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Speaker 1: Back in the show. Ryan Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Mike SIMPERVB also Wrestling Observer dot Com. I suppose we
Speaker 1: have to talk about Vince. Vince mcmhann's legal team contends
Speaker 1: that a binding arbitration clause exists in the NDA Janelle
Speaker 1: Grant signed in twenty twenty one. By the way, if
Speaker 1: anybody has any questions about this, send them to uh
Speaker 1: the text message line four two five seven eight zero
Speaker 1: seven five sixty six. That is four two five seven
Speaker 1: eight zero seven five sixty six. I read the entire
Speaker 1: filing yesterday and UH, there's obviously a lot in the
Speaker 1: filing that's not necessarily mentioned this particular story wire you onlinem.
Speaker 1: Although this is the gist of it. McMahon filed a
Speaker 1: motion in the District of Connecticut Tuesday to compel arbitration
Speaker 1: of Grant's lawsuit. This means he is asking the court
Speaker 1: to recognize the arbitration clause and send the matter to
Speaker 1: private arbitration hearings with an independent arbitrator rather than litigation. Typically,
Speaker 1: a party makes this motion but it believes that mere
Speaker 1: mention of the evidence during trial would be highly prejudicial
Speaker 1: and could not be remedied by an instruction to disregard,
Speaker 1: says Trellis Law. So, uh man, these filings, man, these lawyers,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like it's funny, but like this
Speaker 1: is not you know, they don't sit there and say,
Speaker 1: you know, these are the facts as we believe they are.
Speaker 1: They have the most outrageous language in these filings. McMahon's
Speaker 1: team said by publicly filing her salacious false in defamatory complaint,
Speaker 1: plaintiff as brazenly and intentionally violated a binding contract to arbitrate.
Speaker 1: Filing alleges McMahon grant engaged in a consensual relationship and
Speaker 1: references the love letter that she wrote to him in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one love letter end quote as proof of this.
Speaker 1: Contrary to plaintiff's false allegations, plaintiff and defendant engage in
Speaker 1: a consensual relationship during which defendant never coerced plaintiff into
Speaker 1: doing anything, never mistreated her in any way. In fact,
Speaker 1: in a love letter plaintiff wrote to defendant shortly before
Speaker 1: the parties into their relationship, plaintiff described defendant as quote
Speaker 1: my best friend, my love and my everything, praising him
Speaker 1: for being the quote wonderful, tender, vulnerable, heart on your sleeve,
Speaker 1: soul you really are. It is incredulous that plaintiff, a
Speaker 1: then forty two year old woman who claims on her
Speaker 1: resume to have a law degree from Pace University, would
Speaker 1: have written those words to defendant months have withdraw all
Speaker 1: the events in the complaint of alleged abuse, coercion, and
Speaker 1: sex trafficking. They put that in quotation mark sex trafficking
Speaker 1: to place. Several paragraphs in the filing refute claims in
Speaker 1: Grant's lawsuit that she was in financial difficulties or was
Speaker 1: a full time caregiver leading to her relationship with McMahon.
Speaker 1: At the time the parties met in twenty nineteen, plaintiff
Speaker 1: was not dealing with profound grief from her parents death,
Speaker 1: mcmahn's lawyer said, and struggling financially as described in her complaint,
Speaker 1: and she had not been quote devoting years to around
Speaker 1: the clock caregiving to her parents. These statements are falsehoods
Speaker 1: based on a foreclosure action against plaintiff and her parents.
Speaker 1: Plaintiff's father passed away on April eighteen, twenty seventeen, two
Speaker 1: years before plaintiff met defendant, and his marital status was
Speaker 1: recorded as widowed, confirming Plaintiff's mother had passed away earlier.
