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Speaker 3: if Frisco, Texas guy had Ma Harrison in the house,
Speaker 3: Barry Church, Lexon, Lexon.
Speaker 2: And beautiful in here with their foolishness today.
Speaker 3: Man, that's he bought the shirt like that. He bought
Speaker 3: the shirt like that when he when he tried it on,
Speaker 3: he knew it was a three x you knowing style.
Speaker 4: In Italy right here on the players Oh boy, oh boy, but.
Speaker 2: Ceed lamb conversation.
Speaker 3: Somebody asked me on the way down, what do you
Speaker 3: guys tell people, because because you know, Cowboy fans come
Speaker 3: up to their ass. So what do you say when
Speaker 3: people ask you about the country, Is it going to
Speaker 3: get there?
Speaker 2: What do you say?
Speaker 5: You know what the hardest thing for me to do
Speaker 5: is try and articulate them, you know, pretty much holding
Speaker 5: this deal over CD's head right now when you've already
Speaker 5: have a placer there, so it I can't clearly articulate
Speaker 5: to anyone why this thing hasn't been done so far
Speaker 5: when we know that thirty five is the number. I
Speaker 5: think it becomes frustrating when you start looking at Okay,
Speaker 5: when does CD need to be into camp? How does
Speaker 5: him and Dak and the rest of this offense get
Speaker 5: back in rhythm with any with each other? Especially the
Speaker 5: way that we ended the season off you would think
Speaker 5: that this season, this particular season, would you about all
Speaker 5: hands on deck, everybody getting back down together because of
Speaker 5: the home record that we had and just knowing that, look,
Speaker 5: you felt good about last year's team, all you need
Speaker 5: to do is take the next step. If Cedee Lamb
Speaker 5: has look, what was it, ten games with one hundred
Speaker 5: and some seven games with ten catches, he does that
Speaker 5: in the first four games of the season, You're looking
Speaker 5: at a guy that maybe finishes with two thousand yards.
Speaker 5: Are all ifs and maybes and hope it's on the table.
Speaker 5: I haven't get it out, but either way, there's.
Speaker 2: No way to explain it.
Speaker 6: It doesn't make sense now, it doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 6: And you know, we talked a little bit before the show.
Speaker 6: I just don't understand why, you know, you're basically your offense,
Speaker 6: which is CD, you're passing attack. Because outside of you know, CD,
Speaker 6: you have Ferguson, who's you know, he's a good tight
Speaker 6: end and upcoming tight end. You got Cooks who's up
Speaker 6: there in age. But other than that, CD is your
Speaker 6: passing attack. Why does he have to go up the
Speaker 6: river and through the woods, you know, to get his money?
Speaker 2: And we all understand you said it earlier.
Speaker 6: The number is thirty five, and I can see if
Speaker 6: it was, you know, comparing Justin Jefferson to a you know,
Speaker 6: Devonte Smith out and out in Philly, where it's like
Speaker 6: there's a big gap in there. But to me, the
Speaker 6: gap between Justin Jefferson and Cede Lamb, it's if there is,
Speaker 6: it'snu it's minute, you know, it's it's as much it's
Speaker 6: a little bit. So I don't see the disconnect there.
Speaker 6: You got your number, what you want to where you
Speaker 6: want to be at. And we talked about you know,
Speaker 6: this team wanting to take that next step and being
Speaker 6: you know, considered a true contender for their ultimate goal,
Speaker 6: which is the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: You can't achieve that without your man in the building.
Speaker 6: And the only thing that is doing right now with
Speaker 6: this negotiations, it's hurting that chemistry, it's hurting what that
Speaker 6: team is going to try to become. And to me,
Speaker 6: you got to get that man in the building as
Speaker 6: soon as possible. Do I think it's gonna take you know,
Speaker 6: months for him and that to get you know, a connection. No,
Speaker 6: it might take a week or two for them to
Speaker 6: get that connection going. But overall, you got to get
Speaker 6: the man in the building.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: So I asked this question by someone in this building,
Speaker 3: and I said, it'll get done and he'll get paid
Speaker 3: and we'll just hit I say, why didn't get done earlier?
Speaker 3: Because at this point in time, this is now trend
Speaker 3: How quickly we forget last year Zach Mark want his
Speaker 3: money sitting down and what Jerry Jerry was doing?
Speaker 2: Nope, nope, And I bought it off. I just I
Speaker 2: just sat there and ate the whole bowl of Jerry saying.
Speaker 3: Zach stut that got paid of course, and he came in,
Speaker 3: stepped in offense, went went went right on down the road.
Speaker 3: So I expect the same thing to happen for cd Lamb.
Speaker 3: This is not a new offense. He knows the offense.
Speaker 3: He knows Dak Prescott. They'll get him signed and off
Speaker 3: he'll go. I'm not worried about Ceedee Lamb from the
Speaker 3: standpoint of him as a player. You do have questions
Speaker 3: about being in football shape. George hamstrings, those types of
Speaker 3: injuries that happened. There's a concern there.
Speaker 2: But it's going to get done. He's going to get paid.
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott went through this, tank, Lawrence went through this,
Speaker 3: e isekil Elliott went through this, Amari Cooper went through this.
Speaker 2: We just this is how it goes right right now.
Speaker 3: When we start talking about guys who are good players
Speaker 3: who want their money, they're having to sit up here
Speaker 3: and play this dance.
Speaker 2: I don't get why, but this is what we see.
Speaker 6: Are you guys concerned at all about, you know, a
Speaker 6: slow start, because this isn't you know the Jets, the Patriots,
Speaker 6: the Giants that you're starting out with.
Speaker 2: Brother, we already talked about this. So if it's.
