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Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything. Welcome back to the Meat Eater Podcast.

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Speaker 1: You are about ready to dig into The Meat Tree

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Speaker 1: Part two. Now, if you don't know what I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about is a story about a fog

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Speaker 1: Neck Island and a particular brown bear. This doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: familiar to you, back up a episode and go listen

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Speaker 1: to The Meat Tree Part one. If you've already listened

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Speaker 1: to The Meat Tree Part one and you know that

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Speaker 1: you're in the right place, welcome back. We will now

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Speaker 1: proceed with the story. Are you the first guy it

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Speaker 1: saw it? I definitely heard him first, and I think

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Speaker 1: I expressed some some fear that there was something in

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Speaker 1: as I heard that breathing and that that deep, you know,

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Speaker 1: could hear something coming out as full bore, and then

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Speaker 1: it was like all hell broke loose? Would you agree

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Speaker 1: that's how that's you saw? And then and then made Wayne,

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Speaker 1: Chris and I were sitting did you see him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you guys, I saw Pat's face and that, like I am,

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Speaker 1: my attention immediately went to the sound and I just

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Speaker 1: And that was probably that's when that pandemonium of oh,

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Speaker 1: top of us before we even knew what was going on. Basically,

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Speaker 1: what was what was your first, registrate, when did you

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Speaker 1: first register it? I think in the same moment, But

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Speaker 1: I knew like the whole time. And this was um

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Speaker 1: complacency on my part. I didn't have any protection and

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Speaker 1: like I didn't cross my mind and look for some

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Speaker 1: and the tree. So I just ran behind the see

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Speaker 1: it before it was in amongst us. No, I saw

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Speaker 1: only when it wrapped around the tree after all the

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Speaker 1: So you guys saw a char the woods, you suck pounder,

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Speaker 1: When did you see it? I was sitting there eating

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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, everybody's up and I

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Speaker 1: I had my back to the bear's approach, and I

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Speaker 1: somehow when I saw it, like you know, like you

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Speaker 1: causes me to turn toward it, turned to my left

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Speaker 1: toward it. But then it's like passing. I just remember,

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Speaker 1: it's just teeth passing, I mean within arms reach of

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Speaker 1: and the feeling that like your life like flashes before

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Speaker 1: It just becomes overlaid in recollection because you're like thankful

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Speaker 1: they were contemporaneous, they but they perhaps weren't. I remember

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Speaker 1: So my thought, my first thought was oh shit, obviously,

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Speaker 1: My first like actual real thought that I know happened

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Speaker 1: definitely downhill. Yeah, there was no because I was at

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Speaker 1: Now you tell what happened, because this could be a

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Speaker 1: I certainly didn't have have um thoughts. There were There

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Speaker 1: And I don't remember making the choice because I had

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Speaker 1: just gonna I think it's gonna be my life rule

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Speaker 1: I thought he had dirt. It was hauling dirt downhill.

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Speaker 1: going in the same direction. Yeah, I thought he was

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Speaker 1: dragging you down, and I we'll get to the reality.

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Speaker 1: But I thought he was dragging you down. And I

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Speaker 1: But what happened was that so I, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't opposite of Yanni. My instant deal was flight,

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Speaker 1: Like it didn't ever occur like face this thing and

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Speaker 1: how could that that mouth have not gotten to somebody?

429
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, there's two explanations. One that it

430
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: was such an explosion of like it might have been

431
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: expected as much as it expects or whatever. Yeah, I mean,

432
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: like their predators they attacked you. They know what they're doing.

433
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: He was attacking maybe a thing that he thought was

434
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: a thing, a single thing, and in fact it was not.

435
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: It was out of his line of sight. Was all

436
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: of this stuff right? And that that he never got

437
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: ahold of someone or it was never his intention to

438
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: get his mouth on something. It felt like he was intending.

439
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: It seemed like it meant to get ahold of something.

440
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that it knew whatever whoever it was

441
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: looking at as it came through the brush. It knew

442
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: that I am a lot bigger than that thing. I

443
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: think we should also clarify this would like for people,

444
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: this was not a bluff charge. This was a full

445
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: on charge. And he's been false charged and and there's

446
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: a big difference, like false charges go down a certain way.

447
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: This was nothing close to a false charge, the type

448
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: of charge when a guy ends up if he's there

449
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: gets attacked or dying, the surprise charge that goes a

450
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: dent of the way. This was that charge. Yeah, false

451
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: charge being like lots of hooffing, teeth clack and gets up,

452
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: spins that fifteen yards, maybe comes in and spins that

453
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: fifteen yards. Yeah, but there is nothing this dude, Yeah yeah. Um.

454
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: I had a gun pulled on me in the Vata

455
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: and it took a couple of hours. My hand equipped

456
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: shaken and I had uh and the time that we

457
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: got false charged, it took me a couple of hours.

458
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: My handquipped, shaken. It's like that level of but this

459
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: was in there was no spin. He crashed through us,

460
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: um and I think must have gotten confused, got wrapped

461
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: in the face, uh, got jumped on from his perspective, right,

462
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: got gang piled. Yeah, he's like what the hell is

463
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: going on? You know, and and ran down. I have

464
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: a question. I'm sorry not to do you think, like,

465
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: how relevant is it that? The more I think about it,

466
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: the more it makes sense. It was one bear and

467
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: he was back above us, like susten us out even more. Yeah,

468
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: I don't have it, I mean not really knowing. I

469
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: have no doubt that that's what I happened. But so

470
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: in that case, in my mind too, that's very relevant,

471
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: like to see even though it's super thick, like if

472
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: that would have all gone down and we would have

473
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: seen him on the other side of the main creek

474
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: like just getting out of there and been like, yeah

475
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: he didn't, I don't know. The fact that he wrapped

476
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: back around into like a aggressive point contact freaks me

477
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: out even more, like he was just like still like

478
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: it that way For that attack to happen again, it

479
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: was a very confusing moment. It was like in those

480
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: movies where someone's getting attacked and it's over here then

481
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: over there. It was very over here over there that

482
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: we didn't know which way he was going to come

483
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: back in because we heard, we saw him go down,

484
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: weird crashing to the side, and we heard noises over

485
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: here and we heard the wolfing up here. So it

486
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: was a very orienting thing where he could come in

487
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: again in any direction. And that was the the almost

488
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: more scarier for me than the actual charge. Yeah, because

489
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: the charge was all instinct, You're just like react, but

490
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: this was like just waiting for it to happen again,

491
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: and it was intimidating. Man. Now there's this thing and

492
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: and and and bear deal with bears and bearrass safety.

493
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: There's this idea that if you are attacked by a

494
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: black bear, um what you're experiencing as an act of

495
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: addation and um, that you would fight that bear as

496
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: long as you could possibly fight, because he's attacking you

497
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: in an active predation and it's his aim to kill

498
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: you and eat you. Grizzly bears grizzly you know, brown

499
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: bears do that too. They do predatory attacks, but they

500
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: also do attack of that they're startled or threatened or spooked,

501
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: and their response to the spooking is to neutralize the threat.

