Speaker 1: I didn't go to the gym in high school. I
Speaker 1: was at RTC, I didn't. When I got out of TC,
Speaker 1: I was ready to die for this country. I joined
Speaker 1: the military and got in one of the most violent
Speaker 1: jobs you could get. I was. I was field artillery
Speaker 1: and and then nothing that. It wasn't that I wasn't
Speaker 1: smart enough to get another job. I didn't want another job.
Speaker 1: That's what you wanted it, That's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: And then I came home and some white dude call
Speaker 1: me a nigga. I'm like, hold on, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what fighting a game? Do you know this ship? I
Speaker 1: would do for you to be able to stand here
Speaker 1: in front of me and talk to me like I
Speaker 1: don't matter, right, that's Mr Nigger to you, sir. Chips
Speaker 1: were racist, money home turn stuff. You can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep,
Speaker 1: there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
Speaker 1: to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the
Speaker 1: podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of
Speaker 1: black conspiracy theories and we finally work to prove that
Speaker 1: the Vida ligo on Winnie Harlow's body is in fact
Speaker 1: a map to finding Tupac. That's right, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: if you lay out all of Winnie Harlow's spots, you
Speaker 1: will find where Tupac is living. Some people say Cuba,
Speaker 1: some people say the Philippines. I say, turned to Winnie.
Speaker 1: Stop trying to figure this out on your own. Let's
Speaker 1: talk to Winnie about this ship. Let's take a picture
Speaker 1: of her naked body. And that's not just because I
Speaker 1: want to see what it looks like under there. That's
Speaker 1: because I want to see where Pok is. Anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: your host, length Sting Kerman. I'm coming in hot as always,
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, this is not how you should behave
Speaker 1: This is I gotta do better. But you know who
Speaker 1: doesn't need to do better? You know who's doing just
Speaker 1: goddamn fine. He's spectacular. It is my guest today. He's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I've I've known of his work for so long and
Speaker 1: it is such a pleasure to have him here. And
Speaker 1: more importantly, he has some brand new special coming out
Speaker 1: on YouTube. It's called Lockdown Detroit. I know it's gonna
Speaker 1: be funny as fun You guys are gonna love him.
Speaker 1: Please give it up for Robert, Hi, what's happening baby?
Speaker 1: But man, hey, man, I'm a big fan. Every time
Speaker 1: I hear that open, I'm like, man, this is funny.
Speaker 1: This is like one of the things, like one of
Speaker 1: the movies you're watching, you find something that you missed before.
Speaker 1: Every time you are, I think it's so funny in
Speaker 1: a bazing Oh thanks man. This dude, Nick Chambers, who's
Speaker 1: a very funny comedian, made it. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that we talked about when he made it was
Speaker 1: we wanted to put as many Easter eggs in it
Speaker 1: as possible so that when people listening back there like
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were saying that, and that's pretty
Speaker 1: fucked up, but I'm glad you said it anyway, played
Speaker 1: played the intro again. I'm excited you're here because you
Speaker 1: came with a conspiracy theory. That is when it came out,
Speaker 1: when when it touched ground for the folks at home,
Speaker 1: it caused a lot of controversy. It was a very
Speaker 1: jarring conspiracy theory, to say the least. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to belabor this anymore. But
Speaker 1: you said, my mama told me slavery was a choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it absurd when I heard it myself. In
Speaker 1: my mind, what was the choice? You know that it
Speaker 1: makes the assumption that one should have jumped off the boat.
Speaker 1: You know a few people probably did, and and not enough,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Not everybody could get there?
Speaker 1: Did yeah? And did everybody wanted to. So I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: for me, when you say the choice now, I would
Speaker 1: tell you this, this version of slavery that we're living
Speaker 1: through now is a choice, because okay, we gotta let
Speaker 1: this whole capitalism. We got to pimp the beast. If
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be capitalism. If this is where we are,
Speaker 1: we gotta start buying from each other. We gotta stop
Speaker 1: promoting each other. And you know, and that's where my
Speaker 1: head is. I'm like, well, it may not have been
Speaker 1: a choice before, but it's one now. So when we
Speaker 1: go out and do what we do, because we always
Speaker 1: excellent that everything we do, whatever you choose to be
Speaker 1: your discipline, I'm telling you, as a person of color,
Speaker 1: you are outstanding, and particularly if you black, because we
Speaker 1: all know we work in circles where we look around
Speaker 1: it is the only person that's keeping this whole bullshit
Speaker 1: together some little black and one of them hounds. Two
Speaker 1: skirts that's a little too tight with a nicer now
Speaker 1: past that make yo day as a black man, go
Speaker 1: buy a little bit better? Yeah yeah, Okay, So you're
Speaker 1: unpacking a lot of ship here that I think, Uh,
Speaker 1: I want to I want to take a few steps
Speaker 1: back because I I think you're getting to something that's
Speaker 1: really important here. But you're saying, let's start with where
Speaker 1: you first heard this. Let's let's even take a step
Speaker 1: further back from where we are you here. Slavery is
Speaker 1: a choice. Who is this coming from? I think we
Speaker 1: all kind of know where we first heard it. But
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if maybe you got like a cousin or
Speaker 1: some ship who said it to you. Okay, metaphorically you
Speaker 1: hear it all the time in the black community. Well,
Speaker 1: you don't want this to happen. You shouldn't have did that.
Speaker 1: That's that's essentially slavery is a choice. Like you don't
Speaker 1: have very many choices. We you don't have resources and capitalism,
Speaker 1: and nobody ever wants to say that, not even the
Speaker 1: black community. Like sometimes we act really funky when we
Speaker 1: see somebody with less than us, and we act really,
Speaker 1: you know, stay in office, especially if they're not lost,
Speaker 1: if they haven't lost their minds, if anybody, if anybody
Speaker 1: post no threat to you, what you're looking down on,
Speaker 1: you know. But but besides that, if it is a
Speaker 1: choice now, and in my mind, I think it is
Speaker 1: because we we know we have a pattern of behavior
Speaker 1: from these people, so we know what we have to do, right,
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have time. Okay, everybody sucked up, everybody.
Speaker 1: We gotta heal hell here, and I'm gonna do what
Speaker 1: I can do to help heal. And the best thing
Speaker 1: I could do, being who I am and knowing what
Speaker 1: I know, is that I'm gonna start doing commercials for
Speaker 1: black businesses. If I can make people believe that a
Speaker 1: a story that does not exist, if people want to
Speaker 1: want to go to that, then I'm making come to
Speaker 1: your ship. So that's why I'm asked to hit me
Speaker 1: on Instagram or whatever, find me, catch me. Now. That's
Speaker 1: way more y'all is me And I procrastinate a lot
Speaker 1: because I smoke a lot of weeds. And when I
Speaker 1: get to you, this ship is gonna be amazing. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got you to you're saying you heard it and
Speaker 1: it's not literally your cousin told it to you, but
Speaker 1: a metaphorical cousin, a family member, a member of our
Speaker 1: community sort of express the thought. And your immediate responses
Speaker 1: not to go shut up, stupid, you're completely wrong, but
Speaker 1: to start to reason with some of that perspective. Absolutely
Speaker 1: find the truth in it, and reconcile with that truth.
Speaker 1: Don't reconcile with the bullshit that they're trying to get
Speaker 1: you to reconcile with, or don't fall off on the idea.
Speaker 1: And this is not a criticism of the dude who
Speaker 1: said it, because he suffers from the same thing we
Speaker 1: all suffering. We gotta start greating each other on the curve.
Speaker 1: If you truly say you love yourself, yes you start
Speaker 1: with you, but you start with the greater you you did.
Speaker 1: They love themselves and they keep those images around you
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm a storyteller, baby, I pay attention
Speaker 1: to all this ship, and I'm saying, like, they tell
Speaker 1: their story all the time. But why is it when
Speaker 1: you tell you us you got to shut up? You
Speaker 1: the racist? You know, that's the insanity to me. So
Speaker 1: I got on us all to realize how wonderful we
Speaker 1: are in the nuclear weapon that we have. Sure, and
Speaker 1: I think, I think what you're saying is really interesting,
Speaker 1: but it also I guess it's complicated to me, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's not in a bad way, but in a
Speaker 1: really like important way that like we should unpass. So
Speaker 1: we're talking about sort of recognizing the greater consciousness in
Speaker 1: black culture and sort of like a an idea of
Speaker 1: unity creating unity. Do you feel like and I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna drop the name because we haven't said it yet,
Speaker 1: but fuck it, he's going We're going live with this ship.
Speaker 1: When Kanye comes out and he goes four hundred years
Speaker 1: of slavery, that sounds like a choice to me. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like that has a potential for unifying? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like when that or is that something that
Speaker 1: divides even more than it we already are divided? I
Speaker 1: guess I guess the best way for me to answer that,
Speaker 1: especially on the weeds that I'm currently smoking, because what
Speaker 1: you ask me is a fairly complicated question if it
Speaker 1: gets to the nature of the exact entire thought, and
Speaker 1: my answer to that would sound vague, but it's honest.