Speaker 6: Slow, if you McCarthy and you're on that on that
Speaker 6: year where hey, things got to happen fast. Like I said,
Speaker 6: they're not going to get some cupkick teams to start
Speaker 6: the season. We rattled off the guys that they got
Speaker 6: to go against to start the season. Right, if your
Speaker 6: season goes off one and at they start off.
Speaker 2: One and three, one and four at.
Speaker 3: Cleveland, home against the Saints, home against the Ravens, Thursday
Speaker 3: night at the Giants, then a home game against the Pittsburgh's. No,
Speaker 3: a road game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Then a home
Speaker 3: game is against the Detroit Lions. Then a road game
Speaker 3: at the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you want all your sal just firing.
Speaker 3: With a small little break from the Falcons on the road.
Speaker 3: Did he get home and you face the Eagles at home?
Speaker 2: Then you get the Texans at home?
Speaker 7: You know nothing?
Speaker 2: So the facton is the easiest thing. We lay that
Speaker 2: so you.
Speaker 6: Might becall you I want all my cylinders rolling once
Speaker 6: the season start. I wanted to, you know, get this
Speaker 6: ramped up, slow start, so you know, I want my
Speaker 6: guy in the building a sat but that you know.
Speaker 2: They can catch this els right exactly. You know how
Speaker 2: Cowboys is?
Speaker 5: You know, you know, here's the thing, and aside from
Speaker 5: those first five games, aside from those first five games,
Speaker 5: how many of those teams especially starting out the first
Speaker 5: quarter of the season our NFC champion. You know teams
Speaker 5: that obviously you have the San Francisco on there. You
Speaker 5: know what they did, But that wasn't you said one
Speaker 5: and four? Right, Baltimore, you said one and four. So
Speaker 5: I'm just going over the first part of the season
Speaker 5: before we build these guys up to be world beating
Speaker 5: since we don't do it every week, right, we're gonna
Speaker 5: do it every right Now, Cleveland is a world beater, right,
Speaker 5: but we're not gonna come back to this three weeks
Speaker 5: later when Cleveland loses to Jacksonville and say, oh man,
Speaker 5: but when they come up against us, they world beater us.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna just say this right now. The news cycle
Speaker 5: for Dallas Cowboy fans have got to be it's got
Speaker 5: to have you frustrated because all you're hearing is this doubt,
Speaker 5: intrepidation about the Dallas Cowboys. Now ceedee, lamb hold Now
Speaker 5: does not make this look good. It doesn't. You need
Speaker 5: that biggest piece of your offense in the building. But
Speaker 5: are there other teams dealing with the same thing? Does
Speaker 5: Is there history where a main part of your offense
Speaker 5: was holding out and then came back and you still
Speaker 5: had success to the season. I'm just saying that there
Speaker 5: is a road map to this and that's not before
Speaker 5: we continue with this dark cloud.
Speaker 6: But I don't know, to be real, he is the offense,
Speaker 6: Like I can't see if it was one piece. Serve
Speaker 6: you know a little bit. That man is the offense.
Speaker 6: Chris Jones last year. I mean, I'm sorry, Chris Jones
Speaker 6: last year for Kansas City. He holds out, But I
Speaker 6: think that ends well for Kansas City after Chris Jones
Speaker 6: holds out, right, Yeah, okay, So I mean, let's not
Speaker 6: act like it's burn the boats.
Speaker 2: I don't know. They're in the NFL. They're in the NFL,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna pount them out.
Speaker 5: You ask me to ask You asked me about somebody,
Speaker 5: and I pointed that out exception.
Speaker 3: I will tell you this, when we start saying anything
Speaker 3: with Kansas City.
Speaker 2: You can't take them off the table. So that's the
Speaker 2: point to me. They're an except two times super Bowl champions.
Speaker 2: They but and you know, I.
Speaker 5: Am literally with you on that, because the news cycle
Speaker 5: will dictate that you would think the Cowboys won the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl last year because year and the year before that,
Speaker 5: because Look, Patrick Mahomes is on the verge of his
Speaker 5: fourth super Bowl, three in a row, and I think
Speaker 5: that's notable.
Speaker 2: You should talk about that. But what are we talking about.
Speaker 5: We're talking about the Dallas Cowboys who rules and runs
Speaker 5: the news cycle. And I'm telling you, Cowboy Nations, I'm exhausted.
Speaker 5: I'm exhausted because I think right now, like you guys
Speaker 5: are saying, right now, we're one and four, Oh my god,
Speaker 5: there's a hole in the boat and where we started
Speaker 5: the season yet, So you're telling me your main weapon,
Speaker 5: the weapon, we gotta sign him if he's not in
Speaker 5: the building. That doesn't No, I'm not sitting here telling
Speaker 5: you and trying to convince you my hopium is not
Speaker 5: that good, all right, So I'm not saying that. I
Speaker 5: think that we start off week one against the against
Speaker 5: out in Cleveland and we don't have cd on and
Speaker 5: Cavante Turpin is out there, Jalen you know Brooks. So
Speaker 5: I come on, man, we got a bunch of we
Speaker 5: got a bunch of threes and fours, but we know
Speaker 5: we need our main dog. And I think that's the
Speaker 5: frustrating thing about it and why we can't get this
Speaker 5: done and now he is saying, look, that's just the
Speaker 5: song and dance that at the front office usually plays
Speaker 5: for it for its superstar players. But we expect for
Speaker 5: it to get done because otherwise, you see what I see?
Speaker 5: How do we get through this first part of the
Speaker 5: season without our main guy.
Speaker 3: He just changes so much of what a defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: is going to call. But it's gonna get done. That's
Speaker 3: all of this. And I don't watch the debate shows.
