WEBVTT - Cambrian Monster Mash

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Dr Jessup. Anybody here? Well, hello, good sir. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad to see you have arrived. I apologize I can't

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<v Speaker 1>be there to greet you in person, but please know

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<v Speaker 1>that I have most appreciative of your attendance. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>hard to find good volunteers these days. It's it's just

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<v Speaker 1>just every undergraduate with even a bit of backbone and

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<v Speaker 1>simply vanished in the past six months. Uh huh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So am I in the right place? Ah? Well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps instead you should ask whether you were in the

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<v Speaker 1>right time? Uh huh. Well, the flyer said you were

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<v Speaker 1>doing six for test subjects in something called Middle Cambrian exposure.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what that is, but if you're paying cash,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still on board. Excellent. Now tell me do you

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<v Speaker 1>have any experience with time displacement? I don't think so,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, not, of course not. You can tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you swim? You know I can, but it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things I wouldn't say I'm a great swimmer. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's perfect. Do you see the throbbing lightness of the

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<v Speaker 1>world text in the center of the room there, Well, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do, except go to it right, Yes, yes, closer,

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<v Speaker 1>closer doesn't feel right? What's that feeling? What's the matter,

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<v Speaker 1>my little vertebrate? Haven't you ever wanted to feel? Five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miran years loved? What is that? Is? That? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that an ocean? Oh? My god, It's like the whole

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<v Speaker 1>planet's an ocean. It's full of monsters. Welcome to Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to blow your Mind from housework dot com. Hey, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick and Robert. That was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>a reference to some kind of journey we may be

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<v Speaker 1>taking to the Cambrian period. That's right. Yeah, we had

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<v Speaker 1>a little cameo by the late great Anton Jess late

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<v Speaker 1>did he die? I don't know. I mean there are

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<v Speaker 1>there are rumors of his death, but who knows for sure?

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<v Speaker 1>They always exaggerated. Is well? Anyway, today I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>little story I want to tell the lead us into

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<v Speaker 1>our topic. Now. Obviously it is October. It's our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>time of year to talk about monsters. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>monsters anyway, but this is the time where we really

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<v Speaker 1>double down. Its clear mandate for monsters, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>to take a monster science adventure this past month. So

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<v Speaker 1>this this past month, early on one Sunday morning, my

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<v Speaker 1>wife Rachel and I were in Canada and we woke

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<v Speaker 1>up before dawn on this Sunday morning in the town

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<v Speaker 1>of Golden British Columbia. It's in western Canada, the Canadian Rockies,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had some coffee and bagels, and we filled

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<v Speaker 1>up our backpacks with a bunch of layers of warm clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>bottles of water, all that hiking stuff, and we drove

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<v Speaker 1>along the steep mountain sides to this tiny town called

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<v Speaker 1>Field in British Columbia. And there we parked beside a

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<v Speaker 1>gas station and we waited to meet our guide and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of this tour group. So the guide was

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<v Speaker 1>a paleontologist named David, and the hiking group was mostly

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<v Speaker 1>French speaking families, some really lovely people and some very

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent children with great questions like why do animals die? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>And so we hiked through the town of Field and

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<v Speaker 1>along this uphill path through the forest up the side

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<v Speaker 1>of Mount Stephen. And as we went on throughout the day,

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<v Speaker 1>the trail got steeper and steeper, and we could see

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<v Speaker 1>through the trees the town. We came from was becoming

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<v Speaker 1>this tiny miniature model in the distance. And then right

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<v Speaker 1>around midday we came out of the tree line and

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<v Speaker 1>we walked up on this bare plane of flat rocks

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<v Speaker 1>and they were pieces of the underlying shale formation that

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<v Speaker 1>had chipped and broken off, and they had gathered in

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<v Speaker 1>this relatively flat part of the mountain side. And on

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<v Speaker 1>this plane of rocks, you walk around and you pick

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<v Speaker 1>up these mineral fragments and they're full of fossils. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just fossils everywhere. Almost every other rock you find has

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<v Speaker 1>the shape of an animal from millions of years ago

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<v Speaker 1>printed into it. You're literally walking on thousands and thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of fossils. So you're in this this mountainous environment and David,

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<v Speaker 1>who by the way, i'm picturing as the Android from

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<v Speaker 1>Prometheus and Alien Covenant, is guiding you and showing you

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<v Speaker 1>these these prehistoric remnants in the rock. David was not

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Fastbender, but David was excellent. He was a really

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<v Speaker 1>really good guide. And this place we came to where

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<v Speaker 1>we were walking on fossils, this was the Mount Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>Trio bite beds. It is a graveyard of organisms from

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<v Speaker 1>the Cambrian period about five hundred million years ago. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Mount Stephen is in an area that's home to the

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<v Speaker 1>Urgess Shale geological formation, which is one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>important sites of Cambrian Period fossils in the world. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you ever get a chance to do one of

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<v Speaker 1>these hikes, I highly highly recommended. I think it literally

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<v Speaker 1>might be the coolest thing I've ever done. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to book them through this organization called the Burgess Shale

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<v Speaker 1>Geoscience Foundation, and they pair you with a guide. Our guide, David,

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<v Speaker 1>the paleontologist, was an excellent science communicator. He was really

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<v Speaker 1>good with the kids on the group, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>a great hiking guide. So if you get a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to go with David, big thumbs up to him. Be

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<v Speaker 1>warned if you do try to do this, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>tough hike. It's like eight kilometers round trip horizontally with

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<v Speaker 1>a seven hundred and ninety five meter elevation gain, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like two thousand, six hundred feet and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>that's starting at like twelve hundred or th hundred meters

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<v Speaker 1>of elevation at the at the base of the mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So the air is thin and it's worth doing

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<v Speaker 1>some other hikes at higher elevation to get yourself accustomed

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<v Speaker 1>to the lack of oxygen. But I also don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to scare you too much. Obviously I will. I am

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<v Speaker 1>no kind of athlete or experienced altitude hiker or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and I survived so beer advising listeners to

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<v Speaker 1>wear their best flip flops this particular, just be prepared,

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<v Speaker 1>have some layers, have some water, do a little practice.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can make the trip, it is absolutely worth

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<v Speaker 1>it to see these fossils firsthand. You can pick them up,

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<v Speaker 1>you can feel the ribs of these Cambrian organisms. You

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<v Speaker 1>can you can feel the contours of their bodies as

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<v Speaker 1>they printed on this ancient shale. But also it's really

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<v Speaker 1>cool to be there, just because the area around field,

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<v Speaker 1>including Mount Stephen, trial By Beds and the Burgess Shale

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<v Speaker 1>quarry quarries, are just arguably the most important Cambrian fossil

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<v Speaker 1>sites in the world. They are a geological window into

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<v Speaker 1>a time stranger, I would argue than any alien planet

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<v Speaker 1>in any movie, any book, any video game, any Star

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<v Speaker 1>Trek episode. I think the real alien monsters h And

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<v Speaker 1>of course, as you if you know the show, you

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<v Speaker 1>know use the term monster affectionately. It's not a pejorative.

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<v Speaker 1>The real alien monsters are not out there on some

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<v Speaker 1>exo planet. They were right here five million years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and in this one amazing place you can sort of

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<v Speaker 1>crunch through their frozen graveyard and it's awesome. Now, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>do you find yourself falling into the same admittedly dumb

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<v Speaker 1>trap that I do when I when I think about

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<v Speaker 1>about the nationalities that are sort of overlaid regarding a

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<v Speaker 1>fossil uh findes like these are Canadian Cambrian monsters and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. Like, yeah, because I was recently reading

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<v Speaker 1>to my son about Terra saurs and was reading about

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<v Speaker 1>the about about Bavarian fossils of Terra saurs, and is

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<v Speaker 1>as silly as it is, I couldn't help but think

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<v Speaker 1>of of Bavarian Terra stars thinking about the Varian rhistoric creature,

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<v Speaker 1>like wearing later hosen the big big stein of beer,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so unfair. You know, I've done the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing thinking of Mongolian fossil finds. In our previous episode

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about various raptors I believe remember it was

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<v Speaker 1>the velociraptor or Dononicus. But I could not help but

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<v Speaker 1>then think about them in terms of like human history

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<v Speaker 1>regarding that area and part of his pack. Uh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know exactly what you're talking about. And that does

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<v Speaker 1>highlight the need to sort of explain how the Cambrian

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<v Speaker 1>world was so different than our world, not just that

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<v Speaker 1>it had different animals in it, but that planet Earth

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<v Speaker 1>was different then. So when I say it was an

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<v Speaker 1>alien planet, I mean that quite literally. It's not just

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<v Speaker 1>that it had different fauna, it was a It was

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<v Speaker 1>a totally different place to live. And so before we

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<v Speaker 1>get into exploring these monsters of the Cambrian Period, these

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful and bizarre creatures that you couldn't even dream up

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<v Speaker 1>if you tried, I think we should take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at the Cambrian Period itself and explain what it was

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<v Speaker 1>like to be Terra five hundred million years ago. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Cambrian Period lasted from about five hundred forty to

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<v Speaker 1>about four hundred and eighty five million years ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you were dropped from today straight into the Cambrian period,

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<v Speaker 1>you would not recognize planet Earth. The Earth, for one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>revolved faster than it does now, So days were only

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty one hours long, and there were about four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty of them in a year. The air

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<v Speaker 1>would be hot, so the average global surface temperature would

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<v Speaker 1>have been about ten degrees celsius hotter than today. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a good bit hotter. The atmosphere, while it did have

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<v Speaker 1>significant free oxygen, at this point, was not quite what

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<v Speaker 1>it is today. It would have felt a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>thick with carbon dioxide in your lungs. If you happen

