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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrea, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Beck now live in Ohio on a

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bowl Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Segura.

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Speaker 2: We welcome you into the dog Bowl and Burial, Ohio,

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Speaker 2: the Cross Country Mortgage Campus. I'm Jason Gibbs, and welcome

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Speaker 2: to another edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily. You're rolling your

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Speaker 2: eyes already.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't what I was opposed to do. All right,

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Speaker 3: that wasn't what it was supposed to be.

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Speaker 4: Sure you just did.

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Speaker 2: But okay, great, it's fifty seven degrees. We're in probably

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Speaker 2: the sun now. The sudden will not be down by

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Speaker 2: the time we get done. We've got team building today, buddy,

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Speaker 2: Yes we do. Oh boy, do we watch out, kids.

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Speaker 2: We're getting out of the building early today. That's right,

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Speaker 2: looking forward to it. Indeed, thanks to Ricky and the

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Speaker 2: content of Production Leadership Council, getting out early doing little

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Speaker 2: team building. Fifty seven degrees and sunny. Well it's not

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Speaker 2: sunny anymore. It was sunny as I drove here this morning,

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Speaker 2: but a little overcast. I hope you're getting out and

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Speaker 2: enjoying it. Maybe playing a little golf, a little small ball.

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Speaker 2: God knows, the girl would be throwing up an excuse

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Speaker 2: that he had to leave if if he were here.

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Speaker 2: But he's on his way home from the desert. Same

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Speaker 2: with Bishop, like ones in California, ones in Arizona, and

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Speaker 2: they're both on their way home, and they will be

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Speaker 2: back with you tomorrow and we'll have a little fun tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It's Griff Day tomorrow, maybe a little celebration of UNO's birthday,

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Speaker 2: which is on Friday. What could go wrong?

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Speaker 3: Big weekend coming up here for Griff and I like

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Speaker 3: griff Day birthday, and then we go right into and

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Speaker 3: then into the combine, like that's a lot of fun

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Speaker 2: People are people in the building, They're like, are you

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Speaker 2: darn right, I am. They've earned it. You guys have

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Speaker 2: put in all the time, all the effort in the

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Speaker 2: I think it's only right that you get to go

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Speaker 2: and experience the the craziness that is the NFL Scouting

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Speaker 2: Combine in Indianapolis. And we will be live from the

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Speaker 2: combine Tuesday Wednesday, which is also a first Friday and

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Speaker 2: Thursday from Indianapolis. General Manager Andrew Barry will join us.

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Speaker 2: Assistant GM Glenn Cook will join us. The head coach

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Speaker 2: of your Cleveland Browns, Kevin Stefanski, numerous other luminaries and

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Speaker 2: you know who they are year in and year out.

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Speaker 2: We'll be joining us from media row in Indianapolis. Looking

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Speaker 2: forward to it. Should be some good stories coming out

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Speaker 2: of the evening festivities. You heard shook yesterday on the broadcast,

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Speaker 2: and it's a big week, not only because of being

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Speaker 2: on media row and getting to talk to coach and GM,

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Speaker 2: but also it's a great information gathering session in advance

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Speaker 2: of free agency and in advance of the draft. I

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Speaker 2: don't even know who said it this morning. Oh I

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Speaker 2: know who did. Diana Russini tweeted out today. She was like,

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Speaker 2: we have the NFL combine next week in Indy and

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Speaker 2: the NFL news cycle is about to explode. Rest up, friends, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Diana throwing bombs out there already. I don't know what's

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Speaker 3: It's been pretty quiet the last couple of days, so

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Speaker 3: I think we're due for something. As we've been putting

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Speaker 3: together these shows were like there's not a lot happening

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Speaker 3: in the NFL these days.

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Speaker 2: Well, and Bo and Nathan will be doing the show

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Speaker 2: on Monday, but the three of us, in addition to

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Speaker 2: our our video crew, and Kelsey Russo, our staff writer,

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Speaker 2: The entire week rumors notes, who's going where, trades that

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Speaker 2: could possibly happen. We have had some insane things happen.

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Speaker 2: I will never forget Bo Bishop trying to stand on

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, kind of sure, kind of looked that way.

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Speaker 2: But that's what happens at the NFL Combine, And we're

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Speaker 2: looking forward to being there next Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 2: There are reports out here Deshaun Watson's gonna throw starting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw it in ours who's reporting this was from?

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Speaker 3: Oh I totally forgot hold on pulling it up right now.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, you can't have this on here and not

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Speaker 2: I have it.

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Speaker 3: Brown Zone had it, brown Zone. It was written by

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Speaker 3: excuse me USA today Jacob Roach, Browns quarterback and Sean

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Speaker 3: Watson said to resume throwing in March, which bodes well

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Mary Kay? He quotes Mary Kay. He does okay, well,

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Speaker 2: not quoting, but he says the team has said publicly

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Speaker 2: Kay cabot excuse me, first segment dry happened last yesterday,

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Speaker 2: says he will begin throwing in March. Maybe no one

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Speaker 3: Posted that picture at UCLA that he's back to work.

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Speaker 2: So and that's fine. I'm I hope that's the case.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lots expected. So let's see why

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Speaker 2: this all plays out.

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Speaker 5: And he's got time.

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Speaker 2: But earlier that he starts throwing, I think the better off.

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Speaker 2: We're all gonna feel as we get ready for this

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four season, which I don't know why you're

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Speaker 2: putting this in here other than to just make me angry.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's some more stuff in this article from Mary

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Speaker 3: other teams that they play won't be going to Brazil.

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Speaker 2: I think God hates me, and it's like, let me

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Speaker 2: give you another challenge in the coming seasons.

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Speaker 3: The Eagles want to protect all their division opponents. The

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Speaker 3: Jaguars can't because they're playing in London. The Panthers can't

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Speaker 3: because they're playing in Germany. So that eliminates all of

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Speaker 2: That eliminates five of their eight or nine home games.

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Speaker 2: Nine this year has nine home yes, ye, yeah, because

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Speaker 2: it leaves Atlanta, Green Bay, the Pukers, and US. Yes,

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Speaker 2: send green Bay. It's a mighty franchise. Jordan Love Send

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Speaker 2: the Steelers, send the Squealers. That's right, Maybe don't send

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Speaker 2: them back. I'm fine with that. Nick Paul, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: a battle of It's a battle Pennsylvania. It doesn't have

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Speaker 2: to be in Philly in Brazil. Put it in Brazil.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Pitts. The Pukers do very well with

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Speaker 2: I just had a conversation with someone about this earlier today.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen. None of us know.

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Speaker 2: I can assume that they're probably going to announce that

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Speaker 2: to do a lot of things. When we went to

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Speaker 2: you need time to do that. The problem with Brazil

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Speaker 2: is you're the guinea pig. You're the first one. I'd

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Speaker 2: me the give me Brazil. The year after London, I

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Speaker 2: already know what to expect when I go to London.

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Speaker 2: I've been to London, Germany. I've got enough teams that

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Speaker 2: when you go to Brazil. I know that that the

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Speaker 2: But I'm assuming there were events in Salpoulo, especially from

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Speaker 2: a FIFA side of things. I I it's just a lot,

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Speaker 2: Let's just put it that way. That's where I'm at.

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Speaker 2: Who knows? Ready to go?

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Speaker 5: Who know?

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Speaker 2: Don't even look at me. You have this grin on

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Speaker 2: your face. You want to live your best life on

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Speaker 2: the beach. There's no beach.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it's probably think landlocked city.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all right, Girod Cherry will join us at

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Speaker 2: two o'clock. Yeah, between you two and and Clay and Griff. Griff,

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Speaker 2: welcome back. Nice to see you could actually show up

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Speaker 2: and do some work. I'm sure I'm getting a face.

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Speaker 3: Just a wave, just a wave.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope he had a good time. So Mary

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Speaker 2: Kay says some of the reasons she listed out the

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Speaker 2: whole the fact that we're one of four that probably

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Speaker 2: make the most sense. Uh, let's see the International Games.

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Speaker 2: The Browns and Eagles have a great working relationship.

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Speaker 3: We do, that's true, the joint this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the gms know each other well. And Andrew

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Speaker 2: be there for most of the week. We're gonna practice there,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get ready for the game. It's opening week

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Speaker 2: on a Friday night. It's not later in the season.

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Speaker 3: You're the second game of the whole season.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, the following Friday is Billy, Joel and Rod

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Speaker 2: Stewart at Cleveland brown Stadium. Our grounds crew is I

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Speaker 2: would put them up against anybody in the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: But to turn around and get a stage and chairs

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Speaker 2: play forty eight less than forty eight hours later, probably

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Speaker 2: an enormous undertaking, which means you are on the road

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Speaker 2: for the first two weeks of the season. Do we

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Speaker 3: Mary kay does mention the whole billion rodder here that

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Speaker 3: second weekend. So it would be interesting if the NFL

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Speaker 3: gave the Browns two away games and won in a

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Speaker 2: Now, in twenty twenty three, four teams opened with two

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Speaker 2: straight road games Dolphins, forty nine, Ers, Packers, Raiders. In

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, three teams did, Bucks, Colts, Patriots, wouldn't

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Speaker 2: very well, and boy do we I'm not sure Brazil

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Speaker 2: is ready for Brown's nation to descend upon it. I again,

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Speaker 2: if you get arrested, it's another country. That's a whole

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Speaker 2: other problem for you. You're not exactly getting out on

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Speaker 2: bail on Monday. It's not the Muni lot, it's not

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Speaker 2: It's a big year for him. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's some in the sixth round. Donovan Peoples

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Speaker 2: Jones did all right, Maybe we can bring back DPJ.

