WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Heidi Planck

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. On Sunday, October seventeenth, twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>a thirty nine year old mother of one named Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>Plank was starting her day. Heidi was leaving her rented

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<v Speaker 1>townhouse on the west side of Los Angeles near Culver City.

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<v Speaker 1>She was on her way to watch her eleven year

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<v Speaker 1>old son Bond play football. Heidi, by the way, was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge James Bond fan, so that's how she chose

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<v Speaker 1>her son's and her dog's names based on the Double

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<v Speaker 1>O seven theme. So her son was Bond and her

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<v Speaker 1>labradoodle was seven like Double oh seven. Surveillance camera footage

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<v Speaker 1>from outside Heidie's house showed her walking out the door.

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<v Speaker 1>She was dressed in jeans and a white T shirt

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<v Speaker 1>with a smiley face on it. She had a sweater

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<v Speaker 1>tied around her waist and it was described in the

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<v Speaker 1>media as gray, but it was actually more like a

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<v Speaker 1>grayish color, kind of a gray beige. Heidie was petite,

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<v Speaker 1>she had long blonde hair. She was he was five

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<v Speaker 1>foot three and was carrying a purse with her. She

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<v Speaker 1>was holding a cup of coffee in one hand, and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>her dog, was on his leash walking behind her. She

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<v Speaker 1>put seven in the car and climbed behind the wheel

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<v Speaker 1>of the silver range Rover with a license plate U

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<v Speaker 1>eight four zero XO, and drove away. Heidi was divorced

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<v Speaker 1>from Bond's father. Her ex husband, a sixty three year

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<v Speaker 1>old hairstylist named Jim Wayne. Jim had a salon in

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly Hills. Jim and Heidi were married in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight, but they divorced four years later, and at

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<v Speaker 1>the time Heidi went missing, they shared custody of Bond.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim told police that the last time he saw Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>was when she showed up to her son's football game

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<v Speaker 1>that afternoon. The game, by the way, was in Downy,

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<v Speaker 1>which was around seventeen miles from Heidie's home, so it

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<v Speaker 1>would have taken her around half an hour to get

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<v Speaker 1>there from the townhouse. Several witnesses saw Heidi at that

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<v Speaker 1>game and interacted with her. Jim said that she seemed

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit on edge when she left the game

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<v Speaker 1>at halftime, which was around four thirty PM, but there

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing that seemed extremely out of the ordinary until

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<v Speaker 1>they were looking at these events in hindsight. It was

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<v Speaker 1>Jim's weekend with Bond, so Jim and Bond went home

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<v Speaker 1>after the game. Heidi and Jim got along well. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though there had been some rocky moments in their divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>they apparently had had a good co parenting relationship for

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<v Speaker 1>several years. When Heidi left the game, she told her

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<v Speaker 1>son that she would call him later, But even though

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<v Speaker 1>Heidi always talked to her son every single day, she

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<v Speaker 1>never called him. In fact, Bond never talked to his

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<v Speaker 1>mother again because that day Heidi Plank vanished, and after

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<v Speaker 1>she disappeared, it did not take long for rumors to

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<v Speaker 1>start flying about her ex husband Jim, about her boss,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Sugarman, about her boss's links to big money and

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<v Speaker 1>powerful people in Los Angeles. In fact, to me, when

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<v Speaker 1>I first saw Heidi on the news and I about

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<v Speaker 1>this case, it seemed like a real life version of

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<v Speaker 1>the movie Chinatown. It's now been over two years since

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<v Speaker 1>Heidi plant disappeared. There's been no sign of Heidi and

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<v Speaker 1>no sign of her body. All we have are some

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<v Speaker 1>rumors about an apartment building in downtown Los Angeles and

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<v Speaker 1>a devastated little boy without a mother. I'm Catherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a case you'd like me and my

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<v Speaker 1>team to look into, you can reach out to us

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<v Speaker 1>at our Helen Gone Murder line at six seven eight

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<v Speaker 1>seven four four six one four five. That's six seven

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<v Speaker 1>eight seven four four six one four five. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Helen Gone Murder Line. Heidi Plank was originally from New

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<v Speaker 1>York State. She was born and raised in Buffalo. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one, she moved to California and went