502
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: And a black bear's response to spooking is to act like,

503
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, everything else in the world run off. So

504
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: when people say that this whole like playing that idea

505
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: with a with a brown bear attack, grizzly attack, is

506
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: that that you're betting on that it's the neutralization of

507
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: a threat thing that's happening to you, and it once

508
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: you cease to be any kind of a threat. And

509
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: he could be like, don't mess with me, man that

510
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: that maybe you'll be lucky, and he'll then leave you

511
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: alone because he's like, hey, this thing scared me. I

512
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: got the situation resolved. Now I'm done. There's all that

513
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: kind of talk, right um now. And I've always maintained

514
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: that like when people ask these questions you know about

515
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: how to deal with bears and bear safety and what

516
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: you should carry in this, and that I usually say

517
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: like best practices or or when people who have exhaustively

518
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: analyzed all these maulings and attacks, like what do they

519
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: find to be recommended practices? I'll point these out to people,

520
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: but I oftentimes will awful clarify that if it were

521
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: actually happening, I don't know how much all of this

522
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: is going to be really that helpful. And now that

523
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: I know what happens when it happens, I'm more um,

524
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm just more aware of of that. It's almost a

525
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: shrug of the shoulders. It's like how it really goes

526
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: down is so fast and dizzying and overwhelming that you're

527
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: not even operating even in a reptilian thing, you know,

528
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: like meaning like that your brain is like these layers

529
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: right and deep in your brain or these ideas of

530
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: just that you need to breathe, okay, like just basic

531
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: things that you do, and then layered over it are

532
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: these more you know, like these more like I like

533
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: emotional ideas and sophisticated actions, right, and I don't. And

534
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: I feel like the shutdown that occurred for that half

535
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: second was a very deep shutdown occurred to my brain,

536
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: like a deep like a deep instantaneous shutdown. And then

537
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: you then coming out of that was like if you

538
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: found if you're in a boat, if you're in a

539
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: boat that capsizes and you're thrust underwater and you need

540
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: to swim up to the surface, I feel like I

541
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: had to swim up out of a I had to

542
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: swim up out of the water to find a breath

543
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: of air, the breath of air being a clear thought.

544
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: I had to like swim through a haze to come

545
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: out with with a clear idea of what to do next.

546
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: It was such a mental setback of all your thinking

547
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: and situational awareness, spatial awareness, of just being a person

548
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: who's like prides themselves on knowing how to deal with

549
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: bad situations right learned through like being out in the woods,

550
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: lot hunting a lot, being in in shitty situations. Subjecting

551
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: yourself to that, you get like pretty good at problem solving.

552
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: It was like all that was gone for some part,

553
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: for some collection of seconds, maybe it was just wiped

554
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: out and I had to like swim to the surface

555
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: of some very murky water to put my head up

556
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: and be like, here's what you need to do. Yeah,

557
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: And in the time it occurred to make that metaphorical

558
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: swim to the surface of consciousness was probably the time

559
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: in which you're just in its teeth, not even feeling it.

560
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: Other maulings play out different ways. Because there was a

561
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: guy that got killed, you know, by Donaly, and he

562
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: had been photographing the bear that killed him up until

563
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: it's very far away and he was still snapping photos

564
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: of twenty yards then the bear killed him. So there

565
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: you have like a situation like that. We've had older

566
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: bears come into our camp or come to claim, like

567
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: a caribou kill, that you had all kinds of time.

568
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 1: But I think that all that time gives someone who

569
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: knows how you're supposed to behave time to make it

570
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: not happen through how you present, how you can figure

571
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: your group, how you use firearms for warning shots. Like,

572
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: all that time is all the action needed to make

573
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: it not become a situation. But when the situation is

574
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: fast like that, I feel that like it would take

575
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: you would have to live through that six times to

576
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: be able to become right. Yeah, it's just like my

577
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: analogy of like skiing giant freaking black diamond moguls fast. Right,

578
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: the first time you go down that ski run, you're

579
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, oh my god, you fall,

580
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: You're trapping. This is worrying by you. And then you

581
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: get to a certain level of feeling comfortable and you're like,

582
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: even though you're smoking that hill, it's all happening slow,

583
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: every every single turn and bomb just happens nice and easy. Yeah,

584
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: it would take a lot of very charges. But the

585
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: thing but I want to I want to preface. I

586
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: want to preface. I'm using that the preface one I

587
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: angles stakes. I am going to turn this into a recommendation,

588
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: right good, That's where I was gonna go with that,

589
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: too yet recommendations, So all of that said, I'm gonna

590
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: turn into recommendation that. UM. I think that that that

591
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: it's possible to go into an area, and you go

592
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: into an area, a risky area, and initially you're very

593
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: aware of the risk, but it's mentally exhausting. Two, it's

594
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: mentally exhausting to be aware of risk, and I think

595
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: that some part of your brain wants to get out

596
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: of the risk mode, and you're like, Okay, we've gone days,

597
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: we haven't seen a bear, I don't see evidence that

598
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: a bear has been on the kill, and you just

599
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: have a gradual letting down of your defenses that that, UM,

600
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: you maybe wouldn't have made that mistake on the first

601
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: day when you went into it, ready for this thing

602
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: to be happening. We were talking about it, we read

603
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: about it, we discussed it, we were joking about it.

604
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: But over the course of a few days, it's somehow

605
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: like a level of complacency took place, UM. And the

606
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: concrete recommend dation one would be to try to to

607
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: try to maintain that level of awareness even when it's

608
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: not being uh reinforced by constant reminders of trouble. Because

609
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: the first bear eye laid eyes on on that trip

610
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: was within arms reach. Mm hmm. So there's that in

611
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: a much more like practical, much more like practical, real

612
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: time thing. Having your deterrent um on the waist belt

613
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: of your pack is great when you wear in your pack.

614
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: But when you take that pack off and set it

615
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: down and you remove from it and then all of

616
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: a sudden the bear that you see as an arms

617
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: reach away, getting it isn't really an option, especially if

618
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: the first thing you need to do is roll out

619
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: of the way of the thing. It's like you have

620
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: to have you have to have it kind of on

621
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: your chest. Mm hmm. I would even say having it

622
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: in the holster could be clumsy, you know. I mean

623
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: you can't just carry it well, I mean if you

624
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: take your pack off and you're just hanging aroun just

625
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: having it unholstered with the safety on just close to

626
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: you all the time. You could have it on your pack,

627
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: but have also like a secondary location where you if

628
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: you take that pack off, Like Rammy, you actually had

629
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: two holsters. Two holster approach. So I promised, I just

630
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: had a weird feeling about this trip, and I went

631
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: and bought a second holster in Anchorage on my layover

632
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: because I was like, and I promised myself, I said,

633
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: because I got just a weird you know those just

634
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: you feel a little uneasy, I said, I promised myself,

635
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: if I take my pack off, I'm gonna put my

636
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: pistol in my other holster, even if it's just to

637
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: go take a leak. I was diligent with it, though

638
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: one time during the trip I did not do it.

