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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was I was definitely the outsider of

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Speaker 2: the Outsiders just because like they called me tiger Beat

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Speaker 2: because I was I don't have any edge, right, like

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Speaker 2: like Todd Allen and and even Jimmy, you know, like

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Speaker 2: they all kind of grew up in a I don't know,

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Speaker 2: there were military kids, and they grew up in around

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Speaker 2: with different culture than I did.

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Speaker 1: This right here is Jason Dowdy. When Aaron Kane and

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Speaker 1: his brother Noel left Sudden Impact, which by then was

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Speaker 1: called the Outsiders, Jason is one of the new guys

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Speaker 1: who took their place, and for the rest of the group,

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Speaker 1: the first order of business was to dirty him up

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So when I joined the group, they kind of had

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Speaker 2: to give me a makeover, you know a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and like what like how oh, like you know, get

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Speaker 2: like Jibo jeans and Iceberg and I don't know all

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Speaker 2: this stuff in the.

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Speaker 4: Time, sure, all giant giant jeans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had my jeans that I had at

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Speaker 2: the time were more Jimko than Chirpo, you know what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But what I got there, I got there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jason didn't know he'd be a part of the

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Speaker 1: version of Sudden Impact that came the closest to fulfilling

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Speaker 1: the promise of the Motown Philly Moment, the version that

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Speaker 1: version that finally appeared in music videos for its own music.

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Speaker 1: These Outsiders for live videos are on YouTube, by the way,

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Speaker 1: And in the one I'm looking at right now, the

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Speaker 1: you who directed it, Sweet Tiger Beat, Jason is definitely

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Speaker 1: all decked out and bad boy tank tops and do

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Speaker 1: rags and wide leg jeans. He exhales blunt smoke and

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Speaker 1: when you look, you don't even have to look that closely,

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Speaker 1: you see it. The blunt smoke is cgi. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to Sweet Jason Dowdy Tiger Beat, the new guy in

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Speaker 1: Sudden Impact, about his life in the group's final stretch,

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Speaker 1: the Outsiders for Life years. He'll take us into the

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Speaker 1: inevitable tragic drug chapter of the story.

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Speaker 4: Every group has one.

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Speaker 1: And since we're taking some big swings lately, if we

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Speaker 1: are really chiseling out Mount Rushmore of early nineties music

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Speaker 1: video special guest performers. I have found the daddy of

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Speaker 1: them all. No, I have found the zaddy of them all.

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Speaker 1: I've reached out to an unforgettable face from a nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety one music video, someone I have always wanted to

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Speaker 1: track down, and baby, Baby, you will not believe who

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Speaker 1: I have got for you. This is Waiting for Impact,

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Speaker 1: a Dave Holmes pasion project. By the late nineties, the

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Speaker 1: famous as Sudden Impact, got renamed White Guys, and later

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Speaker 4: The Outsiders began to implode.

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Speaker 1: After being pulled off of Capital and then dropped from

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Speaker 1: BIV ten Records. Their third record label, Stone Creek, just

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Speaker 1: folded entirely, putting them right back to square one. Brothers

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Speaker 1: Aaron and Noel Kine left the group to start a

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Speaker 1: new one, and their empty seats got taken by two

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Speaker 4: How are you good, Dave good good?

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Speaker 5: Where are you in well OneD Ontario where we have

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Speaker 5: free healthcare?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Come on, good thinking.

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Speaker 1: When we talk, Jason Dowdy is freshly vexed and ready

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Speaker 1: to talk about his adventure with a group he already

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Speaker 1: the Boys to Men Motown, Philly video and the sudden impact?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Okay, I remember. Let's see that

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Speaker 2: I was like, what's gonna happen with this?

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Speaker 4: What was the Outsiders for life lifestyle?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: For you, what was a typical day?

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Speaker 5: Hurry up and wait?

