Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody reporting from the Home Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: by now you have seen yet another grim headline about
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old girl who is in Florida and
Speaker 1: by the courts have been has been denied access to
Speaker 1: an abortion because the courts have decided that she quote
Speaker 1: is not mature enough. So apparently a sixteen year old
Speaker 1: is not mature enough to have an abortion, but is
Speaker 1: mature enough to be pregnant and become a mother before
Speaker 1: the age of eighteen. I want you to understand and
Speaker 1: grapple with the absolute fuckery that is the bullshit Republican
Speaker 1: cult right now. And if women and people with uteruses
Speaker 1: in this country do not stand up to this fucking fascism,
Speaker 1: I don't know where we will be a year from now,
Speaker 1: let alone in twenty twenty five, right when a new
Speaker 1: president will be sworn in, because I have to tell
Speaker 1: you that, you know. Coming up is my conversation with
Speaker 1: our good friend Danielle Campemore to talk about the latest
Speaker 1: with regard to the stories that she's been writing and
Speaker 1: has been hearing about what has happened to this country
Speaker 1: in just a matter of months with denying women access
Speaker 1: to abortion, stories of you know, pregnant women going into
Speaker 1: their doctor's office because and finding out that their fetus
Speaker 1: is not compatible with life, but being forced to turn
Speaker 1: their womb into a fucking graveyard. Can you imagine having
Speaker 1: to carry a child that you know is not going
Speaker 1: to survive, but needing to walk around, go to work,
Speaker 1: go to school, go to church, synagogue, the mosque with
Speaker 1: a dying fetus inside of you. What kind of fucking
Speaker 1: gruesome medieval society do we live in? And what is
Speaker 1: it going to take for people to get into the
Speaker 1: fucking streets and realize that they need right now to
Speaker 1: fight for their lives because that's what the Republican cult
Speaker 1: is forcing us to do. This country is in such
Speaker 1: harm's way right now. There is just so much. And yes,
Speaker 1: I lifted up the other day that the Inflation Act
Speaker 1: was past major win for the Biden administration. Lifted up
Speaker 1: that the gun legislation, although it's not going to stop
Speaker 1: mass shootings and doesn't reinstate an assault rifle ban, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's something for people to hang their hats on.
Speaker 1: But this issue of abortion and reproduction and the ability
Speaker 1: to have freedom right, because this is what this is about.
Speaker 1: This is about women and people with uterus is having
Speaker 1: access to freedom, the freedom to chart your path, the
Speaker 1: freedom to establish your dreams, the freedom to have access
Speaker 1: to an education. Because this is the other thing that
Speaker 1: I will talk about with Danielle, is that you don't
Speaker 1: need to look really far for the correlations between poverty
Speaker 1: and child pregnancy. Right, you don't need to look far
Speaker 1: to understand that the expectancy right of success from a
Speaker 1: teen mother is not high. So for again, for a
Speaker 1: country that says that they care about children, we're really
Speaker 1: doing a shit job because soon we'll probably have child
Speaker 1: brides and child labor again, because that's how much we
Speaker 1: just need more cogs in the machine, and the capitalistic
Speaker 1: fascist machine. That's all we need. You know. I saw
Speaker 1: a meme the other day and I said, wow, goddamn.