Speaker 1: It's it's a plus in a negative to everything, right,
Speaker 1: so it does unite us, even if it unites us
Speaker 1: against him. And but in addition to that, it also
Speaker 1: lets us have the conversation we are currently having. There
Speaker 1: is complication and black black consciousness that we need to
Speaker 1: reconcile amongst ourselves. Now they need to fix racism, but
Speaker 1: we need to fix the effects because they're never going
Speaker 1: to give the effort to and and and and. I
Speaker 1: say all this coming from the perspective of look at
Speaker 1: this background. Dude, I was a correctional officer lockdowns. About
Speaker 1: my experience is trying to be the only dude that
Speaker 1: was partially woke because I wasn't fully woke. I was
Speaker 1: in my twenties. You did what I'm saying. Fifty year
Speaker 1: old me could tell you, man, lankster, kermit nigga, you
Speaker 1: stand out. You understand what I'm saying. And I can
Speaker 1: tell you that because I know everybody your family probably
Speaker 1: stand out at something, because everybody in our great even
Speaker 1: the worst of us, even dude, I lived in Englewood.
Speaker 1: I see my family still in Englewood on sixty seven
Speaker 1: and dammon, it used to be this bo called Sherman's Foods.
Speaker 1: And there was a bone that was standing out in
Speaker 1: front of that store and entertained to get money to
Speaker 1: get drunk. And when I tell you, in a tank,
Speaker 1: he wasn't trying to entertain. He was just entertaining by
Speaker 1: being himself. You walk up to the dude, we will
Speaker 1: get him to buy us drinks, right because we wasn't
Speaker 1: old enough. But as we was coming up, you see
Speaker 1: us coming, you know we won't. But he still give
Speaker 1: us his sales spill Nickel Dan quote opinion nicol quarter
Speaker 1: because he's gonna keep hitting the quarter because that's what
Speaker 1: he won't What a little bit of a show that
Speaker 1: don't cost you ship? Yeah, that's who your people are.
Speaker 1: And then they got you believe your people are these
Speaker 1: animals that we act like based on the ship that
Speaker 1: they've done to us. Okay, so okay, So what by
Speaker 1: that suggestion? Then what you're telling me is that while
Speaker 1: Kanye's words had the potential to divide at in terms
Speaker 1: of the way people interpreted, what we really should be
Speaker 1: focused on is this is a dude articulating or introducing
Speaker 1: rather a conversation that needs to be had, and we
Speaker 1: shouldn't spend as much time trying to nitpick his language
Speaker 1: because his languag, which is still the product of a
Speaker 1: bunch of evil people who built an evil thing that's
Speaker 1: sucking us up. Absolutely, do you not think it's having
Speaker 1: any effect on this dude? Like, like, everything, my god,
Speaker 1: my beautiful people, everything on this planet has a goddamn cost.
Speaker 1: Now you listen to this ship Hee was making in
Speaker 1: the beginning that it was amazing and something ship now
Speaker 1: is amazing, but it got a cost to it. That
Speaker 1: that's it is fueled by pain that a lot of
Speaker 1: people can't understand. And those of us who can should
Speaker 1: get a nigger break. God damn, we gave you college
Speaker 1: drop out, leave on the funk along. Let him sit
Speaker 1: over there and stewing this bullshit for men. So you're saying,
Speaker 1: and I think that's fair. I do think that one
Speaker 1: of the the more fucked up things that the media
Speaker 1: does is it forces us to have an immediate opinion
Speaker 1: without an immediate consideration, right that, Like, all right, he
Speaker 1: said some wild ship, and we react to the wild
Speaker 1: ship instead of reacting to the human underneath the wild ship. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: we're not going like, let's be sensitive to Kanye's struggle
Speaker 1: or what he's he's dealing with. Let's just attack the
Speaker 1: words that he's saying. And historically the nigga doesn't talk good,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's that's that's literally
Speaker 1: his his fucking weakness is talking, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like, what are we doing when we we go
Speaker 1: and we go? You idiot, you fool? Why would you
Speaker 1: talk bad in front of famous It's like, yo, that's
Speaker 1: that's what he's worth. That man. Man, hey, man, tell
Speaker 1: real quick story, just real quick side. Barbara, I love
Speaker 1: yea my mom lights skating woman from Bell Zone in Mississippi,
Speaker 1: Southern bell Everything has to be a certain way. You
Speaker 1: can never show weakness if you are from the South
Speaker 1: and you are female, but particularly if you light skinned.
Speaker 1: That's so she she watching that. Uh the girl that
Speaker 1: was zoned. God damn, I can't think of the child name. Man,
Speaker 1: I smoke so much. But um, your lady dad, the
Speaker 1: young lady dad. She was. She's a singer and she
Speaker 1: I don't know if she one American either or she can. Fantasia,
Speaker 1: my god, you the thought Fantasia had spit in Jesus
Speaker 1: face when she said I couldn't read. My mother called
Speaker 1: me because you know she knows in the show business.
Speaker 1: And she called me, and this is some don't tell
Speaker 1: nobody type of conversation. I hear my mom, I'm spilling
Speaker 1: he right now. Okay, when she see this ship, she's
Speaker 1: gonna be mad as hell. But she called me, I
Speaker 1: have to assume your mom is not an avid listener
Speaker 1: of this podcast. So you're gonna be fine. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I know enough people that's gonna get it to her.
Speaker 1: My mom was angry when Fantasie said she couldn't been.
Speaker 1: She was like, he then went out in front of
Speaker 1: all his white folks and then totally people she can't read.
Speaker 1: And what I heard was, so the system has failed
Speaker 1: this girl to get to this point. What she gave read.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm thinking. I'm not thinking about what
Speaker 1: she I'm saying, fix the fucking problem. Let's stop dealing
Speaker 1: with the symptoms, you know. And that's such a it's
Speaker 1: such a complicated duality that we always are sort of
Speaker 1: living in right on one angle. You you should we
Speaker 1: should be fucking celebrating Fantasia for making it all as
Speaker 1: far as she did to the top of the charts,
Speaker 1: not knowing her A b c's this entire time she
Speaker 1: didn't know none of them, and she made it that far.
Speaker 1: And there's a level of that where we should go.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, that's a heroic story. But then on the
Speaker 1: other side, because we find ourselves sort of buried under
Speaker 1: decades of respectability politics and and represa, you know, wanting
Speaker 1: our best version of representation, it just ends up being
Speaker 1: this stupid bitches out here right telling the world that
Speaker 1: she is illiterate. This is this is embarrassing. She's shaming us.
Speaker 1: How how great do you have to be before people
Speaker 1: acknowledge that you're great? You know what I'm saying, How
Speaker 1: great do you have especially when you're black? When you're white,
Speaker 1: the man ports to ship after your racist as, But
Speaker 1: if you're black, how great do you have to be?
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like Mike Man, we get caught up in bullshit.
Speaker 1: That's so amazing to me. Again, I don't have I
Speaker 1: don't care what your sexual preferences. I don't care who
Speaker 1: you are, how you do it, and how you present
Speaker 1: when you're doing it. I don't give a funk about
Speaker 1: none of that. I'm looking at the person behind it.
Speaker 1: And um, and so when I heard you know, I
Speaker 1: read Richard price book and then Richard Pryor Hair had
Speaker 1: some some sexual experiences with people other than than women,
Speaker 1: And I heard a lot of dudes being judgment I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is a cats who admire to do like you're
Speaker 1: gonna use this man's entire humanity to some shitty did
Speaker 1: in seconds. You know that, I understand your You know,
Speaker 1: lots of people got moral compasses, but what is your
Speaker 1: moral compass based on? Yes? And I think it also
Speaker 1: is a standard to that point. It's a standard that
Speaker 1: we place on our fellow black folks and that we
Speaker 1: don't always place on our white counterparts. Right Like if
Speaker 1: if today, if it came out that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: Bill Gates still counts with his fingers, none of us
Speaker 1: would be like this stupid motherfucker embarrassing the white community
Speaker 1: by by announcing that he's not that good at math.
