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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: This is Kevin Booth, two times Super Bowl champion of

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Speaker 2: the New York Football Giants. This is the NFL Players

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Speaker 2: Second Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Hell call me, call me, Bobby de Niro, Bobby, give

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Speaker 3: me hey, you're right, Bobby? Hey, what's going on? Everybody?

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Speaker 4: I'm Peanuts too mean And this is the NFL Player

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Speaker 4: Second Acts Podcast. I got my my my, my co

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Speaker 4: host with me. He a little mad at me right now.

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Speaker 4: This is my guy rooman I'm always never on time. Harper,

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Speaker 4: what's up baby?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good?

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Speaker 5: How you guys doing. Let's put up this wall right here.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully we can tear it down at some point in

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Speaker 5: between the start in the finish of this next great

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Speaker 5: interview that we're going to have with our guests today.

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Speaker 5: But before I get there, let me first and foremost

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Speaker 5: know who we got today?

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Speaker 4: We got a good guess, y'all. Let me read his

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Speaker 4: resume real quick. He was a six round draft. What

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Speaker 4: is about these two thousand and six draft class we

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Speaker 4: in here, y'all are here game changers, we are delivering,

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Speaker 4: We are great, we are the future.

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Speaker 3: Y'all need to be quiet.

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Speaker 4: So he's a two thousand and six draft pick out

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Speaker 4: of Cornell Ivy League School. So y'all know we got

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Speaker 4: the big brain on him. He's an offensive lineman, played teenage.

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Speaker 4: You don't look like it not now, but he played

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Speaker 4: ten years in the NFL one two Super Bowl with

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Speaker 4: your Giants of New York City, and now he's working

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Speaker 4: at the League office over player personnel. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 4: please welcome to the show. Mister Kevin Booth.

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Speaker 3: Happy to be here.

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Speaker 5: That's so funny, though, because you made me think of

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Speaker 5: coming to America, the Giants of New York.

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Speaker 3: That was what I said.

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Speaker 4: I was looking to come into America, the Giants of

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Speaker 4: New York. It was the most interesting. So so Kevin Man,

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Speaker 4: I just got to know off the top. Whenever I

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Speaker 4: hear of any small college guy getting drafted to the NFL, automatically,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, they probably just destroyed dominated, destroyed dominated.

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Speaker 5: Was that the case with you? Were you just destroying

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Speaker 5: cats in college? You were three time All American at

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Speaker 5: at Cornell? Thank you, almost said Columbia.

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Speaker 3: But you can see it's like they call you a

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Speaker 3: to go.

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Speaker 2: Got personal quick. College was fun. College was fun. I

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Speaker 2: like to joke around with some of my old teammates.

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Speaker 2: I let them know that I peaked in college because

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Speaker 2: that was you know, it was fun to have other

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Speaker 2: coaches scared of an offensive lineman. You know, they weren't

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Speaker 2: necessarily scared of our skilled position players, which you know,

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Speaker 2: it's probably a different story, but it was definitely a

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Speaker 2: fun time. And I figured, if you're good enough in college,

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Speaker 2: you'll get an opportunity. So I wasn't necessarily focused on, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, how I could get to the NFL through

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Speaker 2: a bigger school. It was more of if by dominate

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Speaker 2: like I should, I'll get a chance to show what

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Speaker 2: I could do at the next level.

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Speaker 5: So did you like take anybody over to the water

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Speaker 5: cooler like I've seen highlights of Like, yeah, you like.

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Speaker 3: The side ye in some ways. Well, I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 2: My sophomore year, I actually broke both my hands four

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Speaker 3: But bab who was you slammed?

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Speaker 2: For the second half of the season, I basically had

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Speaker 2: lot of So you had two weapons?

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Speaker 2: And I would dare the officials to throw a flag,

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Speaker 2: and I think I got a couple that season.

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Speaker 3: But um Q tips right now.

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Speaker 5: And Cornell's also known they like to have a good

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for an IVY League school, I think a lot

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Speaker 3: Hotel administration?

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Speaker 5: So you did the IVY League school? See this is

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Speaker 5: this takes me to mind.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the NFL. It's world renown. It's very famous

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Speaker 3: and if you look up.