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<v Speaker 1>to California State University. Before we dive into Heidie's work life,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to follow the natural trajectory of the police

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<v Speaker 1>investigation and take a look at her relationship with her

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<v Speaker 1>ex husband, Jim, because, as we all know, in any investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially if there is a contentious divorce, police are

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<v Speaker 1>always looking at x'es. I actually did an episode of

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<v Speaker 1>another podcast called Blood Money, it's about white collar criminals

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<v Speaker 1>and con artists who kill about this case back in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, so I want to take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at what has changed since then. So of course police

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<v Speaker 1>want to know about Heidie's relationship with her ex husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim and Heidi seem to have a friendly relationship, but

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<v Speaker 1>according to court records, they had had some issues over

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<v Speaker 1>the years. Court filing show they had had a battle

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<v Speaker 1>for custody in the past, and at one point Jim

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<v Speaker 1>had full custody of their son, and Jim had accused

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<v Speaker 1>Heidie of drug abuse. Jim also made some comments to

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<v Speaker 1>the media after Heidi went missing about how they had

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<v Speaker 1>what he called different parenting styles. He said something about

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<v Speaker 1>how Heidi was more permissive than he was, which did

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<v Speaker 1>lead a lot of people to wonder what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on at home to make him say that. But in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to Jim's movements all week and long being confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>by police, everyone who was close to Heidi said that

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<v Speaker 1>her relationship with Jim had been good for some time.

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<v Speaker 1>The last text between Jim and Heidi were not contentious.

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<v Speaker 1>They were warm. Heidi was thanking Jim for all that

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<v Speaker 1>he did for their son. Jim told police that he

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<v Speaker 1>and his son last heard from Heidi at around seven

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<v Speaker 1>pm that night, October seventeenth. Heidi had responded to one

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<v Speaker 1>of her son's texts about the football game. Heidie's son

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<v Speaker 1>sent another text a little while later, talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>play he made, but this time Heidi didn't respond. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the last time that Heidie's son ever heard

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<v Speaker 1>from her. Jim and his son were worried for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the weekend, but Heidi was obviously an adult.

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<v Speaker 1>She was single and dating and had her own life.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim told reporters, though, that Heidi never failed to respond

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<v Speaker 1>to her son, no matter what was going on in

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<v Speaker 1>her personal life or how busy she was, she always

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<v Speaker 1>made time for him. Actually looking at the court records

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<v Speaker 1>that document the text messages that Heidie's son sent to

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<v Speaker 1>her is heartbreaking. On October eighteenth, at seven thirty one pm,

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<v Speaker 1>Heidi's son wrote in a text message, can you please

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<v Speaker 1>call me back? I called you two days in a

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<v Speaker 1>row and you haven't picked up. By Monday morning, Jim

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<v Speaker 1>and his son still had not heard from Heidi. That afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>Heidie's son texted again, please call or just text me

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<v Speaker 1>because I want to make sure you're okay and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>worried about you. Then he sent another text that read,

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<v Speaker 1>please call mom. I miss you and I'm worried about you.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, October twentieth, was the day when Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to pick her son up at school, but

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<v Speaker 1>she never showed up. Jim reported Heidi missing. At some point,

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<v Speaker 1>he went into Heidie's townhouse with a friend of hers.

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<v Speaker 1>They found Heidi's work laptop there and her work phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim took the laptop and the phone. Now he did

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<v Speaker 1>turn over the laptop and phone to law enforcement, but

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<v Speaker 1>apparently it took a few days. And at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people on online comment boards are of

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<v Speaker 1>course asking if he's so worried about her, why would

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<v Speaker 1>he wait. But Heidi was an adult, so she probably

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<v Speaker 1>was not an immediate priority for the police. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>in every missing person's investigation, every single decision anyone makes

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<v Speaker 1>is under a microscope. But in my opinion, and according

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<v Speaker 1>to all evidence that has come out, Jim Wayne was

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<v Speaker 1>totally believable, and Jim, to his credit, immediately went to

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<v Speaker 1>the police. As we've said, Heidi was an adult. So

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<v Speaker 1>if Jim had any reason to want to wait so

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation would not start immediately, he probably could have,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not what he did. He went to her house,

