WEBVTT - Forced Birth Nation 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.400 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:19.840 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody reporting from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:26.080 by now you have seen yet another grim headline about 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:30.360 a sixteen year old girl who is in Florida and 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.559 by the courts have been has been denied access to 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.760 an abortion because the courts have decided that she quote 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.240 is not mature enough. So apparently a sixteen year old 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.519 is not mature enough to have an abortion, but is 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:49.520 mature enough to be pregnant and become a mother before 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.000 the age of eighteen. I want you to understand and 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:58.000 grapple with the absolute fuckery that is the bullshit Republican 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:02.560 cult right now. And if women and people with uteruses 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:08.600 in this country do not stand up to this fucking fascism, 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.160 I don't know where we will be a year from now, 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:16.520 let alone in twenty twenty five, right when a new 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:20.160 president will be sworn in, because I have to tell 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.560 you that, you know. Coming up is my conversation with 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.960 our good friend Danielle Campemore to talk about the latest 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.720 with regard to the stories that she's been writing and 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:37.200 has been hearing about what has happened to this country 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.080 in just a matter of months with denying women access 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:47.040 to abortion, stories of you know, pregnant women going into 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.960 their doctor's office because and finding out that their fetus 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.520 is not compatible with life, but being forced to turn 0:01:55.600 --> 0:02:00.920 their womb into a fucking graveyard. Can you imagine having 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.880 to carry a child that you know is not going 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:09.520 to survive, but needing to walk around, go to work, 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.960 go to school, go to church, synagogue, the mosque with 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.200 a dying fetus inside of you. What kind of fucking 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:23.519 gruesome medieval society do we live in? And what is 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.040 it going to take for people to get into the 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:31.720 fucking streets and realize that they need right now to 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.840 fight for their lives because that's what the Republican cult 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:42.560 is forcing us to do. This country is in such 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.600 harm's way right now. There is just so much. And yes, 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.000 I lifted up the other day that the Inflation Act 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.560 was past major win for the Biden administration. Lifted up 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.840 that the gun legislation, although it's not going to stop 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.720 mass shootings and doesn't reinstate an assault rifle ban, but 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.720 you know, it's something for people to hang their hats on. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:09.760 But this issue of abortion and reproduction and the ability 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:14.280 to have freedom right, because this is what this is about. 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.960 This is about women and people with uterus is having 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:22.120 access to freedom, the freedom to chart your path, the 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:28.480 freedom to establish your dreams, the freedom to have access 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.280 to an education. Because this is the other thing that 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.280 I will talk about with Danielle, is that you don't 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.920 need to look really far for the correlations between poverty 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:45.040 and child pregnancy. Right, you don't need to look far 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:52.240 to understand that the expectancy right of success from a 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:59.600 teen mother is not high. So for again, for a 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.400 country that says that they care about children, we're really 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:07.200 doing a shit job because soon we'll probably have child 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:11.840 brides and child labor again, because that's how much we 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.200 just need more cogs in the machine, and the capitalistic 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.320 fascist machine. That's all we need. You know. I saw 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.640 a meme the other day and I said, wow, goddamn. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.080 And the meme said something to the effect it was 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:30.760 two cartoon characters, two white cartoon characters staring at each other, 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.400 and the first one has a sign on it that 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.480 says capitalism, and it looks at the other cartoon character 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.480 and points and says, who are you? And the other 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.720 cartoon character has a sign on it that says fascism, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:49.719 I'm fascism. I'm what happens when times get tough? Right, 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:55.520 We wonder how the Holocaust happen. We wonder how these 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.320 issues happen in countries where you see governments overthrown and 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.599 you see vicious violence right at the hands of government 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.440 and state police. Usually comes during times like this, and 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:12.480 we are seeing it day by day. So what's going 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:16.960 to happen when all of Congress is filled with Marjorie 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.440 Taylor Greens and Lauren Boebert's will cease to be Congress 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.680 because their whole goal will be to do what Donald 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.400 Trump began, which is a dismantling of all of the 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.000 agencies and government as a whole. But they'll continue to 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.280 bolster up the military, which they will use against the 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:38.720 people of this country. If we don't wake the fuck up, right, 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.320 if we don't wake the fuck up, we are going 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:48.440 to lose everything. Coming up next, my conversation with our friend, 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:55.479 abortion advocate and writer for The Today Show, Danielle Campomore. 