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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Players Lounge,

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Speaker 1: broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star.

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Speaker 1: Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCrae, Heckma Harrison and

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Speaker 1: new he scrugs.

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Speaker 2: Here we are.

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Speaker 3: To do the Players Last with you live from the

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Speaker 3: s w b C podcast studio at the Star. Here

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Speaker 3: if Frisco, Texas guy had Ma Harrison in the house,

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Speaker 3: Barry Church, Lexon, Lexon.

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Speaker 2: And beautiful in here with their foolishness today.

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Speaker 3: Man, that's he bought the shirt like that. He bought

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Speaker 3: the shirt like that when he when he tried it on,

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Speaker 3: he knew it was a three x you knowing style.

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Speaker 4: In Italy right here on the players Oh boy, oh boy, but.

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Speaker 2: Ceed lamb conversation.

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Speaker 3: Somebody asked me on the way down, what do you

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Speaker 3: guys tell people, because because you know, Cowboy fans come

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Speaker 3: up to their ass. So what do you say when

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Speaker 3: people ask you about the country, Is it going to

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Speaker 3: get there?

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Speaker 2: What do you say?

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Speaker 5: You know what the hardest thing for me to do

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Speaker 5: is try and articulate them, you know, pretty much holding

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Speaker 5: this deal over CD's head right now when you've already

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Speaker 5: have a placer there, so it I can't clearly articulate

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Speaker 5: to anyone why this thing hasn't been done so far

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Speaker 5: when we know that thirty five is the number. I

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Speaker 5: think it becomes frustrating when you start looking at Okay,

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Speaker 5: when does CD need to be into camp? How does

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Speaker 5: him and Dak and the rest of this offense get

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Speaker 5: back in rhythm with any with each other? Especially the

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Speaker 5: way that we ended the season off you would think

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Speaker 5: that this season, this particular season, would you about all

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Speaker 5: hands on deck, everybody getting back down together because of

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Speaker 5: the home record that we had and just knowing that, look,

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Speaker 5: you felt good about last year's team, all you need

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Speaker 5: to do is take the next step. If Cedee Lamb

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Speaker 5: has look, what was it, ten games with one hundred

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Speaker 5: and some seven games with ten catches, he does that

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Speaker 5: in the first four games of the season, You're looking

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Speaker 5: at a guy that maybe finishes with two thousand yards.

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Speaker 5: Are all ifs and maybes and hope it's on the table.

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Speaker 5: I haven't get it out, but either way, there's.

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Speaker 2: No way to explain it.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't make sense now, it doesn't make sense at all.

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Speaker 6: And you know, we talked a little bit before the show.

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Speaker 6: I just don't understand why, you know, you're basically your offense,

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Speaker 6: which is CD, you're passing attack. Because outside of you know, CD,

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Speaker 6: you have Ferguson, who's you know, he's a good tight

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Speaker 6: end and upcoming tight end. You got Cooks who's up

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Speaker 6: there in age. But other than that, CD is your

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Speaker 6: passing attack. Why does he have to go up the

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Speaker 6: river and through the woods, you know, to get his money?

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Speaker 2: And we all understand you said it earlier.

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Speaker 6: The number is thirty five, and I can see if

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Speaker 6: it was, you know, comparing Justin Jefferson to a you know,

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Speaker 6: Devonte Smith out and out in Philly, where it's like

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Speaker 6: there's a big gap in there. But to me, the

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Speaker 6: gap between Justin Jefferson and Cede Lamb, it's if there is,

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Speaker 6: it'snu it's minute, you know, it's it's as much it's

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Speaker 6: a little bit. So I don't see the disconnect there.

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Speaker 6: You got your number, what you want to where you

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Speaker 6: want to be at. And we talked about you know,

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Speaker 6: this team wanting to take that next step and being

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Speaker 6: you know, considered a true contender for their ultimate goal,

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Speaker 6: which is the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: You can't achieve that without your man in the building.

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Speaker 6: And the only thing that is doing right now with

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Speaker 6: this negotiations, it's hurting that chemistry, it's hurting what that

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Speaker 6: you got to get that man in the building as

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Speaker 6: soon as possible. Do I think it's gonna take you know,

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Speaker 6: months for him and that to get you know, a connection. No,

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Speaker 6: it might take a week or two for them to

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Speaker 6: get that connection going. But overall, you got to get

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: So I asked this question by someone in this building,

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Speaker 3: and I said, it'll get done and he'll get paid

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Speaker 3: Because at this point in time, this is now trend

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Speaker 3: How quickly we forget last year Zach Mark want his

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Speaker 2: Nope, nope, And I bought it off. I just I

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Speaker 3: So I expect the same thing to happen for cd Lamb.

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Speaker 3: This is not a new offense. He knows the offense.

