1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: I didn't go to the gym in high school. I 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: was at RTC, I didn't. When I got out of TC, 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: I was ready to die for this country. I joined 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: the military and got in one of the most violent 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: jobs you could get. I was. I was field artillery 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: and and then nothing that. It wasn't that I wasn't 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: smart enough to get another job. I didn't want another job. 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: That's what you wanted it, That's what I wanted to do. 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: And then I came home and some white dude call 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: me a nigga. I'm like, hold on, wait a minute, 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: what fighting a game? Do you know this ship? I 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: would do for you to be able to stand here 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: in front of me and talk to me like I 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: don't matter, right, that's Mr Nigger to you, sir. Chips 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: were racist, money home turn stuff. You can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep, 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: black conspiracy theories and we finally work to prove that 20 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: the Vida ligo on Winnie Harlow's body is in fact 21 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: a map to finding Tupac. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, 22 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: if you lay out all of Winnie Harlow's spots, you 23 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: will find where Tupac is living. Some people say Cuba, 24 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: some people say the Philippines. I say, turned to Winnie. 25 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: Stop trying to figure this out on your own. Let's 26 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: talk to Winnie about this ship. Let's take a picture 27 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: of her naked body. And that's not just because I 28 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: want to see what it looks like under there. That's 29 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: because I want to see where Pok is. Anyway, I'm 30 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: your host, length Sting Kerman. I'm coming in hot as always, 31 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, this is not how you should behave 32 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: This is I gotta do better. But you know who 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: doesn't need to do better? You know who's doing just 34 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: goddamn fine. He's spectacular. It is my guest today. He's hilarious. 35 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: I've I've known of his work for so long and 36 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: it is such a pleasure to have him here. And 37 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: more importantly, he has some brand new special coming out 38 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: on YouTube. It's called Lockdown Detroit. I know it's gonna 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: be funny as fun You guys are gonna love him. 40 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: Please give it up for Robert, Hi, what's happening baby? 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: But man, hey, man, I'm a big fan. Every time 42 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: I hear that open, I'm like, man, this is funny. 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: This is like one of the things, like one of 44 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: the movies you're watching, you find something that you missed before. 45 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: Every time you are, I think it's so funny in 46 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: a bazing Oh thanks man. This dude, Nick Chambers, who's 47 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: a very funny comedian, made it. And one of the 48 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: things that we talked about when he made it was 49 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: we wanted to put as many Easter eggs in it 50 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: as possible so that when people listening back there like 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: I didn't know you were saying that, and that's pretty 52 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: fucked up, but I'm glad you said it anyway, played 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: played the intro again. I'm excited you're here because you 54 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 1: came with a conspiracy theory. That is when it came out, 55 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: when when it touched ground for the folks at home, 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: it caused a lot of controversy. It was a very 57 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: jarring conspiracy theory, to say the least. And I don't 58 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: want to I don't want to belabor this anymore. But 59 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: you said, my mama told me slavery was a choice. Yeah, 60 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: I thought it absurd when I heard it myself. In 61 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: my mind, what was the choice? You know that it 62 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: makes the assumption that one should have jumped off the boat. 63 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: You know a few people probably did, and and not enough, 64 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Not everybody could get there? 65 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: Did yeah? And did everybody wanted to. So I'm saying, like, 66 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: for me, when you say the choice now, I would 67 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: tell you this, this version of slavery that we're living 68 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: through now is a choice, because okay, we gotta let 69 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: this whole capitalism. We got to pimp the beast. If 70 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: we're not gonna be capitalism. If this is where we are, 71 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: we gotta start buying from each other. We gotta stop 72 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: promoting each other. And you know, and that's where my 73 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: head is. I'm like, well, it may not have been 74 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: a choice before, but it's one now. So when we 75 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: go out and do what we do, because we always 76 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: excellent that everything we do, whatever you choose to be 77 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: your discipline, I'm telling you, as a person of color, 78 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: you are outstanding, and particularly if you black, because we 79 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: all know we work in circles where we look around 80 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: it is the only person that's keeping this whole bullshit 81 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: together some little black and one of them hounds. Two 82 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: skirts that's a little too tight with a nicer now 83 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: past that make yo day as a black man, go 84 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: buy a little bit better? Yeah yeah, Okay, So you're 85 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: unpacking a lot of ship here that I think, Uh, 86 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: I want to I want to take a few steps 87 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: back because I I think you're getting to something that's 88 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: really important here. But you're saying, let's start with where 89 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: you first heard this. Let's let's even take a step 90 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: further back from where we are you here. Slavery is 91 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: a choice. Who is this coming from? I think we 92 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: all kind of know where we first heard it. But 93 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if maybe you got like a cousin or 94 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: some ship who said it to you. Okay, metaphorically you 95 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: hear it all the time in the black community. Well, 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: you don't want this to happen. You shouldn't have did that. 97 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: That's that's essentially slavery is a choice. Like you don't 98 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: have very many choices. We you don't have resources and capitalism, 99 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: and nobody ever wants to say that, not even the 100 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: black community. Like sometimes we act really funky when we 101 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: see somebody with less than us, and we act really, 102 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, stay in office, especially if they're not lost, 103 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: if they haven't lost their minds, if anybody, if anybody 104 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: post no threat to you, what you're looking down on, 105 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: you know. But but besides that, if it is a 106 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: choice now, and in my mind, I think it is 107 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: because we we know we have a pattern of behavior 108 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: from these people, so we know what we have to do, right, 109 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have time. Okay, everybody sucked up, everybody. 110 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: We gotta heal hell here, and I'm gonna do what 111 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: I can do to help heal. And the best thing 112 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: I could do, being who I am and knowing what 113 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: I know, is that I'm gonna start doing commercials for 114 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: black businesses. If I can make people believe that a 115 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: a story that does not exist, if people want to 116 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: want to go to that, then I'm making come to 117 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: your ship. So that's why I'm asked to hit me 118 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: on Instagram or whatever, find me, catch me. Now. That's 119 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: way more y'all is me And I procrastinate a lot 120 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: because I smoke a lot of weeds. And when I 121 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: get to you, this ship is gonna be amazing. Okay, 122 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: I got you to you're saying you heard it and 123 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: it's not literally your cousin told it to you, but 124 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: a metaphorical cousin, a family member, a member of our 125 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: community sort of express the thought. And your immediate responses 126 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: not to go shut up, stupid, you're completely wrong, but 127 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: to start to reason with some of that perspective. Absolutely 128 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: find the truth in it, and reconcile with that truth. 129 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: Don't reconcile with the bullshit that they're trying to get 130 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: you to reconcile with, or don't fall off on the idea. 131 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: And this is not a criticism of the dude who 132 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: said it, because he suffers from the same thing we 133 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: all suffering. We gotta start greating each other on the curve. 134 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: If you truly say you love yourself, yes you start 135 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: with you, but you start with the greater you you did. 136 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: They love themselves and they keep those images around you 137 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: all the time. I'm a storyteller, baby, I pay attention 138 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: to all this ship, and I'm saying, like, they tell 139 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: their story all the time. But why is it when 140 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: you tell you us you got to shut up? You 141 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: the racist? You know, that's the insanity to me. So 142 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: I got on us all to realize how wonderful we 143 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: are in the nuclear weapon that we have. Sure, and 144 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: I think, I think what you're saying is really interesting, 145 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: but it also I guess it's complicated to me, right, 146 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: Like it's not in a bad way, but in a 147 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: really like important way that like we should unpass. So 148 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about sort of recognizing the greater consciousness in 149 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: black culture and sort of like a an idea of 150 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: unity creating unity. Do you feel like and I'm just 151 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: gonna drop the name because we haven't said it yet, 152 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: but fuck it, he's going We're going live with this ship. 153 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: When Kanye comes out and he goes four hundred years 154 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: of slavery, that sounds like a choice to me. Do 155 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: you feel like that has a potential for unifying? Do 156 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: you feel like when that or is that something that 157 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: divides even more than it we already are divided? I 158 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: guess I guess the best way for me to answer that, 159 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: especially on the weeds that I'm currently smoking, because what 160 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: you ask me is a fairly complicated question if it 161 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: gets to the nature of the exact entire thought, and 162 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: my answer to that would sound vague, but it's honest. 