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Speaker 2: Some of the alums through Cornell's Hotel School, it's a

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Speaker 3: It's world face.

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Speaker 2: We have a hotel on campus and essentially it's a

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Speaker 2: business degree with some hospitality mixed in. Now it's not

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Speaker 2: all hotels, it could be. Uh, some of my peers

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Speaker 3: Just dropped that we should that tests, like what is

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I took financial accounting, I took you know,

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Speaker 2: mentioned that that same reaction you had was my rookie

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Speaker 2: year in Oakland. I was teammates with Warren Sapp. Sap

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Speaker 2: had to explain that it's a famous school and you know,

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Speaker 2: one day, uh, you know, it's a little bit more

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Speaker 3: I think that's I'm sure because that's the first thing

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Speaker 4: So would you say that was your rug M to

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Speaker 3: It like in Oakland playing back then? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Right when we had to play there in the dirt,

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Speaker 4: I was just like, I am not trying to make

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Speaker 3: Let me just try to sling them. And I just

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Speaker 4: It was. It was the worst. So I only played

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Speaker 4: immediately you like, it's a big difference.

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Speaker 3: It is. It's a huge difference. It's nobody wants to

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Speaker 4: The whole offense kind of changes. Nobody wants to be

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Speaker 4: in it. It's like we don't get everything. Yeah, get

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Speaker 3: Were gonna make that up? I think I'm supposed to

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Speaker 3: cut the backside on this one. Yeah, I can get that.

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Speaker 3: I don't need I don't. So why are the two

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Speaker 3: super Bowls that you want? Right? Which one was more

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Speaker 2: It was the second one. So it's fun to say, oh,

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Speaker 2: the second one meant more than me. I might be

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Speaker 2: the only one on my team to say that. Who

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Speaker 2: has two super Bowl rings? And the reason why is

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Speaker 2: because the first one, it was my second year in

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Speaker 2: the league. Yeah, I started most of my rookie year

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Speaker 2: But as you know, football is a business, we had

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Speaker 2: picked up by the Giants, and essentially had a redo

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Speaker 2: the best offensive lines in recent memory, and essentially they

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Speaker 2: taught me what it was like to be a pro

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Speaker 2: off the field, so you know, everything from football prep

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Speaker 2: with film, weightlifting, how to manage my time, how to

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Speaker 2: actually healthy, inactive for most of that year, and then

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Speaker 2: just played field goal and the old wedge back in

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Speaker 2: those days, I kicked off return, which will a nightmare nightmare,

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Speaker 4: So what I want to know is how how crazy

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Speaker 4: was it when you when you see Eli Manning Super

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Speaker 4: Bowl forty two, you see Eli Manning scrambling on that play,

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Speaker 4: he's about to get sacked. He doesn't get sacked. He's

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Speaker 4: up there. You're on the field actually blocking, not on

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Speaker 4: that one. So super Bowl forty two, I was actually once.

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Speaker 4: I actually had a great view of it. Uh I

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Speaker 4: remember if I remember correctly, it was third down and five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wut sixteen to go.

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Speaker 1: Everybody on their feet.

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Speaker 3: Tyree split right.

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Speaker 7: And he takes the snap back to throw under pressure

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Speaker 7: of Gorge m Rash and he's gonna fight out of it.

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Speaker 7: Still fights out of it. Now throws a deep downfield

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Speaker 7: one up a Tyree who takes the touch.

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Speaker 3: Gotta play by may name. He's alluded three sacks. He

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Speaker 3: runs up to my carrier calls the time out. I

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Speaker 3: want to catch by Tyree. With fifty eight seconds to go.

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Speaker 7: Tyree had Harrison all over him. The ball was on

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Speaker 7: his helmet, but he got his other hand on it

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Speaker 7: and pulled it in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's some play, dammit.

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Speaker 7: Tyree from Montclair, New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: And you know we battled with this team toe to

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Speaker 2: And it's one of the running jokes we have with

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Speaker 2: the offensive line group, is whose fault was?

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Speaker 3: It? Really?