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Speaker 3: He knows Dak Prescott. They'll get him signed and off

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Speaker 3: he'll go. I'm not worried about Ceedee Lamb from the

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Speaker 3: standpoint of him as a player. You do have questions

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Speaker 3: about being in football shape. George hamstrings, those types of

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Speaker 3: injuries that happened. There's a concern there.

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Speaker 2: But it's going to get done. He's going to get paid.

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Speaker 3: Dak Prescott went through this, tank, Lawrence went through this,

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Speaker 3: e isekil Elliott went through this, Amari Cooper went through this.

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Speaker 2: We just this is how it goes right right now.

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Speaker 3: When we start talking about guys who are good players

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Speaker 3: who want their money, they're having to sit up here

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Speaker 3: and play this dance.

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Speaker 2: I don't get why, but this is what we see.

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Speaker 6: Are you guys concerned at all about, you know, a

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Speaker 6: slow start, because this isn't you know the Jets, the Patriots,

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Speaker 6: the Giants that you're starting out with.

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Speaker 2: Brother, we already talked about this. So if it's.

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Speaker 6: Slow, if you McCarthy and you're on that on that

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Speaker 6: year where hey, things got to happen fast. Like I said,

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Speaker 6: they're not going to get some cupkick teams to start

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Speaker 6: the season. We rattled off the guys that they got

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Speaker 6: to go against to start the season. Right, if your

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Speaker 6: season goes off one and at they start off.

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Speaker 2: One and three, one and four at.

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Speaker 3: Cleveland, home against the Saints, home against the Ravens, Thursday

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Speaker 3: night at the Giants, then a home game against the Pittsburgh's. No,

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Speaker 3: a road game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Then a home

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Speaker 3: at the forty nine Ers.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you want all your sal just firing.

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Speaker 3: With a small little break from the Falcons on the road.

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Speaker 3: Did he get home and you face the Eagles at home?

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Speaker 2: Then you get the Texans at home?

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Speaker 7: You know nothing?

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Speaker 2: So the facton is the easiest thing. We lay that

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Speaker 6: Might becall you I want all my cylinders rolling once

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Speaker 2: They can catch this els right exactly. You know how

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Speaker 5: You know, you know, here's the thing, and aside from

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Speaker 5: those first five games, aside from those first five games,

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Speaker 5: how many of those teams especially starting out the first

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Speaker 5: that obviously you have the San Francisco on there. You

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Speaker 5: know what they did, But that wasn't you said one

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Speaker 5: I'm just going over the first part of the season

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Speaker 5: before we build these guys up to be world beating

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Speaker 5: since we don't do it every week, right, we're gonna

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Speaker 5: do it every right Now, Cleveland is a world beater, right,

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Speaker 5: but we're not gonna come back to this three weeks

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Speaker 5: but when they come up against us, they world beater us.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna just say this right now. The news cycle

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Speaker 5: for Dallas Cowboy fans have got to be it's got

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Speaker 5: to have you frustrated because all you're hearing is this doubt,

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Speaker 5: intrepidation about the Dallas Cowboys. Now ceedee, lamb hold Now

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Speaker 5: does not make this look good. It doesn't. You need

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Speaker 5: that biggest piece of your offense in the building. But

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Speaker 5: are there other teams dealing with the same thing? Does

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Speaker 5: Is there history where a main part of your offense

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Speaker 5: was holding out and then came back and you still

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Speaker 5: had success to the season. I'm just saying that there

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Speaker 5: is a road map to this and that's not before

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Speaker 5: we continue with this dark cloud.

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Speaker 6: But I don't know, to be real, he is the offense,

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Speaker 6: Like I can't see if it was one piece. Serve

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Speaker 6: you know a little bit. That man is the offense.

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Speaker 6: Chris Jones last year. I mean, I'm sorry, Chris Jones

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Speaker 6: last year for Kansas City. He holds out, But I

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Speaker 6: think that ends well for Kansas City after Chris Jones

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Speaker 6: holds out, right, Yeah, okay, So I mean, let's not

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Speaker 6: act like it's burn the boats.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. They're in the NFL. They're in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna pount them out.

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Speaker 5: You ask me to ask You asked me about somebody,

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Speaker 5: and I pointed that out exception.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you this, when we start saying anything

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Speaker 3: with Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: You can't take them off the table. So that's the

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Speaker 2: point to me. They're an except two times super Bowl champions.