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Folks, Whenever I 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.840 have the opportunity to speak with our friend Danielle Campa Moore, 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:37.120 who writes for Thetoday dot com and many other outlets 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:43.600 on the issue of abortion, reproductive care, and health, you know, 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:48.360 it's a trying time and it's hard conversations, but it's 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.800 important conversations to have. And Danielle, I just want to 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:55.560 start off with, you know, since the DABS decision, which 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.080 was the last time that we had the ability to speak, 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:04.760 there's just and awful headlines after awful headlines with girls 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:10.240 that aren't even teenagers, teenage girls living in states that 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:14.760 are now abortion deserts and being forced forced to give birth, 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.640 being told like what just happened this week from a 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.600 Florida court that a sixteen year old girl isn't mature 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.160 enough to have an abortion, but apparently she is mature 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:27.040 enough to become a mother. And you know, these stories 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.560 are weighing on my soul and so many people, and 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.040 so I just want to start off with asking you 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:38.080 know how you are doing and how these stories ones 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.920 that you are writing yourself and then also reading are 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:45.280 landing with you. Well, one, thank you so much for 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.319 having me. It's always such a joy to speak with you, 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:52.520 even in these types of circumstances. It is always I'll 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.960 always start by saying it as a privilege to hold 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.760 space with people who trust me with their stories, especially 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.600 in some of the most dire circumstances that they've ever faced. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.439 I've spoke with a mom to a two year old 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.920 who had to travel out of state because her fetus 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.040 was incompatible with life, but she was denied an abortion. 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.520 I spoke to another mother who had a four year old. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.000 She was forced to travel out of state for an 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.840 abortion because her fetus had half a skull and half 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.280 a brain, incompatible with life, but she was denied an abortion. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.800 Covering stories of a ten year old rape victim who 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.199 had to travel out of state. Now that state has 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.320 banned abortion in cases of rape and incests, So what 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.040 was available to even that rape victim that child is 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.240 no longer available to people in that state of Indiana 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.320 or states nearby. And then, of course, as you mentioned 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.680 the sixteen year old, I'm now working on a story 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.680 speaking with other people who had to beg in a 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.760 court when they were children, who because they either didn't 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.200 have parents or they didn't have parental consent because their 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.360 parents weren't safe people for them to speak to about 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.040 having an unwanted pregnancy and what it was like for 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.640 them to beg a judge to grant them access to healthcare. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.480 They had to speak about their GPAs they had to 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.880 say that they had good enough grades that it talked 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.880 about their extracurricular activities to show that they were responsible. 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:16.120 Children talk about their dreams as if they were their 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.080 dreams worthy enough to be pursued, as opposed to be 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:23.520 enforced to become a parent. So again, it's always a 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.360 privilege that people trust me with their stories. But I'd 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.320 be lying if I said there aren't tears shed on 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.720 both sides, that it isn't difficult to hear the harm 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.680 being caused. And this harm, make no mistake, is not 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:41.079 an accident. It is on purpose. The even the exception 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:46.959 language in these bands are vague. Purposefully they get in 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.800 the way of doctors being able to care for their 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.120 patients adequately and in a way that they know how 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.360 to do how they're trained to do. I mean, one 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.520 of the conversations that I had that I think about 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.560 Danielle all the time I spoke with a physician who 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:06.080 a woman who is pregnant comes in. She's in labor 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:11.800 sixteen weeks, her membranes are gone, she's bleeding out, she's 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:17.320 in extreme risk of infection, in going in a sepsis, 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.640 in shock and dying. This doctor knows exactly what she 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.240 needs to do. She needs to perform an abortion to 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.280 remove the remains of the pregnancy to save this person's life. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.640 But she steps away from her patient. She goes out 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.000 in the hall. She calls her lawyer, who now is 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.600 on speed dial, to make sure that she won't go 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.880 to prison and her children at home won't be left 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.720 without a mom because she's stripped of her job and 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.160 she's going to go to jail. And she talked about 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.120 I don't know how I'm going to live with myself 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.600 if someone dies because I don't do my job, but 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.640 my child loses a mom because I go to prison 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:01.559 for doing my job. These are unbelievably cruel circumstances that 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:06.560 doctors and patients, children victims of rape are facing now 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:13.360 and it will only get worse, unfortunately. You know, Danielle, 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.920 that's the stories that I know that you share and 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:22.720 cover are absolutely heartbreaking and They're heartbreaking, and they're necessary 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:28.600 because people need to understand what their ambivalence causes, right, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:33.720 because this isn't just an issue of people didn't vote right, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.040 Like this isn't just an issue if people didn't show 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.720 up and quote unquote do the right thing. It's the 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.360 idea that we believe that something that had been always 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:46.600 in our lives was going to remain. And I don't 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.959 know how to express to people now that if you 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:54.160 were not voting with a level of fury. I still 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.160 don't understand why people are not out in the streets 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:02.600 every single day demanding that this country recognize women and 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:07.439 people with uterus is as full human beings. I don't understand. 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:13.200 But I wonder, you know, what if anything, did the 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:19.320 turnout in Kansas signal to you? As you know, the 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:23.440 country was pretty much stunned with the people of Kansas, 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:28.199 in a red state who are quote unquote conservative. I 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:32.120 don't even know what that means these days, but they 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:36.800 voted no against the state's ability to strip away abortion. 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:42.560 What if anything did that signal to you? It really 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.079 has signaled three things to me. And I've been thinking 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.120 about this a lot leading up to Dabbs, but definitely 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.120 once Dobbs ruling came down and Rowe was no more 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:57.079 one the failure of the media. This is not surprising 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:01.000 to anyone who ever paid attention. Abortion is incredibly popular 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.040 in this country. Seventy plus percent of Americans believe that 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:16.240 Roe should have remained intact. Republicans get abortions, Democrats get abortions, Catholics, Christians, Baptists, Protestants, Conservatives, liberals, atheist, 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:21.440 you name it. Everyone gets abortions, and it's incredibly popular. 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.880 The idea that those decisions need to be made between 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.240 a pregnant person, their medical care provider, and their family 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.760 and if they have won their religious leaders. That's an 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:35.320 incredibly popular Yet we've framed this for decades as a 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.080 contentious issue, a debatable issue, when it's really just being 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.880 debated by people in positions of power who have benefited 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.880 off the idea that this is contentious and we shouldn't 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.880 talk about it, because it really isn't. And that was 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.080 for an out in Kansas, in a quote unquote red 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.680 state where again people want to make their own healthcare 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.400 decisions regardless of who they vote for. And we're also 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.400 seen and this was born out in one woman that 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.080 I talked to in Texas who had to travel out 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.560 of state for an abortion because the fetus wasn't compatible 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:11.600 with life. She's talking to her family members and they 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.200 didn't understand that what she needed was an abortion. They 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.320 didn't comprehend that what they've actually fought for, they were 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.920 happy to see row overturn actually harmed one of their 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:27.320 loved ones. And so, you know, people thought, well, what 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.240 was for they was never going to hurt me and mine. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.760 Well that's not true. Will absolutely hurt you and yours 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.120 one way or the other, whether you ever considered the 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.800 possibility of having an abortion or not. And so we're 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:45.920 seeing that galvanized voters in a way that perhaps has 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.960 surprise Republicans and Democrats alike. I think Foxnews just came 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.680 up with a polling in the shift of people turning 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:57.920 towards Democrat leaders on the stance of abortion alone nine 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.960 point shift for white women, ten point shift for non 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:06.800 white women. Shifting dads was over twenty points. Dads don't 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.440 want people making decisions for their daughters, for their wives, 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:15.000 for their girlfriends, you know, mistresses. Even so, I mean, 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:19.680 we're seeing what happens when the media could cover this 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.600 more adequately. We're also seeing what could have happened if 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:27.200 the Democratic Party never ceded the quote unquote moral high ground, 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.400 never did the safe legal rare, but instead would have 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.000 done the safe legal and whenever it is needed in 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:38.240 conversation with a patient and their doctor. And now it 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.520 is I know, disheartening to the people that I've talked 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:45.320 to who are being impacted to see access to abortion 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:51.240 care still being considered a political chess piece as opposed 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:56.280 to a dire human rights violation that is harming people 0:16:56.480 --> 0:17:00.160 in real time and will continue to do so. And 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:05.280 so hopefully the Democrats don't just see this as a 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.639 political talking point, but really a call to action to 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:14.280 better support and protect their constituents. And that doesn't just include, 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:19.000 as I mentioned, Democratic voters, but every voter in the country. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.960 You know, Danielle, There's something that I've been thinking about 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.840 since this decision came down, and it's the fact that 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.520 what happened around the same time, if not within the 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:34.919 same year, as Roe v. Wade becoming law of the 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.880 land in the mid nineteen seventies is that women were 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:43.920 actually able for the first time the alleged the courts 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.919 to be able to get credit cards, to be able 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:51.480 to get mortgages, to have financial independence. That didn't happen 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.919 in this country until the nineteen seventies. And I wonder 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:59.159 if you see as well the correlation between what we 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:03.600 are seeing roll back in terms of bodily autonomy and 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:10.840 the correlation between moving this not just with the body, 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.040 but to every facet of a woman and a person 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:18.840 with a uterus's life, where we could possibly see women 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:23.520 have all freedoms taken away from them and no one 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:28.480 bad an eyelash. Do you see that correlation? I do. 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.720 I mean we saw it in the Dobs decision, in 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.760 writing from other justices who suggested that we need to 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.320 go back and look at at laws that protected access 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:43.320 to birth control, for example, same sex marriage, interracial marriage. 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.720 But I'm also saying that in conversations that I'm having 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.680 with people. I did a story for Today dot com 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.119 and people who look they want to have babies, they 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.560 were planning on starting their families. Then they lost the 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.720 constitutional right to abortion care, and now they're reconsidering that 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.800 not just because of the potential physical ramifications. Again, what 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.480 that they have an ectopic pregnancy. What happens if there's 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.119 a pregnancy complication. Is a doctor going to pick the 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.880 life of potential life of a fetus over their own? 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.119 But also what does this mean in terms of their 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.000 ability to go back to work if they're a mother, 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:16.160 what happens to them if they come into some sort 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.280 of financial difficulty they lose their job. Are they going 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.680 to be shackled to someone who, yes, loves them now, 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:25.840 but their own financial and freedom, their independence is important 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.960 to them. And that was put on in real conversations 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.199 that couples are having about this could extend to my 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.439 financial security, This could extend to my ability to still 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.879 be a member of the job force, my ability to 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.400 go to work. So when we already have a country 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.840 that doesn't mandate paid print to leave, that has limited 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.440 access to affordable childcare, that has a rising maternal mortality rate, 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:52.160 and a maternal mental health crisis, all these things they 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.840 all go together, and people are stopping and pausing and 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.400 considering whether it's even safe for them to start families physically, 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:04.760 financially or otherwise. I just, you know, the ramifications of 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.000 all of this. I don't even think it's only been 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.359 a couple of months right since this decision came down, 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.080 and what we are seeing across the board is just 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:19.120 how fundamental the access to abortion is in our lives, right, 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.320 and you know, and it isn't in too all of 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.000 the stories that you started out with. It isn't just 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:29.640 about you know, oh that what Republicans like to say, Oops, 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.000 I got pregnant and so I'm using abortion as a 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:36.439 birth control. It's like, no, I wanted this baby, and 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.679 the baby is not and the end, the fetus is 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.280 not viable. Right, So I'm supposed to turn my womb 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:47.440 into into what a graveyard because of politics? I just 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.879 you know, I wonder, Danielle, what do you if you were, 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:57.800 you know, marshaling people together, what would the actions that 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:02.480 you would want to see taken? Like, what should people 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:07.240 who are angry, who are sad, who are grief stricken? 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.000 What would you have people be doing right now? And 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.679 that is regular people on the ground. And then the 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:18.280 democratic establishment in this moment. Well, I've had a lot 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.919 of those conversations with people that I've interviewed, because so 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.120 many of the interviews has ends with really candid questions 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:25.960 where they'll ask me, I just don't know what to do? 