Speaker 1: And the meme said something to the effect it was
Speaker 1: two cartoon characters, two white cartoon characters staring at each other,
Speaker 1: and the first one has a sign on it that
Speaker 1: says capitalism, and it looks at the other cartoon character
Speaker 1: and points and says, who are you? And the other
Speaker 1: cartoon character has a sign on it that says fascism,
Speaker 1: I'm fascism. I'm what happens when times get tough? Right,
Speaker 1: We wonder how the Holocaust happen. We wonder how these
Speaker 1: issues happen in countries where you see governments overthrown and
Speaker 1: you see vicious violence right at the hands of government
Speaker 1: and state police. Usually comes during times like this, and
Speaker 1: we are seeing it day by day. So what's going
Speaker 1: to happen when all of Congress is filled with Marjorie
Speaker 1: Taylor Greens and Lauren Boebert's will cease to be Congress
Speaker 1: because their whole goal will be to do what Donald
Speaker 1: Trump began, which is a dismantling of all of the
Speaker 1: agencies and government as a whole. But they'll continue to
Speaker 1: bolster up the military, which they will use against the
Speaker 1: people of this country. If we don't wake the fuck up, right,
Speaker 1: if we don't wake the fuck up, we are going
Speaker 1: to lose everything. Coming up next, my conversation with our friend,
Speaker 1: abortion advocate and writer for The Today Show, Danielle Campomore. Hey,
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Speaker 1: have the opportunity to speak with our friend Danielle Campa Moore,
Speaker 1: who writes for Thetoday dot com and many other outlets
Speaker 1: on the issue of abortion, reproductive care, and health, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a trying time and it's hard conversations, but it's
Speaker 1: important conversations to have. And Danielle, I just want to
Speaker 1: start off with, you know, since the DABS decision, which
Speaker 1: was the last time that we had the ability to speak,
Speaker 1: there's just and awful headlines after awful headlines with girls
Speaker 1: that aren't even teenagers, teenage girls living in states that
Speaker 1: are now abortion deserts and being forced forced to give birth,
Speaker 1: being told like what just happened this week from a
Speaker 1: Florida court that a sixteen year old girl isn't mature
Speaker 1: enough to have an abortion, but apparently she is mature
Speaker 1: enough to become a mother. And you know, these stories
Speaker 1: are weighing on my soul and so many people, and
Speaker 1: so I just want to start off with asking you
Speaker 1: know how you are doing and how these stories ones
Speaker 1: that you are writing yourself and then also reading are
Speaker 1: landing with you. Well, one, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: having me. It's always such a joy to speak with you,
Speaker 1: even in these types of circumstances. It is always I'll
Speaker 1: always start by saying it as a privilege to hold
Speaker 1: space with people who trust me with their stories, especially
Speaker 1: in some of the most dire circumstances that they've ever faced.
Speaker 1: I've spoke with a mom to a two year old
Speaker 1: who had to travel out of state because her fetus
Speaker 1: was incompatible with life, but she was denied an abortion.
Speaker 1: I spoke to another mother who had a four year old.
Speaker 1: She was forced to travel out of state for an
Speaker 1: abortion because her fetus had half a skull and half
Speaker 1: a brain, incompatible with life, but she was denied an abortion.
Speaker 1: Covering stories of a ten year old rape victim who
Speaker 1: had to travel out of state. Now that state has
Speaker 1: banned abortion in cases of rape and incests, So what
Speaker 1: was available to even that rape victim that child is
Speaker 1: no longer available to people in that state of Indiana
Speaker 1: or states nearby. And then, of course, as you mentioned
Speaker 1: the sixteen year old, I'm now working on a story
Speaker 1: speaking with other people who had to beg in a
Speaker 1: court when they were children, who because they either didn't
Speaker 1: have parents or they didn't have parental consent because their
Speaker 1: parents weren't safe people for them to speak to about
Speaker 1: having an unwanted pregnancy and what it was like for
Speaker 1: them to beg a judge to grant them access to healthcare.
Speaker 1: They had to speak about their GPAs they had to
Speaker 1: say that they had good enough grades that it talked
Speaker 1: about their extracurricular activities to show that they were responsible.
