WEBVTT - SlaverWee (with Robert Hines) 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:04.400 I didn't go to the gym in high school. I 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.200 was at RTC, I didn't. When I got out of TC, 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:09.640 I was ready to die for this country. I joined 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:12.800 the military and got in one of the most violent 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:17.160 jobs you could get. I was. I was field artillery 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.160 and and then nothing that. It wasn't that I wasn't 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.840 smart enough to get another job. I didn't want another job. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.840 That's what you wanted it, That's what I wanted to do. 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.000 And then I came home and some white dude call 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.360 me a nigga. I'm like, hold on, wait a minute, 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:35.280 what fighting a game? Do you know this ship? I 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:36.920 would do for you to be able to stand here 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:38.279 in front of me and talk to me like I 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:49.960 don't matter, right, that's Mr Nigger to you, sir. Chips 0:00:53.520 --> 0:01:08.560 were racist, money home turn stuff. You can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep, 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.600 there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:15.640 to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.319 podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:23.360 black conspiracy theories and we finally work to prove that 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.240 the Vida ligo on Winnie Harlow's body is in fact 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:31.399 a map to finding Tupac. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:35.280 if you lay out all of Winnie Harlow's spots, you 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.959 will find where Tupac is living. Some people say Cuba, 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.600 some people say the Philippines. I say, turned to Winnie. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.280 Stop trying to figure this out on your own. Let's 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.960 talk to Winnie about this ship. Let's take a picture 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.440 of her naked body. And that's not just because I 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:52.520 want to see what it looks like under there. That's 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.000 because I want to see where Pok is. Anyway, I'm 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.360 your host, length Sting Kerman. I'm coming in hot as always, 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.080 Ladies and gentlemen, this is not how you should behave 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.320 This is I gotta do better. But you know who 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.800 doesn't need to do better? You know who's doing just 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:11.640 goddamn fine. He's spectacular. It is my guest today. He's hilarious. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.920 I've I've known of his work for so long and 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.240 it is such a pleasure to have him here. And 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.880 more importantly, he has some brand new special coming out 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.840 on YouTube. It's called Lockdown Detroit. I know it's gonna 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.040 be funny as fun You guys are gonna love him. 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:30.000 Please give it up for Robert, Hi, what's happening baby? 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.000 But man, hey, man, I'm a big fan. Every time 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.520 I hear that open, I'm like, man, this is funny. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:36.799 This is like one of the things, like one of 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.600 the movies you're watching, you find something that you missed before. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.400 Every time you are, I think it's so funny in 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.880 a bazing Oh thanks man. This dude, Nick Chambers, who's 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.400 a very funny comedian, made it. And one of the 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.520 things that we talked about when he made it was 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.760 we wanted to put as many Easter eggs in it 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.560 as possible so that when people listening back there like 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.239 I didn't know you were saying that, and that's pretty 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.760 fucked up, but I'm glad you said it anyway, played 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:06.280 played the intro again. I'm excited you're here because you 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:11.119 came with a conspiracy theory. That is when it came out, 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:15.400 when when it touched ground for the folks at home, 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.240 it caused a lot of controversy. It was a very 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.679 jarring conspiracy theory, to say the least. And I don't 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.960 want to I don't want to belabor this anymore. But 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:36.560 you said, my mama told me slavery was a choice. Yeah, 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:42.400 I thought it absurd when I heard it myself. In 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:46.520 my mind, what was the choice? You know that it 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.440 makes the assumption that one should have jumped off the boat. 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:56.320 You know a few people probably did, and and not enough, 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.840 you know what I'm saying, Not everybody could get there? 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.840 Did yeah? And did everybody wanted to. So I'm saying, like, 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:04.840 for me, when you say the choice now, I would 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.400 tell you this, this version of slavery that we're living 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.120 through now is a choice, because okay, we gotta let 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.400 this whole capitalism. We got to pimp the beast. If 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.360 we're not gonna be capitalism. If this is where we are, 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.000 we gotta start buying from each other. We gotta stop 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.560 promoting each other. And you know, and that's where my 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.760 head is. I'm like, well, it may not have been 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.280 a choice before, but it's one now. So when we 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.400 go out and do what we do, because we always 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.040 excellent that everything we do, whatever you choose to be 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.320 your discipline, I'm telling you, as a person of color, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.719 you are outstanding, and particularly if you black, because we 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:40.880 all know we work in circles where we look around 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.400 it is the only person that's keeping this whole bullshit 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.760 together some little black and one of them hounds. Two 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.000 