Speaker 3: I spare myself with that. But we know the Cowboys
Speaker 3: are a driving topic of the show fourteen that's on
Speaker 3: the verge of possibly being the first to win three
Speaker 3: Super Bowls in a row. I hardly ever see enough
Speaker 3: talked about with Kansas City and what the road they're
Speaker 3: going down. So that's why I think cowboy fan comes
Speaker 3: up to you hack them on the street and they're
Speaker 3: asking you, Barry, when you're out there golf and going
Speaker 3: on here, people hit me up and I'm just telling
Speaker 3: you it's going to get done. The deal's going to
Speaker 3: get done, and then we'll try to figure oh, okay,
Speaker 3: well what about dak The storyline is going to be
Speaker 3: set until these deals are done that people want to
Speaker 3: make and talk about them, and then Jerry likes this.
Speaker 3: Can we admit that to Jerry enjoys this. Microphones are
Speaker 3: coming up here, He's what am I gonna say?
Speaker 2: And this? And then you go on air, you know
Speaker 2: we do need city all this stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not panicking. I mean all of
Speaker 3: Jerry enjoys this.
Speaker 2: Man ultimate business man.
Speaker 3: Yes, in the negotiator, he enjoys it. And so when
Speaker 3: they're talking about we oll they offered in thirty three,
Speaker 3: he wants thirty five. And so there's another thing. Where
Speaker 3: do you think we in the media get that kind
Speaker 3: of number from?
Speaker 2: Yeah, where did that come from? That's true? That leaked out.
Speaker 2: You take something this that leaked out.
Speaker 3: You got text with somebody. Heck, we just to let
Speaker 3: you know, Barry, I mean, that's that's what happens. Yeah,
Speaker 3: of course, throw it on out there. Then you hear
Speaker 3: thirty three. Oh you know, then the average Joe fan,
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, hocky, do you not take thirty three?
Speaker 2: How much do you need? Exactly?
Speaker 3: I got that whole thing. The other perception part that
Speaker 3: fans love to jump on. Yeah, that thing goes out
Speaker 3: that we've seen that happen before.
Speaker 8: That's that.
Speaker 2: This is all part of the negotiations.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I'm just telling
Speaker 3: you the deal will get done because ask yourself, then
Speaker 3: ask yourself this, when's the last time it didn't get
Speaker 3: done for a player that Jerry really wanted.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just something about this season that's a little
Speaker 5: the wave that last season, and it just makes this
Speaker 5: season just a little bit different. There's a twins, there's
Speaker 5: something different about it because you have three market setting
Speaker 5: deals that are going to be on the table. I
Speaker 5: don't know a lot of teams that have to face that.
Speaker 5: I mean San Francisco maybe in that vein where they're
Speaker 5: resetting the market with each deal that they have to do,
Speaker 5: especially with their quarterback coming up. But you know in
Speaker 5: BCU more than anybody can speak to this that you
Speaker 5: can't be mad at these players for chasing the bag.
Speaker 5: You know you can't. And it's just like, give you
Speaker 5: a class example. Out in Cincinnati, Jamar Chase is dealing
Speaker 5: with the owner who has been known to be a
Speaker 5: fierce negotiator, and Paul Brown is telling him, I'm not
Speaker 5: even negotiating this this year.
Speaker 2: But what is Jamar Chase saying? I don't care.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna sit in all right, because guys are as
Speaker 5: intimidated as are gonna acquiesce because there's no state tax,
Speaker 5: and all guys want the bag. And anybody getting upset
Speaker 5: with guys that are chasing the bag and knowing what
Speaker 5: their value is, you only get one time to get
Speaker 5: you what you're worth.
Speaker 2: And you can't be mad at yeah, because you know,
Speaker 2: look at the other way.
Speaker 6: If if he goes out there and God forbid this happens,
Speaker 6: gets injured, then what man, tough break, Man tough break.
Speaker 6: We'll circle back and see what you look like after this.
Speaker 6: You know, injuries healed up so MANIAI Dak Prescott a
Speaker 6: quarter exam, but that's the quarterback he'll talk about. Receive
Speaker 6: the quarterback you gonna get achilles. Wasn't that kir Cousin
Speaker 6: had achilles? He still got the bad wide Receive it.
Speaker 6: You get a serious injury defensive lineman, linebacker.
Speaker 3: I think a player like Cede Lamb and what he
Speaker 3: did last year would still find himself paid. Cooper Cooper
Speaker 3: cup the Rams injured last year with Pooka, the coup
Speaker 3: are going off. Pook Theo was showing.
Speaker 2: Like you know, my baby.
Speaker 3: If Cooper, if Cooper cup is on the market's gonna
Speaker 3: get paid because he's a prime receiver. And when I
Speaker 3: look at Cede Lamb, that's the same type of thing
Speaker 3: like this dude being hurt would still get a monster
Speaker 3: contract because how many CD Lambs are there out there,
Speaker 3: They're just ain't a bunch of This is a special player,
Speaker 3: and I don't use that word very much, but this
Speaker 3: is a special player. And if the special player hurt
Speaker 3: his knees, special player would get paid.
Speaker 2: But when he gets market setting paid, what.
Speaker 3: He's trying to well, you know that's a fair point,
Speaker 3: which is also why he's not there, which is why
Speaker 3: this is why he's chilling wherever he's act because he's
Speaker 3: going to make sure that doesn't happen exactly, which is
Speaker 3: what any smart agent would would do, would be Whereas
Speaker 3: Dak is on the other side of Hey, I'm a quarterback.
Speaker 3: I've got to be here, I got to play this
Speaker 3: thing out. And you said, Kirk Cousins, he is showing
Speaker 3: you me, bad Achilles. They're still going to get you
Speaker 3: a back.
Speaker 2: Still got the bag, old man bad.
Speaker 3: Achilles, never could move anyway, Still getting the bad So
Speaker 3: Dak is getting paid for the people out there, but
Speaker 3: there's too much of you.