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Speaker 2: It's either the senator Sean O'Hara or the left guard

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Speaker 2: rich Seybert. One of those two gave up penetration to

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Speaker 2: Richard Seymour very quickly. But when I saw you like,

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Speaker 2: it didn't blow the whistle, and I thought, I was like,

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Speaker 2: we came all this way and we lost the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: This is cute. You know, gonna did you guys need

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Speaker 2: This season would start so late, so you know, I'd

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Speaker 5: All right, Now, how how is this weight loss journey

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Speaker 2: knew it was important to prepare myself for the next

441
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 2: phase of life, you know, whatever it would be. And

442
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 2: this time I didn't know, you know, I kind of

443
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,439
Speaker 2: knew that I wanted to stay involved with football, but

444
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 2: needed to keep myself busy. I didn't want to just

445
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 2: sit there and you know, pout about not playing football

446
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 2: or watch TV and think that I could still do it,

447
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 2: even though I probably did go through that phase if

448
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 2: you ask my wife for a little bit at least.

449
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 2: So it's just a matter of staying routine. So I

450
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 2: knew that I was typically get up in the morning,

451
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 2: go to the facility and work out prior to meetings

452
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. So I just kind of kept

453
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 2: that routine and it's something that I've kept today. So

454
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 2: wake up every morning and now it's become such a

455
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 2: habit where if I don't do it, I almost feel

456
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 2: guilty or something's off the rest of the day, you know.

457
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 2: So just staying into a routine and building good habits

458
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, it's been a fun journey. Not

459
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 2: fun on the wallet because all those fine threads that

460
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 2: you had to playing, uh you know, dress code with

461
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 2: coach Coughlin, you know, suits for away games, a lot

462
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 2: of those. It got to a point where my tailor

463
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 2: is like, hey, there's nothing I could do about this, buddy.

464
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 3: There's always so much that you were wearing. I know,

465
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 3: the line used to have those the walkers, did you walkers?

466
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 3: I do remember when you were a walker?

467
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 8: Guy.

468
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 2: I had one walker that was given to me for free,

469
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: and then I never did again and.

470
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 3: It went out. I felt like right after that phase, Yeah,

471
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 3: I'm so glad I didn't get a walk I'm so

472
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 3: I know people that have whole closets still. I don't

473
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 3: know if there's only the ones that have comfortable. I

474
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 3: never were comfortable. Basically.

475
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 4: I never saw a skilled person with a walker or linebacker.

476
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 3: There was all d line. Line is a reason and

477
00:21:59,240 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: the only reason.

478
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 5: They literally went out like right after, right after by

479
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 5: by way, it was done.

480
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

481
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 5: So and you got in a year or two before us,

482
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 5: so you were you were definitely like full blown walker states.

483
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 3: Full blown blow It was like these look like pajamas

484
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: for fat people.

485
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: You have you have threads, you know, fabrics on patterns.

486
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,959
Speaker 3: Its just shaking the box, just checking the box, dressed up.

487
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 3: This is funny though, don't get fine.

488
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but that was a big It was like Lenen,

489
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 4: it was yeah, Paul answer, yeah, Cotton.

490
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 3: That's a great question that you don't know. You need

491
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 3: to look this up. Walking suit The walking suit.

492
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 4: NFL NFL Office of Line and d Line and walkers.

493
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 4: You don't see a lot of large men wearing these pajamas.

494
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 4: I don't show up and oh my gosh, I one.

495
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 3: That's good. That's only one. And it was for free.

496
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: I didn't it was it was a gift. It was.

497
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: It was actually nice. It was like a blackish gray

498
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 2: and it kind of had a pattern in it. So

499
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: it's one of those you know, was a gun metal

500
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: c Yeah, okay, I got you. I got you, So

501
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: dress up, dress down with it. Yeah, either way.

502
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 3: So twenty twelve, I went back.

503
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 4: To school and I got my I got a master's degree,

504
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: and it took me about three years. But I was

505
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 4: still actively playing, so I was working. I was actually

506
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 4: at the pro Bow when I saw of my first class.

507
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 4: And I know you did the same thing. You got

508
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: your You got your NBA from George Washington. I know

509
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 4: the NFL they have a tuition assistance. I don't know

510
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 4: the exact name of the program.

511
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 3: But you did that.

512
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 4: I want you to tell us why you went back

513
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 4: and was it a juggle for.

