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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number today.

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Speaker 1: In the show, we're joined by professional dog trainer Jeremy

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Speaker 1: you find sheds and wounded deer. Enjoy all right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Wired to Hunt podcast, and

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Speaker 1: today Dan, myself and our guests are talking dogs. Yes, dogs,

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Speaker 1: but not just any dogs. These are dogs that can

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Speaker 1: help deer hunters. And our guest today, Jeremy Moore, is

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Speaker 1: an expert on this topic because he is a dog

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Speaker 1: trainer and founder of dog Bone, which is a company

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Speaker 1: that creates products to help you train your own dog

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Speaker 1: to find shed antlers or track wounded game. And hoping

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Speaker 1: that today Jeremy can share with us some tips for

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Speaker 1: training our own dogs, whether it is to find sheds

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Speaker 1: or wounded game, and that also give us some tips

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Speaker 1: So that all said, though, before we get into the

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Speaker 1: nitty gritty today, Dan, what's going on over there in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: It's still cold, um, still snow on the ground, so

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Speaker 1: I haven't been shed hunting too much. UM My wife

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Speaker 1: is still super pregnant and good and she's thirty She's

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Speaker 1: Turkey season is when our boys gonna be born. Other

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Speaker 1: than that, um, you know, preparing for the western hunts

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Speaker 1: had a good conversation before we started recording about that

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Speaker 1: and UM. Other than that, you know, just just live

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Speaker 1: in life. Hey, that doesn't sound too bad. I got,

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Speaker 1: I got something for you. I got I got a

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Speaker 1: question for you. All right, So you made a pope

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Speaker 1: comment online. I think it was Facebook something about, um,

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Speaker 1: if you review the podcast, I don't know if it

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Speaker 1: was a podcast or the or the Wired to Hunt blog,

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Speaker 1: that you were going to send out a hat to uh,

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Speaker 1: like a hat with a new Wired to Hunt logo

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Speaker 1: on it. Yeah. Yeah, that was at the end of

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Speaker 1: last week's podcast we announced that. Yep. So my question

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Speaker 1: to you is, first off, I thought we were friends,

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Speaker 1: and I thought that maybe your co host would maybe

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Speaker 1: But you haven't, can you No, can you explain yourself?

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Speaker 1: You know, I gotta keep it under reps. We gotta

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Speaker 1: keep it secret. I here right though. There's a bunch

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Speaker 1: of new things coming out that I don't think you

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Speaker 1: have seen totally yet. But I want to keep the drama.

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Speaker 1: I want you to. I want you to have that

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Speaker 1: same exciting experience as the rest of our listeners and

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Speaker 1: uh readers and whatnot. But you don't need to wait

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Speaker 1: much longer. Not much longer, Dan, Okay, I mean all

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Speaker 1: I'm asking for his hat. Mark. You'll you'll get a hat,

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Speaker 1: You'll get ahead, okay, yeah, yeah, but the first hat

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Speaker 1: goes to a podcast listener, not a podcast host. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I see how that should work. Hopefully like it. Hopefully.

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Speaker 1: I've I've seen the logo. I've seen the logo and

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Speaker 1: that's pretty that's pretty bad ass. But the I haven't

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Speaker 1: love hats. Yeah, yeah, the hats. The hats are cool.

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Speaker 1: They're different, the logos different, the whole new sites different.

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Speaker 1: We're taking things, you know, taking it to the next level.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you sure that we represent the next generation

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Speaker 1: since we are you know, deer hunting for the next generation.

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Speaker 1: That's been our our kind of mission since the beginning

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Speaker 1: of weird Hunt back five six years ago, so we

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Speaker 1: want our new look to reflect that. So, um knock

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Speaker 1: on wood. If everything goes well this Friday, the new

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Speaker 1: be delayed, but it'll be coming soon. So if you're listening,

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Speaker 1: make sure you check out wird hunt dot com soon

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Speaker 1: to see the new look, the new logo, the new hats.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have shirts available to um so some very

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Speaker 1: cool stuff, so we'll have more more details on that

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Speaker 1: soon once everything launches. But Dan, don't worry. You will

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Speaker 1: get a hat and his shirts very shirt too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you a shirt. Oh buddy, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: for the brand, exactly. These are the biggest nerds in

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Speaker 1: be an Abercrombie and Fitch model. Why did you? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I literally got someone post a comment again on Facebook

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Speaker 1: So I think Dan, you and me, we're gonna be busy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the sophomore album is always the hardest, That's true. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to, No, absolutely not. So today Dan, we're

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Speaker 1: we're talking about dogs. You don't have a dog that

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Speaker 1: let's no more. And Taylor, let's get let's get let's

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Speaker 1: on the show is Jeremy Moore. Welcome to show. Jeremy, Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having us guys. Yeah, we're Me and Dan

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Speaker 1: I thought, what in the world, So here she had

429
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: jabbed herself. Well her, that was her first introduction to

430
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: an antler. She didn't like it, and so I thought,

431
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: so I didn't realize what I had done there. But

432
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: it actually took me a really long time. I mean

433
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: we're talking months of building up her confidence again around

434
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: one of these antlers. She just she really thought this

435
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 1: thing bitter. She didn't want anything to do with it.

436
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: So if you've ever heard of a gun shy dog,

437
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 1: you know, dogs aren't born gunshy, but they can be

438
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: conditioned to be gunshi And we don't do it intentionally,

439
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: but if you introduce dogs to something in a negative

440
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,479
Speaker 1: way for the first time or relatively early in the

441
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: training process and it's negative, boy, they'll they'll shy ala

442
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: from it. That's how we get dogs to not do

443
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: certain things. We introduce it and it's got it's associated

444
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: with the negative. Well I had done that with this antler,

445
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: and so that's what. And I was a little dog

446
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: that I had named Finn, and she was just phenomenal.

447
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: She ended up being just a great dog. But Finn

448
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: is the reason dog Bone came about with the products,

449
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: and so I decided at that point, I said, there's

450
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: got to be a better way to do this. And

451
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: I really went back to my thought process of how

452
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: do I train these bird dogs and old dogs. We

453
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: don't start bird dogs out independent with the rooster. I

454
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: just don't. You're gonna have way too many problems. It's

455
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: just not gonna work. So we take steps to get

456
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: them to birds. I take steps to get my shed

457
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: dogs to sheds. So we came out with a training

458
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: dummy that's soft, it's relatively soft, it's flexible. It won't

459
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: I don't have the risk of a dog having that

460
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: negative introduction to the shape of an antler and to

461
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: the seal of an antler. So that I and it

462
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: was it was a prototype, man like I literally I

463
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: researched it out. And this is the cool part about

464
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: it was, you know, here's this whole construction worker and

465
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: all I'm all of a sudden trying to develop products

466
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: and making phone calls and working with a completely different world.

467
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: And I really wasn't quite used to it. So it

468
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: was the exciting part from a business development part. But

469
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: it was cool because once we had that dummy had

470
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: a chance to use it, and I got a chance

471
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Speaker 1: immediately to see how how it was. Actually the dogs

472
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: took to it, and it's it made my process a

473
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: whole lot easier. So some that we developed some you

474
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: know scents, and we you know, started thinking about, Okay,

475
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: I got this training, I mean, now how do I

476
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: make it smell like an antler? So it came up

477
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: with a way to create and simulate the smell of

478
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: an antler. So we did that, and then you know

479
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: that the next thing was I had to say, well,

480
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: you've got products, but you need to teach you to

481
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: be able to tell people how to do this and

482
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: why they should be doing certain steps. And so I

483
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: wrote a book on it and we put it. We

484
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: ended up developing over over kind of a period of

485
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: time of a year from start to finish. We basically

486
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: put developed the line initial line of dog Bone, and

487
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: then got into the idea of I got to test

488
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Speaker 1: this thing out. So we went to some consumer shows

489
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: and we set up a booth and we just showed

490
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Speaker 1: it to people. And it's so funny because you know,

491
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: I remember it like yesterday and going to this show

492
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: and nervous and never done like this before, and brought

493
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 1: a couple of dogs with and we set up at

494
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: this show and the reaction was it was kind of

495
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: motivating because I would say the vast majority of people

496
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: are walked by us. I had no idea what we

497
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: had there. I mean, they looked at it and they go,

498
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: what you're you're doing? What you're you're shed hunting. A

499
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't go what shed hunting on this period.

500
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: This wasn't that long ago. I mean this was we're

501
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: talking we're talking five or six years ago, and people

502
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: were like, you're gonna do what? You're gonna go look

503
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: for sheds? And so it was funny because at that

504
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: point there was a the folks. Once we had a

505
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: chance to talk to him and explain it to him,

506
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: they go, that's awesome, that's really cool. I do you

507
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: think I can do that with my Then all of

508
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: a sudden we get into these you know, nuts and

509
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: bold the conversation of applying it to a dog. But

510
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: so it was real eye opening to us, to me

511
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: at that point because I said, first off, I do

512
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: think there's an interest, and I think there's an opportunity

513
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: here to help people be able to do this. The

514
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: second thing that was real eye opening was we've got

515
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: a big hill decline because it's about awareness. Now we

516
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: have to we have to kind of create the awareness

517
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: not and and do some educating on our part prior

518
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: to being able to try to turn this thing into

519
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: a business. So that was that was got us into

520
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: that first kind of really year of actually trying to

521
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: take some product to market. That's a heck of a story,

522
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: quite a quite a journey. It sounds like you've been

523
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: on the past five or six years here. Yeah, to

524
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: get to this point totally, totally, and and that's the

525
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: that's the cool part about it that that's what's that's

526
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: what's fun is the idea of it was something that

527
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: was really really well. I was real passionate Aboullet and thought, gosh,

528
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: I just think it's a good idea and it's working

529
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: for me. And that was something that was really important

530
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: from day one with Dogbone was if we're gonna do stuff,

531
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring products. We have to bring products that

532
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: makes sense, and we have to bring products out network

533
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: we we are. Our philosophy is we just don't want

534
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: to put stuff on shelves. We want to put stuff

535
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: on shelves that is the best and works and and

536
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: is you know, going to be a solution for a

537
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: consumer sort of consumers issues or problems. So so all

538
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: that being said, you know, we I want to hear

539
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: more about specifically how you're recommending folks can can start

540
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: training a shed dog. And then we haven't even started

541
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: touching into the game tracking piece. But before that, before

542
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: we do all that, I think that there's probably a

543
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: lot of listeners and I'm wondering this too. UM, I've

544
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: got a couple of questions at a high level. Number One,

545
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: if I have a dog, can I train that dog

546
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: to do both of these things? Hunt sheds and track blood,

547
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: track deer, wounded deer? Is that possible? Absolutely? We do it.

