1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. It's the Velvet's 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson. Hey guys, I'm singer songwriter 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Lindsay l and I'm taking over Velvet Edge this week 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: for my friend Kelly. I didn't think twice about stepping 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: in when she asked me to do this so that 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: she could take a break. I'll be your guest host 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: for both the Velvet episode and the Edge episode, and 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to share this time with all of you. 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: Today's Velvet episode is something that is very near and 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: dear to me in my heart. I'm assuming that most 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: of you probably don't know my story, but I'm a 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: two time sexual assault survivor and it's a personal mission 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: of mine to raise awareness about this widespread issue and 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: to shine a light on all brave survivors. I released 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: a record last year called Heart Theory, and it was 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: my first time writing a song about my story. The 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: song is called make You if any of you want 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: to check it out and um and it has just 19 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: been incredible being able to see the the response from 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: from fans. I think I've gotten thousands and thousands of 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: d m s after releasing this song from fans UM 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: just about how they see seen for lack of a 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: better word, which you will understand a minute. UM. And 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: it's just incredible being able to, you know, hear some 25 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: of their stories and then be like lindsay, I've never 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: I've never had the confidence to to talk about this, 27 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: but thank you for forgiving me that courage. And UM, 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: it just goes to show you the power of music 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: and the power of art, and the power of standing 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: up for what we believe in, and UM not being 31 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: afraid to talk about things that are difficult to talk 32 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: about sometimes because that is the thing. I truly believe 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: that is the thing that brings us together as human 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: beings so that we don't all feel alone. So it 35 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: has become my mission, through my music and through every 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: thing that I do, UM, to be able to be 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: a voice for people. And UM I started my own 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: foundation called them Make You Movement, and I have had 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: the pleasure of working with my guest today on a 40 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: very special project that perfectly aligns with my mission. When 41 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: I first met him UM and he outlined what he 42 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: was working on, I didn't have to think twice about 43 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: getting involved. So ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you 44 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: to my dear friend, Mr Dan. Hello Dan, Hello, Hey Lindsay. 45 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. How are you doing? 46 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: I am so good. It's so good to hear your voice. 47 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this. I really really 48 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Um. I want to hear a little bit 49 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: about the Scene project just so people know what we're 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: talking about, and then we're going to get into your background. 51 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: But um, but can you just give us, like the 52 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: brief synopsis of what the Scene project is? Sure? Yeah. 53 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: Scene is a collection of photographs that we started about 54 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: two years ago. I was thinking about it a little 55 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: bit it before that. But Um, the idea was to 56 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: capture victim survivors where they were at in their healing journeys. UM. 57 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: It's a little bit different than how folks are portrayed. 58 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: Survivors are portrayed normally in the media. UM, And that 59 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: was the idea. Um, survivors are whole people that are 60 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: struggling to repair things in their past, and too often 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: I think the media portrays them as perpetual victims because 62 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: that's the narrative that they want to tell. And the 63 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: idea here was to listen first and foremost two where 64 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: they were at and that could run the gamut from 65 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: um from joyous for having crossed that line into a 66 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: feeling of self containment and um and healing and um 67 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: folks that maybe weren't quite ready to share their full 68 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: stories or even share it with their family. So it's real, 69 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: it's authentic, And that was another idea behind the project 70 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: was to capture authentic emotions of the survivors themselves and 71 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: not to impose on the subject on them my vision 72 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: as a photographer, but to really collaborate on creating each 73 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: individual photograph to hopefully tell their stories in the way 74 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: they wanted to. Goodness, gracious dam that's so beautiful. Um okay, 75 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: I want to know first, when did you first get 76 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: into photography and how how how did it like capture 77 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: your heart? I have loves photography since forever. My dad 78 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: used to take a lot of photographs. My brother Bobby 79 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: was a great photographer in Los Angeles for sports and 80 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: celebrity stuff for years, and occasionally I'd get the opportunity 81 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: to assist him on some really really cool things. Um, 82 