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<v Speaker 1>to see dry land, it would probably look more like

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<v Speaker 1>the surface of Mars than Earth today. Because land dwelling

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<v Speaker 1>plants didn't exist yet. It's kind of hard to imagine

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<v Speaker 1>Earth that way. And without plant roots to hold the

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<v Speaker 1>soil in place, lands surfaces eroded very easily in the

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<v Speaker 1>wind and the churning water. So you know, the continents

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<v Speaker 1>are constantly just kind of burning away into the oceans

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<v Speaker 1>and being reformed. So to call back to a previous

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<v Speaker 1>episode we did, was this was definitely a world before fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because what would it what would it burn? Right? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I can't be sure it was totally without fire,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, yeah, obviously not fire on the scale

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<v Speaker 1>we see of wildfires in forests today. Because there was

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<v Speaker 1>oxygen in the atmosphere at this point, but yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>what would burn? What would the fuel be? All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we have this alien world with just a barren

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<v Speaker 1>land when visible, and then we have this this ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>this strange ocean, and the Cambrians Earth that that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a story about land at all. That is a story

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<v Speaker 1>about ocean. It was the ocean planet at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>You could probably make the argument it's the ocean planet

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<v Speaker 1>right now, but it definitely was then. According to Cambrian

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean World Ancient Sea Life of North America by John

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<v Speaker 1>Foster uh the love all of the seas rose steadily

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<v Speaker 1>in this saw tooth rise and fall pattern throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>Cambrian period. So at the beginning of the period sea

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<v Speaker 1>level was actually a little bit lower than it is today,

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<v Speaker 1>But by the end of the Late Cambrian sea level

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<v Speaker 1>was about a hundred and sixty meters or five and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty feet higher than it is today. So in today's terms,

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<v Speaker 1>New York underwater, Rome underwater, Paris underwater, Baghdad underwater, even

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<v Speaker 1>parts of Moscow underwater, and the high sea level in

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<v Speaker 1>the Cambrian led to flooding of about forty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the area of Earth's continental masses. Compared that to today,

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<v Speaker 1>we're only about five percent of that continental area is

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<v Speaker 1>covered in water, so most of our planets dry land

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<v Speaker 1>mass was gathered together closer to the south pole, and

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<v Speaker 1>the continent that became North America was then called Laurentia,

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<v Speaker 1>not then called by people who have been people today

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<v Speaker 1>called that continent than Laurentia, and you sort of have

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine North America turned sideways, mostly flooded, straddling the equator.

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<v Speaker 1>Also adding to the alien quality in the Cambrian astronomy

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<v Speaker 1>would have been a little bit different. So the Moon

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<v Speaker 1>was more than twenty kilometers closer to Earth than meaning

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<v Speaker 1>that its gravity was stronger, meaning the high and low

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<v Speaker 1>tides on Earth were higher and lower. Okay, you know

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<v Speaker 1>my son was just talking to him to me the

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<v Speaker 1>other day about the size of the moon and prehistoric times.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, like he knew that the moon was bigger

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<v Speaker 1>in prehistoric times. Yeah, and uh, and knows that it

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<v Speaker 1>will be it will be smaller in future times. Did

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<v Speaker 1>he into it that or did he find that out somewhere?

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<v Speaker 1>He consumes a lot of dinosaur train and he really

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<v Speaker 1>likes this podcast, Wow in the World. That's a great

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<v Speaker 1>science podcast for for kids. So and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked to him a lot about science. Man, I

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<v Speaker 1>wish I was that cool when I was, I probably

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<v Speaker 1>just would have told you about like which ninja turtle

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<v Speaker 1>was bigger in prehistoric times. Yeah, so far ninja turtles

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<v Speaker 1>will probably come in and wash it all the way.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, he's really really into the thing, like

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<v Speaker 1>an alien ocean driving away the continents. Okay, So if

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<v Speaker 1>we looked under that ancient ocean, that's where the real

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<v Speaker 1>craziness comes in, because we would find this vast realm

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<v Speaker 1>of gorgeous, terrifying, surreal monsters that would look completely unlike

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of Earth life we're familiar with today. Because

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<v Speaker 1>the Cambrian period is the geological layer where we see

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of one of the most fascinating and mysterious events

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of life on Earth, known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Cambrian Explosion. So explosion. What exploded? Was this like a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of volcanoes or something? No, the Cambrian explosion is

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<v Speaker 1>a story about biodiversity. So, Robert, how old is the Earth? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so at four and a half billion years old. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the general astronomical idea. So four and a half

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<v Speaker 1>billion years old. We've had this planet roughly, and we

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<v Speaker 1>know there's been single celled life on the planet for

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<v Speaker 1>at least maybe three and a half billion years or so,

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<v Speaker 1>based on fossil traces left behind by these organisms. And

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<v Speaker 1>new findings keep pushing the debatable frontier of earliest life

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<v Speaker 1>farther and farther back into the darkness of Earth time.

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<v Speaker 1>One example, I just came across So the other day,

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<v Speaker 1>just earlier this year, in March seventeen, there was an

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<v Speaker 1>article published in Nature arguing that apparent microbe fossils in

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<v Speaker 1>the New Vue Agatuck Belt in Quebec are about three

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<v Speaker 1>point eight billion and possibly four point three billion years old,

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in that range, and these single celled life forms

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<v Speaker 1>would have been surviving around hydrothermal vents and had this

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<v Speaker 1>biochemistry based on eating and excreting iron. That's that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a comic book film, right, yeah, the iron eater. And

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<v Speaker 1>the crazy thing is that if these findings are correct,

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<v Speaker 1>life on Earth would have began within just a few

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million years of the planet first accreting together in space.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of hard to believe, but whether life on

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<v Speaker 1>Earth began like four point two billion years go or

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<v Speaker 1>more recently. We know that for a long long time,

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<v Speaker 1>life on Earth wasn't becoming much more complex, right. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no serious multicellular life, So no animals, no fish

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<v Speaker 1>and reptiles, no birds, no plants, no mushrooms, just microbial

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<v Speaker 1>organisms like bacteria and archaea floating around in the oceans,

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<v Speaker 1>forming mats and films and occasionally occasionally building these giant

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<v Speaker 1>mineral brains in the surf called strummtallites. So this would

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<v Speaker 1>be if this were a science fiction film, this would

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<v Speaker 1>be the least cinematic alien life form encounter unless it

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<v Speaker 1>made people like, you know, horribly sick obviously, or possessed them.

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<v Speaker 1>Biofilm planet, yeah, yeah, the planet of slime. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was would be the episode of of Star Trek that

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<v Speaker 1>that does not does not make it to the series. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's you know, that would have been the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Earth for most of Earth's history, not having any

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<v Speaker 1>kind of interesting animals or anything like that. Not to

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<v Speaker 1>say that microbes aren't interesting in themselves, but maybe less

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to look at. It would have been slime planet. Yeah. Generally,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the stuff that occupies one, maybe two pages

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<v Speaker 1>of a of a large prehistoric life book before you

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<v Speaker 1>get onto the more exciting things, the things that children

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine fighting each other. But it's most of the

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<v Speaker 1>life that's ever happened. And then billions of years later,

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of the Cambrian Period, something happens very suddenly.

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<v Speaker 1>Loads of insane animals show up. And when I say suddenly,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to qualify that that's suddenly from a geological

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, which in reality means it took millions

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<v Speaker 1>of years about five hundred and forty million years ago

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<v Speaker 1>to about five hundred million years ago. But that's still

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<v Speaker 1>pretty suddenly compared to the age of the Earth. And

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<v Speaker 1>this geologically rapid spike in animal diversity delivers creatures with

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<v Speaker 1>bilateral symmetry, with large bodies, with eyes, with legs, with shells,

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<v Speaker 1>with segmented body parts. You've got all of these crazy

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<v Speaker 1>different types of creatures suddenly showing up, and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>where did they all come from? Yeah, it's like all

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<v Speaker 1>these prototypes are rolled out at once. It's like the

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<v Speaker 1>segment in is it is a RoboCop one or two

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<v Speaker 1>where we get all the crazy prototypes that, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a RoboCop two. Yes, yeah, it's one of our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>points of comparison on the show for biology. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you have suddenly all these different, you know, seemingly crazy

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<v Speaker 1>examples of life, and many of many of which don't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to to fall in easily into that category of well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a precursor to something we have later on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a precursor to something we have today now. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>for some people with negative attitudes towards evolutionary science, this

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<v Speaker 1>provides some kind of rhetorical ammunition, right indeed, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the explosion is often exploited by evolution of niers, even Darwin,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to note thought that the explosion was at

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<v Speaker 1>odds with the normal evolutionary process, which in a funny

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<v Speaker 1>way could be true, but not in the way an

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<v Speaker 1>evolution denier would mean. A couple of thoughts. Evolution is

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<v Speaker 1>we're familiar with it today, tends to take place within

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<v Speaker 1>ecosystems in which every niche is already filled. So basically,

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<v Speaker 1>every way there is for a creature to make a living,

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<v Speaker 1>there's already something trying to do that. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to compete, you've got to outcompete these other organisms.