514
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 3: You to do it while you were still playing?

515
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought when I graduated from Cornell, I

516
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 2: was like man, that's it. I'm not going back to school.

517
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: That that was a lot harder, and I thought it

518
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: was going to be. Uh, you know, it's just one

519
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: of those things that as you progressed throughout your career

520
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: and you start to realize that this isn't going to

521
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: last forever. There was an opportunity at George Washington at

522
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: the time to get my NBA while playing, So it

523
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: was a very intense program of it took two years

524
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: to do it, and the way they did it is, uh,

525
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: we were in class for about six weeks each off

526
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: season and then online work in between there. So there

527
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: would actually be some online work in the season, even

528
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: though they would try to scale it back a little

529
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: bit obviously because we were tied up. But you know,

530
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: for those six weeks when we were in class, we

531
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: were in for the full day and you're in DC

532
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: for these classes. The great thing about it is it

533
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: bounced around. So we would do two weeks in d C,

534
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 2: we would do two weeks in New York City, which

535
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: was very helpful, and then we actually did a summer

536
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: two weeks out in LA. So you have to move

537
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: around a little bit and be on different college campuses

538
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 2: in this program, and it was a great experience. So

539
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: it was a small court of you know, some former

540
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: players and other people in the sports industry, and you know,

541
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 2: it was something that I didn't anticipate doing, but I'm

542
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: grateful that I did do it because I thought that

543
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: just having that experience, being able to work through some

544
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: of those you know, case studies and things of that nature,

545
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: those real life examples, it felt more practical to me

546
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: at that point than you know, undergrad where you're taking

547
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 2: the essential classes of the required classes. So I really

548
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: enjoyed that experience.

549
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: All right.

550
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 5: So well, you and Penut, both you guys can answer

551
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 5: this because I'm the only one that has not done

552
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 5: extra curriculars as far as education is gone, so has

553
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 5: d both of you guys. Has the degrees? Have you

554
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 5: guys used your degrees at all? Or is this like

555
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 5: algebra for the rest of America?

556
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've used I've used my degree in emergency management. Yeah,

557
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: it's been it's been fun.

558
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

559
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: And I think my time in the league office, uh,

560
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: you know, starting out in sponsorship and then now in

561
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: my current roles, it's definitely helped. I think a lot

562
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: of the organizational behavior work you know that hr how

563
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: to manage personalities, how to work in groups and different roles,

564
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: how to lead. Those types of class work and case

565
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: studies were essentially vital for me.

566
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 5: See you hear that, ladies and gentlemen, kids, family members arelike,

567
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 5: algebra is for the benefit of all, and so it

568
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 5: does work and you might not understand and use it

569
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 5: right now, but I knew that both of these gentlemen

570
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 5: would say that, yes, we actually use our degree, So yes,

571
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 5: that's really good.

572
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 3: You do you do? So?

573
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 4: When I was in Chicago, Duayne Joseph was my player

574
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: player development.

575
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: He was my player development guy in Chicago. Now they

576
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: call it player engagement. Engagement. Yeah. Now he's the assistant

577
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 3: GM and the Las.

578
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 4: Vegas Raiders, and he had a pivotal grade, huge upgrade.

579
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: He's worked his butt off, played a pivotal.

580
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 4: Role in my career just with his leadership, mentorship, with

581
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 4: what he taught me as a rookie. Now, talk to

582
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 4: the people about really what the role is of the

583
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 4: player engagement person on the staff, because I don't think

584
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 4: the people, the listeners, I really don't think they understand

585
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 4: how vital that role is.

586
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: To these to the team, right, Yeah, it's essential, and

587
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 2: I think it's a role that has rightfully grown in

588
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: importance over the last ten years or so, even since

589
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: we left the league. It's a role that it's intended

590
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: to separate the football side from the player side, so

591
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: it's the players lies off the field, and you know what,

592
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 2: I think as great as a lot of teams, if

593
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: not all, have the player engagement person's office next to

594
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: the locker room or close to the locker room. It's

595
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 2: not upstairs because for the longest time, it's hey, if

596
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: you're going upstairs, Yeah, it's like where you're going, who

597
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: do you want to talk to? Maybe you're like, you

598
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: know what, it's something I want to talk about it

599
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: like the prin So I think having a great relationship

600
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: with your player engagement person individual, you know, whatever the

601
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: role is, is essential because if we're getting pulled in

602
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: so many different directions. You know, it's a very demanding

603
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 2: profession that we have as professional athletes, and life happens.