Speaker 1: Children talk about their dreams as if they were their
Speaker 1: dreams worthy enough to be pursued, as opposed to be
Speaker 1: enforced to become a parent. So again, it's always a
Speaker 1: privilege that people trust me with their stories. But I'd
Speaker 1: be lying if I said there aren't tears shed on
Speaker 1: both sides, that it isn't difficult to hear the harm
Speaker 1: being caused. And this harm, make no mistake, is not
Speaker 1: an accident. It is on purpose. The even the exception
Speaker 1: language in these bands are vague. Purposefully they get in
Speaker 1: the way of doctors being able to care for their
Speaker 1: patients adequately and in a way that they know how
Speaker 1: to do how they're trained to do. I mean, one
Speaker 1: of the conversations that I had that I think about
Speaker 1: Danielle all the time I spoke with a physician who
Speaker 1: a woman who is pregnant comes in. She's in labor
Speaker 1: sixteen weeks, her membranes are gone, she's bleeding out, she's
Speaker 1: in extreme risk of infection, in going in a sepsis,
Speaker 1: in shock and dying. This doctor knows exactly what she
Speaker 1: needs to do. She needs to perform an abortion to
Speaker 1: remove the remains of the pregnancy to save this person's life.
Speaker 1: But she steps away from her patient. She goes out
Speaker 1: in the hall. She calls her lawyer, who now is
Speaker 1: on speed dial, to make sure that she won't go
Speaker 1: to prison and her children at home won't be left
Speaker 1: without a mom because she's stripped of her job and
Speaker 1: she's going to go to jail. And she talked about
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm going to live with myself
Speaker 1: if someone dies because I don't do my job, but
Speaker 1: my child loses a mom because I go to prison
Speaker 1: for doing my job. These are unbelievably cruel circumstances that
Speaker 1: doctors and patients, children victims of rape are facing now
Speaker 1: and it will only get worse, unfortunately. You know, Danielle,
Speaker 1: that's the stories that I know that you share and
Speaker 1: cover are absolutely heartbreaking and They're heartbreaking, and they're necessary
Speaker 1: because people need to understand what their ambivalence causes, right,
Speaker 1: because this isn't just an issue of people didn't vote right,
Speaker 1: Like this isn't just an issue if people didn't show
Speaker 1: up and quote unquote do the right thing. It's the
Speaker 1: idea that we believe that something that had been always
Speaker 1: in our lives was going to remain. And I don't
Speaker 1: know how to express to people now that if you
Speaker 1: were not voting with a level of fury. I still
Speaker 1: don't understand why people are not out in the streets
Speaker 1: every single day demanding that this country recognize women and
Speaker 1: people with uterus is as full human beings. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: But I wonder, you know, what if anything, did the
Speaker 1: turnout in Kansas signal to you? As you know, the
Speaker 1: country was pretty much stunned with the people of Kansas,
Speaker 1: in a red state who are quote unquote conservative. I
Speaker 1: don't even know what that means these days, but they
Speaker 1: voted no against the state's ability to strip away abortion.
Speaker 1: What if anything did that signal to you? It really
Speaker 1: has signaled three things to me. And I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about this a lot leading up to Dabbs, but definitely
Speaker 1: once Dobbs ruling came down and Rowe was no more
Speaker 1: one the failure of the media. This is not surprising
Speaker 1: to anyone who ever paid attention. Abortion is incredibly popular
Speaker 1: in this country. Seventy plus percent of Americans believe that
Speaker 1: Roe should have remained intact. Republicans get abortions, Democrats get abortions, Catholics, Christians, Baptists, Protestants, Conservatives, liberals, atheist,
Speaker 1: you name it. Everyone gets abortions, and it's incredibly popular.
Speaker 1: The idea that those decisions need to be made between
Speaker 1: a pregnant person, their medical care provider, and their family
Speaker 1: and if they have won their religious leaders. That's an
Speaker 1: incredibly popular Yet we've framed this for decades as a
Speaker 1: contentious issue, a debatable issue, when it's really just being
Speaker 1: debated by people in positions of power who have benefited
Speaker 1: off the idea that this is contentious and we shouldn't
Speaker 1: talk about it, because it really isn't. And that was
Speaker 1: for an out in Kansas, in a quote unquote red
Speaker 1: state where again people want to make their own healthcare
Speaker 1: decisions regardless of who they vote for. And we're also
Speaker 1: seen and this was born out in one woman that
Speaker 1: I talked to in Texas who had to travel out
Speaker 1: of state for an abortion because the fetus wasn't compatible
Speaker 1: with life. She's talking to her family members and they
Speaker 1: didn't understand that what she needed was an abortion. They
Speaker 1: didn't comprehend that what they've actually fought for, they were
Speaker 1: happy to see row overturn actually harmed one of their
Speaker 1: loved ones. And so, you know, people thought, well, what
Speaker 1: was for they was never going to hurt me and mine.