639
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: Was that that time because your packs right next to you,

640
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: and I think that that well it was, and I

641
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: remember seeing it sitting there and thinking to myself, I

642
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: should grab that pistol. I was thinking tap and I

643
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: sat and then the confusion of someone sitting where I

644
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: was sitting because I had I actually when we sat down,

645
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: I unclipped the unclipped the whole the part of the

646
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: safety catch, so it was ready to grab. Because I

647
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: was sitting down, I put my hand on it as

648
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: like a mock pull out, and then I got up

649
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: to get the water, and then people had moved and

650
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't sitting in that position anymore, and I thought, oh,

651
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: I'll grab that. But then throughout the week we had met,

652
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: we we had talked about, oh, our best defense is

653
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: going to be having six people. A bear wouldn't attack

654
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: six people, which is which I think, which is actually

655
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: which I ended up probably saving us or one person

656
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: from some kind of When I say the group thing,

657
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean when you have a bear who's like, oh,

658
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: there's some stuff, I'm gonna go over towards that stuff

659
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: to suss out what's going on. What they do, They

660
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: see stuff and they just go toward it. I think

661
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: having a group of people is is very intimidating to

662
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: a bear. It is And I think what made because

663
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm my dad is hyper bear and now bear anoid.

664
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: And after this experience, I'm gonna go apologize to him

665
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of times that I've done dumber

666
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: stuff than what we did, way dumber and had no consequence.

667
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: If you were by yourself under that tree, you'd be dead.

668
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: I agree with the question. Yeah. And and when my

669
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: brother and I were on the island previously, we took

670
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: very we were seeing bears, but we also took every precaution.

671
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: We never loitered around the meat treat. We moved the

672
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: meat to cash. Is the minute we got to the cash,

673
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: we climbed to the tree and looked. One person always

674
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: had their deterrent out. We we had a plan, and

675
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: we stuck to that plan because there was two of

676
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: us and we knew that it would probably be one person.

677
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: One person was always on the lookout, one person was

678
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: doing things we were. You know, we went in with

679
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: that plan and said, no matter what, that's what we're

680
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: gonna do. But with the amount of people we had

681
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: and not seeing bears and other things, that whole situation

682
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 1: got lax, you know. And and that's why my first

683
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: thought was, like, shot, I'm gonna die without in my pistols.

684
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: Right there. The best recommendation, the best recommendation, um, don't

685
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: hunt in bear country. Yeah, but that's not accessible, it's

686
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: not So you need to work down to a solution

687
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: that you can live with. Yeah, yeah, that's I think

688
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: that's very relevant. A solution you can live with is

689
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: I now realize no one wants to have like extra

690
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: unneeded stuff hanging off their body, but I can live

691
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: with the idea of having some annoying contraption, which in

692
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: in and of themselves are dangerous because I've been holes

693
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: by pepper spray. It sucks. H M. Handguns have inherent

694
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: dangers to yourself and your companions. So it's like you're

695
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: and I have at times been jokingly said, uh, pepper

696
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: spray is more dangerous than bears. Haven't been involved in

697
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: a couple of situations where peppers cans blew off, went

698
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: off inadvertently. So it's like you it's like you're, you're,

699
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: you're weighing all these things. But yeah, for the real

700
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: time recommendations, it has to be the reason I say,

701
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: your chest too. It has to be somewhere where you

702
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: can get it blind and your waist belt, your jacket

703
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: covers things, things get in the way. It's get caught

704
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: out now. I mean it right here is the easiest

705
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: place to reach, even if you're if you're on the ground,

706
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: you can defend yourself with your arms and still reach

707
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: your chest. And I had my GPS unit up front

708
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: on my waist belt and my spray and the whole

709
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: damn trip. I kept thinking that I should take a

710
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: second and reverse them so that the spray was easier

711
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: to get at, And every time I look at it,

712
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh yeah, I you know, I should

713
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: really get around to never did it. And that's still

714
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: the waste belt problem, the waiste belt problem. And to

715
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 1: think too that we used to we used to bowl

716
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: hunt elk. We sometimes have our spray in the lid

717
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: of our pack. What and the hell good is that? Well?

718
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: I have hunted this island with spray in my pack.

719
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: That's stupid. I will never do that again. No, you

720
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: only hurt yourself probably with spraying your back your gear.

721
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: I think if I could have a couple of minutes

722
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: on you take a minute, but there for me the recommendations, Um,

723
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: I think that for me it's like even a step

724
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: earlier or two steps earlier, Like I feel like we

725
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: did a good job coming in there making noise, but

726
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: then we quit making a noise, right. It's like and

727
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: you can read like on our website, you can go

728
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: to the articles about grizzly bear attacks and the prevention

729
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: stuff and stuff that that Frank van Mannett was talking

730
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: to us about. It's like constantly making noise. You know.

731
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: It's like where like bear belts come in you know,

732
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: to play where people attach them to their backpacks or

733
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: their hiking sticks whatever, you to avoid like utterly surprising. Yeah,

734
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: the surprise factor, you know. And I think that us,

735
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, making noise throughout you know, obviously not taking

736
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: the break, but making noise throughout the meat retrieval process

737
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: and basically done what we did after the attack, and

738
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: and sort of taking that approach without having that bear

739
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: come in. And again this is hindsight, right, but that's

740
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: how we should have done it. We should have gone

741
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: in there with freaking four four sets of eyes, two

742
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: dudes working the meat, two dudes packing the packs, four

743
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: sets of eyes looking all directions, constantly making noise, yelling,

744
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: being bearware, and moved out of there, even if it

745
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: is two yards, but to a place where we could

746
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: see and we couldn't get surprised. How do we if

747
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: we could see a hundred yards every direction, we wouldn't

748
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: have been surprised. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I was actually

749
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: gonna add that that, like, and I tried to earlier,

750
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: I said, like, the first mistake was lingering under the

751
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: hanging tree. But yeah, like without really knowing, I feel

752
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: as though had we done what you're just saying, this

753
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: might not have happened and hooting and holler and the

754
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: whole time, standing up, big presence, loud presence, deterrence, drawn yelling,

755
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: hey bear, hey bear, hey bear, getting what you needed

756
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: to get taken care of, and getting out of there,

757
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: very loud, lots of noise, clustered together, standing up bodies. Yeah.

758
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: What I could add is I think when you do

759
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: that right, you get into this mode where say, say

760
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: we did that, nothing would have happened. Then you get

761
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: this mindset like, well, nothing happened, it was a waste

762
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: of time. Can get that. Yeah, But from if we

763
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: could lend any advice to anyone is if it feels

764
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: like a waste of time, it's working. You already know

765
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: that you're in the mix. Just assume that it's going

766
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: to happen, and then when it doesn't happen, whatever you're

767
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: doing is the correct solution. But by us getting that

768
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: waysy like, oh it doesn't happen, it hasn't. I mean

769
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: I've spent a good portion of my lifetime in bear

770
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: country and had nothing happened. Yeah. It's like the first

771
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: time you go take a growler, you select the growler

772
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 1: site where you can see you got the shotgun right

773
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: with some slugs, you got your spray by the third growler,

774
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: You're out there in the dark, chalked up some burm.