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Speaker 2: So it depended on the day, right, Yeah, Like I

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Speaker 2: we were definitely vampires, so you know, we were staying

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Speaker 2: Like I would go sing my little bit and then

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Speaker 2: I would be, you know, walking the streets with Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Right, Like a lot of a lot of weed being smoked,

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Speaker 2: a lot of that going on. I wasn't I wasn't

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Speaker 1: That is the entire tragic drug chapter of the story.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you're safe now. Like I said, if

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Speaker 1: of the videos from the early Outsiders for Life era.

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Speaker 1: There's one called college Degrees spelled with a Z, just

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Speaker 3: Those God, the.

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Speaker 1: Guys are a little thugged up in this one. They're

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Speaker 1: in low riders. They're smoking blunts for Jason and I'm

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Speaker 1: The blunt smoke is cgi. This video is a wild ride.

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Speaker 1: But I was not prepared for what Jason told me

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Speaker 2: That one that was a hype Williams one. So first

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Speaker 4: Wait a minute, Hype Williams directed.

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Speaker 5: That college degree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, wow, yeah, Okay, yeah, I can send over

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Speaker 5: I think we have a picture of us with him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, gather round, kids. Hype Williams was the music video

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Speaker 1: director of the late nineties. Every hip hop video cliche,

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Speaker 1: and I bet he directed it. No scrubs, getting jiggy

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Speaker 1: It's no exaggeration to say that he single handedly changed

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Speaker 1: he directed videos for jay Z, No Doubt, DMX, and

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Speaker 1: hosts a bunch of Outsiders for Life videos. There's College

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Speaker 1: Degrees directed by Hype Williams. The guys are shooting, Moody

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Speaker 1: has Todd White singing the lyric You're something special girl,

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Speaker 4: And then there are.

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Speaker 1: Two videos for a song called who Are You, the

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Speaker 1: original and the Timbaland remix. Both of these songs start

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Speaker 1: with a verse from Dave Smith, the Quiet One from

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Speaker 1: the group Let's take a listen. Okay, you really have

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Speaker 1: to watch out for the Quiet Ones. But I listened

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Speaker 1: Pay attention to these lyrics. You think you're hot shit,

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: You went from boys to men, broke to Benjamin's front

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Speaker 1: and day by day like we're fucking friend, come up

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Speaker 4: Hold on, is who are you a diss? Track? And

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Speaker 1: January nineteen ninety one, a thirty year old superstar in

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Speaker 1: The artist was Amy Grant and the song was Baby Baby.

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one was a great fucking year.

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Speaker 4: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: If you know the song, which you do, you also

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Speaker 1: Baby made people crazy crazy. It was sweet, aspirational, clean

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Speaker 1: Nobody knew his name. I did a little digging. I

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Speaker 1: is Jamie Sin. Yes, sir as I live in breath.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe we found you and it's happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty in shocked myself. I'm in shock. Thirty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, tell me what you're doing now. You're in Miami Beach.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm in Miami Beach and I'm kind of going

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Speaker 4: I can see you. I believe it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: This is a video call. I believe it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you you guys.

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Speaker 1: Jamie Stein looks good as hell. He's in kind of

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Speaker 1: a salt and pepper silver Fox Daddy moment.

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Speaker 4: It works. Let's go back. Who was Jamie Stein in

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety one?

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Speaker 3: Oh, my god, who was Jamie Stein in nineteen ninety one?

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Speaker 3: I was. I was just starting in the business of

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Speaker 4: What did you want out of life at twenty four?

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Speaker 4: Theme themes are emerging here, Jamie stout. Welcome to my world, right,

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Speaker 1: It's perfect. Jamie booked the job. The video came out

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Speaker 1: It's you're you're like you're magnetic, but you're not stealing focus.

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Speaker 1: It's like, it is. I hope you're comfortable with me

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I'm very I'm very happy.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I appreciate it truly.

439
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna You've made me want to learn to surf.

440
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: See, that's all. That's all I want to do. That's

441
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 3: all I want to do, inspire people to get in

442
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: the water and enjoy the water.

443
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: Just as we were saying goodbye, Jamie remembered a message

444
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: he had just gotten on his Instagram. And it's too

445
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: good not to play for you.