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, a variety of projects. So I mean Bobby, uh, 83 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: my brother, He shot Olympics and Super Bowls in World 84 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: Series and so his niche was really different from what 85 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: I do now, But it had always been something I've 86 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: been fascinated with. And whenever I went to a museum 87 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: I would be drawn to the photography sections all the time. 88 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: And of course you know Edward Weston and Ansel Adams, 89 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: all the landscape guys always attracted me. And um, you 90 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 1: know a lot of the other portrait photographers, Vivian Mayor, 91 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: the street Grape street photographer, um and uh, and so 92 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: many others. And I was just fascinated with how so 93 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: much information and so many layered stories could be conveyed 94 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: in one simple image. I never really was a point 95 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: in my life where I could devote the kind of 96 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: time to exploring that side of myself until really just recently, 97 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: maybe in the last six or seven years. Um, I 98 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 1: really decided we only live once. Uh, it's not addressed rehearsal, 99 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,559 Speaker 1: and if you want to make time for the things 100 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: that you really love, UM, do it now. So I 101 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: kind of set my life up in a way where 102 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: I could do that, and UM, it's what I've been 103 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: focused on quite seriously for the last six or seven years. Now. 104 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I love the thing you said about photographs 105 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: having different layers. I think that's so beautiful. And when 106 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: you do look at really really great photographs, there's just 107 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: so many dimensions of them. Have you always photographed people 108 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: or have you photographed landscapes in the same way? Do 109 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: you have a preference between the two. There are so 110 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: many things that that interests me, and it's hard hard 111 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: to choose, you know, what I might like best. But 112 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: if you if you're looking at the world through a 113 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: lens of would that make a good photograph or if 114 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: you're attracted to things that just have a a compelling interest. 115 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I've photographed landscapes, to people, macro photography, um, 116 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: whatever it is that attracts me, I'm thinking through a 117 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: certain lens. That my photography mentor and friend, John part 118 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: of pillow Um told me years ago. He and I 119 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: actually went on a trip to Cuba together and we 120 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: documented it was one of my first art exhibits. He 121 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: and John and I did uh. We documented um for 122 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: a month. We traveled. We basically rented a car and 123 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: a translator and we drove through Cuba UM. And so 124 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: what I learned from John is whatever you're taking what 125 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: makes a great photograph or three things. It's composition, lighting, 126 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: and emotion. And that was so clarifying for me. And 127 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: if you think about it, there's so many areas that 128 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: in life, just in our world from the macro level. 129 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I've taken photographs of insects that to me 130 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: convey those three things or that embody, those three things. 131 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, that photograph is telling me something. What 132 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: is what is that little bug or grasshopper trying to 133 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: tell me there? But um but uh but yeah, so landscapes, people. 134 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: What I learned from John too just being around him, Um, 135 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: you learn just soaking in what a what a master 136 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: photographer can do in the world and how he operates. 137 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: And I really studied, um for a month, Um how 138 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: how to photograph people, strangers and take portraits in the street. Um. 139 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: So that really informs how how I take photographs now. 140 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: And of course as we all evolve, you would know 141 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: if you look back ten years ago, how how has 142 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: your art changed? How have your your songs, the writing, 143 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: the content you you become hopefully you know, richer and 144 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: more involved and and more nuanced and what you're presenting. 145 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: And I like to think some of some of my 146 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: photographs are leaning in that direction. But I'm always trying 147 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: to improve, I'm always trying to change. I'm always trying 148 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: to tell a story in a different way, UM, with 149 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: different layers. You know. The photographs with meaning are the 150 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: ones that UM are the ones that are more compelling 151 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: to me, whether I'm looking at them as a viewer 152 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: or UM, or the ones that I attempt to create 153 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: myself to tell a story. I don't know if I 154 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: answered your question. I tend to say I think I 155 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: think that's beautiful, and I think it's actually kind of interesting. 