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Speaker 2: I like DPJ. I'm missing Hope all as well. Another

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Speaker 2: question from him, what's the status and budget in parentheses

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Speaker 2: for the quarterback room. I've talked about this yesterday, and

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Speaker 2: I talked about it was Ze last week because he's like, like,

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Speaker 2: all your money's into Deshaun Watson. I was like, but

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Speaker 2: you better have a backup that is competent and good

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Speaker 2: enough to win you football games and get you into

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. I mean, we kind of showed it this year.

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Speaker 2: We had to go get we had to get Joe

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Speaker 2: Flacco off the couch. Dorian Thompson Robinson got hurt. He

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Speaker 2: showed some flashes in that Denver game before he got hurt,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, he's you're hoping that DTR can

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Speaker 2: take that next step. But if not, or you're not

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Speaker 2: feeling comfortable and you want three quarterbacks, how much are

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Speaker 2: you willing to spend?

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Speaker 7: I think whenever you're looking at it from the standpoint

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Speaker 7: of exactly what you just said, Gibbs, I mean, we

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Speaker 7: had to go get Joe Flacco and he was our

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Speaker 7: fourth quarterback that we had, you know, for this year.

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Speaker 7: But in order to make the playoffs, you need to

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Speaker 7: have that veteran presence. So I love DTR as well.

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Speaker 7: I love his skill set. I think that he is

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Speaker 7: going to be a player for us, you know, down

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Speaker 7: the road, and whether that's in the backup role as

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Speaker 7: the number two or you know, who knows, you know,

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Speaker 7: who knows what happens. But I feel like you need

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Speaker 7: to have that veteran presence there, especially for this playoff squad.

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Speaker 7: So if there's a guy out there that you know

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Speaker 7: is looking to just try and revive his career at

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Speaker 7: any point in time, maybe you take a look at him.

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Speaker 2: And again you're looking at contracts. I mean, j Okay

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Speaker 2: needs to get a contract extension, probably coming off the

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Speaker 2: best year of his career. He's in the final year

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Speaker 2: of his deal. Greg Newsom's in the final year right now.

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Speaker 2: We can pick up the fifth year option and the

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Speaker 2: fifth year options fully guaranteed. Like, that's a lot of

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Speaker 2: money too.

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Speaker 3: M j Emerson isn't far from getting paid. This is

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Speaker 3: already year three for him. He's a third round pick,

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Speaker 3: so it's only a four year deal.

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Speaker 2: Yep. So that gets brought up another big question, the

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Speaker 2: future of the offensive tackle position. Jed Wills on his

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Speaker 2: fifth year option this year worth almost fifteen million. Conklin

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Speaker 2: recovering from his second major knee injury, I mean, Dwan

478
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Speaker 2: Jones working his way back from surgery. Same with Jed

479
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Speaker 2: James Hudson entering the final year of his rookie deal.

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Speaker 2: A lot of questions at that tackle spot. I mean,

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Speaker 2: and you think you know what you have with Dwan Jones,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Cochlan's been banged up a ton and Jed

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Speaker 2: Jed's another one of those guys. I think that's in

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Speaker 2: an approved year. Yeah you got because he show up

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Speaker 2: and show up.

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Speaker 3: I think Jed was really getting into form right before

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Speaker 3: he got injured or some of like his He was

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Speaker 3: stacking some good performances and I think the injury really

489
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Speaker 3: derailed that for him because then he was supposed to

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Speaker 3: come back and he didn't, and it was just the

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Speaker 3: setbacks were tough for him. I think he's got a

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Speaker 3: chance to bounce back pretty well because I saw you

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Speaker 3: saw the flashes coming for him.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely uh. And then the budget for a for veteran

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Speaker 2: experience and specifically for special teams, I have to find

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Speaker 2: out Saki free agent, Anthony Walker, junior free agent, Michael

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Speaker 2: and Nick Harris, Corey Bjorkez free agent. Out of those

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Speaker 2: names that you just mentioned, who do you think is

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Speaker 2: the biggest priority. I love a guy like TAKEI who

501
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Speaker 2: battled back from an awful injury and beat the odds

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Speaker 2: and came back early. I like him from a leadership standpoint,

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Speaker 2: what he can do on defense, what he gives you

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Speaker 2: on special teams. That would probably be the leader of

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Speaker 2: that group that I just mentioned. I like Bejorquez too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's done a fine job. But I

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Speaker 2: I look at Bejorquez and I go, is that a

508
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Speaker 2: salary cap number. Is that a number that they're like,

509
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Speaker 2: we need to be under. And I don't know what

510
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Speaker 2: Corey Bejorkeez is gonna want. Money wise, I like Corey Borgis.

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Speaker 2: I like all these guys. I love Awok, but Awak's

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Speaker 2: had some season ending injuries.

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Speaker 7: See I would say I would love to have a

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Speaker 7: Walk back. And obviously, like you said, all of these

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Speaker 7: guys have been fantastic for us. My issue with a

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Speaker 7: Walk is the injuries and it just keeps happening every

517
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Speaker 7: single year, and it's just awful because I think he

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Speaker 7: is truly is that leader that really runs the show

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Speaker 7: on that defense. And I know Miles is out there

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Speaker 7: and he grew so amazingly into that leadership role this year,

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Speaker 7: but a Walk is still that green dot out there.

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Speaker 2: He's so good. It's I feel like they could bring

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Speaker 2: Dunn back, probably Nick Harris too, probably for a lower

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Speaker 2: number for a year, maybe two years. I think that

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Speaker 2: they could bring them back. I mean Dustin Hopkins, I

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Speaker 2: love d hop schedule to make three million. Is that

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Speaker 2: a guy that they look at and now does it

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Speaker 2: sound like a lot, But you're bringing You're bringing him back?

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Speaker 2: You better bring I need him back. He's a good

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Speaker 2: human being and he's a hell of a kicker on

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Speaker 2: the special teams front. Mike Ford, Matt Adams one year

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Speaker 2: deals like defensive Tackles, Shelby, Harris Mohurst. All those guys

533
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Speaker 2: were one year deals. I mean, there's there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of contracts that our people have to figure out what

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Speaker 2: they're going to do so and how much do you

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Speaker 2: want to spend at certain positions, what's your evaluation on

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Speaker 2: certain positions? A couple other things from around the sports world.

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Speaker 2: Anybody watched the All Star Game? Unfortunately?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I had it on on like a secondary

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Speaker 3: screen for a little bit and turned it off very quickly.

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Speaker 2: All right. This year's NBA All Star Game generated a

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Speaker 2: healthy audience of five point five million viewers. It's up

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Speaker 2: twenty percent from last year's NBA All Star Game. According

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Speaker 2: to sportsmediawatch dot com, the NFL's Pro Bowl games, which

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00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: have morphed into a flight football game combined with skills competitions,

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Speaker 2: outdrew the NBA All Star Game five point seventy nine,

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Speaker 2: so just a little bit more, but still out drew it.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks before the NBA All Star Game, MLB had

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Speaker 2: the most watched All Star game with seven million views

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Speaker 2: last summer. Although that is far below what the Midsummer

551
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Speaker 2: Classic used to.

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Speaker 3: Have, Baseball still has the best one in terms of

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Speaker 3: like it's least it's at least still a baseball game,

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Speaker 3: and it still feels like the players want to play baseball.

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Speaker 3: Whereas the NBA All Star Game that I watched, it

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Speaker 3: was just who can shoot the most three pointers and

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Speaker 3: hope they make them. Not a lot of defense, no,

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Speaker 3: Like I've seen nice defensive plays in the MLB All

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Speaker 3: Star Game where you wouldn't see that, Like, no one's

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Speaker 3: going for the steal in the in the NBA All Right?

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Speaker 2: Which All Star Who? No, you asked this? Which All

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Speaker 2: Star event is the coolest home run derby, three point contest,

563
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Speaker 2: dunk contest, no dodgeball.

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Speaker 3: For the NFL, I put it, et cetera because I

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Speaker 3: could not think of anymore.

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Speaker 2: Whatever the skills challenges are that they're throwing out there,

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Speaker 2: I prefer the I at least watched the NBA All

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Speaker 2: Star Saturday night. I was entertained by that.

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Speaker 3: I liked the Steph Curry, Sabrina Ey and Escu three

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Speaker 3: point shootout that was it was really well done, and

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Speaker 3: like credit to Sabrina because she outscored most of the

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Speaker 3: other guys except for stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was amazing, Like it was. It was awesome

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Speaker 2: to watch. Like, but you're gonna get that every year

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Speaker 2: on All Star Saturday Night, the home run Derby whatever,

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Speaker 2: they've changed the rules on it. It's a bunch of

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Speaker 2: people hitting.

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Speaker 3: I don't like the new rules.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate hiking. Don't take time outs, Like, what

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Speaker 2: the hell is that correct? To recompose yourself. It's a

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Speaker 2: home run derby. Man, it's either going out or it's

582
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Speaker 2: not going out.

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Speaker 3: It was cooler when go could do a home run

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Speaker 3: derby and hit zero because like actually made for some drama.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't want to be the guy that hit zero.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, home run derby, you know what

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Speaker 2: that's good for screwing up your swing in the second

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Speaker 2: half of the season because you just start that's all

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Speaker 2: you're trying to do. Get you out of whack. It happens.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I like NBA All Stars Saturday Night,

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Speaker 2: the All Star Game. I know they're not going to

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Speaker 2: play any defense. They're not playing any defense in regular

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Speaker 2: season games.

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Speaker 3: This was I mean, I thought it was noticeably different.

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Speaker 2: That's what I heard. Everybody's like, how do you fix it?

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Speaker 2: You don't like you just I just read it. Viewership's up.

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Speaker 2: What did I say? Yeah, I mean they're doing something right,

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Speaker 2: you know. It's it's like the NFL scoring. You want

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Speaker 2: to see scoring, that's and that's what you got. So

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Speaker 2: that's a little bit about there's not really anything going

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Speaker 2: on around the league either. Is there anything The Guardians

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00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: are in camp? Is it first full squad of workout yesterday?

