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Speaker 1: Well, hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw

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Speaker 1: What You Did.

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Speaker 2: My name is Millie B. Jericho.

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Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Henderson, and we're here to talk about films

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Speaker 1: again every week, White Clockwork.

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Speaker 2: For the rest of your life or the rest of ours.

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Speaker 1: We have to talk about this because I just started

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Speaker 1: watching a new TV show, and you know how that is.

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Speaker 2: When do you start watching a new TV show, it's

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Speaker 2: all you want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: So I got recommended that show The Crown from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: From the beginning, Oh, my friend Scott.

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Speaker 1: He says, oh, you'll love the Crowd because it's basically

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Speaker 1: like sitting in a warm bath high and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh god, that sounds fucking perfect.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, cool, I'll start.

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Speaker 1: And first of all, I gotta tell you lots of

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Speaker 1: confusing Netflix. There's this show called The Queen's Gambit. I

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Speaker 1: was like, what, I thought that was the show. Then

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Speaker 1: there was a show called The Vow. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what that's about, So I was very confused by, like

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Speaker 1: what show I was actually going to watch?

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Speaker 3: The vast thing is that you threw the Vow in there,

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Speaker 3: which is like, could not be more.

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Speaker 2: The Royal family.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I think vow. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what that. That show's about marketings.

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Speaker 2: It's about people who are branded and like in a

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Speaker 2: sex cult. Eh, pardon me, I didn't realize that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: is that what?

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Speaker 3: God?

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Speaker 1: My coworkers were talking about that the other day they

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Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, this show and I was like,

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Speaker 1: the British show.

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Speaker 3: I thought, You're like, yeah, Claire Foy really is so

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Speaker 3: convincing as the Queen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, I know that you're a big

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Speaker 1: fan of British television, British culture.

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Speaker 2: My best friend on April was a.

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Speaker 1: Life long Anglo file and she actually lives there now.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of that thing where like everyone I

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Speaker 1: Stay to Britpop.

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Speaker 2: Everyone I know loves British stuff. Let's just say that completely.

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Speaker 3: And for me, it started with TV like The Young

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Speaker 3: because that's how it used to be kids, back when

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Speaker 3: And so I really started falling in love with British

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my sister and I were obsessed with the Young

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Speaker 1: and they played on Comedy Central too, And I got

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Speaker 1: them because it was all the it's very like political

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what this means, so but I pretended.

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Speaker 1: And so the thing about the crown, so I don't

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Speaker 1: know anything about royalty, I just don't. Obviously in America,

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Speaker 2: But I certainly didn't.

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Speaker 1: I actually thought the Queen was the government until I

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Speaker 2: It was like not when.

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Speaker 1: We were kids, like it was when we were grown

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I have to learned that in high

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Speaker 2: Like that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Honestly, I'm so bad when it comes to government

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Speaker 1: history staff. However, the Crown is like so fascinating simply

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Speaker 3: It's only been on if. There's like four seasons and

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Speaker 1: It's telling the story of Queen Elizabeth, kind of like

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Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out how old she was. Twenties.

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Speaker 3: the characters that play the royal family and the ongoing characters,

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Speaker 3: they're going to age them with actors instead of keeping

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Speaker 3: that's not how we do things over here. Because this

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Speaker 3: to go ten episodes for six seasons, that is unheard of.

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Speaker 2: For some shows, it's like a marathon.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I can totally understand how some actors were like,

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Speaker 3: the Queen is played by one actress in the first

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Speaker 3: third season, you get Olivia Coleman my personal fave. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So right, So I just finished the second season, so

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's how I how uneducated I am about

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Speaker 3: But that stuff throws me for a loop too, because

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Speaker 3: of When you're the Duke of Cambridge and you've got

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Speaker 2: It's not You're not just one thing and you get

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, because according to well, you're going

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Speaker 3: reluctantly dubbed the Prince of Wales.

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Speaker 1: I'm confused by everything, but I'm trying my best. So

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Speaker 2: I started again. Every episode takes four hours.

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Speaker 1: It really does feel like you're in the house, like

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Speaker 2: Like not everything has to be crazy, although there are.

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Speaker 1: I would say there are a lot of like crazy

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Speaker 3: I mean, Prince Philip is definitely looking like the cripkeeper

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so today are they like watching this show going?

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Speaker 3: I did not like I've read a couple of articles

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Speaker 3: think Camilla Parker Bowle said she was going to watch

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Speaker 2: And it's a really fine line.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a bold choice to do a show

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Speaker 1: And I mean, and it's so funny too, because I

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Speaker 2: So, but it's interesting to me because it is. So

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Speaker 2: it's like stuff.

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Speaker 1: That I don't know about, stuff that seems co crazy

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Speaker 3: Oh and also, we have to approve of or pick

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, when it comes down to it, I'm

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Speaker 1: extremely lucky to have grown up with like, really tolerant

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Speaker 2: I get it, but for some reason, this show.

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Speaker 1: It's terrifying because I'm like, I have this feeling of

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, and she's just in these like carpeted

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Speaker 1: Yeah, are we gonna get like a bunch of dms

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Speaker 3: This planet is protected? Do you know who I am?

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Speaker 2: I just I love him.

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Speaker 3: I think he was He was charming, and he was funny,

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Speaker 3: The impossible astronaut like he just does he did it

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Speaker 1: Like when you said that he was charming, like I

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is so this is so girly of me,

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Speaker 3: because he's he's one of the doctors.

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Speaker 2: I mean that doctor if you ask.

440
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Speaker 1: Me, well, it's so funny that like so people have opinions.

441
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: I guess, like about strong opinions. That sounds like about

442
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 1: who the best doctor is. But like what in your

443
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: mind makes a good doctor, Like it's just somebody who

444
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: has chops or what.

445
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: Like I love saying that word he got.

446
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 3: The chops For me, it's it's like a guile a

447
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: guilelessness or how do I say? I guess it's like

448
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 3: a because some of the situations they're in are so

449
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 3: absurd and fun, and you have to be able to

450
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 3: play that fun absurdity while also remaining a smart, motivated alien.

451
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 2: You know, you kind of have to. There's so much,

452
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 2: so much balance. It has to happened.

453
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 3: There's an episode that genuinely takes place in space on

454
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 3: the back of a whale, Like you have to be

455
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 3: able to play that. And that's like a planet now,

456
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 3: like that's one of the planets. So like you have

457
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 3: to be able to play that absurdity enough that it

458
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 3: doesn't become cartoon. And that to me is a good

459
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: doctor and I think.