Speaker 1: Filing also notes Grant was living with her fiance during
Speaker 1: the time of her lif relationship with McMahon, and that
Speaker 1: both parties were aware the other was involved in other
Speaker 1: romantic relationships. Says during the party's consensual relationship, plaintiff and
Speaker 1: defendant knew that the other was not involved was also involved,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry in other romantic relationships. Plaintiff was living in
Speaker 1: Park Tower, a luxury, multi million dollar building in Stamford, Connecticut,
Speaker 1: with her longtime fiancee, Attorney Brian gonn Calvis gon Calvis
Speaker 1: Plaintiff Gonkalvez lived in the same luxury building as defendant,
Speaker 1: four floors below when the parties began their affair in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Plaintiff would often visit defendant at his condominium
Speaker 1: at all hours, including at two thirty a m. To
Speaker 1: pursue their affair, and returned back to her condominium with
Speaker 1: Gonkalve's the same night. Filing noted both parties agreed and
Speaker 1: their relationship in twenty twenty two NDA was drawn up
Speaker 1: and signed. Agreement includes a closet state's disputes would be
Speaker 1: resolved through arbitration. In fact, because the parties wish to
Speaker 1: preserve their confidential and private nature of any disputes them
Speaker 1: the agreement, they specifically provided in the agreement that disputse
Speaker 1: would be resolved through arbitration. And so there's plenty more here,
Speaker 1: but the gist of the story, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people have questions about, you know, what's this, that and
Speaker 1: the other thing. So I think the gist of it
Speaker 1: is Vince's side is claiming that there was no sex trafficking,
Speaker 1: This was a consensual relationship. They have not denied the
Speaker 1: text messages. I mean the text messages are legitimate. I
Speaker 1: mean no one's argued that. Their claim is that, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were legitimate, but it was consensual. And obviously her
Speaker 1: side is saying no, they were not consensual, and I
Speaker 1: was forced into doing all of this. And the other
Speaker 1: big thing is that Janelle Grant's side claims that Vince
Speaker 1: stopped paying her and so she went public. Vince's side
Speaker 1: is claiming, no, she violated the confidentiality agreement and thus
Speaker 1: I stopped paying her. So you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff here. I mean to me, it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: you know, we should be able to find out as
Speaker 1: they go, if they go to discovery, which is questionable, like, well,
Speaker 1: what what's going on here? Like Vince's side claims that
Speaker 1: she was living with her fiance, and her side claims no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: she was going through a rough time and her ex
Speaker 1: boyfriend allowed her to live with him for three years
Speaker 1: or whatever it was as she attempted to get back
Speaker 1: on her feet. So this is kind of like the
Speaker 1: Ronda Rousey Drew Goulac situation. Well what's this guy say?
Speaker 1: And and we don't know, but obviously that would be
Speaker 1: one of the obvious questions. What does he say about this?
Speaker 1: Was was she his fiance at the time or was
Speaker 1: she an ex that he allowed to live there while
Speaker 1: she was getting back on her feet. So like a
Speaker 1: lot of these things here, you know, did she violate
Speaker 1: the confidentiality agree before he stopped paying or not? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we should be able to determine that, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, what happened first? So these are the it
Speaker 1: is a it is a he said she said at
Speaker 1: this point, and and each side is claiming the other
Speaker 1: side is lying, and uh, I guess we have to
Speaker 1: wait to see where it goes from here and and
Speaker 1: what John Loaurnidis's side claims, because obviously John Laurnidis, you
Speaker 1: know his claim is that you know what she is
Speaker 1: saying is true. But I was also forced into this
Speaker 1: by Vince McMahon and we have not seen his side
Speaker 1: of the story yet, so that is coming. I presume
Speaker 1: within the next few weeks. There was a mad deadline.
Speaker 1: So that's the gist of it. Any comments Mike.
Speaker 3: Well, not only his side of the story, but Vince
Speaker 3: McMahon and his legal team has not gone after him
Speaker 3: yet for saying that he's a victim in all this.
Speaker 3: They are attacking now her character in the same way
Speaker 3: that she attacked his with trying to point out things
Speaker 3: about her. Her attorney did go on record as saying
Speaker 3: Vince McMahon has never known a storyline that he doesn't
Speaker 3: twist to fit his own shameful narrative. Her father was
Speaker 3: in home house hospice during his final days, where Janelle
Speaker 3: continued to care for him around the clock. Prior to
Speaker 3: his death, she had been caring for her blind, wheelchair
Speaker 3: bound mother using the grief of someone who has lost
Speaker 3: both of her parents is an all new level of disgusting.
Speaker 3: And then later on, and this was in a statement
Speaker 3: to Post and Russell Namis, she said she was not
Speaker 3: dating at the time. Her ex boyfriend allowed her to
Speaker 3: stay in the apartment as she rebuilt her life and
Speaker 3: resume post taking care of her parents. She had no
Speaker 3: job and no other financial support to lean on, which
Speaker 3: you mentioned as well too. One of the things that
Speaker 3: also Vince McMahon in this response is getting ahead of
Speaker 3: is this does not fall under the Speak Out Act
Speaker 3: and that's why, and that's going to be very important
Speaker 3: here too, Brian, because this confidentiality agreement and whether or
Speaker 3: not he stopped paying her or not, is it going
Speaker 3: to cover her allegations of saying that there was sexual
Speaker 3: assault taking place, And that's going to need to be
Speaker 3: determined here, I think on what direction this goes, as
Speaker 3: well as is there going to be any filing or
Speaker 3: anything that comes federally or state wise out of this
Speaker 3: as well too against McMahon if they're looking into him
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 1: So that is there's more on the front page, and
Speaker 1: in fact, Dave for subscribers wrote an even longer and
Speaker 1: more detailed story on the front page, and uh he'll
Speaker 1: have more in The Observer this coming Friday, but more
Speaker 1: after the break Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike semper viv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: In the show, Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike
Speaker 1: semper vv also of Wrestling Observer dot Com. So I
Speaker 1: should mention, by the way that in the UH, in
Speaker 1: the McMahon filing, what they're what they're attempting to get
Speaker 1: here is obviously all of this taken to arbitration, but
Speaker 1: also the final line in the arbitration clause reads that
Speaker 1: the prevailing party, as determined by the arbitration Tribunal, shall
Speaker 1: be entitled to recover from the non prevailing party all
Speaker 1: of its attorney's fees and costs. So they're trying to
Speaker 1: obviously get this shut down and get all their money back.