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Speaker 5: Am literally with you on that, because the news cycle

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Speaker 5: will dictate that you would think the Cowboys won the

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl last year because year and the year before that,

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Speaker 5: because Look, Patrick Mahomes is on the verge of his

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Speaker 5: fourth super Bowl, three in a row, and I think

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Speaker 2: You should talk about that. But what are we talking about.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about the Dallas Cowboys who rules and runs

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Speaker 5: the news cycle. And I'm telling you, Cowboy Nations, I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 5: I'm exhausted because I think right now, like you guys

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Speaker 5: are saying, right now, we're one and four, Oh my god,

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Speaker 5: there's a hole in the boat and where we started

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Speaker 5: the season yet, So you're telling me your main weapon,

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Speaker 5: the weapon, we gotta sign him if he's not in

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Speaker 5: the building. That doesn't No, I'm not sitting here telling

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Speaker 5: you and trying to convince you my hopium is not

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Speaker 5: that good, all right, So I'm not saying that. I

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Speaker 5: I come on, man, we got a bunch of we

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Speaker 5: we need our main dog. And I think that's the

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Speaker 5: frustrating thing about it and why we can't get this

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Speaker 5: it to get done because otherwise, you see what I see?

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Speaker 5: How do we get through this first part of the

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Speaker 3: He just changes so much of what a defensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: is going to call. But it's gonna get done. That's

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Speaker 3: all of this. And I don't watch the debate shows.

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Speaker 3: I spare myself with that. But we know the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: are a driving topic of the show fourteen that's on

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Speaker 3: the verge of possibly being the first to win three

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Speaker 3: Super Bowls in a row. I hardly ever see enough

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Speaker 3: up to you hack them on the street and they're

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Speaker 3: asking you, Barry, when you're out there golf and going

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Speaker 2: And this? And then you go on air, you know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where did that come from? That's true? That leaked out.

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Speaker 3: you know, Barry, I mean, that's that's what happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: How much do you need? Exactly?

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Speaker 3: I got that whole thing. The other perception part that

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Speaker 8: That's that.

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Speaker 2: This is all part of the negotiations.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I'm just telling

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just something about this season that's a little

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Speaker 5: You know you can't. And it's just like, give you

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Speaker 2: But what is Jamar Chase saying? I don't care.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna sit in all right, because guys are as

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Speaker 2: And you can't be mad at yeah, because you know,

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Speaker 6: If if he goes out there and God forbid this happens,

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Speaker 6: You know, injuries healed up so MANIAI Dak Prescott a

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Speaker 3: I think a player like Cede Lamb and what he

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Speaker 2: Like you know, my baby.

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Speaker 3: If Cooper, if Cooper cup is on the market's gonna

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Speaker 3: look at Cede Lamb, that's the same type of thing

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Speaker 3: like this dude being hurt would still get a monster

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Speaker 3: contract because how many CD Lambs are there out there,

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Speaker 3: They're just ain't a bunch of This is a special player,

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Speaker 3: and I don't use that word very much, but this

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Speaker 2: But when he gets market setting paid, what.

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Speaker 3: He's trying to well, you know that's a fair point,

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Speaker 3: going to make sure that doesn't happen exactly, which is

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Speaker 3: what any smart agent would would do, would be Whereas

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Speaker 3: Dak is on the other side of Hey, I'm a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I've got to be here, I got to play this

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Speaker 3: you me, bad Achilles. They're still going to get you

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Speaker 3: a back.

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Speaker 2: Still got the bag, old man bad.

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Speaker 3: Achilles, never could move anyway, Still getting the bad So

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Speaker 3: Dak is getting paid for the people out there, but

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Speaker 2: Guess what he's gonna get. Get it. He's going to get.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brock Hoffman the incumbent versus uh Cooper b B.

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Speaker 2: We got Cleveland at me. You've seen it. BB.

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Speaker 2: The center position, it's center battle. I'm with you one

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Speaker 6: I'd rather go if I'm the Prescott and you know

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Speaker 2: You want somebody with a little bit more experience.

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Speaker 6: And this is you know, Cooper BB's rookie season, who

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Speaker 6: what upsets quarterbacks the most is when you get that

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Speaker 5: And that's the that's the the fact that you have

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Speaker 5: an incumbent that is on the same level as a rookie,

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Speaker 5: and who does the job go to. If this is

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Speaker 5: Jimmy Johnson's team, the rookie's gonna get it, because why,

439
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Speaker 5: it's not like he's leaps and bounds better than Cooper BB.

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Speaker 2: Your eyes are showing you and telling you.

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Speaker 5: Like, yeah, he breathed down the stroke because down his neck,

442
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Speaker 5: because look, he's not as good as that guy, or

443
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Speaker 5: at least especially when you've been on rosters and you say, look,

444
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Speaker 5: that guy's better than this guy. How did he not make?

445
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Speaker 5: And then there's some things to show you. He's a

446
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Speaker 5: bigger draft, big money, all those things. When you look

447
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Speaker 5: at these two players, it's like the rookie cut he's

448
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Speaker 5: edging him out is in certain areas, And I think

449
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Speaker 5: that level of nasty really is what got me with

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Speaker 5: Cooper BB. And I think when you have an all

451
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Speaker 5: pro to your left and an all pro to your

452
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Speaker 5: to your right, man, you're in great company. And I

453
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Speaker 5: think he's gonna be protected. But again, I just think

454
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Speaker 5: his mentality is what's gonna make him successful this season.

