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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Law and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie,

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Speaker 1: you dread anything, see anything in your life that you

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Speaker 1: just truly, opinically dread on a sort of permanent basis, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like in a day in, day out kind of a thing,

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Speaker 1: or even in a on on a very short term scale,

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Speaker 1: like are you dreading our move from the fifteenth floor

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Speaker 1: to the eleventh? Now? I celebrate it a new beginning. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm positive way to look at but yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you just you know, we're gonna release ourselves from the

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Speaker 1: shackles of the past whatever that means. No, for me,

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Speaker 1: it's more I don't I don't dread that. It's more

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Speaker 1: like I'll have these sort of clouds of existential dread

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Speaker 1: every once in a while, meaning that it could be

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Speaker 1: the most beautiful day with this clear blue sky, everything

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Speaker 1: could be going right, but somewhere in the world I

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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, there's this general unease about something

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Speaker 1: not going well, possibly in the future. So for me,

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Speaker 1: it's not usually a defined dread. What about you, um

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Speaker 1: dread well? Yes, we so we discussed in paper tigers. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's it's easy to begin to have these these fight

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Speaker 1: or flight fears about things that have have have have

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Speaker 1: no power to really harmss. Like when I was going

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Speaker 1: through a lot of a lot of paperwork for adoption

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Speaker 1: or or every year with taxes, I get that sense

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Speaker 1: of dread, you know, like I've got to I've got

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Speaker 1: to do this paperwork and it's gonna be dreadful on

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Speaker 1: some level, and I feel like it's a physical threat

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Speaker 1: to me. But but of course it isn't. And if

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Speaker 1: I stopped to analyze it enough, I realized, no, this

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Speaker 1: is not necessarily life for death. Yeah. But I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about this that we have been trained, at least

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Speaker 1: here in the United States, UM, in various ways to

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Speaker 1: dread something off will happening to you. And it begins

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Speaker 1: very you know, at a young age. We're taught to

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Speaker 1: anticipate these various tragedies, whether or not it's a hurricane

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Speaker 1: or tornado or some other sort of natural disaster. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And you know how about the whole like stop, drop

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Speaker 1: and roll, um, all the sorts of alarms and emergency

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Speaker 1: uh routines that we go through and that's good because

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Speaker 1: it helps to prepare you need you need to be prepared,

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Speaker 1: and so we'll have very real life examples of that

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Speaker 1: where if there's a fire, you stop dropping roll. And

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Speaker 1: then we have uh, you know, in our fairy tales

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Speaker 1: and the stories we tell each on the fictions, I

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Speaker 1: mean by the very nature that you need the narrative

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Speaker 1: to be engaging. It's fiction, it's storytelling. You need there

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Speaker 1: to be a threat. You need something to happen that

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Speaker 1: is bad so that the characters can navigate through it,

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Speaker 1: around it, or what have you. So people wander into

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Speaker 1: the woods and they're abducted by witches and which is

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Speaker 1: trying to cook them. Things of that nature happened, as

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Speaker 1: it means to try and remind children, hey, don't go

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Speaker 1: walking into candy houses just because they're made out of candy.

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Speaker 1: You might wind up being eaten by a cannibal woman, right.

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Speaker 1: Stranger danger really what we're talking about. So you do

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Speaker 1: have to create this database of dangers in order to

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Speaker 1: better survive. But then you have sort of this minutia

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Speaker 1: of minor threats or perceived threats or just stand ins

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Speaker 1: for threats that aren't really dangerous, but they begin to

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Speaker 1: take over in your imagination more real pressing threats. And

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Speaker 1: that's where this idea of dread anxiety and in some

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Speaker 1: ways just generalized anxiety disorders take over. Stranger danger is

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Speaker 1: a great example of that because on one, on a

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Speaker 1: very basic level, yes, there's their children need to be

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Speaker 1: on guard, they need to stay around their parents, and

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Speaker 1: there are individuals out there who will harm them. It's

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Speaker 1: just you know, statistically they exist. However, if you go

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Speaker 1: overboard and you start thinking that every stranger is a danger,

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Speaker 1: if you start, even as a culture began to just

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Speaker 1: go on like a NonStop witch hunt of potential people

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Speaker 1: who are a danger to children, then you get into

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Speaker 1: an entirely weird and problematic area. Well, let me layer

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Speaker 1: one more thing over that. Then you begin to read

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Speaker 1: things like it shouldn't be a stranger that you're concerned about,

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Speaker 1: because the majority of abductions take place by people that

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Speaker 1: reframe that conversation with your child. So what the point

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Speaker 1: is is that there's all there's all these sort of

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Speaker 1: and age that we live in. When there's so much

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Speaker 1: ongoing anxiety that interferes with your day to day activities. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And we're talking about symptoms such as panic disorder, ob

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Speaker 1: sensive compulsive disorder, other types of anxiety that kind of

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Speaker 1: at different levels of this condition. Yeah, And it's generally

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Speaker 1: involves thoughts of uncontrollability and unpredictability of upcoming personally selling

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Speaker 1: an events or shifting attention, of our inability to cope,

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Speaker 1: memory of negative aspects of certain events, and negative emotion.