163 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: It's it's a plus in a negative to everything, right, 164 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: so it does unite us, even if it unites us 165 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: against him. And but in addition to that, it also 166 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: lets us have the conversation we are currently having. There 167 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: is complication and black black consciousness that we need to 168 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: reconcile amongst ourselves. Now they need to fix racism, but 169 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: we need to fix the effects because they're never going 170 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: to give the effort to and and and and. I 171 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: say all this coming from the perspective of look at 172 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: this background. Dude, I was a correctional officer lockdowns. About 173 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: my experience is trying to be the only dude that 174 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: was partially woke because I wasn't fully woke. I was 175 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: in my twenties. You did what I'm saying. Fifty year 176 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: old me could tell you, man, lankster, kermit nigga, you 177 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: stand out. You understand what I'm saying. And I can 178 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: tell you that because I know everybody your family probably 179 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: stand out at something, because everybody in our great even 180 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: the worst of us, even dude, I lived in Englewood. 181 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: I see my family still in Englewood on sixty seven 182 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: and dammon, it used to be this bo called Sherman's Foods. 183 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: And there was a bone that was standing out in 184 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: front of that store and entertained to get money to 185 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: get drunk. And when I tell you, in a tank, 186 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: he wasn't trying to entertain. He was just entertaining by 187 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: being himself. You walk up to the dude, we will 188 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: get him to buy us drinks, right because we wasn't 189 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: old enough. But as we was coming up, you see 190 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: us coming, you know we won't. But he still give 191 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: us his sales spill Nickel Dan quote opinion nicol quarter 192 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: because he's gonna keep hitting the quarter because that's what 193 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: he won't What a little bit of a show that 194 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: don't cost you ship? Yeah, that's who your people are. 195 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: And then they got you believe your people are these 196 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: animals that we act like based on the ship that 197 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: they've done to us. Okay, so okay, So what by 198 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: that suggestion? Then what you're telling me is that while 199 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: Kanye's words had the potential to divide at in terms 200 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: of the way people interpreted, what we really should be 201 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: focused on is this is a dude articulating or introducing 202 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: rather a conversation that needs to be had, and we 203 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: shouldn't spend as much time trying to nitpick his language 204 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: because his languag, which is still the product of a 205 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: bunch of evil people who built an evil thing that's 206 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: sucking us up. Absolutely, do you not think it's having 207 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: any effect on this dude? Like, like, everything, my god, 208 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: my beautiful people, everything on this planet has a goddamn cost. 209 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: Now you listen to this ship Hee was making in 210 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: the beginning that it was amazing and something ship now 211 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: is amazing, but it got a cost to it. That 212 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: that's it is fueled by pain that a lot of 213 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: people can't understand. And those of us who can should 214 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: get a nigger break. God damn, we gave you college 215 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: drop out, leave on the funk along. Let him sit 216 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: over there and stewing this bullshit for men. So you're saying, 217 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: and I think that's fair. I do think that one 218 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: of the the more fucked up things that the media 219 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: does is it forces us to have an immediate opinion 220 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: without an immediate consideration, right that, Like, all right, he 221 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: said some wild ship, and we react to the wild 222 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: ship instead of reacting to the human underneath the wild ship. Right, Like, 223 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: we're not going like, let's be sensitive to Kanye's struggle 224 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: or what he's he's dealing with. Let's just attack the 225 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: words that he's saying. And historically the nigga doesn't talk good, 226 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's that's that's literally 227 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: his his fucking weakness is talking, you know what I'm saying. 228 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: So like, what are we doing when we we go 229 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: and we go? You idiot, you fool? Why would you 230 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: talk bad in front of famous It's like, yo, that's 231 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: that's what he's worth. That man. Man, hey, man, tell 232 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: real quick story, just real quick side. Barbara, I love 233 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: yea my mom lights skating woman from Bell Zone in Mississippi, 234 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: Southern bell Everything has to be a certain way. You 235 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: can never show weakness if you are from the South 236 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: and you are female, but particularly if you light skinned. 237 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: That's so she she watching that. Uh the girl that 238 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: was zoned. God damn, I can't think of the child name. Man, 239 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: I smoke so much. But um, your lady dad, the 240 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: young lady dad. She was. She's a singer and she 241 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if she one American either or she can. Fantasia, 242 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: my god, you the thought Fantasia had spit in Jesus 243 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: face when she said I couldn't read. My mother called 244 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: me because you know she knows in the show business. 245 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: And she called me, and this is some don't tell 246 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: nobody type of conversation. I hear my mom, I'm spilling 247 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: he right now. Okay, when she see this ship, she's 248 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: gonna be mad as hell. But she called me, I 249 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: have to assume your mom is not an avid listener 250 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: of this podcast. So you're gonna be fine. It doesn't matter. 251 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: I know enough people that's gonna get it to her. 252 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: My mom was angry when Fantasie said she couldn't been. 253 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: She was like, he then went out in front of 254 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: all his white folks and then totally people she can't read. 255 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: And what I heard was, so the system has failed 256 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: this girl to get to this point. What she gave read. 257 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,599 Speaker 1: This is what I'm thinking. I'm not thinking about what 258 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: she I'm saying, fix the fucking problem. Let's stop dealing 259 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: with the symptoms, you know. And that's such a it's 260 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: such a complicated duality that we always are sort of 261 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: living in right on one angle. You you should we 262 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: should be fucking celebrating Fantasia for making it all as 263 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: far as she did to the top of the charts, 264 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: not knowing her A b c's this entire time she 265 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: didn't know none of them, and she made it that far. 266 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: And there's a level of that where we should go. 267 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: That's amazing, that's a heroic story. But then on the 268 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: other side, because we find ourselves sort of buried under 269 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: decades of respectability politics and and represa, you know, wanting 270 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: our best version of representation, it just ends up being 271 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: this stupid bitches out here right telling the world that 272 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: she is illiterate. This is this is embarrassing. She's shaming us. 273 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: How how great do you have to be before people 274 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: acknowledge that you're great? You know what I'm saying, How 275 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: great do you have especially when you're black? When you're white, 276 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: the man ports to ship after your racist as, But 277 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: if you're black, how great do you have to be? 278 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like Mike Man, we get caught up in bullshit. 279 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: That's so amazing to me. Again, I don't have I 280 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: don't care what your sexual preferences. I don't care who 281 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: you are, how you do it, and how you present 282 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: when you're doing it. I don't give a funk about 283 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: none of that. I'm looking at the person behind it. 284 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: And um, and so when I heard you know, I 285 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: read Richard price book and then Richard Pryor Hair had 286 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: some some sexual experiences with people other than than women, 287 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: And I heard a lot of dudes being judgment I'm like, 288 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: this is a cats who admire to do like you're 289 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: gonna use this man's entire humanity to some shitty did 290 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: in seconds. You know that, I understand your You know, 291 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: lots of people got moral compasses, but what is your 292 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: moral compass based on? Yes? And I think it also 293 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: is a standard to that point. It's a standard that 294 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: we place on our fellow black folks and that we 295 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: don't always place on our white counterparts. Right Like if 296 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: if today, if it came out that, like, you know, 297 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: Bill Gates still counts with his fingers, none of us 298 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: would be like this stupid motherfucker embarrassing the white community 299 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: by by announcing that he's not that good at math. 300 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,239 Speaker 1: We would just be like, I mean, what a phenomenal 301 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: human who also you know what I mean? It's Albert 302 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: Einstein who like is suffering with autism and struggling to 303 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: communicate through major portions of his life. But we still 304 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: celebrate his journey past that instead of looking at at 305 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: that as some sort of weakness in his in his state, 306 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: in his being, and I think in a in a 307 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: fair way, I think what you're saying, and this is 308 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: getting us back to the Kanye of it all. What 309 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about as a person who has a mental 310 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: illness and who struggles with articulating a lot of the 311 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: complicated thoughts that live in his head and sometimes finds 312 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: himself with eight feet in his mouth, despite the fact 313 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: that that was not necessarily the intention that he went 314 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: into that conversation with at all at all. I'm saying, 315 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: love yourself, man, love it. When you get up and 316 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: see Lasan Kerman in the mirror, be be able to 317 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: admit that you stand the funk out that these people 318 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: should honor the one the ground that you got damn 319 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: walk on, because honestly, man, we descend from people that 320 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: gave him a four hunted year head started. Now you 321 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: could tell me, You could tell me that I say 322 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: this to everybody. You can say that, But what you 323 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: can't tell me is, well, I'm lying. You understand what 324 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: I'm saying. For dude, this country leads the world based 325 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: on your black ass. They're looking for ways to harness 326 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: the power of the sound. We're walking around into like 327 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: we got it already. We're showing you you ever. Yeah, man, dude, 328 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: look at how pe funk the whole kind. Yeah, that's 329 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Man, enjoy your greatness, living it's doing it, 330 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: and keep making excellent ship. Let me let me play 331 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: a little devil's advocate, because I this is this is 332 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: the nature of the beast. Baby, we gotta. I like 333 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: what you're doing. You're being positive, you're uplifting, You're encouraging 334 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: people to start to see the beauty in the world, 335 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: and all of that's important. But funk that. Let's play 336 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 1: some devil's advocate in this conversation. I'm curious, I guess 337 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: how you feel about some of what Kanye is saying 338 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: in relation to his connection to whiteness, right that, like 339 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: he is saying these statements in front of white people, 340 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: he is going home to a white wife, He is 341 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: seeking white affirmation. We see this constantly in sort of 342 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: like the choices that he's making of, like he wants 343 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: Louis Vattan or Product or all these like white companies 344 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: to affirm that he is a good person. Do you 345 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: think that that complicates what he's saying or do you 346 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: think we should just stand on what he's saying, despite 347 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: whatever he's dealing with on a personal level, I'm saying 348 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: what I said from the beginning. The equation always comes 349 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: to the same conclusion. Right, everything you describe to me, 350 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: I'm hearing as who in America don't feel that way? Right? 