548
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Speaker 1: We do it with I trained a limit. I trained

549
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: dogs every year for clients. UM. I trained my own

550
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: personal dogs and clients dogs. And right now and we've

551
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: seen this shift over the last three years. I would

552
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: say nine out of ten dogs and I'm gonna train

553
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: these days are doing both. And that's at a minimum

554
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: because because tracking and shed hunting are two different skill sets.

555
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: But there's there's a lot of similarities there as well.

556
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: And so when I say that is, what I mean

557
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: is we're gonna track with the same dog that we're

558
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: gonna hunt with. But a lot of these dogs that

559
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm training, and a lot of the dogs that are

560
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: out there are also going to be bird dogs and

561
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: gun dogs. You're gonna use them in the fall, the

562
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: bird hunt with, you're gonna use them. We're in a

563
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: duck blind, you're gonna use them. Flush and flush of pheasants.

564
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: I've got one right now that we're shed hunting with tracking.

565
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: We're doing upland and waterfall. Had some really nice little

566
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Speaker 1: duck shoots over her this last fall. She's about a

567
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: year and a half old right now. So this follows

568
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: her first fall in the woods. We shot some wood

569
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: ducks over here. We shot some dog over her. We

570
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: picked we picked sheds of their last spring already. We

571
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: tracked with her this fall. That same dog I'm using

572
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Speaker 1: as a we Actually there's a school here locally that

573
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Speaker 1: we take her in and we worked with kids that

574
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: have autivism and cognitive disabilities. And we're also starting in

575
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: on a project on a project right now working that

576
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: same dog, kind of a flagship dog here and we're

577
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Speaker 1: going to use her to kind of set up a

578
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: system or some type of a program where we're gonna

579
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Speaker 1: work with her as a service dog for PTSD soldiers.

580
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Speaker 1: So we are talking a lot of stuff with the

581
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Speaker 1: same dog. And part of the reason is I want

582
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Speaker 1: to show the versatility. I want to show that you

583
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Speaker 1: do not have to say I can't do more than

584
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Speaker 1: just one thing. That my dog. They are so capable

585
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Speaker 1: of doing more than one thing, and they can do

586
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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. So if somebody had already had

587
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Speaker 1: a pheasant or a duck dog, is there a way

588
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: that they can be trained on a basically an old

589
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: dog new tricks type of thing. Can can some five

590
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: year old dog be trained how to shed hunt and track? Dear? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And I call it cross training them because if you have,

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Speaker 1: especially if your dog is already trained as a gun

593
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: dog or bird dog, or you're doing some type of

594
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: hunting with it, skill sets are the skills are there

595
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: because they're already using their nose, they're already retrieving and

596
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: and so when when we start talking about the nuts

597
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: and bolts of our training process, that training dummy that

598
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: we that we sell right now, and it's it's part

599
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: of our kit, and we also offered individually that training

600
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: dummy is for what I talked about earlier about introducing

601
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: these young dogs in save positive fun way for a dog.

602
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: It's also built with the design in mind of my

603
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: older dogs I train. If you train bird dogs, you

604
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: use canvas bumpers, you use these training dummies, you use

605
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: a lot of tools for training your gun dogs and

606
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: your bird dogs. This material that we use in our

607
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: training dummy, that the hampler shape is very very similar

608
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 1: to that material that's used in most of the common

609
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: training dummies for the gun dogs and the bird dogs.

610
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: So the nice, the cool thing is is it's designed

611
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: to cross train your older dog in respects that it's

612
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: just a new shape of a familiar feel and for

613
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: field is really important to these dogs. Remember I talked

614
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: about my first old dog. It was the biggest struggle

615
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: I had with her was getting here to have these

616
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: hard things in your mouth and be okay with it. Well,

617
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: that's that's where this training dummy comes in with the

618
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: older dogs. So if you've got a gun dog and

619
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Speaker 1: you've got a dog that's older, absolutely I'm going to

620
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: tell you, even if it's not formally trained to the

621
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: gun dog, your bird dog, you still can do it.

622
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Speaker 1: Because if you can get a dog to retrieve, this

623
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Speaker 1: is the one thing that I think is easy to convince.

624
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: I think one thing, one problem that's out there is

625
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: the misconception that, gosh, this is a specialties. This is

626
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: such intricate. You don't have to be this special you know,

627
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: magic dog trainer to be able to train and find

628
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: these amplers. No. I like to simplify things and say,

629
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: can you get a dog you will pick a tennis

630
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: ball for you? Can you throw a tennis ball? Hey,

631
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: we dog chase and bring it back. Because I can

632
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: go to the park and I can watch everything from

633
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: two and three year old little kids who can barely

634
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: throw up to grandmas and grandpas of all spectrums of

635
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: different types of people, and they I'll go to a

636
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: dog park and watch and play retreat with tennis balls.

637
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: And it didn't take a special dog trainer to do that.

638
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: A lot of it was natural and the dog we

639
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: brought it out of them, or they brought it out

640
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: of them. If you can do that, you can train

641
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: your dog to find the damtlers. You can train your

642
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: dog to find the deer because we'll use that. We'll

643
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: use a similar approach to how you got that dogs

644
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: achieving that tennis ball for you. We're gonna make it

645
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: a game. We're gonna make it fun, and it's not

646
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: super formal, so you can do it, and and it's

647
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: not nearly it's nowhere near as hard as most people,

648
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: I think think it is. I think that's a I

649
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: think that's got to be pretty encouraging for a lot

650
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: of people listening to because I think to your point, Jeremy,

651
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: it does seem like something, especially like you know, from

652
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: my perspective before I got started with my own dog,

653
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: it definitely seemed like an intimidating thing. And I don't

654
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: I'm not a dog trainer at all, and I was like, man,

655
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: this is it's gonna be pretty slim pick chances of

656
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: this actually working out. But it's not, you know, not

657
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: that I have an amazing shed dog yet. But it's

658
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: something that I was able to learn from some of

659
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: the things that you've taught elsewhere to put together the

660
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: basics um before we before we dive into the shed

661
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: hunting peace, I've got one more general question for you.

662
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: If I'm a guy that doesn't have a dog yet.

663
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: But you've got me intrigued. I'm interested in, you know,

664
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: getting and training a deer dog to do these two things.

665
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: Is there a breed or a number of breeds that

666
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: are like my best option? Or could I you know,

667
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: can I just take you know, in Dan's case, he's

668
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: got a Maltese? Can he take that dog? And no?

669
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: Good question? And we get that. I hear that a lot,

670
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: and we see it a lot out there. Um And

671
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: I think part of it stems from you know, if

672
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: you if you ever watch our stuff and you see

673
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, whether it be social media or DVDs or

674
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: we're I'm using I'm almost always working with these little

675
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: English labs, these little British labs we bot. I get

676
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: them from a channel. There's a wild Rose Channels. They've

677
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: got an Oxford, Mississippi. I've bought dogs from them for

678
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 1: thirteen years, just a little over thirteen years. And I've

679
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: found a dog that fits really well with my training

680
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: style and the stuff we're gonna do with it. And

681
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: and so the people, I think a lot of people

682
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: assume I gotta get one of those, and I gotta

683
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: get a dog just like that. If this is what

684
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: I want to do with them. And the answer is

685
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: really really simple. You need a dog that fits your

686
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: style of training and fits what you're gonna do with it,

687
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: just like just like me. And that so that I've

688
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: found it is not and I can't say any clear

689
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: it is not breed specific. I know guys who do

690
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: this with Shepherd's beagles, spaniels, pointing dogs. Um, I've had

691
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: I've seen pitbulls and had people bring them to some

692
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: of our shows. I've we did. Uh. We use social

693
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: media as a tournament as a training resource, and so

694
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: we try to put some training tips on the and

695
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: share pictures and and and we we get we try

696
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: to get it interactive as we can with people that

697
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: have an interest in doing this. And one of the

698
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: questions that we won't pose it every once in a

699
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: while because I'm always curious and it always it kind

700
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: of it allows when I asked this question, I get

701
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: the answer, I know the response I'm going to get.

702
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm not asking it for myself. I'm asking it more

703
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: to show everyone else that you don't have to have

704
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: the dogs. We have to do this. So we asked,

705
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: you know what kind of breeds are you using with

706
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: our dog bone products and haven't sit best with. And

707
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: the last time we did it, we had over fifty

708
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: different breeds message back. So I've heard it. I've heard

709
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: just about all of them. I mean, obviously people will

710
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: catch me surprise once in a while with the breed.

711
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: But um, you know the other thing that I think

712
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: is really cool and we do. We've done training workshops

713
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: in the past, and one thing I think is awesome

714
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: and they have that. I've seen it multiple times now

715
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: where folks bring their dog to our training workshop. Well,

716
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: I've seen it where we always get into that, we

717
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: get into the nuts and bolts the dogs as the

718
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: day goes on, and I've had multiple dogs come to

719
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: our workshop that we're rescue dogs. They really don't know

720
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: exactly what freed they are. I mean, they've got they've

721
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: got naturally some natural retrieving them there. You know, there's

722
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: some type of retriever in them. You can tell kind

723
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: of by the look of them a little bit, but

724
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: they don't know exactly what breed there. And they were

725
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: literally were rescued from their shelf local shelter. And the

726
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: coolest that it's just awesome because I've seen some of

727
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: those dogs excel and they do really really well. So

728
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: it is not some to them that you know, our dogs,

729
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: the dogs I trained and the dogs they trained for

730
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: my clients, UM are are very very what I'm going

731
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: to say, from a genetic standpoint, very solid there there.

732
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's it's something that from a health standpoint,

733
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: and I think that's really important part of it, and

734
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: the performance standpoint, what what traits have been bred into them?

735
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: Those are things that I've found with these wild Rose

736
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: dogs and that's just just the preference, um But as

737
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: far as what you're looking for, I think you're looking

738
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: for a dog that has good natural game finding ability,

739
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: a good nose, and all dogs have good noses, some

740
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: have better than others. I think it helps to have

741
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: a dog with some type of natural retrieve. It's it's

742
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: one less thing you have to train the dog. I've

743
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: never trained one of these little retrievers to retrieve. They

744
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: do it naturally. We just have to bring it out

745
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: of them, and we have to teach a little bit

746
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: of a formal delivery to them. So we get dogs

747
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: that run straight out of straight back and all that.