Speaker 2: Guess what he's gonna get. Get it. He's going to get.
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys or whoever that Dak Prescott is going to
Speaker 3: find himself as a paid individual. We can talk about
Speaker 3: Ceedee Lamb all day long and what he'll do, but
Speaker 3: here's just the honest facts of this. And we'll come
Speaker 3: back from the break talk about this part. Unless these
Speaker 3: offensive line questions get answered and so we start to
Speaker 3: see this thing fall into shape, it may not matter
Speaker 3: the Cowboys take on the Chargers Sunday in their final
Speaker 3: preseason game. The offensive line is definitely still a question mark.
Speaker 3: Let's speak about one position, a critical position on that
Speaker 3: offensive line. Next bear you raise it in the topics.
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Speaker 3: weekend offensive line.
Speaker 2: Barry, you brought up a good question here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, brock Hoffman the incumbent versus uh Cooper b B.
Speaker 3: Yes from your k State wild Cats. Em every man
Speaker 3: of Wildcat BB is a rookie. Yeah, Hoffman has played.
Speaker 3: I still say at this point in time, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be haff to me. And I say this from the
Speaker 3: standpoint of you, Mike McCarthy, you Dak Prescott. You're both
Speaker 3: in the final year of your contract. I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: out here and go with somebody who's seen some bullets.
Speaker 2: We got Cleveland at me. You've seen it. BB.
Speaker 3: Stay ready, do you think? But that's just my opinion.
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens. We'll see what health goes there.
Speaker 3: So Church your thoughts on.
Speaker 2: The center position, it's center battle. I'm with you one
Speaker 2: hundred percent on that one.
Speaker 6: I'd rather go if I'm the Prescott and you know
Speaker 6: you're going into this year and you want to be
Speaker 6: able to stand up right. Not that BB can't get
Speaker 6: the job done, but you want somebody with experience, especially
Speaker 6: at the quarterback position of the offensive line, and this
Speaker 6: is somebody has to go in there kind of help
Speaker 6: line up the line, make sure the protection's coming from
Speaker 6: the right angle, make sure they're bumping this way, bumping
Speaker 6: that way, fan and whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2: You want somebody with a little bit more experience.
Speaker 6: And this is you know, Cooper BB's rookie season, who
Speaker 6: if I'm not mistaken, he played guard right at.
Speaker 2: All American guard all American guards, so that's his main position.
Speaker 6: So he's trying to get into a new role, and
Speaker 6: as talented as he may be, you want that experience
Speaker 6: there to hold down the fort because we all understand
Speaker 6: what upsets quarterbacks the most is when you get that
Speaker 6: pressure right in your face. So to me, brock Hoffman
Speaker 6: as of right now is the choice that I would
Speaker 6: put at center. He had some experience in there, and
Speaker 6: he hasn't played bad. It's not like he's out there
Speaker 6: just getting tossed around out the club. He's been able
Speaker 6: to hold his own this preseason in training camp. So
Speaker 6: for me, I'm going towards Hoffman to be that starting guy.
Speaker 6: But you got bb blitpreathing right down his neck.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is one of those arguments. I think initially
Speaker 5: you thought that Hoffman was just gonna run away with
Speaker 5: it just because of the experience. But now you're gett
Speaker 5: an opportunity to get eyes on Cooper bb And what
Speaker 5: your eyes are telling you is that he pack a
Speaker 5: little nasty with him. And that's the thing that you
Speaker 5: love about him is that he is bringing something that
Speaker 5: you have been craving for.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 5: You want that guy who is a finisher, you know
Speaker 5: that is getting to the second level and you're seeing
Speaker 5: him destroy linebackers in safeties as that running back is
Speaker 5: still coming behind him, and you know, and this is Look,
Speaker 5: this is just a jimmysm. And if you talk to
Speaker 5: Nate Newton long enough, he'll give you a couple of jimmysms.
Speaker 5: And that's the that's the the fact that you have
Speaker 5: an incumbent that is on the same level as a rookie,
Speaker 5: and who does the job go to. If this is
Speaker 5: Jimmy Johnson's team, the rookie's gonna get it, because why,
Speaker 5: it's not like he's leaps and bounds better than Cooper BB.
Speaker 2: Your eyes are showing you and telling you.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, he breathed down the stroke because down his neck,
Speaker 5: because look, he's not as good as that guy, or
Speaker 5: at least especially when you've been on rosters and you say, look,
Speaker 5: that guy's better than this guy. How did he not make?
Speaker 5: And then there's some things to show you. He's a
Speaker 5: bigger draft, big money, all those things. When you look
Speaker 5: at these two players, it's like the rookie cut he's
Speaker 5: edging him out is in certain areas, And I think
Speaker 5: that level of nasty really is what got me with
Speaker 5: Cooper BB. And I think when you have an all
Speaker 5: pro to your left and an all pro to your
Speaker 5: to your right, man, you're in great company. And I
Speaker 5: think he's gonna be protected. But again, I just think
Speaker 5: his mentality is what's gonna make him successful this season.
Speaker 2: On the offensive line.
Speaker 3: What a good problem, now, exactly right, Okay, I mean
Speaker 3: the end of the day, what a good problem to
Speaker 3: have it with Mike Sallari, the offensive line coach has
Speaker 3: done out here is pretty tremendous. That you've got an
Speaker 3: undrafted kid in Brock Coffin who they brought in last
Speaker 3: year and you feel comfortable right now that you could
Speaker 3: go with him as a starter, or you got a
Speaker 3: kid that you just drafted this year that you're working
Speaker 3: with him and you're seeing up positives with him that
Speaker 3: you could have him as a start seventeen games season,
Speaker 3: both with the position flex that Mike McCarthy wants. Kudos
Speaker 3: to the Cowboys personnel department for finding the right type
Speaker 3: of talent to come in here and get the job done.