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Speaker 2: On the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: What a good problem, now, exactly right, Okay, I mean

457
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, what a good problem to

458
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Speaker 3: have it with Mike Sallari, the offensive line coach has

459
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Speaker 3: done out here is pretty tremendous. That you've got an

460
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Speaker 3: undrafted kid in Brock Coffin who they brought in last

461
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Speaker 3: year and you feel comfortable right now that you could

462
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Speaker 3: go with him as a starter, or you got a

463
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Speaker 3: kid that you just drafted this year that you're working

464
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Speaker 3: with him and you're seeing up positives with him that

465
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Speaker 3: you could have him as a start seventeen games season,

466
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Speaker 3: both with the position flex that Mike McCarthy wants. Kudos

467
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Speaker 3: to the Cowboys personnel department for finding the right type

468
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Speaker 3: of talent to come in here and get the job done.

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Speaker 3: I just would defer to somebody that's actually played a

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Speaker 3: little bit. But at the end of the day, Mike McCarthy,

471
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Speaker 3: and you go back to his time in Green Bay,

472
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Speaker 3: is not afraid to play rookies. The possibility of starting

473
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Speaker 3: two rookie offensive linemen against the Cleveland Browns, to me,

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Speaker 3: is just not that appealing because at this point in time,

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Speaker 3: it looks as though you're going to have to have

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Speaker 3: your first round pick. Tyler got can get out there

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Speaker 3: left tackle.

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Speaker 2: You know. Look, you know I have my doubts.

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Speaker 5: My doubts early on just not being able to see

480
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Speaker 5: Tyler guiding, so I didn't know what he had I think,

481
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Speaker 5: come in a way, looking at that all twenty two

482
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Speaker 5: of him against the Raiders and Max Crosby.

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Speaker 2: You see the nasty and you see why.

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Speaker 5: They like him, and you see why they believe that

485
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Speaker 5: he can be a piece for them at left tackle.

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Speaker 5: That is the key position on your offensive line, don't

487
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Speaker 5: get it twisted positions, And we talk as much about

488
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Speaker 5: the center position as having that pressure right into the

489
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Speaker 5: lap of the quarterback. That's his blind spot and if

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Speaker 5: he can't see and you can't yell duck look loud

491
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Speaker 5: in the NFL stadium and you have to protect him.

492
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Speaker 5: But right now, I think, as look, we're gonna go

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Speaker 5: through some growing pains.

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Speaker 2: You know you are right.

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Speaker 5: But one of the things that I love about Guiding

496
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Speaker 5: when I listen to him in interviews is him talk

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Speaker 5: about having technique.

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Speaker 2: He's honed in on that he understands.

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Speaker 5: The things that you got away with in the Big twelve,

500
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Speaker 5: you're not gonna get away with in the NFL. And

501
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Speaker 5: your mechanics are going to have to help you out

502
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Speaker 5: there because these guys are just way too good. Miles

503
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Speaker 5: Garrett will destroy you. He will you know, he will

504
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Speaker 5: make you look stupid if you lean one way to

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Speaker 5: the left or to the right. So that's why his

506
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Speaker 5: mechanics are so important, and I think even coming into

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Speaker 5: this next two weeks, I mean, we are not far

508
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Speaker 5: away from the season starting, and you may be looking

509
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Speaker 5: at too rookie starting, but two really good rookie starts.

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Speaker 6: And when you look at it, everything you said about Bbie,

511
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Speaker 6: the nastiness, the finishing, that's exactly what I see in Guiden.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we all saw that. We all saw the

513
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Speaker 6: tape on this guy. When you look at it that

514
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Speaker 6: Raiders game for Exist, for example, he's tossing guys to

515
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Speaker 6: the ground, and not only that, he's jumping finishing those guys.

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Speaker 2: And as a defender, that is the most degrading thing

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Speaker 2: you could have. You already on the ground, You're like, man,

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Speaker 2: this dude done gap and.

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Speaker 6: Then Boomy hits you, jumps right on the top of

520
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Speaker 6: you and buries you into the ground. And that's one

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Speaker 6: of the things you want as an offensive lineman. It

522
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Speaker 6: kind of reminds me. I'm not saying he's on the

523
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Speaker 6: same level, but a trick Williams. When he goes out

524
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Speaker 6: out there, he's gonna bury you. He's gonna make you

525
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Speaker 6: feel his presence each and every down, and that's what

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Speaker 6: you want from your left tackle, somebody who's not gonna

527
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Speaker 6: take no nonsense. And we saw the clips from from

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Speaker 6: Trum training camp. If he loses in a one on one,

529
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Speaker 6: he's run that right back. Run, I want it again,

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Speaker 6: right back. He's not, you know, sitting there. And from

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Speaker 6: what I've hear, he's a student of the game as well.