748
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: That's just forming habits. But the actually retrieved part of

749
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: it is a lot of times genetic um. I think

750
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: health is a really important thing to look at when

751
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: you start thinking about do I want to go get

752
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: one of these dogs or am I going to go

753
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: get a pup to do this with? Because the reality

754
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: is that when you get a dog, you're getting a

755
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: family member. You're gonna have a dog that's gonna be

756
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: with you for a while, and so health is important

757
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: not only from a from your wallet standpoint, because boyd,

758
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: that's can get expensive, trust me, but also from the

759
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: standpoint of you you're gonna, like you said, it's your

760
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: family member. You're gonna have this little pup with you

761
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: for a long time, and I don't want to go

762
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: through anymore than I need to if I can help

763
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: it or avoid it. It's it's tough emotionally if you've

764
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: got pups that come in with issues as far as

765
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: from a genetic health standpoint, where you know you hear

766
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: about the dogs that have bad hips, you hear about

767
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: dogs that have certain diseases, a lot of them are

768
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: are are traced back genetically, and uh, it gets to

769
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: be hard. It gets hard to have to deal with

770
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: a dog and lose the dog. It's hard enough losing

771
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: the dog to old age. It's a real hard losing one,

772
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, when you know they're not old enough to

773
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: that point, and it's a lot like losing a kid,

774
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: you know. It's just if they are a part of

775
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: the family. Yeah. Yeah, I can't imagine with with our

776
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: own dogs. I'm not looking forward to, not looking forward

777
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: to whenever that does happen. That's yeah, that's gonna be tough.

778
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: So let's say we've got a dog. Now, well, let's

779
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: say it's puppy and we want to turn that dog.

780
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: Let's start first turn with a shed dog. How do

781
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: we start? What's the training as much as you can

782
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: share in a couple of minutes, you know, how does

783
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: how do we start with that training process? Three? Three steps? Okay,

784
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: here's here's what we'll give you the old cliptional version.

785
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I think. And this is where I

786
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: emphasize the idea of don't complicate this. This is not

787
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: something that needs to be I've had so many people

788
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: uh through seminars and um, but we do a lot

789
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: of them. We go around and we talk about the

790
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: training process, and we jam it into an hour and

791
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: we cover a whole lot of stuff. In an hour.

792
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: But when we do that, what really satisfying to me

793
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: is I hear a lot people will come up after

794
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: and go, I love that summer. It was really good.

795
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: And they go, I'm really happy you say that. You know,

796
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: obviously it makes you feel good to hear that, But

797
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: I'll ask him would you like about it? You know,

798
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: what did you What did you feel like was the

799
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: most important part. And so the thing that that that

800
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of helps to steer me to try to make

801
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: it better the next time. And the answer that we

802
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: get a lot of times is, and I hear it

803
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, is what I like

804
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: about it is the way it's kind of a simple

805
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: approach you're taking. You're not they Their thought coming into

806
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: it was I'm waiting, I'm gonna be overwhelmed. I'm gonna

807
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: be overwhelmed by the steps and the process, and you've

808
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: got to do all this different stuff to get these

809
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: dogs to to the end point. And he's and and

810
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: what I hear a lot is I like your approach

811
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: because it's relatively simple, and we we we try to

812
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: do that on purpose. So when we break it down,

813
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: I break it down into three main parts and there's

814
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: lots of little little parts in between, but there's a

815
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: couple of things that are important to understand. Dogs learn

816
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: by incremental training. So all we're gonna do when we

817
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: start training these dogs is we're gonna start imprinting things

818
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna build off of that. You can't

819
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: go with a dog. You can't go from A to Z.

820
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: You cannot speed train dogs. And I I dig in

821
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: my heels when it comes back because I hear a

822
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: lot of folks say, you know, home along, should this

823
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: be taking? How many weeks do I work on this? At?

824
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: What months do I do this? There is no set

825
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: there's no answer to that. You can't. I don't believe

826
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 1: that you can send a dog away for a three

827
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: month program and have a comeback at at this point

828
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: in training. But if you send it for six months,

829
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: it comes back at this train That's I don't buy

830
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: into that, because no two dogs developed the same way,

831
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: and our training process they kind of set the pace

832
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: of the trainee. So and there's certain things that dogs

833
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: will be able to do at certain ages and they

834
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: can't do it prior, whether it be physical or mental,

835
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: they just can't do it. So what we try to

836
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: do is okay. Three major steps of a shed dog.

837
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: The first thing is the shape of the ampler. We

838
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: have to have that dog understand that that shape is

839
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: going to get them a reward, to get them a

840
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: treat and get them the treats for my dogs are

841
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: rewards or retreats. That's the ultimately rewards. So shape this first,

842
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna add sent to it. Second, we gotta get

843
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: this dog. It's gonna use his eyes when we're gonna

844
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: start out with the eyes and it's gonna be visual.

845
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very easy. It's gonna be we're gonna

846
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: build off of that success. Then we're gonna start adding

847
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: some scent to it and start making it smell like

848
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: you said. And you know, the big thing is is

849
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: that we see as folks getting the rush and they go,

850
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I'll fill it for a couple of days and the

851
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: dog will bring it back to me and then I'll

852
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: hide it in a forty at your field and see

853
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: if you can find it. You just said your dog

854
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: up to sail, don't do it. Don't do it. So

855
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: gets but you're gonna eventually be able to hide that

856
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: for you can feel the dog will find it, but

857
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: we'll take these little baby steps in between. So shape first,

858
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: sent second, and eventually we're gonna get to the field

859
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: a hard antler. So when you look at it from that,

860
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: when you look at when you explain it to some

861
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: of that when they go, that makes sense, You know

862
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: that makes sense, And I think, I don't think that's

863
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 1: so intimidating. But now what I guys say is now

864
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: that process might take months, might take a year, might

865
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: take weeks, Totally depends on your dog. Totally depends on

866
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: where they are as far as they age. And the

867
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: first and foremost thing when it comes to train and

868
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: shed dog is this, it's it's the same whether it's

869
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: a shed dog, a tracking dog, a drug dog, bomb dog,

870
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: police dog, upland dog, a gun dog. It doesn't matter

871
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: any working dog. That the good ones all have a

872
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: couple of things in common, and that is they all

873
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: have a strong basic foundation will be because we have

874
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: to have that. And here's why I say that I

875
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: have to have it. If you watch our we we've

876
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: done some DVDs and we've got our book that we

877
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: sell them all that there's gonna be a bunch of

878
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: drills in there that we're going to show you how

879
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: to do that, are going to get you to that

880
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: four acre field of a hidden shed. But in order

881
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: to do those drills, there's certain things that you have

882
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: to have your dog able to do. Hell, sit, stay

883
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: in here, or recall those four things and that's not

884
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: that hard to do, and we break that down and

885
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: we kind of show you how to do that. We're actually,

886
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, we're filming a DVD exclusively on those four steps.

887
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: It's going to be the most solid foundation DVD out there.

888
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna film it this spring because what I found

889
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: is folks are getting our DVD, but they're going on,

890
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: I love the DVD, but my dog is not quite there.

891
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: So what we want to do is let's get them there.

892
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna build that in this spring

893
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: for him. But we do cover a lot of that

894
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: basic obedient stuff um in our booklet, and we cover

895
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: some of the early stuff in both the other DVDs.

896
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: But if you can get your dog to have that

897
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: solid foundation, you can get your dogs to do anything,

898
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: and they're way more enjoyable because when you have that obedience,

899
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: then take them anywhere you can have them in the house,

900
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: you can have them to the kids soccer games. You

901
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: can do all this stuff year round with them. And

902
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: then when it comes to the shed hunting part that

903
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: shape the scent and the field, you can do all

904
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: the drills. So it sounds boring, but the real the

905
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: reality is if you want to get started, have that

906
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: good foundation. And so if you've got an older dog,

907
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: people ask all the times is tougher to do with

908
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: an old dog or a pup. I don't think it's

909
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: harder one way or the other. I think you have

910
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: advantages of doing it one way or the other. So

911
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: you've got a puppy, you don't have any bad habits

912
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: you relatively you you've got kind of a blank's light

913
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: there to work with. What you can do is start

914
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: out right away putting in good habits. The bad part

915
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: about the puppies are you have to do that foundation

916
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: that heal sits staying here. You gotta do all that

917
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: stuff before you get into a lot of the real

918
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: fun stuff what people think is the fun stuff. So

919
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: it takes a little bit more. It's takelally a while

920
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: to do it with those young pups. The nice part

921
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: about the old dog is they most of the time,

922
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: they have that foundation. So if there's a listener here

923
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: that's got a dog at home, and they go, my

924
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: dog knows how to heal, sit, staying, come when I

925
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: call it, You get right to the fun stuff. So

926
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: that one, You're gonna like that one a lot more

927
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: because it's now you get into the good stuff, you

928
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: get into the shape, you get into the scent, eat

929
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: into the steel. So there's upside and downside to both

930
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: young pups and older dogs. But across the board it's

931
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: it's regardless of the age of the dog that gotta

932
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: I believe they have to have that good foundation in

933
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: order to a success. So here's what I'm imagining, all right,

934
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm imagining I have a shed dog and I go

935
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: out to the timber and I am and I'm basically

936
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: letting my dog do the work. How likely is it

937
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: that you clean up? You clean house? Obviously you have

938
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: to have the sheds on your property to find sheds.

939
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: But are these are these dogs if you don't say

940
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: it's an average to a good dog, are they going

941
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: out and finding every shed on on the property or

942
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: are they are they missing some because the sense worn

943
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: off of the antler over time, or give us kind

944
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: of like a realistic scenario of what's happening when you

945
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: go out with one of these dogs. I I think, personally,

946
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I think it's a misconception that

947
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: because we've got a good shed dog, we can sit

948
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: in the truck and drink coffee and just let the

949
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: dogs fill the back of the truck up. I think

950
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: a lot of people think that's how it works, and

951
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, I will be the first person to say

952
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I think, are you going to find more

953
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: sheds if you're train your dog shed hunt? I think

954
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: you will. And into what degree is it a four

955
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: to one ratio or a three to one? I don't know.