446
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 3: I want to share one thing with you guys really quick,

447
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 3: because I thought this was really special. If someone sent

448
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: me this message on Instagram literally two days ago. Do

449
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 3: you mind if I share it with you guys?

450
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: Please?

451
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 3: Okay, so let me just put my glasses on because

452
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 3: I'm flying without him, That's all right, Okay. This is

453
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 3: from Lisa twenty five years ago. My husband and I,

454
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 3: being nine months pregnant and overdue, went on a dancing

455
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: date to possibly get things moving. As luck would have it,

456
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 3: the DJ saw my huge belly on the dance floor

457
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 3: and played Baby Baby and made me feel like a

458
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 3: star out there. Not only did I love the song

459
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 3: and the artists, but I thought you were perfect in

460
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: the role. So now I have an amazingly gifted and

461
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 3: gorgeous twenty five year old son named Jamie. Can you

462
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 3: believe that? It's unbelievable?

463
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 4: How often does that kind of thing happen?

464
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: It happens quite a bit, honestly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

465
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: I mean, it makes me feel really good. You know,

466
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: if I get if I'm down one day, I'll look

467
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 3: at one of these texts, these messages, I'm like, wow,

468
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: that's pretty amazing. So yeah, it makes me happy.

469
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: Jamie Stein has the life he wants. He has a

470
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: chill attitude, and there's at least one child out in

471
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: the world named after him. If he's not alongside such

472
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: an impact in the music video co Star Hall of Fame,

473
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: I don't know who is. Now, feel excuse me, I

474
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: need to watch Baby Baby five more times. So there

475
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: is a thing that people do in conversation that really

476
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: jumps out at me and it's starting a sentence with

477
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: the word so. I find myself doing it a lot

478
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: in questions. I'm not sure what it's all about. I

479
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: think it's to reassure the person I'm talking to that

480
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: I've done my research, So tell me about that BBD

481
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: tour jacket.

482
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 4: So what was the super Bowl halftime show?

483
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: Like?

484
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: Etc.

485
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: But often I ask a question and then the answer

486
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: begins with the words so, I've thought a lot about

487
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: what that so signifies, because, as you probably know by now,

488
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: I think about a lot of things that can't possibly

489
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: benefit me financially. I think what it says is, Okay,

490
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: here it goes, I've anticipated your question, and you're going

491
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: to get a full and satisfying answer. Jason goes a

492
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: step further. I ask a question and he begins his answer, yeah,

493
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: even if it isn't a yes or no question.

494
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then sometimes so it's next level.

495
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: It's Jason saying, not only have I anticipated this question,

496
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: I've answered it in my head a few times already.

497
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: To me, it says, Jason has been ready to talk

498
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: about this stuff for a long time. He's just been

499
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: waiting for someone to ask, how does.

500
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 4: That feel to you?

501
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: When you've you've made something, and now it's just you're

502
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 1: just waiting for strangers to do something with it.

503
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 3: Yeah.

504
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: Well, at the time, like it was, it was so gradual,

505
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: like our you know, the realization that you're not going

506
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: to get released.

507
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: Once again, the three remaining guys of Sudden Impact, who

508
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: are now recording as Outsiders for Life with Jimmy Marble

509
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: and Jason Dowdy, are recording for a hot record label,

510
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: this time Blackground Records, the label launched by Aliah's uncle

511
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: Barry Hankerson, and once again, the finished product never sees

512
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: the light of day.

513
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: There's probably one moment where, you know, I think all

514
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: of our hearts sank a little bit when we were

515
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: promoting not Enough, So we got a lot of radio play.

516
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: It was trending up. We were on tour like it

517
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: was around spring break time. I want to say, I

518
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: can't remember if it was ninety nine or two thousand,

519
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: I cannot remember.

520
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 5: Somewhere in that time.