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<v Speaker 1>he told friends he was calling people. He immediately called

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<v Speaker 1>the police. He insisted that they investigate, and he commented

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<v Speaker 1>to the media. Police talked to Heidi's family. Her mom

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<v Speaker 1>told them the same thing Jim had. Heidi had been

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<v Speaker 1>behaving normally. She was planning a vacation to New York

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<v Speaker 1>to visit her mom for Thanksgiving, so she was happy

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<v Speaker 1>and she was making future plans. Police figured out no

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<v Speaker 1>one had heard from Heidi at all since October seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>so they started asking logically about Heidie's love life. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>at that time, Heidi had been seeing someone who lived

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<v Speaker 1>in northern California. He was a Silicon Valley executive who

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<v Speaker 1>worked for the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, the philanthropic arm of Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>which is now Meta. Police tracked down Haidie's boyfriend, who,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, was completely cooperative. He was verifiably somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>else on the day when Hidi went missing, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was cleared very quickly by law enforcement. But this man

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<v Speaker 1>did tell the police something interesting. He said that Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>had sent him a text asking him to come down

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<v Speaker 1>to LA because she said she was afraid of something.

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<v Speaker 1>But this guy was unable to make the trip, so

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<v Speaker 1>actually he told police at first, after Heidie disappeared, he

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<v Speaker 1>thought that maybe she was annoyed with him for not

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<v Speaker 1>coming to LA, so maybe she was ghosting him. So

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<v Speaker 1>now the police kind of hit a dead end because

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<v Speaker 1>if this wasn't an X, then it wasn't a current.

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<v Speaker 1>Really relationship. Who else would have a motive to want

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<v Speaker 1>to hurt Heidi. Meanwhile, Jim Wayne, Heidie's ex husband, was

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<v Speaker 1>playing detective and tracking down his own leads. He got

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<v Speaker 1>the ven number for Heidie's Range Rover, but according to

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<v Speaker 1>court documents, her location services wasn't on. He tried to

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<v Speaker 1>find my phone feature on iPhone and Apple Watch, but

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<v Speaker 1>those had also been turned off. At this point, Jim

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<v Speaker 1>told the media he was starting to suspect this could

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<v Speaker 1>be something that was planned. He believed this was not

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<v Speaker 1>a random disappearance, and he mentioned the legal troubles that

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<v Speaker 1>Heidie's boss, Jason Sugarman, had been having. Then there was

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<v Speaker 1>another big break in the case. Jim checked the text

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<v Speaker 1>messages on Heidie's phone, the one he had access to,

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<v Speaker 1>and he found messages from a couple who lived in

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<v Speaker 1>a luxury building in downtown LA and this couple said

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<v Speaker 1>that they had Heidie's dog. The people who found seven

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<v Speaker 1>lived in the Hope Flower Building in downtown Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>located at twelve oh one South Hope Street. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into the history of the building in a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but basically it's one of these luxury downtown high rises

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<v Speaker 1>that have sprung up over the last couple decades in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles. It bills itself as a luxury high rise

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<v Speaker 1>with rooftop views and a lot of amenities. But a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of residents have complained over the years that the

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<v Speaker 1>developers have neglected this building, that there's trash in the hallways,

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<v Speaker 1>dog poop everywhere, and management that is unresponsive. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about just a couple of complaints. If you

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<v Speaker 1>look at yelper views, there are hundreds of complaints on

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<v Speaker 1>there from current and former tenants. So there's something strange

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<v Speaker 1>going on in that building in my opinion. But getting

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<v Speaker 1>back to Heidi, this couple said that around seven pm

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<v Speaker 1>on the evening of October seventeenth. Now remember this was

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<v Speaker 1>just a few hours after the game, and right after

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<v Speaker 1>Bond got that last text from Heidie's phone, they said

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<v Speaker 1>they found the dog seven roaming the hallway of that building.

