1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody reporting from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: by now you have seen yet another grim headline about 4 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: a sixteen year old girl who is in Florida and 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: by the courts have been has been denied access to 6 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: an abortion because the courts have decided that she quote 7 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: is not mature enough. So apparently a sixteen year old 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: is not mature enough to have an abortion, but is 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: mature enough to be pregnant and become a mother before 10 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: the age of eighteen. I want you to understand and 11 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: grapple with the absolute fuckery that is the bullshit Republican 12 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: cult right now. And if women and people with uteruses 13 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: in this country do not stand up to this fucking fascism, 14 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: I don't know where we will be a year from now, 15 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: let alone in twenty twenty five, right when a new 16 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: president will be sworn in, because I have to tell 17 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: you that, you know. Coming up is my conversation with 18 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: our good friend Danielle Campemore to talk about the latest 19 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: with regard to the stories that she's been writing and 20 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: has been hearing about what has happened to this country 21 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: in just a matter of months with denying women access 22 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: to abortion, stories of you know, pregnant women going into 23 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: their doctor's office because and finding out that their fetus 24 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: is not compatible with life, but being forced to turn 25 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: their womb into a fucking graveyard. Can you imagine having 26 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: to carry a child that you know is not going 27 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: to survive, but needing to walk around, go to work, 28 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: go to school, go to church, synagogue, the mosque with 29 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: a dying fetus inside of you. What kind of fucking 30 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: gruesome medieval society do we live in? And what is 31 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: it going to take for people to get into the 32 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: fucking streets and realize that they need right now to 33 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: fight for their lives because that's what the Republican cult 34 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: is forcing us to do. This country is in such 35 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: harm's way right now. There is just so much. And yes, 36 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: I lifted up the other day that the Inflation Act 37 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: was past major win for the Biden administration. Lifted up 38 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: that the gun legislation, although it's not going to stop 39 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: mass shootings and doesn't reinstate an assault rifle ban, but 40 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's something for people to hang their hats on. 41 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: But this issue of abortion and reproduction and the ability 42 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: to have freedom right, because this is what this is about. 43 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: This is about women and people with uterus is having 44 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: access to freedom, the freedom to chart your path, the 45 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: freedom to establish your dreams, the freedom to have access 46 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: to an education. Because this is the other thing that 47 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: I will talk about with Danielle, is that you don't 48 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: need to look really far for the correlations between poverty 49 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: and child pregnancy. Right, you don't need to look far 50 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: to understand that the expectancy right of success from a 51 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: teen mother is not high. So for again, for a 52 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: country that says that they care about children, we're really 53 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: doing a shit job because soon we'll probably have child 54 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: brides and child labor again, because that's how much we 55 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: just need more cogs in the machine, and the capitalistic 56 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: fascist machine. That's all we need. You know. I saw 57 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: a meme the other day and I said, wow, goddamn. 58 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: And the meme said something to the effect it was 59 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: two cartoon characters, two white cartoon characters staring at each other, 60 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: and the first one has a sign on it that 61 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: says capitalism, and it looks at the other cartoon character 62 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: and points and says, who are you? And the other 63 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: cartoon character has a sign on it that says fascism, 64 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: I'm fascism. I'm what happens when times get tough? Right, 65 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: We wonder how the Holocaust happen. We wonder how these 66 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: issues happen in countries where you see governments overthrown and 67 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: you see vicious violence right at the hands of government 68 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: and state police. Usually comes during times like this, and 69 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: we are seeing it day by day. So what's going 70 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: to happen when all of Congress is filled with Marjorie 71 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: Taylor Greens and Lauren Boebert's will cease to be Congress 72 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: because their whole goal will be to do what Donald 73 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: Trump began, which is a dismantling of all of the 74 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: agencies and government as a whole. But they'll continue to 75 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: bolster up the military, which they will use against the 76 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: people of this country. If we don't wake the fuck up, right, 77 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: if we don't wake the fuck up, we are going 78 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: to lose everything. Coming up next, my conversation with our friend, 79 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: abortion advocate and writer for The Today Show, Danielle Campomore. Hey, 80 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm David. Plots of Slaves political gadfest. As another election 81 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: season accelerates, it can be tricky to sort through all 82 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: the noise and the news. 