156 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: When you said composition, lighting and emotion, I would definitely 157 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: say that I do the same thing as a songwriter, 158 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: and lighting would just be capturing it or recording it, 159 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: you know. But but um, and and really you could 160 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: take that metaphor to life, like when we really see 161 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: ourselves as like living in the moment of where we 162 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: are in our lives. That is like really fully understanding 163 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: the composition the lighting. If that's a metaphor to like 164 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: where you are and what's around you and and the 165 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: emotion of it. Um, How did you get involved with 166 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: the scene project? Was this your idea? How how did 167 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: he even come to be yeah. I yeah, There's so 168 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: many ways to approach this, and I've thought about it 169 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: a lot, because you know, with some of the press 170 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: that we've been getting, people been asking me that question, 171 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: and it it it It comes from, I guess uh 172 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: an awareness of where we are individually and then where 173 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: we are in our culture. There's always this interaction. And 174 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, with this idea that you don't put your 175 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: toe in the same river twice, everything is always changing. 176 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: So you think you go to the same place and 177 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: you put your toe in, you're different. The river is different. 178 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: And I think growing up um boys and girls in 179 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: this culture, maybe in cultures all over the world, you 180 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: just have this sense that bad things happen out there 181 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: in the world, and you think, well, why why does 182 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: this happen? Why does this have to happen? Is this 183 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: human nature? Or is there something about the cues that 184 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: we get from media or institutions or religion or things 185 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: that inform the relationships between people that fuel this kind 186 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: of crime, this interaction, this horribly intimate violence that occurs 187 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: two people. And it's always been a question for me 188 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: as to why does this have to happen? Why do 189 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: why do people have to treat each other this way, 190 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: and why do we have to take it for granted? 191 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: And so growing up, you just you hear stories, you 192 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: see things in the media. You know, um, I always 193 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: loved James Bonds, particularly you know, uh Sean Connery. You know, 194 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: growing up, it's like, oh my god, James, and that 195 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: is the that is the prototypical male figure that every 196 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: guy wants to be, you know. But then as you 197 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: experience things and hear stories, you look back on that art, 198 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: on those films and you go, wow, well, jeez, James 199 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: Bond is kind of a rapist. You know, he's kind 200 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: of a he He assaults women, you know, he hits them, 201 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: He beats them up and and then you and then 202 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: they succumb. You know, that whole dynamic of of the 203 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: the man and how seduction occurs, the inter relation, and 204 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: and that gets into issues of consent. And you know, 205 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: it's just this this muddy water that people are saturated 206 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: with and they then suddenly just said, well, this is 207 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: how it is. This is normal stuff. But I totally agree. 208 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: I think that the the media portrays the relation between 209 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: two people is really scary, because you're right, it blurs 210 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: the lines of consent. And it and it essentially, you know, 211 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: makes it feel so Hollywood that it's like okay, well 212 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: wait no, there, that's not okay. That's not okay. And 213 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: in a lot of movies as sexy as a James 214 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: Bond plot can can feel, Um, yeah, it's it's scary. 215 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: How commonplace, Um that dynamic is getting Yeah, it's it's 216 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: it's commonplace. We take it for granted. We we established 217 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: that it's our our baseline for what normal is, and 218 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: and then nothing is done. But yet there there are 219 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: victims at every turn, and it happens to friends and family, 220 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, mother's daughters, sons, and fathers. It happens to everyone. 221 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: And one of the of you know, misconceptions I think, 222 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: um that people assume about this is that it's well, 223 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: it certainly is mostly women that this happens to, but 224 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: it happens to men as well. And I think the 225 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: support systems for for men, uh, they're getting more robust, certainly, 226 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: but there's still there's still a stigma associated to two 227 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: men that you know, well, why did you let this 228 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: happen to you? You know, you're not a real man, 229 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: and so there's like this double victimization and men tend 230 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: not to come forward because of the added layer of shame, 231 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: as shameful it is for for everybody. You know that 232 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: I think the suicide rate for for men that this 233 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: happens to is much higher uh than people would would expect. 234 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: And there's so yeah, yeah, so, and I need to 235 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: check the numbers on that, but that that's something that 236 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: that I had heard repeatedly over the years. But anyhow, UM, 237 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: the long answer that I'm giving you is uh to 238 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: to reel it back in. Um. You know. I started 239 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: thinking about about this and a friend of mine told 240 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: me about a situation that happened. She was assaulted by 241 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: a client that she had seen as a massage therapist. 