Speaker 1: We would just be like, I mean, what a phenomenal
Speaker 1: human who also you know what I mean? It's Albert
Speaker 1: Einstein who like is suffering with autism and struggling to
Speaker 1: communicate through major portions of his life. But we still
Speaker 1: celebrate his journey past that instead of looking at at
Speaker 1: that as some sort of weakness in his in his state,
Speaker 1: in his being, and I think in a in a
Speaker 1: fair way, I think what you're saying, and this is
Speaker 1: getting us back to the Kanye of it all. What
Speaker 1: we're talking about as a person who has a mental
Speaker 1: illness and who struggles with articulating a lot of the
Speaker 1: complicated thoughts that live in his head and sometimes finds
Speaker 1: himself with eight feet in his mouth, despite the fact
Speaker 1: that that was not necessarily the intention that he went
Speaker 1: into that conversation with at all at all. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: love yourself, man, love it. When you get up and
Speaker 1: see Lasan Kerman in the mirror, be be able to
Speaker 1: admit that you stand the funk out that these people
Speaker 1: should honor the one the ground that you got damn
Speaker 1: walk on, because honestly, man, we descend from people that
Speaker 1: gave him a four hunted year head started. Now you
Speaker 1: could tell me, You could tell me that I say
Speaker 1: this to everybody. You can say that, But what you
Speaker 1: can't tell me is, well, I'm lying. You understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. For dude, this country leads the world based
Speaker 1: on your black ass. They're looking for ways to harness
Speaker 1: the power of the sound. We're walking around into like
Speaker 1: we got it already. We're showing you you ever. Yeah, man, dude,
Speaker 1: look at how pe funk the whole kind. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Man, enjoy your greatness, living it's doing it,
Speaker 1: and keep making excellent ship. Let me let me play
Speaker 1: a little devil's advocate, because I this is this is
Speaker 1: the nature of the beast. Baby, we gotta. I like
Speaker 1: what you're doing. You're being positive, you're uplifting, You're encouraging
Speaker 1: people to start to see the beauty in the world,
Speaker 1: and all of that's important. But funk that. Let's play
Speaker 1: some devil's advocate in this conversation. I'm curious, I guess
Speaker 1: how you feel about some of what Kanye is saying
Speaker 1: in relation to his connection to whiteness, right that, like
Speaker 1: he is saying these statements in front of white people,
Speaker 1: he is going home to a white wife, He is
Speaker 1: seeking white affirmation. We see this constantly in sort of
Speaker 1: like the choices that he's making of, like he wants
Speaker 1: Louis Vattan or Product or all these like white companies
Speaker 1: to affirm that he is a good person. Do you
Speaker 1: think that that complicates what he's saying or do you
Speaker 1: think we should just stand on what he's saying, despite
Speaker 1: whatever he's dealing with on a personal level, I'm saying
Speaker 1: what I said from the beginning. The equation always comes
Speaker 1: to the same conclusion. Right, everything you describe to me,
Speaker 1: I'm hearing as who in America don't feel that way? Right?
Speaker 1: Who in America don't feel like like? Who? Black? Even if? Okay,
Speaker 1: if you gotta work around these people to get your
Speaker 1: dope and capitalism, you need their approval. If you don't
Speaker 1: have it, you can't exist, right, And so that is
Speaker 1: that is not just him, that's all of us. Now,
Speaker 1: he just got a bigger platform to act it out
Speaker 1: in a mental illness to amplify it. But it's the
Speaker 1: same thing, and to me, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it all points to the same ship. Now, when I
Speaker 1: say this, I'm probably gonna be canceled. But because a minute,
Speaker 1: the people that I worked for don't always look like me,
Speaker 1: but I love them. They love me and my inner
Speaker 1: personal relationships. I do not have problems because I'm pleasant
Speaker 1: and I see the pleasantness and other people. But honestly, man,
Speaker 1: all of this ship boils down to just one thing,
Speaker 1: white supremacy. Every problem you tell me a nigga got
Speaker 1: I can do the math to lead back to white supremacy.
Speaker 1: So see, wait a minute, you thought that was gonna
Speaker 1: get you canceled, because that's pretty much the premise of
Speaker 1: this show here day. I can't believe he feels that
Speaker 1: way because I walk around with a guy damn brand
Speaker 1: saying fuck this, fuck this. I'm showing you funk this.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying fuck this, right. Yeah, I I do
Speaker 1: think that this idea of of circling back to white
Speaker 1: supremacy is a valid one. I do think that, like
Speaker 1: if we turn to the the education and the history,
Speaker 1: are relationships with these things, There's plenty to plenty in
Speaker 1: this country that would lead a person to believe, whether
Speaker 1: I consider it right or wrong, could lead a black
Speaker 1: person to believe that they needed white approval in order
Speaker 1: to gain access. And Kanye, I think is just a
Speaker 1: reflection and amplified to your point and amplified reflection of
Speaker 1: that sentiment. Do I think it's it's cool all the time?
Speaker 1: I know, I sit back and I go chill, nigga,
Speaker 1: like come on, bro, like stop. But then on the
Speaker 1: other side, I go, yeah, but if he isn't sort
Speaker 1: of like raised in a system that teaches him all
Speaker 1: of these things. He doesn't come to that conclusion independently.
Speaker 1: He's not He's not a psychopath. He just as a
Speaker 1: person being trained in a funked up sort of like
Speaker 1: pyramid scheme. If you will do yeah, dig it I have.
Speaker 1: I have the same issue that everybody else has. I
Speaker 1: was taught to get a job. I was taught to
Speaker 1: be a protector. Man. I was in the Army. As
Speaker 1: soon as I got out the Army, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to do that ship no more. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be a party ship no more. But I had family
Speaker 1: members who workers, and it's like, boy, you better get
Speaker 1: that job. And it was an easy job for me
Speaker 1: to get. I got it and realized how much fucked
Speaker 1: up this ship was. This was I started in jail
Speaker 1: nine nine four. I started jail in nineteen twenty four
Speaker 1: years old. And when I started there, they had just
Speaker 1: signed the crime Bill. Now all these jobs are available,
Speaker 1: all these jobs are available. Who you think come to
Speaker 1: get these jobs? When we just got through being a
Speaker 1: recession and it changed everything in that jail. Like when
Speaker 1: I started, it was one way, and by the time
Speaker 1: I was there for two or three years. It was
Speaker 1: a whole gather different animal, right, And when you say
Speaker 1: a different animal, are you saying it changed for the
Speaker 1: I have to some not the better. It had to
Speaker 1: have changed, But maybe it did change for the better.
Speaker 1: Maybe it did transition into something where y'all all felt like, well,
Speaker 1: at least people that look like us are now. I
Speaker 1: can't assume that it was exactly the opposite when it
Speaker 1: wasn't done and there were no white folks working there,
Speaker 1: very few. Right, as soon as the money started, you
Speaker 1: always got to follow the dollars and capitalism baby, and
Speaker 1: and and then when the dollars stopped flowing in a
Speaker 1: certain direction of capitalism, there will be a reason that
Speaker 1: they tell you they stopped, and there will be an
Speaker 1: actual fucking reason. And if you want to know what
Speaker 1: the truth is, just follow the money. That's all you
Speaker 1: ever got to do when dealing with America, an American
Speaker 1: brand capitalism. That's fair. I guess one of the things
Speaker 1: that that and I want to ask one more question
Speaker 1: before we go to break. One of the things that
Speaker 1: you keep sort of pointing to is sort of the
Speaker 1: failures of capitalism, which agree with I think we've created
Speaker 1: a system where and It's one of the major sort
Speaker 1: of like intentional flaws is the wrong word because it's
Speaker 1: very intentional and it's structuring. Is that in capitalism, somebody,
Speaker 1: for somebody to be as wealthy as you know, a
Speaker 1: a Jeff Basos gets a million, people have to be poor.
Speaker 1: That's just a fact of the system. It's there's no
Speaker 1: way around it, right. I guess One of the things
Speaker 1: that keeps popping in my head though, is Kanye couldn't
Speaker 1: be a more avid capitalist, right, Like that motherfucker loves capitalism.
Speaker 1: He would suck capitalisms titties if capitalism pulled him out
Speaker 1: right in front of him. And I wonder what you
Speaker 1: do with that feeling in relation to what he's saying, Well,
Speaker 1: capitalism is the reality, m That's what it is. Capitalism
Speaker 1: is a reality. And for me, I I can't. It's
Speaker 1: hard for me to gauge what it's like to be
Speaker 1: where Kanye is because I'm not that I mean, not
Speaker 1: in that space. Right. Sure, so I could explain it
Speaker 1: to you better had I been in the space. But again,
Speaker 1: the bottom line is still the same, right, The bottom
Speaker 1: line is still the disease that is capitalism. But I
Speaker 1: did even in that if that's the reality, if that's
Speaker 1: what we gotta be at, then let's get from where
Speaker 1: we are to where we want to be. And so
Speaker 1: that's what I see in Kanye, like, well, if this
Speaker 1: is the game, I'm gonna winning, and then I teach
Speaker 1: and then I'll do whatever else. Right, So this isn't
Speaker 1: him so much uh shaming a bunch of people historically,
Speaker 1: but more being like, look, this is where we are,
Speaker 1: and if y'all don't do something about it, we will
Speaker 1: continue to stay at the bottom of this really fucked
Speaker 1: up system instead of figuring out a way towards the
Speaker 1: top of it. Man, this we as a people attacked
Speaker 1: ice Cube. I'm not saying that didn't make a mistake.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but the ice Cube niked before
Speaker 1: you finished that sentence. I thought you were gonna say
Speaker 1: isis But nope, you went to ice Cube and I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Keep telling me more. I just all right, come back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get mad at that. Nia. We can do
Speaker 1: better than that. Find Out what the naked talking about.