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00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: That I don't have.

461
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 3: And that's the other thing There's it's not that any

462
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 3: one doctor is objectively bad. It's just very easy to

463
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: feel an affinity for one and have a favorite because

464
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: of kind of what they bring to the story for you.

465
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 3: So for me, he brought this this level of humor

466
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 3: and really self deprecating humor, and he was just cute

467
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: and funny, and I like, I appreciate that in my doctors.

468
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 3: Here is something that you will also appreciate. Matt Smith

469
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: was in the original West End production of American Psycho,

470
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 3: the play the musical, and he sings like he it's

471
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,479
Speaker 3: his voice on the soundtrack. Because the one in New

472
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: York was shut down pretty quickly. I have my theories

473
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: about that. I think it's because the main actor who

474
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: who played Patrick Bateman was married to Meryl Streep's daughter,

475
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: and I think he cheated on her. And I'm pretty

476
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: sure Meryl Streup had that show shut down. Don't quote

477
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: me on that, yes, but I think she because that

478
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: show was shut the fuck down, and like duncan Ch

479
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: did the music like it.

480
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: Should have been a much bigger deal than it was.

481
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: Meryl shut that down.

482
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: Lit'ten talk about royalty. Yeah, the Queen has spoken, Okay,

483
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: we got our own American royalty, and she shuts down. Please,

484
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: she will end your musical run if you fuck with

485
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Speaker 1: her daughters.

486
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: So I think that.

487
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 3: But Matt Smith has a great voice, and he is

488
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 3: on the American Psycho soundtrack and it is a great soundtrack.

489
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 3: And I wish I had seen him in the show

490
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: because as Patrick Bateman, he's like half naked in the

491
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 3: whole thing, Like he's wearing underwear and jumping around in blood,

492
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: and that would have been very exciting to see.

493
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you can't see my face right now.

494
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: But I'm like going into a coma.

495
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 1: She's slipping away, folks, I need must smelling salts.

496
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: Well.

497
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: I again like, I'm a it's crazy because I started

498
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: the third season of the Crown and now I'm like,

499
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: oh no more, Matt Smith.

500
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: Huh, Tobias has his own thing going on.

501
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: But he Matt Smith, Yeah, maybe I feel like you

502
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: do about the new Doctor, about the new Prince Philip.

503
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know about this fucking Prince Philip. Now,

504
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: this new Jack.

505
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Prince Philip in real life is like

506
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: a racist piece of shit.

507
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 2: It's like for a nazis a terrible life, and so

508
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: it's really easy.

509
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: It's hard to get there with Matt Smith to see

510
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: that terrible myth, but it's real easy to get there

511
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 3: with Tobias Menzy's and be like, oh, yeah, you're a

512
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: piece of shit. Great acting, great acting, but like, yeah,

513
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 3: it's becoming more evident.

514
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: Maybe that is Matt Smith's skill, is that he's able

515
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: to play horrible men and make people attracted to him.

516
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if he can make all of us want

517
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: to have sex with Charles Manson and Prince Philip, then

518
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: maybe he's got some Just saying sir, I don't know you,

519
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: but uh, that is your skill.

520
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: For the rest of your life. I can't reade. Oh god.

521
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 3: This week's theme, which trusts me, will be a recurring theme,

522
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: is classic movie fuck boys.

523
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: So what does that mean to us? Millie?

524
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 3: I actually have an Urban Dictionary definition. Please do, please do,

525
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 3: because I feel like, you know, we want to make

526
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: sure that we're approaching this in the same way.

527
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: We want to be scholarly, because we both went to

528
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: grad school.

529
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: But the Urban Dictionary defines fuck boy as an asshole

530
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: boy who is strictly into sexual relationships.

531
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: He will lead a girl on and let her down, and.

532
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: Then apologize, only to ask for picks once the girl

533
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 3: has welcomed him back into her trust. And here's a

534
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: part of the definition that I think truly applies. Boys

535
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: like this will pretend to genuinely care about the girl,

536
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 3: but always fail to prove the supposed affection. And that's

537
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: really where these movies that we've picked live.

538
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: This week.

539
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 3: For my choice of a classic movie, fuck Boy, we

540
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: watched Reality Bites. I'm going to change, No, don't change,

541
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: and don't go thinking for yourself either.

542
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: Lady, Hey, what is your glitch? Huh my glitch?

543
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: Reality Bites nineteen ninety four came out in nineteen ninety four,

544
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: And just to place it a little bit in our

545
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: personal history, I was sixteen when this movie came out,

546
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: sixteen about to be seventeen, senior year of high school

547
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: because I started school a little bit early, guys, so

548
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: I was graduated when I was six. Nineteen ninety four

549
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: was looking back retroactively, a highly selfish and horrible time.

550
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: Culturally, Oh, I thought you meant for just you and I.

551
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: It does too that as well, just the culture in general, Yes.

552
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 2: Yes, mostly the culture.

553
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: Because one thing that really me watching this again, and

554
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: I haven't seen this movie in years. It used to

555
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 3: be one of those things where I'd watch it whenever

556
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: it came on TV. And at sixteen, when this movie

557
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 3: came out, I thought, like, this is saying something about

558
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: the world I'm about to be entering, like being an adult,

559
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: I'm about to go to college. You know, this is it.

560
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: And as a forty three year old, I want to

561
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 3: I wanted to push everyone off the edge of the

562
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 3: building before the credits were even done. I cannot believe.

563
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: And the thing that really struck me is that this

564
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: is a very white movie. Oh no, shit, like this

565
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: is a white experience when Renoda riders. So basically, this

566
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: is a movie about twenty somethings who have just graduated

567
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: college and have they're aimless, they have no idea what

568
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: they're going to do with their lives, and they're all

569
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: trying to do different things. They've been friends to college,

570
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: a couple of them live together. Manona Rider plays le

571
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 3: le Lelena, Jenny Garoffalo plays Vicky. Steve's on plays and

572
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 3: then we have Ethan Hawk playing our fuck boy Troy,

573
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm just I have four pages of

574
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: notes about like I could not stop writing when I

575
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: was watching this movie.

576
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me ask you for the record, what

577
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: were your thoughts on Ethan Hawk in ninety four?

578
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts about him then? In ninety four?

579
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: I thought this is my ideal dude, And that explains

580
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: so much about the fact that again I am forty

581
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: three divorced and have been single for five years, because

582
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: that's where my picker went from. Like that was how

583
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: I was groomed into romance. Was this motherfucker?