351 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: Who in America don't feel like like? Who? Black? Even if? Okay, 352 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: if you gotta work around these people to get your 353 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: dope and capitalism, you need their approval. If you don't 354 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: have it, you can't exist, right, And so that is 355 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: that is not just him, that's all of us. Now, 356 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: he just got a bigger platform to act it out 357 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: in a mental illness to amplify it. But it's the 358 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: same thing, and to me, at the end of the day, 359 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: it all points to the same ship. Now, when I 360 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: say this, I'm probably gonna be canceled. But because a minute, 361 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: the people that I worked for don't always look like me, 362 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: but I love them. They love me and my inner 363 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: personal relationships. I do not have problems because I'm pleasant 364 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: and I see the pleasantness and other people. But honestly, man, 365 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: all of this ship boils down to just one thing, 366 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: white supremacy. Every problem you tell me a nigga got 367 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: I can do the math to lead back to white supremacy. 368 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: So see, wait a minute, you thought that was gonna 369 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: get you canceled, because that's pretty much the premise of 370 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: this show here day. I can't believe he feels that 371 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: way because I walk around with a guy damn brand 372 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: saying fuck this, fuck this. I'm showing you funk this. 373 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: I'm not saying fuck this, right. Yeah, I I do 374 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: think that this idea of of circling back to white 375 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: supremacy is a valid one. I do think that, like 376 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: if we turn to the the education and the history, 377 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: are relationships with these things, There's plenty to plenty in 378 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: this country that would lead a person to believe, whether 379 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: I consider it right or wrong, could lead a black 380 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: person to believe that they needed white approval in order 381 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: to gain access. And Kanye, I think is just a 382 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: reflection and amplified to your point and amplified reflection of 383 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: that sentiment. Do I think it's it's cool all the time? 384 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: I know, I sit back and I go chill, nigga, 385 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: like come on, bro, like stop. But then on the 386 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: other side, I go, yeah, but if he isn't sort 387 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: of like raised in a system that teaches him all 388 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: of these things. He doesn't come to that conclusion independently. 389 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: He's not He's not a psychopath. He just as a 390 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: person being trained in a funked up sort of like 391 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: pyramid scheme. If you will do yeah, dig it I have. 392 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: I have the same issue that everybody else has. I 393 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: was taught to get a job. I was taught to 394 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: be a protector. Man. I was in the Army. As 395 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: soon as I got out the Army, I didn't want 396 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: to do that ship no more. I don't want to 397 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: be a party ship no more. But I had family 398 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: members who workers, and it's like, boy, you better get 399 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: that job. And it was an easy job for me 400 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: to get. I got it and realized how much fucked 401 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: up this ship was. This was I started in jail 402 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: nine nine four. I started jail in nineteen twenty four 403 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: years old. And when I started there, they had just 404 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: signed the crime Bill. Now all these jobs are available, 405 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: all these jobs are available. Who you think come to 406 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: get these jobs? When we just got through being a 407 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: recession and it changed everything in that jail. Like when 408 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: I started, it was one way, and by the time 409 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: I was there for two or three years. It was 410 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: a whole gather different animal, right, And when you say 411 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: a different animal, are you saying it changed for the 412 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: I have to some not the better. It had to 413 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: have changed, But maybe it did change for the better. 414 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: Maybe it did transition into something where y'all all felt like, well, 415 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: at least people that look like us are now. I 416 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: can't assume that it was exactly the opposite when it 417 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: wasn't done and there were no white folks working there, 418 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: very few. Right, as soon as the money started, you 419 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: always got to follow the dollars and capitalism baby, and 420 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: and and then when the dollars stopped flowing in a 421 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: certain direction of capitalism, there will be a reason that 422 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: they tell you they stopped, and there will be an 423 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: actual fucking reason. And if you want to know what 424 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: the truth is, just follow the money. That's all you 425 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: ever got to do when dealing with America, an American 426 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: brand capitalism. That's fair. I guess one of the things 427 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: that that and I want to ask one more question 428 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: before we go to break. One of the things that 429 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: you keep sort of pointing to is sort of the 430 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: failures of capitalism, which agree with I think we've created 431 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: a system where and It's one of the major sort 432 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: of like intentional flaws is the wrong word because it's 433 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: very intentional and it's structuring. Is that in capitalism, somebody, 434 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: for somebody to be as wealthy as you know, a 435 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: a Jeff Basos gets a million, people have to be poor. 436 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: That's just a fact of the system. It's there's no 437 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: way around it, right. I guess One of the things 438 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: that keeps popping in my head though, is Kanye couldn't 439 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: be a more avid capitalist, right, Like that motherfucker loves capitalism. 440 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: He would suck capitalisms titties if capitalism pulled him out 441 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: right in front of him. And I wonder what you 442 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: do with that feeling in relation to what he's saying, Well, 443 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: capitalism is the reality, m That's what it is. Capitalism 444 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: is a reality. And for me, I I can't. It's 445 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: hard for me to gauge what it's like to be 446 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: where Kanye is because I'm not that I mean, not 447 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: in that space. Right. Sure, so I could explain it 448 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: to you better had I been in the space. But again, 449 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: the bottom line is still the same, right, The bottom 450 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: line is still the disease that is capitalism. But I 451 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: did even in that if that's the reality, if that's 452 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: what we gotta be at, then let's get from where 453 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,239 Speaker 1: we are to where we want to be. And so 454 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: that's what I see in Kanye, like, well, if this 455 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: is the game, I'm gonna winning, and then I teach 456 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: and then I'll do whatever else. Right, So this isn't 457 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: him so much uh shaming a bunch of people historically, 458 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: but more being like, look, this is where we are, 459 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: and if y'all don't do something about it, we will 460 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: continue to stay at the bottom of this really fucked 461 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 1: up system instead of figuring out a way towards the 462 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: top of it. Man, this we as a people attacked 463 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,959 Speaker 1: ice Cube. I'm not saying that didn't make a mistake. 464 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but the ice Cube niked before 465 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: you finished that sentence. I thought you were gonna say 466 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: isis But nope, you went to ice Cube and I'm excited. 467 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: Keep telling me more. I just all right, come back. 468 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna get mad at that. Nia. We can do 469 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: better than that. Find Out what the naked talking about. 470 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: Go find out what he's what he's doing, find out 471 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: what's going on with the brother, find out why he 472 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: did it. Don't just attack, find out why he did it, 473 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: because you know we're on the same bullshit. We knowlls. 474 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: So just because their position is higher than yours don't 475 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: mean that the bullshit ain't thick. You just want to 476 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: as you're dealing with the ship and you closer to 477 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: the bastards who create right. So when ice Cube asked 478 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: are we there yet? We need not parce out why 479 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: he's asking that question. We need to ask where the 480 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: there is? I hear you. I'm seeing what you're putting down. Baby, 481 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: I get it. The dude is brilliant. I'm just the 482 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: funny comes out of his boards. Ladies said, hey, we're 483 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: gonna take a break. We'll be back with more rob 484 00:26:42,320 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: Ryans more. My mama told me, and we are back great, Yeah, 485 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: we're back here. We're more Robert Hines more. My mom 486 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: had told me. We're still talking about the possibility that 487 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: Kanye wasn't completely out of his gourd when he said 488 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: that slavery was a choice, that there there possibly was 489 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: a level of truth to it that we unreasonably attacked 490 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: when we uh when we called him a fool and 491 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: told him that his clothes look like homeless people closed, 492 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: that's where we're at in the convo. I'm excited. I 493 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: I want to get into this research because I think 494 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: there's a fair amount of of complicated ship that's sort 495 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: of I unpacked at least in my findings as as 496 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: I thought about this subject. But one of the things 497 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: that I think will help ground the research is to 498 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: remind people that the original quote that came from Kanye 499 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: actually came from an interview he did at TMC headquarters. 