532
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Speaker 6: You know he sits there. He doesn't want to just

533
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Speaker 6: rest on his athleticism. Like you said, he needs the technique.

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Speaker 6: He needs to sharpen that up a little bit. But

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Speaker 6: from everything I read about this guy and I see

536
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Speaker 6: it from this guy, he hasn't a chance to be

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Speaker 6: an outstanding left tackle.

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Speaker 5: But also I think once other teams started, because what

539
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Speaker 5: happens is he's a he's a big unknown to a

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Speaker 5: lot of defenses right now, and when he starts to

541
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Speaker 5: put that tape out there that he's that guy that

542
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Speaker 5: if he'll finish his guy in front of him, and

543
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Speaker 5: he's looking to get down the field to not only

544
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Speaker 5: block a guy, pancake a guy, but demoralize the guy.

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Speaker 2: Then you start to get a reputation.

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Speaker 5: And then when Trent Williams, his reputation is almost bigger

547
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Speaker 5: than him. All he has to do is just show

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Speaker 5: up and guy's are moving out here. We ain't gonna

549
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Speaker 5: send him. We're going that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so this came from Zach Martin.

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Speaker 7: Quote.

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Speaker 3: They've done a good job since they've been got since

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Speaker 3: they've gotten here, diving into it head first. They started

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Speaker 3: training camp obviously before they got here, and in a

555
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks they were down here training. They've been

556
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Speaker 3: on top of the playbook since they've been here. Obviously

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Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks they have been thrown into

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Speaker 3: the mix. He's talking about Guidon and BB. So once

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Speaker 3: again another player who does not throw around words. Very

560
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Speaker 3: likely Zach Martin's very good. And he goes on and

561
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Speaker 3: also say you see it on tape, Tyler Goydon Man.

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Speaker 3: The guy moves he still got a long ways ago,

563
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Speaker 3: but from a movement skill, it's pretty impressive. As a rookie,

564
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Speaker 3: coop continues to get better. Big strong guy can anchor

565
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Speaker 3: the middle, which is great. They've done a great job.

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Speaker 3: So when I have a Hall of Famer, yeah, I

567
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Speaker 3: don't like to use that word lightly either, but you

568
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Speaker 3: just go down the resume. Zach Martin has everything that

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame guards have in terms of Honors and

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Speaker 3: everything else. There you got a Hall of Fame guy

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Speaker 3: who understands a position, who, by the way himself, was

572
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Speaker 3: a left tackle and a Bowl Game MVP for Notre

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Speaker 3: Dame who kicked into inside. So has an understanding about

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Speaker 3: what it takes to make moves. And his brother was

575
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Speaker 3: a guard at Notre Dame. Then he moved over to

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Speaker 3: center when he went down to the Houston Texas. He has

577
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Speaker 3: the understanding about what position flexibility and change like, especially

578
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Speaker 3: for a guy like Cooper BB.

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Speaker 2: So he's giving him that. We'll see where it goes.

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Speaker 3: But like I said, my initial thought process is a

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Speaker 3: go with the guy in brock Hoffmann, especially to start

582
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Speaker 3: against the Cleveland Browns. But I will say this, whatever

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Speaker 3: decision the organ isation makes, fans should back them because

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Speaker 3: when it comes to the offensive line, they know what

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Speaker 3: they're doing.

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Speaker 2: They get it right. Oh yeah, I would agree with

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Speaker 2: that one for sure.

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Speaker 3: with our Tyron Smith gone, so two spots there, brand

652
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: new starters.

653
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: Then we got a running back room where.

654
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: Ezekiel Elliott is not who he used to be, didn't

655
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: play with the team last year. He's come back. Yeah,

656
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: ric o'dondell, Nick Davis, duce fun I got el Boogie.

657
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: Interesting room right now, Ezekiel Elliott looks like the starter.

658
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: If the offensive line can handle their business.

659
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: How many one hundred yard games do you think Ezekiel

660
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: Elli could give this team.

661
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be honest with you, diad New, I don't

662
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 6: see any any hundred yard games from Ezekiel Elliott this season.