521
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: I remember it was spring break time because we were

522
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: in Florida and we were, you know, opening for our idols,

523
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: you know, like Loud Cruise and Pink and Shaggy, and

524
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: we're starting to get some attention, We're starting to gain

525
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: some momentum, doing interviews all of that, and then I

526
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: guess the single lost momentum and they just pulled the

527
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: plug on the tour, so we're off the tour bus

528
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: and all that, and I think that was kind of

529
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: the moment where like, and you know that boy bands

530
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: are about to be over, you know, the kind of

531
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: run their course. By the time, I think this was

532
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: in two thousand, so he kind of knew that they

533
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: were running their course. And that's probably the moment where

534
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I don't think this.

535
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 5: May not happen.

536
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: With the single sputtering out, Blackground pulled the plug on

537
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: the album, an album that was already made, finished, had

538
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: a cover and everything. They did get one song, a

539
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: remix of hell Yeah on the soundtrack of the DMX

540
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: Steven Sigall movie Exit Wounds, But as for a full album, again,

541
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: the guys have poured their hearts into a project that

542
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: sits in a vault at a record company. Why record

543
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: something and then never give it an opportunity to earn

544
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: a single dollar back?

545
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: I think that's just I think that's just part of

546
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: the business at the time. There, I mean, there are

547
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: so many boy bands and like girl groups from that

548
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: time that probably got left on the cutting room floor,

549
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

550
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 5: Like, I bet there are.

551
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: Thousands of stories like mine out there, and I think

552
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: it was just the way they did business like they

553
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: would it was worth the investment to see if it

554
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: would happen to get like like, it's kind of like

555
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: a gold rush, right instinct. You know, Backstreet Boys are popular.

556
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: Everybody's like, let's make the next one. When they all

557
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: rushed to it and they all throw money at it,

558
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: and then you know, whoever catches on, great, But if

559
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: they don't catch on, it was worth the investment to

560
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: seek to get part of that part of that market.

561
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: To your point about boy bands that that don't take off,

562
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: Get this, Okay, I'm going to tell you a story.

563
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: This would have to have been. In two thousand, I

564
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: hosted the get this you're sitting down, this is good.

565
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: I hosted the press conference the unveiling of the Backstreet

566
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: Boys Burger King Kids Club action figures.

567
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah.

568
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: They flew me down to Orlando, Florida to like to

569
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: some theme park or something, and the Backstreet Boys were

570
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: there and they were unveiling their kids Club, Action figures

571
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: and so and so that's that was going on there,

572
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: which was of course wild. And the night that I

573
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: spent in Orlando, we ended up going to some club

574
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: and the club was literally full. Like everyone that I

575
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: met was like in a boy band or a girl group.

576
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: So it was like they would introduce themselves by name

577
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: and then.

578
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 4: Name of group.

579
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: Oh wow, as though I knew like these you know,

580
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: second and third tier like groups that Lou Pearlman was,

581
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, was working with, but it was it was insane.

582
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: It would just be like, Hi, I'm Ashley Innocence. Okay, Okay,

583
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. I don't know what

584
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: that means. But there were dozens of them, and it

585
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: was like I am fully in like in like some

586
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: sort of I'm like at Hogwarts for boy bands and

587
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: girl groups, and most of the ones I met nothing happened.

588
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 4: So there you go.

589
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: Well, and I think part of the reason we had

590
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: some success was like there was some integrity to our

591
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: group because we wrote and produced the stuff, and we

592
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: like the contracts that we had to choose from. DreamWorks

593
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: was one of them, and we could have gone that route,

594
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 2: you know, work with David Foster, you know, with that direction.

595
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: But Todd and Alan and Tim really liked the offer

596
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: from Blackground because they were more like our people, you

597
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like they understood the type of

598
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: music we wanted to make. They were working with our

599
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: ye rows, you know, Timberlance from the Missier Votes, from

600
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: that Hampton Roads area, like, you know, it just seemed

601
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: like a better fit. So, like, I think the reason

602
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: we even caught on some was because there was like

603
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: that people can tell genuine from fake pretty easily, right,

604
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: and I think at least people could tell that, you know,

605
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: we wrote the song and it's real and we mean

606
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: the lyrics and all that.