Speaker 3: I just would defer to somebody that's actually played a
Speaker 3: little bit. But at the end of the day, Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 3: and you go back to his time in Green Bay,
Speaker 3: is not afraid to play rookies. The possibility of starting
Speaker 3: two rookie offensive linemen against the Cleveland Browns, to me,
Speaker 3: is just not that appealing because at this point in time,
Speaker 3: it looks as though you're going to have to have
Speaker 3: your first round pick. Tyler got can get out there
Speaker 3: left tackle.
Speaker 2: You know. Look, you know I have my doubts.
Speaker 5: My doubts early on just not being able to see
Speaker 5: Tyler guiding, so I didn't know what he had I think,
Speaker 5: come in a way, looking at that all twenty two
Speaker 5: of him against the Raiders and Max Crosby.
Speaker 2: You see the nasty and you see why.
Speaker 5: They like him, and you see why they believe that
Speaker 5: he can be a piece for them at left tackle.
Speaker 5: That is the key position on your offensive line, don't
Speaker 5: get it twisted positions, And we talk as much about
Speaker 5: the center position as having that pressure right into the
Speaker 5: lap of the quarterback. That's his blind spot and if
Speaker 5: he can't see and you can't yell duck look loud
Speaker 5: in the NFL stadium and you have to protect him.
Speaker 5: But right now, I think, as look, we're gonna go
Speaker 5: through some growing pains.
Speaker 2: You know you are right.
Speaker 5: But one of the things that I love about Guiding
Speaker 5: when I listen to him in interviews is him talk
Speaker 5: about having technique.
Speaker 2: He's honed in on that he understands.
Speaker 5: The things that you got away with in the Big twelve,
Speaker 5: you're not gonna get away with in the NFL. And
Speaker 5: your mechanics are going to have to help you out
Speaker 5: there because these guys are just way too good. Miles
Speaker 5: Garrett will destroy you. He will you know, he will
Speaker 5: make you look stupid if you lean one way to
Speaker 5: the left or to the right. So that's why his
Speaker 5: mechanics are so important, and I think even coming into
Speaker 5: this next two weeks, I mean, we are not far
Speaker 5: away from the season starting, and you may be looking
Speaker 5: at too rookie starting, but two really good rookie starts.
Speaker 6: And when you look at it, everything you said about Bbie,
Speaker 6: the nastiness, the finishing, that's exactly what I see in Guiden.
Speaker 6: I mean, we all saw that. We all saw the
Speaker 6: tape on this guy. When you look at it that
Speaker 6: Raiders game for Exist, for example, he's tossing guys to
Speaker 6: the ground, and not only that, he's jumping finishing those guys.
Speaker 2: And as a defender, that is the most degrading thing
Speaker 2: you could have. You already on the ground, You're like, man,
Speaker 2: this dude done gap and.
Speaker 6: Then Boomy hits you, jumps right on the top of
Speaker 6: you and buries you into the ground. And that's one
Speaker 6: of the things you want as an offensive lineman. It
Speaker 6: kind of reminds me. I'm not saying he's on the
Speaker 6: same level, but a trick Williams. When he goes out
Speaker 6: out there, he's gonna bury you. He's gonna make you
Speaker 6: feel his presence each and every down, and that's what
Speaker 6: you want from your left tackle, somebody who's not gonna
Speaker 6: take no nonsense. And we saw the clips from from
Speaker 6: Trum training camp. If he loses in a one on one,
Speaker 6: he's run that right back. Run, I want it again,
Speaker 6: right back. He's not, you know, sitting there. And from
Speaker 6: what I've hear, he's a student of the game as well.
Speaker 6: You know he sits there. He doesn't want to just
Speaker 6: rest on his athleticism. Like you said, he needs the technique.
Speaker 6: He needs to sharpen that up a little bit. But
Speaker 6: from everything I read about this guy and I see
Speaker 6: it from this guy, he hasn't a chance to be
Speaker 6: an outstanding left tackle.
Speaker 5: But also I think once other teams started, because what
Speaker 5: happens is he's a he's a big unknown to a
Speaker 5: lot of defenses right now, and when he starts to
Speaker 5: put that tape out there that he's that guy that
Speaker 5: if he'll finish his guy in front of him, and
Speaker 5: he's looking to get down the field to not only
Speaker 5: block a guy, pancake a guy, but demoralize the guy.
Speaker 2: Then you start to get a reputation.
Speaker 5: And then when Trent Williams, his reputation is almost bigger
Speaker 5: than him. All he has to do is just show
Speaker 5: up and guy's are moving out here. We ain't gonna
Speaker 5: send him. We're going that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so this came from Zach Martin.
Speaker 7: Quote.
Speaker 3: They've done a good job since they've been got since
Speaker 3: they've gotten here, diving into it head first. They started
Speaker 3: training camp obviously before they got here, and in a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks they were down here training. They've been
Speaker 3: on top of the playbook since they've been here. Obviously
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks they have been thrown into
Speaker 3: the mix. He's talking about Guidon and BB. So once
Speaker 3: again another player who does not throw around words. Very
Speaker 3: likely Zach Martin's very good. And he goes on and
Speaker 3: also say you see it on tape, Tyler Goydon Man.
Speaker 3: The guy moves he still got a long ways ago,
Speaker 3: but from a movement skill, it's pretty impressive. As a rookie,
Speaker 3: coop continues to get better. Big strong guy can anchor
Speaker 3: the middle, which is great. They've done a great job.