Speaker 1: So of course, yeah, we shall see what happens, but
Speaker 1: I mean, I expect it's very likely that this is,
Speaker 1: you know, not going to trial would be my guess.
Speaker 3: They're going to do everything they can to get it
Speaker 3: to settlement. If this fails, then just try to negotiate
Speaker 3: a settlement so things don't go any further than they have,
Speaker 3: you know, if you're Vince McMahon's side. But again, I
Speaker 3: you know, you got a guy who's doesn't have the
Speaker 3: best reputation going into this to begin with, including last
Speaker 3: year or eighteen months ago whatever it is, settling that
Speaker 3: case with Rita Chatterton where he was accused of rape
Speaker 3: after all of these years. So again it's a lot
Speaker 3: of he said, she said, and there's going to probably
Speaker 3: be things that are blown up on both sides, from
Speaker 3: both sides. But yeah, I don't think he wants to
Speaker 3: go and fight this thing tooth and nail all the
Speaker 3: way to the end. But we'll see.
Speaker 1: Also got notes on the Rocks Talent contract with WWE.
Speaker 1: This was the contract that he signed to join the
Speaker 1: TKO board in January, which among things, ended up getting
Speaker 1: him into the WrestleMania main event, and Rand Thurston said
Speaker 1: the contract was published as an exhibit this past Friday
Speaker 1: with WWE's annual report. It allows Johnson to quote higher
Speaker 1: third party service providers in connection with developing concepts, grips, storylines,
Speaker 1: et cetera. With w w's approval, so that would be Gortz,
Speaker 1: Brian Gowertz, who has been the guy who has basically
Speaker 1: been writing for him since the nineties. Part of the process,
Speaker 1: w WE will reimburse Johnson's seven Bucks Entertainment for the
Speaker 1: cost of those service providers. One such person naming the
Speaker 1: contract but their name was redacted, likely was Brian Gortz.
Speaker 1: Neil's worth thirty million dollars in TKO equity quote the
Speaker 1: Johnson Equity Award and uh vests.
Speaker 3: On the schedule through the end of the WWE bottom
Speaker 3: line moving between man to Johnson's. That's what happened here
Speaker 3: with his good friend Nick Cohn that used to hang
Speaker 3: out on you know, on the beaches of Hawaii with him.
Speaker 3: It's a great deal for the Rock. It's an incredible
Speaker 3: deal for the Rock.
Speaker 1: Part of the equity is for Johnson licensing his name, likeness,
Speaker 1: and certain other intellectual property rights to w for use
Speaker 1: in connection with certain categories of licensed products related to
Speaker 1: professional wrestling from up to ten years, subject to certain
Speaker 1: earlier termination rights. So if they make a Rock shirt,
Speaker 1: Rock is actually licensing his license to two WWE to
Speaker 1: yep the IP which includes the Rock and nearly all
Speaker 1: of his famous catchphrases cannot be used on things like
Speaker 1: political ads, alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, porn, or pop up ads.
Speaker 3: They're very annoying.
Speaker 1: Johnson is very gives pop up ads without his approval.
Speaker 1: At the end of twenty twenty three, he got nearly
Speaker 1: four hundred niney one thousand for royalties, will continue to
Speaker 1: receive yearly royalties for the sale of products with the
Speaker 1: aforementioned ip. By the way, that's he made a half
Speaker 1: million dollars during a period where he wasn't even there
Speaker 1: wasn't even there. He made like one appearance on SmackDown
Speaker 1: and sold half million dollars worth of merchants such so, man, where.
Speaker 3: Do gas station sexual enhancement pills come down on? With
Speaker 3: all of this, can you can he still do that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would presume he would need approval.
Speaker 1: So essentially he got paid basically thirty million dollars for
Speaker 1: that WrestleMania run, and I don't even know if he's
Speaker 1: got like another contract if they paid him outside of
Speaker 1: that as well.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think he'll be okay.