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<v Speaker 1>The global ocean of the Cambrian on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>represented a world in which it seems like there was

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<v Speaker 1>still tremendous ecological opportunity to occupy, Like there was territory

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<v Speaker 1>in the ecology that didn't have any existing competition. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was a time in which an animal could start

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<v Speaker 1>doing something to eat or to otherwise survive, and no

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<v Speaker 1>other species was already doing that thing. There was just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like free land to grab. Yeah, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>land grab call the frontier, except without other organisms already

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<v Speaker 1>occupying it. So that there could be one explanation for

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<v Speaker 1>why evolution seems to be working differently at this one

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<v Speaker 1>period in history than it has since. But also the

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<v Speaker 1>Young Earth creationist who exploits ongoing abates in biology to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of resort to the supernatural. They're employing a fallacy

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<v Speaker 1>in rhetoric known as the argument from ignorance fallacy, which

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<v Speaker 1>means like, I don't know what caused something, therefore the

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<v Speaker 1>cause is x uh. Example, you don't know who committed

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<v Speaker 1>the Jack the Ripper murders, therefore it was interdimensional sasquatches. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the version employed here, of course, says, you can't all

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<v Speaker 1>agree we don't know on what caused the sudden or

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<v Speaker 1>geologically sudden biodiversity of the Cambrian explosion. Therefore, the cause

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<v Speaker 1>is supernatural. Now, this line of thinking obviously doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>you anywhere once you examine it, but the disagreement and

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<v Speaker 1>debate over the cause is a fascinating, outstanding question, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's something I think we want to entertain a few

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<v Speaker 1>answers to today. Now, some of the hypotheses are primarily

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<v Speaker 1>environmental and chemical. Right, so some scientists have proposed that

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<v Speaker 1>the cause of the camera and explosion could be a

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<v Speaker 1>rise in the content of oxygen in the atmosphere, which

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<v Speaker 1>leads to an increase in the level of dissolved oxygen

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<v Speaker 1>and the oceans. Now, of course, remember that Earth's original

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere did not have free oxygen, right, That was added

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<v Speaker 1>to the atmosphere gradually as a waste product of photosynthesis.

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<v Speaker 1>You have all these microbes out there and they're eating

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<v Speaker 1>the sunlight and then their geoengineering the atmosphere with their

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<v Speaker 1>waste products, which included oxygen. The gradual natural terraforming of

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<v Speaker 1>our world. Yeah, the microbial terraforming of Earth, which absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>did happen in the past, and that's where we get

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<v Speaker 1>our oxygen. Now, when you think about it. Large, fast

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<v Speaker 1>moving animals need lots of oxygen to feed their energy

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<v Speaker 1>hungry tissues. Like think of the way that when you

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<v Speaker 1>move your muscles a lot, your body starts greedily gulping

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<v Speaker 1>down more and more air. In the same way, if

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<v Speaker 1>you think about these organisms in the past, suddenly you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to have organisms with large bodies. They would have

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<v Speaker 1>needed access to oxygen. So maybe when that oxygen became available,

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly you could build these big, fast moving bodies and

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<v Speaker 1>you get all this animal biodiversity. So previously the the

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<v Speaker 1>oxygen economy would not support this kind of growth, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But the idea is then it would. So did a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden increase in oxygen drive the explosion? Well, some recent

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<v Speaker 1>studies have cast doubt on this hypothesis, including one published

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<v Speaker 1>in Nature by Spurling at all uh and it basically

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<v Speaker 1>did not find evidence of a significant increase of oxygen

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<v Speaker 1>in ocean water at the beginning of the Cambrian So

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<v Speaker 1>evidence shows that if there was an increase in oxygen

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<v Speaker 1>at the Cambrian transition, it was kind of a small one.

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<v Speaker 1>Al Right, Well, what else do we have? Well, other

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<v Speaker 1>hypotheses are more biological and ecological, like what if there

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<v Speaker 1>was one type of biological innovation, some new way for

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<v Speaker 1>animals to make a living or new thing. Animals could

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<v Speaker 1>do that rapidly accelerated competition with an ecosystems, which would

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<v Speaker 1>speed up natural selection and cause new species to form

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<v Speaker 1>much more rapidly. How about the example of site. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a big yeah. So previous animals they might

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<v Speaker 1>have had some kind of photosensitive spots or receptors that

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<v Speaker 1>would have allowed them to, for example, move towards the sunlight.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Cambrian is the first period in history where

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<v Speaker 1>we have evidence of complex site organs, you know, eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the age of organisms with compound eyes. So imagine

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<v Speaker 1>how much adaptive pressure would be put on you if

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<v Speaker 1>you lived in a world where all creatures were basically

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<v Speaker 1>blind and then suddenly some of your competitors could see. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is a crazy thing to try to imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, just just think of sight coming online in

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<v Speaker 1>a world and all the additional stuff that this entail.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly pigmentation begins to matter. I mean, it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>even apply. You're one is tempted to apply this to

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<v Speaker 1>human arms race um, which is which is often an

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<v Speaker 1>an apt comparison. But I mean, what can we even

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<v Speaker 1>look to in human technology and human weapons systems. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just thinking maybe you could apply it. You can

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<v Speaker 1>compare it to flight and say that, well, once, once

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<v Speaker 1>human technology allowed us to take to the air, that

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<v Speaker 1>created an entire new theater of war, and they also

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<v Speaker 1>changed the existing theaters of war. And I think you

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<v Speaker 1>could make that comparison pretty well, like flight changed the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of warfare forever, Like suddenly just having like lots

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<v Speaker 1>of ground troops didn't didn't matter a whole lot, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But this, this seems more extensive than that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's it's the opening of another dimension of

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<v Speaker 1>competition in a way. Yeah, and yeah, and you think

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<v Speaker 1>so you you mentioned pigmentation. Suddenly the colors you are matter,

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<v Speaker 1>like blending in matters. But also think about the way

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<v Speaker 1>it would make movement matter. It would make the shapes

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<v Speaker 1>of bodies matter. It would just completely change all the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamics of how creatures interacted with one another. Yeah, not

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<v Speaker 1>only prey predator interactions, but of course just interspecies of communication, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and as well as mating, etcetera. I mean, every thing

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<v Speaker 1>changes because of this. Yeah, So We'll come back to

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<v Speaker 1>look at more of these answers to this question throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, but I think we should take our first

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<v Speaker 1>break and then we come back. We will look at

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first major inhabitants of our Cambrian monster House.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back. So as we roll through these,

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<v Speaker 1>I also want everyone to think of potential Halloween costume ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think we have some We have some wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>prehistoric monsters here that I think are more inventive listeners

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<v Speaker 1>might be able to turn into a mask or a

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<v Speaker 1>full body cost Okay, So I want you Starship Troopers

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<v Speaker 1>fans out there to get a little bit excited about

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<v Speaker 1>stone Bug Planet fans of the book or the movie, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they both got bugs. Okay. So in eight

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<v Speaker 1>six there's a Canadian geologist by the name of Richard McConnell,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's visiting the town of Field, the same town

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<v Speaker 1>I went to when I began the walk up Mount

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Field, British Columbia, where some railroad workers told him

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<v Speaker 1>they had found so then creepy on the slopes of

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<v Speaker 1>nearby Mount Stephen. They were these things that they called

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<v Speaker 1>quote stone bugs, and these were in fact, trilobytes the

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<v Speaker 1>best known inhabitants of the Cambrian oceans. Now, trialobytes are

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<v Speaker 1>not a single species, but there are a class of

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<v Speaker 1>extinct animals from the phylum Arthropoda, and so that would

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<v Speaker 1>be the same phylum that includes, for example, insects and crustaceans,

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<v Speaker 1>lobsters or arthropods. Insects and spiders or arthropods. These exoskeleton creatures,

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<v Speaker 1>now trialobytes were an enormously successful form of life, beginning

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<v Speaker 1>in the Cambrian and surviving for about three hundred million

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<v Speaker 1>years until they were wiped out about two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million years ago in the Permian Triassic extinction event

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<v Speaker 1>also known as the Great Dyeing, which was the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>mass extinction in the history of planet Earth. About nent

0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 1>of all marine species went extinct. It's kind of hard

0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:01.200
<v Speaker 1>to imagine, but until then, trial bites were like sort

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 1>of like the insects of today, just this enormously successful,

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>the type of creature found everywhere. They were a swarm

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.360
<v Speaker 1>upon the face of the deep or as I kind

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>of want to think of them as the infinity bugs.

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I like it. So the trio byte body structure kind

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.640
<v Speaker 1>of resembles like a roly poly or a pill bug,

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.399
<v Speaker 1>maybe crossed with a horseshoe crab. It's got these articulated

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>segments lining its back, and if you look at it

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 1>from the top down, you'll see this flat, hard shell

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 1>made of a matrix of tiny calcite needles. And if

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:36.360
<v Speaker 1>you look at it on the vulnerable underside, you'll see

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.399
<v Speaker 1>the legs and the gills and the mouth. And actually

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 1>it does kind of look like a like a roly

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 1>poly or a pill bug on the underside too, if

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:44.920
<v Speaker 1>you ever see them. Yeah, I have to say the

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Trilobyte of all the creatures were going to discuss today, Well,

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 1>first of all, it's the most famous, I think, so

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>most of you have probably seen images of it before.

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:59.360
<v Speaker 1>But it also does look a lot more like existing creatures.

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't if you, if you didn't know better, you

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 1>could easily see an image of this and think that

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.679
<v Speaker 1>it could be something living today. Yeah. I think the

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:11.400
<v Speaker 1>creepiness of the triobyte world comes not from seeing their

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 1>body plans, because you can see stuff that looks kind

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 1>of like them, Like you say, it's just how many

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.400
<v Speaker 1>of them there were, and thinking of this being one

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>of the dominant body plans on the planet or the

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>dominant body plan on the planet. And if you're still

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 1>drawing a blank as to what this looks like, I'm

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.439
<v Speaker 1>going to include images of of all the species that

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 1>we're discussing here on the landing page for this episode.