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And Danielle, I just want to 107 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: start off with, you know, since the DABS decision, which 108 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: was the last time that we had the ability to speak, 109 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: there's just and awful headlines after awful headlines with girls 110 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: that aren't even teenagers, teenage girls living in states that 111 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: are now abortion deserts and being forced forced to give birth, 112 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: being told like what just happened this week from a 113 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: Florida court that a sixteen year old girl isn't mature 114 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: enough to have an abortion, but apparently she is mature 115 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: enough to become a mother. And you know, these stories 116 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: are weighing on my soul and so many people, and 117 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: so I just want to start off with asking you 118 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: know how you are doing and how these stories ones 119 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: that you are writing yourself and then also reading are 120 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: landing with you. Well, one, thank you so much for 121 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: having me. It's always such a joy to speak with you, 122 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: even in these types of circumstances. It is always I'll 123 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: always start by saying it as a privilege to hold 124 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: space with people who trust me with their stories, especially 125 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: in some of the most dire circumstances that they've ever faced. 126 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: I've spoke with a mom to a two year old 127 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: who had to travel out of state because her fetus 128 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: was incompatible with life, but she was denied an abortion. 129 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: I spoke to another mother who had a four year old. 130 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: She was forced to travel out of state for an 131 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: abortion because her fetus had half a skull and half 132 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: a brain, incompatible with life, but she was denied an abortion. 133 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: Covering stories of a ten year old rape victim who 134 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: had to travel out of state. Now that state has 135 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: banned abortion in cases of rape and incests, So what 136 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: was available to even that rape victim that child is 137 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: no longer available to people in that state of Indiana 138 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: or states nearby. And then, of course, as you mentioned 139 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: the sixteen year old, I'm now working on a story 140 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: speaking with other people who had to beg in a 141 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: court when they were children, who because they either didn't 142 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: have parents or they didn't have parental consent because their 143 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: parents weren't safe people for them to speak to about 144 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: having an unwanted pregnancy and what it was like for 145 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: them to beg a judge to grant them access to healthcare. 146 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: They had to speak about their GPAs they had to 147 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: say that they had good enough grades that it talked 148 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: about their extracurricular activities to show that they were responsible. 149 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: Children talk about their dreams as if they were their 150 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: dreams worthy enough to be pursued, as opposed to be 151 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: enforced to become a parent. So again, it's always a 152 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: privilege that people trust me with their stories. But I'd 153 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: be lying if I said there aren't tears shed on 154 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: both sides, that it isn't difficult to hear the harm 155 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: being caused. And this harm, make no mistake, is not 156 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: an accident. It is on purpose. The even the exception 157 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: language in these bands are vague. Purposefully they get in 158 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: the way of doctors being able to care for their 159 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: patients adequately and in a way that they know how 160 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: to do how they're trained to do. I mean, one 161 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: of the conversations that I had that I think about 162 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: Danielle all the time I spoke with a physician who 163 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: a woman who is pregnant comes in. She's in labor 164 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: sixteen weeks, her membranes are gone, she's bleeding out, she's 165 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: in extreme risk of infection, in going in a sepsis, 166 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: in shock and dying. This doctor knows exactly what she 167 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: needs to do. She needs to perform an abortion to 168 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: remove the remains of the pregnancy to save this person's life. 169 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: But she steps away from her patient. She goes out 170 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: in the hall. She calls her lawyer, who now is 171 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: on speed dial, to make sure that she won't go 172 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: to prison and her children at home won't be left 173 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: without a mom because she's stripped of her job and 174 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: she's going to go to jail. And she talked about 175 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm going to live with myself 176 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: if someone dies because I don't do my job, but 177 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: my child loses a mom because I go to prison 178 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: for doing my job. These are unbelievably cruel circumstances that 179 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: doctors and patients, children victims of rape are facing now 180 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: and it will only get worse, unfortunately. You know, Danielle, 181 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: that's the stories that I know that you share and 182 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: cover are absolutely heartbreaking and They're heartbreaking, and they're necessary 183 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: because people need to understand what their ambivalence causes, right, 184 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: because this isn't just an issue of people didn't vote right, 185 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: Like this isn't just an issue if people didn't show 186 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: up and quote unquote do the right thing. It's the 187 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: idea that we believe that something that had been always 188 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: in our lives was going to remain. And I don't 189 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: know how to express to people now that if you 190 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: were not voting with a level of fury. I still 191 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: don't understand why people are not out in the streets 192 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: every single day demanding that this country recognize women and 193 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: people with uterus is as full human beings. I don't understand. 194 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: But I wonder, you know, what if anything, did the 195 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: turnout in Kansas signal to you? As you know, the 196 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: country was pretty much stunned with the people of Kansas, 197 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: in a red state who are quote unquote conservative. I 198 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: don't even know what that means these days, but they 199 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: voted no against the state's ability to strip away abortion. 200 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: What if anything did that signal to you? It really 201 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: has signaled three things to me. And I've been thinking 202 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: about this a lot leading up to Dabbs, but definitely 203 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: once Dobbs ruling came down and Rowe was no more 204 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: one the failure of the media. This is not surprising 205 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: to anyone who ever paid attention. Abortion is incredibly popular 206 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: in this country. Seventy plus percent of Americans believe that 207 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: Roe should have remained intact. Republicans get abortions, Democrats get abortions, Catholics, Christians, Baptists, Protestants, Conservatives, liberals, atheist, 208 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: you name it. Everyone gets abortions, and it's incredibly popular. 209 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: The idea that those decisions need to be made between 210 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: a pregnant person, their medical care provider, and their family 211 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: and if they have won their religious leaders. That's an 212 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: incredibly popular Yet we've framed this for decades as a 213 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: contentious issue, a debatable issue, when it's really just being 214 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: debated by people in positions of power who have benefited 215 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: off the idea that this is contentious and we shouldn't 216 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: talk about it, because it really isn't. And that was 217 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: for an out in Kansas, in a quote unquote red 218 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: state where again people want to make their own healthcare 219 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: decisions regardless of who they vote for. And we're also 220 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: seen and this was born out in one woman that 221 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: I talked to in Texas who had to travel out 222 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: of state for an abortion because the fetus wasn't compatible 223 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: with life. She's talking to her family members and they 224 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: didn't understand that what she needed was an abortion. They 225 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: didn't comprehend that what they've actually fought for, they were 226 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: happy to see row overturn actually harmed one of their 227 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: loved ones. And so, you know, people thought, well, what 228 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: was for they was never going to hurt me and mine. 229 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: Well that's not true. Will absolutely hurt you and yours 230 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: one way or the other, whether you ever considered the 231 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: possibility of having an abortion or not. And so we're 232 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: seeing that galvanized voters in a way that perhaps has 233 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: surprise Republicans and Democrats alike. I think Foxnews just came 234 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: up with a polling in the shift of people turning 235 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: towards Democrat leaders on the stance of abortion alone nine 236 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: point shift for white women, ten point shift for non 237 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: white women. Shifting dads was over twenty points. Dads don't 238 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: want people making decisions for their daughters, for their wives, 239 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: for their girlfriends, you know, mistresses. Even so, I mean, 240 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: we're seeing what happens when the media could cover this 241 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: more adequately. We're also seeing what could have happened if 242 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party never ceded the quote unquote moral high ground, 243 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: never did the safe legal rare, but instead would have 244 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: done the safe legal and whenever it is needed in 245 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: conversation with a patient and their doctor. And now it 246 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: is I know, disheartening to the people that I've talked 247 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: to who are being impacted to see access to abortion 248 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: care still being considered a political chess piece as opposed 249 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: to a dire human rights violation that is harming people 250 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: in real time and will continue to do so. And 251 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: so hopefully the Democrats don't just see this as a 252 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: political talking point, but really a call to action to 253 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: better support and protect their constituents. And that doesn't just include, 254 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, Democratic voters, but every voter in the country. 