607
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: So in the early nineties, Sudden Impact slash White Guys

608
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: Slashed the Outsiders couldn't get their records released because new

609
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: Kids on the Block were over. In two thousand, Outsiders

610
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: for Life couldn't get their record released because Backstreet Boys

611
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: and in Sync were huge. Sudden Impact got pushed to

612
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: the side because there were no boy bands. Outsiders for

613
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: Life got pushed to the side because there were too

614
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: many boy bands. For Jason, this was a disappointment, but

615
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: he was still new to the game. For the core

616
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: group from Sudden impact. This has to have been devastating.

617
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: If this is two thousand, this is nine years into

618
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: a career where this has been happening over and over

619
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: and over. Did you get a sense for how they

620
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: were feeling.

621
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, so Todd.

622
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: Todd is definitely the most persistent person in the group

623
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: that will do anything to make the dream happen. He

624
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: started the group, it's his dream. He is so good

625
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: at I don't know, like motivating people and getting people

626
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: on board. But his I think his thought process at

627
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: the time was this sucks. What can I do next

628
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: to make it happen? Like, you know, it was more

629
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: like let's do this, let's do that, let's talk to

630
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: these people. He's more in like, let's still make it

631
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: happen mode. So I think you'll have to ask Todd

632
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: what happened after that. But I think for him it

633
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: wasn't quite real yet, and it wasn't real necessarily for

634
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: any of us were But that was kind of a

635
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: moment where I was like, oh, yeah, this could be

636
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: over soon, you know, like where at least that light

637
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: bulb went on, you know, but we weren't ready to

638
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: give up.

639
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 4: Sure, and what does that feel like?

640
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: So joining this group has always felt like it's too

641
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: good to be true anyway, you know what I mean,

642
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: Like I talked in right when everybody did the groundwork,

643
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like everybody had already done

644
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: the groundwork, got the contract and all that, and I'm

645
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: just like singing songs that other people are writing. Like

646
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: so for me it wasn't as bad. I was like,

647
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: I can always go back to, you know, performing doing

648
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: what I was doing before. So and you know, it's

649
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: been a dream of mine, but I'm not like, you know,

650
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: there are people who dream and then there's people who

651
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: build and do things about it. When I was that young,

652
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: I was just dreaming, not doing anything about it. So

653
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: I wasn't like invested too heavily. So I probably took

654
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: it better than most of the people, like especially Pod

655
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: and Allen and.

656
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: Day and Jason had a fallback position doing something else

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Speaker 1: that I feel like I'm going to have to explain

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Speaker 1: to young people, like.

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Speaker 2: I moved did a cruise ship contract two thousand and

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Speaker 2: four and moved back to two thousand and five to

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Speaker 2: make one last go of the group, and then in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and six is when I moved away started

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Speaker 2: doing cruise ships again and all of that.

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Speaker 1: All right, kids gather around one more time. People used

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Speaker 1: to go on cruise ships.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's kind of when the realization happened

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Speaker 2: for Todd and for the guys in the group. I

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Speaker 2: think we're all slowly accepting it over time.

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Speaker 1: Now Todd, as I understand it, is still in the business,

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Speaker 1: still like writing songs for country artists.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's still doing that.

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Speaker 2: He's I think he has a You'll have to ask

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Speaker 2: Todd obviously to get the exact thing, but I know

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Speaker 2: he had a last time I spoke to him, he

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Speaker 2: said he had a big meeting in Nashville and he

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Speaker 2: was considering, like there offered him a publishing contract. But

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Speaker 2: you know, he has a family now, he's got a mortgage,

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Speaker 2: and he's got all these responsibilities. So in order to

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Speaker 2: only focus on writing, like we'd have to take drastic cut.

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Speaker 5: And pay and so I think he was weighing those options.

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Speaker 5: You'll have to ask him how it came out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jason's got a good attitude about the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: probably because he remembers why he got involved in the

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Speaker 1: first place. When you were like starting out as a singer.

