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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two.

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Speaker 1: They were having six a Northeast Ohio teenager and a teacher,

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Speaker 1: the pair allegedly having sex for years. His son was

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Speaker 1: after a three year affair. You know what, last night

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Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is time stories and this is

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Speaker 1: a crime. Why do people keep calling it an affair?

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Speaker 1: You can't have an affair with a child. Joining me

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Speaker 1: right now from dailymail dot Com Chris Spargo, crack reporter.

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Speaker 1: Also with me renowned psychologist out of New York, Karen Stark.

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Speaker 1: Chris Spargo, first to you, Why does everybody call this

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Speaker 1: Chris Spargo, you're a young gent. Do you have children yet?

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Speaker 1: it's wrong? How does that happen? I think the way

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Speaker 1: it's gonna make her numb, and it's gonna make her

428
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: you fork kind of like on the edge of having

429
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: a really good laugh and a joke or a little

430
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: bit of you know, like a little bit of orgasm,

431
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: or really a good hot pizza in Chicago. It really

432
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: put well that doctor hold on a moment cocaine. It's

433
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: not like having a pizza. Okay, what the hey are

434
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: you saying? It's a really good pizza in Chicago. If

435
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: it were like having a pizza in Chicago, it wouldn't

436
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: be illegal. Okay, the whole city of Chicago would be

437
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: shut down. That's deep dish pizza territory. So you gotta

438
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: help me out here. If it's like having a pizza,

439
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: it would not be illegal. But the flood and the

440
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: rush in your head, it gives you a chill under

441
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: your your your throat, and and it gives you warmth

442
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: across your should holders and it makes her muscles relax,

443
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like being tickled with a twelve

444
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: volte car battery. So you're creeping me out just a

445
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: little bit. Okay. The thing is, you can't od on pizza,

446
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: all right, You can o D and die on cocaine.

447
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. So she still had point

448
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: five grams when they got in her bag, but she

449
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: had already snorted up. So in light of that, she

450
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 1: had already used up part of it. Where does that

451
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: land her? Well? Right, I think it makes her unreasonable

452
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: in her her opportunity to make thoughts and decisions. If

453
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: she had another point five grams, or if she had

454
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: a graham, she would be impaired and she shouldn't be driving.

455
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: So that m maroney. You do know the twins are

456
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: headed to middle school. Children got to middle school at

457
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: age eleven. And you want this crackhead in the carpool line.

458
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I mean you seem to be going easy on her. Well,

459
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: the only thing the first thing I want to do

460
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: is I want to get her out of the line,

461
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: And the second thing I want to do is get

462
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: her to rehab and get her help. She needs to

463
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: go to rehab. I mean, if she had had the

464
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: cocaine and several glass sine packets, that would suggest she

465
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: was trying to distribute her sell it. That's not what

466
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: they found. She is an addict. So if the state

467
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: can order rehab in lockdown, that would work. That would

468
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: work better than jail. Actually, when you go to jail

469
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: as opposed to rehab, what are your chances of reoffending?

470
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you at least do dry out in jail.

471
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: Here's what we have. We have a tremendous effort, especially

472
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: in the last two or three years, to grow drug

473
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: courts so people that get stuck in this position don't

474
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: just get locked up, but they're given a choice that

475
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: they go to jail and they get oriented, and then

476
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: we give them the chance to go to a clinic

477
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: that has a collaboration with the court system. Usually the

478
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: Supreme courts and the courts of every state have designated

479
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: counties with drug courts, and you're allowed to go. I

480
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: appreciate the whole thing about rehab, Dr Maroney, but for

481
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: snorting up in the car pool line, I think she

482
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: needs to at least do a year behind bars. Mmmmm

483
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: mmmmmm mmmmmm did that even sound remotely like here she

484
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: comes Miss America. Now. The last time that I actually

485
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: tried to sing it, when I would give Lucy a

486
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: bath at night and get her all dressed up in

487
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: her nice fresh claim pajamas and her pull ups and

488
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: do her hair. Every time she would come out into

489
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: the den, I would sing, here she comes to Miss America. Okay,

490
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: I haven't say that in a really long time, and

491
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: because she asked me to quit. But that's neither here

492
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: nor there. But long story short, Mrs America and Shop

493
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: NBC star host is facing five years in the can,

494
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: five years behind bars after she's busted for allegedly stealing

495
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: nearly six thousand dollars from Macy's and a price tag

496
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: switch scheme. What okay, Alan Deep, what happened? This lady

497
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: Jennifer klein Uh apparently has quite a closet full of clothes,

498
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: and so she would go to Macy's and she would

499
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: buy some expensive designer stuff, take it home, take the

500
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: tags off, and then put the new tags on her

501
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: old clothes, which maybe should have gone to goodwill anyway.