255 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: You know, Danielle, There's something that I've been thinking about 256 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: since this decision came down, and it's the fact that 257 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: what happened around the same time, if not within the 258 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: same year, as Roe v. Wade becoming law of the 259 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: land in the mid nineteen seventies is that women were 260 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: actually able for the first time the alleged the courts 261 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: to be able to get credit cards, to be able 262 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: to get mortgages, to have financial independence. That didn't happen 263 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: in this country until the nineteen seventies. And I wonder 264 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: if you see as well the correlation between what we 265 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: are seeing roll back in terms of bodily autonomy and 266 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: the correlation between moving this not just with the body, 267 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: but to every facet of a woman and a person 268 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: with a uterus's life, where we could possibly see women 269 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: have all freedoms taken away from them and no one 270 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: bad an eyelash. Do you see that correlation? I do. 271 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: I mean we saw it in the Dobs decision, in 272 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: writing from other justices who suggested that we need to 273 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: go back and look at at laws that protected access 274 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: to birth control, for example, same sex marriage, interracial marriage. 275 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: But I'm also saying that in conversations that I'm having 276 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: with people. I did a story for Today dot com 277 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: and people who look they want to have babies, they 278 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: were planning on starting their families. Then they lost the 279 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: constitutional right to abortion care, and now they're reconsidering that 280 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: not just because of the potential physical ramifications. Again, what 281 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: that they have an ectopic pregnancy. What happens if there's 282 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: a pregnancy complication. Is a doctor going to pick the 283 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: life of potential life of a fetus over their own? 284 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: But also what does this mean in terms of their 285 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: ability to go back to work if they're a mother, 286 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: what happens to them if they come into some sort 287 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: of financial difficulty they lose their job. Are they going 288 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: to be shackled to someone who, yes, loves them now, 289 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: but their own financial and freedom, their independence is important 290 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: to them. And that was put on in real conversations 291 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: that couples are having about this could extend to my 292 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: financial security, This could extend to my ability to still 293 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: be a member of the job force, my ability to 294 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: go to work. So when we already have a country 295 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't mandate paid print to leave, that has limited 296 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: access to affordable childcare, that has a rising maternal mortality rate, 297 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: and a maternal mental health crisis, all these things they 298 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: all go together, and people are stopping and pausing and 299 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: considering whether it's even safe for them to start families physically, 300 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: financially or otherwise. I just, you know, the ramifications of 301 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: all of this. I don't even think it's only been 302 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: a couple of months right since this decision came down, 303 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: and what we are seeing across the board is just 304 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: how fundamental the access to abortion is in our lives, right, 305 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: and you know, and it isn't in too all of 306 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: the stories that you started out with. It isn't just 307 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: about you know, oh that what Republicans like to say, Oops, 308 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: I got pregnant and so I'm using abortion as a 309 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: birth control. It's like, no, I wanted this baby, and 310 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: the baby is not and the end, the fetus is 311 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: not viable. Right, So I'm supposed to turn my womb 312 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: into into what a graveyard because of politics? I just 313 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: you know, I wonder, Danielle, what do you if you were, 314 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: you know, marshaling people together, what would the actions that 315 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: you would want to see taken? Like, what should people 316 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: who are angry, who are sad, who are grief stricken? 317 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: What would you have people be doing right now? And 318 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: that is regular people on the ground. And then the 319 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: democratic establishment in this moment. Well, I've had a lot 320 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: of those conversations with people that I've interviewed, because so 321 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: many of the interviews has ends with really candid questions 322 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: where they'll ask me, I just don't know what to do? 323 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: What do I do? I believe in the power of storytelling, 324 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: and we've seen how that works. I mean, Matt Gates 325 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: attacked abortion advocate in Texas of regarding her weight, try 326 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: to body shame her, tried to say that everyone who's 327 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: upset about the end of row are all overweight, no 328 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: one would want babies with them Anyways, she turned around 329 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: and raised over two million dollars, and that was off 330 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: of her storytelling, off of her experience, off of her 331 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: uplifting other stories of people who have abortions. And so 332 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: I think there's power in talking about it. I think 333 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: there's power and talking about it openly and honestly and 334 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: candidly with friends and family members as