Speaker 1: Go find out what he's what he's doing, find out
Speaker 1: what's going on with the brother, find out why he
Speaker 1: did it. Don't just attack, find out why he did it,
Speaker 1: because you know we're on the same bullshit. We knowlls.
Speaker 1: So just because their position is higher than yours don't
Speaker 1: mean that the bullshit ain't thick. You just want to
Speaker 1: as you're dealing with the ship and you closer to
Speaker 1: the bastards who create right. So when ice Cube asked
Speaker 1: are we there yet? We need not parce out why
Speaker 1: he's asking that question. We need to ask where the
Speaker 1: there is? I hear you. I'm seeing what you're putting down. Baby,
Speaker 1: I get it. The dude is brilliant. I'm just the
Speaker 1: funny comes out of his boards. Ladies said, hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break. We'll be back with more rob
Speaker 1: Ryans more. My mama told me, and we are back great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back here. We're more Robert Hines more. My mom
Speaker 1: had told me. We're still talking about the possibility that
Speaker 1: Kanye wasn't completely out of his gourd when he said
Speaker 1: that slavery was a choice, that there there possibly was
Speaker 1: a level of truth to it that we unreasonably attacked
Speaker 1: when we uh when we called him a fool and
Speaker 1: told him that his clothes look like homeless people closed,
Speaker 1: that's where we're at in the convo. I'm excited. I
Speaker 1: I want to get into this research because I think
Speaker 1: there's a fair amount of of complicated ship that's sort
Speaker 1: of I unpacked at least in my findings as as
Speaker 1: I thought about this subject. But one of the things
Speaker 1: that I think will help ground the research is to
Speaker 1: remind people that the original quote that came from Kanye
Speaker 1: actually came from an interview he did at TMC headquarters.
Speaker 1: Who was talking to that Harvey and Harvey Levin ain't
Speaker 1: got his name, The little wormy guy who who drinks
Speaker 1: out the juice box all the time. He was steroid
Speaker 1: up every day. Yeah, he's that's that's very true. He's
Speaker 1: like a weird buff, you know what I mean, where
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not a buff anybody aspires to. It's
Speaker 1: just sort of like small and mustlie. I don't like
Speaker 1: it at all. Yeah, I gave an effort. That's okay.
Speaker 1: So the original quote that Kanye says is when you
Speaker 1: hear about slavery for four hundred years, for four hundred years,
Speaker 1: that sounds like a choice. You were there for four
Speaker 1: hundred years and it's all of y'all. It's like we're
Speaker 1: mentally imprisoned, mentally imprisoned being I think a key thing
Speaker 1: that's sort of got cut off in the original sort
Speaker 1: of quote. Now, I don't like the quote, I'll be
Speaker 1: real with you, not a fan of the quote, but
Speaker 1: I do think the the at least the slightly longer
Speaker 1: version of the quote, does give some context to what
Speaker 1: he was intending to go for and his initial conversation
Speaker 1: exactly exactly I I mean, the quote is still a
Speaker 1: garbage quote. I mean, even like you shouldn't build a
Speaker 1: sentence around the concept of having a choice to go
Speaker 1: through this type of health versus what you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like that shouldn't be the the that should
Speaker 1: never be the underturne of the thought. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, we all are victims of the same ship,
Speaker 1: and we all have it, and we show scars differently.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm getting to be one of them old dudes.
Speaker 1: And and it happens to you all of a sudden, Brother,
Speaker 1: You're gonna look back like God, damn, you should have
Speaker 1: fasts right. And what you find is that when you
Speaker 1: truly love yourself, you look past your personal flaws, you
Speaker 1: look past the people around you, personal flaws and when
Speaker 1: I heard like, dudes, I'm saying, I wish your brother
Speaker 1: would put a fans though. But just the dang pulled
Speaker 1: up don't mean I can't talk to you. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You need to know that you love
Speaker 1: no matter what, and maybe if I show you enough
Speaker 1: love and show you enough example, then you'll pull him
Speaker 1: up on your damn my hown. You see what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Stop dealing them, deal with the cold. I like that,
Speaker 1: I do think you know. That was the We've talked
Speaker 1: about it a little bit on this podcast. But the
Speaker 1: famous sort of like Cosby the the speech he gave
Speaker 1: where he liked shame black people for having too many
Speaker 1: kids and not pulling up their pants and all the
Speaker 1: ship that he said with Spanish fly in his pockets
Speaker 1: was was more you like he had to have a
Speaker 1: full pocket filled with Spanish fly. I was like, pull
Speaker 1: your girl right. I got a lot of money and
Speaker 1: a lot of pills. Fucking sick. Oh. But that said,
Speaker 1: he isn't, in any way, to your point, talking to
Speaker 1: the humans that need to hear it. He's talking to
Speaker 1: the people who have already decided they're above the position
Speaker 1: of those people, and it's like, oh, if he could
Speaker 1: take a minute to figure out how to actually just
Speaker 1: talk to people, then maybe they're just gonna be like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know who are rock with so hard? Bill Cosby,
Speaker 1: And I like him so much. I'm gonna pull my
Speaker 1: pants up to my belly button the same way he does,
Speaker 1: because that's the example I want to live by. And
Speaker 1: I don't have to have someone tell me that. I
Speaker 1: can just see it in my own world. If you
Speaker 1: want to fix the problem, then go to the root
Speaker 1: cause of it. Stop and and and again we again,
Speaker 1: we can't look at it through in any other lands.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna judge you because Okay, first of all, when
Speaker 1: you don't have freedom, when you don't have true freedom,
Speaker 1: you can't act any kind of way. You gotta act
Speaker 1: a certain type of way when you don't have freedom, right.
Speaker 1: And then what I'm seeing from these young folks, man,
Speaker 1: I'm doing all around the country right now. I mean
Speaker 1: it's even during COVID. I'm I'm just starting to get
Speaker 1: get out here amongst people. And what I'm seeing is
Speaker 1: young black folks is making a little network of their
Speaker 1: own selves together and getting money together. And so rather
Speaker 1: than you old dudes who are still working for somebody
Speaker 1: and struggling. Look at these little brothers and figure out
Speaker 1: what they do and listen to him. Man, we are
Speaker 1: there is an entire commerce on on the Internet that
Speaker 1: black people need to be more involved in. And I'm
Speaker 1: talking about black volks of my age, and I'm saying like,
Speaker 1: and the only way you're gonna find out this if
Speaker 1: you listen to your children and stop hating yourself and
Speaker 1: start loving yourself, and watch how the rhythm of everything
Speaker 1: will change. I love that. And I love the the
Speaker 1: extra uh little ump you put right on the end
Speaker 1: of that sentence. It was beautiful. I felt like I
Speaker 1: was in church on the Sunday. It was I love that.
Speaker 1: One of the things that immediately jumps out when you
Speaker 1: look up the Kanye says slavery is a choice thing
Speaker 1: is that there are a ship ton of Reddit threats
Speaker 1: that actually pop up of people justifying his statement. It's
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people who say it's crazy,
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of people were like, y'all
Speaker 1: just don't get it. And one of the rudded threads
Speaker 1: that really jumped out to me that this kind of
Speaker 1: goes back to what you were saying in the beginning
Speaker 1: is that many people were making the argument in support
Speaker 1: of Kanye, saying that slavery was technically a choice because
Speaker 1: they could have just killed themselves right right, right right,
Speaker 1: where's the choice in that? Like, I know what I'm
Speaker 1: facing is some ship I don't know, but I also
Speaker 1: don't know that I know. Everybody ever did this ain't
Speaker 1: never come back. Now, there's two ways to think about dying.
Speaker 1: You can decide like everything else is a plus in
Speaker 1: a negative. The one thing you can say, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna saying this with great confidence, nobody ever left and
Speaker 1: came back. Every time people like I'm good, I ain't
Speaker 1: enough of that ship. I'm over here where I am now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you dig I ain't said I want to die. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be as scared as anybody else and be like, funk,
Speaker 1: let's see what happens next. So you're saying and correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrongs, and you're saying in that same position,
Speaker 1: you might have been one of these people who was like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm out, rather than seeing this to the end.
Speaker 1: Absolutely if it, if it felt like a logical choice,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that would be you know what I mean, like,
Speaker 1: but to me, I'm thinking, Okay, if I'm gonna die
Speaker 1: or if I'm gonna go, well, I'm going let's see
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen when I go and go. I know
Speaker 1: these mothers ain't gonna be nice to me. They've proven
Speaker 1: that already. Sure they beat my they beat my knees
Speaker 1: pretty good. I can't imagine they're about to be real
Speaker 1: cool once we get off this boat. Not at all,
Speaker 1: Not at all. And I got people around me that
Speaker 1: I want to take care of. I ain't gonna let it.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna leave the area. I ain't gonna, I
Speaker 1: feel to leave these people with these people like this,
Speaker 1: not those of them. Ye know, well that I guess that.