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.359
<v Speaker 1>It's stuff to blow your mind dot com. All right,

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>So we've had to look at the creature's legs. Let's

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>turn this puppy around. Okay, turn it so if you

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 1>look at it from the top down, you can basically

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 1>divide a trialobyte in three both ways, so if you

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 1>look at it lengthwise, you're looking at it head on. Lengthwise,

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.879
<v Speaker 1>there is bilateral symmetry, and this is the cameraan period.

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 1>We see these animals with bilateral symmetry really taking over.

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 1>You can fold them in half and they're like a book.

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.439
<v Speaker 1>They match on both sides. And in that lengthwise direction,

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the trilobyte is divided into three lobes. You've got the

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.160
<v Speaker 1>axial lobe, which runs down the middle from the head

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>to the tail, kind of like the spine of the

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.919
<v Speaker 1>book or like the spine of a vertebrate. And then

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 1>you've got the two plural lobes on each side. Which

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>you're shielding the legs from above. There were these you know,

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 1>shelled lobes stick out on the side and they cover

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.399
<v Speaker 1>up where the legs would be moving underneath. Now you

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 1>rotate at ninety degrees, and then you've got another three sections.

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.919
<v Speaker 1>You've got the head known as the cephalon, the middle

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>section known as the thorax, and the rear section known

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>as the pigidium. Now, one thing you might wonder, why

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>do we see these articulated segments on the shell of

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>a trilobyte, Like, why doesn't it have something more like

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 1>a big solid turtle shell? You know, why why the

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>different plates overlapping? Well, there are multiple answers, but one

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 1>is that apparently some trilobytes were able to partially curl

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 1>up and protect their soft or bellies, like an armadillo

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>or a pillbug. Yeah, it's so. Do you do you

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 1>use the word pillbug or roly poly? Do I think

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>they're the same thing, the same creature or the same

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, classification of creatures at the very least. But yeah,

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>I grew up with roly poly. I think I did too,

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 1>And somehow in my adulthood transition to pillbug, I've sold

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>out my childhood wonders. It does sound significantly less silly. Well, anyway,

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>trial bite fossils are that. That's what you're walking on

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>in the Mount Stephen trial by beds, right. So you

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>walk around, you crunch through these things, you pick up

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>these rocks and they've got these little shells in them,

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>and the trial bite fossils are so common you can

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 1>get the sense that these animals must have been stacked

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>a mile high when they actually existed, right. There were

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them in the Cambrian but they're perhaps

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:51.719
<v Speaker 1>overrepresented in the fossil record because many of the fossilized

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>shells we find are not the animals themselves, but the

0:29:55.920 --> 0:30:00.719
<v Speaker 1>discarded shells left over from the molting process. So, like

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Arthur pods today, trial bytes were himmed in by this

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>protective shell, and if they wanted to grow bigger, they

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>had to molt, which meant discarding that protective outer layer

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 1>and temporarily risking a soft bodied existence in order to

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>grow that larger, harder shell. It would be like if

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>there were a prehistoric hominid creature that left multiple skeletons,

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, which is of course impossible, but with an

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 1>exoskeleton is is completely is very possible. Well, the vulnerability

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>of molting makes me think about the comparison to a

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>human newborn. You know, when when babies are born, they

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily have all their their hard protective skeletal parts yet,

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>and I have a lot of unfused together the unfused

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 1>skull for example, and the soft cartilaginous body parts where

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>you really do make yourself vulnerable when you're first born.

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>But of course they're depending on the fact that mammals

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 1>have protective parents that will try to prevent injury to

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>their offspring when they're young and vulnerable trial bites. I

0:30:57.840 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know if they're they're quite so protective of their

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean you could say that puberty is kind of

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>a molting period where where where we tend to be

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 1>soft and vulnerable, if not in if not in mentally,

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 1>at least mentally. Yeah. Uh so, that's interesting to think

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 1>of the molting process having an impact on the sheer

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 1>number of fossilized remains. But but then on top of that,

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>of course, it makes you analyze, and we've discussed this

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 1>on the show before, like what makes a creature more

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>liable to be fossilized and I mean, you look at

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the creatures that are fossilized in any great number. It's

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>not going to be an apex predator living in a

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>dry region. It's going to be something like a low

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:42.480
<v Speaker 1>level and bird invertebrate that lives in the muck, something

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 1>that gets buried quickly. Uh, and that leaves behind hard

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>body parts near water, especially right. So the great the

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 1>great land squid of old right, has not been preserved.

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>But their beaks are many. Oh, yes, that's right. We

0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>would get the beaks. Yeah, these beds of beaks. We've

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 1>under what they are. Yeah. But because there are so

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>many triobyte fossils, and because they're so strange and so

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.239
<v Speaker 1>alien to the modern life forms we encounter in our

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:10.959
<v Speaker 1>day to day lives, I mean they might be they

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 1>might bear some resemblance to insects, for example, right, and

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>this is why railroad worker might call them stone bugs.

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 1>But it's no surprise that they show up in human

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>culture too. I wanted to mention one cool example I

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 1>came across. Remember Adrian Mayor, who wrote the first fossil Hunters.

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 1>We talked about her in our in our what was

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>it the geomethology? Yes, yes, this had to do with

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>how did ancient people look at fossil life remains? Didn't

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I think they were monsters? That they think they were dragons? Yeah? Yeah?

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>And did did these ideas of mythical monsters come from

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>people finding fossils? So she's got another boat called Fossil

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Legends of the First Americans, and she writes of how

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 1>triobyte fossils were apparently used as protective amulets by some

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>of the Ute people of Utah. So this one story

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>is that in the early nineteen hundreds there was an

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>amateur natural historian named Frank back With, and he noticed

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 1>a trial bite necklace at a Ute burial site. So

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 1>he asked some friends of his name, Joseph and Tedford

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 1>pick of It, who were members of the tribe, what

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>this meant, and they told him that the fossil was

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>called Timpei kansavaci, which meant little water bug in stone

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 1>and Beckwith also records that the men told him that

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>their elders believed that wearing the trial bites could protect

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 1>against sickness and bullets. But I thought that's kind of

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>cool that look somehow the fossils were intuited to have

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 1>been water dwelling creatures, and I wonder how people would

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>have figured that out back then. I thought that was

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>really interesting. Yeah, especially given that there would be there

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>would be plenty of terrestrial invertebrates to compare it to.

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe they maybe they saw more of the

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 1>of the crab in this creature than they did, uh,

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, terrestrial bugs. I know, I wouldn't have been

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 1>that perceptive. I would have called it like roly Poly

0:33:55.840 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 1>or something. Well, anyway, considering that all the there are

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 1>all these shells everywhere, another possible answer to the question

0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:08.280
<v Speaker 1>of what caused the Cambrian explosion comes up? What if

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 1>the Cambrian explosion is an illusion? What if it is

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 1>not so much an event in history where all these

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 1>animals suddenly emerged, but a misperception created by the types

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>of evidence available to us, a reporting error exactly, It

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.240
<v Speaker 1>would be a sampling bias. How would that be. Well,

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>like we've been talking about, we know fossilization has this

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>serious preference for hard body parts, and it appears to

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>be around the Cambrian period that biomineralization, right, the forming

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 1>of these mineral based body parts like skeletons and shells,

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 1>that that became common in many different animals. It's the

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 1>age of shells and exoskeletons. So it could be that

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>many animal forms had precedent in the Precambrian era, that

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>there were there were animals sort of like them living before,

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's simply that we don't have good records of

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 1>them because they were aren't making hard body parts yet. Okay,

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>so this makes sense. So it's not it's it's not

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>that just suddenly there are all these creatures around with

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>their hard shells. There were plenty of creatures around beforehand.

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>It's just those were not preserved. Those are not as

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.840
<v Speaker 1>president the fossil record, right, because they didn't have the

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:19.240
<v Speaker 1>hard shells. Yeah. On the other hand, even soft animals

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 1>leave some fossil traces like tracks and burrows, And generally,

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I think paleontolog just think that these types of fossils

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 1>are not as abundant as they would seem to be

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>if the Precambrian world was basically a soft, flappy copy

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:37.440
<v Speaker 1>of the Cambrian. But either way, this leads us to

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:39.760
<v Speaker 1>a kind of new way of framing the Cambrian question.

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>If the Camerian explosion is characterized as this explosion of

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.920
<v Speaker 1>animal body plans, and especially those with hard body parts.

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Why do the hard body parts show up? Like? Where

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>do they come from? Why evolve shells? And this leads

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:56.760
<v Speaker 1>us to another possible answer to the to the cause

0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>of the Cambrian explosion. What if it was caused by

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>a by aological innovation like predation? Oh so like you,

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.840
<v Speaker 1>So you have all of these creatures that have that

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>have evolved and then suddenly they realized, Hey, we can

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 1>just eat each other. I can I can just eat

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:15.279
<v Speaker 1>these guys. Why should I compete for the same same

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>meal when I can make them my meal and then

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm essentially eating what they already ate, Right, Why would

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I waste my time filter feeding when I can just

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:28.320
<v Speaker 1>eat ted over there? Yeah. So Eric Spurling, the Stanford

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 1>paleontologist who is the lead author on one of the

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 1>papers I mentioned earlier in this episode, he explained in

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 1>a Nature News article earlier this year, or actually know

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 1>it was last year, that he thinks a very modest

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 1>increase in dissolved oxygen could have been enough to push

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the the ocean chemistry over the edge to allow for

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the emergence of predation and carnivory. As an ecological niche,

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 1>which would have thereafter driven evolution across the animal spectrum

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 1>as this arms race between predator and prey emerged. In

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.839
<v Speaker 1>a world of predators, you need shells and you need

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 1>to be able to move. Yeah, alright, well this this

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>sounds the sounds plausible, and there's some evidence that this

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 1>is what was happening. Here's an odd fact. Sometimes trialobyte

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:21.240
<v Speaker 1>fossils are missing chunks, not because the fossils have been damaged,

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:25.320
<v Speaker 1>but apparently because the animals were One example, a specimen

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:29.240
<v Speaker 1>of the trial trialobyte illinoid is found in Walcott's Quarry

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>at the Burge of Shale, has this distinct W shape

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 1>missing from its left side, as if something took this

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of two fanged bite out of it. So in

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>this alien ocean, and you have to imagine me, uh,

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>in the voice of Ripley and aliens, who's laying the eggs?