604
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things off the field, you know,

605
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: that can be challenging other times it could be exciting,

606
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: and you need to have a resource there because you're

607
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: spending so much time at the facility it's it's needed

608
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: because you're not gonna have time to go talk to

609
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 2: your coach or sometimes you might not see your spouse

610
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: or your significant other for an extended period of time. You

611
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: need to have somebody to vent sometimes, somebody to talk to,

612
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: somebody to bounce ideas off of. So having that person

613
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: at every team is very valuable.

614
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, not only that, but actually him being like a

615
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 5: being able to express to you some of the things

616
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 5: that the coaches may be thinking as well. Right, So

617
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 5: it's able to be not only mediator. Yeah yeah, yeah,

618
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 5: I mean so it's not only being able to be

619
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 5: heard but also absorbed because you know, when you hear

620
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 5: him from the coach, sometimes you if you don't vibe

621
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 5: with the coach, it might not.

622
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: Be received right.

623
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 5: Versus like you're vibing with the player engagement guy. Shout

624
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 5: out to my man, fast Fred McAfee of the New

625
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 5: Orleans Saints.

626
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's my guy.

627
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 5: He did so much for me as a player engagement person.

628
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 5: Not only that, but he's also a teammate of mind.

629
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 5: And he retired he became that's the player engagement guy,

630
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: and man, he's one of the top and one of

631
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 5: the best ever.

632
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: Did he ever really teach you how to be punctual.

633
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: Uh no, that's that's just not my thing.

634
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: You know, with coach Coffin, all the clocks in the facility,

635
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: you said five minutes early, you.

636
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, you got would have played. I wish you

637
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 4: would have played for Conflin. The Giants tried to trade

638
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: for me early. I wish they would I wish they

639
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 4: would have got No. Actually, what it was they were

640
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 4: they were gonna it was gonna be a one on

641
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: one trade. I don't know if anybody knows this, but

642
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 4: we'll just take out.

643
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 5: So the Giants were gonna wanted to trade for me,

644
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 5: and they wanted The Saints said, you know, well you

645
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 5: give us Jeremy Shockey and.

646
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: And then traded.

647
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 5: They were like, no, actually the Giants wanted me. The

648
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 5: Saints were like, all right, well who do you want?

649
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 5: And then they said they wanted me, and they were like,

650
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 5: all right, well, what's up? And then they said no.

651
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 5: The Saints said no, yeah, Saints. She did not want

652
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 5: to give me up to the shocky. So instead they

653
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 5: gave up a second round pick.

654
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: Remember that I was on the team he had and.

655
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 5: Got that and got that back and they they so

656
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 5: I only knew that true. I thought it was just

657
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 5: a roomor. And then I met Dave gettleman for Carolina Panthers,

658
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 5: and he was like, oh no, I was, yeah he could.

659
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 5: When I first signed there, he said, mister g and

660
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 5: he was like, I've been won you since you were

661
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 5: like year three. I wanted you all the way up

662
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 5: here in New York. I was in the room.

663
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: I said, I thought that was just a rumor. He's like,

664
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: oh no, Dave gets real.

665
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: They've got him as the first person I met when

666
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: they claimed me off of Waivers, And I pulled up

667
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: to the old Giant Stadium and he's right there and

668
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: he's like, I've been watching you the whole time, you know.

669
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: So that type of thing. That was kind of my

670
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: first experience, first person I met from the Giant's office.

671
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: But I do have a funny story. You talked about

672
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: the Saints. I don't know about you peanup, but every

673
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: time we went to the super Dome, it was bad.

674
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: You guys, at least at least five or six touchdown

675
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: passes from Drew Brees. And I still have you see

676
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: how I'm like kind of looking off in this face.

677
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: It's like PTSD because I still hear the music, you know,

678
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: the music after the touchdown.

679
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: We know the songs. Man.

