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Speaker 5: It is Wednesday, November twelfth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,

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Speaker 5: we got a very special guest.

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Speaker 2: As we're as the whole.

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Speaker 5: Organization is now trying to reconcile all that's happened over

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Speaker 5: the last week with the passing of Marshawn Neeland, I

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Speaker 5: started thinking back to the twenty twelve season, and that

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Speaker 5: was a season when the Cowboys were in season and

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Speaker 5: had another experience like this where a player lost his

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Speaker 5: life in the middle of a season, And so I thought,

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Speaker 5: let's bring somebody on that maybe has a little more

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Speaker 5: experience with that to talk through how a team manages

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Speaker 5: through these sorts of tragic situations. So I have a friend,

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Speaker 5: Danny McCrae, six year NFL veteran. He was here with

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Speaker 5: the Cowboys for five years and was here during that

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Speaker 5: twenty twelve season when Jerry Brown passed.

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Speaker 2: Let's start first.

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Speaker 5: With as you heard the new life of As you

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Speaker 5: heard the news of Marshawn's passing, did it bring back

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Speaker 5: any of those memories of Jerry Brown? Just thinking from

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Speaker 5: a players standpoint, and I guess empathizing with the players

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Speaker 6: Team, yeah, I mean you first condolences to him and

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Speaker 6: the teammates. To me, I worry for them because I

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Speaker 6: think they have to kind of figure out what's going

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Speaker 6: on inside of them that when that happens, right, that's

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Speaker 6: that they've bled with, that they bonded with, and then

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Speaker 6: they have to process what actually just happened in that moment,

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Speaker 6: and a lot of times, I know for us it

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Speaker 6: was shocking, like you don't believe it, like it couldn't

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Speaker 6: think you have to process the shock, and then once

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Speaker 6: that's when it kind of starts to hit you. And

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Speaker 6: I think that's where this team probably landed over the

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Speaker 6: weekend and then going into these first few days of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the interesting things back then, and for those that

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Speaker 5: don't know it was this all transpired with Jerry Brown.

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Speaker 5: It all transpired a Friday night heading into a Saturday

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Speaker 5: when we were about to travel and I remember I

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Speaker 5: We're on the plane. Everybody's on the plane, players, media

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Speaker 5: the plane. We get off the plane, and obviously not

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Speaker 5: all the media knew what was going on, but I knew,

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Speaker 2: Take me back to there and.

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Speaker 5: Talk me through the mood of the team as they

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, just to go back just a little further.

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Speaker 6: As you said, we didn't know, right, So you think

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Speaker 6: this point, I don't even remember if we won the

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Speaker 3: Really, yeah, it was. It came down to like the

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Speaker 7: The next day?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, and I think that's part of being

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Speaker 6: everything outide of it there, right, I think in these

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Speaker 6: It was a how are you guys feeling? But they

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Speaker 3: About to play in a way to honor him?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 5: If you if you had to give one piece of

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Speaker 2: Stick together?

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Speaker 6: I was they stick together, Lean on each other, Allow

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Speaker 6: yourself to feel what you're feeling. Right, don't try to

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Speaker 6: the worst thing you can do is be on your

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Speaker 6: handle those emotions together as a team, and make this

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting you said you don't even remember if

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Speaker 5: y'all won that game. How long did it take for

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Speaker 2: Off man, you know.

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Speaker 6: I would love to give you a timeframe for that.

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Speaker 6: That situation was different because it was two people involved,

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Speaker 6: And I think this is going to weigh on them,

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Speaker 8: Want to find so difficult because it is a different situation.

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Speaker 8: The circumstances of both things that occurred. One was based

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Speaker 8: How did this happen? Like we work with this person,

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Speaker 8: Like those thoughts of just coming to terms with what

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Speaker 6: There is no way for you to compartmentalize those feelings

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Speaker 6: I would say that she wasn't a therapist at the time.

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Speaker 6: glad that's Shoddy did what he did to be able

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really believe Shoddy is the right guy for

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Speaker 4: I really do.

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Speaker 3: You might not remember much about that game, but you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It was defensively, it was a hell of a day.

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Speaker 4: It really was.

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Speaker 8: Well once you were on the field, did you feel

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like it's happy, right, we're creatures, Like we've

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Speaker 6: To play cover three as a professional, I think what

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Speaker 3: That was a rough day. It was a good day.

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Speaker 8: That's what happens.

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Speaker 4: You didn't ask me.

443
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Speaker 2: Nothing, all right, Vach Yes, all right?

444
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Speaker 5: Uch you ready, you're you're you're and Brian ready to

445
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 5: give us some some details on this Vegas offense.

446
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Speaker 4: Hey man, So man, you know I love you.

447
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Speaker 1: Man.

448
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 4: We gotta be we gotta be careful when we're evaluating

449
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 4: some of these teams. Man, we gotta be careful, uh,

450
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 4: to a to an average team. The Vegas Raiders are

451
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Speaker 4: their offense, because that's what we're breaking down today. They're

452
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 4: very much somebody that you can scoff it. They can't

453
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 4: run the ball all that well when they throw it

454
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 4: very sideways. They don't get down the field a whole bunch.

455
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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's just because they can't go

456
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 4: downfield or because, you know, Chip Kelly just won't go downfield.

457
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 4: Chip Kelly must have owed somebody a favor. The rent

458
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 4: must have been due. He must have told him. Same lives.

459
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 4: Man mccartys always, Hey man, I've been watching the Raiders

460
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 4: film all all lost love. It read for his job.