584
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

585
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: I thought he was just the sensitive music and he

586
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: had Oh he was so smart and he's so philosophical,

587
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: and like, let me tell you, I have sense fucked

588
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: that guy.

589
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: You don't even want to talk to that guy at

590
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: a gas station, let alone let him in your body

591
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: see growth though and age. Because I'm the same way.

592
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: I was kind of hipped to the fuck Boenus in

593
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: the Troy Dyer character even back then, but I was

594
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: so obsessed with the romance of it that I was

595
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: basically like, oh, Okay, well he's an asshole, but it's

596
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: fine because he has a redemptive arc and like they're

597
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be together, and like, who else is she

598
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: gonna be with the corporate shit bag guy or whatever, Like,

599
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: she's gotta be with this guy because they're both alternative, you.

600
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: Know, like they've both got the haircuts man, right, And

601
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 3: that is one of the great fallacies of this movie

602
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: is that there's this forced dichotomy where the movie veers

603
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: towards are you gonna go with your sensitive alternative guy

604
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: or you're gonna go with the corporate ben Stiller guy.

605
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: And guess what, they both suck. They both suck.

606
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 3: They they both suck that the horrible choice, horrible choices abound.

607
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I mean, honestly, she should have literally just

608
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: formed a thrupple with the cee Steve's character and Vicki

609
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: and just bought a house together and did it like

610
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: Golden Girls style, because honestly, both of these choices suck, like.

611
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: They are horrible.

612
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: And guess what, Vicky, in my mind, became a corporate

613
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: entity at the Gap. She worked her way up the ladder.

614
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: She retired by the time she was forty, and she's

615
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: going to take you on lavish vacations and just keep

616
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: having one night stands and doing her thing.

617
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Vicky is so the woman that I

618
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: worked for when I was in high school in college

619
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: who was like the lifelong employee, but she was like

620
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: either goth or rockabilly or seventies obsessed in Vicky's case,

621
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: so she was always like a you know, an alternate queen.

622
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: And then she literally sat at the job her entire life.

623
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: Like when you would go back to the restaurant that

624
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: you worked at like twenty years ago, she's still there,

625
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's VICKI I mean, for better or

626
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: for worse. I mean, like, I you know, you love

627
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: working for that woman to a certain degree, and then

628
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: you're like, oh.

629
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: But she's still there, like twenty years okay. Cool.

630
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: The cool thing is, though, if she seems like the

631
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: only one who's enjoying her damn life. And here and

632
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: here's the real thing as we as we get into

633
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: this this film, so we've got Lenona Ryder is the

634
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: main character, and she's this you know, love confused type

635
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: of alternate girl perfect who is trying to you know,

636
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: she was everyone's romantic ideal in the nineties, I feel like,

637
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: and she just play that part to a tea. But

638
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: she's trying to decide between these two terrible men and

639
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: Troy here's here's here's the hubris of this movie for me.

640
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the hubris of this movie.

641
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: While she's trying to figure herself out, she's making a

642
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: documentary about herself and her friends at the age of

643
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: twenty one, which is such a bold move to think

644
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: anyone gives a shit like.

645
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: And how very Lena Dunham of her to have done.

646
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: That, right, very progressively Lena Dunham for her to do that.

647
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: But it was like that alone was irked me this

648
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: time around. It never irked me before, but now it

649
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: irks me. But I think what's really unbelievable is that

650
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: Troy from the jump has a terrible attitude from the beginning.

651
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: He's a kind of guy who makes mean jokes about

652
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 3: you to your face. He does that Tellaney all the time,

653
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: and he is He's cruel His language is cruelty, and

654
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: that is somehow misconstrued as romance, and that bothers the

655
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: shit out of me.

656
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: He has nowhere to live.

657
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: He moves into their apartment because he's been fired for

658
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: the twelfth time, which he wears like a badge of pride,

659
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: and he's completely he has the nerve to call bullshit

660
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: on these women and their lives and what they're doing

661
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: when he's so aimless himself.

662
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: Well, and the thing that I think is so interesting

663
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: and so like he's a fuck boy because a he

664
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: coasts on his sort of like charm.

665
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: And greasiness to get things right.

666
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: So that's a fuck boy move, right, somebody that's like

667
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: weaponizing handsomeness.

668
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: Or charm or something, right, Yes.

669
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I think is so

670
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: crazy is that he literally tells her what he is, like,

671
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna run away, I'm gonna say things

672
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: you don't want to hear, like that whole speech that

673
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, he says to her, like I'm gonna hurt

674
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: your feelings, I'm gonna treat you like a piece of shit,

675
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 1: but I'm the only real thing you've got. And I'm

676
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: like that would have been conversation ender goodbye, Like do

677
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: you would have? He wouldn't have not even don't even

678
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 1: come and get your milk crate full of shit. It'll

679
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: be outside. We don't fuck with you anymore, Troy. Like

680
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: he said it, He said exactly how he was gonna be.

681
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 3: So at that point he has proved it from the beginning,

682
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 3: and that I actually wrote that speech down because he

683
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: says I might do mean things, and I may hurt you,

684
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 3: and I may run away, but I'm the realest thing

685
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: you have. All four of those things are red flags

686
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 3: major if any motherfucker rocks up to you and it's like,

687
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 3: guess what, I'm gonna hurt you. I'm gonna run away.

688
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: Just leave, Just leave, save yourself. And this is really

689
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: like a very I don't know it, just it Really

690
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: What hit me watching it this time around is that

691
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: I was kind of thinking about the things that I

692
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: wish I told myself at that age, or that I

693
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: was thinking about my younger self a lot and giving

694
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: my younger self a lot of unsolicited adviting. But the

695
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: main thing is you don't want to end up with,

696
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: or even entertain for a second, the guy who says like,

697
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: I'm too cool to date you, and I'm like, I'm

698
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 3: gonna hurt you.

699
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: But you want to end.

700
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: Up with the guy who dances with you to my

701
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: Sharona in the gas station, not the guy who's at

702
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: the counter brooding and looking sad and like he doesn't

703
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: know you.

704
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And a guy that's going to go and get

705
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: your HIV results with you, that kind of shit, Like

706
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: he's to me, I'm like, Troy is not the guy.

707
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: Truly shocking to me how different I feel about this

708
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: movie on this side of my life because this.

709
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: Movie was like it for me.

710
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 3: This is like really just in the scheme of the

711
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: classic movie fuck Boy. I feel like the reason that

712
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: I wanted us to watch this is that he he

713
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: really stands out to me as the kind of guy who.

714
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: People make excuses for to this day.