242 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: She did this sort of specialized massage um that she 243 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: had training for for years, and she was drugged and 244 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: assaulted and when she woke up, there was no question 245 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: what had happened. And at that time I was thinking 246 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: about my life differently about photography, and I was actually 247 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: sort of looking for this confluence of um of of 248 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: challenging art project that had meaning, that something that would 249 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: connect to not just people in a way, but to 250 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: some larger social discussion. And so these three things coming together, 251 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: I thought well, gosh, this is a little scary to 252 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: even contemplate. Know, how would I even go approach? How 253 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: would I even go about doing this? And um, so 254 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: with with my friend who told me this story, and 255 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: and another person, I thought, all right, I'm gonna take 256 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: another step. So I put a little pitch email together 257 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: and send it to Rachel Freeman at the Sexual Assault Center. 258 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: It was the main resource for sexual assault victims and 259 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: survivors in Nashville. And I didn't hear back from her 260 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: for a few weeks. Oh my god, this is really bad. 261 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: You know, I just realized nonprofits are you know, just 262 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: very very busy and very particularly at the top, and 263 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: scarce resources. So anyhow, she finally got back to me. 264 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: She left a lovely, very supportive message and just said, 265 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: come on in and let's talk more. That sounds interesting. 266 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: And after the first meeting they said, we're in. Let's 267 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: what's the next step. Let's create this together. So it 268 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: became a collaboration between Assault Center, myself, and each individual survivor. 269 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: That's so beautiful. That's so beautiful. So where are proceeds 270 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: to the scene project going? So all of the proceeds 271 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: go to the Sexual Assault Center we worked out an 272 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: arrangement where they're commissioned me for um the photography and 273 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: the design of the book. And we've released the collection, 274 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: or let's say, the majority of the collection at Scene 275 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: survivors dot org UM and so we have portions of 276 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: each story there, we have the photographs, and then for 277 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: the book, we're going to have two more portraits UM 278 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: and two more stories that will be included in the 279 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: book once it's published, an exclusive and exclusive version in 280 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: the book. And the book is coming soon, right, Yeah, 281 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: in a few months, totally, in a few months. That's beautiful. 282 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: I mean I was recently introduced to Nashville's Sexual Assault 283 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: Center via this project. I was surprised to not know 284 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: that it even existed. I mean, as a survivor living 285 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: in Nashville, UM, I just think it's amazing that we 286 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: have a place like the Sexual Assault Center. So that's 287 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: why it was so important to me to help raise 288 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: awareness to it. In the minute I met Dan and 289 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: heard about the Scene project and heard about its connection 290 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: to the Sexual Assault Center, I was like, wow, this 291 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: is incredible. For those of you that don't know, the 292 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: Sexual Assault Center also known as the s A c 293 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: UM and Nashville was started in nine by to Vanderbilt 294 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: University divinity students who saw a need to help victims 295 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: of rape and sexual abuse. Their vision was to provide 296 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: support to all survivors of sexual assault and to work 297 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: to end sexual violence. S a C's mission today reflects 298 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: our founder's vision um to provide healing for children, adults, 299 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: and families affected by sexual assault and to end sexual 300 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: violence through counceling, education, and advocacy. UM. You can learn 301 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: more about the s a C at s a C 302 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: Center dot org. But I just have to say that 303 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: like the fact that we have a place like the 304 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: s a C in Nashville is incredible. They have a 305 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: twenty four our clinic open that if there is a 306 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: survivor or a sexual assault victim that something unfortunately happens to, 307 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: there is a hotline they can call seven. They can 308 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: come and get you know, looked at by a nurse 309 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: or a doctor and make sure that they are all right, 310 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: you know, to deal with shock and potentially deal with 311 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: anything else. UM. I just love that aspect as well 312 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: as the counseling side, the education side, the advocacy advocacy side. 313 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: It's just such an incredible place so, um, if you 314 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: want to learn more about the s a C Center, 315 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: please go check it out. But um, they are a 