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Speaker 1: And people with this disorder they can't relax, They startle easily,

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Speaker 1: And the National Institute of Mental Health says that the

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Speaker 1: physical Symptoms that accompany this include, of course, fatigue, headaches,

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Speaker 1: was interesting. Now now luckily it's it's very treatable for

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Speaker 1: it's not not necessarily a permanent life condition. But it's

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Speaker 1: it's again, it's it's like you say, it's these these

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Speaker 1: in xieties build up in our lives. Um. I like

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Speaker 1: to think of like a cave with stalactites and stalacmites

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Speaker 1: but you've got to sort of stop and have some

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Speaker 1: the very heart of this is this this knowledge that

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Speaker 1: like it's great that you're conscious, were humans are conscious,

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Speaker 1: I remind myself, well, death everybody does it. Everybody's every

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Speaker 1: this of this well, I was thinking about probably one

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Speaker 1: of the best films that deals with this topic, and

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Speaker 1: for me, it's a serious man five the Coen Brothers.

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Speaker 1: know or have a context of this film, Um, it

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Speaker 1: a great example because the Columbia Records is not going

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Speaker 1: But then you increasingly you have all this social media

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Speaker 1: So a third of Americans will suffer in their lifetime.

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Speaker 1: right right. So what's interesting here is looking at the

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Speaker 1: way that Taile and all is affecting there their emotional response,

431
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Speaker 1: their their their anxiety level regarding physical pain in terms

432
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Speaker 1: of this dental um procedure that they're supposed to write about,

433
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: in terms of the notion of inevitable physical death, and

434
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: also their possible empathy for this, uh, this prostitute, this

435
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: hypothetical prostitute that's been arrested. So of course the people

436
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 1: that took the tunnel, well, they didn't seem to be

437
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: as bothered by this idea of death, and they weren't

438
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Speaker 1: as um I guess you could say, um, maybe their

439
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: their value system for the prostitutes were a bit kinder

440
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: and they didn't feel like they needed to pay as

441
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: much as their counter approach who took the sugar pill,

442
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: and they're dental pain they didn't feel was you know,

443
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: quite as awful as they had imagined. So I mean

444
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,239
Speaker 1: that's telling you that this this tiel is sort of

445
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: what they think, is that it is taking this emotional pain,

446
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: processing and recasting it for people, and perhaps they're not

447
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: feeling it is as much as they would have if

448
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: they hadn't taken it. Now, again we have to underline

449
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: once more, don't go taking a lot of time and

450
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: all expecting to to treat your own anxiety levels. Yeah.

451
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to also point out that, as the researchers

452
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Speaker 1: pointed out, this is not something that they said, oh,

453
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: take time and all if you have anxiety. Um, this

454
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: was just again them trying to figure out how time

455
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: all works on the brain. With emotion and a large

456
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: amount of time all can actually lead to liver problems.

457
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: So there's a whole Now. I do disagree with them

458
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: about the whole um, the whole idea that oh, and

459
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: thinking about dental pain is not going to cause you

460
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: any kind of existential dread, because I tend to find,

461
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: uh quite the opposite that if I think about dental pain,

462
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: if I think about dental procedures, then I'm inevitably thinking

463
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: about people getting older and people aging and the long

464
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: of certain road to death. I always come back to

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Speaker 1: Tina Fey's quote that the mouth dies first. You know

466
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: that as you get older, you suddenly find yourself realizing, Hey,

467
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: I I actually have to work a little harder to

468
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: maintain everything in this cavity that is so damningly close

469
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: to my brain and the center of being. Uh and

470
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: and and then you end up having to get these procedures, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: And uh And I find that it is a center

472
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Speaker 1: of existential dread that I can dial down if I

473
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Speaker 1: think about it enough and realize, all right, well, there's

474
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: plenty of stuff I can do. And you know, it's

475
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: just a matter of fault establishing a plan and following

476
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: it and trusting in your health care procedures that they're

477
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: possibly more interested in maintaining your dental health and selling

478
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: you a bunch of jumps. Well, I think that most

479
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: people when they think about going to the dentist, they

480
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: know that there's some mild discomfort, right, they might have

481
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: their you know, gum lines bleed, so and so forth.