skirts that's a little too tight with a nicer now 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.680 past that make yo day as a black man, go 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:57.480 buy a little bit better? Yeah yeah, Okay, So you're 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.359 unpacking a lot of ship here that I think, Uh, 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.200 I want to I want to take a few steps 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.000 back because I I think you're getting to something that's 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:09.000 really important here. But you're saying, let's start with where 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.720 you first heard this. Let's let's even take a step 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.040 further back from where we are you here. Slavery is 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.960 a choice. Who is this coming from? I think we 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.359 all kind of know where we first heard it. But 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.760 I'm wondering if maybe you got like a cousin or 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:26.080 some ship who said it to you. Okay, metaphorically you 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.440 hear it all the time in the black community. Well, 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.640 you don't want this to happen. You shouldn't have did that. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:35.360 That's that's essentially slavery is a choice. Like you don't 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.440 have very many choices. We you don't have resources and capitalism, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.440 and nobody ever wants to say that, not even the 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.680 black community. Like sometimes we act really funky when we 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.800 see somebody with less than us, and we act really, 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.320 you know, stay in office, especially if they're not lost, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.320 if they haven't lost their minds, if anybody, if anybody 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.120 post no threat to you, what you're looking down on, 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:57.159 you know. But but besides that, if it is a 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.640 choice now, and in my mind, I think it is 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.680 because we we know we have a pattern of behavior 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.720 from these people, so we know what we have to do, right, 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.880 we don't. We don't have time. Okay, everybody sucked up, everybody. 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:10.440 We gotta heal hell here, and I'm gonna do what 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.240 I can do to help heal. And the best thing 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.039 I could do, being who I am and knowing what 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.880 I know, is that I'm gonna start doing commercials for 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:21.599 black businesses. If I can make people believe that a 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:25.159 a story that does not exist, if people want to 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.040 want to go to that, then I'm making come to 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.520 your ship. So that's why I'm asked to hit me 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.120 on Instagram or whatever, find me, catch me. Now. That's 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.320 way more y'all is me And I procrastinate a lot 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.400 because I smoke a lot of weeds. And when I 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.240 get to you, this ship is gonna be amazing. Okay, 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.600 I got you to you're saying you heard it and 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.400 it's not literally your cousin told it to you, but 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.680 a metaphorical cousin, a family member, a member of our 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.719 community sort of express the thought. And your immediate responses 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.279 not to go shut up, stupid, you're completely wrong, but 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.400 to start to reason with some of that perspective. Absolutely 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.560 find the truth in it, and reconcile with that truth. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.680 Don't reconcile with the bullshit that they're trying to get 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.600 you to reconcile with, or don't fall off on the idea. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.800 And this is not a criticism of the dude who 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.160 said it, because he suffers from the same thing we 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.920 all suffering. We gotta start greating each other on the curve. 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.760 If you truly say you love yourself, yes you start 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.360 with you, but you start with the greater you you did. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.920 They love themselves and they keep those images around you 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.400 all the time. I'm a storyteller, baby, I pay attention 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.720 to all this ship, and I'm saying, like, they tell 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.720 their story all the time. But why is it when 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.560 you tell you us you got to shut up? You 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.840 the racist? You know, that's the insanity to me. So 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.640 I got on us all to realize how wonderful we 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:49.280 are in the nuclear weapon that we have. Sure, and 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.320 I think, I think what you're saying is really interesting, 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.120 but it also I guess it's complicated to me, right, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:56.960 Like it's not in a bad way, but in a 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.480 really like important way that like we should unpass. So 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:05.120 we're talking about sort of recognizing the greater consciousness in 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.960 black culture and sort of like a an idea of 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.640 unity creating unity. Do you feel like and I'm just 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.600 gonna drop the name because we haven't said it yet, 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.720 but fuck it, he's going We're going live with this ship. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.480 When Kanye comes out and he goes four hundred years 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.240 of slavery, that sounds like a choice to me. Do 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:28.720 you feel like that has a potential for unifying? Do 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.320 you feel like when that or is that something that 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:38.000 divides even more than it we already are divided? I 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.400 guess I guess the best way for me to answer that, 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.240 especially on the weeds that I'm currently smoking, because what 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.880 you ask me is a fairly complicated question if it 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.719 gets to the nature of the exact entire thought, and 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.920 my answer to that would sound vague, but it's honest. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.560 It's it's a plus in a negative to everything, right, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.040 so it does unite us, even if it unites us 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.160 against him. And but in addition to that, it also 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.120 lets us have the conversation we are currently having. There 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.360 is complication and black black consciousness that we need to 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:12.120 reconcile amongst ourselves. Now they need to fix racism, but 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.240 we need to fix the effects because they're never going 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.240 to give the effort to and and and and. I 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.360 say all this coming from the perspective of look at 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.120 this background. Dude, I was a correctional officer lockdowns. About 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.600 my experience is trying to be the only dude that 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.640 was partially woke because I wasn't fully woke. I was 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.520 in my twenties. You did what I'm saying. Fifty year 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.120 old me could tell you, man, lankster, kermit nigga, you 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.880 stand out. You understand what I'm saying. And I can 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.800 tell you that because I know everybody your family probably 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.280 stand out at something, because everybody in our great even 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.840 the worst of us, even dude, I lived in Englewood. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.840 I see my family still in Englewood on sixty seven 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:53.240 and dammon, it used to be this bo called Sherman's Foods. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.439 And there was a bone that was standing out in 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.240 front of that store and entertained to get money to 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.400 get drunk. And when I tell you, in a tank, 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.719 he wasn't trying to entertain. He was just entertaining by 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.199 being himself. You walk up to the dude, we will 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.800 get him to buy us drinks, right because we wasn't 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.840 old enough. But as we was coming up, you see 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.840 us coming, you know we won't. But he still give 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:18.000 us his sales spill Nickel Dan quote opinion nicol quarter 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.400 because he's gonna keep hitting the quarter because that's what 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.520 he won't What a little bit of a show that 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.920 don't cost you ship? Yeah, that's who your people are. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.200 And then they got you believe your people are these 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.480 animals that we act like based on the ship that 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:36.360 they've done to us. Okay, so okay, So what by 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:40.280 that suggestion? Then what you're telling me is that while 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:44.280 Kanye's words had the potential to divide at in terms 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.040 of the way people interpreted, what we really should be 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:51.920 focused on is this is a dude articulating or introducing 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:55.360 rather a conversation that needs to be had, and we 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.200 shouldn't spend as much time trying to nitpick his language 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.040 because his languag, which is still the product of a 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.319 bunch of evil people who built an evil thing that's 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.760 sucking us up. Absolutely, do you not think it's having 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.720 any effect on this dude? Like, like, everything, my god, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:17.640 my beautiful people, everything on this planet has a goddamn cost. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.520 Now you listen to this ship Hee was making in 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.720 the beginning that it was amazing and something ship now 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.800 is amazing, but it got a cost to it. That 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.000 that's it is fueled by pain that a lot of 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.360 people can't understand. And those of us who can should 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.920 get a nigger break. God damn, we gave you college 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.160 drop out, leave on the funk along. Let him sit 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:44.280 over there and stewing this bullshit for men. So you're saying, 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.959 and I think that's fair. I do think that one 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.520 of the the more fucked up things that the media 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.920 does is it forces us to have an immediate opinion 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:58.440 without an immediate consideration, right that, Like, all right, he 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.480 said some wild ship, and we react to the wild 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.760 ship instead of reacting to the human underneath the wild ship. Right, Like, 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.960 we're not going like, let's be sensitive to Kanye's struggle 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.800 or what he's he's dealing with. Let's just attack the 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:18.120 words that he's saying. And historically the nigga doesn't talk good, 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.080 you know what I mean, Like he's that's that's literally 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:25.120 his his fucking weakness is talking, you know what I'm saying. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.800 So like, what are we doing when we we go 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.000 and we go? You idiot, you fool? Why would you 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.800 talk bad in front of famous It's like, yo, that's 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.360 that's what he's worth. That man. Man, hey, man, tell 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.760 real quick story, just real quick side. Barbara, I love 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.160 yea my mom lights skating woman from Bell Zone in Mississippi, 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.440 Southern bell Everything has to be a certain way. You 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.600 can never show weakness if you are from the South 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.000 and you are female, but particularly if you light skinned. 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:59.320 That's so she she watching that. Uh the girl that 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.000 was zoned. God damn, I can't think of the child name. Man, 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.160 I smoke so much. But um, your lady dad, the 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.600 young lady dad. She was. She's a singer and she 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:13.400 I don't know if she one American either or she can. Fantasia, 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.880 my god, you the thought Fantasia had spit in Jesus 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:21.760 face when she said I couldn't read. My mother called 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.320 me because you know she knows in the show business. 