956
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: You touched on a really important point there when you

957
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: said you've got to have the sheds in order to

958
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: find them, whether it's you or the dogs. So the

959
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: best shed dog in the world won't find shed if

960
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: they're hunt in your shed. There it's it's proven. I

961
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: trust me, I've tried it. It won't work. So what

962
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: happens is, yeah, you know what I'm saying, like a

963
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of time where we don't find chance.

964
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: But the thing is is when you take that pop out,

965
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: or gonna take that dog out, you're gonna go. I

966
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: have found this is my this is my personal feelings.

967
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: I have found that I definitely find more antlers with

968
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: the dogs than opposed. And the reason is, I think

969
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. The first thing is if

970
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: you've shed hunting before, and I really believe shed hunting,

971
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: there's a reason why some shed hunters always find sheds.

972
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean that year in and year, there are guys

973
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: out there that pick a lot of harms them and

974
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: I think it's because there's an art. There's somewhat of

975
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: an art to shed hunting. When you go to look

976
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: for shed, you don't look for a shed. You look

977
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: for a tip of a time or the curve of

978
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: the main beam, or the pedicle, the bumps on a pop.

979
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: It's just small, tiny, minute details that you're scanning the

980
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: woods for. It's a lot like morale mushroom mounting. Like before,

981
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: I'm moral mushroom. I just studied mushroom mounting in the

982
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: last couple of years, and I love it because it's

983
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: kind of like shed outing to me. But so when

984
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: I go through the woods, all of a sudden, the

985
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: last couple of years I started finding these mushrooms I looked.

986
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: I walked through the woods for thirty years and never

987
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: found a morel mushroom. You're telling me I never walked

988
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: past on. I guarantee you I did. But I didn't

989
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: know what I was looking for. I didn't realize that

990
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: you look for certain things and patterns in nature that

991
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, and all of a sudden, when

992
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: you see one, they just start appearing. I mean, they're

993
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: all right there, but they just It's the same thing

994
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: with sheds, and so it's funny because I've noticed it

995
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: myself for sure, and I've talked to us a lot

996
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: of really good shed hunters, and they all kind of

997
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: have the same thing to say. When you start going

998
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: out in the woods and you start finding them, you're

999
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: going to find more because you're training your eyes, and

1000
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: your eyes are starting to you totally shift your mindset

1001
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: when you're in the woods or your shed hunting, and

1002
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: when if you can do that and you can focus

1003
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: and concentrate that way, you will find more than the

1004
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: next day. I think it's true with dogs. So when

1005
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: I go out with the dogs, I and I think

1006
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: a lot of them has to do with confidence. Like,

1007
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I've gone shed

1008
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: on you where I left the truck, and you know,

1009
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of short window. We've only got so many

1010
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: weeks to a good shed on you. So I leave

1011
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: the truck and I walk off and I'm in a

1012
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: spot that there should be some some sheds there, And

1013
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: I walk out and I say to myself, what in

1014
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: the world am I doing a waste of my time?

1015
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to find one here, if you know

1016
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: how likely it is that I will find one. If

1017
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: that's the way I think, And that's how I'm kind

1018
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: of my feeling is going into I'm not going to

1019
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: find one. But if I walk out at night and

1020
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: I see the same farm and I go, there are

1021
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: sheds in there, and I'm going to find them. I

1022
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna have to. There's got to be some here.

1023
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: And as I'm watching and looking, my focus is there

1024
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: and I'm tuned into it. I'm kind of in that zone,

1025
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, boom, I found them. Well,

1026
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: I am so likely to find another one after I

1027
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: found the first one because I am that much more

1028
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: focused on it. My mind is nowhere else but looking

1029
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: for sheds. So when I that's that's without the dog.

1030
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 1: Now when I go with a dog, here's what happens.

1031
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: I feel so confident that we are going to find

1032
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: sheds that I believe that each kind of self prophesies

1033
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: the success as well as the failure. And when I

1034
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: go out and I have a dog and I go,

1035
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: we're not missing any sheds. We if they are here,

1036
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: we're going to find them. I think my focus is

1037
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: that much sharper. I feel that much more confident that

1038
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: we're going to find them. And I think we have

1039
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: a tendency to do better from percentage standpoint if that's

1040
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: the mindset have when we take the field. So that's

1041
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: one thing. Another thing I think is important is it's

1042
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: a lot like I always say, the guy that shoots

1043
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: the most ducks usually has a good duck dog. Just

1044
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: just seems like if you think you're groups of friends,

1045
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: guys who shoot the most birds usually got a pretty

1046
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: good dog. Well, is it because they've got a dog

1047
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: if they shoot more birds? No, I has nothing to

1048
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: do with that. I think it has to do with

1049
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: the guy who's got a good duck dogs usually gets

1050
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: invited to some of the best spots. To duck hunt,

1051
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: because if you've got a good dog, you are a

1052
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: welcome partner in this hunt. If you've got to get

1053
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: shed dog, you'll be surprised. I mean, people come out

1054
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: of the woodwork. You can shed down to my land,

1055
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: you know? Would you come with me and walk mine?

1056
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden you're in some spots that

1057
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: if you didn't have that shed dog, you're not welcome.

1058
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: You're not necessarily the one is getting invited. It's the

1059
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: dog that's getting invited. You just get to go along with.

1060
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: And I see that more often than not. And when

1061
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: you put yourself in a better spot, you're going to

1062
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: find more sheds. The other thing is I shed hunt.

1063
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: If I wish, I really should. I wish I would

1064
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: have kept tabs on the amount of hours I spent

1065
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: in the field shed outing prior to the dogs, because

1066
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: I spent I feel like I spent an eternity in

1067
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: the woods looking for antlers and not finding many, ifs

1068
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: any at all. Well, as soon as I got the dog,

1069
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: and I got the idea of I'm gonna train this

1070
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: dog to do it, and you had some success of it,

1071
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: I will guarantee you I spend a lot more hours

1072
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: in the field shed on it than I used to,

1073
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: because it's not only for me anyone ounce for my dog,

1074
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: and I have a lot more fun with it, and

1075
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: it's a good exercise. Or it's all these different reasons

1076
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: to get me into the field more often. And I

1077
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: think it's without a doubt. You do anything more often,

1078
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna find more success, You're gonna get better at it.

1079
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: So for those reasons, you go into the woods with

1080
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: your dog, are you going to clean that woods up?

1081
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: Gets a combination. It falls back on you and your dog,

1082
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: how good are you and how many sheds are actually there?

1083
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: But I would say I will put my money on

1084
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: a guy with a shed with a dog over a

1085
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: guy that's generating by himself and maybe not necessarily focused

1086
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: into it all day long. You guys, dogs you can

1087
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: find more mean the dogs cover a lot of ground

1088
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: and use their os to use your eyes. That's all

1089
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: a little obvious stuff. But all these other things that

1090
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: I was talking about, I think those are things that

1091
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people want to think about. Yeah, I

1092
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: can see it's kind of a compounding effect that the

1093
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: dog is going to find a lot of sheds, but

1094
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: also you know, like you said, just by having that

1095
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: out there, it might you know, help you personally to

1096
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: find more yourself. So that's a pretty interesting, pretty interesting

1097
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: So so I want to kind of summarize what I

1098
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: think I picked up there from you overall, and then

1099
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 1: I've got a little more advanced question. So so at

1100
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: a at the core, to get started training a shed dog, right,

1101
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 1: you talked to what you need to have that base

1102
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: of obedience, and then you need to introduce them to

1103
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: a safe, you know, antler experience, So get them excited,

1104
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: maybe using a dummy or something that's not going to

1105
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: be a negative experience. Get them excited about that. Then

1106
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: start introducing the scent. Now they can start associating that

1107
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: with the scent of an antler. And then eventually, you know,

1108
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: start hiding the sheds maybe in the yard or the house,

1109
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: and as they picker that up and start retreating it,

1110
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: then eventually you can expand and maybe then after you know,

1111
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: seeing success in that way for a while, then maybe

1112
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: start going out into a grassy field or the woods

1113
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. Um, now let's say we've

1114
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: done incremental trip. So let's say we've we've we've gotten

1115
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: to the point where I can go out into and

1116
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, this is exactly the situation, you know,

1117
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: to a degree that I'm in with my dog. You know,

1118
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: I've gotten to the point with Boone that you know,

1119
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm at the point where I'm planting real sheds

1120
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the woods or a forty

1121
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: acre field, and we'll go out there and nine times

1122
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: at ten he's finding that shed. But but my question

1123
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: then is when I take him out, you know, into

1124
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: a non planted area where I haven't you know, I

1125
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: haven't walked and I haven't put sheds um you know,

1126
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: here in Michigan there are a whole lot of sheds

1127
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: defined in a lot of spots at least I have

1128
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: access to. So I start wondering two things. Number One,

1129
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: is my dog finding these sheds that I plant because

1130
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: he's tracking my own scent. Is he's starting to associate

1131
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: my personal scent with the antler and that's what he's finding.

1132
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: And then when we're out in the woods where my

1133
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: own scent isn't there, is he not then finding those

1134
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: antlers because of that? And number two, you know I

1135
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: worry about the focus is you know, how do you

1136
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: improve the focus of your dog. So my question is,

1137
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: once we have the basics, once they can find planted sheds,

1138
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: how do I make sure that my dog has all

1139
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: the tools necessary to take that into the field, maintain

1140
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: that focus and find antlers in a wild environment. Is

1141
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: there anything in advance we can do? Yeah, So I'll

1142
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: tackle it two parts. I'll tackle the first part with

1143
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: the questioning of the scent. Is he tracking you? Is

1144
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: he's smelling your scent? Here's here's the thing, and it

1145
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: really this is the same kind of This is what

1146
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: I really had to dig into myself when it came

1147
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: to tracking training tracking dogs, because I'll tell you right now,

1148
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: I learned more about training the track. I learned the

1149
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: most about training tracking dogs from a cop that trained

1150
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: canine unit dogs in New York City. Had nothing that

1151
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: he has nothing to do with formally deer hunting or

1152
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: deer tracking. Doesn't track for deer at all with his dogs.

1153
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: But he uses shepherd dogs and he trains them to

1154
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: track criminals. And he'll train them to track criminals to

1155
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: the streets in New York based off of dead skin cells.