663
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 6: You know, I think he'll be around maybe fifty sixty

664
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 6: on average, and that to me would be a good,

665
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 6: you know, a good showing because I think that'll add

666
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 6: up to about almost one thousand yards. But I see

667
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 6: him around there because I believe they're gonna do more

668
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 6: of a running back by committee deal, at which I

669
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 6: am not a fan of, but I think that's what

670
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 6: the way they're gonna do it. You know, they're gonna

671
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 6: have Zeke be that short yardage maybe grind, grinding, pound

672
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 6: down on the defense and then let you know, WECo

673
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 6: come in there, kind of like what they did with

674
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 6: Pollard la last year. I can see that happening. But

675
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 6: when you talk about one hundred yard games. I don't

676
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 6: see Zeke getting more than you know, maybe twelve touches

677
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 6: a game running the football. I can see that happening.

678
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 6: And you know, I don't believe that he's as much

679
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 6: of a threat in the passing game as he once was.

680
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 6: So that's why I think they're gonna do this committee deal.

681
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 6: And I just don't see him getting enough touches to

682
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 6: go ahead and get that one hundred yard mark this season.

683
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 6: You know, I could be completely wrong, but from what

684
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 6: I've seen in training camp, and I just I just

685
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 6: don't see it. I don't see it.

686
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna have to put some respect on Zike name, Like,

687
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 5: did he have one last year with the Patriots? Well,

688
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 5: he had six hundred and forty two yards last year,

689
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 5: So I mean at six hundred and forty two, I

690
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: believe if you're able to get maybe a little bit

691
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 5: more production in that, especially if you're going with running

692
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 5: back by committee is what I heard, you know, running

693
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 5: back by committee, but let's say hundred yard game because

694
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 5: of his ability to catch the ball out of the

695
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 5: backfield as well.

696
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: If his cumulative.

697
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 5: Find a way, I'm a find a way, I'm find

698
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 5: hold all right, I'm a find a way to get

699
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 5: it all together. I mean, I feel like, look there

700
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 5: more there's more than one thing that you get from

701
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 5: Ezekiel Ellie. You pointed it out the other day just

702
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 5: saying that, Look his ability also, you know, to pick

703
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 5: up the blitz g' being somebody strong that you can

704
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 5: rely on. But even that, I think one of the

705
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 5: things that hasn't gone away from his game is his hands,

706
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 5: his ability to catch out of the backfield, and I

707
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 5: think he could be an asset to you in that

708
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 5: way as well. Look, it's it's gonna be tough sledding.

709
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 5: It's gonna be tough sledding because we don't know how

710
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 5: the offensive line is going to come together. We know

711
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 5: right now on our head we're looking at Zeke and

712
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 5: we're saying short yardage specialists. You know, basically he's a

713
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 5: guy that we know we come into a third and shorter,

714
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 5: we're in red zone.

715
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: Any of that.

716
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 5: We can give the ball to Zeke three or four

717
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 5: times and we know where he could what he can

718
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 5: do for us. I think you still in the same

719
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 5: mood a mode that Jerry is in with the defense

720
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 5: of line. You're checking the wire you're making you're checking

721
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 5: everything to make sure that you don't make a mistake.

722
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 5: If there's a third guy that you can bring in

723
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 5: that could be an asset on special teams, but also

724
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 5: be an asset in that running back room, you take

725
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 5: advantage of it. Or if there is a bona fide

726
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 5: number two running back out there, look you take a

727
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 5: flyer at them. You make sure that you get a

728
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 5: guy in here that at least that one to two

729
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 5: punts can be bonafide, and that could back defenses up

730
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 5: because right now, if they don't respect the running game

731
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 5: at all, that's gonna that's gonna add another degree of difficulty,

732
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 5: especially if you don't have CD Lamb too to go

733
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 5: with it.

734
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 2: Your you're no one hundred yard games physique this year?

735
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: And you got how many about rushing though?

736
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 5: Right?

737
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 2: One hundred hundred yard game rushing? How many you say?

738
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 5: No?

739
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: How many I'm gonna go too. Two, I'm gonna go too. Two,

740
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: I'll go too, game too. I'm with Barry Church. None.

741
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: And here's here's also a main he said why one

742
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: hundred yard games are also about opportunity. Last year, Ezekiel Ela

743
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 3: didn't have one game where he had twenty plus carries. Well, no,

744
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: he did one. It was one Pittsburgh fits Pittsman. New

745
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: England had won twenty two twenty two carries for sixty

746
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: eight yards and they won the game way yeah, twenty

747
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: one and eighteen and one at Pittsburgh. Before that, in

748
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three he had one game over with twenty

749
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: carries more once and then in twenty twenty two he

750
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: had one game where he had over twenty cakes.

751
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: I said to NEWI.

752
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 5: Look look man gone now, I said to Neuie, that's

753
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 5: my hopium right, yes, said that that's it too.

754
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: The last I did, say five two.

755
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 3: The last time he rushed for one hundred yards twenty

756
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: twenty one, God damn.

757
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 2: The last time he went over one hundred dollar Yeah,

758
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: oh yea.