680
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: And so the twenty eleven season, oh, that was our

681
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: best team. So they beat us in a regular season

682
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: that year. I think it was on Monday Night football,

683
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: forty nine to twenty seven.

684
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: It was bad. We scored late, you know, to make

685
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: it look better. Right, this is so.

686
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: Irrational, But we had a divisional playoff game at the

687
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: fifteen to one Green Bay Packers on a Sunday in

688
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: the divisional round. The Saturday divisional game was New Orleans

689
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: at San Francisco, and we get to our hotel and

690
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: we're not even worried about the fifteen and one team

691
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: that we're playing tomorrow, the defending Super Bowl champ fifteen

692
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 2: to one team. We have our eyes on this San

693
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: Francisco New Orleans game, praying that San Francisco somehow wins.

694
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 3: This is in San Francisco run.

695
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: Crazy game where there was like four touchdowns in the

696
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: last two minutes.

697
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy.

698
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: I mean we're on the edge of our seats and

699
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: we're watching them like, oh no, we go back to

700
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: the Superdomes.

701
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 5: We talked about that. We said literally that was our

702
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 5: best team. We won a super Bowl in O nine,

703
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 5: but that twenty eleven team was electric offensive. We put

704
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 5: up all these points defensively, really good, forcing turnovers, we

705
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 5: got after people, and we knew.

706
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: Like that was our chance.

707
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 5: Like we just Atlanta just happened to be winning all

708
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 5: these games, and like we we just didn't get a

709
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 5: home game and we had to go on the road

710
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 5: and we played so bad. We had it four or

711
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 5: five turnovers and we still barely lost the game. And

712
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 5: we were like, man, we were kicking ourselves because then.

713
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: You see us, yeah, because yeah, because what happens they

714
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: see the Giants win.

715
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 5: It was like, one, well know that, but it's like, dude,

716
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 5: we do crust the Giants. Like like the Giants that

717
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 5: ELI had zero success coming to Superdome.

718
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: Super Dome was an awful place. It was a bad,

719
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: bad place for the Giant. It's a place. It was

720
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: not a good place. Every time we matched up, it

721
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: was he I mean.

722
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 5: Here, It's like so when we saw that, because we

723
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 5: didn't think you guys would win, and then when you

724
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 5: guys went on, then you go into San Francisco and

725
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 5: beat San Francisco. On top of it, we were just like, funny, dude,

726
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 5: there's no way they would have beat us in New Orleans.

727
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: But hey, you know it's all worn on the bridge,

728
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: and congrats to you for your second Super Bowl. You're

729
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: almost there.

730
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 5: Right, I'm still better than you.

731
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: Really, that was the personal jab that was like, that

732
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: was like from the fraternity thing, yeah, early on.

733
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

734
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: Anyway, So here's a fun question for you. It's a

735
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 4: society question. What is the coil? What is cool and

736
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: dagger society? I can't tell you that what you can't

737
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 4: tell me that.

738
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: I'm joking. I was like, it's an honor society.

739
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: It is.

740
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: It's a little tongue in cheek. It's like a a

741
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, great society. You know, remember the movie The Skulls. Yeah, yeah,

742
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: it's not like that. It's not like that. No, this

743
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: it's an honor society that I'm pleased to be a

744
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: part of at Cornell. It dates back, you know, a

745
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: very long time, and it's usually for students and eventually

746
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: alums who've had a tremendous amount of success in the

747
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: classroom as well as are considered leaders on campus. So yeah,

748
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: but it's one of those things that we like to

749
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: keep some secrecy around it.

750
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: It looks he tries to do that with his Q

751
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 4: his q Cats, the q Cats. He'd be trying to Oh,

752
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 4: oh you candition, but you can't take it anyway, the

753
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: q Cats.

754
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 3: So I got another question for you.

755
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: Is it true that when you're in college you memorize

756
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 4: the hometown of your opponents? Uh?

757
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: No, I you know what. I think I knew some

758
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: but not.

759
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 4: No.

760
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: No, I think they knew in college because you know,

761
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: a terror in college. You know, it feels good to

762
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: say that. I don't know what it's like to be,

763
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: you know, considered feared.

764
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

765
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: You know a lot of times they get you know

766
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: what I mean, that's.

767
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: What it feels like. Uh No, I tell you I

768
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: peaked in college. Now.