775
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: How many times did I ask you where your bear

776
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: space was? And how come you weren't carrying it? To times?

777
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: Too many times I was like, I don't, I got

778
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: too much, I got can't, I got too much stuff,

779
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: I got time for I don't got time for spray.

780
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: That's the other unique thing though, too, is filming. You're

781
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: like in you're on your monitor, not necessarily aware of

782
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, you guys should awareness, but yeah, you need to.

783
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: You need to have a system before you go in

784
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: and stick to the system. And because you aren't having

785
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: encounters or whatever, you just go like Pooh made it

786
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,479
Speaker 1: through that day without an encounter. But I'm still doing

787
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: my system, still doing my system. It's almost like it's

788
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: a pain in the ass, but it's better than getting mauled.

789
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: It's almost like like my brother Danny has the thing

790
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: they do when they're moves on. This has nothing to

791
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: do with bears, but it's interesting. Thing is people get

792
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: carried away in the moment when you're moves on. It's

793
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: hard to pack moves. So he'll go up hunt with

794
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: a group of his buddies and because they know that

795
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: you get carried away in the moment, they'll that like, okay,

796
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: before we go, before we get started, what is the

797
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 1: distance that everyone in this group agrees, we will pack

798
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: a bull and draw that line now and then later.

799
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: There is no room for someone to be like, ha, guys,

800
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: I shot one four miles off the river because there's

801
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: no room for like making individual assessments about what's past.

802
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: It's like they come into it, we're like, okay, we

803
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: all agree, we're hunting on our own and everyone here.

804
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: If someone kills a bull within a mile and a

805
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: half of the river corridor, everyone's cool, and that's we're

806
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: packing and unless you want to move it yourself, stay

807
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: within one point five miles of this river corridor. And

808
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: it works for them. I feel that a good bear

809
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: approach would beat that. If you have a hunting partner, um,

810
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: this doesn't like work for like my brother Matt like

811
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: largely hunts alone. This is self enforced. But if you

812
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: have a hunting partner or hunting partners that you would

813
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: prior to trip. So like, what's our bear plan? Yeah, now,

814
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: let's make a deal that this bear plant plan is

815
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: concrete and it is not open to it's not open

816
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: to like later complacency or different interpretations of it. Like

817
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: our bear plan is this. At any given time, you

818
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: have whatever we determined through our own research to be

819
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: the most effective deterrent for where we are be at

820
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: a pump shotgun with slugs, a pistol, spray pistol l

821
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: and spray redundant systems. That our bear plan is such

822
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: that there's no deviation from this plan, and we agree

823
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: that that's how I think that that needs to become

824
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: our way. Yeah. So I just think that one of

825
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: the most interesting things of this experience to me was

826
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: the mindset. Okay, so before the event, our mindset was

827
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: such that we were not going to be attacked by

828
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: bears and treated it like that. From the moment that

829
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: bear attacked us till the time we got the heck

830
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: off the island, we were expecting to be attacked. Everywhere

831
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: I looked completely flipped. It went from Oh, they don't

832
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: attack to oh, we are going to be attacked. It

833
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: was and we did see another bear after, and it

834
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: was instead of but had we seen that bear before,

835
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: we thought, oh a bear, no big deal. Now we

836
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: saw that bear and said that bear wants to kill.

837
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: Another thing that people another thing This interesting, man is

838
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: I think about a lot of the lessons I learned

839
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: from our time talking to the uh Rourke Denver, who's

840
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: an author and a retired seal commander, and him talking

841
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: about that they train in practice so much in such

842
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: real situations that when you're actually doing something, like the

843
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: training is so real and so ingrained that when you

844
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: actually go and do it and in his case, that

845
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: you're actually thrust onto the battle field, it doesn't feel

846
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: any different to have it be in reality than what

847
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: it did. That what you were trained to do, Like

848
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: the training is so real and repeated that it's fluid

849
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: to go into reality. He didn't even think like when

850
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: he was actually in situate, he never thought about it

851
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: being like, oh, this is the real thing because everything

852
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: was so real. And I feel that a good system

853
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: with like a good system with sort of managing your

854
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: deterrence would be that you would with your bodies kind

855
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: of test it. Right, Do you think you're cool? Like

856
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: where you is your spray cool? I don't know. Let's

857
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: let's see, like, okay, get your spray. Yeah, how much

858
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: time it was? It's like seven seconds? But you get

859
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: your spray out. That's not a good system. Yeah. Now

860
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: I have a lot of analogies running through my head

861
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: about um and Garrett and Pat. You guys can speak

862
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: to this too, about like staying safe in the back country,

863
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, learning how to use your avalanche beacon, reading snow,

864
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: making group decisions, you know, practicing, it's practicing, I mean, yeah, practicing, digging,

865
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: you know, using your probe. I mean it's proven that,

866
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, groups, the bigger the group is, the more

867
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: dumb decisions are made. You know. It's like another similarity. Um.

868
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like I don't I've I've discharged

869
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: bear spray. You said you have just you. Yeah, so

870
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: three out of the six of us have three, haven't

871
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: That should be mandatory that everybody sprayed it. Yeah, And

872
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: Dirt was even that we ran out of time. Dirt

873
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: was even asking about caught loose with a can. Um. Yeah,

874
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: if you if you carry spray or if they even

875
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: make like a non act they make a non active

876
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: ingredient of practice, can do that just to know what

877
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: I mean. The throw is an impressive cloud. That thing

878
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: actually kicks when you hit the button. It throws an

879
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: impressive cloud. But practice with it. The nice thing about

880
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: the one with no active ingredient is you can see

881
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: how it works in the wind, because a big problem

882
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: we had is we were in an area with very

883
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: high winds and came in with the wind. So, yeah,

884
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: that's a weird thing too. He came into us traveling

885
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: with the wind. You all. You know, if someone said

886
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: to me him and bear is gonna come attack, you'd

887
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, he's gonna come from down wind, because

888
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: he's down wind right now. But he didn't. He didn't,

889
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: he didn't play the wind. The thing I was thinking

890
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: about um about the bear plan is like you got

891
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: all your deterrence and you're all set up and you practice,

892
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: but a bearrett say, a bear charges you, and neither

893
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: your shotgun jams or your spray doesn't go off, or

894
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: something happens in your group and you're with somebody or

895
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: you're alone and you do end up getting mauled. What's

896
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: your plan to like get help at that point? Because

897
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: like that's what I was thinking about. I was like,

898
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: if somebody here got mauled and I had to be

899
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: the one to like make a call to the coast

900
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: guard or whoever the hell they get a HELLI back, like,

901
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do that. So like knowing

902
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: that kind of thing about like where you're at, who

903
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: you're going to contact, having something on you that allows

904
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: you to reach the outside world in those situations is

905
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: a good idea. And that's applicable to any emergency. Oh yeah,

906
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: because in it most kind of like travel like this. Um,

907
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's like we could have the same discuss

908
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: if one of us had gotten a compound fracture. We

909
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: could have a big conversation about having a compound fracture

910
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: on your femur. So yeah, there's there's that kind of stuff.

