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Speaker 1: Scan Advice Shooters Bice.

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Speaker 2: It's time nice.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome to the Nordy of the Nice Show.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, drop Shooter and it's Monday, which means

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Speaker 2: our dear friend Garrett Vogel joins us. Hey, Garrett, are

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Speaker 2: you there?

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Speaker 1: Happy happy birthday. It's Rod's birthday. Over the weekend, he

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Speaker 1: turned thirty two.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you had

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Speaker 2: a lovely birthday. It was my birthday yesterday. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for all the notes everybody reaching out. Hey, I have

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Speaker 2: a question about this. Yesterday I took a day off,

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Speaker 2: so I did nothing but have a brilliant, brilliant day.

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Speaker 2: I did see your messages this morning. Is it rude

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Speaker 2: to get back with a thank you the day afterwards?

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Speaker 3: Or is that okay?

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Speaker 4: Ah?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, a day aftern not bad like if

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Speaker 1: it goes unignored, that's one thing. But knowing you and

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Speaker 1: the celebrity that you want are, you know, it might

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Speaker 1: be a little tough. You know, do you expect Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift to get back to every you know, happy birthday?

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Speaker 1: She gets known, you know, but you know, maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: a little heart here or there into hearts.

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Speaker 2: The day is full. I saw all your lovely, lovely wishes.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hey, let's jump into

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Speaker 2: the show. What time is it?

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Speaker 3: My friends? Two time?

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Speaker 2: Big story. At the top of the show, Harry and

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Speaker 2: Meghan are devastated that they got snubbed by the Emmys

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Speaker 2: and did their run of bad looks. We've done this story,

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Speaker 2: We've spoke about their bad look. They believe that everything

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Speaker 2: that happened with the queen passing with COVID, it was

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Speaker 2: just a bad time to launch a new business, their

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Speaker 2: business being the Sussex Is So they stepped out of

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Speaker 2: the royal family. They launched this new business. They really

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Speaker 2: want to earn their own money, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: something we can all admire.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to live off their family money.

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Speaker 2: So they launched all these big events, podcast businesses, TV shows, Netflix.

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Speaker 2: None of them really did that well, So they're blaming

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Speaker 2: you all on bad Look. However, now they're a little

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Speaker 2: bit concerned that their Netflix series, which they poured their

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Speaker 2: heart and soul into Who I'm Told, didn't get a

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Speaker 2: nomination for the MS. Now, remember the people that nominate

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Speaker 2: you for the MS are Hollywood insiders. This is the

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Speaker 2: community that they really want to be part of this

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Speaker 2: is their peers. This is where they want their future

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Speaker 2: to be. I can understand why they're a little bit miffed.

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Speaker 4: You know what, I feel like they are.

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Speaker 1: They are like that friend that always is in a

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Speaker 1: relationship and breaks up every two weeks. But it's not them,

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Speaker 1: it's not your friend. It's always the other person, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's what I see with the

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Speaker 1: with Harry and Meghan. It's always it's not us we

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Speaker 1: are perfect, it's everybody else that is the problem around here,

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Speaker 1: right Like, That's what it feels like.

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Speaker 2: To take some responsibility at some point. I liked their

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Speaker 2: Netflix series. It was a little bit boring, dare I say?

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Speaker 2: It was like about six or seven episodes long episodes,

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Speaker 2: not in enough gossip in there for my liking, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of victim huts. They played the victim a

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Speaker 2: little bit strong in this documentary. Now, arguably they have

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Speaker 2: been the victim. They have made mistakes. But I did

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Speaker 2: think it was beautifully produced. Garrett, somebody that's worked on

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Speaker 1: But again, it's like you can't judge the book by

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Speaker 1: its cover. Though you know, the cover looked beautiful, magnificent.

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Speaker 1: I would buy it off the stand like this in

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Speaker 1: a snap of a second. But then once you open

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Speaker 1: the book and start reading the book, you're like, ugh,

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Speaker 1: they spent all the money on the cover, like they

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Speaker 1: didn't put anything into it. But you know what, Rob,

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, how do they get out of this?

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Speaker 1: Let's just say you, being the pr expert that you

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Speaker 1: were in a previous life, how do you get Megan

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Speaker 2: Say with them, if you've got to stop speaking about

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Speaker 2: the Royal family, if you want out of the Royal family,

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Speaker 3: But then the.

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Speaker 2: Problem is, what are we going to talk about? What

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Speaker 2: is your future? What do you want your future to be?

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Speaker 2: Who do you want to be remembered for? What do

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Speaker 2: Megan and Harry and Royal cannot be one of those words?

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Speaker 2: And also to I think I would tell them and

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Speaker 2: It's a tough conversation to have, and celebrities do not

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Speaker 2: often listen to this. You've got to stop being the victim.

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Speaker 2: And I think i'd say that to my friends, even

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Speaker 2: my friends who have had horrible things happen to them.