Speaker 1: I mean he's all right. He is definitely doing all right.
Speaker 3: That's the Johnson era. That's that's what you got there.
Speaker 1: So we got Dynamite coming up tonight, and we finally
Speaker 1: have matches. He's were announced yesterday. We got John Moxley
Speaker 1: Powerhouse Hobbs IWGP World Heavyweight title, Swerve Strickland versus Kyle
Speaker 1: Fletcher in a world title eliminator match.
Speaker 3: Let's call it a non title matching geeks.
Speaker 1: I mean the bigger issue is didn't Kyle Fletcher get
Speaker 1: beat on Saturday? Now he's in a world or whatever.
Speaker 1: And then Anna Jay versus Mina Shikawa we will hear
Speaker 1: from Chris Jericho.
Speaker 3: I bet you that gets one of the higher segments
Speaker 3: on the show. I'm willing to bet that for some
Speaker 3: reason that bucks the trend of women's wrestling not getting
Speaker 3: as good a ratings as some of the men's stuff does.
Speaker 3: I bet you on that one. I bet you that
Speaker 3: one's up.
Speaker 1: Then we've got Chuck Taylor must choose between Orange Cassidy
Speaker 1: or Trent.
Speaker 3: What'll come on, Jesus.
Speaker 1: I'll get back to that in a minute. And Willow
Speaker 1: Nightingale has her TBS championship.
Speaker 3: I hope they do. What's that get make? Maybe one
Speaker 3: of your daughters has got it. Remember that thing you
Speaker 3: used to like it was like origami or whatever you
Speaker 3: used to like, open it up and go different, say
Speaker 3: day yeah, Like is that how they're going to decide this? Like,
Speaker 3: you know, whose friend are you going to be?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I gotta do this first, and whatever happens,
Speaker 3: he can pluck a flower, will it come up with
Speaker 3: orange or we'll get this is dumb.
Speaker 1: All I know is this?
Speaker 3: You know what's the truth too? You're about to sneeze.
Speaker 1: I'm about to sneeze. Mm hmm yeah.
Speaker 3: Facts. So uh I like it happier when they didn't
Speaker 3: have a card? Are you better know?
Speaker 1: Well? I mean I was not happier when they didn't
Speaker 1: have a card. Nor was this person here, by the way,
Speaker 1: who who messaged me on Twitter? They said, quick note
Speaker 1: regarding your comments this week on Observer Live about Dynamite
Speaker 1: ticket sales for Jacksonville. I can speak for myself and
Speaker 1: many of my friends. We were all totally open to
Speaker 1: buying tickets even though Dynamite was here just a few
Speaker 1: months ago. Biggest reason we won't be attending is the
Speaker 1: fact that nothing was announced in advance. Promotional materials leading
Speaker 1: up to the event featured Osprey Ocotta, Mercedes, the Young Bucks, Danielson.
Speaker 1: If there was any assurance that they'd actually be there,
Speaker 1: I would be running to buy a ticket. Nothing announced,
Speaker 1: I'll be watching from home. Can also say I'd be
Speaker 1: really upset if I purchaed a ticket based on the
Speaker 1: marketing and none of the talent listed above appeared on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: You didn't want to see Daddy Magick against Evil Luno.
Speaker 3: I guess that's what he's saying right there. Give me
Speaker 3: some stars, give me some things that are going to
Speaker 3: be happening around this joint. And by the way, I
Speaker 3: apparently swear Strickland was on the Jacksonville, one of the
Speaker 3: TV stations there. So that's a good thing getting your
Speaker 3: people out to do media, especially you new champion. Try
Speaker 3: to get him wherever you can.
Speaker 1: Now, I gotta ask a question for all of the
Speaker 1: hardcore aw fans of which I am, which is why
Speaker 1: this is actually so astonishing to me.
Speaker 3: So it's a rhetorical question, I know.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the best friends have been together since the
Speaker 1: day this company started day one. Okay. So then they
Speaker 1: did that match, you know, and and Trent got beaten,
Speaker 1: and then he turned on Orange Okay, and Chuck Taylor
Speaker 1: just kind of stood there. Okay, yes he did, okay,
Speaker 1: and then confused. And then there was the Dynamite Show
Speaker 1: and they said they were going to talk to Orange
Speaker 1: Cassidy about this, and they said, no, stually, he'll speak
Speaker 1: on rampage. Okay. Now, to be fair, I missed that rampage,
Speaker 1: but also so did everybody else, because it did you know,
Speaker 1: under three hundred thousand viewers. Something happened on that show.