Speaker 1: Well that's not true. Will absolutely hurt you and yours
Speaker 1: one way or the other, whether you ever considered the
Speaker 1: possibility of having an abortion or not. And so we're
Speaker 1: seeing that galvanized voters in a way that perhaps has
Speaker 1: surprise Republicans and Democrats alike. I think Foxnews just came
Speaker 1: up with a polling in the shift of people turning
Speaker 1: towards Democrat leaders on the stance of abortion alone nine
Speaker 1: point shift for white women, ten point shift for non
Speaker 1: white women. Shifting dads was over twenty points. Dads don't
Speaker 1: want people making decisions for their daughters, for their wives,
Speaker 1: for their girlfriends, you know, mistresses. Even so, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're seeing what happens when the media could cover this
Speaker 1: more adequately. We're also seeing what could have happened if
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party never ceded the quote unquote moral high ground,
Speaker 1: never did the safe legal rare, but instead would have
Speaker 1: done the safe legal and whenever it is needed in
Speaker 1: conversation with a patient and their doctor. And now it
Speaker 1: is I know, disheartening to the people that I've talked
Speaker 1: to who are being impacted to see access to abortion
Speaker 1: care still being considered a political chess piece as opposed
Speaker 1: to a dire human rights violation that is harming people
Speaker 1: in real time and will continue to do so. And
Speaker 1: so hopefully the Democrats don't just see this as a
Speaker 1: political talking point, but really a call to action to
Speaker 1: better support and protect their constituents. And that doesn't just include,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, Democratic voters, but every voter in the country.
Speaker 1: You know, Danielle, There's something that I've been thinking about
Speaker 1: since this decision came down, and it's the fact that
Speaker 1: what happened around the same time, if not within the
Speaker 1: same year, as Roe v. Wade becoming law of the
Speaker 1: land in the mid nineteen seventies is that women were
Speaker 1: actually able for the first time the alleged the courts
Speaker 1: to be able to get credit cards, to be able
Speaker 1: to get mortgages, to have financial independence. That didn't happen
Speaker 1: in this country until the nineteen seventies. And I wonder
Speaker 1: if you see as well the correlation between what we
Speaker 1: are seeing roll back in terms of bodily autonomy and
Speaker 1: the correlation between moving this not just with the body,
Speaker 1: but to every facet of a woman and a person
Speaker 1: with a uterus's life, where we could possibly see women
Speaker 1: have all freedoms taken away from them and no one
Speaker 1: bad an eyelash. Do you see that correlation? I do.
Speaker 1: I mean we saw it in the Dobs decision, in
Speaker 1: writing from other justices who suggested that we need to
Speaker 1: go back and look at at laws that protected access
Speaker 1: to birth control, for example, same sex marriage, interracial marriage.
Speaker 1: But I'm also saying that in conversations that I'm having
Speaker 1: with people. I did a story for Today dot com
Speaker 1: and people who look they want to have babies, they
Speaker 1: were planning on starting their families. Then they lost the
Speaker 1: constitutional right to abortion care, and now they're reconsidering that
Speaker 1: not just because of the potential physical ramifications. Again, what
Speaker 1: that they have an ectopic pregnancy. What happens if there's
Speaker 1: a pregnancy complication. Is a doctor going to pick the
Speaker 1: life of potential life of a fetus over their own?