911
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: You guys all know the A K Troopers, which is

912
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: the line you call for help when you're out in

913
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: the bush. It's in the SAT phone for that reason.

914
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: That's good. I also had a emergency beacon on me. Yeah,

915
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: but their thing is travel with and this is something

916
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: we do pretty good at, is uh. I mean people

917
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: come into our organization and and out of it, and

918
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: I think that the people that stay within our organization

919
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: are cool headed people. So, um, if you're testing out

920
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: new hunting buddies and stuff, this isn't like a good

921
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: place to find out if someone's a good fit. Yeah,

922
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: do it somewhere else. You don't want to be with

923
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: a guy that dude. If somebody just freaked out and panic,

924
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 1: that ain't bad. Situation gone even worse. Yeah. And I've

925
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: been with people who a couple of times, I've been

926
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: with people who like full on legit had like panic

927
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: attacks about kind of like wilderness travel and and and um, yeah,

928
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: you just don't want to be around I don't mind

929
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: like talking to those guys like you know, I don't

930
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: mind talking to people like that, but I don't like

931
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: being around him in situations it could turn dicey. But

932
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: give me. Yeah, it shook me out, man. I mean

933
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: just like just for me to kind of like for

934
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: me to kind of summarize it. Um, it was. It

935
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: was a it was a real eye opener, and it

936
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: made me reassass a lot of assumptions I had about, uh,

937
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: how I would like to think I am. And it

938
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: was because I didn't. I don't like knowing that a real,

939
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: big bad surprise can snap me, A real big bad

940
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: surprise can so readily snap me out of um uh,

941
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: out of my my my mental processes. But without you know,

942
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: you could get really hard on yourself about that. But

943
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: also you could be like, well I managed the roll

944
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: clear of the bear. Yeah, maybe there's some guys somewhere

945
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: that wouldn't have done that. It's a laid down gotten

946
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. So it's like, so you want to

947
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: be like nothing happened. So maybe we did as good

948
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: as we could have done. And this is an important

949
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: point we talked about a lot among ourselves afterwards. Even

950
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: if everyone had had no, No, Remy felt that he

951
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: had times he saw it coming. If I had had

952
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: a pistol or pepper spray in my actual hand the

953
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: way I was, there would have never been a safe

954
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: opportunity to discharge it. Oh No, I would have been

955
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: where I was, I would have been at risk of

956
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: shooting one of us because I was behind people. It

957
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: sounds like Remy and Janice could have possibly had a

958
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: chance to Oh, had I had it in my hands

959
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: safely safety and sprayed m Yeah for sure. Yeah so yeah,

960
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: so yeah, because I had Yeah, I would have had

961
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: time to it would have had, I think though, the

962
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: way we were sitting, it would have had to been

963
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: on my chest because it would have been really hard

964
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, I don't know about that's the thing.

965
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: Like again, I didn't make the decision, but something like

966
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: I've been carrying the freaking thing on me for a week.

967
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: I feel like in all of September, I've had a

968
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: bear spray on my hip almost and it just like

969
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: did it didn't come through my head to pull the

970
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: bear spray? And I don't know if that was no

971
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: real decision came through my head, except I just was

972
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: like in this like it was almost like an out

973
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: of body experience. There's somebody else there like just doing

974
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: this motion. And then once the bear was running away

975
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: and we started talking, and again that might have been

976
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: me swimming through the murky waters of my capsized ship

977
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: next to it. But yeah, it just it's like it

978
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: wasn't a thing. And I don't even like even if

979
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: it was on my chest, I don't know if there

980
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: would have been the time to pull it out, but

981
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: we never practiced. I feel like we need to start

982
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: doing things. Draw. Yeah, like now that someone's just draw

983
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: and everbody has to whip their ship. Yeah, me and

984
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: my brother would do that, like, yeah, we do. That's

985
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: the test. Your say it, like, okay, spray and rip

986
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: and grab or pistol or whatever you've got or rife,

987
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, and to see how just like when you're

988
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: a kid, or even now, I still do it. When

989
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm wings shooting, I will walk around, I'll throw the

990
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: gun up, constantly throwing the gun up, even though I've

991
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: shot Chucker my entire life. In those mountains, I practiced

992
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: throwing the gun up randomly because when that flush happens,

993
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: I needed to be instinct to put that gun to

994
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: my cheek and shoot and I and yeah, there was Well,

995
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: Dirk got a picture of me practice drawing. Actually I

996
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: did a couple of times. But yeah. I one time

997
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: watched uh, I was watching the Green Bray a team

998
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: train and what they were working on the moment I

999
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: have to be watching them is they're working on transitioning

1000
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: from your rifle to your pistol. It was like they're

1001
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: doing drills where you drop one and picked the other

1002
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: one up, and like, dude, I never once it was like,

1003
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: so what would happen if I really needed to quickly

1004
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: get my pepper spray out? Um, that's probably a whole

1005
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: lot more would say about it. I got got the

1006
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: elk out, ran another bear on the way that. Well,

1007
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna say on a cycle. Like, the biggest thing

1008
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to wrestle with now is keeping that due

1009
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: diligence up, but also being able to enjoy and relax

1010
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: in Bearer country because I love outside of hunting. I'm

1011
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: out in mountains with bears all the time, and I

1012
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: don't want to be I don't want to let this

1013
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: that experience, you know, be a constant anxiety. And I

1014
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: think the way to fight that is to know that

1015
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: you're doing everything you're you can do and then just

1016
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: focus on the enjoyment of of the mountains in the

1017
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: wildlife to no no, but it's it's you know, at

1018
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: a point on that hike out, it was like I

1019
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: just can't deal with us, but you're like, no, I can't.

1020
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: I just gotta be Yeah. I feel like if anybody

1021
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: did after that, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say anything. I

1022
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: would like if you found me, I would would be understanding.

1023
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: But I like the places that I always have liked

1024
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: the place to have them. Like, if you gave me

1025
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: two options, you can hunt in a place that has

1026
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: them or a place that doesn't, I'm always going to

1027
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: pick the place that does because I like there. I

1028
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: like their presence, and I like the knowing that part

1029
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:30,479
Speaker 1: of that is. Part of that is like um, kind

1030
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: of feeling not comfortable with risk, but kind of feeling

1031
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: like drawn to risk. And that's and I'm I'm definitely

1032
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: no doubt about it back to my normal state with

1033
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: the addition of being diligent on you know, knowing what

1034
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: needs to happen. The physiologist Jared Diamond, Um, he's a

1035
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: bunch of things, but that's one of the things he studied.