482
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: But for other people, like maybe you and I who

483
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: have had procedures, it really is there's a lot of

484
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: angst because for me, going to the dentist is finding

485
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: out that you have a problem. But then they go

486
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: in and then they find even more problems that so

487
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I'm peeling the onion and the

488
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: existential dread of you know, are we ever going to

489
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this awfulness. Now you're erecting

490
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: a tiny village in my mouth with all sorts of materials. Yeah,

491
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: and the feeling like if I do everything you say,

492
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna wind up having to get something done.

493
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: You know. It's so so Yeah. Maybe other people are different.

494
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 1: You'll have to write in and let's know about that.

495
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: But but I find it kind of an area of

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00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: existential dread, possibly confounded for me personally since my deceased

497
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: father was a dentist, so I probably have some additional

498
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: baggage loaded on that train as well. It's possible. Yeah. UM.

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00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to point out that a second experiment of

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00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: two hundred and seven participants in this same sort of

501
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: structure where you have the Thailand all and you have

502
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: the sugar pill and you have David Lynch, and this

503
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: time you have the Simpsons UM as they control UM

504
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: was shown to those two hundred and seven participants, and

505
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 1: after watching the clip, the students looked at footage from

506
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: the two thousand and eleven Vancouver hockey riots sparked by

507
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: the Canucks loss and their bid for the Stanley Cup,

508
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: and they are asked how harshly the rioters should be

509
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: punished for vandalism. And again, uh, those who took tin

510
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: all before they watched Rabbits that David Lynch films seem

511
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: to feel more lenient, as did all the students who

512
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: watched The Simpsons. So uh, you know, it's good that

513
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: they check that out again. Again, this is you know,

514
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: this idea of thailand all and emotional well being either

515
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: early studies, they're not a lot of them, so it'll

516
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: be interesting to see, but it does cast some interesting

517
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: light on the connectedness of physical pain and anxiety. It's

518
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: casts an interesting light on how anxious people behave towards

519
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: other people, you know, they're they're how it affects their empathy, uh,

520
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: and their severity and judging others. Well, it's interesting you

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00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: say that because I read about trickle down anxiety and

522
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: there's a small study of parent child pears that was

523
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: conducted by John's Hopkins, and they looked at the relationship

524
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: between anxiety ridden parents and their children and they found

525
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: that parents with particularly in particular, social anxiety disorder, are

526
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: more likely than parents with other types of anxiety to

527
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: engage in behaviors that put their children at risk for

528
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: developing angst of their own. And we're talking about sixty

529
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: six anxious parents and their sixty six children ages seven

530
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: to twelve, and they had to do this activity together.

531
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: And what they found is that using a scale of

532
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: one to five, that those again as kids that had

533
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: the parents with social anxieties were criticized a lot more

534
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: during this act um the parents expressed a lot more doubt,

535
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: and then the kids sort of took that on again.

536
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: So they were again trying to get to the bottom

537
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: of you know, how much of this is nature and nurture,

538
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: and you know how much of this do we actually

539
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: pass on to our children. The other thing about anxiety,

540
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: besides just being you know, very uncomfortable and for some

541
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: people debilitating, is that for some people, particularly women, older women,

542
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: it may shorten your telomeres. Now telomeres are those DNA

543
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: proteins at the end of the chromosomes, and it's really

544
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: important because telomeres, the longer you have them, presumably the

545
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: lengthier of your life will be um or at least,

546
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, the less disease you may end up having,

547
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: which would be great because presumably you would live longer

548
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: if you have less disease. So a study by researchers

549
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: that Brigham and Women's Hospital showed that a common form

550
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: of anxiety, known as phobic anxiety was associated with shorter

551
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: telomeres and middle age and older women, and um that

552
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 1: suggested that phobic anxiety is a possible risk factor for

553
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: accelerating age. So we're talking about blood samples from five

554
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: thousand women, more than five thousand women ages forty two

555
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: to sixty nine. And they used those samples and they

556
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: analyze the telomere length as well as the participant's concurrent

557
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: self reports regarding their phobic symptoms. And you know, this

558
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: is the story again that these environmental factors in our

559
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: internal states are going to affect the way that our

560
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: body responds and how healthy it can be. So again,

