WEBVTT - Dread Anxiety 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.960 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:14.600 Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.240 My name is Robert Law and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie, 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.400 you dread anything, see anything in your life that you 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:27.400 just truly, opinically dread on a sort of permanent basis, Yeah, 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.600 like in a day in, day out kind of a thing, 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.000 or even in a on on a very short term scale, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.879 like are you dreading our move from the fifteenth floor 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:40.600 to the eleventh? Now? I celebrate it a new beginning. Yeah, yeah, 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.319 I'm positive way to look at but yeah, I think 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:44.400 you just you know, we're gonna release ourselves from the 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.639 shackles of the past whatever that means. No, for me, 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.160 it's more I don't I don't dread that. It's more 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.080 like I'll have these sort of clouds of existential dread 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.440 every once in a while, meaning that it could be 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.560 the most beautiful day with this clear blue sky, everything 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.560 could be going right, but somewhere in the world I 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:08.199 feel like, you know, there's this general unease about something 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.400 not going well, possibly in the future. So for me, 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.920 it's not usually a defined dread. What about you, um 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.119 dread well? Yes, we so we discussed in paper tigers. Uh. 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:24.039 It's it's easy to begin to have these these fight 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.840 or flight fears about things that have have have have 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.800 no power to really harmss. Like when I was going 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.319 through a lot of a lot of paperwork for adoption 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.720 or or every year with taxes, I get that sense 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.480 of dread, you know, like I've got to I've got 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.120 to do this paperwork and it's gonna be dreadful on 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.520 some level, and I feel like it's a physical threat 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.040 to me. But but of course it isn't. And if 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.520 I stopped to analyze it enough, I realized, no, this 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.320 is not necessarily life for death. Yeah. But I was 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.840 thinking about this that we have been trained, at least 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:58.120 here in the United States, UM, in various ways to 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.800 dread something off will happening to you. And it begins 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.680 very you know, at a young age. We're taught to 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.200 anticipate these various tragedies, whether or not it's a hurricane 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:13.200 or tornado or some other sort of natural disaster. Uh. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.720 And you know how about the whole like stop, drop 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.280 and roll, um, all the sorts of alarms and emergency 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.960 uh routines that we go through and that's good because 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.480 it helps to prepare you need you need to be prepared, 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.840 and so we'll have very real life examples of that 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.120 where if there's a fire, you stop dropping roll. And 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.520 then we have uh, you know, in our fairy tales 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:35.800 and the stories we tell each on the fictions, I 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.280 mean by the very nature that you need the narrative 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.320 to be engaging. It's fiction, it's storytelling. You need there 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.720 to be a threat. You need something to happen that 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.240 is bad so that the characters can navigate through it, 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.200 around it, or what have you. So people wander into 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.560 the woods and they're abducted by witches and which is 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.120 trying to cook them. Things of that nature happened, as 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.920 it means to try and remind children, hey, don't go 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.800 walking into candy houses just because they're made out of candy. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.200 You might wind up being eaten by a cannibal woman, right. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.240 Stranger danger really what we're talking about. So you do 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.160 have to create this database of dangers in order to 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.480 better survive. But then you have sort of this minutia 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.040 of minor threats or perceived threats or just stand ins 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.640 for threats that aren't really dangerous, but they begin to 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:25.160 take over in your imagination more real pressing threats. And 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.119 that's where this idea of dread anxiety and in some 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.079 ways just generalized anxiety disorders take over. Stranger danger is 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:34.920 a great example of that because on one, on a 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:39.240 very basic level, yes, there's their children need to be 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.080 on guard, they need to stay around their parents, and 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.520 there are individuals out there who will harm them. It's 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.760 just you know, statistically they exist. However, if you go 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.240 overboard and you start thinking that every stranger is a danger, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.720 if you start, even as a culture began to just 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.000 go on like a NonStop witch hunt of potential people 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.800 who are a danger to children, then you get into 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.840 an entirely weird and problematic area. Well, let me layer 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.240 one more thing over that. Then you begin to read 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.880 things like it shouldn't be a stranger that you're concerned about, 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.000 because the majority of abductions take place by people that 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.120 you actually know, and so you have to sort of 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:21.200 reframe that conversation with your child. So what the point 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.800 is is that there's all there's all these sort of 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.479 real and perceived threats such as pile up one on 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.640 top of the other. Whereas humans, particularly in the day 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.240 and age that we live in. When there's so much 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.640 data in front of us, you have to sort through 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:35.599 it and try to figure out what you truly should 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.799 be anxious about. And sometimes the you know, the wiring 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.719 gets crossed, yeah, which makes us to something called general 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.599 anxiety disorder or or GAD or or as I like 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:49.720 to read it, God. And so general anxiety disorder is severe, 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.719 ongoing anxiety that interferes with your day to day activities. Uh. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.120 And we're talking about symptoms such as panic disorder, ob 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.800 sensive compulsive disorder, other types of anxiety that kind of 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.799 get uh sucked into the fold, and they're they're varying 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.839 at different levels of this condition. Yeah, And it's generally 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:11.280 involves thoughts of uncontrollability and unpredictability of upcoming personally selling 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.360 an events or shifting attention, of our inability to cope, 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.880 memory of negative aspects of certain events, and negative emotion. 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:22.560 And people with this disorder they can't relax, They startle easily, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.559 and they have difficulty concentrating, and a lot of times 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.000 they have a hard time falling asleep and staying asleep. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.040 And the National Institute of Mental Health says that the 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:35.679 physical Symptoms that accompany this include, of course, fatigue, headaches, 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:41.720 muscle tension, muscle aches, difficulty swallowing, trembling, twitching, irritabilities, wedding, nausea, lightheadedness, 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.640 and having to go to the bathroom frequently. I thought 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.960 was interesting. Now now luckily it's it's very treatable for 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.920 the most part via medications and and or therapy, so 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.880 it's not not necessarily a permanent life condition. But it's 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.800 it's again, it's it's like you say, it's these these 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.640 in xieties build up in our lives. Um. I like 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.240 to think of like a cave with stalactites and stalacmites 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.560 forming until eventually they're just all the sharpened cave to 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.360 teeth everywhere and uh, and they can be cleared out, 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.320 but you've got to sort of stop and have some 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.839 sort of level of self awareness either come out of 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.839 you or or have it imposed upon you, to realize 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.120 what's real and what's not well. And I think the 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.360 reasons why they can, even if you brush them away, 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.280 they they continue to build back up is because at 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.880 the very heart of this is this this knowledge that 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.120 one day we will all die, right, this is so 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.480 you know, every last one of us. So this is 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.240 that sort of I always think about it as this 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:47.080 um sort of double edged blade of consciousness, you know, 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.960 like it's great that you're conscious, were humans are conscious, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:51.640 and we can enjoy so many different things. At the 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.320 same time we realize that, you know, our time um 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.720 in our physical bodies is going to come to a close, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.960 right yeah, and that you know, there's a very good 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.880 chance that the last few chapters of that book might 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.200 be a little less happy the middle one, right, and 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.640 everything beyond that is the great unknown. So it's sort 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.680 of you know, that's that's a lot for a brain, 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.480 a conscious brain, to sort of taking, even if you 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.920 pick it apart, which I sometimes do, and you know, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:24.040 I remind myself, well, death everybody does it. Everybody's every 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.320 everybody's doing it, and look at some of the people 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.080 who do it. It couldn't there couldn't be that much 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.640 to it, right, But on one hand you can sort 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.680 of this man like that, But then you remind yourself 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:37.080 exactly what it entails, not just a mirror cutting off 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.800 of life, but a well in some cases it's that, 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.040 but but in other cases a decline of life and 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.640 a decline of the quality of life that terminates in 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.920 this of this well, I was thinking about probably one 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.240 of the best films that deals with this topic, and 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.720 for me, it's a serious man five the Coen Brothers. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.000 It is. It's probably a little bit leaker than some 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:05.240 of their films that it's definitely it's it's probably one 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.680 of the Cohen Brothers films. It's easier to overlook. And 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.120 just in case you know you're listening and you don't 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.240 know or have a context of this film, Um, it 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.760 is kind of a slow mo existential train wreck of 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.160 this character's life. His name is Larry Gopnick, and it 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.080 gets a clean bill of health. This is how the 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.520 movie starts out with and then everything just kind of 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:29.800 falls apart from there, and um, every relationship in his 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.240 life falls apart, which is again this sort of dread 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.880 that we all have, like are we tending to this person? 