Speaker 3: So when I have a Hall of Famer, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't like to use that word lightly either, but you
Speaker 3: just go down the resume. Zach Martin has everything that
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame guards have in terms of Honors and
Speaker 3: everything else. There you got a Hall of Fame guy
Speaker 3: who understands a position, who, by the way himself, was
Speaker 3: a left tackle and a Bowl Game MVP for Notre
Speaker 3: Dame who kicked into inside. So has an understanding about
Speaker 3: what it takes to make moves. And his brother was
Speaker 3: a guard at Notre Dame. Then he moved over to
Speaker 3: center when he went down to the Houston Texas. He has
Speaker 3: the understanding about what position flexibility and change like, especially
Speaker 3: for a guy like Cooper BB.
Speaker 2: So he's giving him that. We'll see where it goes.
Speaker 3: But like I said, my initial thought process is a
Speaker 3: go with the guy in brock Hoffmann, especially to start
Speaker 3: against the Cleveland Browns. But I will say this, whatever
Speaker 3: decision the organ isation makes, fans should back them because
Speaker 3: when it comes to the offensive line, they know what
Speaker 3: they're doing.
Speaker 2: They get it right. Oh yeah, I would agree with
Speaker 2: that one for sure.
Speaker 3: They know what they're doing there. Let's take a break.
Speaker 3: We'll come back running backs.
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Speaker 11: stones back there? The running back positions? Toy door, sat
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Speaker 2: So get it in, get it in, get it in white.
Speaker 2: You can get it in white. You can all the
Speaker 2: reps running back. Yes, what you're thinking, big dog. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean we got a lot of hesitation.
Speaker 3: Because because it's twofold kind of thing, you know. We
Speaker 3: started talking about Ceedde Lamb, Ceedee Lamb, took about the offense.
Speaker 3: Ceedee Lamb in a game changes things for the defense.
Speaker 3: According Then we went to the offensive line potentially two
Speaker 3: rookies starting, if not definitely two first time starters, whoever
Speaker 3: the center is going to be full time since Tyler
Speaker 3: the otis is now gone. And then left tackle with
Speaker 3: with our Tyron Smith gone, so two spots there, brand
Speaker 3: new starters.
Speaker 2: Then we got a running back room where.
Speaker 3: Ezekiel Elliott is not who he used to be, didn't
Speaker 3: play with the team last year. He's come back. Yeah,
Speaker 3: ric o'dondell, Nick Davis, duce fun I got el Boogie.
Speaker 3: Interesting room right now, Ezekiel Elliott looks like the starter.
Speaker 2: If the offensive line can handle their business.
Speaker 3: How many one hundred yard games do you think Ezekiel
Speaker 3: Elli could give this team.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be honest with you, diad New, I don't
Speaker 6: see any any hundred yard games from Ezekiel Elliott this season.
Speaker 6: You know, I think he'll be around maybe fifty sixty
Speaker 6: on average, and that to me would be a good,
Speaker 6: you know, a good showing because I think that'll add
Speaker 6: up to about almost one thousand yards. But I see
Speaker 6: him around there because I believe they're gonna do more
Speaker 6: of a running back by committee deal, at which I
Speaker 6: am not a fan of, but I think that's what
Speaker 6: the way they're gonna do it. You know, they're gonna
Speaker 6: have Zeke be that short yardage maybe grind, grinding, pound
Speaker 6: down on the defense and then let you know, WECo
Speaker 6: come in there, kind of like what they did with
Speaker 6: Pollard la last year. I can see that happening. But
Speaker 6: when you talk about one hundred yard games. I don't
Speaker 6: see Zeke getting more than you know, maybe twelve touches
Speaker 6: a game running the football. I can see that happening.
Speaker 6: And you know, I don't believe that he's as much
Speaker 6: of a threat in the passing game as he once was.
Speaker 6: So that's why I think they're gonna do this committee deal.
Speaker 6: And I just don't see him getting enough touches to
Speaker 6: go ahead and get that one hundred yard mark this season.
Speaker 6: You know, I could be completely wrong, but from what
Speaker 6: I've seen in training camp, and I just I just
Speaker 6: don't see it. I don't see it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna have to put some respect on Zike name, Like,
Speaker 5: did he have one last year with the Patriots? Well,
Speaker 5: he had six hundred and forty two yards last year,
Speaker 5: So I mean at six hundred and forty two, I
Speaker 5: believe if you're able to get maybe a little bit
Speaker 5: more production in that, especially if you're going with running
Speaker 5: back by committee is what I heard, you know, running
Speaker 5: back by committee, but let's say hundred yard game because
Speaker 5: of his ability to catch the ball out of the
Speaker 5: backfield as well.
Speaker 2: If his cumulative.
Speaker 5: Find a way, I'm a find a way, I'm find
Speaker 5: hold all right, I'm a find a way to get
Speaker 5: it all together. I mean, I feel like, look there
Speaker 5: more there's more than one thing that you get from
Speaker 5: Ezekiel Ellie. You pointed it out the other day just
Speaker 5: saying that, Look his ability also, you know, to pick
Speaker 5: up the blitz g' being somebody strong that you can
Speaker 5: rely on. But even that, I think one of the
Speaker 5: things that hasn't gone away from his game is his hands,
Speaker 5: his ability to catch out of the backfield, and I
Speaker 5: think he could be an asset to you in that
Speaker 5: way as well. Look, it's it's gonna be tough sledding.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be tough sledding because we don't know how
Speaker 5: the offensive line is going to come together. We know
Speaker 5: right now on our head we're looking at Zeke and
Speaker 5: we're saying short yardage specialists. You know, basically he's a
Speaker 5: guy that we know we come into a third and shorter,
Speaker 5: we're in red zone.
Speaker 2: Any of that.
Speaker 5: We can give the ball to Zeke three or four
Speaker 5: times and we know where he could what he can
Speaker 5: do for us. I think you still in the same
Speaker 5: mood a mode that Jerry is in with the defense
Speaker 5: of line. You're checking the wire you're making you're checking
Speaker 5: everything to make sure that you don't make a mistake.