759
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 3: He had In twenty twenty one he had just two,

760
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: two games of one hundred yards and in those games

761
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: he had twenty one for one ten and then he

762
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: had uh.

763
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: One hundred and forty three yards on I want to say.

764
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: Come on, Zeke, give me two games. And I was

765
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 5: right before he got paid it, right, give me two.

766
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 5: So give me too, z what we're gonna put on it.

767
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 5: So that's a gotcha question too. He set me up

768
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 5: for that, He set me her heart.

769
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got hard. He already knew he didn't have

770
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: one hundred yards? Is twenty one? That's all right?

771
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 5: I like.

772
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 2: Two man two of the next how many? How about

773
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: you got your hair.

774
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 5: Too in the maybe I don't want to hear man.

775
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 5: He's gonna have eight plus tubs. Yeah, game eight plus tubs.

776
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 6: You give him eight touchdown game I game eight tubs though,

777
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 6: He's gonna get some short yard of situations.

778
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had eight plus tubs though. Now you think

779
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 5: they gonna run him off and run live.

780
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: Key, live key, It's gonna be they come out run

781
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: both guys in the game.

782
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: Because I anticipate to see the fullback in the short

783
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: yard situations that we'll see. There will be opportunities. You

784
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: saw the Mojoe moment. I texted you, I texted you

785
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 3: to Momjoe.

786
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: Moment coming off the side. So so.

787
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: Hunter Limke will be a part of this when you're

788
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: doing your running back room like that. Clearly it's it's

789
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: going to be different guys. Mainly it will be Ezekiel

790
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: Elliott because that's the one you trust and he's been

791
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: in a Mike McCarthy offense, and Mike has knowledge of him.

792
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: But overall, they're going to have to get some production

793
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: for some other people. And you know, at some point time,

794
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: I'm wonted by Duce Vallin that's gonna be.

795
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 6: Now, that's that's the one that's in the roster spot

796
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 6: right there, that's going to be because have we seen

797
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 6: Duce on teams at all.

798
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he's returned a little bit here and there,

799
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: but you got.

800
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 6: You gonna have turp and turp and gonna have that

801
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 6: handled during the regular season.

802
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 5: Can he run down, don't kick off and make a tackle?

803
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 5: Punt punp protection hadn't seen him do it. You hadn't

804
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 5: seen him in any preseason action doing that, and you know,

805
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: hadn't had any word about him coming out of Oxnard

806
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 5: doing that either. So I mean, it's tough. It'll be tough.

807
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 5: It's tough. And that's when you start to start talking

808
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 5: about the fifty three. How many actual running backs are

809
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 5: going to be on this roster? I mean we talked

810
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 5: about that last show, like how many you know, are

811
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 5: gonna because somebody's not somebody good isn't gonna make it.

812
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: And but we they've done that before, so we know,

813
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 3: we know where you know, Malak Davis is a type

814
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: of player you cut because you're going to feel like,

815
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: who can we get back? And so if he's been

816
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 3: okay for you, how many people out there are going

817
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: to snatch him up and say, oh yeah, we want

818
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: this guy. So to me, when it comes down to

819
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 3: final cuts, I anticipate seeing a linebacker or defensive lineman

820
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: or office I see them taking one extra and say, hey,

821
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: well gamble on the running back because the other thing too.

822
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: And you guys know this and fans always think about it.

823
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: You have to go. You know, you got to get

824
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: somebody's gonna come and learn your system. If it's not

825
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: the system, you know, that makes it even challenging for

826
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: certain guys, especially the running back spot, because your guy's

827
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: got to be able to do pass pro.

828
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 5: What's what's your confidence level right now? With Rico Dabble

829
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 5: as that that you know pace back.

830
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 6: Basically, I think he could be a solid, solid number two.

831
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 6: I think as a season progresses, he can even jump

832
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 6: into that number one spot if he can continue to

833
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 6: grow as a player in pass protection. I think he

834
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 6: shows a little bit more burst and juice than Ezekiel Elliott,

835
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 6: and if they can trust him over time, I think

836
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 6: he can, you know, start to get more and more

837
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 6: carries as the game goes on, because I feel like

838
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 6: he still does have that explosive to explosiveness to his game.

839
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 6: But when you talk about a guy like Royce, like

840
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 6: Royce Freeman, I just think he's too similar to Zeke,

841
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 6: Like you got two in between the tackles downhill guys,

842
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 6: I don't see Royce being able to make it.

843
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: And that's another kind of guy you can cut.

844
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, we're gonna cut him because we feel like

845
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: we can get him back versus letting letting a player

846
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: go here. Before we get out of here, you brought

847
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: up another question here. Could Jalen Hobert be the number

848
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: two receiver Church? You brought that up here.