561
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: this is a this is a small study, and this

562
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: is just this one group of women from those ages,

563
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: but I think it's very telling on the sort of

564
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: damage that sustained anxiety disorders can due to our bodies

565
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: and minds. Ye, fear as the mind killer, all right,

566
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: So we should probably everyone's thinking about anxiety now, we've

567
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: been talking about it all of those podcasts. You're probably

568
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: pinpointing examples of anxiety in your own life. So we

569
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: should probably try and send everybody home semi happy and

570
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: discuss some basic methods to cut down on the anxiety

571
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: in your life. Uh, let's start with that with just

572
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: talking about the body itself, fear in the body, anxiety

573
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: and the body. What can you do to to bolster

574
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: your your physical response to anxiety. Well, already know that

575
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: when you are feeling anxious or stressed, that you're breathing

576
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: patterns change and they're essentially telegraphing to your body, Hey

577
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: there's a problem here. So gaining your breath and becoming

578
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: aware of that is hugely important. And we've talked about

579
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: that in terms of meditation, yoga, Yeah, stopping to breathe,

580
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: basically any kind of any kind of basic breathing exercise

581
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: out there, and there are many, Uh, they can have

582
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: just I don't know about phenomenal, but they can have

583
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: very nosable effects on your immediate level of the axone. Um,

584
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: some basic stuff here, just sort of mom kind of stuff.

585
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: Eat right, you know, stuff you know, eat, eat balanced meals.

586
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: Eat Eat some things that are good for you, not

587
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: just junk food. Avoid alcohol, nicotine, sugar, and caffeine. Because

588
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about UM, we're talking about things

589
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: that the depressed or stimulate the body. Again, you know,

590
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: talking about that hallway. On one end of the hallway,

591
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: there's uh, there's worry and fear. On the other hand,

592
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: and there's happiness and you know, and crazy excitement. And

593
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of the hallway that's where the pieces,

594
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: that's where the balance is and you can't make you're

595
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: not going to maintain one extreme without without ricocheting back

596
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: to the other. So when you're taking these uh you know,

597
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't you know, drink alcohol or don't

598
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: have a cup of coffee, but know that your skyrocketing

599
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: yourself in one direction or the other, and it's you're

600
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: potentially turning into this pin pall ball of anxiety, zipping

601
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: up and down the hallway. UM. Exercise is great for

602
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons, including, as we mentioned earlier, getting

603
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: out of your head and into your body. You know,

604
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: there's if you're you're straining yourself into a pose in yoga,

605
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: or if you're you're punishing yourself on the rowing machine

606
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: at the gym, then as long as CNN isn't on

607
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: in the background, there's a good chance that you're gonna

608
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: be able to get out of your mind and get

609
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: into your body. Um, taking care of yourself, getting a

610
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: good night's sleep. This was something that I really woke

611
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: up to on the adoption trip when when we came back,

612
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: especially and everybody was jet lagged, including the toddler of course,

613
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: is that if you don't have enough sleep, everything gets crazier.

614
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: And it's something I already knew from our podcasts and

615
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: and and our research, but really drove home for me

616
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: that if you don't have enough sleep, then the anxiety

617
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: is really gonna crank up. And then also finally considered

618
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: that hormonal changes may be occurring as well. Yeah, that's true.

619
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: And I think like a British person, yeah yeah, if

620
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: you're a if you're an American listening to this, uh

621
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: not someone buried all down, but um, this idea and

622
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: you already kind of touched on this is that happiness

623
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: and you know extremes are not sustainable. And so if

624
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: you look at it a culture, if you look at

625
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: the UK culture in terms of pursuit of happiness, that's

626
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: not quite as rapid as it is in the United States,

627
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Like the expectations are a little bit more pragmatic in

628
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: terms of what we should expect for ourselves. Yeah, don't

629
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: buy into the product that most commercials are selling saying

630
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: you can be happy all of the time with this product.

631
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, yeah, all right, Well, there you go.

632
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: We've discussed discussed anxiety, general anxiety, dread in your life

633
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: and the lives of those around you. Hopefully we've uh

634
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: we forced you to at the very least sort of

635
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: turn the camera back around and look at anxiety written

636
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: and sort of get some perspective on it in your

637
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: own life and realize that a little bit what's going

638
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: on there, and you know, maybe we even covered a

639
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: few of the tools you may begin to use to

640
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: correct it. But if, again, if you are experiencing this

641
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: kind of general anxiety that we've discussed, if anxiety is

642
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: really playing a debilitating role in your life, even just

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