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<v Speaker 1>Some reports said that the dog was on the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>ninth floor, others said the twenty eighth, but whichever it was,

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<v Speaker 1>Heidi was not with seven. Jim went to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>seven and brought him home. And since I know that

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<v Speaker 1>people will ask, and I'm also an animal lover, I

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<v Speaker 1>will tell you all right now, the dog is absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>fine and apparently doing well. So what was Heidi doing

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<v Speaker 1>at the Hope and Flower Building. Jim and her friends

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<v Speaker 1>said they weren't aware of anyone she knew in that

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<v Speaker 1>building or any connection she had there, And even stranger

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<v Speaker 1>than that, why would she leave her dog who went

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere with her roaming the hallways. According to news reports,

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<v Speaker 1>the building management Omni Property were kind of uncooperative at first,

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<v Speaker 1>but police got a search warrant and after that, Heidie's

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<v Speaker 1>friends and family said the building did give them the

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<v Speaker 1>access they needed and became more helpful. Meanwhile, some of

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<v Speaker 1>them were wondering if the thing that Heidi had been

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of could have been connected to her job and

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<v Speaker 1>her boss, forty eight year old Jason Sugarman. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Heidi's LinkedIn page, she worked for Coldwell Banker between two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and five and twenty fifteen, then Douglas Element, so

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<v Speaker 1>she was working in real estate before she moved on

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<v Speaker 1>to her job at a company called Camden Capital Partners.

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<v Speaker 1>This was Jason Sugarman's company, and it's a company that

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<v Speaker 1>is described as quote an investment advisory firm that handles

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<v Speaker 1>wealth management and legacy planning for prominent high net worth individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>End quote. This could be completely legitimate. There are lots

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<v Speaker 1>of firms like this, but it's also very vague, and

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Sugarman would soon show up in more headlines. Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Sugarman is connected to a lot of people in power.

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<v Speaker 1>His father in law is Peter Gruber, the owner of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers, and Jason was facing some serious legal issues,

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<v Speaker 1>including federal fraud charges. He was under investigation by the

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<v Speaker 1>Securities and Exchange Commission. According to the indictment, starting in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen, Jason and his business partner Jason Galanis, stole

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<v Speaker 1>forty three million dollars from pension funds of a Native

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<v Speaker 1>American tribe of the Sioux Nation. These guys, who were

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<v Speaker 1>known in the press as the two Jasons, were apparently

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<v Speaker 1>trying to acquire this global financial conglomerate made up of

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<v Speaker 1>insurers in Europe and Bermuda, as well as some investment

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<v Speaker 1>advisors based in the United States. In twenty fourteen, Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Galanas and his father, John Galanis obtained tribal bonds. They

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<v Speaker 1>convinced the tribe they would sell them and use the

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<v Speaker 1>proceeds to invest in the tribe, but instead, according to

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<v Speaker 1>the authorities, they didn't. They just basically straight up stole

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<v Speaker 1>the money. And what's worse, this was not some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of Bernie made off type of scenario that started out

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<v Speaker 1>as a legitimate investment. According to the sec these guys

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<v Speaker 1>knew they were planning to steal right from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of a long and complicated story with

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<v Speaker 1>this money. But to sum it up, Jason Galanas and

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Sugarman were accused of stealing millions of dollars from

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<v Speaker 1>the Native American Trie Tribal Corporation and from these companies

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<v Speaker 1>they acquired. In January of twenty seventeen, Jason Galanis pled

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<v Speaker 1>guilty to criminal charges in connections with his fraud. He

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<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to one hundred and seventy three months in

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<v Speaker 1>jail the indictment read quote. Sugarman benefited immensely from the scheme. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>to a large extent, he was the biggest winner from

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<v Speaker 1>the fraud, ending up with voting control over corporate assets

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<v Speaker 1>that were acquired with bond proceeds and from which he

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately siphoned almost nine million dollars in cash for his

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<v Speaker 1>direct and personal benefit end quote. So we know Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Sugarman was accused of financial fraud. We also know that

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<v Speaker 1>he has powerful friends, including Hunter Biden. He even has

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<v Speaker 1>ties to Hunter Biden's now notorious Laptop of shame because

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<v Speaker 1>emails from that laptop, in addition to photos of Hunter

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<v Speaker 1>smoking crack and sex workers, reportedly showed that Jason was

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<v Speaker 1>a director and shareholder of a company called Burnham Financial Group.