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Speaker 4: I think so?

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Speaker 2: Sad.

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Speaker 3: Spring training starts real soon here. It's exciting for some

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Speaker 3: of us.

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Speaker 2: Hey Man, Cardinals have set up in Florida. I'll be

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Speaker 2: down there in a couple of weeks. So there's that.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's look around the sports world. Coming up next,

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Speaker 2: we continue our position reviews. We talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: about the safety position to Cherry joins us at two o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Coming up in our two you also hear from Matt

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Speaker 2: Miller from ESPN. We talk a little mock draft madness

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Speaker 2: pre combine Daniel Jeremiah with his first mock draft out.

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Speaker 2: We'll react to that and a few other mocks that

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Speaker 2: are making their way around the NFL landscape. I'm Jason Gibbs.

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Speaker 2: down a little position recap from the twenty twenty three season.

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Speaker 2: Today a look at safeties. That's why Gerard will join

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Speaker 2: us because he played safety before I start there. So

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Speaker 2: Justin Fields is on with the Saint Brown Brothers on

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Speaker 2: the thirty thirteen, and he was asked why he unfollowed

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Speaker 2: the Bears and anything to do with the Bears. Man,

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Speaker 2: why do people take social media so serious? I still

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Speaker 2: mess with the Bears. I'm just trying to take a

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Speaker 2: little break. I unfollowed the Bears in the NFL. I'm

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Speaker 2: not just trying to have football on my timeline.

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Speaker 3: Answer, all right, but it's a good answer.

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Speaker 2: The only problem, Justin is I don't know if anybody's

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Speaker 2: buying what you're selling. So there's that. That being said,

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Speaker 2: Let's go on to our safety room. The Bears have

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Speaker 2: their own issues, boy do they. We can talk a

648
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: little bit about the Brown safety room. However, safety is

649
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: on the roster for twenty twenty four at the strong

650
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: safety spot. Grant Delpit de Anthony Bell. The free safeties

651
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: that are back, Juan Thornhill, Ronnie Hickman, everybody else is

652
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: a free agent. Rodney McLeod Deron Harmon. I believe Tanner

653
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: McAllister is also a free agent.

654
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: He is.

655
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: He just signed a futures contract with Denver.

656
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: Okay, he's gone. Well then, he's definitely not available. Rodney

657
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 2: McLeod signed a one year deal for the twenty twenty

658
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: three season, was set to bring in a veteran presence

659
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: and depth to the secondary. He played ten games before

660
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: McLoud was placed on injury reserve with a biceps injury

661
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: in November that required surgery ending his season. Finished with

662
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: one pass defended, twenty nine total tackles, sixteen solo tackles,

663
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: and two tackles for a loss. I would also tell

664
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: you he was a coach on the sideline and really

665
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: helped bring along some of these younger guys, especially as

666
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: we got into December and all of a sudden, we

667
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: were playing the third string safeties on this football team.

668
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: So McLeod was a great leader behind the scenes, a

669
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: great leader of the defense, a leader in that room,

670
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: and just a really good guy. I hope the Browns

671
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: can find a way to bring him back. Durn Harmon

672
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: was a great addition to this football team. First signed

673
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: to the Browns practice squad in November before he was

674
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 2: signed to the active roster in December, added some depth

675
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: to that secondary, much needed depth to that brown secondary.

676
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: Harmon played four game games with the Browns during the

677
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: regular season, had one interception, two passes defended, sixteen total tackles,

678
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: three for a loss, one QB hit.

679
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: I believe he got his first career sack this season too.

680
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: I think that was the point we talked about.

681
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 2: He did Nathan zigirl with that stat in the middle

682
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: of the game. We had waited for it. I can't

683
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: remember what game that was. He had a big sack,

684
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: though it was in a big moment in the game.

685
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: It was like in the third quarter, fourth quarter of

686
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: a game, and he gave He gave you some great minutes.

687
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: So two veteran safeties. Not sure what will happen there

688
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: from a free agency standpoint, but your safety room right

689
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: now has four guys in it. You're gonna need a

690
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 2: few more bodies. Grant Delpit, the Anthony Bell One, Thornhill,

691
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: Ronnie Hickman. The problem is Thornhill battled injuries all season long,

692
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: only played in eleven games, and it was on and again,

693
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: off again. I remember he missed the first week of

694
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,479
Speaker 2: the season and then he missed an another game where

695
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: he like that hamstring issue that had bothered him and

696
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: plagued him all season long, reared it's ugly head warming

697
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: up thirty minutes before kick.

698
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Speaker 3: I think he was active in the games as an

699
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: active player, but yep, reaggravated.

700
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: It was literally scratched in the time from the time

701
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 2: they went to the locker room to the time where

702
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: they kicked off, like a twenty minute stretch.

703
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: Kept bothering them the whole year. And it sucks for

704
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: thorn Hill because I don't think we saw the full

705
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 3: version of him at one time this year.

706
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Speaker 2: Correct, Correct, And he's a guy that again he's he's

707
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: like that quarterback on defense. He's putting guys in the

708
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: right positions to make plays. And one's a great leader

709
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: and a lot you know, we talk about a lot

710
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: being expected of some guys. I mean, here's a guy

711
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: that a lot's going to be expected of want Thornhill

712
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: here in twenty twenty four, especially with the the you know,

713
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: the teams that were going to play and they're and

714
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: their ability to throw the football. So he already played

715
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: an eleven games. Grant delp had played in thirteen games,

716
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: and I'm going to tell you right now, Grant Delpitt

717
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 2: was on pace to make the Pro Bowl before ending

718
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: his season on ir eighty tackles three passes, defense, seven

719
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Speaker 2: tackles for a loss, one and a half sacks, an interception,

720
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: also had a fumble recovery if I'm correct on that.

721
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: I think we talked about that before the show.

722
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he also had the game. Yeah, Denzel forced it

723
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 3: and Grant picked it up.

724
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: Grand Delbot was playing at a ridiculously high level when

725
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: he got hurt, and I thought he was definitely trending

726
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: toward a Pro Bowl. Nod with the way that he

727
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: was playing, came into his own got rewarded with a

728
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: contract extension if you remember, signed his contract extension on Saturday,

729
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: got hurt, got put on IR for the rest of

730
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: the season on Sundays, how it goes in the National

731
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: Football League. But Delbitt was working as high and end

732
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: off to get back, and had we had a second

733
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: playoff game, I think Grant Delbot would have been playing

734
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: in that football game. I actually have no doubt that

735
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 2: he would have been playing at some point in that

736
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: football game. Maybe not at one hundred percent, but he

737
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: put in as much work as anybody throughout the season

738
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: to try and get back to help this football team

739
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: because he knew how important his presence was on this team.

740
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: The Anthony Bell had some good moments. Ronnie Hickman as

741
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: a rookie undrafted out of the Ohio State University ten games,

742
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 2: four starts, played a lot on special teams, picked six

743
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: in the Jets game, which was an unbelievable play. Three

744
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: passes defense, twenty five tackles. Guy that really made his

745
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: mark and did so again not only on the defensive

746
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: side of the football, but also on special teams. And

747
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: it's a real gem and a real find for Andrew

748
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 2: Barry and company to be able to sign a guy

749
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: who was undrafted, get him to come here and make

750
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: the plays that he did down the stretch to help

751
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: this team, especially as basically the third string say enough

752
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: can't be said about him. And I think that, you know,

753
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: he can take that next step and really become a

754
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: top flight safety in the National Football League. He's got

755
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: a ton of potential, no question about it. You know,

756
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions with this group, you know,

757
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to Jia Cherry about that coming up

758
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: in just a little bit. I'd be remiss if I

759
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: didn't talk about the Anthony Bell twenty eight tackles, two interceptions,

760
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: four tackles for a loss, forced fumble, three passes defensed,

761
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: the Anthony Belt just makes plays.

762
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 3: Maybe the biggest interception of the whole season in the

763
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: Bears game to win that game.

764
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean instead of knocking it down, we played

765
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: volleyball with it, which wasn't ideal.

766
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if he doesn't pick that, who knows where

767
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: that ball ends up. And he does a nice job

768
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 3: to just take it away so that the Bears don't

769
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: even have a chance.

770
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Speaker 2: So, I mean, that's where you stand with regards to that.

771
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: For more on this Brown safety room, our first year

772
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 2: safety's coach, efrom Banda and Ze got together. We aired

773
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: it was almost a twenty minute interview last Friday. I

774
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: want to play a little clip of this. This is

775
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: talking about this safety room from this past season and

776
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: Banda's thoughts banded by the way Good Golfer saw him

777
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: at the IX Center golf show Friday, looking forward to

778
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: that playing a little small ball with the safety's coach

779
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: for your Cleveland Browns. Here's e from Banda with Nathan Zigara.

780
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 8: So for you personally, what's something that you were really

781
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 8: proud of that you were able to do in your

782
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 8: first year as a position coach in the National Football League?

783
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 9: Probably the most proud for me moment or timeframe was when,

784
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 9: you know, when I remember walking into the training room

785
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 9: right before December, right around that thick of the season,

786
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 9: and seeing Rod laying on the table, lan Thornhill laying

787
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 9: on the other table, and then Grant Delpit laying on

788
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 9: the table, and I just remember how important that part

789
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 9: of the season was for our team and just knowing that,

790
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 9: you know, we had to come through as a group

791
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 9: without those three guys, and to see the other guys

792
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 9: step in and really just in my opinion, just pick

793
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 9: up where they left off, like coach, you know, like

794
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 9: Kevin says, next man up, and we did that, you know,

795
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 9: all all everyone chipped in, everybody. So really most proud

796
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 9: of that part of the season, you know, to to

797
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 9: really help this group, this team, everyone in this building

798
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 9: get to the playoffs despite having those three guys laying

799
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 9: on the training room table. Had a really tough, really

800
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 9: important part of the year. So probably the most proud

801
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 9: moment was that that just being able to come through

802
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 9: for our team as a group, for for this team was.