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.640 Is this happening? Is this is the machine still moving 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:42.320 along in the ways that it's supposed to, And for 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.640 Larry Gopnick, it doesn't. It begins to fall apart, and 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.360 he even begins to receive angry calls from a Columbia 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.320 record club debt collector, which I think is really brilliant 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.960 because if you've ever been plagued by anxiety, then you 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:59.000 know that these minor infringements from your past are things 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:00.599 that bubble to the surf us every once in a 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.800 while that you worry about. So this, you know, past 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.959 record club collection calling him and nagging him is a 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.200 nice stand in for that. Yeah. I mean, like we've 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.360 discussed the power of closing loops in your life and 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.480 how an unclosed loop is instantly at least a pinpoint 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.280 of anxiety in your in your mind. And so that's 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.560 a great example because the Columbia Records is not going 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.240 to come and break your thumbs, you know, maybe, well 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.560 it depends, it depends which Columbia Records, if they're actually 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:33.000 based out of Columbia, I don't know, but but but yeah, 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.880 it's totally a paper tiger. It's totally a closed loop, 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.120 I mean, an unclosed loop anxiety working on this character. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:41.959 I'm glad you brought up the loop thing because that's 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.920 something that what we can talk about later in terms 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:48.479 of trying to um, you know, keep this anxiety disorder 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.520 in check. But I think we should talk about how 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:56.000 America is a very anxious country. It turns out and 0:09:56.040 --> 0:10:00.280 that Americans really suffer from anxiety disorders more of than 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.120 any other culture in the world. Yeah, because you think 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.120 about what what sort of has become the I don't 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.160 know about the predominant, but a but a very common 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.440 American story. Uh. And I imagine you have this as 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.840 well as I. What happened in your life At one point, 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.160 you moved away from your parents house? Where do you move? 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.600 You moved to the big city where you're surrounded by people, 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.000 but you're less close to any of the people around you. 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.600 You know, you you, you know, you you have maybe 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.199 your your your spouse and or your child with you. 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.320 But then you increasingly you have all this social media 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.800 creeping into your life and this becomes the means by 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.600 which you connect to other people. And uh and and 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.920 then meanwhile this uh, the families be moved away from 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:39.720 They may be across the country, they may be on 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.120 you know, in some cases, they may be on the 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.360 other side of the globe. And so we're more and 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.600 more distant from people and uh and we're more cut off. Yeah, 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.720 that's true. And uh. I just wanted to point out 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.439 that according to the World Health Organization, that the United 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.800 States has something like a nearly a third of the 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:01.120 Americans UH suffering from anxiety problem albums in their lifetime, 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.360 So a third of Americans will suffer in their lifetime. 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.160 And the National Institute of National Health says that in 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.719 any given year, ninetent of the population suffers from anxiety. 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.920 Between nineteen and two thousand and four, Americans more than 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:18.680 doubled their spending on anti anxiety medications like sanics and value, 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.760 so that industry went from nine hundred million to two 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:25.280 point one billions. So what we're seeing here is this 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.080 idea that our anxiety has not just always been an 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.520 American thing, but it tends to uh or we tend 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.520 to see an increase in it over the last couple 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:38.320 of decades. So, as you had mentioned, you know, there 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.120 are a couple of factors to them. One is just 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.080 sort of chasing that job around various different parts of 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.559 the country and resettling and losing some of the connections 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.640 to your family and friends. And some of that is 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.400 um that you have an increased amount of data and information, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.440 but it's more in the way that it's presented. And 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.839 I was thinking about this because uh, I've been rowing 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.280 at the gym a lot lately, and this I find 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.959 to be a very zen activity. It's great, But then 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.400 I'll look up at the TV and at the ticker 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.520 at the bottom of the news program will have some 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:16.320 sort of horrible thing about some child, some something just 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.559 unimaginable happening to the child, just running over and over 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:23.600 again and so again it. You know, the way that 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.680 this information is presented and consumed by us sort of 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.079 adds to that feeling, because here I am feeling like 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.440 I'm imagining myself on a on a lake rowing and 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.880 now now I'm thinking about a dead child. Yeah. I've 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:37.880 never understood the need to have that kind of ticker 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.240 going on in places like a gym, where shouldn't the 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.360 focus be on getting out of my head and getting 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.000 into my body? Like why am I watching this horrible news? 