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.840 and day by day like we're fucking friend, come up 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:02.840 with something new because you ain't saying nothing. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.880 Hold on, is who are you a diss? Track? And 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.720 if so, who are they dissing? 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.240 January nineteen ninety one, a thirty year old superstar in 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.360 the Christian music world released her first pop single, a 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.920 song whose lyrics are actually about her six week old daughter, Millie. 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:32.880 The artist was Amy Grant and the song was Baby Baby. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.480 It went to number one on the Billboard Hot one 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.160 hundred in April, unseating Wilson Phillips You're in Love because again, 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.560 nineteen ninety one was a great fucking year. 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:42.360 Anyway. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.600 If you know the song, which you do, you also 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.679 know the video. The video was absolutely everywhere you looked 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.679 in nineteen ninety one, seismic in our culture. Karen Kilgareth 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.000 herself describes the video as like if Rachel from Friends 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.240 were a music video. It's Amy Grant doing what we 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.240 can only call avoiding in some outfits right out of 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:06.360 the Elaine Bennis collection, with a guy, a handsome guy, 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:11.800 a strikingly startlingly seen, stealingly handsome guy, a rare male 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.480 video vixen. Largely because of him, the video for Baby 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.720 Baby made people crazy crazy. It was sweet, aspirational, clean 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.960 enough for a Christian music star. Yet because of this guy, 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.080 undeniably sexy, he was so popular he made the rare 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.880 music video move of reprising his role in a sequel, 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.839 the video for Ammy Grant's Good for Me. He was 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.520 one of the faces of nineteen ninety one, but because 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:37.880 it was nineteen ninety one and there was no Internet 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.280 or social media, and I guess he didn't hire a publicist. 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.680 Nobody knew his name. I did a little digging. I 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.600 found him and I talked to him, and his name 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.600 is Jamie Sin. Yes, sir as I live in breath. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.120 I can't believe we found you and it's happening. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:10:00.560 Yeah, I'm pretty in shocked myself. I'm in shock. Thirty 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.160 years is what I'm in shocked at. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.720 Yeah, tell me what you're doing now. You're in Miami Beach. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.560 Well, I'm in Miami Beach and I'm kind of going 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:12.480 back California. In Miami Beach, my son lives here. I'm still, 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:16.280 believe it or not, in the fashion world, modeling at 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:17.360 the age of fifty two. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:18.440 I can see you. I believe it. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:19.719 Thank you so much. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.839 This is a video call. I believe it. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.320 Thank you you guys. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.560 Jamie Stein looks good as hell. He's in kind of 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.959 a salt and pepper silver Fox Daddy moment. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.640 It works. Let's go back. Who was Jamie Stein in 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:33.480 nineteen ninety one? 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.000 Oh, my god, who was Jamie Stein in nineteen ninety one? 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.400 I was. I was just starting in the business of 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:48.360 doing commercials and modeling, just literally fresh into it. I 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.520 must have been twenty four, around twenty four years old. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:56.120 I was living in LA and I was surfing a lot, 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:00.480 and then I got into the fashion world and that 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.880 kind of changed the direction on my life for sure. 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.360 What did you want out of life at twenty four? 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.080 Oh? I mean literally just I wanted to see the 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:13.960 world as I was doing. Even went out before the business. 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.080 I was traveling just to go surf and explore. That's 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.560 really what my life was about. And all I wanted 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:20.720 to do was surf and travel. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.120 You can relate to this, right You moved to Los 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.920 Angeles to surf and then you find yourself swept up 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.599 in the world of high fashion modeling. 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.720 Well, that's Jamie's life. He's modeling. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.400 He's starting to go out on commercial auditions, and at 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.840 that time, with four major networks and just a few 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.320 dozen cable channels, a national commercial could make your career. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.440 The residuals alone could buy you a house, You could 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.000 get discovered and go onto something bigger like Brad Pitt 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.360 and Matt LeBlanc did. Jamie Stein went a different direction. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.720 So you're going out on commercial castings and whatnot. What 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:51.920 kind of stuff would you go out for? 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:59.240 Oh my god, from Coca Cola to car commercials. Back 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.480 then there was even out cigarette commercials. I mean, it 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:06.080 was such a wide variety of music videos, you know, yeah, 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:07.600 there you go, yeah yeah. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.920 So how did the Baby Baby job come about? 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:15.760 Well, they my agency sent me on a casting to 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.120 go see about this video, and I had no idea 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.959 what it was about. And I never heard of I was. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.319 I was always listening to reggae music as I grew up, 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.280 and that was most of the music I listened to. 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.440 Just breaking in to say that reggae absolutely suits Jamie's 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:32.160 personal brand. 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.080 So I wasn't really familiar with Amy Grant at the time, 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.560 and I didn't know how big of the deal she 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.320 was back in that time as well. And I didn't 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.320 know that she was a christ Christian gospel singer. I 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.120 thought she was just a pop singer. So I had 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:50.080 no idea the whole background of this whole situation, you know. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:54.440 So I just went in and I casted for it. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.760 They made me dance around and sing to the song 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.560 that I never heard of before, which was crazy, but 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.920 it was super fun and it felt comfortable and they 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.600 liked me. And then they called me back and I 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.520 met the director and I did some more dancing and 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:16.080 some more singing, lip singing, obviously to her music, and 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.760 uh and there you go. They booked me for it. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.000 You were living in La at the time where we're Yes, yeah, 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.000 I was in La Okay whereabouts. 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.560 I was living at that at that time, on top 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:30.280 of the Panga Canyon. Oh wow, yeah, yeah. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:36.880 Theme themes are emerging here, Jamie stout. Welcome to my world, right, 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:41.199 I love it. Your world is a good place, Jamie steins. 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.480 Panka Canyon, for those who don't know, is just over 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.240 the hill from Malibu, and it is exactly the part 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:47.840 of La you would end up in if you were 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.360 a surfer turned model who listened to a lot of reggae. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.840 It's perfect. Jamie booked the job. The video came out 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:54.760 and you've seen it. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.480 So you know he crushes it. So during during. 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:02.080 Lockdown, we've had a lot of time time to you know, 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.280 to watch things, to binge, watch our thing here. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:05.600 In our home. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.920 My partner and I will just go down late night 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:14.680 YouTube music video rabbit holes, right, and we we got 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:20.720 into the Amygrant music videos recently, and I said out loud, 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:27.600 this is a man who understands the assignment. This guy 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.000 has a job and he's doing the hell out of it. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.320 I appreciate that you're I appreciate that. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:39.240 It's you're you're like you're magnetic, but you're not stealing focus. 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.720 It's like, it is. I hope you're comfortable with me 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:49.680 saying this. It is you're performing a male Tawny Katain situation. Wow, Wow, Wow, 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:54.000 all right, kids, gather around again. Tawny Katain was the 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.200 video vixen of the eighties. She appeared on the cover 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.200 of rats breakthrough album Out of the Cellar, but she's 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.840 known for her performance doing the splits and vaults on 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.520 the hoods of luxury cars in White Snakes Here I 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:09.360 Go Again video. That performance made MTV play that video 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.160 a million times a day, and MTV playing that video 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.520 a million times a day made that song an album 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.440 go multi platinum. You're gonna have to take my word 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.400 for it that when I said he had pulled off 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.760 a rare male Tawny Kataine maneuver. Jamie put his hand 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.960 right on his chest like he was really touched. This 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.640 guy gets it. Okay, yeah, Okay, that landed. Wow good 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:31.520 yeah good. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:31.920 Yeah. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.280 So on set, what kind of direction were you given? 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:40.440 Well, first of all, I have to say DJ Webster, 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.560 who was the director, was just he was crazy but 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.360 so like like he gave me all the energy that 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.240 I needed. I was, you have to you have to 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.760 know that I was really raw, like into this business. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:55.840 So I really didn't know what I was doing at all. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.520 I was just going with how I feel and with 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:03.600 the direction I was And Amy Grant Okay, so I really, 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.560 like I said, I don't really don't know anything about Amy, 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:11.200 And she was so sweet and so understanding and so 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.280 like I had the lip sync to her her song 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.119 and in front of like I don't know, fifty sixties 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.600 people working in front of me. So I was super 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.000 embarrassed in the beginning because I didn't want to embarrass 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.640 her by me like making a fool myself. She said, 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.720 just go with it, just let's have fun. And I 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.720 literally just whatever came on the line, I just did. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.760 And with the direction of DJ and and Amy just 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.520 like leading it was. It just felt it felt really natural. 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:49.160 After the video comes out, it explodes and gets played constantly. 