803
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 5: Was was rewarding.

804
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean you think about that four game winning

805
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 8: streak that really put this team into the playoffs, and

806
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 8: you think about in Houston, Doran gets a pick. You

807
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 8: think about the Bears, d Anthony gets the pick that

808
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 8: seals the game in one of the craziest plays that

809
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 8: was full of ups and downs all in one play

810
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 8: at the end of Chicago game. And then Ronnie gets

811
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 8: to pick six that sets things off Thursday night against

812
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 8: the Jets. I mean, you can't tell that story without

813
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 8: those guys. And you know, in the case of really

814
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 8: all three of them probably not expected to really play

815
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 8: this year, no, and that.

816
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 9: Was the thing, you know, but I will say this too,

817
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 9: you know, I thought, I thought Jim did a great job.

818
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 9: I remember one of his very first ever defensive meetings

819
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 9: when the roster was set, he told everyone in that

820
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 9: room that they were going to play.

821
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 8: And I remember sitting in the back, like, you.

822
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 9: Know, rookie NFL coach, like everybody, and he was like, yeah, everybody.

823
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 9: And they all played and they all had to contribute

824
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 9: in that room to help get to where we're going

825
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 9: to go, which is why it's so important to make

826
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 9: sure that you go into the season with the right

827
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 9: people like ab and his staff did, and fill the

828
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 9: roster and fill this team with the right people, because

829
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 9: you're gonna have to count on them all. And I'll

830
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 9: never forget that lesson that Jim Tattas and that on

831
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 9: that day, and it wound up coming true. So it

832
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 9: was fun to see those guys come come, you know,

833
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 9: with the right mindset and prepare for that moment, which

834
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 9: is what they did all year.

835
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Speaker 8: Because it was a very magical season. It was a

836
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 8: fun season. But as he pointed out, you know, Rod

837
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 8: and Grant didn't get to participate late into the season,

838
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 8: Wan got banged up as it went on. So I'm

839
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 8: sure there's a lot of hunger there for you working

840
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 8: with kind of that diverse group where you mentioned at

841
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 8: various points you had a thirteen year veteran, a twelve

842
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 8: year veteran, You got guys in their prime, and you

843
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 8: had the young guys who came in. Was that fun

844
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 8: to kind of see, maybe not only as a coach,

845
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 8: but just to kind of as an observer in that room,

846
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 8: see the interactions between the guys who had done it

847
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 8: for a decade and then the guys who were just

848
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 8: getting going.

849
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Speaker 9: You bring up a great point, and I brought this

850
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Speaker 9: up to the I think I put it in my

851
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 9: ind of the year notes. Yes, we had success when

852
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 9: those guys went down, But the part that I think

853
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 9: no one in the building really got to see was

854
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 9: the the decisions that were made to bring in guys

855
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 9: like Doron Harmon and Rodney McLeod and even.

856
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Speaker 2: One and Grant who were down.

857
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Speaker 9: You know, those guys really wrapped their arms around those

858
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 9: young guys and helped the room get through that tough time.

859
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Speaker 9: And you know, Dorn was playing, which was good, but

860
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 9: he was still a thirteen year vet that was able

861
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Speaker 9: to kind of really help. He sat next to d

862
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 9: Bell the entire year when he got here and really

863
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Speaker 9: helped coach him through you know, those important games. And

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Speaker 9: rod who, like I've told you a million times, is

865
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Speaker 9: just a second coach in that room for me, was there,

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Speaker 9: you know, and and was present throughout the whole period

867
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Speaker 9: of that stretch. And those guys were amazing for those

868
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Speaker 9: young guys helping him through wand every meeting. You know,

869
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Speaker 9: Grant fighting his butt off to get back, which is

870
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Speaker 9: probably the biggest disappointment for me, was just not giving

871
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Speaker 9: Grant that chance to play a game which is gonna

872
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Speaker 9: fuel us, you know, moving forward.

873
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Speaker 2: No doubt.

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Speaker 8: And again it was a great season, special player, special moments,

875
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Speaker 8: and the hunger is still there at Burns because we

876
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Speaker 8: didn't accomplish eltimate. Only one team gets to do that

877
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Speaker 8: every single year.

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Speaker 2: That is Ephrom Banda with our own Nathan Zigura. For

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Speaker 2: that full interview, make sure you go to Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 2: Browns to catch that interview almost twenty minutes long, to

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Speaker 2: recap the entire season in that safety room and that defense.

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Speaker 2: Also to talk about e from Banda's experience as the

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator down at the Senior Bowls as he had

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Speaker 2: a big role in that, and a guy that could

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Speaker 2: help this Browns front office as they get closer to

887
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Speaker 2: the draft because he's seen most of those guys on

888
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Speaker 2: that defensive side of the football. So a real plus

889
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Speaker 2: to have coach Banda down at the Senior Bowl with us,

890
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Speaker 2: and of course to have him on our staff. We'll

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Speaker 2: take a quick time out when we come back. Girod

892
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Speaker 2: Cherry joins me. We talk a little bit about the

893
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Speaker 2: safety room, about the defense as a whole, and I'm

894
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Speaker 2: sure we'll talk about Brazil because he's constantly texting me

895
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Speaker 2: NonStop about it. He's so excited and the combine. You're

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Speaker 2: the heck are you?

910
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Speaker 5: I am doing EXCELLENTE give ao.

911
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: I'm doing alright. I'm doing all right. Are you getting

912
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 2: any downtime? Any vacations planned anytime soon?

913
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 3: Nah?

914
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: Man?

915
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 5: My vacation is gonna be about four or five months

916
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 5: from now. We're in Brazil. That's my vacation plan. Not

917
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 5: all kidding.

918
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: No, No, well, let's say just lost it in the

919
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: other room. Uno is dying. Lad, he goes, you know

920
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: what this is gonna lead to. This is gonna be

921
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: a whole conversation. I go into Brazil, no doubt about it.

922
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 5: But no, man, I haven't had anything playing yet, which

923
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 5: makes no sense, Jay, because it was a seven month

924
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 5: bender and at some point I really need to sit

925
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 5: down and say, Okay, a week off, at least a week,

926
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 5: because what I end up doing every year is having

927
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 5: ample amount of leftover vacation time because I just don't

928
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 5: take vacations. I don't know why I do this, but

929
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 5: I do it.

930
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: No, and normally I taken a couple by now, and

931
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: it's just, you know, we just haven't done it. And

932
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 2: we're headed south here in a couple of weeks once

933
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: the combine wraps up finally. But I'm like, my, like,

934
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: you got to take your vacation, and I'm like, I know,

935
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: but what am I gonna do? Am I gonna sit

936
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: inside and just watch the cloudiness? Like if I'm taking

937
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: time off, I want to go somewhere.

938
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Speaker 10: Yeah, And That's what I'm debating on too. Where am

939
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 10: I going to go exactly exactly all right? So I

940
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 10: know obviously you're on board with this whole Brazil thing.

941
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 10: How could you not be because we're the we're the

942
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 10: guinea pigs.

943
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: Good like.

944
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: I don't like, I don't like this. I love it,

945
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: all right? Would you what what's the difference? Like, I

946
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: know Salpolo is like a landlocked part of the country

947
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: in the city, but differences between that and Rio.

948
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 5: Major difference. One like you just describe one of bigger

949
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 5: city and that you got twenty six million plus that

950
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Speaker 5: you're dealing with in South Paolo. And then obviously Rio's

951
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 5: on a beach and you got Coco Cabana Beach and that's.

952
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: I think that's a bad, bad situation and what that represents.

953
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 2: But we won't be there.

954
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 5: We'll be in South Paulo exactly, so we'll we'll be

955
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 5: good there. But anywhere go, you're gonna be in Brazil,

956
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 5: you can't go wrong. And one thing I can tell

957
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 5: you about Brazilians because I know a few, then when

958
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 5: they do things you do, they do it big. And

959
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 5: when it comes to like putting on a show, they

960
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 5: put on a show. So yes, we could potentially be

961
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 5: the guinea pig. But I'm telling you the in rows

962
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 5: of that would make from a fan based standpoint and

963
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 5: making in rows to that will be tremendous because I

964
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 5: can tell you that they watch American football. You have

965
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Speaker 5: a huge population of Brazilians that live in the Boston

966
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Speaker 5: area in the South Florida area who are Dolphins and

967
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 5: Patriots fans. So why not stavage ourselves and become South

968
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 5: Polo's team, especially if we win the game. So that's

969
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 5: how they would rolled with it, and you could have

970
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 5: that influx of people come to see us play. But

971
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 5: more importantly than anything though, the food's incredible, the people

972
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,959
Speaker 5: are incredible. You'd have a great time.

973
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: Man.

974
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 5: It's just something to say that you went to Brazil.

975
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: Uh yeah. That would not be on the Bengo card.

976
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: That would be something a little bit different. Gerra Cherry

977
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: joints us here on the Twisted Tea Hotline. Uh yeah.

978
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 2: I think it's from that point and the fact you

979
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: don't have to go to Philly, which is not an

980
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: easy place to play. And as I mentioned earlier, they

981
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: hate everybody so that they do.

982
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 5: And we went there for preseasons, so we've kind of

983
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 5: got a taste of that, and you know what I'm

984
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 5: all about. I'm all about going somewhere to eat. So

985
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 5: with that being said, oh, we got to expand on horizons. Literally, Hey,

986
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 5: I love any kind of cuisine, no doubt. Yeah, we've

987
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 5: established and I believe you established that on the Season

988
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 5: and Review show. I thought that was the.