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>What's taking the bites out of these trilobytes. Maybe it's

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 1>less dramatic if if you put it that way, but

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, there's got to be something something else out there,

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.879
<v Speaker 1>some sort of predator that is that is chopping down

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>of these guys. And this leads us to the second

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 1>monster in our Cambrian monster House, the weird shrimp. Alright,

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>hold that thought, because we're gonna take a quick break,

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.279
<v Speaker 1>and when we come back, we will we will get

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 1>to know the weird shrimp, which is truly unless you're already,

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, super familiar with this time period, I would

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>say it's the first really alien creature of the Cambrian period.

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back. Okay. So in Ewo, a British

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Canadian paleontologist named Joseph Frederick Witty Eves was trying to

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>figure out how to classify some odd Cambrian fossils that

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>looked like headless shrimp shells. You can look at pictures

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 1>of these online, but um, you could see these five

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 1>hundred million year old imprints of these clawed tails and bodies,

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:53.879
<v Speaker 1>but the heads were always missing. Yeah, they look they

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:57.399
<v Speaker 1>basically look like entrees. Yeah. Yeah, it's like somebody pulled

0:38:57.440 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the head off the shrimp and served it to you

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:03.280
<v Speaker 1>in a little cocktail glass. Now, he named the organism

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Anomala carus, which means weird shrimp or strange shrimp or

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:14.280
<v Speaker 1>odd shrimp, however you prefer. Meanwhile, Burgess shale pioneer Charles Walcott,

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>which who is the guy who the Walcott's Quarry at

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the Burgess Shield was named after, he collected and described

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 1>a fossil of a different animal. These preserved remains only

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>showed a large, disembodied mouth, a thick muscular ring shape,

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 1>surrounded by a circle of jagged teeth facing inward, and

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Walcott believed this mouth to be the remains of a

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 1>jellyfish that he named Patoya. Al Right, so this would

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 1>be the mouth of an otherwise soft creature, that was

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:44.399
<v Speaker 1>his argument. And all we have left is the mouth, right.

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:48.240
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't until many decades later that researchers Harry

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Whittington and Derek Briggs figured out that these two weird

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>anomalous animals were weird and anomalous because they were different

0:39:55.760 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 1>parts of the same creature, a huge Cambrian editor that

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:04.319
<v Speaker 1>retained the name of Anomala carus. The weird shrimp were

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 1>actually a pair of clawed appendages basically mouth tentacles for

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 1>snatching up prey and shoving it into the mouth parts,

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.399
<v Speaker 1>and the mouth parts where the toothy ring, which had

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 1>previously been identified as patoya. If you've never seen an

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 1>image of Anomala carus. This is another thing to look

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 1>up well, or maybe we'll try to include a picture

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:27.360
<v Speaker 1>on the landing. Yeah, we'll include a picture of this

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:29.719
<v Speaker 1>this creature, because it's just too it's too weird. If

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 1>it need be, we will draw one and uploaded to

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the side. It's sort of like impossible to make yourself

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 1>believe that this thing really existed on Earth. But I've

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>seen the fossils now, and so the reason these disembodied

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 1>parts were originally misidentified was a common problem in paleontology.

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:51.440
<v Speaker 1>As we've mentioned several times now, fossilization is strongly biased

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>toward hard body parts like shells and bones. Anomala carus

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:59.359
<v Speaker 1>did not have a hard exoskeleton covering its whole body,

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 1>but probably had a very light kitanous outer layer like

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 1>a shrimp shell on some parts of its body, and

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:09.360
<v Speaker 1>when it died and decomposed, its body probably fell apart

0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:12.879
<v Speaker 1>into different pieces, and not all of those pieces were

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 1>preserved at the same rate. So it's rare to find

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 1>fossils that preserve any information about soft body parts, and

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 1>even rarer still to find soft bodies intact all in

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>one place. Rare, but not entirely impossible because since the

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 1>original discovery of what amounted to Anomala cars is killing equipment,

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:36.800
<v Speaker 1>more fully preserved Anomala cars specimens have been discovered. For example,

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 1>one fossil discovered in nineteen two shows the spiked feeding

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 1>arms branching off of the head, within reach of the

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 1>crushing mouth ring, and all contained within the imprint of

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 1>this elongated soft body lined with lateral lobes that probably

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 1>undulated to power swimming. So if you're trying to imagine

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.359
<v Speaker 1>this thing right now, you have to picture a kind

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:04.879
<v Speaker 1>of wide, flat at lobed jellyfish snake undulating along through

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 1>the ancient seas, with a gaping mouth ring on the

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 1>underside that could squeeze with teeth but never fully close,

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 1>and then sticking out of its face a couple of

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 1>hooked fang tentacles lined with spikes. Yeah this this looks

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:23.359
<v Speaker 1>like a creature that belongs in a Star Wars cantina. Yeah. Yeah,

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 1>it should be like having a drink and telling you

0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't like you, and it probably doesn't like you.

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.879
<v Speaker 1>Now you you might be thinking, okay, so how big

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 1>were these things? Right? Like? A few inches long? Parts

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 1>found in fossil sites in China indicate that Anomalo carras

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 1>type organisms may have grown to almost two meters long,

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>which is around six feet. You know, people do those

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>like booking a swim with the dolphins thing. I think

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.320
<v Speaker 1>people should book swim with the anomalo carras. They should

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:55.760
<v Speaker 1>use some kind of DNA engineering to bring these things back,

0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, and then have you swim with them at

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the resort the per day shouldn't explosion hypothesis is correct? Especially,

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this was eating other animals was a growth industry,

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:09.880
<v Speaker 1>so it it does make sense that that the the

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 1>successful model for eating other creatures would produce larger and

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>larger organisms, right yeah. So, but the question I guess

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:19.719
<v Speaker 1>is if these things are preying on the you know,

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.400
<v Speaker 1>the widespread triobittes of the ancient seas, I don't know,

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:25.439
<v Speaker 1>would they take a bite out of you if they could.

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.800
<v Speaker 1>So you're in the water with them. You obviously don't

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 1>look or smell like their normal prey. But then again,

0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 1>they might just want to see what it tastes like.

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to know. We kind of get into that

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 1>whole shark and gorilla area. I don't know if I've

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 1>mentioned this on the podcast, but I don't think so well.

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Every time I go to the ocean, I comfort myself

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:49.279
<v Speaker 1>regarding the risk or apparent risk of sharks and and

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of course just shark media in general by thinking about

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the just like a brief clip on The Simpsons where

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 1>shark jumps out of the water and grabs a gorilla

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 1>out of a tree, just ridiculous for several reasons, but

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 1>it drives home like this is this is something that

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 1>does not happen, is not part of the the the

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:13.680
<v Speaker 1>the the energy model for either species, you know, uh

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and and and that's essentially what I am. I am

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 1>a gorilla in the water, and the shark has not

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 1>evolved to eat me exclusively. It can if need be,

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 1>but it's not out there looking for gorillas. Right. It

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.879
<v Speaker 1>might have also, though, evolved a sort of like prey

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>diversity curiosity. It might take a little nibble on you

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:32.879
<v Speaker 1>to see what you're like, right, right, So I guess

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 1>that would be the main concern. But I'm guessing you

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 1>would have this element of surprise because, by the way,

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean to be promoting like fear of sharks.

0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:43.839
<v Speaker 1>Obviously we're not their primary prey, right. But but I'm

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 1>guessing with with humans, if if we were to go

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:49.480
<v Speaker 1>with our opening scenario and you were just dropped into

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the waters among these things, I would hope you would

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:55.560
<v Speaker 1>have this this element of surprise over them and they

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 1>would be a bit shocked and uncertain and hesitant to

0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 1>approach you. So another thing that's really cool about Anomala

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 1>carres is that they have these amazing eyes. For a

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:10.839
<v Speaker 1>long time, detailed evidence of non biomineralized arthropod eyes had

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 1>been hard to find, but in two thousand eleven there

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 1>was a letter to Nature that detailed this amazing find

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:19.799
<v Speaker 1>at the Emu Bay Shale of South Australia, and what

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:23.839
<v Speaker 1>they had found was preserved Anomala carus eyes, and they

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 1>found that they had a pair of two to three

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>centimeter eyes about five fifteen million years old, and they

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 1>were compound eyes made of at least sixteen thousand hexagonally

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 1>packed lenses, meaning these eyes would have been about as

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:42.280
<v Speaker 1>acute as the most powerful arthropod eyes today, like dragonfly eyes.

0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:45.400
<v Speaker 1>And the authors think that this is uh that this

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 1>evidence of acute vision lends support to the idea that

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:53.479
<v Speaker 1>Anomala carreras was a powerful, fast moving apex predator going

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>all throughout the water column, which and this would have

0:45:56.120 --> 0:46:00.040
<v Speaker 1>accelerated the arms race that triggered Cambrian biodiversity and i

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 1>O mineralization. You know, this also just makes me wonder, though,

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 1>would a creature like this have anything to fear? Well,

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean probably not. I mean if it's the apex

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:12.359
<v Speaker 1>predator of an ancient ocean. What, it's the biggest thing

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>out there and it's got the most powerful killing equipment.