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Speaker 2: They can't wear that as a badge of honor. That

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Speaker 2: cannot become their identity. The worst day of your life

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Speaker 2: cannot be your entire future. And thought about that, But

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Speaker 2: I think the hard thing here is what do they want?

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Speaker 2: And I think that's difficult too, because I think the

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Speaker 2: answer is yes to all of those, and they don't

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Speaker 2: all necessarily go hand in hand. So the future for

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Speaker 2: Harry and Meghan it's going to be interesting. They have

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Speaker 2: some money, so don't worry about them. His books sold

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Speaker 2: really well, ten million from his mom, Princess Diana, So

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Speaker 2: it's the sort of money, Garrett, that you and me

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Speaker 2: could retire on. The difference is they are used to

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Speaker 2: so it costs a lot of money to keep up

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Speaker 2: the lifestyle he wants. I also get this. This might

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Speaker 2: be a little bit of a head explosion here. Please

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Speaker 2: reuniting with the family, I think about making peace. I

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Speaker 2: don't not saying go back, but I think families that

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Speaker 2: are at war, even when there's a right reason to

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Speaker 2: be angry, you gotta find peace with your family somehow.

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Speaker 1: You know what I live by, and I tell my

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Speaker 1: friends this too, especially when like you were just talking

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Speaker 1: about the ones that feel like you know they're the victim. Everyone,

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Speaker 1: everyone out there, and even all the naughties listening. Everyone

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Speaker 1: loves a comeback story. Yes, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So even if they they make it, even if the

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Speaker 1: Royals make it look like they're groveling back, long as

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Speaker 1: Meghan and Harry seem like, hey, we're connecting with the

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Speaker 1: family again. We're back together, We're stronger than ever. We're

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Speaker 1: still love our families. Still think that would be a.

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Speaker 2: Good step, absolutely, my friend, which brings us to our

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Speaker 2: whole question of the day. Megan and Harry are devastated

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Speaker 2: that they were snubbed by the Emmys amid this quote

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Speaker 2: bad luck. Are you over, Harry and Meghan? Are you

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Speaker 2: just sick of them. Is everybody just over them? They're

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Speaker 2: so overexposed? Is this just a backlash that we're all

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Speaker 2: just like, go away for a little bit. Hey, go

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Speaker 2: vote on our Twitter page at naughty Nice Web, but

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Speaker 2: facebook page is naughty Gossom. I'm be sure to check

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Speaker 2: back some more road to hear your results. Hey Gary,

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Speaker 2: what are you working on?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: Andy Cohen, we all know him and love him, the

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Speaker 1: king of Bravo. He was actually filling in for Kelly

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Speaker 1: Ripper the other day on Kelly and Mark and Are

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Speaker 1: revealed that Kelly and Mark's son, Michael, is actually working

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Speaker 1: for Bravo. Now I would assume more in the producer

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Speaker 1: It's normally like when when Kelly is out, they'll put

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Speaker 4: They started watching Real House.

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Speaker 1: Michael is working on Summerhouse and he loves it. So

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Speaker 4: This is a goods. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now this is rubbed a few people the wrong way

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Speaker 2: because I get story later on about nepo babies. Have

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Speaker 2: you heard that term nepotism? Babies kids, kids who.

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Speaker 3: Are getting extraordinary privilege because of who their parents are.

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Speaker 2: Now, is it fair that somebody like Michael, who lives in,

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Speaker 2: and you just couldn't pay to get this experience. It's

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Speaker 2: understand Andy, like you've got this, Garrett. We have interns

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Speaker 2: There's always a connection. I try to make sure majority

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Speaker 2: That isn't the case.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The other problem I have with this too is that

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Speaker 1: Level Andy will Andy will speak of it. It's like

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Speaker 1: it's like uncle Andy at this point, you know what

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm not gonna tell Michael if he drops a

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Speaker 2: camera or if he misses something because he gets me

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Speaker 2: the wrong cup of coffee. I think in turns sometimes

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Speaker 3: Mine don't.

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Speaker 2: But if you if you mess up and uncle, Andy's uncle,

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Speaker 2: and they're gonna be very careful around him.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I like it.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, like you're saying in the Neppo baby

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Speaker 1: terms of things. Yes, it is a term that has

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Speaker 1: end of the day, the one thing that that people

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Speaker 1: it is about talent, it is about relationships. But at

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Speaker 1: Why what you know, with the exception of you know,

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Speaker 1: Bill Gates and all those billionaires of the world, they're

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Speaker 2: rob dear friend, Garrett, Hey, Garrett, let's get to the pole.

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Speaker 2: You we go, Lascher. We talked about a new picture

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Speaker 3: He's not that into her. Will these two end up together?

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Speaker 1: It's all my story. So let's turn to Joe Jonas

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Speaker 2: Even Joe Jonas needs to go to the bathroom. It's

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Speaker 2: good to remember that when you're get intimidated by celebrities

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Speaker 2: Ben Platt cut off an interview because he was asked

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Speaker 2: Listening and naughtyous of the day, Okay, let's end with

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Speaker 2: the moment of Robbie get a raba. Instead of asking

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