Speaker 1: But also what does this mean in terms of their
Speaker 1: ability to go back to work if they're a mother,
Speaker 1: what happens to them if they come into some sort
Speaker 1: of financial difficulty they lose their job. Are they going
Speaker 1: to be shackled to someone who, yes, loves them now,
Speaker 1: but their own financial and freedom, their independence is important
Speaker 1: to them. And that was put on in real conversations
Speaker 1: that couples are having about this could extend to my
Speaker 1: financial security, This could extend to my ability to still
Speaker 1: be a member of the job force, my ability to
Speaker 1: go to work. So when we already have a country
Speaker 1: that doesn't mandate paid print to leave, that has limited
Speaker 1: access to affordable childcare, that has a rising maternal mortality rate,
Speaker 1: and a maternal mental health crisis, all these things they
Speaker 1: all go together, and people are stopping and pausing and
Speaker 1: considering whether it's even safe for them to start families physically,
Speaker 1: financially or otherwise. I just, you know, the ramifications of
Speaker 1: all of this. I don't even think it's only been
Speaker 1: a couple of months right since this decision came down,
Speaker 1: and what we are seeing across the board is just
Speaker 1: how fundamental the access to abortion is in our lives, right,
Speaker 1: and you know, and it isn't in too all of
Speaker 1: the stories that you started out with. It isn't just
Speaker 1: about you know, oh that what Republicans like to say, Oops,
Speaker 1: I got pregnant and so I'm using abortion as a
Speaker 1: birth control. It's like, no, I wanted this baby, and
Speaker 1: the baby is not and the end, the fetus is
Speaker 1: not viable. Right, So I'm supposed to turn my womb
Speaker 1: into into what a graveyard because of politics? I just
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder, Danielle, what do you if you were,
Speaker 1: you know, marshaling people together, what would the actions that
Speaker 1: you would want to see taken? Like, what should people
Speaker 1: who are angry, who are sad, who are grief stricken?
Speaker 1: What would you have people be doing right now? And
Speaker 1: that is regular people on the ground. And then the
Speaker 1: democratic establishment in this moment. Well, I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of those conversations with people that I've interviewed, because so
Speaker 1: many of the interviews has ends with really candid questions
Speaker 1: where they'll ask me, I just don't know what to do?
Speaker 1: What do I do? I believe in the power of storytelling,
Speaker 1: and we've seen how that works. I mean, Matt Gates
Speaker 1: attacked abortion advocate in Texas of regarding her weight, try
Speaker 1: to body shame her, tried to say that everyone who's
Speaker 1: upset about the end of row are all overweight, no
Speaker 1: one would want babies with them Anyways, she turned around
Speaker 1: and raised over two million dollars, and that was off
Speaker 1: of her storytelling, off of her experience, off of her
Speaker 1: uplifting other stories of people who have abortions. And so
Speaker 1: I think there's power in talking about it. I think
Speaker 1: there's power and talking about it openly and honestly and
Speaker 1: candidly with friends and family members as long as you're
Speaker 1: safe and supported. And I fully believe it in the
Speaker 1: power of that, and we see that born out time
Speaker 1: and time again. I believe that that's why Kansas the
Speaker 1: vote came down the way that it did and the
Speaker 1: citizens of that state decided to protect abortion access. That
Speaker 1: was led by people sharing abortion stories, sharing stories like
Speaker 1: the people that I've interviewed, And there's power in that.
Speaker 1: People see themselves in that. As far as those of
Speaker 1: that we've elected into office who have made promises about
Speaker 1: protecting access to abortion care, look, we don't need to
Speaker 1: point out that we lost Roe v Weight after our
Speaker 1: fifty years when we had a Democrat and the president,
Speaker 1: a Democrat controlled House and a Democrat controlled Senate. But
Speaker 1: you can't protect something if you don't name it out loud.