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.880
<v Speaker 1>What does it have to worry about? Nothing? Until you know,

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the time traveling human shows up and starts clubbing them.

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:22.879
<v Speaker 1>I guess that club they brought. You'd have to bring

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 1>your own club. That's the key here. But nothing dead

0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 1>will go. Ah, well, you know maybe it's still living.

0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Tree branch will work. Oh yeah, maybe that. Somebody should

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:35.880
<v Speaker 1>have told kyleys about that. I guess that wouldn't have

0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:37.960
<v Speaker 1>been all that effective against the determinator. Yeah, where are

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.880
<v Speaker 1>they going to get a tree branch? And the desolate

0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:45.279
<v Speaker 1>post apocalypture? Okay, we're on a tangent here, so we're

0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna look at some more uh Cambrian monsters. But one

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.279
<v Speaker 1>more thing about Anomala carress before we move on, there

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 1>is still a fascinating debate going on about how and

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>what Anomala carress ate. So some of these wounded trial

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:00.800
<v Speaker 1>bytes that we discussed earlier have injuries. It really seemed

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to match the two pronged grasping appendages of the anomal

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:08.400
<v Speaker 1>caress and some experts believe that its mouth parts would

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 1>not have been powerful enough to prey upon TRIALO bytes

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.720
<v Speaker 1>with their hard outer shells. So that kind of creates

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 1>a question like what was was it eating something else?

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Like how could it have gotten through these hard outer shells.

0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:25.239
<v Speaker 1>There are a few options. Maybe maybe they were just

0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:28.920
<v Speaker 1>really beefy and they could crunch through those shells. Maybe

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 1>they had some method of prying the shells off of

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:35.280
<v Speaker 1>weaker trialo bytes and sucking up all the soft parts inside.

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Or there's also an interesting possibility I learned about from

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the guide on our hike, David. Maybe they took a

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 1>tip from the crab shack down the shore and they

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>sought out soft shells trialo bytes who were in the

0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.920
<v Speaker 1>process of molting. So you you release your hard shell,

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:54.719
<v Speaker 1>put that aside to be fossilized for people to find

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 1>millions of years later, and then you stay soft for

0:47:57.760 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 1>a little bit while you, you know, you grow. What

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:04.040
<v Speaker 1>if they sought those out, the molten trial bytes and

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 1>nominoomb oh man, Yeah, I mean that could be. That

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>could be the very uh niche that they are exploiting.

0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 1>When you turn to the model of of of eating

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:17.400
<v Speaker 1>other creatures, what better time than the molting period. Okay,

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:20.160
<v Speaker 1>So the trialo bytes and anomal carrass type creatures are

0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:23.800
<v Speaker 1>some of the main players that we see in UH

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:26.920
<v Speaker 1>in Cambrian evolution, but there are also all of these

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:32.640
<v Speaker 1>fascinating bizarre periphery organisms. Like Robert, would you like to

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:34.600
<v Speaker 1>take us on a tour of the rest of the

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Cambrian monster house? Sure? Yeah, we have some wonderful UH

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:42.319
<v Speaker 1>specimens here to discuss here, and there's not there's not

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.400
<v Speaker 1>necessarily as much data behind all of them. I mean

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:48.120
<v Speaker 1>there's data, but it's maybe not as as sexy as

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:51.880
<v Speaker 1>such as a trilobyte. However, they still have some some

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.920
<v Speaker 1>fascinating features, and I think many of them would make

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 1>excellent Halloween costomes. I would say they're much sexier than

0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the trial byte, maybe just not as a robust step.

0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:03.759
<v Speaker 1>So the first one here I want to discuss is

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 1>um opabinia. I've often called the stock eyed vacuum cinabite.

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 1>That's a good description one that I think evokes the

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:17.200
<v Speaker 1>alien qualities of this creature. So if you're not looking

0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 1>at a picture of this right now and stuff to

0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:20.960
<v Speaker 1>blow your mind dot com, I want you to imagine

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 1>something like a shrimp or a lobster, but with rows

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:27.759
<v Speaker 1>of side lobes along its sides, paddling along like the

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:31.600
<v Speaker 1>ores of a like a galley spiking ship. You's got

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:33.840
<v Speaker 1>these lobes on the sides, kind of like we described,

0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:38.000
<v Speaker 1>with anomalocras that undulate to move it along throughout the water. Right.

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:40.880
<v Speaker 1>And you know, it is not that remarkable at the

0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the end, Like I said, if you were just catching

0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:45.160
<v Speaker 1>it a glimpse of it out of the corner of

0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:47.440
<v Speaker 1>your eye, that the back portion doesn't look that different

0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:50.279
<v Speaker 1>from again, like a lobster or shrimp or something. But

0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:53.480
<v Speaker 1>it's the front end of the creature that is is

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 1>rather interesting because it has a long, flexible proboscis tipped

0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:01.640
<v Speaker 1>with grasping spines, and the creature itself was about three

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:06.080
<v Speaker 1>inches long, not counting this uh weird cool richie tentacle. Yeah.

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Five eyes to right, five eyes on stalks. Yes, five eyes,

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:15.759
<v Speaker 1>just standing right at you on stalks like they put

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 1>them on stalks. It's like just a mess with us. Yeah,

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and I think this all sounds very love crafty and

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:24.920
<v Speaker 1>but but according to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History,

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:29.759
<v Speaker 1>a reconstructed image of the creature resulted in laughter at

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:32.479
<v Speaker 1>a nineteen seventy two scientific meetings. So instead of looking

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:36.080
<v Speaker 1>at this thing and thinking, oh, this sounds horrific, it's like,

0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:38.160
<v Speaker 1>got this reaching arm that you know is up to

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 1>no good with its spikes on the end. But yeah,

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 1>apparently when it was first presented, uh, other other scientists

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 1>laughed at the prospect of something this ridiculous looking. So

0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 1>you have to think, so, it's got this reaching appendage

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.320
<v Speaker 1>that's sort of like its mouth appendage thing, So what's

0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of like maybe sort of like an ant eater,

0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess, but it's obviously not a vertebr at, not

0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:03.080
<v Speaker 1>a mammal. Yeah, it was. The idea here is that

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:05.680
<v Speaker 1>this would have haunted the soft sea bed and it

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:09.319
<v Speaker 1>would would have reached into sand burrows with this, so

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:16.439
<v Speaker 1>this spiked terminating wriggly arm to grab delicious worms and

0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 1>uh and actually have a quote here. This is from HB.

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Whittington from the enigmatic animal Opabinia regalis Middle Cambrian Burgess Shale,

0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 1>British Columbia. This was presented the Royal Society b quote.

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:34.959
<v Speaker 1>Opabinia regalius may have plowed shallowly in the bottom mud,

0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:38.839
<v Speaker 1>propelled by movement of the lateral lobes. The eyes are

0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:41.759
<v Speaker 1>presumed to have been capable of detecting movements in the

0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 1>surrounding waters, and the frontal process to have been used

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:47.759
<v Speaker 1>to explore the mud for food and bring it to

0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the backward facing mouth. The frontal process. That is the

0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:57.239
<v Speaker 1>most amazing euphemistic term for killing equipment. And then they

0:51:57.239 --> 0:52:00.440
<v Speaker 1>put the frontal process through the thorax the way that

0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:03.319
<v Speaker 1>my son Uh describes it with the animals when he's

0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:05.759
<v Speaker 1>like drawing dinosaurs. He says that this is the part

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:11.800
<v Speaker 1>that makes the animal's eyes close and then die. Yeah,

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 1>so you know, the frontal process is the part that

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:19.279
<v Speaker 1>makes the trial by its eyes closed. So this is

0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 1>a this is a cool specimen. It's it's unique, it's enigmatic,

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:24.479
<v Speaker 1>it's silly looking, but it's also you have to admit,

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a very sensible organism when you really think about it

0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 1>um it's it needs something to grab those worms. It

0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:34.839
<v Speaker 1>has a single you know, grabber to do it. Now.

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 1>It's It's also interesting that this one remains unassigned to

0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:43.799
<v Speaker 1>any other extinct or currently living major group. That there

0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:45.560
<v Speaker 1>are some theories, but for the most part, this is

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:49.359
<v Speaker 1>one of those um, you know, abandoned prototypes you can

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:52.120
<v Speaker 1>think of. You know, there's there there's nothing out there

0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:55.239
<v Speaker 1>that that we know of that is a descendant of

0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:58.880
<v Speaker 1>this thing. That's interesting because when I think about organisms

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:03.800
<v Speaker 1>like this, I think about the relationship between manipulation limbs

0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:08.080
<v Speaker 1>and the evolution of intelligence. I mean, there's one way

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:11.520
<v Speaker 1>of looking at the evolution of hominid intelligence, and it's

0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:14.080
<v Speaker 1>to say that, Okay, one thing that may have driven

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:17.880
<v Speaker 1>humans and other you know, great apes to have larger

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:22.000
<v Speaker 1>brains and more intellectual power than the average mammal is

0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:24.799
<v Speaker 1>that they've got free limbs that they don't always have

0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:28.840
<v Speaker 1>to use for walking and stuff like that to manipulate objects,

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and that the manipulation of objects allowed them to you know,

0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:37.040
<v Speaker 1>have advantages in the manipulation of tools and stuff like that. Yeah,

0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:39.839
<v Speaker 1>you can't help but imagine like what if this had

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:44.840
<v Speaker 1>been the successful uh limb of of of evolutionary ascension,

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and that ended up with all of these different like