500 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: Who was talking to that Harvey and Harvey Levin ain't 501 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: got his name, The little wormy guy who who drinks 502 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: out the juice box all the time. He was steroid 503 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: up every day. Yeah, he's that's that's very true. He's 504 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: like a weird buff, you know what I mean, where 505 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: it's like, it's not a buff anybody aspires to. It's 506 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: just sort of like small and mustlie. I don't like 507 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: it at all. Yeah, I gave an effort. That's okay. 508 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: So the original quote that Kanye says is when you 509 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: hear about slavery for four hundred years, for four hundred years, 510 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: that sounds like a choice. You were there for four 511 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: hundred years and it's all of y'all. It's like we're 512 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: mentally imprisoned, mentally imprisoned being I think a key thing 513 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: that's sort of got cut off in the original sort 514 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: of quote. Now, I don't like the quote, I'll be 515 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: real with you, not a fan of the quote, but 516 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: I do think the the at least the slightly longer 517 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: version of the quote, does give some context to what 518 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: he was intending to go for and his initial conversation 519 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: exactly exactly I I mean, the quote is still a 520 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: garbage quote. I mean, even like you shouldn't build a 521 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: sentence around the concept of having a choice to go 522 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: through this type of health versus what you know what 523 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like that shouldn't be the the that should 524 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: never be the underturne of the thought. But at the 525 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: same time, we all are victims of the same ship, 526 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: and we all have it, and we show scars differently. 527 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: That's why I'm getting to be one of them old dudes. 528 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: And and it happens to you all of a sudden, Brother, 529 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna look back like God, damn, you should have 530 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: fasts right. And what you find is that when you 531 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: truly love yourself, you look past your personal flaws, you 532 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: look past the people around you, personal flaws and when 533 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: I heard like, dudes, I'm saying, I wish your brother 534 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: would put a fans though. But just the dang pulled 535 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: up don't mean I can't talk to you. You know 536 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You need to know that you love 537 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: no matter what, and maybe if I show you enough 538 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: love and show you enough example, then you'll pull him 539 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: up on your damn my hown. You see what I'm saying, 540 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: Stop dealing them, deal with the cold. I like that, 541 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: I do think you know. That was the We've talked 542 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: about it a little bit on this podcast. But the 543 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: famous sort of like Cosby the the speech he gave 544 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: where he liked shame black people for having too many 545 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: kids and not pulling up their pants and all the 546 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: ship that he said with Spanish fly in his pockets 547 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: was was more you like he had to have a 548 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: full pocket filled with Spanish fly. I was like, pull 549 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: your girl right. I got a lot of money and 550 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: a lot of pills. Fucking sick. Oh. But that said, 551 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: he isn't, in any way, to your point, talking to 552 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: the humans that need to hear it. He's talking to 553 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: the people who have already decided they're above the position 554 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: of those people, and it's like, oh, if he could 555 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: take a minute to figure out how to actually just 556 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: talk to people, then maybe they're just gonna be like, yo, 557 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: you know who are rock with so hard? Bill Cosby, 558 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: And I like him so much. I'm gonna pull my 559 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: pants up to my belly button the same way he does, 560 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: because that's the example I want to live by. And 561 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: I don't have to have someone tell me that. I 562 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: can just see it in my own world. If you 563 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: want to fix the problem, then go to the root 564 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: cause of it. Stop and and and again we again, 565 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: we can't look at it through in any other lands. 566 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna judge you because Okay, first of all, when 567 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,719 Speaker 1: you don't have freedom, when you don't have true freedom, 568 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: you can't act any kind of way. You gotta act 569 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: a certain type of way when you don't have freedom, right. 570 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 1: And then what I'm seeing from these young folks, man, 571 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm doing all around the country right now. I mean 572 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: it's even during COVID. I'm I'm just starting to get 573 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: get out here amongst people. And what I'm seeing is 574 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: young black folks is making a little network of their 575 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: own selves together and getting money together. And so rather 576 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: than you old dudes who are still working for somebody 577 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: and struggling. Look at these little brothers and figure out 578 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: what they do and listen to him. Man, we are 579 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: there is an entire commerce on on the Internet that 580 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: black people need to be more involved in. And I'm 581 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: talking about black volks of my age, and I'm saying like, 582 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,239 Speaker 1: and the only way you're gonna find out this if 583 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: you listen to your children and stop hating yourself and 584 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: start loving yourself, and watch how the rhythm of everything 585 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: will change. I love that. And I love the the 586 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: extra uh little ump you put right on the end 587 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: of that sentence. It was beautiful. I felt like I 588 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: was in church on the Sunday. It was I love that. 589 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: One of the things that immediately jumps out when you 590 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: look up the Kanye says slavery is a choice thing 591 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: is that there are a ship ton of Reddit threats 592 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: that actually pop up of people justifying his statement. It's 593 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people who say it's crazy, 594 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: but there are a lot of people were like, y'all 595 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: just don't get it. And one of the rudded threads 596 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: that really jumped out to me that this kind of 597 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: goes back to what you were saying in the beginning 598 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: is that many people were making the argument in support 599 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: of Kanye, saying that slavery was technically a choice because 600 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: they could have just killed themselves right right, right right, 601 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: where's the choice in that? Like, I know what I'm 602 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: facing is some ship I don't know, but I also 603 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: don't know that I know. Everybody ever did this ain't 604 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: never come back. Now, there's two ways to think about dying. 605 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: You can decide like everything else is a plus in 606 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: a negative. The one thing you can say, and I'm 607 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: gonna saying this with great confidence, nobody ever left and 608 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: came back. Every time people like I'm good, I ain't 609 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: enough of that ship. I'm over here where I am now, Yeah, 610 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: you dig I ain't said I want to die. I'm 611 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: not gonna be as scared as anybody else and be like, funk, 612 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: let's see what happens next. So you're saying and correct 613 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrongs, and you're saying in that same position, 614 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: you might have been one of these people who was like, 615 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm out, rather than seeing this to the end. 616 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely if it, if it felt like a logical choice, 617 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: maybe maybe that would be you know what I mean, like, 618 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: but to me, I'm thinking, Okay, if I'm gonna die 619 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: or if I'm gonna go, well, I'm going let's see 620 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen when I go and go. I know 621 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: these mothers ain't gonna be nice to me. They've proven 622 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: that already. Sure they beat my they beat my knees 623 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: pretty good. I can't imagine they're about to be real 624 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: cool once we get off this boat. Not at all, 625 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: Not at all. And I got people around me that 626 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: I want to take care of. I ain't gonna let it. 627 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna leave the area. I ain't gonna, I 628 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: feel to leave these people with these people like this, 629 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: not those of them. Ye know, well that I guess that. 630 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: That's what I struggled with, especially in that response of like, well, 631 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: you could have just killed yourself that technically it is 632 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: also a choice. Is that it presumes this individual relationship 633 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: with slavery that wasn't actually the case. Yes, individuals could 634 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: have killed themselves, but that doesn't change the system. And like, 635 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: unless you're getting literally hundreds of millions of black people 636 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: to basically do a collective suicide, you're not solving a problem. 637 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: You're just asking a bunch of individuals to opt out, 638 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: and it feels like it has sort of the same 639 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: selfish nature of the capitalism we were talking about earlier. 640 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,479 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, well I got out, so you could 641 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: have too. And it's like, I don't know, bro, I 642 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: don't know if that's how that works. And dig this. 643 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: So let's say the first boatload and Nis just jumped 644 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: off and saying fuck it, you know, because one of 645 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: the most brilliant comedians of our time is Eddie Murphy 646 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: and he kind of laid it out already, right. I'm 647 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: sure the first thing was like fun this, Yeah, I 648 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: got that whoop on the ass. But I'm saying, like, 649 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: what if they've just stopped and everybody just jumped off 650 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: the boat, and what do you think they're gonna do? 651 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: The win ain't stopped. They're gonna turn theirs around and 652 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: go back and get some mold. So what are you 653 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: actually solved? Right? This isn't a solution for all. This 654 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: is a solution for self. And maybe that's what makes 655 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: all of Kanye's statements complicated for me, at least personally, 656 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: is that it very much feels like a person talking 657 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: for self and not necessarily a person talking for a 658 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: greater good or a a even if that is in 659 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: his mind, the intention, it certainly isn't. What is uh 660 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: what is being said out loud? Absolutely, people who say 661 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: ship like that have never given thought to an actual 662 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: viable solution, and and and and what the problem is 663 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: with that is because a lot of times the actual 664 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: viable solution could seem unattainable. But it's only unattainable if 665 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: you allow that to be the thought you did. Like 666 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: like like when I say to you, a man, I 667 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: know um and and this is me being honest in 668 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: my very core. I know that these people have told 669 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: up everything we ever built, But that don't mean we 670 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: stopped building. So let's build this. Let's let's make our 671 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: own particular portion of capitalism that feeds us. Because every 672 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 1: other part of this society is divided up by ethnic group. 