989
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 11: Meal of the year in Houston's so funny man, because

990
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 11: you asked me, was my biggest personal movie?

991
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 8: I was thinking.

992
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: I was thinking of game highlight, a game moment on

993
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: the sideline, the Jets game, something like that. Nope, Nope,

994
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 2: it was the meal at Masters, which was a legendary night,

995
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: but uh especially became because not only do we have

996
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: an amazing meal, but peaked behind the curtain, we came

997
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: in six dollars under what we were budgeted for.

998
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 5: Which is amazing.

999
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: I given the amount of food that was consumed, stunning

1000
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: that that actually happened.

1001
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 5: And we all had the same reaction. More, why did

1002
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 5: I do that to myself?

1003
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 12: Wow?

1004
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, Luckily the team didn't eat there the night before.

1005
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 5: Yea, the slow motion, no doubt about it. I wish,

1006
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 5: I wish that Texas would ate their on the playoff game.

1007
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 5: We might be still having the conversation right now about

1008
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 5: the Browns. But it is what it is, man. But no, Man,

1009
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 5: I heard you, Nathan and Bo talking about the Brazil piece,

1010
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I'm about to call in. These dudes

1011
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 5: are tripping. How they not for this?

1012
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: I think it's just it's I think it's the unknown.

1013
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: I think it's the whole. You want to be like

1014
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: you want to be the second game in Brazil?

1015
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 5: You don't.

1016
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: You don't want to be the first.

1017
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 5: You just want to be there. Dog, I'm just gonna

1018
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 5: tell you, just want to be there.

1019
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: All right.

1020
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 5: It's gonna be one of the season and it's not

1021
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 5: even gonna be hot there, so they're basically it'll be there,

1022
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 5: so we'll be in fall right at that around of time,

1023
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 5: coming out of summer, so it'll be basically their spring. Okay, yeah,

1024
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 5: some won't be blazing hot or anything like that because

1025
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 5: they they're opposite of us. When it's winter here, it's

1026
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 5: summer there, and when it's fall there, it's spring here.

1027
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, I can get I can

1028
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: get with that then, because I was thinking, man, this

1029
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: is it warm? I know it's like, isn't it like

1030
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: a nine hour flight.

1031
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 5: Oh, it's a long flight.

1032
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a twelve twelve hour flight. Twelve twelve hour flight.

1033
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: It's a long flight. You can do it. Maybe trying

1034
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 2: to will nine hours with our pilot, it could be nine.

1035
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 5: Oh, I promise you'll be nine, if not eight.

1036
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: Our pilots are very good at getting us very quickly

1037
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: to certain places. All right, enough about Brazil, Let's talk

1038
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: a little bit about this safety room and the twenty

1039
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: twenty three season. Gered and throughout the season again injuries

1040
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: taking their toll, taking out Thornhill, taken out Delpit, taking

1041
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: out Roddy McCleod, and then all of a sudden you're

1042
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: playing Ronnie Hickman and de Anthony Bell and Doron. Harmon's

1043
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: backing them up in December meaningful football games. And not

1044
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: only do the youngins hold their own, but they they

1045
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: made it known that they're going to be a force

1046
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: to be reckoned with.

1047
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 5: Oh, they certainly did. That's the assessment that I would give,

1048
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 5: and what I walked away from was that we have

1049
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 5: something to most teams beg for it. I don't care

1050
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 5: what the position group is, and that's depth. Those guys,

1051
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 5: Harmon and Hickman goat and Bell. Obviously in Harmon's been

1052
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 5: a veteran's veteran, but Bell in particular in Hickman, they

1053
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 5: got ample in my experience, Jay on games that actually

1054
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 5: counted and meant something, and they stepped up, showed up,

1055
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 5: and showed out. So if you are a Brown supporter,

1056
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 5: and if you're the coaching staff and as well as

1057
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 5: the scouting department, and you're saying yourself, one thing that

1058
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 5: we know that we have is a deep secondary, especially

1059
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 5: at the safety position. Because you obviously got veterans in

1060
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 5: Thornhill and delp It and what that represents. But having

1061
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 5: the experience of Bill and Hickman got that is tremendous.

1062
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, if they're up for free

1063
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 5: agency right now, it'd be fair to say they get

1064
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 5: some suitors Jay, because of the experience that they got.

1065
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's I mean to find I talked about

1066
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: it in the last segment. To get Ronnie Hickman, to

1067
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 2: have Ronnie Hickman go undrafted and the Browns to convince him, hey,

1068
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: come come here, come to rookie Minichamp, Let's see what

1069
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: you got. And then from there he just took off.

1070
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he had a great veteran mini camp and

1071
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: then all the way through the off season program and

1072
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 2: it translated into the preseason where Ronnie Hickman got a

1073
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 2: ton of playing time. If you remember taking the first

1074
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: hick there, Yeah, in the first three games, because remember

1075
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: we had four preseason games. He had a ton of

1076
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: playing time and he made plays all over the field.

1077
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Speaker 2: And you know what, you get the Anthony Bell, same

1078
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: thing the Anthony Bell. All the guy does is make plays, right.

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Speaker 5: And that's the part again where you already have doping

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Speaker 5: in thorn Hill obviously peels it in that they're going

1081
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 5: to be your starters, but they have those type of

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01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 5: guys getting that type of play, and we already know

1083
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 5: that schwartzle likes the employ of three safety rotation as well.

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01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 5: They don't walk out there blind. They have been in

1085
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 5: playoff football games. Jay, that is huge. And for the

1086
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 5: confidence standpoint, you don't think Bell and Hickman right now

1087
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 5: are singing themselves I can do this. Of course they are,

1088
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 5: and they should be saying this because you know what

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Speaker 5: they did. They did do this.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely they should be pushing for time here in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. I mean, the biggest key to me is

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01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 2: keeping this room healthy exactly. I mean, Thornhill battled injuries,

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01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: you know, the hamstring all season long kept him just

1094
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 2: to eleven games. Delpit was thirteen games in, signed his

1095
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 2: contract extension, and boom, just bad luck. Got hurt. The

1096
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: next day I r and he did everything he could

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Speaker 2: to come back, and I think as we played a

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Speaker 2: second postseason game, he would have been back. But I

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Speaker 2: mean a lot expected of those two guys in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. I mean Delpit especially, who I really felt

1101
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Speaker 2: like started to turn the corner prior to him getting hurt.

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01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: He was playing at a pro bowl level.

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Speaker 5: I think about how j Oka was playing right and

1104
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 5: what that represented, how he took that step. Grant was

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01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 5: doing the same thing, doing exact same thing. So much

1106
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 5: so think about the lack of activity he was starting

1107
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 5: to get from teams just simply say, you know what,

1108
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 5: We're gonna leave you alone, we're gonna avoid you, We're

1109
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 5: not even gonna come in your ear. It was like

1110
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 5: Denzel war treatment. He was starting to get where you

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01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 5: wouldn't see tight ends being thrown too, and they were

1112
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 5: not running in his direction. And year prior they were

1113
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 5: trying him to see what he could do. So yes,

1114
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 5: he was certainly headed down that path of a Pro

1115
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 5: Bowl Caliver season. Then it went awry, and it does

1116
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 5: from a time and standpoint, absolutely suck. When you sign

1117
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 5: a new contract in the next next day, you get

1118
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 5: hurt and you're out for the rest of the season.

1119
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about it. Gerard Cherry joins us on

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 2: the Twisted T hard iced Tea hotline, and Gerard, obviously

1121
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: the key to this room is staying healthy. Is Grant

1122
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: delp At one of the top five players on this

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01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: defense right now?

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01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess said fo shallowed out And if and

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Speaker 5: if I were to label him and list him right now,

1126
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 5: I would definitely obviously start with the defensive player year

1127
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 5: and that being Miles Guest, and then you got Denzel

1128
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Speaker 5: Ward and then from there, I'm gonna go with j Oka,

1129
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 5: then Emerson, and I throw delpit in there. That would

1130
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 5: be I would say those are probably guys. You can

1131
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 5: obviously can make an argument for Thomason as well, but

1132
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 5: I was am I forgetting someone from a top five

1133
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 5: the top five standpoint?

1134
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: Probably not? I don't think so. I mean, it's I

1135
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 2: think he is, and especially with what Jim Schwartz likes

1136
01:03:54,920 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 2: to do right exactly. So here's my question. Is it

1137
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 2: easier to upgrade this position or it's not necessarily upgrading

1138
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: it as you gotta have the reinforcements. I'd love to

1139
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 2: have Rodney McCloud back, but I don't know what Rodney

1140
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: McLeod's number is, right, Yeah, And now you gotta start

1141
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: crunching numbers because you got a lot of big contracts

1142
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: and a lot of people that you gotta pay big

1143
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: money to.

1144
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 13: Well.

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01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 5: I love what we have obviously in Thornhill, Delpit, Hickman,

1146
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 5: and Bell, but if you can bring back a harmon,

1147
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 5: if you can bring back Rodney McLeod for content, duty's

1148
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 5: sake and the fact that this that experience with a

1149
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 5: guy who's been there and done that more so than

1150
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 5: the other guys, and just that safety vow because we

1151
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 5: saw that we needed it, and it's gonna be the

1152
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 5: hardest prior position on this team next coming up season.

1153
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 5: Not next season, but this upcoming season will be safety.

1154
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 5: Who's gonna crack that code, Who's gonna break into that room?

1155
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 5: And all of a sudden it be that pleasant surprise.

1156
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 5: I mean, Hickman was this past season, but that's a

1157
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 5: if I'm if I'm an undrafted free agent, there's no

1158
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 5: way I'm coming here.