316 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: great organization. Yeah, it really really are. Yeah, Dan, how 317 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: did you find all of the survivors that wanted to 318 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: be involved? So that was a combination of avenues. I 319 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: would say, I knew a couple of people. Um, the 320 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: first or the next layer, I would say, came from 321 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: Sexual Assault Center and the folks there approached some uh clients, 322 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: um were actually employees who had been clients at some point, 323 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: and we started taking a couple of steps. I said, 324 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: let's do one, let's do one photo shoot and we'll 325 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: see how it goes. So we did the first and 326 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: it turned out really well. The experience was was I think, 327 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: really good on on all sides. And so we got 328 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: a couple more names and so, um we did it 329 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: that way, and then I started reaching out in my circles. Um. 330 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: We had an intentionality to the project. We wanted to 331 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: be inclusive of every type of person that this would 332 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: happen to. So we wanted to include you know, the 333 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: breadth of of our friends and family from you know, 334 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: old and young and um, the LGBT community. We wanted 335 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: to include um, you know, all races and folks that 336 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: that people might just stop and think, wow, this covers 337 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: the breadth of all of our friends and neighbors. So 338 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: that was that was really important to us, the diversity 339 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: and um I uh. And so over time we we 340 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: we got up to I think we have sixteen now 341 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: seventeen actually folks that are that are going to be 342 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: that are going to be in the book. And so 343 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: I just reached out and I found I found you 344 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: with a Google search and so grateful. There's so many 345 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: questions that I had after our shoot actually that you 346 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: may or may not want to um share a talk about. 347 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: But going into that situation, having never met in person before, 348 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: we talked and zoomed of course, but when we actually 349 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: met in person, my heart was just racing because I thought, oh, 350 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: and it's true with everybody I met, it's like, what 351 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: what how do we approach this in a way that 352 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: isn't a trigger? You know, and your shoot was particularly 353 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: sensitive because of of where you chose. Yeah, I mean, Dan, 354 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: you can you can ask me anything. I'm I'm at 355 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: this point just an open book. That's the way I 356 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: lived my life. But but yeah, so Dan reached out 357 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: to me. I think it was originally like an Instagram 358 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: message or something, and I was like, Okay, tell me 359 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: more about this, and so we all got on the 360 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: phone and um, and when he was talking about the 361 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: scene project, and was like, okay, well, where do you 362 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: think you would like to take your picture, Lindsay, And 363 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I just and immediately, the only 364 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: thing that popped into my head was, well, it should 365 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: be at the house where my second attack happened, which 366 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: is in Nashville. And um, I won't even say what 367 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: neighborhood it's in, but but it's in a neighborhood that 368 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: I have had to drive around the streets around this 369 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: house for years. I've been living in Nashville for ten years. 370 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: And I couldn't remember, um, what, you know, my my 371 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: second attack. I couldn't remember what his face looked like, 372 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: what his name was. Um, you know, I was. I 373 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,239 Speaker 1: was drugged as well, and it was a lot more 374 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: violent than my first attack. But um, but I couldn't 375 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: remember any of those things. However, I could remember the house, 376 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: and I could remember, you know, standing on that street 377 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: corner after it happened, just feeling completely lost and dirty 378 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: and alone. And not knowing what happened and violated and 379 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: and um, I know this is getting really real. But um, 380 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: but when when you asked me, Dan, where should we 381 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: take that picture? It was the only location that popped 382 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: in my head. And I was like, goodness, gracious, lines, 383 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: you can't you can't find like a strong location anywhere else. 384 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: And and yet I have to say that there was 385 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 1: a very important process in my healing journey because I 386 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: think that we're constantly healing through our traumas, throughout our 387 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: whole lives. I don't think that the healing ever stops 388 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: to a certain extent. But um, but there was a 389 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: very important part of my healing journey going back to 390 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,239 Speaker 1: that house and facing my fears and being able to 391 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: stand on that front porch being like, Okay, I'm stronger now. 392 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 1: We can't always control the things that happened to us, 393 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: but we can control how we deal with them, how 394 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: we react