1036
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: He had this idea of why is why is really

1037
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: reckless behavior? Why was it not um wiped out through

1038
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: natural selection? Because when it comes to natural selection, you

1039
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: have like sexual selection. In a natural selection, so sexual

1040
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: selection would be things that UM enhance and organisms ability

1041
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: to reproduce. So like having like big antlers, having like

1042
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: giant antlers is in one hand, can be a detriment. Okay,

1043
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: you're putting a lot of energy in the production of

1044
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: those antlers. That's not helpful. You could be putting it

1045
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: into fat reserves. Um, it's harder to get around through

1046
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: the woods, right, you got big antlers on your head,

1047
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: you can't maneuver as good. So that's like a detriment.

1048
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: So what is the point, Well, the point is there

1049
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: could be sexual selection, Like the females look at that

1050
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,439
Speaker 1: and they want to breed with you. And so even

1051
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: though like natural selection might it might not fit with

1052
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: that sexual it makes up for it in sexual selection.

1053
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: He has this idea of like why would it be

1054
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: that you have Like why would it be that you'd

1055
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: have Why is it attractive to a species like the

1056
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,479
Speaker 1: human species to be like that someone can really party hard?

1057
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: Like why would it being a hard partier not have

1058
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: been just eliminated through sexual or natural selection? And there's

1059
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: a sort of thing this idea he gets. I'm not

1060
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: doing a very good job articulating it, but it's a

1061
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: demonstration of fitness to be like I am so fit

1062
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: that I can afford to do something so reckless in

1063
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: such a dramatic expenditure of energy, Like that's how fit

1064
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: I am and come out of the other side of

1065
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: that still walking. So the idea of like why are

1066
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: you drawn towards risk? Like why has it like risk

1067
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: been wheedled out? You know, it could just be that

1068
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: it's like a demonstration. It's like you're demonstrating a level

1069
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: of preparedness and level of fitness by courting disaster and

1070
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: that in hindsight, was amazing experience. Dude, I wouldn't have

1071
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: it any other way. It worked because it worked out. Yeah, alright, Garrett.

1072
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: Concluding thoughts, The experience without the consequence was a gift

1073
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: by Mr Brown Bear a fog neck and with this crew,

1074
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: Like when when we got out of the the swampy

1075
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: waters of our intellect, we were tight tight, like I mean,

1076
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: there was a still fear, but I felt like we

1077
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: it was like I wouldn't want to be with anybody

1078
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: any other people, Like everyone was on the same page.

1079
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: Damn get this meet out of there. There was some

1080
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: group cohesion there. But I also literally and figurative there

1081
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: was something that we didn't mention was after the rest

1082
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: of the No, well, this is I think something that

1083
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: needs to be mentioned before we sign off the rest

1084
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: of the suck of the day. The sock is But yeah,

1085
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we had the bear attack. It's a story

1086
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: worth telling. The bear attack and then the gayale force

1087
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: winds which destroyed our camp. So not only do we

1088
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: have a bear attack that same day, we come back

1089
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: to a destroyed camp. To to describe the winds as

1090
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: we're nearing the past, that we've went over I don't know,

1091
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: a half dozen times during the week, some winds come

1092
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: up to the point that Stephen, I think Chris. Chris

1093
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: got knocked over by the knocked down by the wind.

1094
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: And moments later Pat's rain cover gets ripped off of

1095
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: his pack and disappears into the sky like a helium.

1096
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like the even chance that you would try

1097
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: to go find everybody in the panel of Florida, it's

1098
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: probably like whatever, freaking little bitches. You don't know what

1099
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: wind is. But it was windy, and so we went.

1100
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: When we crest over the past and look down, I

1101
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: see a sleeping pad from from I think what was

1102
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: a thousand feet above camp, I see a sleeping pad

1103
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: with sheets of rain. Yeah. Yeah, And then having to

1104
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 1: disassemble tents, redo a bear fence because now we're all

1105
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: to get killed, re set up tents, dry out, wet

1106
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: sleeping bags, fighting hypothermia the entire time. Yeah, it was

1107
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: just it was a very taxing day. It was. It

1108
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: was a mostly taxing you know, hypothermia gets way more

1109
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: people then. Yeah, And I could picture in that situation,

1110
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: I could picture like the like a loan or a

1111
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: pair of inexperienced campers could have gotten in that situation

1112
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: and also on themselves in very serious trouble. I think

1113
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: we had two pretty close brushes with some trouble. Trouble,

1114
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: serious trouble. That's a song by the National Trouble Will

1115
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: Find Me. It found us on multiple occasions. Um Pounder. Uh,

1116
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: My concluding thought was gonna be kind of piggybacking off

1117
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: of what Dirt said. Just thankful to if you know,

1118
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: having to go through that at all, just going through

1119
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: it with a group of dudes like you, guys that

1120
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 1: are just like level headed and able to handle troublesome

1121
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: situations and be cool with it. You wouldn't trade it.

1122
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: Good Now, I'm gonna go back to your lonely apartment.

1123
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: This is not lonely. I got a lady there. You're

1124
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:55,440
Speaker 1: gonna go back to Miss Pounder and tell the story. Yeah,

1125
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: I think I would trade it for going in there

1126
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: and doing a few things differently and not having it happen. Oh,

1127
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: to trade it to not have it happen at all. Yeah,

1128
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I want to trade it. Now it happened.

1129
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad it happened. Learning experience, that's true. Yeah, if

1130
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: you like that that way, I don't want it to

1131
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: happen again. But yeah, I wouldn't trade it. I don't

1132
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: have too much, but I do know that in the

1133
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: net the minutes, maybe half an hour. Like he said,

1134
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: it took half an hour to quick shake, and I

1135
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: didn't get the shakes, but it took me maybe half

1136
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: an hour minutes to catch my breath. Yeah, yeah, I didn't.

1137
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: I didn't get Yeah. I didn't mean to say it

1138
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: for I don't know why I didn't, but I didn't

1139
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: have that like I when I got the gun pulled

1140
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: on me. I didn't get the shakes, but I got

1141
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: something else. YEA, Well, no, I mean the the endorphins,

1142
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, adrenaline. Uh. You know, it's a freaking serious

1143
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: high that you're taking on and then you know, coming

1144
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: down off of that, it's uh. I got emotional quite

1145
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 1: a few times. I kept thinking about how I really

1146
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: wanted to give my kids a huge I thought about

1147
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: that a lot by the way out of there. Um.

1148
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: But no, that's about it. It was a fun trip.

1149
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: It was an adventure. It's like you said, this is

1150
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: gonna be one of those ones that's fun to talk

1151
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: about later. But wasn't that much fun while you were there? Yeah,

1152
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: because I was gonna ask you your honest just as

1153
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: a direct question. I felt like the you know a

1154
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: little bit afterwards, your demeanor had changed, and I was

1155
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: kind of curious, Now he's not back to normal, and

1156
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: it's you know, is it the family that runs through

1157
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: your mind? Is it the thought of are you mad

1158
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: at yourself for not doing things the right way? Like?