1156
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean, unbelievable scenting in terro in incredibly difficult scenting conditions,

1157
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: and he has success with his dogs. And and so

1158
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: I met this guy at a deer show. I'm not

1159
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: at the a t a show actually a couple of

1160
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: years ago, and I learned so much from him about

1161
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: how dogs process sent and so that helps me with

1162
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: my training for tracking. So when I after realizing that boy,

1163
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: it really opened up my eyes to scenting in general.

1164
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: So when we start talking about training dogs to find

1165
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: shed ammers, when we start training dogs to find birds

1166
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: there or anything based on a scent element, here's what

1167
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: we gotta understand. Dogs don't smell like we smell. Dogs.

1168
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: Noses don't work. Really, our noses work dogs smelling layers

1169
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: and dogs have the ability to separate scent. And so

1170
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: what we do is I walk in said here's here's

1171
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: an example. I walk into the kitchen and Steph is

1172
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: making pea soup here at my house. So when I

1173
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: walk in, I smell pie soup. And when I bring

1174
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: my dog into the same room, the dog smells. First

1175
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: of all, their scent of smell is just super is

1176
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: so acute, unbelievable. I mean, it's like hundreds and hundreds

1177
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: of thousands at times. What we can smell, so everything

1178
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: is intense. Well, when that dog walks into that kitchen,

1179
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't smell pie soup. It smells peas, it smells carrots,

1180
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: it's smells salt, it smells pepper, it smells celery, it

1181
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: smells every single ingredient in that soup, and it can

1182
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: separate those scents. So when you start thinking about how

1183
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: our dogs smell, you know, when we train, I've got

1184
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: a training bag, and I've got a bunch of stuff

1185
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: in the training bag. And the thing about center is

1186
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: everything smells when you walk across the grass. Not only

1187
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: do we leave scent off of our boots or shoes,

1188
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: Not only are there skin cells coming off of us,

1189
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: Not only does whatever we touched prior to that get

1190
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: deposited into that area. When you bend over grass, you

1191
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: break the grass, Well, that creates a different scent than

1192
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: non broken grass. When there's ground that's disturbed, freshly disturbed

1193
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: ground smells different than non These are all sentlues for dogs,

1194
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: but they gotta remember they process this stuff constantly all

1195
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: day long, so they're they're sorting through scents always like

1196
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: we're starting to visually just through life. I mean, the

1197
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: thing about it. Like, here's another scenario, a drug dog

1198
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: or a bomb dog. When a drug dog, I've seen

1199
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: this done where they'll take a bag of dope, they

1200
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: put it, they'll lap it up in plastic, they'll tape it.

1201
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they take this thing tight air type. Then

1202
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: they'll take it and they put it in the vehicle's

1203
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: gas tank and they'll float it in that gas tank.

1204
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: And then what they do is they just drive that

1205
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: car past a drug dog and the drug dog alerts.

1206
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: How in the world does that dog, how is it

1207
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: able to go through all of that stuff and still

1208
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: be able to pick out the center of that dope

1209
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: and be able to alert to it. Well, the answer

1210
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: is simple. That dog smells everything in layers and sorts

1211
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: them all out. And so when it comes to you

1212
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: training with your dog in the field, if you put

1213
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: antlers out there, first off, I think it's important to

1214
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: be using shed antlers. Don't use cut offs because here's

1215
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: here's the thing about Now we're going to get into

1216
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: the science and what smells on the shed. So bone smells,

1217
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: bone has sent to it, and you'll see it, especially

1218
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: with young dogs. Young dogs will pick up bones and

1219
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: they'll bring them back to you don't discourage that, Praise

1220
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: them for it, tell them how good they are. Took

1221
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: that bone up and throw it when they're not watching,

1222
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: and walk away from it. But the thing is is,

1223
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: if you train your dog to finantler's antler is a

1224
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: bone and when your dogs snow bones, bones have the

1225
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: same set as your antler. So the antlers. So the

1226
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: bulls got sent to it, and it always will. It

1227
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: will never lose it. It will never lose that. It's

1228
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: always gonna have sense. But when you've got antlers that

1229
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: are fresh dropped or this year's drops, they have other

1230
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: elements that are going to be pretty strong that when

1231
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: calcification takes place in the antler separates from the deer's head.

1232
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: There's blood there. I mean, we've seen it in the

1233
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: snow where shed lee and there's blood all over with

1234
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: deer breeds. For a little bit. What else is there?

1235
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: There's hair. Look at the base of a shed, a

1236
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: fresh shed this year, you're going to see a bunch

1237
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: of stuff in that base, in that pedicle. That's all

1238
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: that sent for a dog. So when you start if

1239
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: a guy iff is guys are gals. They are using

1240
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: cut off, cut off antlers, you've got the shape, you've

1241
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: got the center, the bone, but you cut off what

1242
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say is the majority of a fresh sheds scent.

1243
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: So don't don't use cut offs, use real sheds. Use

1244
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: fresh sheds if you can't. The other thing is is

1245
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: we don't want to be cutting it because when you

1246
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: have you ever cut an antler, I mean you've cut

1247
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: cut antlers off before? What does it smell like? It

1248
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: reeks like burnt hair. I mean, it's just it's awful. Well,

1249
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: if I can smell that, remember how strong my dogs

1250
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: know this is. You know I can smell that. My

1251
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: dog will smell it too. And so what you're doing

1252
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: is not only are you eliminating the real scent, but

1253
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: you're creating a scent that's not natural to a shed antler.

1254
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: So when we're training our dogs, we're trying to introduce

1255
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: all these scent clues. And these scent clues are part

1256
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: of the puzzle that equals the reward. So when we

1257
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: chain is our scent gonna get on it? And I

1258
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: don't try. I don't intentionally try to put my scent

1259
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: on it, but I don't waste my time trying to

1260
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: eliminate it because here's here's the reality you will not

1261
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: be able to You're not going to if if as

1262
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: soon as you eliminate the scent and then you put

1263
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: it back in your training bag and touch it again,

1264
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: you just put scent on it. So the center your

1265
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: sense always gonna be there, but the antler center is

1266
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: always gonna be there as well. And if we enhance

1267
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: the antler scent with our training sense, that means there's

1268
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: all sorts of layers there for our dogs to be

1269
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: able to pick up on the repetition of that is

1270
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: going to teach that dog that all of these sense

1271
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: lead me to this. When you start peeling some of

1272
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: those layers off, when you get into the in the

1273
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: field where it isn't antlers that have never been touched before,

1274
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: the scent that is still on that antler as long

1275
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,439
Speaker 1: as you trained it that way. That scent was there

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01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: when you were training as well. So we just peeled

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01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: a couple of layers and sent off. But there's still

1278
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: familiar scents from your training that are there. So you know,

1279
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: I've had I've heard guys say we'll just wear rubber gloves.

1280
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: You know that will eliminate your sense. First of all,

1281
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: it won't eliminate yourself, but it might minimize your scent.

1282
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: But the thing about rubber gloves or what a rubber

1283
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: gloves smell like, Yeah, I can smell that if I

1284
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: guarantee you your dog can smell it. So you're masking

1285
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: one cent in putting a different cent on it. The

1286
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: idea about the fear of the dogs working off of us,

1287
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: to me, I don't buy it. If you do enough

1288
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: repetition in your training and slowly peel the layers back

1289
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: to get the dogs to understand that there might be

1290
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: a thousand cents involved with that antler when you're training,

1291
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: but when it's out in the while, there might be

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01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: down to a couple of hundred cents. As long as

1293
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: those couple hundred cents are there when you're training, you're

1294
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. The dog will make that transition. It's

1295
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: no different than bird dogs. When when guys trained bird dogs,

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01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: they don't wear rubber gloves on the canvas bumpers. They don't,

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01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: you limit, they don't wash their canvas bumpers, they don't

1298
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: wash their pheasants. You know they're they're birds. I don't know.

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01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: I think the problem with that idea was because guys

1300
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: just weren't really thinking about how dogs process and how

1301
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: they truly are using their nose to pick up clues.

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01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: When you explain like that, it does make a lot

1303
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: of sense. And uh, that's good to know. I think

1304
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: from there, spend more. Trust me, you'll spend way more

1305
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: time trying to keep sent off than you will train them,

1306
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: and that you don't get anywhere that way. So um

1307
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, so that that that that is the answer

1308
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: sent Hich. What was the second question? You do you

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01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: want to? It was just, you know, is there any

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01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: way to improve a dog's focus or is that just

1311
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: inherent genetic? Dogs are just going to be you know

1312
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: that when they go out there in the field, they

1313
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: have a mission and they're on it, and some dogs

1314
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: will just you know, be into it for a half

1315
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: hour an hour and then they'll kind of fade off.

1316
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: Is there any way to improve that? Yeah? Great question.

1317
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: And and so here's here's how I would approach that.

1318
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: And I think that part of it is more maturity

1319
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: than anything. The younger dogs will have shorter focuses, shorter

1320
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: attention spans, and as a trainer, I think it's important

1321
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: to set them up for success. So you've got to

1322
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: understand you've got to be able to kind of gauge

1323
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: your dogs level of focus and kind of train accordingly

1324
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: and hunt accordingly. So don't don't take the young dogs

1325
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: out for the first time on a four hour walk

1326
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: looking for shed, because you're you're just not gonna getting

1327
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: the focus the whole time. What you want to do

1328
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: is start out with a real short box and and

1329
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: as successful as can be. And here's how I like

1330
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: to keep their focusing and we see it. It's kind

1331
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: of like you know, it goes up and down as

1332
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: as the hunt goes on. But the best way that

1333
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: I found is when we get out, I'm gonna take

1334
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: a little shed an't right with me and just put

1335
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: it in my pocket. And you know, we've been training

1336
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: and we've had these dogs picking these up and they

1337
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: understand and you get out in a fifty minute lessons

1338
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: a lot for most dogs. So when we train, we

1339
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: training relatively short incomus. But when I get out in

1340
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: the field, I'm gonna put a little shed in the

1341
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: back pocket and as we get working. Mind if this

1342
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: comes back to reading your dog, If you read and

1343
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: your dog that the dog is losing focus, and kind

1344
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: of tuning itself back out. That's the time where you

1345
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: want to use this little shed to your advantage. So

1346
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: I'll pitch that shed and I'll just circle the pop

1347
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: down wind and I'll let the dog get down wind

1348
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: of it, and all of a sudden, I'll give it

1349
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: to the hunt command. We say find it, so I'll

1350
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: find it, find it, find it, find it. And when

1351
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: it hears me, when my dog hears me say find it,

1352
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: something's gonna be found. And they know that because we've

1353
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: trained that into them. So they start using that nose

1354
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: and they start getting that excitement, and you read their

1355
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: body language, and the tail gets going, to ears get going,

1356
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they get down wind they

1357
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: find that little antler for you, and they bring it

1358
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: back and you love them up and tell them how

1359
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: good they are. Now watch the focus for the next

1360
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. There all of a sudden, there, hey, there

1361
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: is going to be another one of these. There's another.