0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:51.600
<v Speaker 1>monolimbed creatures, you know, plowing about in the seas, climbing

0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:53.560
<v Speaker 1>up onto land and maybe getting to the point where

0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:56.800
<v Speaker 1>they're using that that one spiky tentacle to to type

0:53:56.840 --> 0:54:00.840
<v Speaker 1>on computer keyboards. Yeah, yeah, you see it in octopi to,

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:03.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, having these free, these free limbs that they

0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:07.040
<v Speaker 1>can manipulate things with. I wonder could Opabinia, if it

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 1>hadn't gone extinct yet, could it have become the tool

0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:14.480
<v Speaker 1>using creature before there were even mammals. But instead it

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.600
<v Speaker 1>just remains this this weird dead end that looks it

0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 1>looks like if you decided to make an animal out

0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of random Lego pieces and he stuck that. I think

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:27.320
<v Speaker 1>they still have that, that sort of twisty grabber mechanism

0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:31.400
<v Speaker 1>and the Lego kids today. Alright, the next creature on

0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:36.480
<v Speaker 1>our list here is the Hallucigenia. Hallucigenia well named yeh,

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:38.759
<v Speaker 1>it almost doesn't need a cool nickname, but I know

0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:41.440
<v Speaker 1>you have one thought up already. How about the creeping

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:47.600
<v Speaker 1>headless spike worm. Yes, yeah, that's because it works because

0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:50.920
<v Speaker 1>we're essentially looking at a tube of flesh with two

0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>rows of spines on one side and one row of

0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>mouth tipped tentacles on the other. And on either end,

0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 1>if we're keep in mind here we're working from the fossils.

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Here on either end there's kind of a dark stain.

0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Presumably one of them is the head. And presumably the

0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:11.520
<v Speaker 1>idea here is that, at least the early ideas that

0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:14.239
<v Speaker 1>it walked about on those spines and it waved its

0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:17.760
<v Speaker 1>tentacles above it. Uh so you had this still walking

0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:23.280
<v Speaker 1>tentacle waiver something with no modern analogy, no modern analogy.

0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:25.440
<v Speaker 1>It looks like something that you would see illustrated in

0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:30.360
<v Speaker 1>a Wayne Barlow alien book. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, or like

0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:33.279
<v Speaker 1>something um, I don't know. It looks kind of like

0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:35.759
<v Speaker 1>one of those blobs that sometimes shows up in a

0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Gary Larson cartoon and he's just trying to create a

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.080
<v Speaker 1>weird alien shape. Yeah. I mean, it looks like something

0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:43.120
<v Speaker 1>that would come out of a dream. Thus its name.

0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:46.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, it looks it's hallucigenia. It's something that is

0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:49.560
<v Speaker 1>that that seems like a fever dream of brought to

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 1>life in a fossil. Now. I think this was first

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 1>first put together by paleontologists in the seventies, right right,

0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and then they had there was a subsequent find from

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Chi I know that showed a similar creature with a

0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 1>second row of tentacles tipped with claws, and then they realized, oh,

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:09.279
<v Speaker 1>we have it upside down. The creature walked on the

0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:14.040
<v Speaker 1>tentacles and the spikes provided an upward facing protective array.

0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:16.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's a lot. I mean, it's still a weird

0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:18.879
<v Speaker 1>looking critter, don't get me wrong, but that's a lot

0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:20.799
<v Speaker 1>more in keeping us what we might expect. You know,

0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:23.919
<v Speaker 1>that's not that different from say, a turtle with legs

0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 1>on the bottom and the protective display on top, or

0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 1>any you know, various examples from the invertebrate world. I

0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:33.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know, is that less weird? I'm trying to think. Okay,

0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:36.799
<v Speaker 1>so it's it's like a worm and it's got these

0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:39.799
<v Speaker 1>long tentacles with mouths on them that it walks on. Yeah,

0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's still weird, and it's got spikes sticking up. Okay, Yeah,

0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I guess a little less weird than walking on the spikes. Yeah,

0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:48.640
<v Speaker 1>I guess. It's kind of a fun experiment you can

0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:52.319
<v Speaker 1>play anytime you see like a crazy alien illustration. Try

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:54.640
<v Speaker 1>to decide is it more alien if you turn it

0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:58.839
<v Speaker 1>upside down? Uh? Because yeah, you can either improve upon

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:00.880
<v Speaker 1>the design or figure about how they came up with

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:05.600
<v Speaker 1>it to again with maybe. Alright, so let's talk about

0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:07.640
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit bit more here. So, University of

0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Durham invertebrate paleontologist Martin R. Smith, who was an interesting

0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:15.360
<v Speaker 1>chap He has a nice online presence. He placed the

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 1>fossil of one of these creatures in an electron microscope

0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 1>in an attempt to, you know, figure out more about it.

0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:24.640
<v Speaker 1>And one of the pressing questions was name, like, which

0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:27.200
<v Speaker 1>which end is the head and which one is the anus? Well, yeah,

0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean that that's sort of. I knew there was

0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 1>some problem with locating its head, and that comes through

0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:35.160
<v Speaker 1>in my name nomenclature of it, the headless spike worm.

0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Now I mentioned the stains earlier, right, like, basically from

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the fossils we knew we knew that there was like

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 1>a big stain on one end and a smaller stain

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:44.560
<v Speaker 1>on the other, and one was presumably the head. So

0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the larger stain was was for a long time interpreted

0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:50.920
<v Speaker 1>as a balloon like head on this creature. But it

0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:53.520
<v Speaker 1>turns out it was very much a stain. It was

0:57:53.680 --> 0:57:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the quote decay fluids that had been squeezed out of

0:57:57.400 --> 0:58:00.320
<v Speaker 1>one end of the guts of the organism grows. Yeah,

0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:01.920
<v Speaker 1>so this was the anus in the head was on

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the other side. And when they looked to the head,

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>you know what, they found hockey mask. Close they found

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:13.320
<v Speaker 1>a smiley face. Yeah, a pair of eyes with a

0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:16.960
<v Speaker 1>semicircular grin. Uh. And it so it was sort of

0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:18.560
<v Speaker 1>like a they say, it was sort of like a

0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:21.880
<v Speaker 1>caterpillar looking creature. Yeah. Now when I say smiley face,

0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:24.480
<v Speaker 1>it's it's kind of abstract. I'm looking at an image

0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:26.840
<v Speaker 1>of it here. But but we can't help but look

0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:30.160
<v Speaker 1>at it with our with our human failings and say, oh,

0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 1>well that's a smiley face. Oh hallucigenia, you devil you. Yeah.

0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:39.960
<v Speaker 1>So hallucigenia is a fun one for sure. Stealing my heart.

0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Take me somewhere even weirder, Robert, All right, well the

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:47.760
<v Speaker 1>next one is will Waxia, and uh, I believe you

0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 1>did you? Did you come up with a name for

0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 1>this one or did I? Okay, I think I actually

0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:54.600
<v Speaker 1>came up with a few different ones here. So it

0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:58.000
<v Speaker 1>looks kind of like a prehistoric iron maiden. It also

0:58:58.040 --> 0:59:01.560
<v Speaker 1>looks like an organic battle holm or perhaps a grim

0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:07.000
<v Speaker 1>dark Pokemon, and it provides another splash of of the

0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:11.400
<v Speaker 1>bizarre to the Cambrian seas. So two rows of long

0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:15.800
<v Speaker 1>spines and a kind of plate mail armor of leaf

0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:19.600
<v Speaker 1>shaped ribbed plates again on something that looks like a hat.

0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:23.439
<v Speaker 1>It it looks like a spiked hat like plate mail

0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:27.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of scenario. I can't stress the armor analogy enough.

0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:29.720
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like a half of a walnut with

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:32.960
<v Speaker 1>with plate mail on it and knives sticking out. Yeah,

0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:35.320
<v Speaker 1>it looks like something an orc would wear on its head.

0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:40.560
<v Speaker 1>And uh, A lot of the fossils here are essentially

0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:43.080
<v Speaker 1>that we have of this thing are essentially flattened remains

0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:46.040
<v Speaker 1>of this natural armor, because again it's the hard parts

0:59:46.040 --> 0:59:48.680
<v Speaker 1>that were left with and we just have to try

0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:51.200
<v Speaker 1>and interpret what the soft tissue would have consisted of.