Speaker 1: That's what I struggled with, especially in that response of like, well,
Speaker 1: you could have just killed yourself that technically it is
Speaker 1: also a choice. Is that it presumes this individual relationship
Speaker 1: with slavery that wasn't actually the case. Yes, individuals could
Speaker 1: have killed themselves, but that doesn't change the system. And like,
Speaker 1: unless you're getting literally hundreds of millions of black people
Speaker 1: to basically do a collective suicide, you're not solving a problem.
Speaker 1: You're just asking a bunch of individuals to opt out,
Speaker 1: and it feels like it has sort of the same
Speaker 1: selfish nature of the capitalism we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, well I got out, so you could
Speaker 1: have too. And it's like, I don't know, bro, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's how that works. And dig this.
Speaker 1: So let's say the first boatload and Nis just jumped
Speaker 1: off and saying fuck it, you know, because one of
Speaker 1: the most brilliant comedians of our time is Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: and he kind of laid it out already, right. I'm
Speaker 1: sure the first thing was like fun this, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got that whoop on the ass. But I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: what if they've just stopped and everybody just jumped off
Speaker 1: the boat, and what do you think they're gonna do?
Speaker 1: The win ain't stopped. They're gonna turn theirs around and
Speaker 1: go back and get some mold. So what are you
Speaker 1: actually solved? Right? This isn't a solution for all. This
Speaker 1: is a solution for self. And maybe that's what makes
Speaker 1: all of Kanye's statements complicated for me, at least personally,
Speaker 1: is that it very much feels like a person talking
Speaker 1: for self and not necessarily a person talking for a
Speaker 1: greater good or a a even if that is in
Speaker 1: his mind, the intention, it certainly isn't. What is uh
Speaker 1: what is being said out loud? Absolutely, people who say
Speaker 1: ship like that have never given thought to an actual
Speaker 1: viable solution, and and and and what the problem is
Speaker 1: with that is because a lot of times the actual
Speaker 1: viable solution could seem unattainable. But it's only unattainable if
Speaker 1: you allow that to be the thought you did. Like
Speaker 1: like like when I say to you, a man, I
Speaker 1: know um and and this is me being honest in
Speaker 1: my very core. I know that these people have told
Speaker 1: up everything we ever built, But that don't mean we
Speaker 1: stopped building. So let's build this. Let's let's make our
Speaker 1: own particular portion of capitalism that feeds us. Because every
Speaker 1: other part of this society is divided up by ethnic group.
Speaker 1: What do black people control. We don't really control nothing
Speaker 1: but your opportunity to get rich. You did what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that's what we control. We're not getting rich like we
Speaker 1: supposed to. So what I'm saying, like, if you're giving
Speaker 1: that energy and giving that thought process, let's build again
Speaker 1: the one thing we got that we ain't never had before.
Speaker 1: Is the goddamn Internet. So let's use this like we
Speaker 1: supposed to use it. Find these young people who know
Speaker 1: how to use it. My little cousin makes soap. I'm
Speaker 1: about to start selling her soap. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start selling her. Her daughter makes cakes. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start selling her cakes. I'm saying, get in my mbox,
Speaker 1: tell me what you sail. Give me a minute, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get back to you. Let's fix capitalism for us,
Speaker 1: right that. In essence, your your goal is to apply
Speaker 1: the logic that Kanye is is saying, but remove some
Speaker 1: of the a selfishness that lives in the way that
Speaker 1: he's saying it or presenting it to Is that a
Speaker 1: viable solution? Do this or that? That is really not
Speaker 1: a viable solution. And that's what I'm saying to you
Speaker 1: is Yes, exactly what you're saying, is what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Here's a solution that I found that is very attainable,
Speaker 1: and we don't have to worry about it working because
Speaker 1: it's worked every other time. They never they just not
Speaker 1: the first slavery they had. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: they would have found other people and it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: The only people worked out with is you. You are
Speaker 1: your only solution. So start working with each other. Stop
Speaker 1: hating that little boy and listen to him. Everybody has
Speaker 1: we all. Let me just make this one quick point.
Speaker 1: You can play a little music whatever, because this is
Speaker 1: the point. This is Oh wait a minute, you want
Speaker 1: to talk that talk something. Okay, let's do it. We'll
Speaker 1: talk some talk. All right, I'm about to give you
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, Robert go crazy, talk that talk. Racism is
Speaker 1: not just about color, but it's about generations. And what
Speaker 1: I'm telling you is stop generationally hating yourself and but
Speaker 1: also pick the ship that works and use it again.
Speaker 1: We know we can build communities amongst ourselves. But what
Speaker 1: is the difference. Where is the power? The power is
Speaker 1: that when people know some ship is fucked up, ship
Speaker 1: starts to function differently. And I'm saying we got that,
Speaker 1: we got the entire internet. Build us some ship from
Speaker 1: this internet, and when they come to tear down, show
Speaker 1: it on the internet again and be prepared to protect. Hey,
Speaker 1: there it is. We're talking talk, baby, We're talking talk.
Speaker 1: Hold on, that's cool, motherfucking bush we're we're talking to
Speaker 1: some thought. Here you go, all right, let's let's keep
Speaker 1: digging into some of this research, because I think you're
Speaker 1: making a bunch of pretty valid points. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I thought was helpful, at least in considering
Speaker 1: this conversation is the question of actual choices in regards
Speaker 1: to slavery. Right, not this theoretical thing of us being
Speaker 1: int one arguing with a bunch of people who were
Speaker 1: living in eighteen whatever or sixteen whatever, but literally what
Speaker 1: choices did they actually have? And one of the things
Speaker 1: that I think the best starting place is to remind
Speaker 1: people that the emancipatory and Proclamation goes into effect January one,
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty three, but it isn't until June nineteenth. That's
Speaker 1: why we have juneteenth, eighteen sixty five. That many black
Speaker 1: people in the Southern States actually learn of their freedom.
Speaker 1: The word doesn't get down to them because the Internet
Speaker 1: doesn't exist, and motherfuckers ain't excited to make a phone
Speaker 1: call and be like, hey, let your slaves go, right.
Speaker 1: So because of that, a bunch of people do stay
Speaker 1: in servitude for almost for more than two years, basically
Speaker 1: unbeknownst to them that they were in fact technically freed.
Speaker 1: But some could argue, if I'm going to be be
Speaker 1: the worst version of Devil's advocate in this situation, some
Speaker 1: could argue that they are remaining in servitude I guess
Speaker 1: voluntarily at that point, even though technically they still get
Speaker 1: their ass whooped and uh feet cut off if they
Speaker 1: made any attempt to leave. That's that well, there's that's
Speaker 1: there's that part. But let's just say this, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: look at how they treat each other. Just look look
Speaker 1: at how Europe is treated in gym. There was a
Speaker 1: world war and they had a whole plan. We're gonna
Speaker 1: build all this ship back. We're gonna make sure people
Speaker 1: got infrastructure, We're gonna make sure people got ways of eating.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it. And they tried that ship in
Speaker 1: America for a short while. See that's the thing. People don't.
Speaker 1: They tell you historic terms, but they really don't tell
Speaker 1: you what they need. Right, So, dur our reconstruction, the
Speaker 1: ship was working. You think what I'm saying was getting businesses,
Speaker 1: Things were happening. You cannot expect to let these people
Speaker 1: who have only known one way of living just all
Speaker 1: of a sudden turnament loose and think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: all right. Sure, you know everybody has support here. If
Speaker 1: they had colleges that supported people here. When they started America,
Speaker 1: they organized for everybody and organized against us. Every system
Speaker 1: in America, the government, every system that the government asked
Speaker 1: and you can tell me where I'm wrong, tell me
Speaker 1: where I'm wrong, has somehow found its way to work
Speaker 1: against you. No, I think I think there's there's something
Speaker 1: really honest in that. And additionally, what I'll say is
Speaker 1: that it reminds me of the fact that there were
Speaker 1: plenty of black people who fought on the side of
Speaker 1: the Confederacy in the Civil War much in the way
Speaker 1: that you're describing. It's not because they are like yo,
Speaker 1: I just love slavery as much as they are like,
Speaker 1: this is the system I was raised in, that I
Speaker 1: was brought into. This is all I know. So the
Speaker 1: idea of fighting against it and being brought into something
Speaker 1: worse or or even worse, not even having all the
Speaker 1: information to know what the better could be is essentially
Speaker 1: what they're fighting for. They're they're fighting in fear of
Speaker 1: their own lives, but then also the lives that may
Speaker 1: come as a result of you know, the freedom quote
Speaker 1: unquote on the other side. Absolutely, dude. That's the other thing.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing about this generational divide. We also
Speaker 1: divide ourselves via education. Now I can't do everything, but
Speaker 1: I got a community of motherfucker's around me who can, right,
Speaker 1: And so rather than like talk down about people who
Speaker 1: are educated, because some of us getting into the habit
Speaker 1: of starting to do that, like no one ship is bad.