715
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 3: And let me tell you a little bit something about

716
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: Troy the fuck boy in twenty twenty, who this guy

717
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: ends up being twenty twenty.

718
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: Troy is mean.

719
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: He is resentful of everyone around him for any success

720
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: they have in their life, and he makes excuses for

721
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: his own inadequacy till the day he fucking dies. Instead

722
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: of doing anything to make his life better, he will

723
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: make excuses for his inadequacy. And while he's doing that,

724
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: he's ruining women's lives left and right. I see ye,

725
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 3: freight train of misery through women's life.

726
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to be like, you know, I

727
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: was trying to think of women. Yeah, modern context was like,

728
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: would he be like a libertarian because he has smug

729
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: in his own intelligence, which I'm like, that feels like

730
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: a libertarian guy thing. But then I'm like, maybe he'd

731
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: just be like a really bad burnie bro. But it's

732
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: that thing where I'm like, you know, he is clearly smart,

733
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: and he's clearly like, you know, figured out that like

734
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: maybe the capitalistic society that I am a part of

735
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: doesn't work for me. But I feel like he just

736
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: really is bad, Like he just has a bad attitude.

737
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: I feel like he has bad Uh. You know. His

738
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: whole thing about Lelena is that.

739
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: He he basically to me, was like negging her, and

740
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: in the moment he got she got a boyfriend, he

741
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: was like, all right, now I have to like.

742
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: Wedge between them. And the whole.

743
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: Speech where he was like, she breaks my heart again

744
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 3: and again, and I'm like, where this come from.

745
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: You've done nothing but yell at her. The whole movie.

746
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 1: Ninety four to me was like, oh my god, it's

747
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: so romantic and like to this era of me, this

748
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: current iteration of me is like, man, they should have

749
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: gotten Jodn Baker and Smoozy Kurts like much more in

750
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: this movie.

751
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: They should have bigger roles.

752
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying thinking about like like John Mahoney's hilarious.

753
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: I can't believe I want I'm like looking at all

754
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: the character actors.

755
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, and Mirror's in this movie, like, oh,

756
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: this is awesome, Like Keith David is in this movie.

757
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: Like I'm going, I don't want to talk about Troy.

758
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: I don't want, you know, like Dan needed to like.

759
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 2: Really cut his you know, his whole like shtick out.

760
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: I get it completely.

761
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: They we're crazy, like the nineties were wild, Like this

762
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: is what counted for us as thoughtful, intelligent, soulful dudes,

763
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 3: and it ruined so many But again, like just just

764
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 3: to give some unsolicited advice, because when I watch movies

765
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: with fuck boys and them, it's the first thing that

766
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: I go to is like, what's the unsolicited advice for

767
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: myself and others? And it is basically, run away from

768
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: this dude. Don't make excuses for him. It's better to

769
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: be single than to deal with that guy.

770
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's I think the messaging.

771
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: Enjoy your life, enjoy your friends, like he is not

772
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 3: the ticket to anything but misery. And I feel like,

773
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: if if these two stayed together, I feel like Troy

774
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: would be like, they've probably had a kid, and now

775
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: Troy's like the dad of an Instagram influencer.

776
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: But he's always like in the videos.

777
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: Too much, and he's like try to manage the kids

778
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: too much. He's like a real Joe Simpson type to me.

779
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: And oh yeah, Laney probably has a T shirt that

780
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 3: says is it one o'clock?

781
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: They would have moved to Austin. He would have basically

782
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: tried to sneak into as many south By Southwest parties

783
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: as possible, even in his forties, and it would have

784
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: been a rap.

785
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: Like it's just sort of like that guy, you know, I.

786
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: Mean in the early two thousands. I just feel like

787
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: he is a classic movie fuck boy for our generation.

788
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: And I watch a lot of people who are much

789
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: younger than us getting into this movie and thinking it's great.

790
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 3: And I'm like, look, the soundtrack is the jam World

791
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: Party and me five me and like I am about

792
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: that soundtrack.

793
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: I even fuck with that U two song on the soundtrack,

794
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 2: like that's a good one.

795
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: It's a good one. But everyone else throw them off

796
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: the building. Because this is the other thing about this movie.

797
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 3: The privilege is astounding. The privilege is astounding. If someone

798
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 3: gave me a used car and a gas card, now

799
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 3: I would be so thankful.

800
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the entire year. That's a long time, or.

801
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: The entire year. And then she has the nerve. She

802
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: gets fired from her job for acting like a petulant shithead,

803
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: and then has the nerve to turn down two jobs

804
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: so she could use her gas card and make cash

805
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: for her phone bill.

806
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: What are you doing like?

807
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: Turn down the working at the gap and turned down

808
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: her boyfriend wanting to buy her documentary.

809
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, honestly, like the best part of this

810
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: movie for me, besides the character actor miss of this

811
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: film is the fact that everyone in this movie is

812
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes.

813
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: And I miss that shit, oh god.

814
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: The indoor smoking and the diners and the yeah that

815
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 3: was the time.

816
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: Everyone's smoking, Like Troy is smoking in the hospital, yeah,

817
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: undering no smoking sign. Yeah, And I'm just like gotta

818
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: love it. I gotta love the nineties. That is that

819
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: diner seed where Vicky and her go and talk about

820
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, like her her HIV tests and the Melrose

821
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: plays Choker conversation and even when she gets the phone

822
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: call and is like, yeah, that to me was one

823
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: of the most endearing parts of that movie. For me,

824
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's when I realize, trim the fuck boys

825
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: stuff out and just make it about these two and

826
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: I want to see what they do and.

827
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: I want to be in their lives, you know what

828
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 2: I mean.

829
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: Exactly, like to watch these women try to navigate this

830
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: world on the heels of like second wave feminism and

831
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: you know, just like, let's get into this story. And

832
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 3: that HIV storyline was kind of as real as it

833
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: could have gotten because that was always a big.

834
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: Deal between between the steves On character coming out to

835
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: his mom and like the AIDS test thing.

836
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 2: I mean, that's like not that's.

837
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: Our childhood basically, at least for me, it was just

838
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: like everybody I knew was like this was on their minds.

839
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: And then the interesting thing too, besides the smoking and

840
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: was that like it It reminds me about how the

841
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: nineties were just a different time culturally in the sense

842
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: that selling out was like the worst crime you could commit,

843
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: Like exactly selling your your documentary to like fake MTV,

844
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: which seems like probably be like the Vice Channel or

845
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: something now, was the.

846
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 2: Worst thing you could do.