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<v Speaker 1>If this name sounds familiar, that's because it's the same

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<v Speaker 1>group that allegedly pitched a major deal to Hunter's Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>business partners back in twenty fifteen. And one of Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Sugarman's partners who was also mentioned in that SEC indictment

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<v Speaker 1>is Devon Archer, the longtime friend and business partner of

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter Biden. Devon Archer, by the way, was convicted for

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<v Speaker 1>his involvement in that same tribal scam in twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter Biden's lawyer, by the way, has totally denied all this.

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<v Speaker 1>He said Hunter's client had nothing to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>Native American bond scheme and that the timing was just

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<v Speaker 1>a coincidence. According to the Sun newspaper, the lawyer said

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter's name had been used without his permission and that

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<v Speaker 1>he had taken steps to ensure that his business interests

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<v Speaker 1>were not associated with the defendants in the tribal bond case.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does all this have to do with Heidi Plank?

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<v Speaker 1>A woman who, by the way, had no background in

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<v Speaker 1>finance when she started working for Jason Sugarman's company. She

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<v Speaker 1>was the bookkeeper for that company. And then there's what

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<v Speaker 1>happened next Next. Jim Wayne said that on October twenty first,

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<v Speaker 1>right after Hiding went missing, he got a phone call

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<v Speaker 1>from someone at the SEC asking questions about Jason Sugarman.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it got even more bizarre. Because CBS Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles was following the story of Heidi Plank, they were

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<v Speaker 1>somehow able to acquire some surveillance video that had been

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<v Speaker 1>taken outside Heidie's house. There's video of Jason Sugarman, after

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<v Speaker 1>Hiding went missing, ringing her doorbell and then leaving muffins

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<v Speaker 1>on the doorstep. The news station says this video is

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<v Speaker 1>from a day or two after Hiding went missing. They

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<v Speaker 1>weren't more specific than that. But if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>this footage, it's odd because Jason walks up to the

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<v Speaker 1>door rings, the bell just once and then kind of

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<v Speaker 1>seems to PLoP the muffins down and then he's out

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<v Speaker 1>of there. He doesn't hesitate, he doesn't try to look inside.

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<v Speaker 1>So now I'm wondering, was he really expressing concern or

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<v Speaker 1>was he trying to make it look like he was

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<v Speaker 1>expressing concern and looking for Heidi. Was he going through

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<v Speaker 1>the motions so that he would appear on camera, or

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<v Speaker 1>was Heidie's disappearance totally unconnected to him? But perhaps he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to see if someone was there who would give

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<v Speaker 1>him that work laptop, which remember, was inside her house.

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<v Speaker 1>What did the SEC want to talk to Heidi about?

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<v Speaker 1>Heidi obviously is not here, so it's only speculation, but

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<v Speaker 1>she reportedly told friends and family that the company had

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<v Speaker 1>some tax filings that were due. She had complained that

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<v Speaker 1>her boss, presumably meaning Jason Sugarman, had her name on

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<v Speaker 1>so much of their corporate paperwork. Now, if this is true,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a major flag for fraud investigators. In fact, this

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<v Speaker 1>case seems to have a lot of red flags for

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<v Speaker 1>potential fraud investigators, including the fact that Heidi was the

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<v Speaker 1>person being asked to sign off on these complex transactions.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Wayne told the media that after Hiding went missing,

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<v Speaker 1>he called her office. He said that Jason didn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>like he was worried about Heidi or what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>her at all, but he did say Jason Sugarman was

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<v Speaker 1>very worried about that work laptop. Remember this was the

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<v Speaker 1>work laptop that had been inside Heidie's house. Jim had

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<v Speaker 1>taken it out of there and later handed it over

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<v Speaker 1>to police. Jim Wayne told the Daily Mail, quote, while

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the phone with his assistant, I heard

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<v Speaker 1>Sugarman in the background barking at his assistant to tell

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<v Speaker 1>me make sure he knows I want my laptop. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no concern at all from my ex wife's employer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a multimillion dollar company. They didn't offer to hire

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<v Speaker 1>a private investigator or put up a reward. The only

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<v Speaker 1>thing they really seemed concerned about was Heidie's computer end quote. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>Heidie's job was financial controller for Camden Capital Partners, which

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<v Speaker 1>reportedly gave her a salary of one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollars a year and bonuses, and Jim made

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<v Speaker 1>a comment he said she always had spare cash lying around.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Wayne said that someone at Jason Sugarman's office had