Speaker 1: You know here, stupid motherfucker in love yourself. Look at
Speaker 1: the like, damn you do this one dude. I'll listen
Speaker 1: to some of your podcasts I do and I and
Speaker 1: when you get to this point, I'd be like so
Speaker 1: proud of, like, damn that they get educated. Look at him, like, dude,
Speaker 1: nobody understand. People truly do not understand. The level to
Speaker 1: which you could co switch denotes a lot of where
Speaker 1: you get in society. Yeah, what I'm saying, and I'm
Speaker 1: listening to you, I'm like, yeah, then again it's talking
Speaker 1: that talk. Hey man, I grew up in the suburbs.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is this is something noise comes out, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I can't I can't fix it much,
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't see any flaws in it.
Speaker 1: Let's see any flows in That's what it is, exists,
Speaker 1: how we exist, baby. I like that. One of the
Speaker 1: things that that also sort of came in some of
Speaker 1: this research was I saw this this article from this dude, Douglas,
Speaker 1: a black men, who is not black at all. He
Speaker 1: is very, very white. But Douglas, a Black men, wrote
Speaker 1: this article that basically says that despite black people technically
Speaker 1: being made free after slavery, slavery did continue for another
Speaker 1: eighty years and what he's calling the age of neo slavery. Now,
Speaker 1: this neo slavery is basically when Southern lawmakers started to
Speaker 1: figure out new strategies for arresting black people that would
Speaker 1: make up new laws, completely brand new laws. Uh. In
Speaker 1: the article, he talks about one dude who got arrested
Speaker 1: for quote unquote vagrancy because he didn't have official proof
Speaker 1: that he was employed, and by not having proof that
Speaker 1: he was employed, he was arrested, he was taking to jail,
Speaker 1: he was kept in that jail, and when he couldn't
Speaker 1: pay the fines to get out of that jail, he
Speaker 1: was then sold to a private company, a coal mining company,
Speaker 1: and then that coal mining company allowed him to quote
Speaker 1: unquote work off his wages, but in working off his wages,
Speaker 1: they basically tied him to the inside of a coal
Speaker 1: mine and made him basically lived down there for the
Speaker 1: whole of his life while he like worked for twelve
Speaker 1: dollars a month, which wasn't enough to ever like earn
Speaker 1: his freedom. So he was a slave. He just was
Speaker 1: a slave through the prison complex and not traditional slavery.
Speaker 1: What does that sound like to you? Honestly, what does
Speaker 1: that sound like to you? It sounds like an American job.
Speaker 1: You work someplace and you get just enough money to
Speaker 1: feed yourself and the people around you, just enough wanting
Speaker 1: to get you a certain degree of okay with the situation,
Speaker 1: but never enough to really pass something down to the
Speaker 1: next one of you, never enough to truly be independent
Speaker 1: of the system. Right, And what is that? What is that?
Speaker 1: When you hear people saying they got retirement, Yes, you
Speaker 1: have retired, you have that, But what do your kids
Speaker 1: have once you've gone? Not enough, it's yours. It's overish.
Speaker 1: Yes you are taking care of but nobody else is
Speaker 1: under you is and you may have some ship to
Speaker 1: leave to him. But I'm saying overall I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: if one of these roth tiles and somebody like that
Speaker 1: with them type names die, They're not worried about how
Speaker 1: their grandkids gonna bury. M hmm. That is what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. That. So, where is it any difference in
Speaker 1: slavery and right? I think I think it goes back
Speaker 1: to our initial conversation about like the way that wealth
Speaker 1: is distributed in this country and control in this kind
Speaker 1: untreat that like truly we for the most part, so
Speaker 1: many Americans exist in a way that if something bad happens,
Speaker 1: it can be detrimental to their entire existence. Whereas you
Speaker 1: want to find yourself in a way that God forbid
Speaker 1: someone in your life does pass, or like something bad
Speaker 1: does happen, you can bounce back from that motherfucker rather
Speaker 1: than being trapped at the bottom of a fucking coal
Speaker 1: mine with your leg tied up being told that this
Speaker 1: is the only way you can work towards freedom. And
Speaker 1: the one other thing I want to point out real quick,
Speaker 1: real quick, because this is very important and I'm glad
Speaker 1: you mentioned it. This was the law. This is the
Speaker 1: government telling you. And when again look at every metric,
Speaker 1: every guy, every law is always the same people. Law
Speaker 1: can't be just if the enforcement of it isn't just.
Speaker 1: And I know because I did it. I know because
Speaker 1: I did it. Yeah, you know why I took the
Speaker 1: job is because in my family and I was doing
Speaker 1: really well when I started. I'm a stand up comedian
Speaker 1: by trade. When I started doing stand up, I was
Speaker 1: doing really well in the city of Chicago. Not only
Speaker 1: was I doing well in the city Chicago, I was
Speaker 1: doing well in my neighborhood. I got a hood past
Speaker 1: nigga I was not them. Niggas would call me Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I would come home hanging out with Burnie back two
Speaker 1: or three in the morning, and mother's be like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at Hollywood, he just come back. What happened? What happened?
Speaker 1: Night comes? So how can I not love these people?
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. They gave me a hood
Speaker 1: pass As much hell as the hood gave me, it
Speaker 1: also gave me a whole lot of motherfucker's strength, right
Speaker 1: and so and and back then, I was doing really well.
Speaker 1: And my parents, I work or bees. You can't tell
Speaker 1: them a job ain't the best thing. You can't tell
Speaker 1: my family. My family is working classy from Mississippi. If
Speaker 1: you want to take care of kids, you got to
Speaker 1: go punch a clock. All this imagination ship is for them,
Speaker 1: it ain't for you. And that is the lesson that
Speaker 1: I was taught. So I took the job, not even
Speaker 1: in my pain, even if dude, it's stories that I
Speaker 1: could tell you based on who I am that changed
Speaker 1: me in that jail for the better and for the worst, right,
Speaker 1: And I think I think you touched on something that
Speaker 1: I think is really sort of important in this conversation
Speaker 1: of you can be both somebody who loves your people
Speaker 1: and represents your people and fights for your people, while
Speaker 1: simultaneously being a part of a system that doesn't work
Speaker 1: in favor of your people and doing things sometimes that
Speaker 1: don't service the people that you you care about or
Speaker 1: wish you could do better for. And so that much
Speaker 1: in the way of the Kanye language, is sort of
Speaker 1: what we're always battling against. This. If I spend my
Speaker 1: entire life dedicated to my people, I could end up
Speaker 1: like Malcolm X, which is getting shot and while I'm
Speaker 1: at my most broke, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it truly could be me going out of out of
Speaker 1: this earth with no money and a bunch of bullets
Speaker 1: in my chest. And that's a it's a complicated dance
Speaker 1: that we're being put in, and you got to figure
Speaker 1: it out for you own individual self and in my
Speaker 1: individual self based on the strengths and the weaknesses that
Speaker 1: I have. My idea is to sell your ship. And
Speaker 1: I know I keep saying, I know, I keep going
Speaker 1: back to it, baby, But that's the nobody. That's the
Speaker 1: nature of Toby Jones, that's the nature of Chicago. That's
Speaker 1: the nature of who we are at Chicago. Wins. Is
Speaker 1: this the situation, then let me get some money at you.
Speaker 1: You did what I'm saying. Let's get this money from
Speaker 1: them and keep circulating it amongst us and keep you
Speaker 1: with that. There's gonna be some some commercials you're gonna
Speaker 1: see me do. Probably that you're like, well, don't need
Speaker 1: to do that commercial. Well, I'm telling you now, so
Speaker 1: I can have the money to keep doing your ship
Speaker 1: because they care me. First, Let's keep it flowing, baby,
Speaker 1: Let's let's keep the money going. And if I gotta
Speaker 1: do some commercials, I'll do it. Yeah, hell yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: doing a commercial right now for for a juice bar
Speaker 1: on eighty seven in Winchester. It's called Easy Living Juice Bar.
Speaker 1: And I went in there and I saw it was
Speaker 1: black owned. I went in there and I had some
Speaker 1: food and while I was standing at the brother up
Speaker 1: sold me some ship and I tasted and I was like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: this as good as hell. And then I got in
Speaker 1: my car and I sat down and I was like,
Speaker 1: here go what it starts. And I went back in
Speaker 1: there and I did a commercial would and and the people,
Speaker 1: uh Hannibal Birth supports me so very much, and we
Speaker 1: got through I solo man media. Um. We got the
Speaker 1: first part of it done, and I had the next
Speaker 1: part when I get back to Chicago, because I want
Speaker 1: to actually get you the opportunity to know these people
Speaker 1: who are in your community. I like that I the
Speaker 1: last little I want to get to this last little
Speaker 1: bit of bit of research because I think it is
Speaker 1: a worthy sort of like out for us in terms
Speaker 1: of this conversation. But one of the things that I
Speaker 1: discovered in some of this that I didn't know before
Speaker 1: is that some people argue that one of the first
Speaker 1: people to actually technically own a slave in America was
Speaker 1: a black man. That in North America, the first slave
Speaker 1: owner was a black man. And you know, we've heard
Speaker 1: for years that black people sold other black people into slavery.