849
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he can make that jump. I mean,

850
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 6: I know, you know rookie year, you know he was

851
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 6: kind of a red shirt year. Second year, he has

852
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 6: eighteen grabs. But this year you look at it and

853
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 6: it's and I feel like each year he's gotten better

854
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 6: and better, and his rapport, his connection with Dak has

855
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 6: gotten better and better. And when you look at it

856
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 6: you got an agent Cooks out there who's not really

857
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 6: taking the top off of defenses like he once did

858
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 6: back in the day.

859
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: So to me, as a season.

860
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 6: Progresses, I can see Tobert kind of sliding into that

861
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 6: number two wide receiver spot because he's gonna.

862
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: Get a lot of one on ones.

863
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 6: I mean, you got Fer, you got ceedee Lamble, He's

864
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 6: gonna get a lot of one on ones. And if

865
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 6: he can continue to get better as the year goes

866
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 6: on and win those one on one battles, I can

867
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 6: see him sliding into that that number two option for

868
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Speaker 6: this passing attack.

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Speaker 5: I've taken all of my expectation off of Jaalen Tober,

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Speaker 5: and I think anything that he does because I don't

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Speaker 5: have any expectation, is good for me.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: I don't say asking him to take the step to

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Speaker 5: be a number two wide receiver in the NFL right now,

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Speaker 5: I think it's a stretch because we hadn't even seen

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Speaker 5: that spark yet in a game where he's like, oh man,

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Speaker 5: that's going off right now, and that's what that's what

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Speaker 5: you want, you know, you want an eye you to

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Speaker 5: debo where you're like, oh man, deebo, that's an embarrassment

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Speaker 5: of riches. When you have a guy like this that

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Speaker 5: can take over in your main star that you're thinking, deebo.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't even have to be a part of the

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Speaker 5: passing game or running game, and so we just haven't

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Speaker 5: seen it.

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Speaker 2: I think the only thing that we have close to.

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Speaker 5: That is ferg Uh, you know, and we need Yeah, hey,

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Speaker 5: pro bowl Ferg you know that's what we need.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he keeps saying, keep.

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Speaker 5: Saying it because he's right there, he knocking on the

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Speaker 5: cuspcuse mister Kittle. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I think I

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Speaker 5: think that's where you know your offense can go. Who

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Speaker 5: can be that three and four? And I think Tobert

893
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Speaker 5: right now is your four? You know Brandon Cooks obviously, man,

894
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Speaker 5: his speed is something that's still formidable, and he's still

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Speaker 5: a guy. I think in the second year of this

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Speaker 5: offense that we'll see him take bigger strides Ferg ferg

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Speaker 5: for Kittle Kelsey, Yeah, Kittle Kelsey, Yeah, I believe that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's a lot of people doubt him. You

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Speaker 5: got to go back and look at the numbers. We

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Speaker 5: do it with everybody else, we just don't do it

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Speaker 5: with Ferguson.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fur delicious. Man. You love to know that, man,

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Speaker 2: I love to know that. That's eighty seven in the league. Ye,

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Speaker 2: Mike's had Pro Bowl fullbacks before John Coole.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a blueprint. There's a blueprint. That's all

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Speaker 3: I'm going by is what I see, guys, So you

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Speaker 3: can laugh at it. But McCarthy, I mean, it's just

908
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: like Mark McCarthy. How many times did I beat up

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Speaker 3: on your boy Kelling and say Mike was the guy?

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Speaker 2: Was I right last year?

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Speaker 6: Or now?

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Speaker 2: All I gotta say is Harold minor, Harold minor baby

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Speaker 2: Jordan's It's a big difference. It's a big difference. I

914
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Speaker 2: was right. I was right about Mike calling players versus

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Speaker 2: your boy Kellen. All your boy Kellen Diaders go out

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Speaker 2: there and get fired.

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Speaker 3: Ain't going to Philadelphia, get talking about.

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Speaker 2: Somebody got problems. Problems over there that we count.

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Speaker 5: The can the interceptions that Jaylor hurt is it's another

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Speaker 5: day head thrown an interception in camp that ain't good?

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Speaker 2: Ain't good? Keore doing his thing? Yeah, Herbert fell off.

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Speaker 2: Your boy fell off. I said, Ellen was bad. And

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Speaker 2: Kellen do your job over there.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 3: You know what, Kendrick Lamar I have a song about him,

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Speaker 3: say I told you to be careful with you.

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Speaker 2: That was bad. He was sad. Your boy was bad. Fire,

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Speaker 2: he was bad in l A. Yeah he was bad.

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Speaker 2: He was, but he was bad like it was bad.

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Speaker 3: Harrison, Thank you very much. By Church, Philly Jazz. Thank you, Josh,

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Speaker 3: Chris Beam. Everybody is a part of this Players Lunch podcast.

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Speaker 3: We will talk to you Friday today, Central Time, right

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