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.360 And she called me, and this is some don't tell 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.959 nobody type of conversation. I hear my mom, I'm spilling 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.400 he right now. Okay, when she see this ship, she's 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.679 gonna be mad as hell. But she called me, I 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.959 have to assume your mom is not an avid listener 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.960 of this podcast. So you're gonna be fine. It doesn't matter. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:41.960 I know enough people that's gonna get it to her. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.640 My mom was angry when Fantasie said she couldn't been. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.520 She was like, he then went out in front of 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.439 all his white folks and then totally people she can't read. 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.680 And what I heard was, so the system has failed 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.120 this girl to get to this point. What she gave read. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.599 This is what I'm thinking. I'm not thinking about what 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.960 she I'm saying, fix the fucking problem. Let's stop dealing 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.280 with the symptoms, you know. And that's such a it's 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:15.200 such a complicated duality that we always are sort of 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.600 living in right on one angle. You you should we 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:23.040 should be fucking celebrating Fantasia for making it all as 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.280 far as she did to the top of the charts, 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.600 not knowing her A b c's this entire time she 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.280 didn't know none of them, and she made it that far. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.320 And there's a level of that where we should go. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.920 That's amazing, that's a heroic story. But then on the 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.960 other side, because we find ourselves sort of buried under 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.960 decades of respectability politics and and represa, you know, wanting 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.720 our best version of representation, it just ends up being 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:58.640 this stupid bitches out here right telling the world that 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.640 she is illiterate. This is this is embarrassing. She's shaming us. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.960 How how great do you have to be before people 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.200 acknowledge that you're great? You know what I'm saying, How 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.960 great do you have especially when you're black? When you're white, 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.560 the man ports to ship after your racist as, But 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.800 if you're black, how great do you have to be? 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.600 I'm saying, like Mike Man, we get caught up in bullshit. 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.440 That's so amazing to me. Again, I don't have I 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.920 don't care what your sexual preferences. I don't care who 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.000 you are, how you do it, and how you present 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:29.760 when you're doing it. I don't give a funk about 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.080 none of that. I'm looking at the person behind it. 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.960 And um, and so when I heard you know, I 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.040 read Richard price book and then Richard Pryor Hair had 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.720 some some sexual experiences with people other than than women, 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.080 And I heard a lot of dudes being judgment I'm like, 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.600 this is a cats who admire to do like you're 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:51.280 gonna use this man's entire humanity to some shitty did 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.960 in seconds. You know that, I understand your You know, 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.160 lots of people got moral compasses, but what is your 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:02.120 moral compass based on? Yes? And I think it also 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.040 is a standard to that point. It's a standard that 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:10.080 we place on our fellow black folks and that we 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:14.520 don't always place on our white counterparts. Right Like if 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.240 if today, if it came out that, like, you know, 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.760 Bill Gates still counts with his fingers, none of us 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:26.960 would be like this stupid motherfucker embarrassing the white community 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.800 by by announcing that he's not that good at math. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.239 We would just be like, I mean, what a phenomenal 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:35.880 human who also you know what I mean? It's Albert 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:40.120 Einstein who like is suffering with autism and struggling to 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:44.000 communicate through major portions of his life. But we still 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.520 celebrate his journey past that instead of looking at at 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.200 that as some sort of weakness in his in his state, 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.560 in his being, and I think in a in a 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.240 fair way, I think what you're saying, and this is 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.680 getting us back to the Kanye of it all. What 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.520 we're talking about as a person who has a mental 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:07.919 illness and who struggles with articulating a lot of the 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.639 complicated thoughts that live in his head and sometimes finds 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.840 himself with eight feet in his mouth, despite the fact 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.000 that that was not necessarily the intention that he went 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:23.200 into that conversation with at all at all. I'm saying, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.040 love yourself, man, love it. When you get up and 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.639 see Lasan Kerman in the mirror, be be able to 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.800 admit that you stand the funk out that these people 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.080 should honor the one the ground that you got damn 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.159 walk on, because honestly, man, we descend from people that 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.000 gave him a four hunted year head started. Now you 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.720 could tell me, You could