673 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: What do black people control. We don't really control nothing 674 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 1: but your opportunity to get rich. You did what I'm saying, 675 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: that's what we control. We're not getting rich like we 676 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: supposed to. So what I'm saying, like, if you're giving 677 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: that energy and giving that thought process, let's build again 678 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: the one thing we got that we ain't never had before. 679 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: Is the goddamn Internet. So let's use this like we 680 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: supposed to use it. Find these young people who know 681 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: how to use it. My little cousin makes soap. I'm 682 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: about to start selling her soap. You understand what I'm saying. 683 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start selling her. Her daughter makes cakes. I'm 684 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna start selling her cakes. I'm saying, get in my mbox, 685 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: tell me what you sail. Give me a minute, I'm 686 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: gonna get back to you. Let's fix capitalism for us, 687 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: right that. In essence, your your goal is to apply 688 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: the logic that Kanye is is saying, but remove some 689 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: of the a selfishness that lives in the way that 690 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: he's saying it or presenting it to Is that a 691 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: viable solution? Do this or that? That is really not 692 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: a viable solution. And that's what I'm saying to you 693 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: is Yes, exactly what you're saying, is what I'm saying, 694 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: Here's a solution that I found that is very attainable, 695 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,919 Speaker 1: and we don't have to worry about it working because 696 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: it's worked every other time. They never they just not 697 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: the first slavery they had. You know what I'm saying, 698 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: they would have found other people and it didn't work out. 699 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: The only people worked out with is you. You are 700 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: your only solution. So start working with each other. Stop 701 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: hating that little boy and listen to him. Everybody has 702 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: we all. Let me just make this one quick point. 703 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: You can play a little music whatever, because this is 704 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: the point. This is Oh wait a minute, you want 705 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: to talk that talk something. Okay, let's do it. We'll 706 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: talk some talk. All right, I'm about to give you 707 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: thirty seconds, Robert go crazy, talk that talk. Racism is 708 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: not just about color, but it's about generations. And what 709 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling you is stop generationally hating yourself and but 710 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: also pick the ship that works and use it again. 711 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: We know we can build communities amongst ourselves. But what 712 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: is the difference. Where is the power? The power is 713 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: that when people know some ship is fucked up, ship 714 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: starts to function differently. And I'm saying we got that, 715 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: we got the entire internet. Build us some ship from 716 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: this internet, and when they come to tear down, show 717 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: it on the internet again and be prepared to protect. Hey, 718 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: there it is. We're talking talk, baby, We're talking talk. 719 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: Hold on, that's cool, motherfucking bush we're we're talking to 720 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: some thought. Here you go, all right, let's let's keep 721 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: digging into some of this research, because I think you're 722 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: making a bunch of pretty valid points. One of the 723 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: things that I thought was helpful, at least in considering 724 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: this conversation is the question of actual choices in regards 725 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: to slavery. Right, not this theoretical thing of us being 726 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: int one arguing with a bunch of people who were 727 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,479 Speaker 1: living in eighteen whatever or sixteen whatever, but literally what 728 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 1: choices did they actually have? And one of the things 729 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: that I think the best starting place is to remind 730 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: people that the emancipatory and Proclamation goes into effect January one, 731 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty three, but it isn't until June nineteenth. That's 732 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: why we have juneteenth, eighteen sixty five. That many black 733 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: people in the Southern States actually learn of their freedom. 734 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: The word doesn't get down to them because the Internet 735 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: doesn't exist, and motherfuckers ain't excited to make a phone 736 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: call and be like, hey, let your slaves go, right. 737 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: So because of that, a bunch of people do stay 738 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: in servitude for almost for more than two years, basically 739 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: unbeknownst to them that they were in fact technically freed. 740 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: But some could argue, if I'm going to be be 741 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: the worst version of Devil's advocate in this situation, some 742 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: could argue that they are remaining in servitude I guess 743 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: voluntarily at that point, even though technically they still get 744 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: their ass whooped and uh feet cut off if they 745 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: made any attempt to leave. That's that well, there's that's 746 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 1: there's that part. But let's just say this, Okay, let's 747 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: look at how they treat each other. Just look look 748 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: at how Europe is treated in gym. There was a 749 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 1: world war and they had a whole plan. We're gonna 750 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: build all this ship back. We're gonna make sure people 751 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: got infrastructure, We're gonna make sure people got ways of eating. 752 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 1: We're gonna make it. And they tried that ship in 753 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: America for a short while. See that's the thing. People don't. 754 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: They tell you historic terms, but they really don't tell 755 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: you what they need. Right, So, dur our reconstruction, the 756 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: ship was working. You think what I'm saying was getting businesses, 757 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: Things were happening. You cannot expect to let these people 758 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: who have only known one way of living just all 759 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden turnament loose and think it's gonna be 760 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: all right. Sure, you know everybody has support here. If 761 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: they had colleges that supported people here. When they started America, 762 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: they organized for everybody and organized against us. Every system 763 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: in America, the government, every system that the government asked 764 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: and you can tell me where I'm wrong, tell me 765 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: where I'm wrong, has somehow found its way to work 766 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: against you. No, I think I think there's there's something 767 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: really honest in that. And additionally, what I'll say is 768 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 1: that it reminds me of the fact that there were 769 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: plenty of black people who fought on the side of 770 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: the Confederacy in the Civil War much in the way 771 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: that you're describing. It's not because they are like yo, 772 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: I just love slavery as much as they are like, 773 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: this is the system I was raised in, that I 774 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: was brought into. This is all I know. So the 775 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: idea of fighting against it and being brought into something 776 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: worse or or even worse, not even having all the 777 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: information to know what the better could be is essentially 778 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: what they're fighting for. They're they're fighting in fear of 779 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: their own lives, but then also the lives that may 780 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: come as a result of you know, the freedom quote 781 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: unquote on the other side. Absolutely, dude. That's the other thing. 782 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: That's the other thing about this generational divide. We also 783 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: divide ourselves via education. Now I can't do everything, but 784 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,879 Speaker 1: I got a community of motherfucker's around me who can, right, 785 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: And so rather than like talk down about people who 786 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 1: are educated, because some of us getting into the habit 787 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: of starting to do that, like no one ship is bad. 788 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:42,399 Speaker 1: You know here, stupid motherfucker in love yourself. Look at 789 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 1: the like, damn you do this one dude. I'll listen 790 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: to some of your podcasts I do and I and 791 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: when you get to this point, I'd be like so 792 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: proud of, like, damn that they get educated. Look at him, like, dude, 793 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: nobody understand. People truly do not understand. The level to 794 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: which you could co switch denotes a lot of where 795 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: you get in society. Yeah, what I'm saying, and I'm 796 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: listening to you, I'm like, yeah, then again it's talking 797 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: that talk. Hey man, I grew up in the suburbs. 798 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: Maybe this is this is something noise comes out, you 799 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I can't I can't fix it much, 800 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: but you know, I don't see any flaws in it. 801 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: Let's see any flows in That's what it is, exists, 802 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: how we exist, baby. I like that. One of the 803 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: things that that also sort of came in some of 804 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: this research was I saw this this article from this dude, Douglas, 805 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: a black men, who is not black at all. He 806 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: is very, very white. But Douglas, a Black men, wrote 807 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: this article that basically says that despite black people technically 808 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,760 Speaker 1: being made free after slavery, slavery did continue for another 809 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: eighty years and what he's calling the age of neo slavery. Now, 810 00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: this neo slavery is basically when Southern lawmakers started to 811 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: figure out new strategies for arresting black people that would 812 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: make up new laws, completely brand new laws. Uh. In 813 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: the article, he talks about one dude who got arrested 814 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: for quote unquote vagrancy because he didn't have official proof 815 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 1: that he was employed, and by not having proof that 816 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: he was employed, he was arrested, he was taking to jail, 817 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,240 Speaker 1: he was kept in that jail, and when he couldn't 818 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: pay the fines to get out of that jail, he 819 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 1: was then sold to a private company, a coal mining company, 820 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,720 Speaker 1: and then that coal mining company allowed him to quote 821 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: unquote work off his wages, but in working off his wages, 822 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: they basically tied him to the inside of a coal 823 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: mine and made him basically lived down there for the 824 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: whole of his life while he like worked for twelve 825 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: dollars a month, which wasn't enough to ever like earn 826 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: his freedom. So he was a slave. He just was 827 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: a slave through the prison complex and not traditional slavery. 