1159
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, you're right. And that's that's where maybe late

1160
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: late in the draft, the Browns with seven picks probably

1161
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: attack the safety position or undrafted guys or guys that

1162
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: later on get an invitation to the to the offseason

1163
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 2: workouts and to training camp, and let's see who can

1164
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 2: make that make that jump and maybe get into that room.

1165
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: More important, more important this year this offseason reboosting the

1166
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: defensive end room or replenishing that defensive tackle spot. I mean,

1167
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: you got three guys on the defensive tackles spots that

1168
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: are free agents that sign one year deals, and and

1169
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 2: then at defensive end you know, not sure what Zidarius

1170
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 2: is gonna do, but that would be a big hole

1171
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: to fill as well. But you get you have some

1172
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: guys still at the defensive end room that are starting

1173
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: to make their presence fell especially Alex right right, he

1174
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 2: stepped up potentially Isaiah Maguire And you got Obo right.

1175
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 5: And you got Obo, so you're good there. You figure

1176
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 5: that if Zadarias does not come back, that Right or

1177
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 5: Obo gonna assume the position of being the starter, and

1178
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 5: then they'll still work that same rotation. So if anything

1179
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 5: with the number we realized last year was of the

1180
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 5: utmost importance that we secure and solidify our defensive tackle spot.

1181
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 5: So if those guys aren't around, if Hearst is gone,

1182
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 5: if Elliot's gone, and who else could be potentially gone,

1183
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 5: then you need to make that move. But obviously gonna

1184
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 5: ask for the guys we drafted though to step up

1185
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 5: and do their part too. So with that in mind,

1186
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 5: I'm always of the mindset Jay, I don't care if

1187
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 5: the score has become one thousand to nine hundred in

1188
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 5: the future. It's always gonna be one between the tackles

1189
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 5: and on the defensive front, it's always gonna be the

1190
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage in the trenches, always gonna be the

1191
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 5: case where you win football games. So you never can

1192
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 5: go wrong, in my opinion, solidifying that room.

1193
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean on the defensive Endsidarius Smith, free agent

1194
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: defensive tackles that are free agents. Jordan Elliott, who you've

1195
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: taken a lot of time and effort to come something.

1196
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, You've taken four years to develop him and he

1198
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: started to show some things. Do you really let him go?

1199
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what the number is gonna be. That's

1200
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: what it comes down to. Shelby, Harris, Maurice Hurst. You know,

1201
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: maybe you can bring Maurice Hurst back for another year.

1202
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:27,439
Speaker 2: You know he's young, right, Yeah, you know. But again,

1203
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: at the defensive end you have a little more depth.

1204
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: But I don't think you're gonna have enough bodies, right,

1205
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 2: and you got to find someone that can be successful

1206
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: on the other side of Miles Garrett.

1207
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, plain and simple, exactly. And when Miles is not

1208
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 5: in a game, you don't have a fall off the

1209
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 5: cliff moment like we've had in years past.

1210
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question, all right, Before I let you go,

1211
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 2: my friend, I appreciate the time today. Gerrod up at

1212
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: three o'clock with Emmett and Jordan Klimac. On the next level,

1213
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 2: you can hear money through Friday on ESPN Cleveland from

1214
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 2: three to six. NFL com is next week. If you

1215
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 2: had one piece of advice for all these fine gentlemen

1216
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: that have been invited to the NFL combine, what would

1217
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: it be? I think I have a feeling answer, Yeah,

1218
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 2: I got a feeling. I already know, But what is

1219
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: your one piece of advice? My friend?

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01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 5: Earplugs and if need be make up some excuse where

1221
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 5: you cannot have a roommate in your room with you

1222
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 5: and you can sleep and get some rest, because that

1223
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 5: hurt me tremendously the night of the combine. I got

1224
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 5: no sleep. Long flight from Cali to Andy, no sleep whatsoever.

1225
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 5: My roommates snore like no other, and I'm certain that

1226
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 5: played a part in my lackluster performance at the combine.

1227
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 2: And you were still taking in the second round, and.

1228
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 5: Still taking in the second round, unbelievable.

1229
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 2: Did everything else test out all right? Like it was decent,

1230
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: but it.

1231
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 5: Could have been much better. So I basically spent the

1232
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 5: whole time there climbing back trying to get my rep back.

1233
01:08:58,360 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 5: And the sad part about it is the time I

1234
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 5: j I would do that warming up. I ran four

1235
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 5: or fives in my sleep.

1236
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 2: Wow, oh yeah, not not good.

1237
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 5: So no, bring something that can guarant if you have

1238
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 5: to take melowtonin, take melotonin, if you if you got

1239
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 5: to put your ear plug, get ear plugs. But by

1240
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 5: all means, find out if you can ahead of time

1241
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 5: who your roommate is, or do whatever you can and

1242
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 5: not have a roommate whatever you can do, because it

1243
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 5: impacts you. It certainly does.

1244
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And we've seen the smallest things become the biggest

1245
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: problems or the biggest questions, whether or not they should

1246
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: be or not. The littlest things get magnified. And don't

1247
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 2: give me reason is what I say. Don't give them

1248
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 2: a reason, Amen, Gerad. I appreciate the time, my friend.

1249
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 2: I wish you and the family all the best, hope

1250
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 2: the missus as well, and look forward to talking with

1251
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 2: you again soon.

1252
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 5: My friends, sound.

1253
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: Stop it, I hope not. That's your odd Sherry on

1254
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Speaker 2: the Twisted Tea Hard iced Tea Hotline. We'll take a

1255
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: time out when we come back on the show. Little

1256
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 2: Draft time you'll hear from ESPN's Matt Miller. He was

1257
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: on an NFL conference call yesterday with a number of

1258
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: the members of the media, college football media and the pros.

1259
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: So a lot of questions, talking some quarterbacks, but also

1260
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 2: talking corner back, talking about the tackles in this year's draft.

1261
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Speaker 2: All that and more that comes your way in just

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01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 2: Brown's Daily Live from there Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and looking

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. Matt Miller, ESPN Draft Guru, good

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01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 2: friend of the program, met with the media yesterday to

1281
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 2: preview the combine to talk about some of the big positions.

1282
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: Quarterback obviously came up, the corners the top corners in

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01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: this dret offensive tackles, tight end position, a few positions

1284
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 2: that maybe the Browns could be looking at here in

1285
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. And of course got

1286
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 2: to leave in the quarterback talk as well, because Matt

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01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 2: Miller has got a lot of quarterbacks in the top

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Speaker 2: half of his first round mock draft. Here's Matt Miller

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Speaker 2: from ESPN meeting with the media.

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Speaker 14: I wondered what your thoughts on the offensive tackle class

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Speaker 14: is at that point, Folksing at that number nine pick,

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01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 14: you know, I think there are three avenues you could

1293
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 14: go here, wide receiver, assuming one of the top three

1294
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 14: wide receivers Marvin Harrison, Junior Milite Neighbors, Ramadoonze, some of

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Speaker 14: one of those three guys makes it to nine.

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Speaker 6: I think you have a really interesting opportunity there as

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Speaker 6: far as the offensive tackle class. I mean, Joe alt

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Speaker 6: No No Dame, probably off the board at that point.

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Speaker 6: But Olufashanu, who played high school football with Kaleb Williams,

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Speaker 6: they're best friends, he could very much be on the board.

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Speaker 6: I like this offensive tackle class. I think it's unique

1302
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 6: in that we have those two guys who are clear cut.

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 6: But I think top ten tight picks. They both play

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01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 6: left tackle. After that, we have a ton of right

1305
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 6: tackles to lease filographer. Oregon State right tackle Tyler get

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01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 6: In from Oklahoma is the right tackle, Marius Mems right tackle,

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Speaker 6: Jacon Latham right tackle. Obviously, Chicago's good there because of

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Speaker 6: Darnell Wright last year.

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Speaker 15: So I look at this.

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Speaker 6: I saw an interesting stat yesterday. I was actually doing

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Speaker 6: some research. Braxton Jones finished top five in the NFL

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01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 6: and pass block win rate among tackles. He's got two

1313
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 6: more years on a fifth year or a fifth round

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01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 6: rookie contract. It's pretty cheap for a left tackle that's

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01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 6: finished in top five and plass block win rate. So

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Speaker 6: I think here we are. You know, a week before

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Speaker 6: the combine. I think the Bears got a great opportunity

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Speaker 6: to get a franchise quarterback and then a game changing

1319
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 6: wide receiver to pair him with and stay young and

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01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 6: cheap on the offensive line.

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Speaker 16: Hey, Matt, appreciate your time. I was curious what your

1322
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 16: early thoughts are on the cornerback class as a whole,

1323
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 16: how how deep it is, how talent it is, and

1324
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 16: then specifically with with Rakestraw from Missouri, like, how do

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 16: you value his I don't know, toughness, finacity, and a

1326
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 16: willingness attack. I guess those skills versus the lack of

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01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 16: ball production.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll start with the overall class. I'm looking at

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01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 6: it right now, and I have six corners with a

1330
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Speaker 6: first round grade, So we could see a run on

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01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 6: the corner position most definitely. It is a year in

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01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 6: which I think there are a lot of teams that

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Speaker 6: haven't need a corner, and then there are a lot

1334
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Speaker 6: of corners who are really good players. So the matchup

1335
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 6: this year of need versus value is really special. At corner,

1336
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 6: I mean also an offensive tackle. You know, for the

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01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 6: first two questions, a lot of teams are having needs

1338
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Speaker 6: at those same spots. Rigstrawl is my guy, Like that

1339
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 6: is my draft crush this year. I think all of us,

1340
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 6: if you do this re living, we get a guy

1341
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 6: or two where like you kind of light up anytime

1342
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 6: you get a chance to talk about them. His toughness

1343
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 6: at the line of scrimmage is fantastic. I go back

1344
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 6: and watch the LSU game all the time. LSU's offense

1345
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 6: absolutely crushed everybody they played. They threw him one time

1346
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 6: he was incomplete, and they never went back at him

1347
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 6: again the rest of the game, despite having Mike Neighbors

1348
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 6: and Brian Thomas who or are probably gonna be top

1349
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 6: twenty picks, both of them. So I think that speaks

1350
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 6: to his reputation how talented he is, that you're gonna

1351
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 6: throw it a savvy veteran like Chris Abrams drain on

1352
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 6: the other side instead of challenging Regstraw. And the fact

1353
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 6: that he played almost all year with a core muscle

1354
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 6: injury that he had surgery for in December, that that

1355
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 6: just speaks to toughness for me. So yeah, if you

1356
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 6: if you're looking for a like a prototypical, you know,

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01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 6: Detroit Lion type player, I think that physicality at the

1358
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 6: line of scrimmage. He is a great tackler in space

1359
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 6: as well, especially for not being the biggest guy. He's

1360
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 6: probably gonna come in at like six foot one hundred

1361
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 6: and ninety pounds, maybe one ninety five if we're lucky.