tell me that I say 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.520 this to everybody. You can say that, But what you 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.400 can't tell me is, well, I'm lying. You understand what 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:54.399 I'm saying. For dude, this country leads the world based 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:58.040 on your black ass. They're looking for ways to harness 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.159 the power of the sound. We're walking around into like 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:04.320 we got it already. We're showing you you ever. Yeah, man, dude, 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:12.720 look at how pe funk the whole kind. Yeah, that's 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.840 I'm saying, Man, enjoy your greatness, living it's doing it, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.440 and keep making excellent ship. Let me let me play 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.679 a little devil's advocate, because I this is this is 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.040 the nature of the beast. Baby, we gotta. I like 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.520 what you're doing. You're being positive, you're uplifting, You're encouraging 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.919 people to start to see the beauty in the world, 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.480 and all of that's important. But funk that. Let's play 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:38.479 some devil's advocate in this conversation. I'm curious, I guess 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.359 how you feel about some of what Kanye is saying 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:47.080 in relation to his connection to whiteness, right that, like 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.800 he is saying these statements in front of white people, 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.919 he is going home to a white wife, He is 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:58.399 seeking white affirmation. We see this constantly in sort of 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.440 like the choices that he's making of, like he wants 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.920 Louis Vattan or Product or all these like white companies 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:10.040 to affirm that he is a good person. Do you 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.760 think that that complicates what he's saying or do you 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:16.480 think we should just stand on what he's saying, despite 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.680 whatever he's dealing with on a personal level, I'm saying 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:25.200 what I said from the beginning. The equation always comes 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.199 to the same conclusion. Right, everything you describe to me, 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:33.040 I'm hearing as who in America don't feel that way? Right? 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.960 Who in America don't feel like like? Who? Black? Even if? Okay, 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.360 if you gotta work around these people to get your 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.480 dope and capitalism, you need their approval. If you don't 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:47.080 have it, you can't exist, right, And so that is 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.600 that is not just him, that's all of us. Now, 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.760 he just got a bigger platform to act it out 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.399 in a mental illness to amplify it. But it's the 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.080 same thing, and to me, at the end of the day, 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.480 it all points to the same ship. Now, when I 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:06.160 say this, I'm probably gonna be canceled. But because a minute, 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.399 the people that I worked for don't always look like me, 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.720 but I love them. They love me and my inner 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.960 personal relationships. I do not have problems because I'm pleasant 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.400 and I see the pleasantness and other people. But honestly, man, 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.080 all of this ship boils down to just one thing, 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.480 white supremacy. Every problem you tell me a nigga got 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.639 I can do the math to lead back to white supremacy. 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.119 So see, wait a minute, you thought that was gonna 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.359 get you canceled, because that's pretty much the premise of 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:39.040 this show here day. I can't believe he feels that 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.000 way because I walk around with a guy damn brand 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.480 saying fuck this, fuck this. I'm showing you funk this. 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.679 I'm not saying fuck this, right. Yeah, I I do 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:55.480 think that this idea of of circling back to white 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.600 supremacy is a valid one. I do think that, like 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.840 if we turn to the the education and the history, 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.840 are relationships with these things, There's plenty to plenty in 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.000 this country that would lead a person to believe, whether 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.640 I consider it right or wrong, could lead a black 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.879 person to believe that they needed white approval in order 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.879 to gain access. And Kanye, I think is just a 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:25.959 reflection and amplified to your point and amplified reflection of 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.720 that sentiment. Do I think it's it's cool all the time? 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.680 I know, I sit back and I go chill, nigga, 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.840 like come on, bro, like stop. But then on the 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:40.000 other side, I go, yeah, but if he isn't sort 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.640 of like raised in a system that teaches him all 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.360 of these things. He doesn't come to that conclusion independently. 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.000 He's not He's not a psychopath. He just as a 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.359 person being trained in a funked up sort of like 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:58.480 pyramid scheme. If you will do yeah, dig it I have. 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:02.080 I have the same issue that everybody else has. I 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.000 was taught to get a job. I was taught to 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:07.959 be a protector. Man. I was in the Army. As 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:09.400 soon as I got out the Army, I didn't want 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:10.560 to do that ship no more. I don't want to 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:12.520 be a party ship no more. But I had family 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.880 members who workers, and it's like, boy, you better get 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.399 that job. And it was an easy job for me 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.320 to get. I got it and realized how much fucked 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.400