828 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: What does that sound like to you? Honestly, what does 829 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: that sound like to you? It sounds like an American job. 830 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: You work someplace and you get just enough money to 831 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,359 Speaker 1: feed yourself and the people around you, just enough wanting 832 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: to get you a certain degree of okay with the situation, 833 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: but never enough to really pass something down to the 834 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: next one of you, never enough to truly be independent 835 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,839 Speaker 1: of the system. Right, And what is that? What is that? 836 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: When you hear people saying they got retirement, Yes, you 837 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: have retired, you have that, But what do your kids 838 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 1: have once you've gone? Not enough, it's yours. It's overish. 839 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: Yes you are taking care of but nobody else is 840 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: under you is and you may have some ship to 841 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: leave to him. But I'm saying overall I'll tell you what, 842 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: if one of these roth tiles and somebody like that 843 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: with them type names die, They're not worried about how 844 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: their grandkids gonna bury. M hmm. That is what I'm 845 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,800 Speaker 1: talking about. That. So, where is it any difference in 846 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: slavery and right? I think I think it goes back 847 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 1: to our initial conversation about like the way that wealth 848 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: is distributed in this country and control in this kind 849 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 1: untreat that like truly we for the most part, so 850 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: many Americans exist in a way that if something bad happens, 851 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: it can be detrimental to their entire existence. Whereas you 852 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: want to find yourself in a way that God forbid 853 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: someone in your life does pass, or like something bad 854 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,319 Speaker 1: does happen, you can bounce back from that motherfucker rather 855 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,919 Speaker 1: than being trapped at the bottom of a fucking coal 856 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 1: mine with your leg tied up being told that this 857 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: is the only way you can work towards freedom. And 858 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: the one other thing I want to point out real quick, 859 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,959 Speaker 1: real quick, because this is very important and I'm glad 860 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: you mentioned it. This was the law. This is the 861 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: government telling you. And when again look at every metric, 862 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: every guy, every law is always the same people. Law 863 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 1: can't be just if the enforcement of it isn't just. 864 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: And I know because I did it. I know because 865 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: I did it. Yeah, you know why I took the 866 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: job is because in my family and I was doing 867 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: really well when I started. I'm a stand up comedian 868 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 1: by trade. When I started doing stand up, I was 869 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,879 Speaker 1: doing really well in the city of Chicago. Not only 870 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: was I doing well in the city Chicago, I was 871 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: doing well in my neighborhood. I got a hood past 872 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 1: nigga I was not them. Niggas would call me Hollywood. 873 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,839 Speaker 1: I would come home hanging out with Burnie back two 874 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,799 Speaker 1: or three in the morning, and mother's be like, oh, 875 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: look at Hollywood, he just come back. What happened? What happened? 876 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: Night comes? So how can I not love these people? 877 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. They gave me a hood 878 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: pass As much hell as the hood gave me, it 879 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,359 Speaker 1: also gave me a whole lot of motherfucker's strength, right 880 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 1: and so and and back then, I was doing really well. 881 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: And my parents, I work or bees. You can't tell 882 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,879 Speaker 1: them a job ain't the best thing. You can't tell 883 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: my family. My family is working classy from Mississippi. If 884 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 1: you want to take care of kids, you got to 885 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: go punch a clock. All this imagination ship is for them, 886 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 1: it ain't for you. And that is the lesson that 887 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,360 Speaker 1: I was taught. So I took the job, not even 888 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 1: in my pain, even if dude, it's stories that I 889 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: could tell you based on who I am that changed 890 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,759 Speaker 1: me in that jail for the better and for the worst, right, 891 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: And I think I think you touched on something that 892 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: I think is really sort of important in this conversation 893 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: of you can be both somebody who loves your people 894 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,319 Speaker 1: and represents your people and fights for your people, while 895 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,240 Speaker 1: simultaneously being a part of a system that doesn't work 896 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,239 Speaker 1: in favor of your people and doing things sometimes that 897 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: don't service the people that you you care about or 898 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: wish you could do better for. And so that much 899 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: in the way of the Kanye language, is sort of 900 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: what we're always battling against. This. If I spend my 901 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: entire life dedicated to my people, I could end up 902 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: like Malcolm X, which is getting shot and while I'm 903 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,279 Speaker 1: at my most broke, you know what I mean, Like 904 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: it truly could be me going out of out of 905 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: this earth with no money and a bunch of bullets 906 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: in my chest. And that's a it's a complicated dance 907 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,479 Speaker 1: that we're being put in, and you got to figure 908 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,840 Speaker 1: it out for you own individual self and in my 909 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: individual self based on the strengths and the weaknesses that 910 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: I have. My idea is to sell your ship. And 911 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,839 Speaker 1: I know I keep saying, I know, I keep going 912 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 1: back to it, baby, But that's the nobody. That's the 913 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: nature of Toby Jones, that's the nature of Chicago. That's 914 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 1: the nature of who we are at Chicago. Wins. Is 915 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,120 Speaker 1: this the situation, then let me get some money at you. 916 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 1: You did what I'm saying. Let's get this money from 917 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: them and keep circulating it amongst us and keep you 918 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,479 Speaker 1: with that. There's gonna be some some commercials you're gonna 919 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: see me do. Probably that you're like, well, don't need 920 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,359 Speaker 1: to do that commercial. Well, I'm telling you now, so 921 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: I can have the money to keep doing your ship 922 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,240 Speaker 1: because they care me. First, Let's keep it flowing, baby, 923 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,359 Speaker 1: Let's let's keep the money going. And if I gotta 924 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,359 Speaker 1: do some commercials, I'll do it. Yeah, hell yeah, I'm 925 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: doing a commercial right now for for a juice bar 926 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: on eighty seven in Winchester. It's called Easy Living Juice Bar. 927 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:51,880 Speaker 1: And I went in there and I saw it was 928 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: black owned. I went in there and I had some 929 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,920 Speaker 1: food and while I was standing at the brother up 930 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,839 Speaker 1: sold me some ship and I tasted and I was like, God, damn, 931 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: this as good as hell. And then I got in 932 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 1: my car and I sat down and I was like, 933 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: here go what it starts. And I went back in 934 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,240 Speaker 1: there and I did a commercial would and and the people, 935 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,319 Speaker 1: uh Hannibal Birth supports me so very much, and we 936 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: got through I solo man media. Um. We got the 937 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 1: first part of it done, and I had the next 938 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 1: part when I get back to Chicago, because I want 939 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: to actually get you the opportunity to know these people 940 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: who are in your community. I like that I the 941 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,479 Speaker 1: last little I want to get to this last little 942 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: bit of bit of research because I think it is 943 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: a worthy sort of like out for us in terms 944 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,239 Speaker 1: of this conversation. But one of the things that I 945 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,760 Speaker 1: discovered in some of this that I didn't know before 946 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,440 Speaker 1: is that some people argue that one of the first 947 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,799 Speaker 1: people to actually technically own a slave in America was 948 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: a black man. That in North America, the first slave 949 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,839 Speaker 1: owner was a black man. And you know, we've heard 950 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: for years that black people sold other black people into slavery. 951 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,320 Speaker 1: There's a level of truth to that, although they completely 952 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: ignore how much of that was curated by white people, 953 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 1: sort of like taking advantage of what already existed. It's 954 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 1: a longer conversation, but there was this dude, basically his 955 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: name was Anthony Joshua, who was a an indentured servant 956 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:20,160 Speaker 1: himself in America, got his his freedom after indentured servitude, 957 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,839 Speaker 1: and then found a different indentured servant, John Casser, who 958 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: he basically sued to get full rights of this dude 959 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,320 Speaker 1: that like, for whatever reason, he was like this motherfucker, 960 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,120 Speaker 1: I gotta own him forever. And then the state allowed 961 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,560 Speaker 1: him to keep this dude, John Casser, forever, and then 962 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 1: he became the first technical slave owner in America. And 963 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,000 Speaker 1: this is one of the things I think that people 964 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 1: point to when they go it's a choice, because that 965 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,879 Speaker 1: nigga volunteered to be a slave owner and that other 966 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,240 Speaker 1: one allowed it to happen. I see two really fucked 967 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: up tracks. Again, it's always the same ship. So what 968 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,799 Speaker 1: are we doing now we're talking about this dude? Why? 969 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 1: Because they let him the first one, right, there's a 970 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 1: reason for that. They didn't just let anybody be the 971 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,880 Speaker 1: first one. Everything they do is strategic. So let's just 972 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: say that part. And then the other part that is 973 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 1: truly fucked up is that you don't know this man's experiences. 974 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,600 Speaker 1: But what I'm hearing is Christianity. I'm sorry, I'm gonna 975 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,760 Speaker 1: say that's how they justify put you in slavery. It's Christianity. 976 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,360 Speaker 1: So he lived his best Christian life as a slave. 