502
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 1: And she took him back to Macy's and say, I

503
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: just bought these from you see the tags, Now give

504
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: me a refund on my credit card. Uh. And I

505
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: don't know how long she's been doing it, but they

506
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: caught her finally. They caught her on two separate occasions,

507
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: returning what would have been on the price tag more

508
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: than five thousand dollars worth of close because the clerks

509
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: realized this is dirty, this is not new. And not

510
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: only that, but she had torn the actual brand names,

511
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: the designer names off of the clothes she was returning,

512
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: so they couldn't identify them. How did she think she

513
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: would get away? Okay, Karen start, Karen start joining me,

514
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: renowned psychologists out of New York. Karen, you know, I'm

515
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: unhappy for the um detectives, the in house detectives, the

516
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: cashiers that noticed that the tags were torn out. I mean,

517
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: if I try to return something, it's like wham bam,

518
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: thank you man, I'm in and out of target. Nobody

519
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: even looks at me. But here they took the time

520
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: to notice the tags had been removed, probably because they

521
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: had seen this woman on so many returns before, so

522
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: when she came in they probably looked at each other

523
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: and oh, here she comes. Here, it comes Miss America again.

524
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: With a return of some dirty and used clothing. I'm

525
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna hold that that's another can of worms.

526
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, Karen, you know, and

527
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, But Karen, you know her closet

528
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: is about as big as our den and is probably

529
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: lined with beautiful clothes. Why did she have to have

530
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: more clothes? And she's a host at Shop INNBC, so

531
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: she could probably get some kind of a discount on

532
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: everything they sell. Think about this, Nancy, how many times

533
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: do we hear about stories like this in the news?

534
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: Best Myerson comes to mind, and Winona Ryder when she

535
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: was going into sacks and cutting off the tags and

536
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: stealing the clothes with all that money. So it has

537
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the reality of what she actually

538
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: has in this situation. It's much more about psychologically speaking, deprivation.

539
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: Karen Stark, if you try to tell me she has

540
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: a psychotic break, I will reach through this microphone and

541
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: reach out, and I don't know what I'm gonna do,

542
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: Maybe twist your ear. I'm not sure what she was doing,

543
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: but had no impulse control to stop it. And in

544
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: these cases, it's much more about having a psychological condition

545
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: of being of depression or anxiety and having experienced some

546
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: kind of a loss or feeling of deprivation and a

547
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: need to steal to make up for that loss when

548
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: she doesn't have deprivation. Aren't Harris, She's not America. For

549
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: Pete's sake. You said deprivation. I heard you, but not

550
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: What we're Karen is saying is that her closet was

551
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: full of closed, but her heart was empty and needed something. Okay,

552
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: can you cut his mind right now? You know? But

553
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: that her closet was full, but her heart was empty.

554
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: Why is she any different, Art Harris, than some teen girls? Not?

555
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: Let's just throw in a teen girl minority. I don't

556
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: believe your aunt Harris that marches into Macy's and stuffs

557
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff in her backpack so she can

558
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: wear it to high school the next day and she's busted.

559
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: How is she any different? And you two are talking

560
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: about her heart is empty? What right? You better get

561
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: a hold of yourself year old mother of two? And

562
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: she returned the wrong items after which makes it worse too,

563
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: connivingly cut off the designer labeled and switched them out

564
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: and returned dirty close. That is, you know, if it

565
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: would be sad if it wasn't last. But it's a crime,

566
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: and she's now be in charge of fraud and faces, aren't.

567
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: You're the one that said her closet is full, but

568
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: her heart is empty. Now when I call you on

569
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: your b S, yeah I said it, b S. You

570
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: suddenly are now taking your your back peddling. You're swimming

571
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: backwards as fast as you can. That's not like you.

572
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: What you don't want to be part of bringing down

573
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: Mrs America for someone who obviously it should be a

574
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: walking symbol of what is doing the right thing. And

575
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: this is yeah, this is, you know, a tragedy. And

576
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: we don't know what is going on internally with this woman,

577
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: but it is a crime. And can I ask you

578
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: a question? Why are you you two? You know what?

579
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Joe Scott Morgan, Not that I

580
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: need a death scene investigator on this one, but Joe

581
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: Scott um, why are we so worried about what? Not me,

582
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. But why are Karen Stark

583
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: and Aunt Harris an Emmy Award winning reporter, I might add,

584
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: why are they so worried about her feelings? She is

585
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: a thief. Let me tell you this. Uh, her heart

586
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: might be empty, but let me tell you whose briefcase

587
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: is full. The briefcase of the d A that's prosecuting

588
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: this case. They're gonna have all kinds of evidence in

589
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: this case. Can I tell you something? Hold on, You're

590
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna love this. She reportedly had hundreds hundreds of tags

591
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: and equipment to change the tags. And I guess what

592
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: they mean by that is the equipment that you put

593
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: those little plastic chords onto that you have to bite

594
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: off your children's clothes because you can't find the scissors.

595
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: Or is that just me? Those things? She had all

596
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: the equipment, I guess she got it from Shop NBC

597
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: to put on the fake tags. Please, but it is conscious.

598
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: We we understand that she knew what she was doing.