Speaker 1: And thus President they in his cabinet won't even say
Speaker 1: the word abortion and their stigma associated to that, and
Speaker 1: that really is a huge signal to people who have
Speaker 1: abortion and who need abortions for any number of reasons,
Speaker 1: in any number of circumstances, that for some reason they
Speaker 1: should be ashamed about it. And that's not what we
Speaker 1: need from those who in the in the same breath
Speaker 1: avow to protect abortions. So I think it again, it
Speaker 1: starts with even just saying the word out loud, and
Speaker 1: that's that's the smallest of things that those in positions
Speaker 1: of power can do. You know. One of the other
Speaker 1: things that I've been thinking about as well, and again
Speaker 1: just stories and correlation between what is happening and what
Speaker 1: we've seen in other countries is talk to us about,
Speaker 1: you know, the correlation between education, right like being able
Speaker 1: to have access to an education and these young girls
Speaker 1: that are being forced into motherhood that what do we
Speaker 1: think is going to happen when a sixteen year old
Speaker 1: is now forced into being into parenthood? What do we
Speaker 1: think is going to happen when a ten year old
Speaker 1: is forced into parenthood? So I want to know if
Speaker 1: in your research also you see the correlation between you know,
Speaker 1: lack of access to education, poverty and what and kind
Speaker 1: of the cycle that will come out of the denial
Speaker 1: of abortion. Absolutely, I mean make the mistake. The stories
Speaker 1: that we're hearing now, they're not new stories. These stories
Speaker 1: have long existed, but they've existed in primarily black communities,
Speaker 1: brown communities, poor, rural and LGBTQ plus communities. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot to be said for why they aren't covered
Speaker 1: at the capacity that they're covered now. And that's again
Speaker 1: something the media needed to reckon with. And we would
Speaker 1: have covered abortion the way we're covering a post row
Speaker 1: people wouldn't be as surprised as they are now. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't be this shocking that access to abortion care lack
Speaker 1: thereof can harm everybody because we would have covered it adequately.
Speaker 1: But that those stories came from predominantly black communities and
Speaker 1: therefore for overlooked is a big reason why we are
Speaker 1: here now, in this moment. But to your point, look,
Speaker 1: tons of studies have shown the harm that has caused
Speaker 1: by people who are denied access to abortion care. They
Speaker 1: have a higher risk of living in poverty. The majority
Speaker 1: of them are already mothers, so their parents are so
Speaker 1: the children that they already have hit milestones later than
Speaker 1: kids from other families. Their kids are more likely to
Speaker 1: live in poverty, more likely to suffer via their education.
Speaker 1: It causes exponential harm. And this isn't just when it
Speaker 1: comes to abortion either. There are studies that show that
Speaker 1: young girls and people who get periods miss school because
Speaker 1: they don't have access to adequate period products, because they
Speaker 1: don't understand what's going on with their body, and they're
Speaker 1: afraid because their stigma associated to that too. All these
Speaker 1: themes are interconnected. The more education we have, the more
Speaker 1: the media actually informs the public instead of both sides
Speaker 1: issues under the guise of neutrality, but just informs the public.
Speaker 1: And then we expand access to education, childcare, to other
Speaker 1: reproductive services, the more that people will be able to
Speaker 1: make better informed decisions that allow them to pursue their education,
Speaker 1: their career goals, any number of things that they can
Speaker 1: do but without those things, without access to reproductive healthcare,
Speaker 1: including abortion, without access to other services, and without the
Speaker 1: stories from the most marginalized, so many people are going
Speaker 1: to be harmed. Women are going to be missing from
Speaker 1: the workforce, from higher forms of education, from positions of power.
Speaker 1: We're going to lose voices that we need. That includes
Speaker 1: in the House and the Senate, in local government. It
Speaker 1: will be that much harder. I mean, I'm a mom,
Speaker 1: I love my children. I have been able to pursue
Speaker 1: a career that I love with my children in tow.
Speaker 1: But it is not a lie to say it's much
Speaker 1: harder and without access to support that I am lucky
Speaker 1: enough and privileged enough to have, would I be where
Speaker 1: I am now? I don't think so. That's not, you know,
Speaker 1: a lie, It's not anything other than the truth. Raising
Speaker 1: children is hard, especially for working moms who still face
Speaker 1: a disproportionate amount of work inside the home, where we're
Speaker 1: still considered primary parents by our employers and by schools.