977 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: He feels like, Okay, now that love has blessed me 978 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,520 Speaker 1: to own another motherfuck. Yeah, that's incredibly funked up. But again, 979 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: all of our problems they got us surrounded, baby, they 980 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 1: got us surrounded culturally, they got us surrounded financially. And 981 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,239 Speaker 1: so all I'm saying is, let's just find a way 982 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,400 Speaker 1: to find an oasis for just us. Yeah. I love that, 983 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,560 Speaker 1: and I do. The Christianity really hits home for me 984 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,359 Speaker 1: because I do think that even if you look at 985 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,279 Speaker 1: the principles of Christianity, it both tells you that like 986 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,719 Speaker 1: you can own a person depending on how you read 987 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,840 Speaker 1: the text. And I want to be careful when we 988 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 1: say this because I don't think that every interpretation of 989 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: the Bible tells you, like slaveries, tight, go ahead and 990 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: get you a slave. But there are interpretations of the 991 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,920 Speaker 1: Bible that do allow you to do that, but even 992 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 1: more effective in their writing, they go, if you are 993 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 1: a slave, don't kill nobody. That would be wrong to 994 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 1: fight did you can't murder nobody. It's like na nig 995 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: if I'm a slave, that that eighth commandment. I don't 996 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,719 Speaker 1: know which one it is. That eighth commandment is out 997 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,400 Speaker 1: the wind. I'm killing them of all authorities given to 998 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,680 Speaker 1: you by God or Christian. And you can tell me 999 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,799 Speaker 1: what you want to tell me. But I know there 1000 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: is parts of the Bible that tells you in law 1001 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,680 Speaker 1: and in Christian, Biblical, the vitical, whatever the funk law 1002 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,239 Speaker 1: that tells you how to treat your slaves. So how 1003 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 1: is it that it ain't it ain't sanctioned by it. 1004 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,400 Speaker 1: If they tell you how, if they gave you a 1005 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 1: handbook of how to treat them, yeah, don't make any sense. 1006 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,440 Speaker 1: And it is very strategic. It is a system that 1007 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,279 Speaker 1: they put the place, and it's a hundred percent of 1008 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 1: system that we will forever be fighting against because of 1009 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,400 Speaker 1: the the powers that be that control it fun your 1010 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,720 Speaker 1: head started that you can't get around you just get 1011 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,120 Speaker 1: God damn. Well, this is a sad ending to this break, 1012 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,400 Speaker 1: but this is how we're going out. I don't know. 1013 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 1: We'll be back with more Robert Hies and more, my 1014 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: mama told me, And we are bad people who were 1015 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,560 Speaker 1: enslavery wished that they have curbside service at Applebe's. Yeah, 1016 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,360 Speaker 1: we're back here with more Robbert Hies more, my mama 1017 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: told me. We're still talking about the possibility that slavery 1018 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,080 Speaker 1: was in fact a choice, that Kanye had it all right. 1019 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know that I feel good even saying that, 1020 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,880 Speaker 1: because there's gonna be one of you that pulls that 1021 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,920 Speaker 1: does a quote that somehow slices, splices this up and 1022 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: makes this Lakes and Kerman going, Kanye got it right. 1023 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,680 Speaker 1: Slavery was a choice, And I don't think that's what 1024 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,000 Speaker 1: we landed on, but we got We got a good 1025 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,399 Speaker 1: conversation out of it, for sure, and that ship will 1026 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: be on Fox News. God damn. And if that's how 1027 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,640 Speaker 1: I end up on Fox News, boy, oh boys, is 1028 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,840 Speaker 1: that not how I planned it. I thought I'd be 1029 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,560 Speaker 1: on their being mean to somebody, not not making Laura 1030 00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,719 Speaker 1: Ingram seem reasonable. You know what I mean? Even in 1031 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,239 Speaker 1: that baby, we still got the power to again you 1032 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,960 Speaker 1: you to do it, doesn't matter what they do. You 1033 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,880 Speaker 1: got no shields around you. We gotta We got the equipment, 1034 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,439 Speaker 1: I think is the way you've put it. We've got 1035 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,120 Speaker 1: the equipment to fight. If we learned how to to 1036 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 1: use that equipment. Absolutely, let's jump into this game. We 1037 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,560 Speaker 1: have a fun game plan for you. This is a 1038 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,120 Speaker 1: brand new game specific to this episode. It's called what 1039 00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,480 Speaker 1: you Say? Kanye? Can you believe that? You believe? We 1040 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,640 Speaker 1: don't have a jacuzzy? It's a brand new game that 1041 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,359 Speaker 1: that uh that I I came up with in which 1042 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 1: I am going to introduce to you other sort of 1043 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,800 Speaker 1: jarring quotes from Kanye West. Things that and jarring is 1044 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: a weighted word exciting quotes from Kanye West that I 1045 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,280 Speaker 1: would love for you to unpack and tell me what 1046 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,280 Speaker 1: you think he was trying to say with the thing 1047 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,960 Speaker 1: that he's saying. Sound good, Okay, let's go, I'm listening. 1048 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm ready. Hell, yes, let's start easy. This is a 1049 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 1: nice soft, easy curve, you know, easy lob that I'm 1050 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,360 Speaker 1: gonna throw your way. He said, I'm a pop enigma. 1051 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,000 Speaker 1: I live and breathe every element in life. I rock 1052 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,280 Speaker 1: a bespoke suit and I go to Heralds for fried chicken. 1053 00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,520 Speaker 1: It's all these things at once because as a tastemaker, 1054 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,919 Speaker 1: I find the best of everything. Yeah, I think that's 1055 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,120 Speaker 1: pretty self excellentory. I mean, like, dude, I'm y'all following 1056 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 1: the shift out of me. Everything I do, y'all making 1057 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,200 Speaker 1: a big deal about it. And that's because I could 1058 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,160 Speaker 1: do everything. I go have some chicken in the hood, 1059 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 1: although you probably have like a busload of security, but 1060 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 1: I go ahead and checking in the hood. I understand 1061 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,560 Speaker 1: the rhythm of that. And I also do this, that 1062 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,960 Speaker 1: and the other, because everything I do is correct. Okay, 1063 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,840 Speaker 1: So you when he says that, you're not thinking this 1064 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:21,080 Speaker 1: sounds like a crazy person ranting about themselves. You're thinking, no, 1065 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,760 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's a reasonable guy talking about his contributions. 1066 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,920 Speaker 1: Many of us know what it's like to have that 1067 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,960 Speaker 1: much money. Oh I do not. I'll go on records 1068 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,360 Speaker 1: saying I don't at all, just like we know, just 1069 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,360 Speaker 1: like we know. If you you're giving people too much 1070 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 1: negativity on all four sides, what if somebody everything you 1071 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: ever said they agree with you. That's why you need 1072 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,520 Speaker 1: homeboys who are who always be able to put you 1073 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 1: in the guardrails. That's why you need people around you 1074 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,160 Speaker 1: you could trust to tell you, Like now, Nick, you 1075 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,040 Speaker 1: took that a little too far. You see what I'm saying. 1076 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,200 Speaker 1: That's where And so when you're a billionaire in capitalism, 1077 00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,440 Speaker 1: who's gonna tell you that you think you can buy 1078 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,480 Speaker 1: three or father Nick and tell you how great you are? Right? 1079 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,560 Speaker 1: I got you? Okay. So this is less of us 1080 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 1: looking at it as Kanye specific and more of us 1081 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,400 Speaker 1: spreading it out to everybody that we should all see 1082 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,720 Speaker 1: ourselves with this sort of like exceptionalism of being all 1083 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,120 Speaker 1: the things that once and not just being like Kanye's 1084 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: dope and only Kanye. That's yes, that's that's the whole 1085 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,479 Speaker 1: thing from the beginning. And I feel particularly that way, 1086 00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,840 Speaker 1: and I'm again I feel that way about substance. I 1087 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,480 Speaker 1: remember when I started doing Connie, I used to hear 1088 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 1: brothers talk about how great women are on stage. I'll 1089 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,800 Speaker 1: be like, man, y'all just trying to fuck. But these 1090 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,880 Speaker 1: dudes was older than me. You did what I'm saying, 1091 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,320 Speaker 1: These dudes is older than me. This this is older 1092 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,840 Speaker 1: than me, and they had been around them for years. 1093 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,760 Speaker 1: I had just started being a man and started liking 1094 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,280 Speaker 1: the ship that they do. At the lesser level, I 1095 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,720 Speaker 1: hadn't been with a woman for twenty years and understand 1096 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,160 Speaker 1: every bit of what you do, what you do and 1097 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,520 Speaker 1: and and other women in your community. You've learned why 1098 00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,400 Speaker 1: they do what they do. You did what I'm saying, 1099 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,960 Speaker 1: and it I see. It's perfection and the decisions that 1100 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,440 Speaker 1: they make based on the decision that they have in 1101 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,520 Speaker 1: front of them. So I got a specific kind of 1102 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,280 Speaker 1: love for black women. I'm saying, I don't give a 1103 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 1: ship what you look like when you wake up, you 1104 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,760 Speaker 1: still look good to me because you look better than 1105 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,360 Speaker 1: anything else out there that I could effort choose. Hell yeah, okay, 1106 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,240 Speaker 1: let's do it different. Quote. Oh man, I'm getting love 1107 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,880 Speaker 1: with it. Okay, here's a fun one. He says on 1108 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,560 Speaker 1: one of them. I am God's vessel. But my greatest 1109 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 1: pain in life is that will never be able to 1110 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:39,280 Speaker 1: see myself perform live. That's just amazingly funked up and funny. 1111 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:45,600 Speaker 1: But I see why again, man, Okay, being in a nightclub, 1112 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,120 Speaker 1: having a bunch of people most of the nightclubs I 1113 01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,440 Speaker 1: work in about people can fit in it. Being in 1114 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,560 Speaker 1: a nightclub that is sold out and you are the 1115 01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,600 Speaker 1: attraction gives you a whole different perspective on what your 1116 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,280 Speaker 1: life work is because when you're on that stage, by God, 1117 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,919 Speaker 1: you are the leader of the group. No matter how 1118 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,080 Speaker 1: you see yourself, that's what you are. That's the reality. 1119 01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,720 Speaker 1: And so think about what it would be like if 1120 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,520 Speaker 1: you could feel soldier, feel right, I would like to 1121 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,800 Speaker 1: see what you motherfuck' see, but in the live position 1122 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,840 Speaker 1: of seeing Okay, so that all these people who are 1123 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 1: just uh who you know? You and I we we 1124 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,760 Speaker 1: go and we do a night, we do a stand 1125 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: up spot, and we if I if I have a 1126 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,040 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people in there and it's packed to 1127 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,640 Speaker 1: the brand, I'm like, damn, this was a great night. 