long as you're 335 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: safe and supported. And I fully believe it in the 336 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: power of that, and we see that born out time 337 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: and time again. I believe that that's why Kansas the 338 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: vote came down the way that it did and the 339 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: citizens of that state decided to protect abortion access. That 340 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: was led by people sharing abortion stories, sharing stories like 341 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: the people that I've interviewed, And there's power in that. 342 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: People see themselves in that. As far as those of 343 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: that we've elected into office who have made promises about 344 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: protecting access to abortion care, look, we don't need to 345 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: point out that we lost Roe v Weight after our 346 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: fifty years when we had a Democrat and the president, 347 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: a Democrat controlled House and a Democrat controlled Senate. But 348 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: you can't protect something if you don't name it out loud. 349 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: And thus President they in his cabinet won't even say 350 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: the word abortion and their stigma associated to that, and 351 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: that really is a huge signal to people who have 352 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: abortion and who need abortions for any number of reasons, 353 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: in any number of circumstances, that for some reason they 354 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: should be ashamed about it. And that's not what we 355 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: need from those who in the in the same breath 356 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: avow to protect abortions. So I think it again, it 357 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: starts with even just saying the word out loud, and 358 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: that's that's the smallest of things that those in positions 359 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: of power can do. You know. One of the other 360 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: things that I've been thinking about as well, and again 361 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: just stories and correlation between what is happening and what 362 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: we've seen in other countries is talk to us about, 363 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, the correlation between education, right like being able 364 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: to have access to an education and these young girls 365 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: that are being forced into motherhood that what do we 366 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: think is going to happen when a sixteen year old 367 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: is now forced into being into parenthood? What do we 368 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: think is going to happen when a ten year old 369 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: is forced into parenthood? So I want to know if 370 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: in your research also you see the correlation between you know, 371 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: lack of access to education, poverty and what and kind 372 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: of the cycle that will come out of the denial 373 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: of abortion. Absolutely, I mean make the mistake. The stories 374 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: that we're hearing now, they're not new stories. These stories 375 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: have long existed, but they've existed in primarily black communities, 376 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: brown communities, poor, rural and LGBTQ plus communities. So there's 377 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: a lot to be said for why they aren't covered 378 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: at the capacity that they're covered now. And that's again 379 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: something the media needed to reckon with. And we would 380 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: have covered abortion the way we're covering a post row 381 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: people wouldn't be as surprised as they are now. It 382 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't be this shocking that access to abortion care lack 383 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: thereof can harm everybody because we would have covered it adequately. 384 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: But that those stories came from predominantly black communities and 385 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: therefore for overlooked is a big reason why we are 386 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: here now, in this moment. But to your point, look, 387 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: tons of studies have shown the harm that has caused 388 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: by people who are denied access to abortion care. They 389 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: have a higher risk of living in poverty. The majority 390 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 1: of them are already mothers, so their parents are so 391 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: the children that they already have hit milestones later than 392 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: kids from other families. Their kids are more likely to 393 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: live in poverty, more likely to suffer via their education. 394 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: It causes exponential harm. And this isn't just when it 395 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: comes to abortion either. There are studies that show that 396 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: young girls and people who get periods miss school because 397 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: they don't have access to adequate period products, because they 398 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: don't understand what's going on with their body, and they're 399 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: afraid because their stigma associated to that too. All these 400 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: themes are interconnected. The more education we have, the more 401 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: the media actually informs the public instead of both sides 402 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: issues under the guise of neutrality, but just informs the public. 403 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: And then we expand access to education, childcare, to other 404 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: reproductive services, the more that people will be able to 405 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: make better informed decisions that allow them to pursue their education, 406 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: their career goals, any number of things that they can 407 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: do but without those things, without access to reproductive healthcare, 408 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: including abortion, without access to other services, and without the 409 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: stories from the most marginalized, so many people are going 410 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: to be harmed. Women are going to be missing from 411 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: the workforce, from higher forms of education, from positions of power. 