1362
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Speaker 6: It is not a strikingly physical player when you're just

1363
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 6: looking at height, weight, strength, but he absolutely plays. Is

1364
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 6: one of the most physical corners in this draft, in

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Speaker 6: any draft like he He's right there with some of

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Speaker 6: the best corners I've evaluated at playing near the line

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Speaker 6: of scrimmage and using that physicality, is eighth.

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Speaker 12: Too high to take one of the second tier quarterbacks?

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Speaker 12: And then how are you seeing brock Bowers as the

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Speaker 12: possible top ten pick from the tight end from the

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Speaker 12: University of Georgia.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say eight too high based on where

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 6: these players are ranked, But we know teams are gonna

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01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 6: go higher on the quarterbacks. So I think if at

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Speaker 6: eight you're falling in love with J. J. McCarthy is

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Speaker 6: your guy there, I think it's too early for Bonicks.

1377
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 6: It's certainly too earlier for Michael Pennix Junior. But with McCarthy,

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Speaker 6: I think the intangibles are intriguing enough that you could

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01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 6: tuck yourself into it, especially where this is a year

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01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 6: that you know there's not that super intriguing second or

1381
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 6: third round quarterback that you're eyeing as a developmental guy.

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Speaker 6: And obviously Atlanta just went through that with Doesn't Ritter

1383
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 6: Excuse me, and didn't have a ton of success with that.

1384
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Speaker 6: So it does feel like if you're gonna if you're

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Speaker 6: gonna get a guy, you're gonna have to swing early.

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Speaker 6: I'll be curious to see you've got veteran coaches come

1387
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 6: from a defensive background, if they're gonna be willing to

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01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 6: kind of wait on a rookie quarterback. But I think

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Speaker 6: Atlanta is interesting because the offensive line is so talented

1390
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 6: and as we know, they've spent a lot of draft

1391
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 6: picks on the offensive side of the ball, so very

1392
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 6: very very talented offense that ja J. McCarthy could just

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01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 6: slide into. As far as Rock Bowers, I love Brock Bowers,

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01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 6: but when you sit down to a mock draft, it

1395
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 6: is very hard to find a spot for a tight end.

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01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 6: So every time I do a mock draft exercise, I

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01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 6: feel like he's coming off the board at like thirteen,

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01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 6: fourteen to fifteen because those teams in the top ten

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01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 6: have so many needs and they're going to go most

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01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 6: likely you know, big positional value. You know, quarterback, left tackle,

1401
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 6: wide receiver, corner. Those are the top ten picks this year.

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01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 6: It feels like so a player like Bowers, despite the

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01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 6: fact that you know he might be one of the

1404
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 6: five most talented players in the draft because he's a

1405
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 6: tight end, he tends to slip a little bit in

1406
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 6: mock drafts. Like, honestly, it's not like Bejeon Robinson last year,

1407
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 6: where it was like we knew how talented he was

1408
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 6: as a player, it was really hard to find a

1409
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 6: natural fit for him. The Falcons, obviously, we're okay with

1410
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 6: taking a running back pretty early, and they've got a

1411
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 6: great player. So Bowers might be a similar spot. Not

1412
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 6: not to Atlanta obviously, but a similar type player where

1413
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 6: you've got a team that's just going to look at

1414
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 6: best player available regardless of position. That's brock BAERs. So

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Speaker 6: we'll go ahead and draft him and know that we've

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01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 6: got a chance to get approvabowl player.

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Speaker 17: Hey man, I just have a general draft question. Only

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01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 17: fifty eight underclassmen in this draft. How has niled money

1419
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 17: changed the draft? And specifically, what are you hearing from

1420
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 17: GMS and coaches about how it's changing their jobs?

1421
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean it's changed it tremendously.

1422
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 6: Just that number alone, I think this will be one

1423
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,759
Speaker 6: of the shallowest draft pools that I've ever covered because

1424
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 6: so many players are going back and we have to

1425
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 6: remember there there's also you know, the COVID year. I

1426
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 6: think this is the final year where players are potentially

1427
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 6: benefiting from that twenty twenty two year excuse me, twenty

1428
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 6: twenty year that you could decide didn't count if you

1429
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 6: wanted to. So after this year we might see that

1430
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 6: that change a little bit. But in IL is huge

1431
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,759
Speaker 6: and I personally think it's a good thing for players.

1432
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 6: Instead of having to make a financial decision and going

1433
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 6: to the NFL early and maybe being a late round pick,

1434
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 6: you now have the opportunity to go back to school,

1435
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 6: you know, support yourself, maybe you know, support your family

1436
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 6: if you're taking care of them, and improve your draft

1437
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,799
Speaker 6: stop and you know, Jaden Daniels is a fantastic example

1438
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 6: of that. Had he left college last year, he would

1439
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 6: have been a day three pick, probably a middle day

1440
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 6: three pick, because that was a pretty good quarterback class

1441
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 6: last year. He's able to go back to school, he's

1442
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 6: able to you know, fund going back to school thanks

1443
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 6: to NIL, and now he's in line to be a

1444
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 6: top three pick. So there are a lot of success

1445
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 6: stories of players now, bo Nick's being another one. You

1446
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 6: go from struggling at Auburn, you go to Oregon, play

1447
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 6: two more years and get yourself potentially in the first

1448
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 6: round of the draft. So I think there's there's only

1449
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 6: benefits for the players now from the GM side of things, Yeah,

1450
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 6: this is a fallower draft. I don't want to say

1451
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 6: it's a weak draft or a bad draft, but it's

1452
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 6: just the actual pool of players. Compared to last year,

1453
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 6: which was probably the deepest draft ever, this will be

1454
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 6: a pretty shallow one, and it's something that you know,

1455
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 6: it kind of goes in waves. Last year was incredibly deep,

1456
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 6: next year will probably be incredibly deep. So I think

1457
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 6: smart general managers are always looking at least a year

1458
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 6: ahead at each position group and at the draft as

1459
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 6: a whole to try to say, Okay, this might be

1460
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 6: the year where we're willing to trade a seventh round

1461
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 6: pick in twenty twenty four for a seventh round pick

1462
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty five because we like the talent pool

1463
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 6: a little bit better next year. So we could see

1464
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 6: some teams try to bail out a little bit on

1465
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 6: Day three. But you know, two hundred and fifty six

1466
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 6: some players are going to get drafted regardless of how

1467
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 6: deep the draft pool is. I think they're definitely three

1468
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 6: hundred players worthy of being drafted. So you know, smart

1469
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 6: gms are going to take advantage of the way the

1470
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 6: value system works out this year.

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Speaker 18: Hey, Matt, you know there's some notable running backs probably

1472
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,799
Speaker 18: come into the free agency market, Tony Pollard, Derreck Henry.

1473
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 18: But the Ravens are pretty tight against the cap, and

1474
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 18: you know they have a good mix of Day two

1475
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 18: and Day three picks. Do you think it makes more

1476
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 18: sense for them to invest in the draft, you know,

1477
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 18: finding the next Gus Edwards, JK. Dobbins, or to you know,

1478
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 18: spend money they might allocate elsewhere on one of those

1479
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 18: big names of free agency. And who are some of

1480
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 18: those guys do you think would fit from the draft

1481
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:52,799
Speaker 18: in that potential Ravens scheme?

1482
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 15: Yeah, I want to you're pricing me tithing. I was

1483
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 15: pulling my notes up. Can I say both? They should

1484
01:20:58,760 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 15: do both?

1485
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 6: You know, I think you have three running backs, maybe

1486
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 6: four running backs who are free agents, so I think

1487
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 6: it's definitely a possibility that you go, you know with

1488
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 6: a one year veteran and then drafted player as well

1489
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 6: as far as Baltimore goes. This is such a deep

1490
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 6: running back draft in the third and fourth round. So

1491
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 6: at least where I have players ranked right now, I

1492
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 6: only have one running back, not excuse me, one running

1493
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 6: back grated ahead of that. That's Jonathan Brooks from Texas

1494
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 6: who I have in the second round. But there are

1495
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 6: five running backs in the third round and six running

1496
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 6: backs in the fourth round. So I think this is

1497
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 6: such a great year to you know, kind of pick

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01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 6: your flavor. What type of running back do you want?