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you. And then now it's, uh, Chuck
Speaker 1: has to choose between them. I feel like I've missed
Speaker 1: months of storylines. Can somebody explain this to me? Lenny, somebody,
Speaker 1: what if I missed?
Speaker 3: What did Orange do?
Speaker 1: If he's I don't have any idea?
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he have no idea, Orange is probably a
Speaker 3: horrible persone. Apparently, what's that dumb? I just have an
Speaker 3: answer for you.
Speaker 1: Okay. Oh you don't have an answer. Oh you do
Speaker 1: have an answer?
Speaker 3: Yeah I do, I got it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 11: So I believe Orange was getting jumped postmatch and Trent
Speaker 11: was going to absolutely murder him with a I think
Speaker 11: a chair. Chuck comes in saves Orange, and that caused
Speaker 11: Trent to be like who are you with me or him?
Speaker 11: I think that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Okay, but he saved Orange, Okay, but between them and
Speaker 1: him choosing tonight, I mean, was there like did Tony
Speaker 1: in storyline? Did Tony Khan go Okay, Trent, you must
Speaker 1: choose on Wednesday?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Did I miss a segment where they announced it on Wednesday?
Speaker 1: Did someone do an interview? Was there a promo? Was
Speaker 1: there anything to connect these things together?
Speaker 7: Or no?
Speaker 11: I want to say, after Chuck saved Orange, preventing him
Speaker 11: from getting killed by Trent, Trent like as he's back
Speaker 11: pedaling up the ramp threatened Chunk and Chuck and said,
Speaker 11: you're making a decision next week.
Speaker 1: Okay, So he said this backing up the ramp. Yep,
Speaker 1: So I didn't Okay, No, not Chunk. That's terrible. That's
Speaker 1: that's what WW is doing now. Anyway, it's a dumb idea.
Speaker 3: And I just I don't know Orange Cassidy, I guess
Speaker 3: doesn't really need to be in a group. You can
Speaker 3: use him him like you do Darby Allen and people
Speaker 3: will respond to it. You know, our Trent and Chuck
Speaker 3: better together. Well, you're trying to re establish your tag
Speaker 3: teams at least I would hope you're trying to do that.
Speaker 3: So just get it out of the way, have them
Speaker 3: both beat them up tonight, and be done with this
Speaker 3: whole stupid best friend's thing until a bunch of shows
Speaker 3: later where we have our our happy, our happy moment again,
Speaker 3: where ex caliber can say, give the people what they
Speaker 3: want and they can all hug, and people can all go,
Speaker 3: oh man, what a great story that was.
Speaker 1: And I think they're all gonna hug to night. Someone's
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Speaker 1: AGIN the show Brian Albarez here, Wrestling Observer Live, Mick sempervv.
Speaker 1: Also Wrestling Observer dot com. Well, spring Breaking is over.
Speaker 1: We have we have week two next week. Well, the
Speaker 1: first night is spring Breaking. The next week's show has
Speaker 1: Obafemi against Ivar for the NXT North American title, Nathan
Speaker 1: Fraser Naxian versus Aop for the tag team titles, Natty
Speaker 1: versus Lola Ice in NXT Underground which actually expected to
Speaker 1: be really good, and the corner people are Carmen Petrovitch
Speaker 1: and Shana Basler for Lola Ice, we used to team
Speaker 1: with Nanny. That's the storyline. Theahal versus j C. Jane
Speaker 1: and Uh, I'm trying to pronounce his name, Tyreek Egway
Speaker 1: and Tyson DuPont.
Speaker 3: I have to see the names here.
Speaker 1: Did you did you watch the show last night, most
Speaker 1: of it? Yeah, okay, this Tyson and Tyreek I believe
Speaker 1: his name. There was a video package because they're coming
Speaker 1: next week. We have never seen them before ever, and
Speaker 1: they do this video package. At one point they each
Speaker 1: very quickly say their name. I had absolutely no idea
Speaker 1: what their names were. And at no point anywhere ever,
Speaker 1: did they put a graphic on the screen with their
Speaker 1: names or I don't know if they have a team name.
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no idea. Why is this so hard
Speaker 1: for every company? I watch every company, and there's so
Speaker 1: much simple common sense stuff that just doesn't happen, and
Speaker 1: I don't get it. So anyway, their debuting next week,
Speaker 1: whatever their name is are, whatever their team name is called,
Speaker 1: we will see them next week, hopefully with a graphic. Now,
Speaker 1: with that said, I did like the show last night,
Speaker 1: particularly the main event. I know you will find this
Speaker 1: very difficult to believe, but Ilia Dragonov and Trick Williams
Speaker 1: was awesome. They are incapable of having a bad match
Speaker 1: because Ilia Dragonov is absolutely incredible, and Trick Williams can
Speaker 1: and will go in there and do an Ilia Dragonov match.