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Speaker 1: What did what did success in music look like to you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I I didn't really I didn't really think about it

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Speaker 2: that much. I so my very first job, I got

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Speaker 2: it Frontier City in Oklahoma, just singing in some show,

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Speaker 2: earning minimum wage, you know, and I was selling pictures

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Speaker 2: at the front of the park before and after, and

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Speaker 2: like I was thrilled, you know at the time, like I.

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Speaker 5: Can sing for a living.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you know what I mean. Like I had that

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Speaker 2: just attitude or gratitude all the time. So I success

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Speaker 2: to me was just like the fact that I could

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Speaker 2: sing and make a living at it. That was number one.

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Speaker 2: Like in Oklahoma, they don't preach that, like it doesn't

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Speaker 2: happen because there aren't any performing jobs there obviously, right,

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Speaker 2: So you know, if I grew up in La or

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Speaker 2: York or something like that, I'd probably have bigger, bigger dreams.

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Speaker 2: But did that got a job at Busch Gardens. I

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Speaker 2: was like, Wow, even a better job. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: started doing that, and then when this came along, I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh, I didn't even realize this could happen

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Speaker 2: this easily, you know what I mean, Like I was

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Speaker 2: I didn't build it from scratch or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: I just kind of luckily fell into it. So and

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Speaker 2: then I got out a new vision of success with

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Speaker 2: the group. I was like, Wow, we could really make it.

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Speaker 2: We could do this, we could do that. Started to

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Speaker 2: learn producing and songwriting and all that while while we went.

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Speaker 1: And now are you still well nobody's doing cruise ships now,

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Speaker 1: But have you had you How long did you continue

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Speaker 1: singing on cruise ships and stuff?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, until like twenty thirteen, and then I got another

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Speaker 2: regular nine to five job, met my wife, you know,

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Speaker 2: so now we have kids and all that, so just

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Speaker 2: doing that. I still write songs. I still put music

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Speaker 2: out and do some producing and stuff like that, but

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Speaker 2: not like I don't have time to pursue it or

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Speaker 2: anything like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. How many kids?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Oh two? I have two kids? Yeah, three and five.

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Speaker 5: Sophia's five, Kayley's two.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations, Oh thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: And what line of business are you in?

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Speaker 2: I worked for an internet service provider and as a

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Speaker 2: team manager just for people. We basically give a call

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Speaker 2: and say, hey, I see you signed up for our internet.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's get an appointment going that type.

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Speaker 4: Thanks good. It's a happy life.

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Speaker 5: It sounds like, yeah, yeah, it's a happy life most definitely.

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Speaker 4: Are you glad you took the ride?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah it was. I mean I have

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Speaker 2: some of my best stories from there. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if I should share any other I think. I mean, like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, no, not have it involves other people,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, I would say it's definitely worth the ride.

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Speaker 1: Jason Dowdy and Jamie Stein Tiger Beet and the Baby

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Speaker 1: Baby Man, two good guys, two living lessons in gratitude.

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Speaker 4: I check my.

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Speaker 1: Email after I get off the zoom and there's a

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Speaker 1: message from Todd White, the main songwriter for Sudden Impact,

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Speaker 1: the guy all the way to the right in the

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Speaker 1: Motown Philly moment, the driver of the whole project, the

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Speaker 1: guy who was gonna beat up Aaron Kine but started

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Speaker 1: a singing group with him instead. He says he's down

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Speaker 1: to talk and he wants to know if Alan Healy

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Speaker 1: can join the call. I'll talk to two fifths of

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Speaker 1: Sudden Impact at the same time, and maybe they'll give

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Speaker 1: me the dish on who that disc track was about.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out next time. On Waiting for Impact, a

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Speaker 1: Dave Holmes passion project This has been an exactly Right production.

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Speaker 1: Written by me Dave Holmes, produced by Hannah Kyle Crichton, recorded,

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Speaker 1: assembly by Annalise Nelson. Music by Ben Wise, artwork by

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