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<v Speaker 1>told him they believed that Heidi was quote siphoning off

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<v Speaker 1>money from the company end quote. So, according to Jim Wayne,

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<v Speaker 1>someone at Jason Sugarman's office was allegedly implying that Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>might have embezzled funds. But when Jim talked to The

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<v Speaker 1>Daily Mail, he said he did not believe Heidi was

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<v Speaker 1>to blame at all, and he said if there was

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<v Speaker 1>any wrongdoing, it was from someone at that office, not her.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim said, quote, Heidi knows all of Jason's and the

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<v Speaker 1>company's secrets. She knows where the bones are buried. This

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing just stinks. Something just isn't right, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't put my finger on it. End quote. After Hiding

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<v Speaker 1>went missing, Jim filed a petition for temporary emergency custody

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<v Speaker 1>of their son, and these court papers, in my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>provide further evidence that there was no motive for Jim

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything to Heidie, because, according to the court documents,

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<v Speaker 1>Jim and Heidi shared custody of their son, and Jim

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<v Speaker 1>did not pay Heidi any alimony or child support. He

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<v Speaker 1>had paid her a lump sum in twenty twelve and

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<v Speaker 1>nothing since then. So the bottom line is Jim Wayne

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<v Speaker 1>had no obvious financial motive to do anything to Heidi.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, if he did do something to her, it

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<v Speaker 1>would ensure that he would never get the support that

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<v Speaker 1>he was asking for. Some people had suggested that Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>might have disappeared voluntarily, and we do have to look

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<v Speaker 1>at that possibility. According to court documents, in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>Jim had alleged Heidi had some mental health issues. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that she was addicted to adderall and had some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of breakdown. In twenty fifteen, Jim talked to Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles magazine about what happened that day. He said that

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<v Speaker 1>Heidi had begun acting strangely while they were driving back

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<v Speaker 1>to her house, that their son had been in the car,

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<v Speaker 1>and that after they got back to his place, Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>freaked out, trash Bond's room and crawled out a window.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he said, she started running through the neighborhood. Police

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<v Speaker 1>were called, and when they got there, they found Heidy

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<v Speaker 1>switching an electrical circuit breaker on and off. It seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like reading through these court papers, Heidi it had some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a break with reality. According to court records,

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<v Speaker 1>Heidi agreed to check herself voluntarily into a psychiatric hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>But after that incident, Heidi got better. She got a job.

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<v Speaker 1>She started working for Camden Capital Partners, first as an

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<v Speaker 1>assistant and then by twenty seventeen, is the financial controller.

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<v Speaker 1>After the initial flurry of media activity, the case got

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quiet for a couple of months. Then on November fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, police announced they had found Heidi's Range

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<v Speaker 1>Rover in the parking lot of a residential building that

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<v Speaker 1>was a few blocks away from the Hope and Flower

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<v Speaker 1>building where seven was found. And after that police announced

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<v Speaker 1>another break they had more video footage of Heidi, footage

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<v Speaker 1>that had been taken on that same day. On October seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>at around six thirty pm, hours after she left her

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<v Speaker 1>son's game, she was in downtown La walking in an

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<v Speaker 1>alley between eleventh and twelve Streets. This is the little

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<v Speaker 1>alleyway that runs behind the Hope and Flower building where

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<v Speaker 1>the dog was found. She appeared to be wearing the

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<v Speaker 1>same clothes and the sweater that she had been wearing earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>She was wearing thisweater she had had tied around her waist.

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<v Speaker 1>One of her friends told a local news station KTLA

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<v Speaker 1>that Heidi looked like she was taking her dog for

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<v Speaker 1>a quick walk. Now, there were some people out there

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<v Speaker 1>who said that Heidie's hair looked darker, like she was

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a wig. But I've looked at this footage and

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<v Speaker 1>to me, that appears to be just a late afternoon lighting.