Speaker 1: This is not ily A Dragonov working a match, a
Speaker 1: Trick Williams match. This is I'm going to kill you
Speaker 1: and in response, I want you to try to kill me.
Speaker 1: And it was just absolutely great. Place was going nuts.
Speaker 1: Whooped that trick chance. I mean, it was awesome. And
Speaker 1: then finally at the end they see When I saw this,
Speaker 1: I immediately thought, Okay, they just stole a spot from
Speaker 1: Danielson and Osprey, which I have no problem with, by
Speaker 1: the way, because I watched that match. But they each
Speaker 1: you know, they did a double down. They both crawled
Speaker 1: to the corner. They looked across at each other. Each
Speaker 1: of them has a move where you run at each other,
Speaker 1: and so it was like the Old West duel.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: In the Danielson match, it was will was going to
Speaker 1: go for the hidden blade, Danielson was going to go
Speaker 1: for the flying knee, and I think Danielson hit it
Speaker 1: first on that one could be wrong, but anyway, they
Speaker 1: both race at each other and the trick knee wins
Speaker 1: out and my god, when he hit that trick knee,
Speaker 1: they went nuts and he made the cover and he
Speaker 1: got the pin and this place went so nuts, like
Speaker 1: the cameras are shaking like and not you know, a
Speaker 1: guy going like this, like in WWE, like it's a
Speaker 1: hardcam shaking because people are stomping their feet and going
Speaker 1: so absolutely crazy. And then Eli gives him the title,
Speaker 1: gives him a massive hug, Leaves gives him his moment,
Speaker 1: and I mean, must we do it again? Why in
Speaker 1: God's name did this not happen? It's standing deliver because
Speaker 1: you know what, Mike Hey, booking a side, Okay, booking
Speaker 1: a side, Yes, sir, look at the reaction they got.
Speaker 1: I know from how many people fit in that building?
Speaker 1: I really don't know it eight fifteen hundred. It's only
Speaker 1: on three sides, right, I mean I estimate four hundred.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe someone will tell me more.
Speaker 3: But and there's nobody on the hard side of the camera.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if you had four hundred, if you
Speaker 1: even if you had a thousand people in that building, okay,
Speaker 1: five hundred, all right, it's it sounded like a good
Speaker 1: ten thousand. You realize it's standing the liver and XT
Speaker 1: stand in the liver. They drew fourteen thousand, five hundred
Speaker 1: and seven fans. Can you imagine what the action would
Speaker 1: have been had Trick Williams won that title instead of
Speaker 1: instead of in front of four hundred fans instead of
Speaker 1: in front of fourteen thousand, five hundred and seven total
Speaker 1: maniacs on WrestleMania weekend. It would have been an all timer,
Speaker 1: but instead they did Trick and Mellow in a straight
Speaker 1: match Carmelo versus a babyface murderer, and then a mere
Speaker 1: three weeks later they give Trick the title. Anyway, in
Speaker 1: front of four hundred people, I was just like, God,
Speaker 1: this is another one. Why is this so hard? Why
Speaker 1: is this so hard? Anybody?
Speaker 3: Well, now, I got a question for you. Got a
Speaker 3: difficult decision, got a hard decision for you to make. HELI,
Speaker 3: you're dragging off main roster. Nex.
Speaker 1: We already know he's going to the main roster, he
Speaker 1: declared for the draft.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: I mean they're not gonna go heading to NXT. NXT
Speaker 1: is Ilia Dragonov.
Speaker 3: Look, Apollo Cruise and uh Odyssey Jones are a part
Speaker 3: of this draft. We could hear that. I mean, technically,
Speaker 3: are they part of the main roster? I guess that
Speaker 3: they are. But Ilia Dragonov, I mean, with this draft,
Speaker 3: can't you still be you know, end up in NXT.
Speaker 1: You're not being drafted from NXT to NXT it's not happening. Now,
Speaker 1: I got a list.
Speaker 3: Does that mean Roxanne is up to hold on?
Speaker 1: I got a list? Okay, because uh, this is my
Speaker 1: this is this is not an official list. These are
Speaker 1: my predictions based on watching the show.
Speaker 3: So this is some s you just made up.
Speaker 1: I didn't make it up. But this is why I
Speaker 1: think is gonna happen. But I don't know, so I
Speaker 1: guess you could say I made it up. Okay, based
Speaker 1: on this show.
Speaker 3: Your NFL draft coverage right here, brother.