Speaker 1: There's a level of truth to that, although they completely
Speaker 1: ignore how much of that was curated by white people,
Speaker 1: sort of like taking advantage of what already existed. It's
Speaker 1: a longer conversation, but there was this dude, basically his
Speaker 1: name was Anthony Joshua, who was a an indentured servant
Speaker 1: himself in America, got his his freedom after indentured servitude,
Speaker 1: and then found a different indentured servant, John Casser, who
Speaker 1: he basically sued to get full rights of this dude
Speaker 1: that like, for whatever reason, he was like this motherfucker,
Speaker 1: I gotta own him forever. And then the state allowed
Speaker 1: him to keep this dude, John Casser, forever, and then
Speaker 1: he became the first technical slave owner in America. And
Speaker 1: this is one of the things I think that people
Speaker 1: point to when they go it's a choice, because that
Speaker 1: nigga volunteered to be a slave owner and that other
Speaker 1: one allowed it to happen. I see two really fucked
Speaker 1: up tracks. Again, it's always the same ship. So what
Speaker 1: are we doing now we're talking about this dude? Why?
Speaker 1: Because they let him the first one, right, there's a
Speaker 1: reason for that. They didn't just let anybody be the
Speaker 1: first one. Everything they do is strategic. So let's just
Speaker 1: say that part. And then the other part that is
Speaker 1: truly fucked up is that you don't know this man's experiences.
Speaker 1: But what I'm hearing is Christianity. I'm sorry, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say that's how they justify put you in slavery. It's Christianity.
Speaker 1: So he lived his best Christian life as a slave.
Speaker 1: He feels like, Okay, now that love has blessed me
Speaker 1: to own another motherfuck. Yeah, that's incredibly funked up. But again,
Speaker 1: all of our problems they got us surrounded, baby, they
Speaker 1: got us surrounded culturally, they got us surrounded financially. And
Speaker 1: so all I'm saying is, let's just find a way
Speaker 1: to find an oasis for just us. Yeah. I love that,
Speaker 1: and I do. The Christianity really hits home for me
Speaker 1: because I do think that even if you look at
Speaker 1: the principles of Christianity, it both tells you that like
Speaker 1: you can own a person depending on how you read
Speaker 1: the text. And I want to be careful when we
Speaker 1: say this because I don't think that every interpretation of
Speaker 1: the Bible tells you, like slaveries, tight, go ahead and
Speaker 1: get you a slave. But there are interpretations of the
Speaker 1: Bible that do allow you to do that, but even
Speaker 1: more effective in their writing, they go, if you are
Speaker 1: a slave, don't kill nobody. That would be wrong to
Speaker 1: fight did you can't murder nobody. It's like na nig
Speaker 1: if I'm a slave, that that eighth commandment. I don't
Speaker 1: know which one it is. That eighth commandment is out
Speaker 1: the wind. I'm killing them of all authorities given to
Speaker 1: you by God or Christian. And you can tell me
Speaker 1: what you want to tell me. But I know there
Speaker 1: is parts of the Bible that tells you in law
Speaker 1: and in Christian, Biblical, the vitical, whatever the funk law
Speaker 1: that tells you how to treat your slaves. So how
Speaker 1: is it that it ain't it ain't sanctioned by it.
Speaker 1: If they tell you how, if they gave you a
Speaker 1: handbook of how to treat them, yeah, don't make any sense.
Speaker 1: And it is very strategic. It is a system that
Speaker 1: they put the place, and it's a hundred percent of
Speaker 1: system that we will forever be fighting against because of
Speaker 1: the the powers that be that control it fun your
Speaker 1: head started that you can't get around you just get
Speaker 1: God damn. Well, this is a sad ending to this break,
Speaker 1: but this is how we're going out. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more Robert Hies and more, my
Speaker 1: mama told me, And we are bad people who were
Speaker 1: enslavery wished that they have curbside service at Applebe's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back here with more Robbert Hies more, my mama
Speaker 1: told me. We're still talking about the possibility that slavery
Speaker 1: was in fact a choice, that Kanye had it all right.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that I feel good even saying that,
Speaker 1: because there's gonna be one of you that pulls that
Speaker 1: does a quote that somehow slices, splices this up and
Speaker 1: makes this Lakes and Kerman going, Kanye got it right.
Speaker 1: Slavery was a choice, And I don't think that's what
Speaker 1: we landed on, but we got We got a good
Speaker 1: conversation out of it, for sure, and that ship will
Speaker 1: be on Fox News. God damn. And if that's how
Speaker 1: I end up on Fox News, boy, oh boys, is
Speaker 1: that not how I planned it. I thought I'd be
Speaker 1: on their being mean to somebody, not not making Laura
Speaker 1: Ingram seem reasonable. You know what I mean? Even in
Speaker 1: that baby, we still got the power to again you
Speaker 1: you to do it, doesn't matter what they do. You
Speaker 1: got no shields around you. We gotta We got the equipment,
Speaker 1: I think is the way you've put it. We've got
Speaker 1: the equipment to fight. If we learned how to to
Speaker 1: use that equipment. Absolutely, let's jump into this game. We
Speaker 1: have a fun game plan for you. This is a
Speaker 1: brand new game specific to this episode. It's called what
Speaker 1: you Say? Kanye? Can you believe that? You believe? We
Speaker 1: don't have a jacuzzy? It's a brand new game that
Speaker 1: that uh that I I came up with in which
Speaker 1: I am going to introduce to you other sort of
Speaker 1: jarring quotes from Kanye West. Things that and jarring is
Speaker 1: a weighted word exciting quotes from Kanye West that I
Speaker 1: would love for you to unpack and tell me what
Speaker 1: you think he was trying to say with the thing
Speaker 1: that he's saying. Sound good, Okay, let's go, I'm listening.
Speaker 1: I'm ready. Hell, yes, let's start easy. This is a
Speaker 1: nice soft, easy curve, you know, easy lob that I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw your way. He said, I'm a pop enigma.
Speaker 1: I live and breathe every element in life. I rock
Speaker 1: a bespoke suit and I go to Heralds for fried chicken.
Speaker 1: It's all these things at once because as a tastemaker,
Speaker 1: I find the best of everything. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: pretty self excellentory. I mean, like, dude, I'm y'all following
Speaker 1: the shift out of me. Everything I do, y'all making
Speaker 1: a big deal about it. And that's because I could
Speaker 1: do everything. I go have some chicken in the hood,
Speaker 1: although you probably have like a busload of security, but
Speaker 1: I go ahead and checking in the hood. I understand
Speaker 1: the rhythm of that. And I also do this, that
Speaker 1: and the other, because everything I do is correct. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you when he says that, you're not thinking this
Speaker 1: sounds like a crazy person ranting about themselves. You're thinking, no,
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's a reasonable guy talking about his contributions.
Speaker 1: Many of us know what it's like to have that
Speaker 1: much money. Oh I do not. I'll go on records
Speaker 1: saying I don't at all, just like we know, just
Speaker 1: like we know. If you you're giving people too much
Speaker 1: negativity on all four sides, what if somebody everything you
Speaker 1: ever said they agree with you. That's why you need
Speaker 1: homeboys who are who always be able to put you
Speaker 1: in the guardrails. That's why you need people around you
Speaker 1: you could trust to tell you, Like now, Nick, you
Speaker 1: took that a little too far. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's where And so when you're a billionaire in capitalism,
Speaker 1: who's gonna tell you that you think you can buy
Speaker 1: three or father Nick and tell you how great you are? Right?
Speaker 1: I got you? Okay. So this is less of us
Speaker 1: looking at it as Kanye specific and more of us
Speaker 1: spreading it out to everybody that we should all see
Speaker 1: ourselves with this sort of like exceptionalism of being all
Speaker 1: the things that once and not just being like Kanye's
Speaker 1: dope and only Kanye. That's yes, that's that's the whole
Speaker 1: thing from the beginning. And I feel particularly that way,
Speaker 1: and I'm again I feel that way about substance. I
Speaker 1: remember when I started doing Connie, I used to hear
Speaker 1: brothers talk about how great women are on stage. I'll
Speaker 1: be like, man, y'all just trying to fuck. But these
Speaker 1: dudes was older than me. You did what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: These dudes is older than me. This this is older
Speaker 1: than me, and they had been around them for years.