Speaker 1: They call us first, they rely on us first, and
Speaker 1: if we have an assist male partner, they are considered secondary.
Speaker 1: Until that changes too, it will always fall on moms,
Speaker 1: and that's why we need that additional support, and that
Speaker 1: includes access to abortion, and unfortunately, we're seeing that taken
Speaker 1: away state by state, clinic by clinic, and it's not
Speaker 1: seeming to slow down. You know. One of the other
Speaker 1: things that I have been saying, and this is something
Speaker 1: that at some point I need to write about myself,
Speaker 1: which is the creation of a permanent underclass, which is
Speaker 1: what allows fascism to grow. Right, You need a permanent underclass.
Speaker 1: And how do you get that. You take away people's education,
Speaker 1: you take away access to abortion, you take away, you know,
Speaker 1: any protections in the workforce, and little by little you
Speaker 1: rob people of their hope and their future. And that's
Speaker 1: what and that's what allows you know, this type of
Speaker 1: authoritarian regime to thrive. And so I want people to
Speaker 1: be able to connect the dots between all of the
Speaker 1: things that are happening and what their vision right, what
Speaker 1: the opposition's vision is for the future, Daniel. For those
Speaker 1: who are listening, that are feeling powerless, that are feeling hopeless,
Speaker 1: what do you say to them, Well, one, You're feelings
Speaker 1: are valid, and I think that it's okay to sit
Speaker 1: in them. Toxic positivity is also real, and I think
Speaker 1: that to deny how burdensnesses have difficult it is, how
Speaker 1: disheartening and heartbreaking it is, especially as we hear more
Speaker 1: of these stories, is to deny yourself a part of
Speaker 1: that humanity that keeps us capable of possessing empathy and sympathy,
Speaker 1: and those can be galvanizing. So your feelings are valid.
Speaker 1: But then I would encourage you to listen, to listen
Speaker 1: to the people that this is impacting the most, to
Speaker 1: read those stories, to listen to people, to have those conversations.
Speaker 1: And I mean it can be challenging at times to say, vote,
Speaker 1: and I can understand that that can be very frustrating
Speaker 1: for people to hear when so many did vote and
Speaker 1: they put the people that they wanted an office. And
Speaker 1: here we are anyways, but making your voice heard is
Speaker 1: incredibly important in a variety of ways. Voting is one
Speaker 1: of them, but it's not the only one, but I
Speaker 1: do think it is an important one. And then, yeah,
Speaker 1: have those conversations, support the people who are sharing their stories,
Speaker 1: especially in some of the most heartbreaking of times. And
Speaker 1: in all the conversations that I've had with all of
Speaker 1: these people who have trusted me with their experiences, one
Speaker 1: resounding lesson that they've taken away from what they've endured
Speaker 1: is to support and protect your people, your community, show
Speaker 1: up for each other, because no matter what, we do,
Speaker 1: have each other. You have your community members, you have
Speaker 1: your neighbors. And the more that we show up for
Speaker 1: each other, especially when people are being encouraged to tell
Speaker 1: on each other in states like Texas and Oklahoma and
Speaker 1: Ohio and Louisiana, the more that we're told that we
Speaker 1: need to be pointing fingers at each other and distrusting
Speaker 1: each other, the more harm we're causing our communities and
Speaker 1: therefore ourselves. So show up for each other, trust each other,
Speaker 1: help each other, support each other, and in that I
Speaker 1: think we'll find power and hope. Danielle Campamore, as always,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time to join
Speaker 1: woke f and continue the good, valiant fight that you
Speaker 1: wage every single day. We appreciate you. Thank you, my
Speaker 1: dear friend. I appreciate you. That is it for me today,
Speaker 1: Dear friends on woke f as always, power to the
Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and
Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.