Speaker 1: You know what you you mock, but get back to
Speaker 1: me after the draft. Okay, Roxanne retained the title over
Speaker 1: Tatum and okay, I presume Roxana sting. I don't have
Speaker 1: any idea why this is another one? Why is this
Speaker 1: so hard? Do you realize half of her gimmick is
Speaker 1: that she is like a twenty one year old prodigy
Speaker 1: or whatever at this point by the time you call
Speaker 1: her up, it's like Bailey was like the hero to
Speaker 1: Little Girls in NXT and by the time they brought
Speaker 1: her up, she was like thirty. So how long are
Speaker 1: you gonna wait? And you know what, this is not
Speaker 1: just an NXT thing? Where in God's name is Nick Wayne?
Speaker 1: I know, they hired him at sixteen sixteen, so then
Speaker 1: on his eighteenth birthday he would debut as an eighteen
Speaker 1: year old prodigy. And where are we? He has had
Speaker 1: what four matches in aw all year. His mother does
Speaker 1: more talking than he does on the mic. He's literally
Speaker 1: a few months away from now being nineteen, not even
Speaker 1: eighteen anymore. I mean, what is the point of hiring
Speaker 1: young people and then not doing anything with them until
Speaker 1: they're old? So anyway, I think she's staying because she's
Speaker 1: the champion.
Speaker 3: To be fair, he's wrestling crash matches in Tijuana now.
Speaker 3: Actually he's getting pushed.
Speaker 1: He's getting pushed the hardest, not in a w Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where they are taking advantage of the eighteen year
Speaker 1: old prodigy is everywhere except aw So anyway, uh.
Speaker 3: To state in GCW him and Jordan Oliver.
Speaker 1: I think Roxanne is staying. I believe Roxanne is staying.
Speaker 3: That's a sin.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now we add fallon Henley and Jada Parker. Okay,
Speaker 1: Jada Parker of out the Mud who, by the way,
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at all of the other
Speaker 1: green women, I'm talking the green ones not you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's a NXT. It's like they got people that
Speaker 1: are really good, and they got people that are green,
Speaker 1: and I would not consider Fallon Henny one of the
Speaker 1: green women. But Jada definitely is. She's had what three
Speaker 1: matches whatever.
Speaker 3: So looks great.
Speaker 1: She won clean Pinner, Clean in the middle. She had
Speaker 1: a running hip attack in pin Fallon and the moment
Speaker 1: I saw that Valon Henley's getting drafted, yep, yep. Oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you were making fun of me earlier. I
Speaker 1: thought you were making NFL draft jokes earlier. Now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm right, uh.
Speaker 3: Oh, I got jokes, and I'm not saying Look, you're
Speaker 3: talking about obvious things here. You banged your hand on
Speaker 3: the table and talked about obvious things. You brought up
Speaker 3: Tiffany Stratton probably before in theory she was completely done
Speaker 3: with NXT. The character is there. How she can put
Speaker 3: matches together, Eh, we'll see. But then again she can
Speaker 3: work with people on the main roster. Things have worked
Speaker 3: out well so far. But that's why, like Roxanne and Fallon,
Speaker 3: I don't know what else you could possibly do with
Speaker 3: them in NXT. It's time for them to probably come
Speaker 3: up because with again, who is Fallon going to work
Speaker 3: with there on a consistent basis. That's gonna make her better.
Speaker 3: Like the gimmick is down. The whole thing is kind
Speaker 3: of down. She's got to look and now she has
Speaker 3: people on the main roster in Tiffany Stratton, you can
Speaker 3: kind of bump up again, so she should be up
Speaker 3: on the MA.
Speaker 1: Yes, Valin is going up, I believe. And then we
Speaker 1: had another soul Ruka Blair dabnport match, which, by the way, God,
Speaker 1: it was horrible. Let me ask another question. You might
Speaker 1: have heard this one before. Why is this so hard?
Speaker 1: You're you're literally in Florida. You've advertised a beach brawl.
Speaker 1: Why can't we brawl on the actual beach instead? They
Speaker 1: surrounded the ring. I swear to God, I'm making this up.
Speaker 1: Beach balls. Okay, you know what a beach ball is, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really soft, full of air. And those those inflatable
Speaker 1: doughnuts that you've float in filled with.
Speaker 3: Air US weapon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then those kickpads, which you know those are
Speaker 1: also somehow full of air. They're designed to float. They're
Speaker 1: so light. They are fricking hitting each other with this
Speaker 1: stuff and selling it. And I'm dying and The only
Speaker 1: good thing in the match was Sola the ended her
Speaker 1: soul Snatcher or whatever off the ropes instead of the corners.
Speaker 1: She did off the middle rope. It looked even more awesome.
Speaker 1: And and she pinned Blair clean in the middle.
Speaker 3: Now, for so long I thought they were going to
Speaker 3: hit the rope, so that is an amazing move.