769
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: Uh Now, I didn't know too much about him, but

770
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: there was a lot of intense film study.

771
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: For sure.

772
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 5: I hear that you got the other one. Oh yeah, no,

773
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 5: you do the one we we never ask anybody. Oh

774
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 5: you're ready for it right now? I'm ready for it

775
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 5: right now.

776
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: Nervous? Are you nervous a little bit? Don't be all right?

777
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: We've never asked me one this question ever ever. Yeah,

778
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 3: this is a new one. We've been talking about this

779
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: for a while. I'm the guinea pig. You're in the

780
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 3: guinea pig christ test, dummy.

781
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 5: Are you ready? Three to one? Mount Rushmore? Four greats

782
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 5: of all time? Who's you own?

783
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: Your Mount Rushmore?

784
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 5: List of people are influence that have influenced you your life?

785
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: You're playing career? Wow? Wow? Is right? Okay? Like that?

786
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: Like that because that can go in a variety of places, right,

787
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: taking how you want.

788
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: Yes, it's my answer, right, my Mount Rushmore mountain. So

789
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: first would be my brother. So I have one brother.

790
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: He's ten years older than me, and he played through

791
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: college and he wore seventy seven for the majority of

792
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 2: his career. That wash he was an old lineman. Eventually

793
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 2: he actually started out as a tight end in college

794
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: and then growing and growing and growing. But you know,

795
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: that was probably the beginning of my love of football,

796
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: is watching him play in high school and then going

797
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: to watch him play in college.

798
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: And where do you go to school?

799
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: He went to East Carolina yep, so he was there

800
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: in the early nineties. So you know school Jeff Blake

801
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: and Robert Jones and then you know, there was some

802
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: good teams, there was some fun times watching him play.

803
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: He played against some very good players too. Yeah, so

804
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: you know, really starting to love the game of football then,

805
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: So I'd say he's one up there second, because I

806
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: started watching football right around then. My earliest NFL memory

807
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: is Super Bowl twenty three and the reason why is

808
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: because I grew up in South Florida and Super Bowl

809
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: twenty three was in Miami, and I remember watching the

810
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers against the Bengals and watching Jerry Rice

811
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: win MVP. So Jerry Rice was my favorite player throughout

812
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: my still is probably just in terms of his work

813
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: ethic and being able to see how successful he was

814
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: on the field, and that was my welcome to football.

815
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: Here it is. This team's awesome. San Francisco forty nine

816
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: is my favorite team growing up too. I was devastated

817
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: to nineteen that you talked about irony watching the Giants

818
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: beat them in the NFC Championship game a couple of

819
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: years later and they getting knocked out that, you know,

820
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: the first time I met the first time I met

821
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: Leonard Marshall, like, man, the pain, you know. So Jerry

822
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: Rice is up there, and I used to think I'd

823
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: be a wide receiver and then that went away probably

824
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: by the time I was ten years old, I realized

825
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: kept growing. If I kept playing football, it's gonna be

826
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: handing the dirt next after that. To influence my career,

827
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: I would say Coach Coughlin just because of how he

828
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: helped mold my teammates young men into you know, great people,

829
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: great football players, great fathers.

830
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: You know.

831
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: I think just the morals that he always had. And

832
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: at the time it felt cheesy at times because he

833
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: was a big quote guy. He'd bring up the war

834
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: quotes and you know, have all these different sayings and

835
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: he'd kind of leave it with you. But to this day,

836
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: I still think about him, and you know, it still applies.

837
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: So and he's somebody who I.

838
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: Still talk to regularly.

839
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: And then Wow, for the last one, that's probably the

840
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: toughest one, Mount Rushmore. I would say the best offensive

841
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: lineman I played with and he's still one of my

842
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: very good friends, is Chrisny the Giants, And it is

843
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: somebody that I watched my rookie year like, who is

844
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 2: this guy? Man, this is how you're supposed to play

845
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: guard in the NFL, And then coming over to the

846
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: team and him, Sean O'Hara, Kareem McKenzie, Dave Deal Rich Seybert.