1362
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: This is what we're here for. It's kind of that reminder.

1363
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: So use it as often or as as a few

1364
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: times as needed. But you kind I gotta gage that

1365
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: on on how you read your dog. And so that

1366
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: is That is the best way I have found to

1367
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: keep these dogs focused. First off, short lessons and short hunts,

1368
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: especially early on, and then as things get going and

1369
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: we get into these keep them excited about it. The

1370
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: other thing is the other thing is is and that

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01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: I laugh because it's it's so true. Some guy told

1372
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 1: me that I wish I could come up with it,

1373
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,600
Speaker 1: but it wasn't my idea, but that I'll use it

1374
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: all the time. What I don't know what it is.

1375
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: But when we're shed out of team and we see

1376
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,759
Speaker 1: a shed aniler, what is our first reaction? Like my

1377
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: my reaction is I sprint to that aniler, Like I

1378
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: run to it because I don't know why, but I'm

1379
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: so excited. I gotta get to it. I gotta pick

1380
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 1: it up. The reality is that shed is not going anywhere.

1381
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: It's not like it's going to run off on you.

1382
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 1: So I have to really focus and say, don't run

1383
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: and pick this thing up instead. That is the perfect

1384
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 1: that's the best train tool. That's the best planted or

1385
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna find because nobody else planning it but that deer.

1386
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,440
Speaker 1: So now use it as use it to your advantage,

1387
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 1: get your do the exact same thing, get the dog

1388
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: downward of it, you saw it, set the dog up

1389
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: for success, and watches your dog's confidence bills after you

1390
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: find a couple like that, I don't care if I

1391
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: see it first or not, as long as my dog

1392
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: tunes in and picks it up. Now we're rocking and

1393
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 1: roll and and you'll see that obviously that just clicks.

1394
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: It makes sense for the dog. Yeah, that's that's an

1395
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: awesome thing to see too. So I'll tell you one

1396
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: thing first off. Right now, you've got me really pumped up,

1397
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: like I wish if I if I didn't want to

1398
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: talk to you, which I do, but if I didn't,

1399
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: I want to grab my dog and go outside right

1400
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: now and start working with him because I'm really read

1401
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: and excited. But but we are running up on time here,

1402
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure we touched on training

1403
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: dogs to track game and also how to you know

1404
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: how to best use someone else was a tracking dog,

1405
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: So I want to first. I want to first cover

1406
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: that guy, because if someone's listening today and they don't

1407
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: own a dog yet, and maybe they don't necessarily want

1408
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: to buy one yet, but they do want to know

1409
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: a little bit about you know, how to utilize someone

1410
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: who does have a game tracking dog. Can you give

1411
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: us a few tips or pointers for you know, what

1412
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: you should keep in mind if you shoot a deer

1413
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: and maybe based on the hit or anything, do you think, hey,

1414
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: maybe I want to call someone to help me out here.

1415
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: What would you tell that guy? What does that guy

1416
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: need to know about game tracking dogs? So the first

1417
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 1: the first thing is is I think it's and I'm

1418
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 1: so I'm really gratefull you're doing this because I think

1419
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: one of the problems out there right now is is

1420
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: the lack of awareness when it comes to these game

1421
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: recovery dogs. And the reality is and you guys are Michigan,

1422
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm Wisconsin, UM, both legal tracking states. UM. And so

1423
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: the first thing is is a lot of folks don't

1424
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: realize that you can do it. Here's I'm going to

1425
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: say that. I'm going to say that when it comes

1426
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 1: to a tracking dog or game recovery dog, I don't

1427
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: believe there is a better tool, more effective tool to

1428
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: finding a deer that is mortally wounded. I will put

1429
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: a dog up against any tracker any day in the week,

1430
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: and I will put I'll bet what I can whatever

1431
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: I got on on that dog, and so I think

1432
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: it's just such a from a hunters standpoint, from us

1433
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: as hunters and our kind of responsibility when it comes

1434
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: to if we're gonna shoot an animal, we really owe

1435
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: it to that animal to do everything in our power

1436
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: to find it. And so the dog is I think

1437
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: the most effective tool. Now, putting that aside, what do

1438
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: you do and how do you go about it if

1439
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 1: you don't have a dog. And I will say this,

1440
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: there are some really good trackers in Michigan. There's a

1441
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: group right I do I do. I learned a lot

1442
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,759
Speaker 1: from them and we talked to him and from Michigan

1443
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: Deer Tracking Homes and they are phenomenal. They've got phenomenal records,

1444
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: they've got awesome history as far as clients success. And

1445
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: there's several groups in Michigan that that do it. There's

1446
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: several people in Wisconsin that do it, and so and

1447
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: I and that's true throughout the US and really through

1448
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: the midwal West and in the Northeast, and it's it's

1449
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: it's growing and that's what we're trying to do is

1450
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: growth the awareness of it. But there's a group called

1451
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: the United Blood Trackers and they're nonprofit and they've got

1452
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: a website that if you hit a deer and you

1453
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: are going to have and it's marginal and you don't

1454
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: you either tried tracking it and have lost blood or

1455
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: you don't want to push it because you know it's

1456
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: a marginal hit. There's a website that you can go

1457
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: to and it's it's the United Bood Trackers and they

1458
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: have a link there that you click on its find

1459
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: a Tracker and it will it will give you a

1460
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: list of trackers that are members of their group then

1461
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: are potentially in your area. So, first of all, that's

1462
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: a good way of finding a tracker. The other way is,

1463
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, obviously it's a small community, and it's a

1464
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: community that word of mouth travels quickly as far as

1465
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: the hunters go, so by tracking finding one. Finding a

1466
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: tracker is usually called your sports shop or your tax

1467
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 1: and they'll use a be able to point in that direction. Now,

1468
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, the dudes and don't and

1469
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: there are some and I'm not a tracking service. I

1470
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: don't have the capability to do it in the fall,

1471
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: I'm too busy. I just don't have the time. Um,

1472
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: but I know guys that do. So I get a

1473
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: lot of calls. Can you contract this, dear? You know,

1474
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: because they find us on the website, on our website

1475
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: where they find us through face, Facebook or different ways,

1476
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: and they get tracked, they gets led to us. Well.

1477
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: I point people, depending on where they are and whether

1478
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 1: they fell outpointing the directions and give them numbers and

1479
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: help out in any way I can. Um But I

1480
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: think the thing is is if you've got a dear

1481
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: the kid and you're questionable, it's marginal. The biggest thing,

1482
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: and it's it's sometimes probably the most difficult part is

1483
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,759
Speaker 1: back oft. Don't push that gear. And it's for multiple reasons.

1484
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: Now this is this is my opinion. And you'll talk

1485
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: with some trackers that are under the opinion and not

1486
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: necessarily dog trackers, which is people following year. There are

1487
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: some people they just keep pushing the deer because you

1488
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 1: when a deer land is now, I's trying to stop

1489
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: the bleeding, and so if you keep the wound open,

1490
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: it will eventually bleed up. I'm against that, and the

1491
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: reason is because I've seen dear do incredible things when

1492
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: they're mortally wounded, mortally wounded or non mortally wounded. I've

1493
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: seen dear do incredible things with adrenaline fueling them. And

1494
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: when we track them and push them and bump them

1495
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:29,480
Speaker 1: at adrenaline and that that deer is desire for survival

1496
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: is unrivaled. So I don't want to push them. And

1497
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: the other reason is is time with myself and with

1498
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 1: other people. You're limited with maybe the acreas that you

1499
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: can go. So if you hit a deer and you

1500
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: push it off the property, you might your chance the

1501
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: deer might die, and your chances of recovering it might

1502
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 1: significantly drop because it's you can't go in there, or

1503
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: you don't have permission or something. For somewhat ever reason

1504
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: it is. So I'm gonna say the biggest thing is

1505
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: back out and try to get a hold of a

1506
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: tracker as quickly as possible. You've got a couple of

1507
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: things working against you. Time and potentially weather. So people,

1508
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, people always get fearful of rain, and the

1509
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: reality of the rain as long as it's not a

1510
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: golly washer. Rain is not bad for our track. Rain

1511
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: brings the scent out for our dogs, so especially a

1512
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 1: light rain. So don't I don't get to worry about

1513
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: when I say the weather, I mean if you're gonna

1514
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: get a huge dolly washer. If you're gonna have a dry,

1515
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: bony day and it's real windy, that's tough on on

1516
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: scenting conditions for our dogs. So the biggest thing is

1517
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: I want to get it, get a hold of a

1518
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: guy as quick as possible so that they can see

1519
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: if it's a scheduling thing and it will work for them.

1520
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: But the other thing is we don't want to go

1521
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,839
Speaker 1: in and we don't want to contaminate that trail because

1522
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: it will significantly decrease your likely know to finding it

1523
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: if you go in and disturb everything. It just makes

1524
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: us so much harder on our dogs. So you know,

1525
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: a good tracking dog is a good problem solver. They're

1526
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: like if they are people, they make real good cops.

1527
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: Like they'd go in there and they would look at

1528
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: this scene and they'd find all these little clues and

1529
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: that would help them follow that trail. It's all scent

1530
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:11,879
Speaker 1: clues and so, uh, you know, obviously for us sometimes

1531
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: there's visual clues to these deer. Well, for our dogs,

1532
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: the scent is always going to be there, So don't

1533
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: disturb it, don't don't try not to contaminate the line.