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<v Speaker 1>It clearly looks like Heidi. She's wearing the same clothes

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<v Speaker 1>she was wearing that morning, and her dog is walking

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<v Speaker 1>with her. Heidie's friends told local news stations that this

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<v Speaker 1>was a major break in the case because if the

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<v Speaker 1>couple's timeline was correct and they had found the dog

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<v Speaker 1>roaming the halls at around seven pm, that narrowed down

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<v Speaker 1>the window of time when Heidi went missing to around

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<v Speaker 1>half an hour or so. In the surveillance video from

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<v Speaker 1>the alley, Heidie was wearing the same sweaters she had

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<v Speaker 1>tied around her waist earlier, so she probably went there

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<v Speaker 1>right after she left the game. Also, people who watched

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<v Speaker 1>the video pointed out you could see Heidie's purse, and

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, this was at the height of COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>she seemed to have a mask in one hand, which

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<v Speaker 1>meant that she was probably visiting someone in that building,

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<v Speaker 1>so it seemed like she either parked her car, took

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<v Speaker 1>her purse out, and was on her way up to

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<v Speaker 1>the building, or it's also possible she had been visiting

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<v Speaker 1>someone in the building, already left her purse in the apartment,

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<v Speaker 1>and ducked out for a quick dog walk. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>none of Heidie's friends or family had any idea who

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<v Speaker 1>lived in that building, who Heidie might have been going

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<v Speaker 1>to see, or what she was doing there. But another

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<v Speaker 1>one of Heide's friends told reporters they had talked to

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<v Speaker 1>building staff and apparently they recognized Heidi and her dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven Attention focused more and more on the Hope and

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<v Speaker 1>Flower Building, the last place where Heidi was seen alive.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said before, this, Hope and Flower Building was

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<v Speaker 1>very controversial if you look at the yelperviews the residence.

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<v Speaker 1>Claim that there has been theft, drug use, dogs defecating

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<v Speaker 1>on their terraces, piles of trash in the hallway. They

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that their secured parking spaces are constantly vandalized and

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<v Speaker 1>broken into. After Haidi disappeared, I got several messages from

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<v Speaker 1>people who were friends of hers. I also went to

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<v Speaker 1>a prayer vigil for Heidi that was held at the

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<v Speaker 1>Hope and Flower Building. I met some of the residents there,

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<v Speaker 1>and later some of the former residents contacted me and

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<v Speaker 1>talked to me about the LAPD investigation. They told me

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<v Speaker 1>that the police had been in that building, that there

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<v Speaker 1>had been a foul stench coming from the trash chute.

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<v Speaker 1>They had heard a rumor that a bloody mattress or

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<v Speaker 1>possibly even a body had been taken from the building.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the news broke. The LAPD was searching Shaquita Canyon landfill,

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<v Speaker 1>which was about forty miles away, the same landfill where

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<v Speaker 1>the Hope in Flower Buildings trash was dumped. The police

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<v Speaker 1>has not revealed much about what they have found inside

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<v Speaker 1>the Hope and Flower building, but on their website they

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<v Speaker 1>did state that quote, forensic evidence was located inside the building,

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<v Speaker 1>which has led detectives to believe an incident occurred resulting

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<v Speaker 1>in Plank's death end quote. The LAPD stated that they

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<v Speaker 1>believed something bad did happen to Heidi and that they

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<v Speaker 1>believe that it happened to her at that downtown building,

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<v Speaker 1>and they said they believed that Heidi Plank was dead,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't give any more specifics. They didn't talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what the evidence was. They haven't asked the public

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<v Speaker 1>for information, so really it's been kind of a black hole.

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<v Speaker 1>In December of twenty twenty three, over two years after

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<v Speaker 1>she went missing, Heidi Plank was officially declared dead. A

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<v Speaker 1>judge ruled she had died at around nine pm on

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<v Speaker 1>the night she disappeared on October seventeenth, twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been a few theories put forward by people

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<v Speaker 1>commenting online by armchair detectives. One theory was that Heidi

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<v Speaker 1>maybe was in trouble, maybe she did something at work,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe she knew too much and something led her to

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<v Speaker 1>voluntarily go missing. I'm not buying that theory. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's any way that this woman would

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<v Speaker 1>have left her son with no explanation. And secondly, other

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<v Speaker 1>than her son, she loved her dog more than anything

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, and I don't believe she would have

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<v Speaker 1>just dumped her dog at this building. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>anytime you do have someone with a background of mental

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<v Speaker 1>health issues or potential substance abuse, you have to ask