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01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 6: You know, do you want to Braylan Allen, you know,

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01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 6: a powerful downhill runner, Jalen Wright from Tennessee, mars Shawn

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01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 6: Lloyd from USC they kind of fit that mold a

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01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 6: little bit better. Or you know, do you want somebody

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01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 6: who's a little more versatile at the back that like

1504
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 6: Bucky Irving from Oregon or will Shipley from Clemson, Dylan

1505
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 6: Johnson from Washington State, A lot of players who kind

1506
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 6: of fit that same mold of man. We've got some

1507
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 6: slashers here, but we've all seen some power guys. So

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01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 6: I think with Baltimore would be interesting. You know, if

1509
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,759
Speaker 6: you bring in a Tony Pollard in for See, for example,

1510
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 6: then I think you're looking at the Braylen Allens. The

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01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 6: Marshall Lloyd's is more of those downhill runner types. But

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01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 6: this is it's going to get talked about as like

1513
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 6: a bad running back class quote unquote bad because there's

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01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 6: not a first round pick one year after we had

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01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 6: two drafted in the first round. I actually think it's

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01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 6: a really good running back class. It's just a lot

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01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:18,560
Speaker 6: of those players are going to be drafted, you know

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01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 6: out seventy five to two fifty is probably where they're

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01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 6: going to come off the board. But there's such great

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01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 6: value and the Senior Bowl is a great example of that.

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01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 6: You know, there were six or seven really really good

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01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 6: running backs there who can all be you know, high

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01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 6: rep contributors in the NFL. They're just not going to

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01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 6: be drafted early because they might lack speed or they

1525
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 6: might not be a perfect scheme fit for teams. But

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01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 6: the Ravens do a better job than maybe anyone in

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01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 6: the NFL at finding value in the middle rounds. So

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01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 6: if they do decide to draft a running back, I

1529
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 6: mean there's there's not a bad pick between you round three,

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01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 6: round four. I think everyone would be a good fit.

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01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 6: We have Lamar Jackson back there that makes any running

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01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 6: back a fit.

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Speaker 19: I feel like, oh, hey, Matt, great to talk to

1534
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,799
Speaker 19: you today. So my question is on us. He's Bills,

1535
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,839
Speaker 19: So his trophy speak for themselves. He has a Heisman

1536
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 19: Trophy and a College Player of the Year and then

1537
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 19: his stats also speak for themselves. He has more than

1538
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 19: nine thousand yards and ninety three touchdowns. So he's been

1539
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 19: compared to Patrick Mahomes. But do you think his college

1540
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 19: level performances will be able to transfer to the NFL

1541
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 19: and professional performance as well.

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01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm afraid to compare anyone to Patrick Mahomes. I'll

1543
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 15: be honest with you. That one that feels dangerous. That's

1544
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 15: a great way to have cold takes tweet you.

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01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 6: So I do think that there's some similarities, you know,

1546
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 6: in the arm angle, the arm strength, especially on the move,

1547
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 6: the ability to play off schedule and extend the play,

1548
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 6: to string out a defense and wait for something to happen.

1549
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 6: But yeah, I definitely think that his type of play

1550
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 6: translates well. Caleb is this way in that what makes

1551
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 6: him great is also what scares you, because it makes

1552
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 6: him great is that ability to string the defense along

1553
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 6: and hold the ball until that absolute last moment and

1554
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 6: find a player. So it's a lot of you know,

1555
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 6: off rhythm, off schedule type stuff. I think I saw

1556
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 6: the Chief say it's it's like backyard football times for

1557
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 6: them because it's just find a spot and Patrick's gonna

1558
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 6: gonna find you. Caleb almost needs to be in a

1559
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 6: similar situation, but that could mean early bumps and bruises.

1560
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 6: So you've got to have the infrastructure around him that

1561
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 6: we're gonna be patient with some of those early bumps

1562
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 6: and bruises that we didn't see from Mahomes because he

1563
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 6: sat for that first year. So Caleb is my number

1564
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 6: one player in this draft with a bullet like no

1565
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,759
Speaker 6: one else is taking that spot. He's special, He's unique,

1566
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 6: So I'm not worried about him having NFL success. I

1567
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 6: think it's it's gonna be important that wherever he's drafted,

1568
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 6: and it sounds like it'll probably Chicago, it'll be important

1569
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 6: in Chicago has a framework in place for him. I

1570
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 6: think it really helps them that they've got Ryan Poles,

1571
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 6: a general manager who was in Kansas City and watched

1572
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 6: some of the guardrails that the Chiefs put up form

1573
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 6: a home so that he could be great and be creative.

1574
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 6: But still, you know, have the early success because he

1575
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 6: did have a good scheme and system around him.

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01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 2: Spn's Matt Miller. He will join us next week at

1577
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 2: the NFL Combine on Radio Row. Also, Jordan reid Field

1578
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 2: Yates just to name a few dignitaries in addition to

1579
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 2: GM Andrew Berry, assistant GM Glenn Cook, and the head

1580
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 2: coach of your Cleveland Browns and the NFL's Coach of

1581
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 2: the Year, Kevin Stefanski. We'll take a quick time out

1582
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 2: more on the upcoming twenty twenty four NFL Draft when

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01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,040
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1593
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: You know it was my bad, so we're gonna make

1594
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 2: up for it right now. We did not play your

1595
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 2: montage from the safety room, and I know you and

1596
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 2: Ocho have been putting in the work on that. I

1597
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 2: want to play that little montage right now. Highlights from

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01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 2: our safety room. In twenty twenty three, they.

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01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 4: Gotta get up close to the twenty yard line to

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01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 4: move the chains. Pickett gonna throw it for the third

1601
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 4: time in as many attempts, and it.

1602
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 2: Is picked off.

1603
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 4: It is picked off by the Browns as Grant Delpit

1604
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 4: gets it and he falls down and gets touched.

1605
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 2: So the Brown's needing.

1606
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 4: That turnover finally get it and they all go down

1607
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 4: and start dancing in the end zone.

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01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 11: First to ten Brie Saul the running back and Simmy

1609
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 11: in his underneath center from his own nineteen yard line,

1610
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 11: play action fag throw.

1611
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 13: Over the middle that's picked off the Prontabit twenty.

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01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 11: Five twenty he is Ronnie Hickman, Pace to a ten,

1613
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 11: pace to.

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01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:52,759
Speaker 2: The five, payce to the pylon.

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01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 13: Payson touchdown picked sex for the rookie from Ohio.

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01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:01,839
Speaker 2: Stay listen to this place, the defense.

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01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 13: It gives the energy to the crowd, and the crowd

1618
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 13: gives the energy to the defense. Ronnie Hickman's first career intercepting.

1619
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 2: Is a big one.

1620
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 15: I heard that one.

1621
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 2: They gotta co see us at the end of the day.

1622
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 20: They come. They come to our house, man and I've

1623
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 20: said before, they have a great team right now.

1624
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks playing probably the best in the league, and the

1625
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 4: scheme fits him.

1626
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 5: They have a great defense.

1627
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 4: As many ride a woman of the high horse right now,

1628
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:31,799
Speaker 4: that's probably the best time.

1629
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 2: To get them.

1630
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 11: Burrow in the shotgun. Wait on the snap, he's got it.

1631
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 11: He's back, Settles going for t Higgins. He's there, gout

1632
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 11: pro cut off. Want to play cramp dump and ducked

1633
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,759
Speaker 11: it away down at the six yard line.

1634
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 21: Keatum the snap, Ketum hit as he throws, wafting deep

1635
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 21: down field. This one's in traffic. This one's intercepted to

1636
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 21: Ron Harmon, of all people, has it. Keenum was hit

1637
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 21: as he threw. It was a wounded duck they'd hung

1638
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 21: in the air and Harmon takes it away.

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01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 8: This team is unbelievable. To Ron Harmon on the streets

1640
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 8: a few weeks ago. This Brown's team unbelievable, Andrew, I.

1641
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 20: Mean, season n over, Like everybody's gonna they're gonna try

1642
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 20: to knock us while we're down. You know, they're gonna

1643
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 20: try to kick you while you down. So we just

1644
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 20: gotta pretty much forget everything that's in the media, you know,

1645
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 20: and just keep moving forward because everyone is against a honestly,

1646
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 20: thank They're gonna try to knock him down, but just

1647
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 20: keep pushing.

1648
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 11: Forward, fields back to pass up to the pocket. He

1649
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 11: rolls left, tips run out. He's gonna look, he's gonna look,

1650
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 11: he's gonna launch. It's going down into the end zone.

1651
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 11: Knock it down the ball is he hit her? Sap in,

1652
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 11: it's in her something by the ROMs. That's the end

1653
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:44,640
Speaker 11: that they don't got it.

1654
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 4: Hey got it.

1655
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 5: Full game over, Crowns win, Brown's.

1656
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 2: Win twenty to seventeen. It's all over, thank god, because

1657
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 2: Jim that.

1658
01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 13: Ball was knocked down onto Darnell Mooney's shots who was

1659
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 13: on the ground, and then it popped up into the

1660
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 13: air miraculously and the Anthony Bell gets the interception.

1661
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 2: Darnell Mooney had a shot at it. Oh my god.

1662
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 13: The cardiac kids are backed Jim. Nine and five and

1663
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:15,520
Speaker 13: you remain undefeated.

1664
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 2: Keenum the snap Ketum hit as he throws, wafting deep

1665
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 2: down field. This one's in traffic.

1666
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:24,560
Speaker 21: This one's intercepted to Ron Harmon of all people, has it?

1667
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 21: Keenum was hit as he threw it was a wounded duck.

1668
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:33,879
Speaker 21: It hung in the air and Harmon takes it away.

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01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 8: This team is unbelievable. Doron Harmon on the streets a

1670
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 8: few weeks ago. This Brown's team unbelievable.

1671
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 2: Andrew unbelievable is right, so much more to come when

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01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,080
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Speaker 2: All Right, Ocho, glad to have you back. Uno, job

1678
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 2: well done over the last couple of days. Thank you,

1679
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 2: Nick Paulis job well done by you. Shout out to

1680
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 2: Girod Cherry, appreciate his time today. The two slackers are

1681
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 2: back tomorrow. Yes, they've had a nice little week off.

1682
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 2: Back to reality for a couple of days, and then

1683
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Speaker 2: we go to Indianapolis and it all goes to hell

1684
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:39,759
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1685
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