1534
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: And then get out of there as a quick as possible,

1535
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: So you don't push it, don't. It's a lot nicer

1536
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: to attract a dearer quarter mile than three miles, you know,

1537
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: so uh, don't push them and get a hold of

1538
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: a tractor as quick as possible. So what is the

1539
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: what is the dog actually um actually smelling? Because um,

1540
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: myself and Mark both lost deer last year and I

1541
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: called up a couple of trackers and I wasn't able

1542
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 1: to get one in my area, and um, I guess

1543
01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: a decent amount of time. But is it I I've

1544
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: been told it's actually the blood. I've been told there's

1545
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: a gland in their foot that will extract a scent

1546
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: when it's wounded. Could you clarify that? Sure? Sure? So,

1547
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: So when it's what is the dog actually smelling? Is?

1548
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 1: I believe it's a whole bunch of stuff when it

1549
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: comes to a track, when it comes to following a

1550
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 1: wounded deer. So there are there are multiple scent crews

1551
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: that are really easy to distinguished, really easy to call

1552
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: out from from a deer. From a science standpoint, so

1553
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: blood smells, bloods got scent. But the reality is and

1554
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of people think oh, you know dogs

1555
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 1: just tracking on blood. Here's the thing. If they're blood,

1556
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 1: you don't need a dog because if they're blood, someone

1557
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: will be able to follow it. It's when you lose

1558
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: blood that you don't that you need the dog to

1559
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: come in. So blood is a scent. Part of a

1560
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: scent clue. But the same about blood is when blood rolls,

1561
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 1: When blood rolls off of an animal, it rolls across

1562
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: the hide. Well, when it rolls across the hide, scent

1563
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: is created by bacteria. And so when when the blood

1564
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: rolls off, blood's got sent to it, no doubt about it.

1565
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: It's got an iron smell like to us it would

1566
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 1: be like an irony smell based on what it's made

1567
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: up in the science of it. But when it rolls

1568
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: across hide, it picks up bacteria from that hide that

1569
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: creates scent. So there's there's scent clues. Hair itself smells,

1570
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: they're scent in there. There's bacteria on hair that has

1571
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: sent to it. That's part of the clues. Um. When

1572
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 1: you talk about that gland between the hoofs, it's an

1573
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: interdigital gland. Each deer has one. Every deer's got one.

1574
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: And the thing about the interdigital land is it's a

1575
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: lot like a person's fingerprints. So we all have our

1576
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: own unique fingerprint. No two people at the same one.

1577
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: No deer has the same scent. They all smell their

1578
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 1: own unique way. And it's and it's crazy to think this,

1579
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: but my your your dog, my dog. Tractors. Dogs noses

1580
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 1: are so sensitive they can they can separate the individual deer.

1581
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 1: Since so when a dog was on a track. The

1582
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: reason I say that is when a dog was on

1583
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: a track, a lot of the times it's twelve twenty

1584
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: four hours later, without a doubt, there are other deer

1585
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: that will cross that track and and they create We

1586
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: do it, we train for it, and we create these

1587
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: distractions intentionally. But what we're doing is we're teaching our

1588
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: dogs that they're going to have to sift through these

1589
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: distractions and they're gonna have to focus on that that

1590
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: older track, that it was created by that specific deer.

1591
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: That specific deer has its own scent. It comes out

1592
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 1: of that individual plan. So that's that's part of it.

1593
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: A wounded animal puts off a scent than a non

1594
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: wounded animal does not, does not put off and it

1595
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: comes from adrenaline. I mentioned adrenaline earlier, how adrenaline can

1596
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: be the worst enemy because it can push a deer

1597
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 1: so far, and it can give them so much strength,

1598
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: and it just it's unbelievable, what you know, how it

1599
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: is when you get pumped up and boy that a

1600
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: generally can really make you do things that you didn't

1601
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: think you could do. Well. The same is true with

1602
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: the deer. Thinking about adrenaline, is it smells, It's not.

1603
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: We can't smell, but our dogs can't. So when there's

1604
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: adrenaline lane on the ground, that's a scent clue that

1605
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: this is the right trail. When when a deer runs

1606
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: through the woods, it kicks up the ground, sometimes we

1607
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: can visually track it that way well, when I mentioned

1608
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: it earlier, When that ground is freshly disturbed, its descent,

1609
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: their scent associated with it. When branches get broken and

1610
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: twigs get snapped, their scent that's created that is not

1611
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: there if it weren't broken. Those are all scent clues

1612
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 1: that are part of this track for our dog, and

1613
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: so in our training we try to expose them to

1614
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: as much of that as possible. Um, But there's so

1615
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: many there's only so many ways, there's only so many

1616
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: things we can do to do that in training. So

1617
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: once we get to that point and we get these

1618
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: dogs following these cold tracks and these these simulated trails, well,

1619
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 1: I really believe the best way to get a dog

1620
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: to understand this the end game and this whole tracking

1621
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: thing is by putting them on tracks. I have to

1622
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: put them on, dear, track on actual tracking jobs, so

1623
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: that they can take all the pieces and put them together,

1624
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: and each track or trailing job is gonna be a

1625
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: little bit different, all gonna have a little bit different sense,

1626
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: and so experience is, in my opinion, the only true

1627
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 1: way to finish out of dogs. I won't let young

1628
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: dogs go on marginal hits. I won't do it because

1629
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 1: my fear is that we're not going to have success

1630
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: if we don't find that dear. My dog looks at

1631
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: me and goes, wait a minute, you told me there

1632
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: was something here. Because every time we do this drill,

1633
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:43,839
Speaker 1: we find something at the end, I get the reward

1634
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: you praised me all this. You told me it was

1635
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: gonna be here, and if we don't find it, my

1636
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 1: dog's gonna look at me and go I don't know

1637
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: if he's when he tells me I don't know if

1638
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna if it's true or not. I don't want

1639
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: my dog called bs. So what I'll do is with

1640
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: a young dog, I'm going to take and that when

1641
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 1: I say a young dog, I mean the first season

1642
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: or two of tracks. I'm going to start out with

1643
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: the ones that the guy comes in and he goes,

1644
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: I saw that your tip over us a double lunging

1645
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 1: it on seventy and fell over. Perfect. Now I'm gonna

1646
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: take that young dog and it's gonna be easy. But

1647
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 1: the thing is is it's going to be successful. And

1648
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer. And when it comes to training dogs,

1649
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: I think you have to have success in your lessons

1650
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: because you can kill a dog spirit if you set

1651
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: them up to fail. And one thing that's really important

1652
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: as a trainer, and this goes to whether you're a

1653
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: professional trainer or you are the most novice trainer law,

1654
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of success goes back to it's

1655
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: a partnership. It's you and the dog. You're a team.

1656
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: No different with that shed, honey. When we're talking about

1657
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: the confidence levels grow with both, it's very true with

1658
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: the tracking dogs. So I think it is a very

1659
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 1: very important element that's oftentimes overlooked. I think people say,

1660
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 1: we'll just train me a dog, can give it to

1661
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: me and it will track for me. It won't work

1662
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: most times. It won't work because they're not computers. We

1663
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: can't just program and hand them off. We have to

1664
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: read the dog and understand what the dog is, how

1665
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: the dog is working, when the dog gets off track,

1666
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: and how can we help them get back on the track.

1667
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 1: We're definitely a team when it comes to a tracking

1668
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: dog and the tracker um and I think that's really important.

1669
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: So that'll makes that will makes a lot of sense,

1670
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: and it's got me now thinking about the idea of

1671
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: how it might be able to do the same thing

1672
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: with my own dog too. So before run out of time, here,

1673
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 1: can you give us like a five minute or less

1674
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: cliff nose version of how to get started training a dog?

1675
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: To do this? Because we've talked about what to do

1676
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: if you don't have a dog, and we've talked about

1677
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: how dogs do it. But now let's say I do

1678
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: have a dog, real quick, how do I get started

1679
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: training this? Because it sounds pretty complicated, maybe even more

1680
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: complicated than training a shed dog. It sounds like it

1681
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: it isn't Mark. I'm telling you right now, it's easier.

1682
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: Here's why it is so natural to our dogs to

1683
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: track it. Tracking dogs dogs in general track no matter what.

1684
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: It's just we don't realize it half the time. So

1685
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: it's relatively simple and and there are a lot of

1686
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: different approaches to taking the we we did similar to

1687
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: our shed training products. We we developed some products that

1688
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: we use in the instruction behind it. We did the

1689
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: same thing with the game recovery. So again I stressed

1690
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: the simplicity in it. It's an approach that we've had

1691
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: a ton of success within a lot of others of

1692
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: that success with it's It's what we do is I

1693
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 1: try to simulate as much of those sense that we

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01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: just talked about, and I try to simulate them in

1695
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: that process. But just like when we trained our dogs

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01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 1: and I expressed the idea of incremental training, introducing little

1697
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: bitty steps on top of each other, we're going to

1698
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: take the same approach with the tracking dog. So I

1699
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: like to start them out young if I can, and

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01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: I'll start them out with simply a liver drag. It's

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01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: a it's b uth in, an actual liver and this

1702
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: takes a little bit of thinking, because you don't want

1703
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: to save a liver from the season prior. If you

1704
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: can't get a deer liver, you can use a beef liver.

1705
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: I think it will work. I prefer a venison liver.

1706
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 1: But what we do is we simply do these little drags,

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01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: these little straight drags, and and we've got these little puppies,

1708
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: and it's really just a game of predator prey. It's

1709
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: natural tapping into that predator prey with these dogs. It's

1710
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: a game of I'm gonna chase this thing down and

1711
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: they catch it, and when I get to the end

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01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 1: of it, there's gonna be something good for me. And

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01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: so I simply start laying I started, I have one

1714
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: person of all out of the pupp and I'll drag

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01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: the line. Now, let the pup go, and a little

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01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 1: PUPPI just chases it down and catches it, and they

1717
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: think they caught it. And so the thing is is

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01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: they're running this line and they're I know, because of

1719
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: the way a dog smells, he's bringing that sent in

1720
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: and he's starting to understand that this is what it

1721
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: smells like when I run to the end of this

1722
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: thing and catch this thing. Well, to do that a

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01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: couple of times, and then all of a sudden, have

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01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: the pup inside the house and lay the drag in

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01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: the same spot and put the pup down and watch it.

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01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,759
Speaker 1: The pup does puff, just put his nose to the ground,

1727
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, off he goes, and he

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01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: does the exact same thing that he did the last

1729
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 1: couple of times, and he finds this little liver at

1730
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 1: the end. And the reason why his liver is because

1731
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 1: it's a scent that is associated with a wounded animal.

1732
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: But it's also a very sweet smell, and for whatever reason,

1733
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: these dogs love it. I mean they really really like it.