to them, our attitude towards those things, and 395 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: being able to stand on that porch. And you know, 396 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: we we took um the pictures during golden hours, so 397 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 1: you know, there was there was sun, and there were 398 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: shadows and there was all this like light in darkness, 399 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: and I was able to like stand there in strength, 400 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: being like, Okay, this happened years ago, but I am 401 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: now back at the same place it happened, and and 402 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: it it just I don't know. It was a very 403 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: important turning point for me. So thank you honestly for 404 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: for letting me face that fear and give me the 405 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: bravery to do that. Did all survivors go back to 406 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: that vulnerable level location? Potentially? Did any other survivor go 407 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: back to where something happened? Yes, and um to to 408 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: add just a tad to our shoot, I was inside 409 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: of myself. Part of the reason my heart was racing 410 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: is because I knew the significance of this location, and 411 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: I was looking for signs in you of maybe maybe 412 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: it was too much. Maybe it was and I could 413 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: tell that it was somewhat battling. But I was so 414 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: inspired and impressed with how you kind of sat in 415 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: that moment and you experienced it. We did the shoot. 416 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: You took a deep breath, and it felt for me 417 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: watching this sort of unfold and capturing some of these moments, 418 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: it felt for me like it was it was a 419 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: a genuine like a Catharsis or it was a pivotal 420 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: moment for you, and hearing you say this is sort 421 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: of um exciting and inspiring because we've never talked about 422 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: it in this detail before. Thank you for sharing all that. 423 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: Of course, Well, I remember the moment. Sorry to cut 424 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: you off, but I remember the moment sitting in my 425 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: car and at that point I hadn't met you in 426 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: person yet, we had sat on zoom. But um, I 427 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: remember sitting in my car looking at the house, watching 428 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: you set up and being like, oh my goodness, here 429 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: we go. And I was like taking deep breaths, and 430 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: I was parked across the street, and I was just like, 431 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: can I do this? This is this is scary. But 432 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: I truly believe Eve that the only way to face 433 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: our fears is to do it and to show up 434 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: and to and to put yourself in that spot, because otherwise, 435 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: if we just constantly avoid the things that we're afraid of, 436 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: or the emotions were afraid to to to experience, or 437 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: the people were afraid to confront. You know, if if 438 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: we live a life constantly in avoidance and procrastination, we're 439 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: never going to get anywhere. And if anything, avoidance and 440 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: procrastination just builds up into these bigger, deeper voids in 441 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: our life and and so um so yeah, yeah that 442 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: what you just said is really it and it's really 443 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: one of the main um, I guess drivers of the 444 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: project is that the sooner people talk about this in 445 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: a in an in an environment that's supportive, you'll find 446 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: your community. You'll find your support as soon as you 447 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: shed light on it, and it's it's you can start 448 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: the healing sooner. You know it's going to be a 449 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: struggle for everybody, But the sooner you talk about it 450 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: in a community that has uh the supportive resources or 451 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: at least people that listen and validate and and acknowledge 452 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: what has happened, the sooner you can heal and live 453 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: your life. And the step that you took incredible courage. 454 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: There are two other people that in in this collection 455 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: that that lean towards a similar sort of environment. One 456 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: was Jenna. Her story is in the book. She's also 457 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: a tremendous songwriter, um beautiful voice. She's in the book, 458 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: and she wanted to be photographed in her apartment in 459 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: the bed that this happened. It was sort of a date, 460 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: a date rape situation and took her completely by surprise 461 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: and UM, but she has to live in this apartment. 462 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: She couldn't move or didn't move. Yeah, I know. Yeah 463 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: so her yeah says smudge that. Yeah, so she's been 464 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: she's been doing that work for a long time and it, 465 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, from our shoot, there was clearly some anxiety. 