847
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: It was such a such a time capsule then, so

848
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: many ways.

849
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: I loved it. I loved I love going back in time.

850
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 3: But I'm really upset by the fuckery in this movie

851
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: and how there was no real romance for me when

852
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 3: they got together at the end, I just threw my

853
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: remote control across the room, even though I knew it

854
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: was coming. I was like, I don't want this. Yeah,

855
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: who stay alone, hang out with your friends. Your life

856
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: will be fine. Wait for someone by Troy. Don't settle

857
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 3: for the fuck boy of Troy.

858
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: My contribution to the conversation about classic movie fuck boys

859
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: is a movie from nineteen seventy three entitled The Way

860
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: We Were directed by Sidney Pollock, starring Barbra Streisand and

861
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: Robert Redford.

862
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: Not if we were old would have survived all this

863
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: and everything would be uncomplicated and easy like it was

864
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: when we were young, Katie, it was never uncomplicated. There's

865
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: so much to get into about this movie.

866
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 3: I feel like I had never seen this movie before.

867
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't know if I can forgive you

868
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 3: for making me watch it.

869
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: We have a lot of sorry, you're gonna have to

870
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: watch it as like a like a Some of these

871
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: movies will be like a sociological experiment for you know

872
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: completely Well, I will ask what.

873
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: You didn't like about it later.

874
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: But so so, the Way We Were is essentially about

875
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: Barbara streisand plays a woman in college who is like

876
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: a Marxist. She's very politically active and she's you know,

877
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: kind of the weird girl in her college.

878
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: She's like the loud mouth quote unquote. You know.

879
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: Hubble Gardner, who's played by Robert Rudford, is like the

880
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: hot guyder college. He's like blonde wasp, uh not Jewish wasp,

881
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: big thing, and he's.

882
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: Running like the screen or jogging. He's a runner.

883
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: He's a rower, which that's when you know you're a

884
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: fucking wasp on the rowing team. And you know, it's

885
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: the kind of thing where like she's you know, trying

886
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: to engage her fellow classmates in like the politics of

887
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: the time, which have something to do with the Spanish

888
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: Civil War, and she's you know staging sort of like

889
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: sit in protests and rallies, and she's handing out flyers

890
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: and she's running around with her little like ducky friend. Yeah.

891
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: She's the president of the Young Communists, which I think

892
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: is incredible and has like pictures of fucking Stalin in

893
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: her dorm.

894
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, she just doesn't scream glamour, I guess. But she's

895
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: adorable and you just know from the beginning that she's

896
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: a spitfire, and of course you know that's kind of

897
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: the vibe. But then you know, Hubble is like the

898
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: guy from the other side of the tracks, and he

899
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: hangs out with like pretty much like a whole white

900
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: rich crew and he and he's kind of comfortable with that.

901
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: He's just sort of like a guy that wants to

902
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't want to rock the boat. He's

903
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: very much comfortable with being like the easy breezy dude

904
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: on the boat. You know, he's probably like having a

905
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: few cocktails after dinner all the time, and he's just

906
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: joking around. He's got no room in his life for

907
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: serious stuff like politics and whatever. He doesn't know anything

908
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: about like the other the world that's outside of America.

909
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 3: There's some point where she asks him do you smile

910
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: all the time? And out loud in my apartment by myself,

911
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: I said, of course he does. He doesn't have to

912
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: take anything seriously.

913
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, completely, the you know, but the story is

914
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: ultimately about these two people from two different worlds. But

915
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: he has this hidden depth, I guess is what I'll

916
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: call it, which I don't think he actually does have depth.

917
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: I think that he wants depth. So what happens is

918
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: is Katie h played by Barbara.

919
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: Streisand Katie sees that in him after apparently they're in

920
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: a creative writing class together and like the teacher is

921
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: like they have to turn it in assignments, and the

922
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: teachers like, oh my god, hubble Gardner wrote this incredible

923
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: short story. I'm going to read it from the class,

924
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, you see Barber turn around

925
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: me and like, really it is a hot guy knows

926
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: how to write, you know. And it's that thing where

927
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: you're like, don't let that fool you. Like, just because

928
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: he wrote a good story, that don't mean shit girl.

929
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: So at some point I think he is trying to

930
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: engage with her because I think that he wants her.

931
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 3: Depth but can't have part of it. This is part

932
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: of his whole, like striving to have some kind of

933
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 3: emotional maturity or some kind of maturity that he doesn't

934
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: naturally exude.

935
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he wants the but he wants what

936
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: she has, but wants to take the easy way, which

937
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: is that he's like, I'm just going to connect myself

938
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: to like a smarter person and then just kind of

939
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: hang out and just soak up all their energy. And

940
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: then she's going to mistake that for love and we're

941
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: going to.

942
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: Get into a fucking mess. And that's what the movie's about.

943
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: And the mess begins later.

944
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: The main fallacy of this movie to me is that

945
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: it really sets up that false dichotomy of opposites attract, right.

946
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: I don't think opposites attract. I think opposites ignore the

947
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 3: hell out of each other. Can probably have some rock

948
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: and sex, and they need to get away from each other.

949
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because to me.

950
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So just to give just a little brief history

951
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: about the production, I mean, the movie was written by

952
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: Arthur Lawrence and he wrote it and he basically wanted

953
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: the movie to be about Katie and that Hubble was

954
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: supposed to just be kind of like somebody, like some

955
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: sort of sidekick that comes in and out, but it

956
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: was mostly about her and her politics and like because

957
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: he knew a Katie when he was at Cornell in

958
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: the thirties, Like, he knew a girl like that and

959
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: who was inspiring to him, and he wanted to write

960
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: a movie about her. So the thing about it is

961
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: that when he wrote the story he wanted it was

962
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: supposed to be about her, you know, as you can imagine,

963
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: it got jumbled by Sidney Paul and other people, probably

964
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, studio people, stuff to make it more of

965
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: a love story. So that and that also that is like, oh,

966
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 1: we have Robert Redford. We need equity between these two characters.

967
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: We can't just have him be like some hot boy

968
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: you know that comes in for five minutes. I think

969
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: that that kind of tells the tale a little bit

970
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: about how weird the plot kind of moves, especially at

971
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: the end. But that also just that impossible thing of like, well,

972
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: of course, these two people fall in love even though

973
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: they have like literally nothing in common and like hate

974
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: each other's vibe, you.

975
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: Know, like even though they have abject and open contempt

976
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 3: for each other.