1159
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: Or is it just kind of a general funk where

1160
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: it was like that was a real shitty experience. You're

1161
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: more of a learning lesson. I was just kind of

1162
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: curious on your take on it. Oh yeah, I think

1163
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: it's just just processing it all still. You know, I'm

1164
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: not through processing it, and uh, I feel a lot

1165
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: of responsibility, you know, not really to you, to Remy

1166
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: and Steve, because I feel like you guys just sort

1167
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: of here on other or don't know, different here as

1168
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: a guest, you know, but the guys that you know,

1169
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: I hire, and you know we sort of set up

1170
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: you know, Um, I apologize to all of them from

1171
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: putting it into that. You know, I could feel that

1172
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: on you because like you're you're a natural leader, Like

1173
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: you have leadership tendencies, and when when I could sense

1174
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: that you were down on yourself, I imagined, Um, I

1175
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: imagine that you were feeling like you were feeling like

1176
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: some level of responsibility, which you should know at least,

1177
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,480
Speaker 1: I may be for both of us, like I understand

1178
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 1: the ticket that I'm signing up for. Oh sure, yeah, yeah, no,

1179
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not. Yeah, I'm I'm not. No. Yeah, I

1180
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: know that. You know, you guys, you guys get the

1181
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: heads up for sure. But that still doesn't it just

1182
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: like you know, that's what it feels like. Um, but yeah,

1183
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess it's just it does suck,

1184
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: you know, because we do. We all keep thinking about like,

1185
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: well would have happened had you know? For me, it

1186
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: keeps like I keep just that moment of like the

1187
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: bear turned, Why did he turn? You know, I have

1188
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: no idea, but he turned, and that like it changed

1189
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: it all right, because you know, you having to call

1190
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: my wife, you know, and because man you're telling something,

1191
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, um, telling her you know, some bad news. Uh,

1192
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: I feel shitty about it. So yeah, just a lot

1193
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: of process. So yeah, I guess, yeah, I think that

1194
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 1: out of everyone after the situation, you definitely had the

1195
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: most weight on your shoulders of you know, you're responsible

1196
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: for this crew of guys, and I could see that.

1197
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: You know, if I was on a guiding trip and

1198
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: something like that happened, I would feel like it was

1199
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: my responsibility to the people that I brought in there.

1200
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: I can understand, probably even legally. Yeah. But no, Yeah,

1201
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: so that that was That's a lot, it's a lot

1202
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: of process. But you did, you you, I mean that's

1203
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: what I said. I felt at ease afterwards because of

1204
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: your presence. You did do a very good point. You know,

1205
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: I did feel protected because you were there and that

1206
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: behind us with that piste. Yeah, or even like I

1207
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: feel like you were a big part of that whole

1208
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: when we regrouped, like all right, you guys start protecting

1209
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:24,520
Speaker 1: like Steve's getting the meat. You were, Yeah, you did.

1210
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: You were a leader that made it efficient and safe. Pat,

1211
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: what's your take because you do a lot of you

1212
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: do a lot of things that are more high risk

1213
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: because you like to climb. That's what stuff ice, stuff whitewater.

1214
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 1: Uhuh And I love that that risk element that's more

1215
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: like that's more risky than el coton. Well yeah, climbing

1216
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: it that's what. That's what. When Yanni called me up

1217
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: and suggested that come on this trip, I was like,

1218
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: hell yeah, that sounds like a badass trip. Like I

1219
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: want to be involved. You know, if he had been

1220
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: if you called me up and said, hey, we're going

1221
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: to Maryland or whatever, I probably would have been like,

1222
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm busy. But I had nothing else going

1223
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: on us, and I was like, hell, yeah, I'll go

1224
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: to Alaska and you know, brown Bear Country and you

1225
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: guys need to call if you guys, are anybody out

1226
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: there looking for work Pat because he always had so

1227
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: much of it. No, no, no, that's not what I've said.

1228
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: But it was like a trip you can't turn down,

1229
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,839
Speaker 1: you know, because of the risk element sort of appealed

1230
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: to me. But like a couple of days before this

1231
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: whole thing happened, I was talking to Garrett. I'm like,

1232
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a hunter, you know im, And

1233
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: we're kind of talking. We both like kayak and do

1234
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: some stuff like that, and I was like, you know

1235
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: what like hunting, Like it's cool being out in these

1236
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: remote places, you know, chasing these animals around, but it's

1237
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 1: just not like quite the adrenaline rush you know that

1238
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: I get from other activities. And we were saying, like

1239
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: you said to like pulling the trigger might be a yeah, yeah,

1240
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: I've I've never like shot something. I'd imagine that's and

1241
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: like being a part of like the full process. You know,

1242
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm just here too, like carry stuff and shoot some

1243
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: b roll and stuff. But um, yeah, having this happened

1244
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: completely changed my perspective on what hunters have to deal with,

1245
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know, it's just crazy. It

1246
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: was way scarier, way more of an adrenaline rush than

1247
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: I've ever gotten from anything I've ever done ice climbing,

1248
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: big wall climbing, kayaking, rafting. Yeah, it's not even close.

1249
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: It was like I've never felt like I was gonna die,

1250
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: like quite as much three seconds that this bear was

1251
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: like on our on our ship, you know, oh my god. Yeah,

1252
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was really reassuring to be with all

1253
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,839
Speaker 1: you guys who I know have spent your entire lives,

1254
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, dedicated to hunting, being outside. You guys know

1255
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 1: your ship more than anyone I've I've met. So it

1256
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: was like when we re huddled and the bear was

1257
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: still you know, somewhere out there in the woods, I

1258
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: was scared shitless, but at the same time, it felt

1259
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: really good having you guys there with me too. So yeah,

1260
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: it was a hell of a trip. I'm I'm really

1261
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: glad I was along for the ride. Uh yeah, no,

1262
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: I think um. At first, I was worried that this

1263
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: trip wouldn't stack up to the level of suckage that

1264
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: I had experienced. He was afraid it wasn't sucking off

1265
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: and he'd seem like a guy who blew the suckle arm.

1266
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: You know those guys who are like, oh yeah, that

1267
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: was real tough. And then everyone I was something like,

1268
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? What a woos you know?