466 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: She UM, you know, powered through it and UM. I 467 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: haven't had this detailed a conversation with her, but it's 468 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: my understanding what she said that she had a similar 469 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: sort of catharsis and UM. She had also filmed UM. 470 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: You know, she's in the entertainment business, so she had 471 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: used that setting for a song UM that she had 472 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: wrote as well. But the third person UM was a 473 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: woman named Hannah and her story is just devastating. It's 474 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: detailed in in the book. But she was trafficked UM 475 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: on Murphy'sboro Road in Nashville first seven in her eight 476 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: years and it just did in the last UM a 477 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: few years. She's come out of it through work at 478 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: the Sexual Assault Center, got tremendous therapy and UM she 479 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: was able to go back to the place of her 480 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: tract trafficking and UM take photographs that when she saw them, 481 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: it made me feel good as you know, to capture 482 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: these moments where people can see themselves in the way 483 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: that they would that they feel inside, but the world 484 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: doesn't see them that way or um, you know, they 485 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: look at themselves. And she asked me, she just do 486 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: you see me that way? And I said, yes, you know, 487 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: strong and beautiful, um. And the picture that we captured, 488 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: um is really really strong. And it's just for an artist, 489 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: for a photographer, if you can have that sort of impact, 490 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: it is the best feeling in the world really to 491 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: to And I'm sure as a songwriter, people come to 492 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: through through your song, uh and and make you and 493 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: they say, you know this, this really helped me heal. 494 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: These are the kinds of I mean, it's the best feeling, 495 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: isn't it. It's really the best feeling. And I love 496 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: hearing you say that down. I mean, that's just so beautiful. 497 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: It goes to show you the power of a picture 498 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: and the power of a song, you know, the power 499 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: of art in general, being able to capture like these 500 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: multidimensional feelings and also let people feel seen again for 501 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: lack of a better word, but like be able to 502 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: bring up in spotlight those emotions that are very difficult 503 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: and fragile and delicate to show in a in a 504 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: normal human world that we live in every day. You know, 505 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: I love when you said the scene project focuses on 506 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: victim survivors at whatever stage they are at in their 507 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: healing again too, like find the right photograph or find 508 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: the right story. You know, maybe this happened a long 509 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: time ago and somebody has been able to get lots 510 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: of therapy from it and and feels strong and feels 511 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 1: confident to stand in a place of Okay, this happened 512 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: to me, but but I'm owning it as part of 513 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: my story and it's made me into who I am, 514 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: and I'm somewhere in the midst of that world. But 515 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: maybe this has either happened more recently, or maybe this 516 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: this has happened to somebody who hasn't even ever told 517 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: a soul and you were one of the first people 518 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: that that they shared their story with, and you not 519 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: only took photographs of everyone, but you also had to 520 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: interview them and learn about their story to be able 521 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: to write about it a little bit. And so were 522 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: there any people that you talked to that ended up 523 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: either not being able to do it or just having really, 524 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: really tough days and not being able to to go 525 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: some places. That's a good question. Um. Not explicitly that 526 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: I that I know of. There were a few people 527 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: that we had approached that ended up not doing it 528 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: for one reason or another. Um. But there were a few. 529 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: Most of the time people that I had met with 530 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: an s A. C. Had met with, they said I'm 531 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm in, and I would say nine percent or just 532 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: a hand uh, maybe two or three folks that who 533 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: we had approached we thought we'd do a shoot with 534 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: ended up not doing it. But it's it's expected, and 535 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: it's fraught, and I would totally understand. And one of 536 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: the things I said, I said, at any point, if 537 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: you feel like you you don't want to do this 538 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: right up into the day, um, this is your story 539 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: and it will be totally fine. And we want to 540 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: make sure that that one you're you feel comfortable, you're 541 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: in a safe advironment, Bring a friend, you know, bring 542 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: bring a loved one with you to the shoot um 543 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: um And And some people did, some people didn't. But UM. 544 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: We wanted people to just know that they were that 545 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: they were listened to, they were seeing validate did um 546 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: and and supported in the way at every step, during 547 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: during the pre interview, which was very important, and then 548 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: during the shoot itself, and then in all the follow up. 549 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: We wanted to make sure that the stories that were 550 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: written about them were absolutely true, that there were no 551 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: triggers in there. That so it went through several filters 552 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: and we're still sort of in that process to make 553 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: sure that we're being absolutely true to their stories and 554 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: that they're presented to the world for all time in 555 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: the way that represents where they are now. That was 556 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: absolutely essential to the heart of the story. And yeah, 557 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: go ahead, No, I think that's so beautiful. I mean again, 558 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: this this project is very powerful and even just getting 559 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, these groups, this group of strangers and humans together. UM, 560 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: I almost would love to, like, I don't even know 561 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: if it would be pas stable for us to all 562 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: get together in person, to be able to be like, wow, 563 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: we're all a part of this. UM. I need to 564 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: ask you, Okay, you've you've collected all these photographs, these stories. 