Speaker 1: I had just started being a man and started liking
Speaker 1: the ship that they do. At the lesser level, I
Speaker 1: hadn't been with a woman for twenty years and understand
Speaker 1: every bit of what you do, what you do and
Speaker 1: and and other women in your community. You've learned why
Speaker 1: they do what they do. You did what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and it I see. It's perfection and the decisions that
Speaker 1: they make based on the decision that they have in
Speaker 1: front of them. So I got a specific kind of
Speaker 1: love for black women. I'm saying, I don't give a
Speaker 1: ship what you look like when you wake up, you
Speaker 1: still look good to me because you look better than
Speaker 1: anything else out there that I could effort choose. Hell yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's do it different. Quote. Oh man, I'm getting love
Speaker 1: with it. Okay, here's a fun one. He says on
Speaker 1: one of them. I am God's vessel. But my greatest
Speaker 1: pain in life is that will never be able to
Speaker 1: see myself perform live. That's just amazingly funked up and funny.
Speaker 1: But I see why again, man, Okay, being in a nightclub,
Speaker 1: having a bunch of people most of the nightclubs I
Speaker 1: work in about people can fit in it. Being in
Speaker 1: a nightclub that is sold out and you are the
Speaker 1: attraction gives you a whole different perspective on what your
Speaker 1: life work is because when you're on that stage, by God,
Speaker 1: you are the leader of the group. No matter how
Speaker 1: you see yourself, that's what you are. That's the reality.
Speaker 1: And so think about what it would be like if
Speaker 1: you could feel soldier, feel right, I would like to
Speaker 1: see what you motherfuck' see, but in the live position
Speaker 1: of seeing Okay, so that all these people who are
Speaker 1: just uh who you know? You and I we we
Speaker 1: go and we do a night, we do a stand
Speaker 1: up spot, and we if I if I have a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people in there and it's packed to
Speaker 1: the brand, I'm like, damn, this was a great night.
Speaker 1: I'm on a level. I'm on a high that is
Speaker 1: hard to replicate. Some nights, right that the next day
Speaker 1: when you ain't performing, you wish that you could go
Speaker 1: back to that feeling. You're saying that if you can
Speaker 1: fill an entire football stadium of people and get that
Speaker 1: level of high, there has to be a part of
Speaker 1: you that's like, God, damn, I would love to see
Speaker 1: this show and I never will exactly again, man is
Speaker 1: a dude. It makes sense to me I'm saying, when
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you're making him a much more reasonable
Speaker 1: man than I think, uh, than most people want him
Speaker 1: to be. Just said, like I see him as what
Speaker 1: this dude is brilliant. Like he may be weird, but
Speaker 1: everything has a cost. So what you're experiencing in the cost,
Speaker 1: it's his weirdness. All right, Let's let's get into one
Speaker 1: that I think, uh similarly launched a fair amount of controversy.
Speaker 1: This came out of his presidential run of where he
Speaker 1: said basically had a I guess a conference he was
Speaker 1: holding some sort of it might have been his presidential announcement,
Speaker 1: but he basically said that Harriet Tubman never actually freed
Speaker 1: the slaves, she just had them work for other white people. Uh.
Speaker 1: I love a deep breath after after a Kanye quote.
Speaker 1: Go for it there. You got a lot of ship
Speaker 1: going on in that quote because there's some truth in it,
Speaker 1: but that truth discounts a lot of humanity that needs
Speaker 1: to be acknowledged. Okay, So like when you know it's
Speaker 1: a lot of brothers out here, be like I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna vote voting. I refused to vote what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get from. And honestly, they probably tell them the truth
Speaker 1: because every time we vote, every time you do, ship
Speaker 1: don't not never change. But I'm not fin a discount
Speaker 1: the energy of those people who have decided to fight
Speaker 1: on that front and not and not give them the
Speaker 1: energy that I could give them. Right, So when you
Speaker 1: tell me Harriet Tubman didn't do whatever, now you're telling
Speaker 1: me that Harriet Tubman is energy and all her efforts
Speaker 1: didn't mean ship. And for me, I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: acknowledge that. You can't tell me that Stacy Abraham Abraham's
Speaker 1: ain't ain't one of the coldest motherfucker's on the planet.
Speaker 1: You can't convince me of that, even if I think
Speaker 1: she's fighting in the cause that I ain't interested to
Speaker 1: put my energy in. You see what I'm saying you
Speaker 1: you cannot discount other people's experience. So at its core,
Speaker 1: the ship is super flawed. But honestly, if you leave
Speaker 1: slavery from that's the whole point of the Civil War.
Speaker 1: It was not about anything that's algiistic on that ship.
Speaker 1: They wasn't about freedom and none of that ship. It
Speaker 1: was about getting that nuclear bomb they're using down in
Speaker 1: the South. At one point, black people were worth more
Speaker 1: than every fucking bank in America. Slaves were more more
Speaker 1: than because they needed that labor. We're about to go
Speaker 1: into some ship that they planned the Industrial Revolution. Now
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do? Who the best motherfucker's who've been working,
Speaker 1: who've been building ship? They entire goddamn life. I need
Speaker 1: some of that money. I need some of that labor.
Speaker 1: So let's set them free. It ain't never been about you.
Speaker 1: It's always been about them, sure, them and the money
Speaker 1: that they can sort of like pull from from this conversation. Okay,
Speaker 1: I see what you're doing. So if nothing else, Kanye
Speaker 1: is being insightful but also cruel and shortsighted to the
Speaker 1: people in history that it least did their best to
Speaker 1: offer us some version of what and why does he
Speaker 1: do that? Here's why you do that because look a
Speaker 1: here around Yeah, oh he's around the devil, that's for certain.
Speaker 1: What else is he supposed to think? I'll hurt you
Speaker 1: with one more and then we're going to get out
Speaker 1: of here. My The last one that I think is
Speaker 1: is a really fun one. To walk away from, especially
Speaker 1: giving all the things that we've talked about. He says,
Speaker 1: bad taste is vulgar, the world as a whole is
Speaker 1: fucking ugly, and the internet too. But I'm not in
Speaker 1: the construction business. I don't understand that first part bad
Speaker 1: vulgar because now you've given facts to opinion, so that
Speaker 1: don't really make sense to me and my logic. Um,
Speaker 1: So that ship, I, you know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the fun you're talking about right there? The last part.
Speaker 1: Can we hear that again? What's that last part? He says?
Speaker 1: The world as a whole is fucking ugly and the
Speaker 1: internet too, but I'm not in the construction business. That
Speaker 1: makes all sense in the world. Me. I'm serious, that
Speaker 1: makes all sense in the world. Me did all this
Speaker 1: ship is fucked up, But I can't save everybody you did.
Speaker 1: I'm a capitalist right now. I'm doing what capitalism calls
Speaker 1: me to do. I can make some more money if
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? What what what is it
Speaker 1: that you expect the person that does what they do
Speaker 1: to do? He did. I say, like, this is not
Speaker 1: My fight is not civil rights. My fight is money. Okay,
Speaker 1: if that's what you are but then my my call
Speaker 1: back to that would be, what do you do with
Speaker 1: the money now you have? Sure? So yeah, it's still
Speaker 1: it's still kind of points back to a bit of selfishness. Now,
Speaker 1: I ain't telling nobody how to spend a money because
Speaker 1: I ain't never had none. I don't know how I feel,
Speaker 1: So I don't know how I feel if i'd be
Speaker 1: sitting in the room, but I like to think that
Speaker 1: I would be like, Okay, how can I get this
Speaker 1: money to as many people as I can't get it to?
Speaker 1: Or how how can I get the money to make
Speaker 1: you money? What type of infrastructure I could build so
Speaker 1: that we all could getting paid? And I'm telling man,
Speaker 1: that's what I love about Chicago, MD seen right now
Speaker 1: is that there has been an amazing amount of people
Speaker 1: being integrated into the scene that we're not welcome before.
Speaker 1: Right that that it's it truly is a community and
Speaker 1: not just a hierarchy of like people who are winning
Speaker 1: and people who are losing. Absolutely absolutely, I love that
Speaker 1: all right, Well, Robert, I think we did it. I
Speaker 1: think we we nailed it. I don't know this was fun.
Speaker 1: Could you tell the people at home where they can
Speaker 1: find you and what cool stuff you have going on. Yes,
Speaker 1: please allow me that moment. I have a comedy special
Speaker 1: that is a comedy version of everything that I just
Speaker 1: said to you, and it's called Lockdown Detroit. Please go
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Speaker 1: I got a podcast of my own that's Friday for
Speaker 1: p M. Is because mothers never own time, but because
Speaker 1: you know we're black, that's what we do. I'm always
Speaker 1: on the times, you know, that's that's you know, I've
Speaker 1: fallen into that type of captivity through my la for me,
Speaker 1: the white man got your trap. Now you show up
Speaker 1: on time. But they are in the In the name
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Speaker 1: We're gonna put commercials up on there. If you share
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