1269
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: And I feel like it met my expectations. I was

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Speaker 1: a little worried we weren't gonna get those gale force

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Speaker 1: winds that I promised the honest would happen, because I

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01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: was like, it's gonna be windy. Can these tends to

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Speaker 1: handle this and that and the other thing. So we

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01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: got the wind, we got the bears, we got the hike,

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Speaker 1: we got the water. It just overall reinforced my belief

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Speaker 1: that I don't necessarily have to do that again, but

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Speaker 1: we'll probably find myself there and um, and it also,

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Speaker 1: I think was a good wake up call for me

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Speaker 1: that I needed, uh, because I told myself that I

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Speaker 1: needed that wake up call, but still felt lax and

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01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: didn't do things I didn't I honestly was felt. The

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01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: worst part about it is me feeling like I didn't

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Speaker 1: do what I knew I should have done. And maybe

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Speaker 1: it was the group thing because I just don't do

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01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: things like that. It was just I just felt like

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Speaker 1: I did things that were out of character for the

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Speaker 1: way I would do things, and it led to situations

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Speaker 1: that were bad. So outside of that, you know, you

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01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: just gotta stick to what you tell yourself you're gonna

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Speaker 1: do and be diligent about the way you do something

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Speaker 1: and not take it for granted. Yeah, because there's yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's your you know, you know, Steve, yourself and this

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01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: whole crew. We put ourselves in a lot of these

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01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: situations that if you if you go about it right,

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01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a problem. But there's always that element if

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Speaker 1: something could happen. And I'm fully aware of that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I this last year was hunting water Buffalo completely alone

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Speaker 1: with no emergency system, in just a bow. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's dangerous, it's stupid. I got charged there, but it

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01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: was not anything is scary? Is that? Baar? Like I

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Speaker 1: legitimately thought, this is how I'm gonna die, And that

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01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: is not a I've had that happen in a handful

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Speaker 1: of times in my life, and I just really, you know.

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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I wasn't. I used it

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Speaker 1: more of as a learning lesson than anything. And I

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Speaker 1: hope that you know, with all the platform that we have,

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Speaker 1: ID like to see my life as a good way

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01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: to take what I've learned and showcase it to other

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Speaker 1: people so they can maybe learn from my mistakes, learn

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Speaker 1: from my successes, and they go out in the field

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Speaker 1: and they can have a better a good experience with

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Speaker 1: having to put in a less amount of time. So

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Speaker 1: I think that if you're listening to the podcast, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's just six guys sitting here bullshitting about

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Speaker 1: some bear story, because I've heard bear stories before, and

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Speaker 1: I haven't taken away what I should have taken away

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01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: from those bear stories. I sat down on a couch

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Speaker 1: and a setting like this from a guy that was

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01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: mauled by a bear in that within five miles of

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Speaker 1: that spot, and I didn't learn from his lessons this morning.

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01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: His brother got mauled by a bear twenty years ago.

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01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I think that if there's a takeaway

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Speaker 1: take away the things that we're talking about, and the

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Speaker 1: other takeaway is it reaffirmed my belief that when it

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Speaker 1: actually goes down, like you're saying, you don't know what

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01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: you're it's just you play it out in your head

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01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,480
Speaker 1: a million times, but the actual one that would probably

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01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: get you maybe semi out of your control anyways, and

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Speaker 1: you just gotta go with knowing that that's how it

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Speaker 1: may go down. I got two concluders. One, if you

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Speaker 1: had this coffee table in a house where you were

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01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: raising children, you would get nothing done besides taking those

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01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: children down for stitches. The blade coming out of my

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Speaker 1: side of this beautiful table, it was beautiful. I look

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01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: at I imagine little kids with cut foreheads think that's

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Speaker 1: what it is. It's a it's a birch burrow. That's

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Speaker 1: a giant. I would think it's a spruce. S don't. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My second conclusion thought is it's like I always try

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Speaker 1: to you know what I'm thinking about hunting man. When

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01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell people it's like there's two ously there's two things.

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01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you remove the food, I wouldn't do

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Speaker 1: it anymore, Okay, um, because it was the tangible thing

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01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: would be gone and I need that like I need

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01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:28,560
Speaker 1: like in my stuff. I really like like tangible results. Um.

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01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 1: And if you remove the fun, I wouldn't do it either.

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Speaker 1: Look when I mean a guy who's like, oh, you know,

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01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: I just I don't believe in industrial livestock production, so

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01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: I just hunt for my food. I'm like, but you

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01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: know what, dude, you're having fun hunting. Stop acting like

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01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: this is not like you're like, oh brother, here we

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01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: go again. You gotta go hunting again, right, You're enjoying

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01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: it all right. So I was like, if you remove

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01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: the fun, I wouldn't like it anymore. Would I wouldn't.

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01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,799
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it anymore. If you remove the food,

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01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it anymore. Um. But I almost feel

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Speaker 1: like that needs to be That third thing is like

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Speaker 1: if the surprise was gone, if the not if the

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01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 1: every time you wake up, just like being being in

1359
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 1: a situation, we just can't imagine everything that will happen

1360
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Speaker 1: today that uh, that they would lose something to Callahan.

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01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: Not long ago, Ryan Callahan was talking about the feeling

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Speaker 1: of someone says, oh, I got a private pond stocked

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Speaker 1: with trout would you like to come fish? Cal's like,

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Speaker 1: you're always gonna go once and he were like, he's right,

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Speaker 1: this is great. There's a lot of fishness pond, but

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Speaker 1: you're never gonna go a second time because you've eliminated

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01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: the mystery. Well, it depends on the human because unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: talking about the worthwhile ones, that's hard because there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people that even okay, okay, the kind I

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Speaker 1: like to associate with or I don't know, there's two

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Speaker 1: kinds of people. There's people who think they can divide

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Speaker 1: everyone into two groups, and then there's that's a joke.

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Speaker 1: That was my concluding thought. I love the surprise and mystery. No,

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Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah, you know, I always you know, we uh,

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Speaker 1: my brother and I don't want to say we argue,

1376
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: but we debate about like the name of you know,

1377
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: the hunt e the T shirts, right, and it's just

1378
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 1: like we'd like someone us want to really push the

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01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 1: whole like, oh, you're constantly just you know, hunting for

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01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 1: the food, hunting for the food, hunt for the food.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, really, I mean, yes, for me, I'm

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01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: not even that much like you are. We're like, I

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01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 1: would just give it up if you took away the

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01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: food aspect of it. I have to get to that

1385
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 1: point and then think about it. But for me, if

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01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: you took away the chase and like you're saying, the

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01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: unknown and the adventure and the exercise and just the

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01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: whole activity and the process of the hunt, then I

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Speaker 1: would not do it. Yeah. Ite, Like if you were,

1390
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna draw some kind of golf analogy, but

1391
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:11,839
Speaker 1: I'm real bad on golf. I feel like the the

1392
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 1: there's the same thing applies to to our job, minding

1393
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 1: Garrett's jobs because I don't always you know, I'm not

1394
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 1: always on this show working on hunting stuff. But like

1395
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: the same thing, if like the surprise of waking up

1396
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: and like, oh what am I gonna see today went

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01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: away and stop being fun, I wouldn't do it. Like

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Speaker 1: if I was working on like some show that was like, oh,

1399
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do the same thing every day,

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01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: I would probably try to find something else to do. Yeah,

1401
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: for sure, And you do some when you're not working

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01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: with us, you're still doing sketchy ship, doing some rowdy stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's it. Thanks for tuning in.