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.560 Or I've seen the same TV sets blaring over jacuzzis 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.320 uh and or within earshot of a sauna like why 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.400 why why they're oh? And then of course the big 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.880 one is airports. You know, Like, I'm very much of 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.000 the mindset that we need to have we if the 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:05.760 TVs are on, okay, have the TV is on to 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.880 distract people, but have it tuned into kittens and puppies playing. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.520 Have the for the audio, just have it be Brian 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.280 ENO's music for airports. We don't need to watch ticker 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.439 tape about um, you know, child murders, train rex plane 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.600 crashes and what have you. It just seems like like 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.880 like why continue to sprinkle that kind of horrible topic. Well, 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.520 it is inescapable and um, as Taylor Clark in the 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.400 article It's not the job Market from Slant Magazine says, UM, 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.199 a lot of this is reported in a fear based fashion, 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:40.120 so it's not balanced in the sense that, um, you know, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.439 the good natured stories tend to hit the news, it's 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.480 usually the ones that are bleeding and awful attention. Part 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:48.959 of that is the virtue of the twenty four hour 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.800 news cycle. You gotta you gotta find something, you gotta 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:53.160 put it up there, and then you gotta milk it 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.640 for everything it's worth. Now, Taylor does say that UM 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:01.600 compounding this is an intolerance for negative feelings. So Taylor says, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.400 we reject situations that could make us feel discomfort. We 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.520 try to bury or reverse our feelings through shopping, alcohol 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.880 or drug use, or entertainment and psychologist Stephen Hayes who 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:17.559 uses an acceptance and commitment therapy rather than drug therapy, 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.880 or maybe he uses an in conjunction. Said Americans are 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.560 victims of feel goodism, the false idea that bad feelings 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.960 ought to be annihilated, controlled, or erased by a pill. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.200 So some of this is that idea of this pursuit 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:33.040 of happiness, right, Like, we're all entitled to be happy, 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.520 and if we're not happy at this very moment, something 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:40.040 is wrong and not feeling settled without discomfort that everybody feels. Yeah, 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:41.800 well it comes it comes back to the end of 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.960 the idea of balance in one's life, you know that, 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.840 and to to get you know, to to dip my 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.760 toes in a little of Buddhism here for a second. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.000 You know, it's the idea that it's from the from 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.040 the human realm. It's from this, this realm of peace 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.600 that one is able to ascend above that cycle of suffering. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.600 It's not from an extreme of pain and worry. It's 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.760 not from extreme of happiness and pleasure, Like those are 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.480 both kind of not really dead ends, but those are 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.840 not the extremes from which liberation life you have. If 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.760 it's it's through this middle ground and an understanding that 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.000 those are extremes that when I'm happy and when I'm 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.040 when I'm having just an awesome time, that cannot be 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.680 the norm. You know, not sustainable, and if you try 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.240 to sustain it, it's like stretching a rubber band. You're 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.600 going to crash down to the other end of the hallway. Now, 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:33.000 there there are some other factors. According to Red Curves 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.440 University researcher. To this Seabear, poor mothers are more likely 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.240 to be classified as having the mental illness of anxiety 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:43.680 disorder or generalized anxiety is disorder because they live in poverty, 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.560 not because they're suffering from a psychiatric disorder. And so 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.960 that's where some of this area gets, you know, a 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:51.760 little bit gray, because there are some people who are 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:57.120 priest predisposed genetically to have anxiety disorders UM. And then 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.400 sometimes it's just the environmental factors that are pressed upon you. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.480 And it was nature and nurture, both environment and genetics 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.480 playing a role here. Yeah, And what I thought was 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.480 interesting about this is we already talked about how UM 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.520 in the United States in particular, migrating from one airing 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.280 to another is pretty typical, and so we don't usually 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:19.640 have the support systems of our families or our communities. Um, 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.680 I mean some of us do. Some some people have 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.920 lived for you know, their families have lived for generations 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.400 in one area. And some people, you know, like in 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.960 Atlanta for instances, is the great transient city, have lived 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.040 here for only five years, and so they're still putting 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.240 their roots down. But if you have had a huge 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.600 economic loss in your life, and you are a single mother, 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.320 then it would make sense that you begin to have 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.480 these sort of anxieties creeping in at all times because 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:48.000 one of the basic bedrocks of your existence, um, your 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:53.760 access to healthcare, food is jeopardized. I was thinking about 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.440 this a lot when I was Me and my wife 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.240 were recently in China to adopt our son, the because 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.080 you know, over there, we had had a really good guide, 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.399 uh in in in the city of Nanning, and her 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.480 name was Jane, and she was taking a song should 