847
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: How they welcomed me, you know, because it was like

848
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: that new kid in school that just joined I. I

849
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: came to the team week one, so, you know, being

850
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: able to learn under him and then being able to

851
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: try to pattern as much of my game after him,

852
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: and somebody who I thought for a three four year

853
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: stretch was the best guard in the NFL. So I

854
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: think when I talked about Mount Rushmore of who I

855
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: am as a football player, and then beyond that, I

856
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: would say those four. So you kind of have a

857
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: mix there.

858
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: You know, you have my.

859
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: Childhood, my contemporary, a family member, and then a leader,

860
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: you know, a coach.

861
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: So I think that's my four. I like it.

862
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: That's a good mountain a man, it's a great Mount Rushmore. Yeah,

863
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: great job. So thanks not bad for the first one. Right,

864
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: Set the bar high.

865
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: Set the bar high. At the bar very high. You're

866
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 3: laughing where you laughing? Because we asked everybody. Man, he

867
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: couldn't even he can't even let him, let him let go.

868
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: I was gonna let him live it. You just topped

869
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: the boat man right there later, you know, Thomas back there,

870
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: I was gonna let him make it. Last started to

871
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: squirm a little laugh.

872
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: I feel, you know, you can feel with people just

873
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: laughing behind you, and you don't want to turn down laughing.

874
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: You look behind leg I was gonna let you make it. Tears. Yeah,

875
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: you crying up. We gotta tell that man that was

876
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: a deep that's a deep answer. You're crying. Was probably

877
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: thinking about you know, who was his safety buddies who

878
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Speaker 3: played with.

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, hey, can we appreciate you coming on? Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: This is this is fun. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Love what you're doing for the league and the player

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Speaker 4: player engagement crew. Man, keep doing your thing. Thank you

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Speaker 4: for black put your presence. And I just want to

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Speaker 4: say one more thing. How does it feel to continue

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Speaker 4: to now you have a different role, but you continue

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Speaker 4: to impact the game itself. Do you take pride in

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Speaker 4: that individual?

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 2: I always wanted to stay involved with the game of sports.

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Speaker 2: I mean with the game of football. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: stay involved in sports originally and then making that transition,

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Speaker 2: figuring out what that next step would be and realizing that,

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Speaker 2: you know, I had an opportunity to join the league

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Speaker 2: office was something that kept me close enough to the

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Speaker 2: game but then also be able to impact the game

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Speaker 2: in other ways without feeling sore on a day to

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Speaker 2: day basis. So no, it's great to continue to serve

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Speaker 2: the game of football that's going to be here, you know,

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Speaker 2: long after we're gone, So try to leave it better

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Speaker 2: than you found it. And that's my goal, you know what.

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Speaker 5: And that's a great way to end, because I feel

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Speaker 5: like that's what Peter Nutt and I are trying to do,

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Speaker 5: being able to interview more and more of you guys

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Speaker 5: that continue to impact the game, and we are all

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Speaker 5: stewards of this great game in the NFL, and how

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Speaker 5: much is done for us. I really feel like we're

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Speaker 5: just trying to serve it in the best way possible.

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Speaker 3: And that's why you're here today.

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Speaker 5: And I appreciate that last answer because it's a great

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Speaker 5: way to hind it, man, So appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Man. Good job, Thank you man.

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Speaker 5: All of our viewers and followers out there, continue to

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Speaker 5: wherever you pick up your podcast that man, you got

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Speaker 5: me messed up today, peanut, maybe because I'm late, all right.

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Speaker 4: Well, anyways, wherever you get your listen to your podcast

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Speaker 4: that was Apple podcasts our Heart Radio podcast. Continue to listen,

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Speaker 4: give us a view, Tell a friend, to tell a friend,

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Speaker 4: to tell a friend. Give us a five star rating.

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Speaker 4: Hit that follow button. Man, this was a good one.

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Speaker 3: Again. We're gonna continue to load them up.

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Speaker 5: We have more and more people in their second acts

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Speaker 5: doing great things, not only for themselves personally, but for

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Speaker 5: the NFL, pushing it forward.

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Speaker 3: Man, Kevin Booth, you are one of those people.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you on Peanut Best Rooming. That's Kevin ay Man.

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Speaker 4: This is the NFL Player Second Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for tuning in. Great round rushmore too. Wet

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