0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:54.800
<v Speaker 1>And there are different interpretations here. Now Martin Smith, who

0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I just mentioned earlier, he favors the mollus interpretation. He

0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:02.280
<v Speaker 1>says that their mouth, which would have been a radula

1:00:02.360 --> 1:00:05.440
<v Speaker 1>bearing two rows of teeth, have several similarities with the

1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:08.640
<v Speaker 1>teeth of modern mollus and uh and and they look

1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:11.880
<v Speaker 1>nothing like worm teeth, because that's the other argument is

1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:16.680
<v Speaker 1>that these are essentially worm creatures. Specifically they would be

1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:22.360
<v Speaker 1>bristle worms. But that's more of a controversial interpretation. So

1:00:22.440 --> 1:00:25.040
<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of depth for that particular organism

1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:27.920
<v Speaker 1>other than it just looks really strange. And when you

1:00:28.040 --> 1:00:31.840
<v Speaker 1>when you see illustrations of the Cambrian sea, you will

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<v Speaker 1>often find it'll get it will get in there somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It won't be the central organism, but it will it

1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:40.400
<v Speaker 1>will have a place in the in the in the illustration.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I've got a question around among this ancient Cambrian

1:00:45.640 --> 1:00:49.160
<v Speaker 1>monster house, this sea full of bizarre alien creatures, we

1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:53.400
<v Speaker 1>have to imagine that modern day life forms can trace

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<v Speaker 1>their roots back to organisms that inhabited these oceans, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about very successful, whole modern philo like vertebrates. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because the whole idea here is not that like everything

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<v Speaker 1>dies often and and life begins a new Uh, that

1:01:09.760 --> 1:01:13.800
<v Speaker 1>some of these models would would have descendants alive today,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be you know, rather different to organisms. And we

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<v Speaker 1>have just such a case with Pekaia. Though it's a

1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:24.000
<v Speaker 1>controversial example, right, yes, yeah, that this is not this

1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:27.880
<v Speaker 1>is not set in stone that the fossils, of course are. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you you referred to this as the ancestor fish slug

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<v Speaker 1>or potential potential ancestor. So if you're not looking at

1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:39.200
<v Speaker 1>an image of this creature, imagine a c slug that

1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:42.800
<v Speaker 1>swims like a modern fish, and you've got a clear

1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:46.560
<v Speaker 1>vision of Pecaia, or at least a clear vision as anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>The crazy thing about it is that that scientists point

1:01:49.920 --> 1:01:52.840
<v Speaker 1>to its not a chord, a precursor to the spinal cord,

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<v Speaker 1>and also a key aspect of this creature's swimming mechanics

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<v Speaker 1>as a reason that it could just be an ancestor

1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:03.680
<v Speaker 1>of all to bruts, including humans. But we're also throwing

1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:05.840
<v Speaker 1>a curve in all this because it has a two

1:02:05.920 --> 1:02:08.840
<v Speaker 1>lobed head that doesn't sound like any vertebrates I've ever

1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:12.040
<v Speaker 1>heard of. Yeah, scientists remain split on this now. A

1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:16.640
<v Speaker 1>nineteen discovery of a primitive fish in the Lower Cambrian

1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:20.160
<v Speaker 1>also suggests that it in Pecaya had an even more

1:02:20.240 --> 1:02:23.440
<v Speaker 1>ancient common ancestor. Okay, so it might be that this

1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:27.600
<v Speaker 1>thing wasn't a direct ancestor of existing vertebrates, but that

1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it might have been an offshoot of whatever was a

1:02:30.680 --> 1:02:34.320
<v Speaker 1>direct ancestor of living vertebrates. And I think it will

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<v Speaker 1>make a great Halloween costume for anyone out there who's

1:02:37.040 --> 1:02:41.080
<v Speaker 1>who's not sold on the previous specimens. Grandma fish slug. Yeah, yeah,

1:02:41.120 --> 1:02:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean I can just imagine it moving like you

1:02:44.040 --> 1:02:47.560
<v Speaker 1>you get used to seeing footage of sea slugs and uh,

1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:50.120
<v Speaker 1>similar creatures and the way they move, but this would

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<v Speaker 1>have moved if I'm if I'm reading it correctly, more

1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:55.720
<v Speaker 1>more like a fish, more like an eel. So imagine

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<v Speaker 1>like an eagle slug, and that's what you have here, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's one more. I thought it would be good

1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:04.560
<v Speaker 1>to mention because it's got a slightly love crafty in face, right,

1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Leon Coylia the blind whip Hunter. Yes, it looks kind

1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:11.880
<v Speaker 1>of This one's kind of hard to explain really, but

1:03:12.360 --> 1:03:15.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, it looks shrimpy, looks a little flea like.

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<v Speaker 1>But imagine a blind monster that stumbles around in the murk,

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<v Speaker 1>just bull whipping everything is vicinity with flails and then

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<v Speaker 1>just really whipping the heck out of potential prey. So

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<v Speaker 1>whips coming out of its face. Yes, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we have with leon Colia. Now we assume it was

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<v Speaker 1>blind because we haven't found evidence of IY stalks yet,

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<v Speaker 1>which if in the thing, of course, is that given

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<v Speaker 1>these previous examples, it's entirely likely that that that could occur.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point a future fossil find will reveal, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they did have eye structures and they look like this,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the time being, the ideas that they were

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly blind. The creature here was about two inches long,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's usually classified as in as in our prode,

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<v Speaker 1>though sometimes it's thrown into the arachnomorph subgroups, which would

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<v Speaker 1>connect it, you know, more to scorpions and trilobytes. But

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<v Speaker 1>still it's a fascinating creature to try and imagine, especially

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<v Speaker 1>in this this changing time where eyesight is coming online

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<v Speaker 1>for various organisms and new new methods of exploiting other

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<v Speaker 1>organisms are becoming possible, and this one is just whipping

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<v Speaker 1>things with its face. I felt I can eat something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess that's going to have to conclude our

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<v Speaker 1>tour of the Cambrian monsters. But I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you, Robert, so clearly we have not exhausted all

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<v Speaker 1>of the fascinating questions about the Cambrian period and the

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<v Speaker 1>the emergence of biodiversity, animal biodiversity, especially in the Cambrian periods.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to ask you which of the Cambrian

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<v Speaker 1>explosion theories we've discussed today appeals to you the most.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously we haven't covered all of the possibilities. There are

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<v Speaker 1>other possible explanations out there. But what what? What What strikes

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<v Speaker 1>true to you? Like? What sounds right? Does it? Could

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<v Speaker 1>it have been cite as the thing that triggered all

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<v Speaker 1>of this biodiversity, or the innovation of predation and carnivary,

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<v Speaker 1>or the chemistry for biomineralization, or is it just this

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<v Speaker 1>sampling bias where you know, maybe that there isn't as

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<v Speaker 1>much bio innovation in this period as it seems just

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<v Speaker 1>from the fossil record. I mean, I guess I could

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<v Speaker 1>play it safe and say a little bit of all

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<v Speaker 1>of those, But but I guess I tend to buy

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<v Speaker 1>more into the predation and and cite arguments, with some

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<v Speaker 1>support by by by some of the additional arguments. But

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<v Speaker 1>but those are the two that I guess I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like they have the most meat for me. But then again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a I'm not a scientist, you know, specializing

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<v Speaker 1>in this time period, but but those are the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that I feel like are the most Maybe it's just

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<v Speaker 1>calling to the five year old in me. The it's

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<v Speaker 1>the it's the explanation and involves creatures warring with each

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<v Speaker 1>other and battling each other and there for that's the

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<v Speaker 1>one that I can imagine. Yeah, it's hard to resist now,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I've I think I read at some point

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<v Speaker 1>that one of the arguments against the site hypothesis is

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<v Speaker 1>just that site doesn't generally matter in the water and

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the deep water, as much as it does

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<v Speaker 1>on land. And not that it doesn't matter at all,

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<v Speaker 1>it does, but that you know, things like smell and

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<v Speaker 1>hearing and stuff like that are more useful in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I don't know, I'm not sure which I'm

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<v Speaker 1>most convinced by. The predation one seems very interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>me that if animals weren't really capitalizing on getting their

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<v Speaker 1>energy from other more large sized animals before and suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>they started doing that, that that could be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a game changer. It's also kind of an original sin

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<v Speaker 1>type scenario too. It feels very mythic, right, like that

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<v Speaker 1>that the first creature to figure out that it can

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<v Speaker 1>it can prey on its fellow organisms. And how does

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<v Speaker 1>that occur? Like obviously it's it's not just a situation

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<v Speaker 1>of one day, uh this this creature just takes a

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<v Speaker 1>bite out of another one, Like it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a more gradual process and uh, you know, and and

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<v Speaker 1>likely begins with some sort of gray area of competition

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<v Speaker 1>for food, like for instance, a creature it becomes adept

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<v Speaker 1>at stealing food from either maybe stealing food from its mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happens if you steal food from another creature's belly? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean that that is the difficulty of

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<v Speaker 1>this hypothesis is you have to imagine what's the process

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<v Speaker 1>that gets you there by gradual evolutionary change, Even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's geologically rapid, it still would have been gradual in

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<v Speaker 1>biological terms. Um, trying to you know, go from an

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<v Speaker 1>organism organisms that are all basically vegetarian to some organisms

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<v Speaker 1>eating other animals. Yeah yeah, Like another example that comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mind is, of course animals that will consume their

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<v Speaker 1>own young or their own eggs. We've talked about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the parental cannibalism. To sort of reabsorb essentially lost energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and how that could seemingly be an avenue into the

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<v Speaker 1>into interpredation, because if you're absorbing your own biomatter back

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<v Speaker 1>into yourself, then it becomes less of elite to absorb

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<v Speaker 1>the biomatter of another. I can also see a scavenging

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<v Speaker 1>to predation route that maybe, uh, the the gradual changes

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<v Speaker 1>that allow you to better and better extracts nutrition from

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<v Speaker 1>dead animals that you find on the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 1>ocean could eventually become useful in killing live animals right right.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you could just always do it and an angel

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<v Speaker 1>told you not to until a snake suggested otherwise, just

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<v Speaker 1>another possibility that could be it. Well, Robert, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get the feeling that we're done with the

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<v Speaker 1>Cambrian period. I think we may come back here in

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<v Speaker 1>the future to explore some other scientific issues and when

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<v Speaker 1>there may be other things to discuss with the burdge

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<v Speaker 1>of shale as well. Yeah, and and in general, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to do some more episodes in the future regarding

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<v Speaker 1>prehistoric creatures. I feel like this is something we come

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<v Speaker 1>back to time and time again. Well, I at least

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<v Speaker 1>on what a bi monthly uh, kind of pattern, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess so, I mean it's it's the seven year old

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<v Speaker 1>in me. I've I've never gotten over how much I

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<v Speaker 1>love dinosaurs and other weird organisms that don't exist today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's part of my love for monsters, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>part of what keeps bringing me back to paleontology. All right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll leave it at that, but in the meantime, definitely

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