565 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: You know, we we have the website which we will 566 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: definitely post up. The book is on its way. Where 567 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: do you hope the scene project goes from here? Uh? Yeah, 568 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: another great question. I think you know it started, It's 569 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: just a couple of portraits when I UM approached S 570 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: A C. You know, sort of UM a pro bono 571 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: project initially, and then it evolved into something different as 572 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: it grew, it got broader and bigger, and it still 573 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: continues to evolve. So we expect that S A C. 574 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: And it was commissioned, so they're gonna essentially take the 575 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: ball from here once the book is published. I'm gonna 576 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: be available for UM, you know, talks as needed and 577 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: these kinds of things. I've got other projects in the 578 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: pipeline and I'm thrilled that they want me to be 579 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: UM as involved as I am at this level to 580 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: tell help tell the stories. But UM, i'd really really 581 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: imagine that that survivors will be guests on podcasts, that 582 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: they will share their stories that UM the book will 583 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: be used to UM in public forums to uh talk 584 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: about key issues like uh like consent, which is really 585 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: the heart of everything, about other cultural issues that are 586 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: tied in how is it that little boys grow up 587 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: with a certain mentality about about women and why is 588 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: it that women feel like this is the you know, 589 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 1: this is okay or they rationalize it. You know, those 590 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: really the d n a of of why all this happens. 591 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm hoping this book will help stimulate those discussions and 592 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: then also also maybe um inspire people that haven't shared 593 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: these worries to to finally do so. And one really 594 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: unexpected aspect of this is that when I would have 595 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: a pre interview with a potential participant, I would find 596 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: out later that they hadn't shared any of it with 597 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: their family. Yeah, and it was very very common to 598 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: my experience as well as well as when you were 599 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: talking about trafficking, I was fuloored to hear, like how 600 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: trafficking is such a commonplace issue around our own cities 601 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 1: and towns, like right around the corner from where we live, 602 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: from where anybody lives, Like, trafficking is far more of 603 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: an issue than we even want to admit. And it's 604 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: a very difficult thing to talk about, and especially sex 605 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: trafficking for kids like it. It's just a really hard 606 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: thing to even wrap your head around. But um, but 607 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: this happens often, and um and and there are a 608 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 1: lot of survivors who are out there and who need help. 609 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: And so Dan, I just commend you. I commend you 610 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: for coming up with the idea for the Scene Project, 611 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: for bringing it to you know, the s A C 612 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: Center in Nashville, and Um, thank you so much for 613 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: letting me be a part of this. If if people 614 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: want to check out the Scene Project, please go to 615 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: Scene Survivors dot com. That's s E N Survivors dot com. 616 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 1: And if you want to learn more about the Nashville 617 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: Sexual Assault Center, that's s A Center dot org so 618 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: SA Center dot org. UM. I can't thank you enough 619 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: Dan for being on this episode with me today. I 620 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: want to remind all of you that I will be 621 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: back on Friday's episode of The Edge. UM. I totally 622 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 1: agree with Kelly that everyone has a little bit of 623 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: velvet and also a little bit of edge. UM. And 624 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: as Kelly and Ship, I was like to say, remember 625 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: when you're living on the edge, always remember to act casual. 626 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Jan, Thank you Lindsay. It's been 627 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: a pleasure. I really appreciate you. Happ me on. We'll 628 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: see you soon, all right, take care. Thanks for listening 629 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: to The Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, where we 630 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: believe everyone has a little velvet and a little edge. 631 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. 632 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: Search Velvet's Edge. Wherever you get your podcasts