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.520 What do I do? I believe in the power of storytelling, 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.879 and we've seen how that works. I mean, Matt Gates 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:36.760 attacked abortion advocate in Texas of regarding her weight, try 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.080 to body shame her, tried to say that everyone who's 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.679 upset about the end of row are all overweight, no 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.080 one would want babies with them Anyways, she turned around 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.840 and raised over two million dollars, and that was off 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:52.239 of her storytelling, off of her experience, off of her 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.240 uplifting other stories of people who have abortions. And so 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.120 I think there's power in talking about it. I think 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.720 there's power and talking about it openly and honestly and 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.520 candidly with friends and family members as long as you're 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.879 safe and supported. And I fully believe it in the 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:11.440 power of that, and we see that born out time 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.760 and time again. I believe that that's why Kansas the 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:16.959 vote came down the way that it did and the 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.800 citizens of that state decided to protect abortion access. That 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.119 was led by people sharing abortion stories, sharing stories like 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.480 the people that I've interviewed, And there's power in that. 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.359 People see themselves in that. As far as those of 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.760 that we've elected into office who have made promises about 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.600 protecting access to abortion care, look, we don't need to 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.880 point out that we lost Roe v Weight after our 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:40.800 fifty years when we had a Democrat and the president, 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:45.960 a Democrat controlled House and a Democrat controlled Senate. But 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.240 you can't protect something if you don't name it out loud. 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:54.080 And thus President they in his cabinet won't even say 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:57.119 the word abortion and their stigma associated to that, and 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.520 that really is a huge signal to people who have 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:02.040 abortion and who need abortions for any number of reasons, 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.439 in any number of circumstances, that for some reason they 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.040 should be ashamed about it. And that's not what we 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.359 need from those who in the in the same breath 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.600 avow to protect abortions. So I think it again, it 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:16.640 starts with even just saying the word out loud, and 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:20.040 that's that's the smallest of things that those in positions 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.600 of power can do. You know. One of the other 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.320 things that I've been thinking about as well, and again 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:29.600 just stories and correlation between what is happening and what 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:33.880 we've seen in other countries is talk to us about, 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:38.720 you know, the correlation between education, right like being able 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.000 to have access to an education and these young girls 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:46.480 that are being forced into motherhood that what do we 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:50.240 think is going to happen when a sixteen year old 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.600 is now forced into being into parenthood? What do we 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.400 think is going to happen when a ten year old 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:58.680 is forced into parenthood? So I want to know if 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:04.000 in your research also you see the correlation between you know, 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:09.040 lack of access to education, poverty and what and kind 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:12.360 of the cycle that will come out of the denial 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:17.359 of abortion. Absolutely, I mean make the mistake. The stories 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:19.960 that we're hearing now, they're not new stories. These stories 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:23.600 have long existed, but they've existed in primarily black communities, 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:27.720 brown communities, poor, rural and LGBTQ plus communities. So there's 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:29.960 a lot to be said for why they aren't covered 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.640 at the capacity that they're covered now. And that's again 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:34.880 something the media needed to reckon with. And we would 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.400 have covered abortion the way we're covering a post row 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:40.159 people wouldn't be as surprised as they are now. It 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:44.520 wouldn't be this shocking that access to abortion care lack 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.879 thereof can harm everybody because we would have covered it adequately. 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:50.840 But that those stories came from predominantly black communities and 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:54.280 therefore for overlooked is a big reason why we are 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:57.840 here now, in this moment. But to your point, look, 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.280 tons of studies have shown the harm that has caused 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.080 by people who are denied access to abortion care. They 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:05.159 have a higher risk of living in poverty. The majority 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.479 of them are already mothers, so their parents are so 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.119 the children that they already have hit milestones later than 0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:14.919 kids from other families. Their kids are more likely to 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:18.800 live in poverty, more likely to suffer via their education. 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.879 It causes exponential harm. And this isn't just when it 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.199 comes to abortion either. There are studies that show that 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:28.639 young girls and people who get periods miss school because 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.320 they don't have access to adequate period products, because they 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.240 don't understand what's going on with their body, and they're 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:36.440 afraid because their stigma associated to that too. All these 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.840 themes are interconnected. The more education we have, the more 0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:46.400