Speaker 1: I will say this in storyline, okay. And by the way, yeah,
Speaker 1: they got bumped into a ball pit too, and that
Speaker 1: was just And that's coming from me who got bumped
Speaker 1: into a kiddie pool and sold it. But the difference
Speaker 1: is I am allergic to.
Speaker 3: Water and you had a slipping slide, which makes it
Speaker 3: extra better.
Speaker 1: Now, I will say that in storyline, Blair Davenport put
Speaker 1: soul Ruka out of action for nine months because when
Speaker 1: Soul tore her acl, they did the phantom attack and
Speaker 1: Blair was responsible. Okay, so it is possible that this
Speaker 1: was just a blowoff to a long feud, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't really a long feud because soldiers came back. So
Speaker 1: I watched this and my presumption was Blaired Avenport is
Speaker 1: going up to the main.
Speaker 3: I would have said that until she got to NXT
Speaker 3: to me. She showed nothing. And I don't know bringing
Speaker 3: her up to the main roster unless you got some
Speaker 3: good plan. I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then we add Baron Corbin and Lexus King and
Speaker 1: it was not completely clean. Lexus King kicked him in
Speaker 1: the ding dong and then pinned him with his finish.
Speaker 1: But Corbyn's he's out of here, He's going back to
Speaker 1: the main and an Ilia Dragonov is already declared. And
Speaker 1: so those are the names I think are going up.
Speaker 1: Baron Corbin, Ilia Dragonov, Fellon Henley or fella, yeah, Fellon
Speaker 1: Henley and Blair ed Avenport. And I should also add
Speaker 1: that at the beginning of the show they had a
Speaker 1: meeting backstage. Got these meetings with Ava they are something else.
Speaker 1: It's her and Adam Pierce and Nick Aldis is on
Speaker 1: his's facetiming on a TV screen behind him. By the way,
Speaker 1: had like anyway, so uh, that guy's good even on TV.
Speaker 1: But the point is they're all talking about the draft,
Speaker 1: and Adam Pearce made a point to say, you know,
Speaker 1: they both said, you know, we're looking at all the
Speaker 1: talent tonight wants some people up. And Adam Pearce did
Speaker 1: specifically say, you know, we're looking for women for raw,
Speaker 1: So I think Blair and Fallon are probably are both
Speaker 1: going up. So anyway, backing up with more Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: So we do have an update here. You missed the
Speaker 1: pre show Angle where Trent Bretta gave Chuck Taylor to
Speaker 1: ultimate him and he has to decide tonight on Dynamite
Speaker 1: took place on zero hour.
Speaker 3: Why couldn't you just decide right then and there you're
Speaker 3: the dude that you've been wronging.
Speaker 1: Well, you know you gotta put you gotta put some
Speaker 1: thought into it. You know, I gotta put some thought
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: I like when I want an answer that it is
Speaker 1: in my favor, I demand a person give it some
Speaker 1: thought first.
Speaker 3: Well, I can't wait until like you finally hit Craig
Speaker 3: in the head with a chair, and then Vinnie's got
Speaker 3: to stand there and actually decide has this man gone
Speaker 3: nuts or not? Is there something wrong with this man?
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, what did you do? Nothing? Well,
Speaker 3: then you know you should be pissed off with the
Speaker 3: person that him with the or in this case, the knee.
Speaker 1: Says, assuming THEA beats Jac next week, I can see
Speaker 1: Jac going to the main roster. Maybe THEA is the
Speaker 1: one to beat Roxanne for the title. Well, the problem
Speaker 1: is that the draft is like Friday and Saturday. So
Speaker 1: my guess is that anybody who they wanted is who
Speaker 1: is gonna be drafted they put on Night one and
Speaker 1: beat him. I mean, it's possible and everything, but well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be.
Speaker 3: Interesting to see who stays in NXT or if somebody
Speaker 3: goes down there. I mean, obviously you have the rotating
Speaker 3: people like I think aop and carrying crosses, but I
Speaker 3: do wonder if we are going to get somebody who
Speaker 3: gets drafted down or again gets moved over obness. See
Speaker 3: Jones is a great example, Apollo Cruise is a great example.
Speaker 3: You can do a lot more with them in NXT
Speaker 3: than you're ever gonna do with them on the main roster.
Speaker 3: Because I hate this for Odyssey's sake, but we saw
Speaker 3: some of those guys who have come up recently, not
Speaker 3: the least of which is Ovi Feme, and you're gonna
Speaker 3: get into a shuffle spot again of how many people
Speaker 3: can you have going at once?
Speaker 1: Oh, we got the draft rules forgot about those, so
Speaker 1: there's anyway we'll read those tomorrow. We got time we
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