412 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: We're going to lose voices that we need. That includes 413 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: in the House and the Senate, in local government. It 414 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: will be that much harder. I mean, I'm a mom, 415 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: I love my children. I have been able to pursue 416 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: a career that I love with my children in tow. 417 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: But it is not a lie to say it's much 418 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: harder and without access to support that I am lucky 419 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: enough and privileged enough to have, would I be where 420 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: I am now? I don't think so. That's not, you know, 421 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: a lie, It's not anything other than the truth. Raising 422 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: children is hard, especially for working moms who still face 423 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: a disproportionate amount of work inside the home, where we're 424 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: still considered primary parents by our employers and by schools. 425 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: They call us first, they rely on us first, and 426 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: if we have an assist male partner, they are considered secondary. 427 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: Until that changes too, it will always fall on moms, 428 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: and that's why we need that additional support, and that 429 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: includes access to abortion, and unfortunately, we're seeing that taken 430 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: away state by state, clinic by clinic, and it's not 431 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: seeming to slow down. You know. One of the other 432 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: things that I have been saying, and this is something 433 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: that at some point I need to write about myself, 434 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: which is the creation of a permanent underclass, which is 435 00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: what allows fascism to grow. Right, You need a permanent underclass. 436 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: And how do you get that. You take away people's education, 437 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: you take away access to abortion, you take away, you know, 438 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: any protections in the workforce, and little by little you 439 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: rob people of their hope and their future. And that's 440 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: what and that's what allows you know, this type of 441 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: authoritarian regime to thrive. And so I want people to 442 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: be able to connect the dots between all of the 443 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: things that are happening and what their vision right, what 444 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: the opposition's vision is for the future, Daniel. For those 445 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: who are listening, that are feeling powerless, that are feeling hopeless, 446 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: what do you say to them, Well, one, You're feelings 447 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: are valid, and I think that it's okay to sit 448 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: in them. Toxic positivity is also real, and I think 449 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: that to deny how burdensnesses have difficult it is, how 450 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: disheartening and heartbreaking it is, especially as we hear more 451 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: of these stories, is to deny yourself a part of 452 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: that humanity that keeps us capable of possessing empathy and sympathy, 453 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: and those can be galvanizing. So your feelings are valid. 454 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: But then I would encourage you to listen, to listen 455 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: to the people that this is impacting the most, to 456 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: read those stories, to listen to people, to have those conversations. 457 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: And I mean it can be challenging at times to say, vote, 458 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: and I can understand that that can be very frustrating 459 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: for people to hear when so many did vote and 460 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: they put the people that they wanted an office. And 461 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: here we are anyways, but making your voice heard is 462 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: incredibly important in a variety of ways. Voting is one 463 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: of them, but it's not the only one, but I 464 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: do think it is an important one. And then, yeah, 465 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: have those conversations, support the people who are sharing their stories, 466 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: especially in some of the most heartbreaking of times. And 467 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: in all the conversations that I've had with all of 468 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: these people who have trusted me with their experiences, one 469 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: resounding lesson that they've taken away from what they've endured 470 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: is to support and protect your people, your community, show 471 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: up for each other, because no matter what, we do, 472 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: have each other. You have your community members, you have 473 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: your neighbors. And the more that we show up for 474 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: each other, especially when people are being encouraged to tell 475 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: on each other in states like Texas and Oklahoma and 476 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: Ohio and Louisiana, the more that we're told that we 477 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: need to be pointing fingers at each other and distrusting 478 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: each other, the more harm we're causing our communities and 479 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: therefore ourselves. So show up for each other, trust each other, 480 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: help each other, support each other, and in that I 481 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: think we'll find power and hope. Danielle Campamore, as always, 482 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time to join 483 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: woke f and continue the good, valiant fight that you 484 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: wage every single day. We appreciate you. Thank you, my 485 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: dear friend. I appreciate you. That is it for me today, 486 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: Dear friends on woke f as always, power to the 487 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and 488 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.