599
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: My question was to Joe Scott Morgan, and my question

600
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: was why as Carrick start renowned psychologists from New York

601
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: and Aunt Harris Emmy Award winning reporters so worried about

602
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: what's going on in her brain? It's to me, it

603
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: makes it worse that she's a mother of two. I

604
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: can't speak to to caring our art state of mina

605
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, But I can't can't. I can't say. I

606
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: can't say that what we have here, what we have

607
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: here is definitely a pattern of behavior. This is something

608
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: that the d A is gonna is gonna present because

609
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: she has she has put forth in her mind. She's

610
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: established this pattern simply by her the evidence that she

611
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: that was found in her possession and this pattern of

612
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: activity that she this is something she's practiced at and

613
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: that she set forth to do this, and she's entering

614
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: into some kind of criminal enterprise here, and Lord only

615
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: knows how long she's been doing it. Um, Yeah, I

616
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, you know, I don't know

617
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: if she was you know, neglected as a child or

618
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: whatever the case. Yeah, she she has that. That's not

619
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna matter when she gets into court, though, that's not

620
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: gonna We've done a lot of research and a lot

621
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: of field work on this, and I'm proud to say

622
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: that Alan do the Deep joining us from Hollywood right now,

623
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: has done extensive research on Macy's return policy. And why

624
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: is that important? Because Macy has this incredibly lenient and

625
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: generous return policy, and the defense in this case of

626
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: Mrs America. Here she comes is blaming Macy's. They're saying

627
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: Macy's is the bad guy. Alan did the Klein's defense

628
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: lawyer has said that, yes, she made a dumb mistake,

629
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: but it was Macy's fault for having that easy return policy.

630
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: But here's the news. Since this happened, Macy's Worldwide has

631
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: changed their policy. It used to be could get something

632
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: and return at any time in the future. I could

633
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: return that old polyester suit my mom got me in

634
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two if that policy was still in place.

635
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: But now they require all returns in one year. One year,

636
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: so you can't do that anymore. So they change their

637
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: policy all because of this woman. That's well. They The

638
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: main thing is it's estimated that retailers, because of these

639
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: kind of policies, lose about nine to sixteen billion dollars

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Speaker 1: a year. Nine that's billion with a Macy's has been

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Speaker 1: shutting down hundreds of stores around the country because they're

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Speaker 1: losing money, and that is one of the reasons. So

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Speaker 1: this is a pageant winner. Mrs America Mrs Minnesota TV

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Speaker 1: host on the Shop NBC or Vine Live program, Karen starts,

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Speaker 1: since you're so concerned about her inner emptiness, I think

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Speaker 1: that's what you said. Can I ask you? Do you Karen?

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Speaker 1: And I I must admit I have been in Karen's

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Speaker 1: posh apartment in New York City more than once, and uh, Karen,

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Speaker 1: can I ask you a question? In your home? Do

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Speaker 1: you have like Mrs America, do you have a supply

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Speaker 1: of plastic tag holders and the equipment to attach price

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Speaker 1: tags to clothing? I think it's pretty ingenious that she

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Speaker 1: came up with that idea. I'm gonna take that as

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Speaker 1: a no that you don't have that at all. I

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Speaker 1: don't know I don't have that. And if I leave

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Speaker 1: a store and there's a tag that they forgot to

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Speaker 1: take off, I really have to bring it back because

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Speaker 1: you can't get those off. Do you know that for

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Speaker 1: a fact? Here? And have you tried to get him

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Speaker 1: off without the buzzer going off? Because every time John,

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Speaker 1: Dave and Lucy and I leave Target, the buzzer goes

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Speaker 1: off and we have to turn around and go have

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Speaker 1: them fix it. There's always one of those things left

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Speaker 1: on whatever I buy when try to leave. But this

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Speaker 1: woman had beat that. She had beaten that with her

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Speaker 1: plan because she had legitimately buy the clothes and they

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Speaker 1: were from what I correct me if I'm wrong, Art

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Speaker 1: Harris and Alan Deep. But two items equaled five thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars plus. So she's buying really excusing stuff. Yeah really,

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Speaker 1: I mean the people like the dresses you wore on

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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, Nancy, They're not cheap. Now she goes.

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Speaker 1: And not only that, but police found twenty four other

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Speaker 1: items in a search of her home that she supposedly returned.

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Speaker 1: So this was an ongoing criminal enterprise. Who knows if

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Speaker 1: they're gonna expand it to Rico, but at least she doesn't.

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Speaker 1: She's not printing money and has the Treasury Department on

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Speaker 1: her for counterfeiting. So so this is a way to

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Speaker 1: get make money without the onus and onerous uh threat

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Speaker 1: of more serious prosecution. Fortunately, so you know, ingenious, devious

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Speaker 1: uh and and a client. Well she may be used

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Speaker 1: to designer clothes, but it's orange jumpsuits from here on out,

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Speaker 1: Mrs America. Orange is the new black, Nancy. Well there

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Speaker 1: you heard it. Orange is the new black. Okay, thanks

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Speaker 1: Aren't Harris for that groundbreaking information? Nancy Gray's crime Stories,

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,