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<v Speaker 1>could that have happened again? Again, I think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>very unlikely, mainly because she was acting normally. This woman's employed,

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<v Speaker 1>she had a good relationship with her friends and family,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had a son who she called every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Or some other rumors going around, including one by an

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<v Speaker 1>amateur detective who posted on YouTube. She said she had

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<v Speaker 1>talked to people in the Hope and Flower building. She

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<v Speaker 1>told the Sun newspaper that she heard Heidi went to

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<v Speaker 1>a party there on the night she disappeared that she

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<v Speaker 1>had gotten adderall from a man she was dating, and

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<v Speaker 1>then apparently overdosed, possibly because the drugs were laced with fentanyl. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>according to this person, the people in the apartment panicked

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<v Speaker 1>and Haidie's body was thrown down the garbage chute. But

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say there was absolutely no evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>these rumors were true, and honestly, not all parts of

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<v Speaker 1>this story make sense. For example, Heidi didn't look like

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<v Speaker 1>she was dressed to party. She looked like she was

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<v Speaker 1>out on an errand when she was seen on the

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<v Speaker 1>camera with the dog, it was early evening, six thirty

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<v Speaker 1>or seven pm. And finally, if there was a whole

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<v Speaker 1>party full of people as this person described, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>really hard for me to imagine that no one from

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<v Speaker 1>the party talk. The whole thing got completely covered up,

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<v Speaker 1>and that they threw a body down the trash chute

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<v Speaker 1>without it being found. But I do have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of questions about that building and about the people on

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<v Speaker 1>the penthouse floor. Jim Wayne has said he was told

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<v Speaker 1>by police that up to five people know what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to Heidi, But which five people? Five people in the

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<v Speaker 1>apartment building, And if that's true, again, it's very hard

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<v Speaker 1>for me to imagine a world where there was not

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance footage showing those people, even though it was COVID

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of places were probably being rented off

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<v Speaker 1>the books. Surely they must be able to get the

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<v Speaker 1>names of the people who were in the apartment on

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<v Speaker 1>that day. The whole thing is very bizarre, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I've ever actually seen a case where a

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<v Speaker 1>dog was found in a location that was completely foreign

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<v Speaker 1>to everywhere in the victim's life, and there's no trace

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<v Speaker 1>of the victim. Jason Sugarman kind of disappeared from public

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<v Speaker 1>view after Hiding went missing, and I'm going to say

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<v Speaker 1>again he has not been charged with anything or any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of wrongdoing in connection with her disappearance. On January tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, the United States District Court for the

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<v Speaker 1>Southern District of New York entered a final judgment against

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Suggermant. Jason was ordered to pay over ten point

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<v Speaker 1>two million dollars in connection to the scheme to defraud

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<v Speaker 1>pension funds. Devin Archer was sentenced to a year and

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<v Speaker 1>a day in prison. He appealed and he is still

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<v Speaker 1>out on bail. In January twenty twenty four, a judge

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<v Speaker 1>denied his appeal, so his case is continuing to work

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<v Speaker 1>its way through the court system. Bond and seven are

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<v Speaker 1>living with Jim Wayne. Jim told Los Angeles magazine six

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<v Speaker 1>months after Heidi disappeared, quote, our son wants to know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to his mother. I want to know what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to Heidi. I still think her boss has something

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<v Speaker 1>to do with this, in one way or another. End quote.

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<v Speaker 1>There was another update story done in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>near the two year anniversary of her disappearance. Heidie's family

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<v Speaker 1>posted a bill of her in Los Angeles. Right now

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<v Speaker 1>they hope that someone will come forward. The family is

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<v Speaker 1>created an email address Heidi Plank H E I D

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<v Speaker 1>I P L A n C K at ProtonMail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>The Los Angeles Police Department is asked anyone with information

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<v Speaker 1>call the Missing Persons Unit at two one three nine

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<v Speaker 1>nine six one eight zero zero. I'm Katherine Townsend. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder Line is

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<v Speaker 1>a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts. It's

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<v Speaker 1>written and narrated by me Catherine Townsend and produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Gabby Watts. Special thanks to Amy Tubbs for her research assistance.

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<v Speaker 1>Music contributed by Ben Solee. Executive producers are Virginia Prescott,

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