1734
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: So when they get to the end of it, I'll

1735
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: let him look on it a little bit. I want

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01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: to eat it or anything, but I'll let him look

1737
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: on it a little bit. Then I put it back

1738
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,679
Speaker 1: in the zip bog bag and into the freezer it goes.

1739
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: So I'll do that a couple of times. Then we

1740
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: just slowly start adding some distance to it. We start

1741
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: adding a few turns in um, you know, nine d

1742
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 1: degree turns. Watched the little pups, they've runs right through

1743
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: the ninety because they just don't understand that there's a

1744
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: turn coming up, they outrun their nose, but then all

1745
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're that natural dog tracking and the

1746
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: dog comes out and all of a sudden starts circling

1747
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 1: back in and they get back into the area and

1748
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 1: off go. And we can we can set this up

1749
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,600
Speaker 1: by using the wind to our advantage. And this is

1750
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: all the thinking about it prior to doing it. Make

1751
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: it so that the dogs kind of quartering into the

1752
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: wind and all of a sudden it finished its straight

1753
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: down wind, you know, right into it. Because it's going

1754
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: to help the dog along. And so I emphasize the

1755
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 1: idea of what training the dog. We're not testing them.

1756
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: We're just trying to add small layers to that. So

1757
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 1: we go through that process. Then we start adding in

1758
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 1: some hair, we start using some hides, we start I

1759
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: make a cent myself so that you don't I've got

1760
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: a freezer and my graduate Now that I warned people

1761
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: to look into it because there's a lot of stuff

1762
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,719
Speaker 1: in there that you will want to be it's it's

1763
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: that's people always said, what's the hardest part about training

1764
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: these tracking dogs? I truly believe the hardest part about

1765
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 1: training the tracking dog is getting the stuff you needed

1766
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: to do it at certain times of the year. I'm

1767
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 1: not big on road kills in August. I mean, it's

1768
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 1: just not something I like doing. So what I do

1769
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: is I've got freezers full of the stuff. I process

1770
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: it myself, we naturally preserve it. We do a bunch

1771
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 1: of stuff to simulate the best we can, a lot

1772
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: of the variety of sense. It's not just blood. It's

1773
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff that's mixed into it, and

1774
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: we make it into a scent, and then we preserve

1775
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: it so it's got some shelf life and it's got

1776
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: an opportunity where you can take it in your house,

1777
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 1: set it on the table, and your wife, your mom,

1778
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: and your girlfriend to look at it and go, no

1779
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 1: big deal, and they'll walk it past it. Now, if

1780
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: that was a vial of blood, you're out of there. Man,

1781
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. So I think the hardest part

1782
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: is getting the stuff you need, and that's what we've

1783
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 1: tried to do with putting together this kit. And then

1784
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 1: we also have you know, the various parts of pieces

1785
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: that you can get because there's certain things you're gonna

1786
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: run out. If you're gonna need more scent you're gonna

1787
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 1: need a second piece of hide to be to act

1788
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 1: as a reward, and so you're gonna want one that

1789
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 1: you're gonna lay a cent trail with. You're gonna want

1790
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: one at the end. So we offer all that stuff

1791
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: so that you can get it, and then you know,

1792
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:01,839
Speaker 1: we explain more in depth on on the process um

1793
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: in the booklet and then in the DVD. But it's

1794
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: it's funny because once what you just said, so many

1795
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: people think that sounds are really complicated. Well, once they

1796
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: watch and they actually start doing it with their dogs

1797
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 1: and they see our little videos on Facebook and they

1798
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: see how we're doing it, I think that they're really

1799
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: surprised at the idea of this isn't nearly as as

1800
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: hard as I thought it was going to be. And

1801
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: that's our hopes, that's that's our our thought is if

1802
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 1: we can give you the tools and the information, you're

1803
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: gonna have to put a little time into it. You know,

1804
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to put invest the time with the dog,

1805
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 1: but it won't take that much. I promise you that.

1806
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 1: And if you're able to do that, I would be

1807
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: willing to bet your chances of recovering dear are greater

1808
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 1: than if you did. And that's that's the whole goal.

1809
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,719
Speaker 1: And that goes back to the beginning when we talked

1810
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: about what's our responsibility as a hunter, what are we

1811
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: really what are we really doing? And I just really

1812
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 1: firmly believe that if we we wounded animal, we really

1813
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: owe it to them to making every effort possible to

1814
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:13,759
Speaker 1: find them. Yeah, so true. I've actually found out recently

1815
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 1: that I've got a little bit of red green color

1816
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: blindness to degree, so I've realized why sometimes it's hard

1817
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: to see blood, and and that's developed a need for

1818
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: me that I really do think I need to start

1819
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 1: training my dog or utilizing of tracking dog more to

1820
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: help me with that process, because I think that is

1821
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 1: a is even more critical for the of men out

1822
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: there that have that type of color blindness. So it's

1823
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 1: another reason why I'm thinking that it's something I really

1824
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: need to look into. So you've got me very intrigued

1825
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,719
Speaker 1: and um really interested in adding to my dog's training

1826
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: regimen um. But all that said, we are we've taken

1827
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: a lot of your time. Jeremy and Dan actually had

1828
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: to drop off the line, but he and I both

1829
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,480
Speaker 1: really really appreciate you joining us here for for this conversation.

1830
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 1: This has been great. I thank you for having us

1831
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: and I thank you for doing this stuff because, like

1832
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 1: I said earlier, this type of awareness, I think is

1833
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: what's really important, uh, you know, because it's something that

1834
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 1: it's first of all, it's fun. The second of all,

1835
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot of upside to it. So for for

1836
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate you you're willing to listen to the JAB

1837
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: but for as long as I did. But I had

1838
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 1: a great time, and you guys made it easy. So yeah, absolutely. Now,

1839
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: if anyone out there who's listening wants to learn more

1840
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 1: about you or pick up your you know, your different

1841
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 1: products for shed hunting and game tracking, where can they

1842
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: go best? The best place is probably our website, which

1843
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 1: is dog bone hunter dot com. Um. There there they

1844
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,640
Speaker 1: can see all of our stuff and get links to

1845
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 1: different retailers and different places that carry it. And it's

1846
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: also a nice it's an easy way to link to

1847
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 1: some of our social media stuff and our social media stuff.

1848
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 1: We treat it, I try to treat it more as

1849
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: a training resource than anything. And in the nice part

1850
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: about it is it's free and it's pretty interactive, so

1851
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things that we can post

1852
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: a training tip or training video, we can get some

1853
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 1: back and forth with different people that are maybe doing

1854
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: the same thing and having a little bit of an

1855
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: issue with this or that, and we can kind of

1856
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 1: get conversation going that way. So, UM, dog Bone Hunter

1857
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: dot com would be probably the best place to get started. Perfect.

1858
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: We'll make sure to link to that in the show

1859
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 1: notes for this episode, and um I'll be sure to

1860
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 1: be heading there too and probably picking up a few

1861
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 1: more resources to help myself out. So Jeremy, thank you,

1862
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:34,600
Speaker 1: thank you so much. We really appreciate the time. Thank you.

1863
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:38,799
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, all right, have a good one. Al right. Well,

1864
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: that is going to do it for us today on

1865
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 1: the podcast, And what an awesome interview. Whether you have

1866
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: a dog or not, I hope you learned something new today.

1867
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 1: They can help you in the future, and I know

1868
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: I certainly did. And I'm pretty pumped to get my

1869
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 1: dog Boone out there in the woods to start looking

1870
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: for shed soon. That said, the close things out, as

1871
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: we discussed at the beginning of the show, we do

1872
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 1: have a giveaway winner to announce and to be able

1873
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: to give away all you had to do was leave

1874
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 1: a review on iTunes between the time last episode came

1875
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 1: out and now, and many of you did, so thank

1876
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: you for that. And the winner, as we mentioned, will

1877
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: be getting a brand new our brand new, redesigned Wired

1878
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:16,680
Speaker 1: Hunt Halt and they'll be the first person to get

1879
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: one of those, so that's kind of cool. And that

1880
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 1: winner is iTunes user name Brandon bow Hunter. Congratulations Brandon

1881
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: bow Hunter. And here's Brandon had to say in his review.

1882
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: This podcast is what I look forward to every Wednesday.

1883
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 1: You guys have absolutely outdone any other hunting related podcast

1884
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 1: out there. The amount of information that you guys pack

1885
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: into a one hour show is awesome. As a CNC Michianus,

1886
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm not able to read it work, but I am

1887
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 1: awed to have headphones in and as a deer bum,

1888
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 1: your show feeds my needs all year long. Thank you

1889
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: Mark and Dan for the great shows. Keep up the

1890
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,879
Speaker 1: great work. Good work, I should say, and thank you Brandon.

1891
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: We really appreciate that and love to hear from a

1892
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: fellow dear bum that's enjoying the show and just so

1893
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 1: glad that we can help you make it through the

1894
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 1: long day at work too. And when you hear this,

1895
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: make sure to hop on the wire hunt on Facebook

1896
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: page and send us a message with your dress and

1897
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 1: we'll get that hat in the mail asap. And I

1898
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,759
Speaker 1: also wanted to give a shout out to iTunes user

1899
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 1: j Wuck who headlined his review simply by saying Dan

1900
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: has a very respectable beard. I kind of get a

1901
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: kick out of that. I can't deny it, but that's

1902
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,759
Speaker 1: pretty funny. Although let's be honest, it's really my beard

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Speaker 1: that's in need of a self esteem boost. So come on, guys,

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Speaker 1: help me out on that. Uh. Continuing on. For show

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Speaker 1: notes and links from today's show, please visit wird Hunt

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Speaker 1: dot com slash episode And of course we also want

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Speaker 1: to thank all our partners who have helped keep this

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Speaker 1: podcast on the air so big. Thank you too, Sick

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Speaker 1: of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Carbon Express Arrows,

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Speaker 1: Hunt Soft, Lacrosse, Boots, Big and J, Long Range Attractings,

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Speaker 1: and the White Tail Institute of North America. And finally,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today. If you

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Speaker 1: have a dog, I hope you've been inspired to transfer

1914
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Speaker 1: him or her into a dear dog. And if not,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe this episode will get you infected with

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01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of puppy fever. Either way, tune back

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Speaker 1: and next week for another great show, and as always,

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Speaker 1: stayed wired to Hunt.