Speaker 5: If there's a third guy that you can bring in
Speaker 5: that could be an asset on special teams, but also
Speaker 5: be an asset in that running back room, you take
Speaker 5: advantage of it. Or if there is a bona fide
Speaker 5: number two running back out there, look you take a
Speaker 5: flyer at them. You make sure that you get a
Speaker 5: guy in here that at least that one to two
Speaker 5: punts can be bonafide, and that could back defenses up
Speaker 5: because right now, if they don't respect the running game
Speaker 5: at all, that's gonna that's gonna add another degree of difficulty,
Speaker 5: especially if you don't have CD Lamb too to go
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 2: Your you're no one hundred yard games physique this year?
Speaker 2: And you got how many about rushing though?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: One hundred hundred yard game rushing? How many you say?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: How many I'm gonna go too. Two, I'm gonna go too. Two,
Speaker 2: I'll go too, game too. I'm with Barry Church. None.
Speaker 3: And here's here's also a main he said why one
Speaker 3: hundred yard games are also about opportunity. Last year, Ezekiel Ela
Speaker 3: didn't have one game where he had twenty plus carries. Well, no,
Speaker 3: he did one. It was one Pittsburgh fits Pittsman. New
Speaker 3: England had won twenty two twenty two carries for sixty
Speaker 3: eight yards and they won the game way yeah, twenty
Speaker 3: one and eighteen and one at Pittsburgh. Before that, in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three he had one game over with twenty
Speaker 3: carries more once and then in twenty twenty two he
Speaker 3: had one game where he had over twenty cakes.
Speaker 2: I said to NEWI.
Speaker 5: Look look man gone now, I said to Neuie, that's
Speaker 5: my hopium right, yes, said that that's it too.
Speaker 2: The last I did, say five two.
Speaker 3: The last time he rushed for one hundred yards twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one, God damn.
Speaker 2: The last time he went over one hundred dollar Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yea.
Speaker 3: He had In twenty twenty one he had just two,
Speaker 3: two games of one hundred yards and in those games
Speaker 3: he had twenty one for one ten and then he
Speaker 3: had uh.
Speaker 2: One hundred and forty three yards on I want to say.
Speaker 5: Come on, Zeke, give me two games. And I was
Speaker 5: right before he got paid it, right, give me two.
Speaker 5: So give me too, z what we're gonna put on it.
Speaker 5: So that's a gotcha question too. He set me up
Speaker 5: for that, He set me her heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got hard. He already knew he didn't have
Speaker 2: one hundred yards? Is twenty one? That's all right?
Speaker 5: I like.
Speaker 2: Two man two of the next how many? How about
Speaker 2: you got your hair.
Speaker 5: Too in the maybe I don't want to hear man.
Speaker 5: He's gonna have eight plus tubs. Yeah, game eight plus tubs.
Speaker 6: You give him eight touchdown game I game eight tubs though,
Speaker 6: He's gonna get some short yard of situations.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had eight plus tubs though. Now you think
Speaker 5: they gonna run him off and run live.
Speaker 2: Key, live key, It's gonna be they come out run
Speaker 2: both guys in the game.
Speaker 3: Because I anticipate to see the fullback in the short
Speaker 3: yard situations that we'll see. There will be opportunities. You
Speaker 3: saw the Mojoe moment. I texted you, I texted you
Speaker 3: to Momjoe.
Speaker 2: Moment coming off the side. So so.
Speaker 3: Hunter Limke will be a part of this when you're
Speaker 3: doing your running back room like that. Clearly it's it's
Speaker 3: going to be different guys. Mainly it will be Ezekiel
Speaker 3: Elliott because that's the one you trust and he's been
Speaker 3: in a Mike McCarthy offense, and Mike has knowledge of him.
Speaker 3: But overall, they're going to have to get some production
Speaker 3: for some other people. And you know, at some point time,
Speaker 3: I'm wonted by Duce Vallin that's gonna be.
Speaker 6: Now, that's that's the one that's in the roster spot
Speaker 6: right there, that's going to be because have we seen
Speaker 6: Duce on teams at all.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's returned a little bit here and there,
Speaker 2: but you got.
Speaker 6: You gonna have turp and turp and gonna have that
Speaker 6: handled during the regular season.
Speaker 5: Can he run down, don't kick off and make a tackle?
Speaker 5: Punt punp protection hadn't seen him do it. You hadn't
Speaker 5: seen him in any preseason action doing that, and you know,
Speaker 5: hadn't had any word about him coming out of Oxnard
Speaker 5: doing that either. So I mean, it's tough. It'll be tough.
Speaker 5: It's tough. And that's when you start to start talking
Speaker 5: about the fifty three. How many actual running backs are
Speaker 5: going to be on this roster? I mean we talked
Speaker 5: about that last show, like how many you know, are
Speaker 5: gonna because somebody's not somebody good isn't gonna make it.
Speaker 3: And but we they've done that before, so we know,
Speaker 3: we know where you know, Malak Davis is a type
Speaker 3: of player you cut because you're going to feel like,
Speaker 3: who can we get back? And so if he's been
Speaker 3: okay for you, how many people out there are going
Speaker 3: to snatch him up and say, oh yeah, we want
Speaker 3: this guy. So to me, when it comes down to
Speaker 3: final cuts, I anticipate seeing a linebacker or defensive lineman
Speaker 3: or office I see them taking one extra and say, hey,
Speaker 3: well gamble on the running back because the other thing too.
Speaker 3: And you guys know this and fans always think about it.
Speaker 3: You have to go. You know, you got to get
Speaker 3: somebody's gonna come and learn your system. If it's not
Speaker 3: the system, you know, that makes it even challenging for
Speaker 3: certain guys, especially the running back spot, because your guy's
Speaker 3: got to be able to do pass pro.