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.520 point out things about the culture while we were there, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.080 and she pointed out, you'll see a lot of grandparents 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.480 with the children during the day because you know, it's 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.720 very family wise, very conservative culture and uh and so 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:24.000 the grandparents will live with with the with the with 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:25.960 the family and then they'll look after the kid during 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.120 the day while the mom and dad work. And it's 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.800 so at the same time, I'm you know, we're thinking, oh, well, 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.119 here we are alone, you know, in this cult in 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.080 this country, and we're about to to to get our son, 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.959 and then that our grandparents units are on the other 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.359 side of the world. You know, we positioned the center 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.880 of the earth between us and them, and even when 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.119 we return home, those those grandparents are still in uh 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.840 in cities that are you know, four or seven hours away. 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.480 Well see, and that's some really interesting is that's a discrepancy. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.679 That's that's the reason why in some third world countries 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:00.160 you don't see these anxiety disorders being as prevalent as 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:04.040 in the United States. Um, even though the conditions you know, 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.479 in the access to food and healthcare could could be 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.760 far worse than in the United States, because they have 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.760 supports them in place. All Right, we're gonna take a 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.920 quick breaking when we come back, we will discuss tail 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:23.840 and all and anxiety. All right, we're back and we're 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.800 about to to lay on some information on you guys 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:31.200 about ten at all about emotional pain and David Lynch, Yes, 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.680 this is in case you were wondering, is there a 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:41.560 study out there that involves let's see dental procedures, prostitutes, um, 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:46.520 the Fear of death, and David Lynch's rabbits. Well, yes 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.160 there is, Yes, we have that study for you. First though, 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.320 I wanted to mention that we have talked about emotional 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:59.320 pain and physical pain being processed basically by the same circuitry, 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.800 and UM. That was fascinating to me because it turns 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:08.240 out that, um, they're so closely related that if someone 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:13.520 say hurts your feelings or there's some other emotional pain 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:18.000 that you have, it literally does hurt you in that way. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.800 I mean you're not presumably you're not sitting there feeling 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.399 as though daggers are in your skin, but there's but 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.679 that's the sort of looney Tunes vision of it. It's 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.960 like they stabbed me in the back with that statement. 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.480 That was like, yes, your pures my heart when you 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.919 said that, your brain is taking that as a threat. 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.639 And um, this was particularly pointnant when we were talking 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.840 about the teenage brain and why when when you're a 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:46.320 teenager and if you're if you feel like you're shunned, 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.880 it feels like the end of the world and it's 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.040 not because a teen is being dramatic. It just turns 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.240 out that that part of their brain is more amped 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.880 up and they're getting many more signals from their brain 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.640 that they are they're threatened because it's it's very much 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.320 about attach yourself to a group, find your place, because 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.479 that survival. Even though that model doesn't necessarily make as 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.760 much sense uh in a modern sense and a very 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.479 an organism level sense, it works. It does right, And 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.800 researchers are really looking at this whole physical pain and 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.760 social pain and looking at some of the same chemicals 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.640 and neural processes that they share. And so these conditions 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.280 really are kind of two sides of the same coin here, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.840 And so they have struck on this idea of tile 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.200 a all not so much like, hey, let's use talent 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.280 all to to really dial down any sort of anxiety, 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.879 dread or emotional pain, but more in the sense of 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.640 let's look at tilen al and see how it's working 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:48.120 in conjunction with emotional It's more about, let's by giving 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.600 talent the subjects in this experiment, we're able to highlight 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:57.639 the connectedness between physical and emotional pain. So this do 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.600 we want to talk about this study. We do. All right, 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:05.880 So what do you do if you are Daniel Randall's 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.919 a doctoral students psychology at the University of British Columbia. Well, 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:10.639 what you do is you get a hundred twenty college 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.320 students and you randomly assigned them to take either a 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.440 thousand milligrams of a tail and all brand, a set 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.560 amenta thing or a po cibo you know, a sugar pill. Uh, 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.240 And that's the control group. And then one group of 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.960 participants you instruct to write to barrack paragraphs about what 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.560 would happen to their body if they die and how 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:31.720 they would feel about it. And then the others you 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:35.159 asked them to write about dental pain, which according to 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.840 the paper would not be unpleasant but likely wouldn't invoke 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.680