977
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: Well, and this is the thing, Oh, this is the thing,

978
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: because I gotta tell you, I've watched this movie one

979
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: hundred million times, and I because I just have.

980
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: Did I tell you that I like Romance? I just

981
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: I just have.

982
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: And I like Barber streisand I mean honestly like and

983
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: then you know, there is the seventies Redford thing, which

984
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: we will get into, and we're going to get into it,

985
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: the allure of seventies Robert Redford. But I always end

986
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: up so fucking pissed off because of course I'm sitting

987
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: here going like she there's a moment where I think

988
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: to myself, I don't think he actually loves her. I

989
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: don't think he actually wants to be with her. I

990
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: think he wants to be in her orbit because it

991
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: makes him feel like a legit person.

992
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: Like he wishes he could be a writer.

993
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: He wishes that he had like opinions and better friends

994
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: and like passion.

995
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: But he's just a.

996
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: Dumb dumb and he's like essentially like, well, because I'm

997
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: a guy, I mean, if I just you know, hang

998
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: out with her enough, and you know I'm in town,

999
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: you know, as a military guy, I need a place

1000
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: to stay, so I might as well just like have

1001
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: her cook me steaks, which I'm like, bitch, do not go.

1002
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,959
Speaker 2: Get steaks for this dude. Talk about his top three

1003
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: fuck boy moments in this movie. Let's see if you

1004
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: agree with me.

1005
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: Number one being they go home after she meets him

1006
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: on that barstool. They go home together to her place,

1007
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: and she does that thing that I can't stand when

1008
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 3: this happens in movies, when people are like rushing around

1009
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 3: and cleaning up so the guy can come up or

1010
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 3: the girl can come up. And I'm like, how about

1011
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: either I'm disgusting and you're gonna deal with it, or

1012
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: I'm clean. And here it is like, let's stop the

1013
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: rushing around the apartment for the drunk sailor.

1014
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I ain't gonna lie.

1015
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: I do.

1016
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: I do take a liceole wipe and do a little.

1017
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: Wipe of the bathroom because you know whatever, not that

1018
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: I'm like a disgusting pick, but I'm just like, just

1019
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: in case there's some like thing on.

1020
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 2: There that I don't want anyone to know about.

1021
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: She is rushing around this apartment cleaning up for him,

1022
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: and I think, fuck boy. Moment number one is he

1023
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 3: comes up the steps immediately looks like he's gonna puke,

1024
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: because those fifth floor walk ups in.

1025
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 2: New York are no joke.

1026
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 3: He goes to puke and she's like rushing around cleaning.

1027
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 3: By the time she turns around, he's not only out

1028
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: of the bathroom, he is fully taken off all of

1029
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 3: his clothes and gotten into her bed. Then she gets

1030
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: she creeps around her own apartment, which, no, she's creeping

1031
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: around her own house and like trying not to wake

1032
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: him up, and I'm like, he's drunk, turn on the light,

1033
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 3: get your clothes. She takes her clothes off, gets in

1034
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: bed with him, and then he basically falls asleep on

1035
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: top of her while she's crying and they're having sex.

1036
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, my goodness, gracious, that scene to me

1037
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: is probably one of.

1038
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: The hardest to watch just for me personally. And I

1039
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: know it is effective because I've seen it written about,

1040
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: but like, to me, I just feel like she just

1041
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: she was so desperate to like be in his life,

1042
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: not just then in that moment, but about the entire movie.

1043
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 2: And I get it. She's a political person.

1044
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: She believes in causes, she doesn't give up a fight.

1045
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: That's the kind of theme that goes throughout the movie

1046
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: is that she doesn't give up on anything, including this guy.

1047
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: Who sucks ass.

1048
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: And that what's so painful for me to watch in

1049
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: this scene is that she doesn't know how cool and

1050
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: powerful she is throughout this movie. I don't get the

1051
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: feeling that she knows how great she is, even though

1052
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 3: she's abjectly the best person on the screen and the

1053
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 3: best person in this story.

1054
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, And and to me, I think that

1055
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: he knows, like he knows that shit, He knows that

1056
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 2: shit advantage of it.

1057
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 3: Yes, he doesn't prop it up and he doesn't try

1058
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: to make her realize it and kind of like be

1059
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 3: part of the crew and be additive to her life.

1060
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: He just like sucks it all away from her.

1061
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: He listen, he makes fun of her for being who

1062
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: she is at every moment, whereas all she does is

1063
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: give him a boner because she's talking about his writing,

1064
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: because that's on it. That's the only thing that he

1065
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: cares about from her, in my mind, is that he's like,

1066
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: she's speaking positively about my writing. And that's why I'm

1067
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: here in the moment. That doesn't work for me anymore.

1068
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm gone, and I'm like, how many women do I

1069
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: know that have been in that situation? Women and men

1070
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: or whoever is like, oh, I just sit here and

1071
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: I just like stroke a person's ego and they don't

1072
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: want And maybe I think I'm in a romantic relationship,

1073
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: but really that's all I do.

1074
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: I'm like a muse for some dude.

1075
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no, Well, and that brings me

1076
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 3: to fuck boy point number two. She buys him a typewriter,

1077
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 3: and then they spend the whole night, supposedly a romantic night,

1078
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 3: talking about his writing and what she likes about his writing.

1079
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 3: After she buys him a typewriter, and I don't even

1080
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: think he says thank you.

1081
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: He's just like, what do you think about my writing? Ooh?

1082
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: God, See this is why I hurt. This is why

1083
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: my chest hurts every time I talk about this movie.

1084
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: Because I'm sitting here going, Katie, don't you buy him

1085
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: those steaks with the last of your ration stamps?

1086
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: Please?

1087
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: God, don't do that. Buy him no typewriter? Like seriously, girl,

1088
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: like get it together, because I'm sitting here going like,

1089
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: you give everything for him, and you keep telling him

1090
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: that you would change for him. Meanwhile, he doesn't even

1091
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: give you anything, Like he's not even like when you're

1092
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: like out there like protesting for people's fucking welfare, He's

1093
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: just like, God, you're just like such a such a

1094
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: fucking noisy woman, like you have too many weird opinions.

1095
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: And then he's yeah, and the thing that really pisses

1096
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: me off, or now that I'm going like as if

1097
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: I haven't been pissed off this entire time.

1098
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: We've been talking about this to me.

1099
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: He the way he acts about, well, why can't you

1100
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: just hang out with my friends? What's your problem? Why

1101
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: do you have to be such a you know, a

1102
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: hard ass bitch. And I'm like, your friends are assholes.