Speaker 5: What's what's your confidence level right now? With Rico Dabble
Speaker 5: as that that you know pace back.
Speaker 6: Basically, I think he could be a solid, solid number two.
Speaker 6: I think as a season progresses, he can even jump
Speaker 6: into that number one spot if he can continue to
Speaker 6: grow as a player in pass protection. I think he
Speaker 6: shows a little bit more burst and juice than Ezekiel Elliott,
Speaker 6: and if they can trust him over time, I think
Speaker 6: he can, you know, start to get more and more
Speaker 6: carries as the game goes on, because I feel like
Speaker 6: he still does have that explosive to explosiveness to his game.
Speaker 6: But when you talk about a guy like Royce, like
Speaker 6: Royce Freeman, I just think he's too similar to Zeke,
Speaker 6: Like you got two in between the tackles downhill guys,
Speaker 6: I don't see Royce being able to make it.
Speaker 2: And that's another kind of guy you can cut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, we're gonna cut him because we feel like
Speaker 3: we can get him back versus letting letting a player
Speaker 3: go here. Before we get out of here, you brought
Speaker 3: up another question here. Could Jalen Hobert be the number
Speaker 3: two receiver Church? You brought that up here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he can make that jump. I mean,
Speaker 6: I know, you know rookie year, you know he was
Speaker 6: kind of a red shirt year. Second year, he has
Speaker 6: eighteen grabs. But this year you look at it and
Speaker 6: it's and I feel like each year he's gotten better
Speaker 6: and better, and his rapport, his connection with Dak has
Speaker 6: gotten better and better. And when you look at it
Speaker 6: you got an agent Cooks out there who's not really
Speaker 6: taking the top off of defenses like he once did
Speaker 6: back in the day.
Speaker 2: So to me, as a season.
Speaker 6: Progresses, I can see Tobert kind of sliding into that
Speaker 6: number two wide receiver spot because he's gonna.
Speaker 2: Get a lot of one on ones.
Speaker 6: I mean, you got Fer, you got ceedee Lamble, He's
Speaker 6: gonna get a lot of one on ones. And if
Speaker 6: he can continue to get better as the year goes
Speaker 6: on and win those one on one battles, I can
Speaker 6: see him sliding into that that number two option for
Speaker 6: this passing attack.
Speaker 5: I've taken all of my expectation off of Jaalen Tober,
Speaker 5: and I think anything that he does because I don't
Speaker 5: have any expectation, is good for me.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I don't say asking him to take the step to
Speaker 5: be a number two wide receiver in the NFL right now,
Speaker 5: I think it's a stretch because we hadn't even seen
Speaker 5: that spark yet in a game where he's like, oh man,
Speaker 5: that's going off right now, and that's what that's what
Speaker 5: you want, you know, you want an eye you to
Speaker 5: debo where you're like, oh man, deebo, that's an embarrassment
Speaker 5: of riches. When you have a guy like this that
Speaker 5: can take over in your main star that you're thinking, deebo.
Speaker 5: It doesn't even have to be a part of the
Speaker 5: passing game or running game, and so we just haven't
Speaker 5: seen it.
Speaker 2: I think the only thing that we have close to.
Speaker 5: That is ferg Uh, you know, and we need Yeah, hey,
Speaker 5: pro bowl Ferg you know that's what we need.
Speaker 2: Yes, he keeps saying, keep.
Speaker 5: Saying it because he's right there, he knocking on the
Speaker 5: cuspcuse mister Kittle. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I think I
Speaker 5: think that's where you know your offense can go. Who
Speaker 5: can be that three and four? And I think Tobert
Speaker 5: right now is your four? You know Brandon Cooks obviously, man,
Speaker 5: his speed is something that's still formidable, and he's still
Speaker 5: a guy. I think in the second year of this
Speaker 5: offense that we'll see him take bigger strides Ferg ferg
Speaker 5: for Kittle Kelsey, Yeah, Kittle Kelsey, Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a lot of people doubt him. You
Speaker 5: got to go back and look at the numbers. We
Speaker 5: do it with everybody else, we just don't do it
Speaker 5: with Ferguson.
Speaker 2: Okay, fur delicious. Man. You love to know that, man,
Speaker 2: I love to know that. That's eighty seven in the league. Ye,
Speaker 2: Mike's had Pro Bowl fullbacks before John Coole.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a blueprint. There's a blueprint. That's all
Speaker 3: I'm going by is what I see, guys, So you
Speaker 3: can laugh at it. But McCarthy, I mean, it's just
Speaker 3: like Mark McCarthy. How many times did I beat up
Speaker 3: on your boy Kelling and say Mike was the guy?
Speaker 2: Was I right last year?
Speaker 6: Or now?
Speaker 2: All I gotta say is Harold minor, Harold minor baby
Speaker 2: Jordan's It's a big difference. It's a big difference. I
Speaker 2: was right. I was right about Mike calling players versus
Speaker 2: your boy Kellen. All your boy Kellen Diaders go out
Speaker 2: there and get fired.
Speaker 3: Ain't going to Philadelphia, get talking about.
Speaker 2: Somebody got problems. Problems over there that we count.
Speaker 5: The can the interceptions that Jaylor hurt is it's another
Speaker 5: day head thrown an interception in camp that ain't good?
Speaker 2: Ain't good? Keore doing his thing? Yeah, Herbert fell off.
Speaker 2: Your boy fell off. I said, Ellen was bad. And
Speaker 2: Kellen do your job over there.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 3: You know what, Kendrick Lamar I have a song about him,
Speaker 3: say I told you to be careful with you.
Speaker 2: That was bad. He was sad. Your boy was bad. Fire,
Speaker 2: he was bad in l A. Yeah he was bad.
Speaker 2: He was, but he was bad like it was bad.
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