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.600 Oh my god, Oh my god, you have you have 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.720 no idea, you have no idea. It was no, it 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.560 was it was beyond what I'd ever thought I was 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.880 doing at the time. What was going to be the 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.800 direction of my life was going after that, Like it 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:11.480 was literally on I don't know, because MTV back then 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.440 was playing videos and it was my video, the video 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.960 I was in, and the Janet Jackson video at that time, 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.080 and it literally was playing probably ten ten times a 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:26.720 day at least. Yeah, and and averywhere I you know, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.040 a lot of places I went, Like I would see 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.760 it on like a TV inside a restaurant I would see. 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.560 I would hear the music in like target, you know, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.920 I would. It was and this goes on for years, 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:42.600 you know, for years, and every time someone would look 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:46.040 at me or say something to me, or it caught 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.200 me by surprise every single time. And I never ever 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.280 got used to that ever, And it happened a lot. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.119 Yeah, I saw this video a lot that year, and 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:57.960 every time it was on, I would watch it all 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:02.159 the way through. Everybody would Jamie's that magnetic. Amy Grant's 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.920 fans ate the video up. Jamie knew a little about 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.159 Amy Grant, but he didn't get how many fans she 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.320 had or what kind of fans they were. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.679 And I didn't realize she had that many followers and 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:18.600 that many fans. The followers fans, like a crazy, crazy 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:19.399 amount of fans. 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.679 Yeah, well, she had a lot of fans. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.400 But then also that song and that album made her 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.480 cross over to the mainstream pop charts, and then then 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:29.320 it really exploded. 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.920 I didn't realize that's what was going on. And then 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:37.160 it kind of got a little controversial, I guess with oh, explain, Yeah, 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.399 well she was married and I was playing her love interest. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.080 So the Christian gospel fans, some of them, you know, 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.560 were just like, well, what's going on here? You know, 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.560 they actually believed I was her boyfriend on the side. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:50.320 Some people. 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.159 While another guy might have tried to seize that moment 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.639 and capitalize on it, try to spin it into a 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.199 movie career or a pop single of his own, Jamie 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.679 just kind of took it in stride. It raised your 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:04.439 profile through the roof. Did it did it change the 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:05.719 way you saw your future? 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.359 I mean day I saw my future. I saw like 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.639 I see my future day by day, not like long 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:17.639 long term. But it changed it for sure within within 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.840 my within my work, because people started calling for me 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.840 because I want that guy in the in the amy gravity, 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:25.680 who's that guy? Let's get him for this, Let's get 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.399 him for that. So it opened up huge opportunities for me. 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.879 I just went with it, and and from there I 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.120 ended up moving to Europe to Paris, and I stayed 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.439 in Paris for like almost eight years, working working fashion 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.720 in Paris, and I would come back to California and 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.720 do jobs through through my agency's in LA and New York, 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.200 and and I was getting a lot of work because 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:53.920 of that video of the videos, but first basically from 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:55.000 the first one for sure. 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.280 So just as a model, it got. 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:00.640 To yes, yes, okay. But I also think because they 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.479 saw that, they believe that I wasn't just modeling in it. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:08.280 They believed that the emotions and stuff like that and 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.600 in the chemistry, they believe it's real, and so a 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:13.840 lot of those jobs that's what they wanted. And so 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:15.760 they saw that and they're like, oh, let's try this 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.760 guy looks good for what we're doing. So I mean, 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.119 I can't give enough thanks to aiming for all that. 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.680 So a music video, there are no like residuals or 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:28.800 anything like that, Like it's you get your day right 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:29.520 and then it doesn't. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.560 Yeah, I if there was residuals from that, I would 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:37.120 be a different, different category. But yeah, no, no, it's 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:41.400 it's just it's a it's a one time thing, okay, yeah, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:46.480 but what it gave me in the future is priceless. Absolutely. 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:48.800 So he took a big role in a big music 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.520 video that he did extremely well, and he used it 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.000 as a way to do more of what he was 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.800 already doing. He got exactly what he wanted from his 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.840 big break, and what he wanted was what he already had. 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.359 This goes against everything that you're. 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.359