1103
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: Okay, it's they worse. They are rich assholes, rich white

1104
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 2: assholes who continue to be rich white assholes even after

1105
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 2: the fact. And they made fun of her to her

1106
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 2: face in college and now you're like, what's the problem,

1107
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, and.

1108
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 3: They keep making fun of her, They keep making fun

1109
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: of her for her ideals throughout and he doesn't step

1110
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 3: in and stop it. Instead, he says, why are you

1111
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: being mean to my friends? Not my friends are dicks,

1112
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: and I love you, and you know, maybe they should

1113
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 3: shouldn't say this shit.

1114
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay her his friends are making racist jokes and

1115
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: making fun of Eleanor Roosevelt, which, by the way, don't

1116
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: make fun.

1117
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: Of Eleanor fucking the fuck off with that, honestly, don't.

1118
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: But like, at the same time, I'm like, you know,

1119
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: the whole problem is that he wants her to change,

1120
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: and she's like, I love everything about you the way

1121
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: that you are, and I just hate that shit's so bad.

1122
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: He's like, you know what I love about you? That

1123
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 2: you love me? Yeah.

1124
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 3: It's his whole emo period. Fuck boy emo, I love

1125
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 3: that you love me?

1126
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. And this meanwhile, this is a dude who wrote

1127
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: a book called A Country Made of ice Cream That's

1128
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: not eating. Get into that shit. That's a whole other podcast.

1129
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: This bitch I.

1130
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: Could not believe his whole writing career as a writer.

1131
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: I can. I was kicking the floor.

1132
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 3: He So they get into this relationship and eventually they

1133
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: move to LA and live in Malibu because he's hired

1134
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 3: to be a screenwriter and his book's going to be

1135
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 3: turned into a movie, and they're.

1136
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: Living this La life.

1137
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: The only thing I wrote about their whole experience in

1138
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: La which digs a little bit into the you know,

1139
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: macarthyism and that whole era, The only thing I wrote

1140
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 3: is that I'm so mad at myself for thinking that

1141
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 3: Robert Redford is this hot playing in a full pair

1142
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 3: of jeans, playing.

1143
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: Volleyball on the beach. I was livid with myself. He

1144
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: was before this Robert Redford pre Sun Damage could get it.

1145
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: And I'm mad at myself because I've had my own

1146
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 3: fuck boy periods and I know that would at one

1147
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 3: point won me over.

1148
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: Listen.

1149
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: I speaking as a person who was I was always

1150
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: like when I was in high school, who high school,

1151
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: college and in twenties maybe who wouldn't have liked like

1152
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: a waspy, hot, rich white guy with like the swoopy

1153
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: hair and like he knows how to play tennis and

1154
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, always wearing like a real tight

1155
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: sweater and I'm just sort of like, yeah, okay, I

1156
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: get it.

1157
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: And Katie is spraud.

1158
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 3: She is you know, and just and I know he

1159
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 3: predates Brad Pitt, but I got a brad Pit vibe

1160
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: from him, just that like gum chewing, like what's.

1161
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: The big deal kind of vibe.

1162
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, motherfucker, I yea that I like you.

1163
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: You know. It's like Robert Redford was always one of

1164
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: those like real laconic, hot seventies actors. I mean, it's

1165
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: kind of like when I first saw him, it was

1166
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: in Butch Cassidy and Sun Dance Kid, and I was like, oh,

1167
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: now you got the two motherfuckers I love in the

1168
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: same movie act in the same way like real, look real.

1169
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 2: Like yeah, this is how it goes, Like that's that's

1170
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: the vibe. And he did it in this movie.

1171
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, his seventies Robert Redford, it is

1172
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: it's just a treble crush of mine.

1173
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I really like, oh my god.

1174
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, to me, and I think

1175
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: that that's kind of perfect because I mean, he later

1176
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: did The Great Gatsby, and it's like a perfect setup

1177
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: for that movie where he again would play like a rich,

1178
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, wealthy.

1179
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: White dude, and you know, to me, I get it.

1180
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: It's about class, it's about you know, identity, and about

1181
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: also about creative collaboration, but like conflating with romance, and

1182
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: I think that's I think the hardest part for me

1183
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: on her behalf is that she wants the romance and

1184
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: I think he wants a creative partnership with her and

1185
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: is kind of, you know, maybe a nefariously confusing that.

1186
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: And so ultimately it's it's crazy to me that at

1187
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: the end of this movie he's like, all right, we're

1188
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: good because I'm out, even though you have my kid

1189
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:09,479
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna pay for the kid.

1190
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go marry the white Brady.

1191
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 3: Me to fuck boy point number three, my final fuck

1192
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: boy moment with Robert Redford. In this movie, she gets pregnant.

1193
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: They're not married or anything, which is already taboo enough

1194
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 3: for the time. Right, she gets pregnant, he cheats on

1195
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 3: her with the college asshole lady that he used to date, well,

1196
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 3: who's now married to his best friend, I know, double

1197
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 3: asshole huh So cheats on her while she's pregnant.

1198
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: They clearly separate. She moves back to New York.

1199
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 3: Last shot of the movie, and again we're not giving

1200
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 3: spoiler alerts.

1201
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 2: This thing is from like nineteen seventy four, and it's

1202
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: been parodied so many times that it ain't.

1203
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 3: Completely Yeah, but they get She sees him in New York,

1204
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 3: runs over with the same thingenthusiasm she's always had. It

1205
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: takes him a solid five minutes to even ask about

1206
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 3: their goddamn child. It's still all about him. She's in

1207
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 3: a different state, she's remarried. He doesn't even give a

1208
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 3: shit about their kid.

1209
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: And let me just tell you, like, I did a

1210
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: real deep study of the facial expressions that were going

1211
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: on during this part. So when I first saw this movie,

1212
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, it's so fraught between them.

1213
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: It was the way we were. It is that thing

1214
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh.

1215
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: There's are two people who used to have a love

1216
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: and now it's over, and like they couldn't be in

1217
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: each other's lives anymore because that was the past and

1218
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: shit like that, and that they're both like experiencing like

1219
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: a loss, like a grief or something. No, first of all,

1220
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: I saw that movie two nights ago, a week ago,

1221
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: and then I saw it right. I saw that end

1222
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: part literally before we started recording, and I'm like, no,

1223
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: his face is like because she's basically like, you know,

1224
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: why don't you come up and have a drink sometime

1225
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: with me?

1226
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 2: And you know like bring your woman.