1128 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm on a level. I'm on a high that is 1129 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,440 Speaker 1: hard to replicate. Some nights, right that the next day 1130 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,600 Speaker 1: when you ain't performing, you wish that you could go 1131 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,600 Speaker 1: back to that feeling. You're saying that if you can 1132 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,240 Speaker 1: fill an entire football stadium of people and get that 1133 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,640 Speaker 1: level of high, there has to be a part of 1134 01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,640 Speaker 1: you that's like, God, damn, I would love to see 1135 01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,760 Speaker 1: this show and I never will exactly again, man is 1136 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,960 Speaker 1: a dude. It makes sense to me I'm saying, when 1137 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you're making him a much more reasonable 1138 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,760 Speaker 1: man than I think, uh, than most people want him 1139 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,960 Speaker 1: to be. Just said, like I see him as what 1140 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,880 Speaker 1: this dude is brilliant. Like he may be weird, but 1141 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,440 Speaker 1: everything has a cost. So what you're experiencing in the cost, 1142 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,919 Speaker 1: it's his weirdness. All right, Let's let's get into one 1143 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,160 Speaker 1: that I think, uh similarly launched a fair amount of controversy. 1144 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,920 Speaker 1: This came out of his presidential run of where he 1145 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 1: said basically had a I guess a conference he was 1146 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,880 Speaker 1: holding some sort of it might have been his presidential announcement, 1147 01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,880 Speaker 1: but he basically said that Harriet Tubman never actually freed 1148 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: the slaves, she just had them work for other white people. Uh. 1149 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,040 Speaker 1: I love a deep breath after after a Kanye quote. 1150 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,280 Speaker 1: Go for it there. You got a lot of ship 1151 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,200 Speaker 1: going on in that quote because there's some truth in it, 1152 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,240 Speaker 1: but that truth discounts a lot of humanity that needs 1153 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,680 Speaker 1: to be acknowledged. Okay, So like when you know it's 1154 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,320 Speaker 1: a lot of brothers out here, be like I ain't 1155 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,919 Speaker 1: gonna vote voting. I refused to vote what I'm gonna 1156 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,040 Speaker 1: get from. And honestly, they probably tell them the truth 1157 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,240 Speaker 1: because every time we vote, every time you do, ship 1158 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,520 Speaker 1: don't not never change. But I'm not fin a discount 1159 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,640 Speaker 1: the energy of those people who have decided to fight 1160 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,120 Speaker 1: on that front and not and not give them the 1161 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,960 Speaker 1: energy that I could give them. Right, So when you 1162 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,240 Speaker 1: tell me Harriet Tubman didn't do whatever, now you're telling 1163 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,480 Speaker 1: me that Harriet Tubman is energy and all her efforts 1164 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,320 Speaker 1: didn't mean ship. And for me, I can't. I can't 1165 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,160 Speaker 1: acknowledge that. You can't tell me that Stacy Abraham Abraham's 1166 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,960 Speaker 1: ain't ain't one of the coldest motherfucker's on the planet. 1167 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,080 Speaker 1: You can't convince me of that, even if I think 1168 01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 1: she's fighting in the cause that I ain't interested to 1169 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,959 Speaker 1: put my energy in. You see what I'm saying you 1170 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,959 Speaker 1: you cannot discount other people's experience. So at its core, 1171 01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,959 Speaker 1: the ship is super flawed. But honestly, if you leave 1172 01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,040 Speaker 1: slavery from that's the whole point of the Civil War. 1173 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,240 Speaker 1: It was not about anything that's algiistic on that ship. 1174 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,400 Speaker 1: They wasn't about freedom and none of that ship. It 1175 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,680 Speaker 1: was about getting that nuclear bomb they're using down in 1176 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,240 Speaker 1: the South. At one point, black people were worth more 1177 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:22,480 Speaker 1: than every fucking bank in America. Slaves were more more 1178 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,320 Speaker 1: than because they needed that labor. We're about to go 1179 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,080 Speaker 1: into some ship that they planned the Industrial Revolution. Now 1180 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,040 Speaker 1: what you're gonna do? Who the best motherfucker's who've been working, 1181 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:36,280 Speaker 1: who've been building ship? They entire goddamn life. I need 1182 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,600 Speaker 1: some of that money. I need some of that labor. 1183 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,800 Speaker 1: So let's set them free. It ain't never been about you. 1184 01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,800 Speaker 1: It's always been about them, sure, them and the money 1185 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,760 Speaker 1: that they can sort of like pull from from this conversation. Okay, 1186 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,080 Speaker 1: I see what you're doing. So if nothing else, Kanye 1187 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,120 Speaker 1: is being insightful but also cruel and shortsighted to the 1188 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,400 Speaker 1: people in history that it least did their best to 1189 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,320 Speaker 1: offer us some version of what and why does he 1190 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,320 Speaker 1: do that? Here's why you do that because look a 1191 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:12,040 Speaker 1: here around Yeah, oh he's around the devil, that's for certain. 1192 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,960 Speaker 1: What else is he supposed to think? I'll hurt you 1193 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 1: with one more and then we're going to get out 1194 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,360 Speaker 1: of here. My The last one that I think is 1195 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,040 Speaker 1: is a really fun one. To walk away from, especially 1196 01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,000 Speaker 1: giving all the things that we've talked about. He says, 1197 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,720 Speaker 1: bad taste is vulgar, the world as a whole is 1198 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,960 Speaker 1: fucking ugly, and the internet too. But I'm not in 1199 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,440 Speaker 1: the construction business. I don't understand that first part bad 1200 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,800 Speaker 1: vulgar because now you've given facts to opinion, so that 1201 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,640 Speaker 1: don't really make sense to me and my logic. Um, 1202 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,760 Speaker 1: So that ship, I, you know, I don't know what 1203 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,160 Speaker 1: the fun you're talking about right there? The last part. 1204 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,439 Speaker 1: Can we hear that again? What's that last part? He says? 1205 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,080 Speaker 1: The world as a whole is fucking ugly and the 1206 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,920 Speaker 1: internet too, but I'm not in the construction business. That 1207 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,840 Speaker 1: makes all sense in the world. Me. I'm serious, that 1208 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,080 Speaker 1: makes all sense in the world. Me did all this 1209 01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,960 Speaker 1: ship is fucked up, But I can't save everybody you did. 1210 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm a capitalist right now. I'm doing what capitalism calls 1211 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,400 Speaker 1: me to do. I can make some more money if 1212 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? What what what is it 1213 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,080 Speaker 1: that you expect the person that does what they do 1214 01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,080 Speaker 1: to do? He did. I say, like, this is not 1215 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,960 Speaker 1: My fight is not civil rights. My fight is money. Okay, 1216 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,080 Speaker 1: if that's what you are but then my my call 1217 01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,160 Speaker 1: back to that would be, what do you do with 1218 01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,959 Speaker 1: the money now you have? Sure? So yeah, it's still 1219 01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,200 Speaker 1: it's still kind of points back to a bit of selfishness. Now, 1220 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,120 Speaker 1: I ain't telling nobody how to spend a money because 1221 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,640 Speaker 1: I ain't never had none. I don't know how I feel, 1222 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know how I feel if i'd be 1223 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:44,840 Speaker 1: sitting in the room, but I like to think that 1224 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,520 Speaker 1: I would be like, Okay, how can I get this 1225 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,360 Speaker 1: money to as many people as I can't get it to? 1226 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,880 Speaker 1: Or how how can I get the money to make 1227 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:56,160 Speaker 1: you money? What type of infrastructure I could build so 1228 01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,640 Speaker 1: that we all could getting paid? And I'm telling man, 1229 01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,919 Speaker 1: that's what I love about Chicago, MD seen right now 1230 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,760 Speaker 1: is that there has been an amazing amount of people 1231 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,960 Speaker 1: being integrated into the scene that we're not welcome before. 1232 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,640 Speaker 1: Right that that it's it truly is a community and 1233 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:17,240 Speaker 1: not just a hierarchy of like people who are winning 1234 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,440 Speaker 1: and people who are losing. Absolutely absolutely, I love that 1235 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,720 Speaker 1: all right, Well, Robert, I think we did it. I 1236 01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,640 Speaker 1: think we we nailed it. I don't know this was fun. 1237 01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Could you tell the people at home where they can 1238 01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,280 Speaker 1: find you and what cool stuff you have going on. Yes, 1239 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,360 Speaker 1: please allow me that moment. I have a comedy special 1240 01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,600 Speaker 1: that is a comedy version of everything that I just 1241 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:41,360 Speaker 1: said to you, and it's called Lockdown Detroit. Please go 1242 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,280 Speaker 1: on YouTube and check it out. I want y'all to 1243 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,720 Speaker 1: get your eyeballs on it and then share with somebody else. Also, 1244 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,640 Speaker 1: I got a podcast of my own that's Friday for 1245 01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,280 Speaker 1: p M. Is because mothers never own time, but because 1246 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,960 Speaker 1: you know we're black, that's what we do. I'm always 1247 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,280 Speaker 1: on the times, you know, that's that's you know, I've 1248 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,440 Speaker 1: fallen into that type of captivity through my la for me, 1249 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,040 Speaker 1: the white man got your trap. Now you show up 1250 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,280 Speaker 1: on time. But they are in the In the name 1251 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,160 Speaker 1: of the podcast is called The New O g S. 1252 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,200 Speaker 1: And uh it's myself, Bobby Hill and Xavier the Mind 1253 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,800 Speaker 1: and we're on the people of Comedy Network. Check me 1254 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,360 Speaker 1: out on TikTok and every social media all of it. 1255 01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,639 Speaker 1: And also do I made a new character. His name 1256 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,479 Speaker 1: is Moby Combs and uh it's called the New Video, 1257 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,679 Speaker 1: the New Toby Jones esque. The video it's called Moby Combs, 1258 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:35,000 Speaker 1: Cold as Cryotappy and Cryptocurrency Advisory dot Com. Please check 1259 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,840 Speaker 1: out my soak my YouTube page Robert del HAIs dot com. 1260 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna put commercials up on there. If you share 1261 01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,240 Speaker 1: these commercials to the few friends you have, I share 1262 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:44,720 Speaker 1: them to the friends that I have. We can make 1263 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,519 Speaker 1: it go viral. And I'm saying, let's just start making 1264 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,080 Speaker 1: some money and capitalists. Hell yeah, so do all that 1265 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,840 Speaker 1: ship follow Robert on all those platforms. Support the work. 1266 01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,800 Speaker 1: Moby combs. Come on, you gotta do something with that. 1267 01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,719 Speaker 1: Go look at the YouTube's and and watching special Lockdown Detroit. 1268 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,000 Speaker 1: And as always, you can follow me at Langston Kerman 1269 01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,400 Speaker 1: and please send us drops at my mama pod at 1270 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,880 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. I want to hear from you. I 1271 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,240 Speaker 1: want to. I want to hear your dumb ass thoughts 1272 01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,040 Speaker 1: so I can make fun of them on the many episodes. 1273 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:20,719 Speaker 1: And uh, lastly, like and subscribe. Do the thing all right? Bye, bitch, 1274 01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:39,680 Speaker 1: crop chips in your hands. Qualis are racists mostly money 1275 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,240 Speaker 1: stuff I can't tell me.