1227
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: Is lovely or whatever, the the woman is lovely. What

1228
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: the classic line is, bring your lady, she's lovely. And

1229
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: he's like, I can't do that. And at first I

1230
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: was like he can't do it because he's so emotionally

1231
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: like keyed up that he knows that he can go. No,

1232
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I can't do that because you get

1233
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: too crunk around me and I can't have that anymore.

1234
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, ooh, like that's.

1235
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 2: The fuck boy.

1236
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: The fuck boy is the one that's like, you know what,

1237
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: I come and go out of your life. And I

1238
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: know that the moment I walk back in, You're gonna

1239
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: be like on the floor begging to change. I'm like, no,

1240
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: you don't like Katie, Please, don't fall for this dude again.

1241
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: Don't think about him another day. Go and ban that

1242
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: bomb or whatever the thing you were about to you know,

1243
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: pass flyers off wark. But like this guy, I just

1244
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: I to me, I don't. I'm like, I'm not convinced

1245
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: that he ever loved her. And maybe that's me being

1246
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: cynical and bitter as a single forty two year old woman,

1247
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: but like, honestly, like I'm going, no, man, like he

1248
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: does it. He never loved her, and like you know,

1249
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: she just was given and given and given, and he

1250
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: was like I just want the attention and.

1251
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, from eting to end, top to bottom, he was

1252
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 3: never as invested as she was. Yeah, And that just

1253
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 3: the most crushing scene for me was when she was

1254
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 3: begging him to stay and saying I'll change, and I'm like,

1255
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 3: you should not change a thing. You're the best Katie.

1256
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 3: Katie's the best.

1257
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: It's this dude who sucks.

1258
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and honestly, like, let's get serious, Like, you know,

1259
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: I think a lot of women see themselves in Katie

1260
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: and are going like you are too great, Like you

1261
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,479
Speaker 1: have too much shine to let this dude steal it. Right,

1262
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: But it's almost like you have to say, gig, gotta

1263
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: get through the lessons. I guess you gotta like let

1264
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: this fizzle out. Even though I feel like that part

1265
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: of the movie was a little less convincing was the idea.

1266
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: I mean, she okay, he cheated on her when she

1267
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: was pregnant, that's a big deal. But I feel like

1268
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: there wasn't enough emotion.

1269
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: You went too.

1270
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: Fast, Yeah, I think they were just trying to hurry

1271
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: it up, and I just at that point I was like, Okay,

1272
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: maybe this could have been made better. But at the

1273
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: end of the day, Hubble Gardener as hot as Robert

1274
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: Redfer was in the seventies with that little little butt.

1275
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: I think omen mentioned he has a little butt, a

1276
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: little cute little but.

1277
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: Got a cute little booty.

1278
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: That's Laura and our producer, who has a lot to

1279
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: say about Robert Redford.

1280
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: The seventies two.

1281
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that, Like, even that part to

1282
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: me was like, I still can't Hubble is not a

1283
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: good dude.

1284
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: Not a good dude, not a good dude. And I

1285
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 2: agree with you.

1286
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 3: I think that one of the most infuriating parts of

1287
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 3: watching this movie is that by the time I got

1288
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 3: to the end, I felt like, you don't love her,

1289
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: You've never loved her, and she's still so eager to

1290
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 3: be in your life in any way possible, even though she's.

1291
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: Technically moved on. Yeah, she's still a puppy.

1292
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 3: Dog for you, And I just hate seeing that. It's

1293
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 3: so imbalanced and it's so unfair.

1294
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean it is like truly, like the great Wise

1295
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: Fergie once said, no, no, no, no, don't funk with

1296
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: my heart.

1297
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 3: Ah, don't with my heart. Oh wait yeah, I didn't

1298
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 3: want to say one thing. Okay, this is fuck boy

1299
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 3: point number four. She calls him post breakup impure emotional distress,

1300
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: and he comes over with sleeping pills. This is like

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Speaker 3: the epitome of a dude telling you to calm down.

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Speaker 2: But also like, though isn't it interesting?

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Speaker 1: To his best friend, JJ was like he just had

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Speaker 1: known this is the thing where he like, JJ was like, oh,

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01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: let me guess dealing with a psychotic woman in love

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01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: with you again? Well, I guess I know that song

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Speaker 1: and dance, let me get it. Those sleeping pills all

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Speaker 1: the ready, Like fuck these dudes.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm like, dudes, yeah, why don't you go back?

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Speaker 1: Why don't you go back on your boat and start

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Speaker 1: talking about what the best sandwich you ever had was?

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Speaker 1: Or whatever the fuck that running joke whatever, Like.

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Speaker 3: There were so many sailboat scenes that were so incongruous

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Speaker 3: with this film, Like why are they at a boat

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Speaker 3: right now?

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Speaker 2: That's what I always think. That's like rich white people activities.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm like, hmm, Like they are always on boats.

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Speaker 1: They're always doing some kind of rowing. There's always some

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Speaker 1: kind of running in tiny shorts.

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Speaker 2: We got the boat, we might as well row man. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that is all I want to say about that. Well

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Speaker 2: that's it, folks. That was our episode.

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Speaker 3: Another one, bites the dusk, done another one, but it's

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Speaker 3: the dust.

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Speaker 1: We're about to regenerate, so I guess we have to go. Danielle,

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if you would be so kind as

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Speaker 1: to tell the folks what the movies are for.

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Speaker 2: Next week. Yes, we will not forget this time. We'll

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Speaker 2: not forget ever again.

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Speaker 3: The movies or the movies for next week are The

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Speaker 3: Silent Partner nineteen seventy eight and Scrooged nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 3: So add them to your queue and try to guess

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Speaker 3: what the theme is.

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Speaker 1: There was a clearly obvious theme, but how how are

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Speaker 1: we going to talk about them?

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Speaker 2: To what extent?

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Speaker 1: How far down the whole of analysis will we go?

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Speaker 2: You'll just have to stay tuned.

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Speaker 3: And you can join us on our social media at

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Speaker 3: I saw pod and Twitter and Instagram, or you can

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01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 3: email us at I Saw What you did pop at

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Speaker 3: Gmail and.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess we'll see you next week.

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Speaker 3: Folks, have nice Matt Smith dreams, you know, I will.

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Speaker 3: This has been an exactly right production. Our producer is

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Speaker 3: Lauren Elizabeth Brown. Our engineers Annalise Nelson. Our social media

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01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 3: assistant is Taren Matza. Our theme songs by Tom bry Fogel,

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Speaker 3: artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstark,

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Speaker 3: Karen co Gareth and Danielle Kramer. You can follow us

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