461
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 4: He must needed the job because it ain't all coagulating

462
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 4: over there. It ain't all coming together. Some something's happening

463
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 4: that's missing. Gino is you know, I think we all

464
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 4: have a common opinion about Geno to where we can

465
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 4: you know, So if you got Geno and the offense

466
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 4: that's not quite working schematically, your run game can't get going.

467
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,479
Speaker 4: And then the worst part ad buy is that your

468
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 4: offensive line is give you zero help. If they were

469
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 4: fully healthy, they're still a bottom of the league offensive line.

470
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 4: They got all kind of cats hurt right now. Colden

471
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,239
Speaker 4: Miller is hurt. Forsyth is like playing playing form now,

472
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 4: parm is hurt. Jackson Powers Johnson that we liked in

473
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 4: the draft process, who was a center. I thought he

474
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 4: was a really good center. They had him playing guard.

475
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 4: He wasn't looking good at guard when he was playing.

476
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Speaker 4: But he's hurt. So they just going through a lot

477
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 4: right now. We can go details by the units or whatnot.

478
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 4: I'll give Brian an opportunity to speak there, but uh,

479
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 4: in context of this Cowboys defense boy, this is where

480
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 4: dreams come true. This is where dreams come true. If

481
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 4: you are a player and you know you think the

482
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 4: fans sick of you, you may be trying to get

483
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 4: another contract. You may need a couple more votes to

484
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Speaker 4: get a Pro Bowl nod or something like that. The

485
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 4: Cowboys defense is exactly what you need.

486
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Speaker 6: You know.

487
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 4: Bo Knicks was a guy to say, man, he can't

488
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Speaker 4: throw the ball like that. The Cowboys defense exactly what

489
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 4: you need. You know what I'm saying. So, I know

490
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 4: the Cowboys have a lot of players coming back that's

491
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: gonna potentially help them, but it ain't. What you know

492
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 4: is what you could prove in court, and the Cowboys

493
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 4: gonna have to show us all. But it's looking like

494
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 4: the Raiders is gonna come here and throw the ball

495
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Speaker 4: all over us, because that's what what teams do. You

496
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 4: wouldn't assume that Brissett would be able to do it,

497
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 4: or Caleb bryce Young would be able to do it.

498
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 4: Caleb's doing doing fine out but even even think about

499
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,239
Speaker 4: think about the Packers and how weird they look on

500
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 4: offense right now. The really ain't putting the ball against nobody,

501
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 4: but they were able.

502
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Speaker 2: To do that.

503
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Speaker 4: You know, do those This goes on and on You

504
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 4: haven't stopped the quarterback this year. So I would be

505
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 4: a fool to come on this platform and love negativity

506
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Speaker 4: from me. I would be a fool to come on

507
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Speaker 4: this platform and be like, oh wo to be realistic.

508
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 4: I'm always realistic. I'm always really The Raiders are the

509
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 4: are the one that you would feel like, hey man,

510
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Speaker 4: maybe we can get it going this week. They're gonna

511
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: have to show me man Quinn and Overshean will have

512
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Speaker 4: to be superheroes.

513
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Speaker 3: Mar Yeah, no, I think you're you're dead on about

514
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 3: this stuff. And you know, and they've got problems in

515
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: the offensive line. They've got two young players though they

516
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 3: really have to worry about here, and you have to

517
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 3: worry about brock Powers the tight end, and and there's

518
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Speaker 3: nobody you know, I think the only the Rams are

519
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 3: the only team that throw the ball to their tight

520
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: ends more than the Raiders do. And he's the he's

521
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 3: the main reason why he's a vertical player, he's across

522
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 3: the field player. You know, you have to be very

523
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 3: aware and you know, here we were kind of laughing

524
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: with you know, Danny McCrae there about playing cover three

525
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: and all that. But yeah, it's gonna come down to,

526
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: you know, and and what we're learning about that that

527
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: that hooker and both are healthy. So you know they'll

528
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: be practicing this week getting ready for this game. So

529
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 3: it's going to come down to how do you play

530
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 3: in the middle of the field. How are you able

531
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: to defend the seams? That's something really big with this team,

532
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: you know, and they're another team too, like I say,

533
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: with with the tight end, but with Ashton Genty Foch's

534
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: right though, they really don't run.

535
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Speaker 2: The ball great.

536
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Speaker 3: And you know, you've got a guy that you know

537
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 3: about almost half the time that they hand Ashton Genty

538
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 3: the ball, he's getting hit. But then you look at

539
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: the metrics and stuff and the eye test and all

540
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 3: those he's breaking a lot of tackles. He's the fourth

541
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 3: in the league when it comes to yards after contact.

542
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Speaker 3: So here's another game where Voch is right, Hey, Dallas,

543
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Speaker 3: you got to prove to me you can tackle a

544
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 3: little bit. You've got to prove to me that you

545
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: could play that Quinn Williams and those guys hopefully the

546
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 3: Quinn Williams and the Overshowns, you know, and the Logan

547
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: Wilson's and you know, and the and the Kenny Clarks

548
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: and those guys step up this week, you know, and

549
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: trying and trying and play some some better run defense,

550
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: because I have a feeling they're going to try and

551
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 3: control some things with Ashton Genty running the ball. They

552
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: don't have explosive plays the Browns only the Browns have

553
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 3: a fewer explosive plays than the Raiders. But you know,

554
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: here's once again and I keep saying his name, but

555
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: Voch is right about this. You know, this is where

556
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: dreams come. When you're an offense and you're kind of

557
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: scuffling along and you're really not getting things going the

558
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: right way. All of a sudden, you play the Cowboys

559
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: and you kind of get your feet back together. But

560
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: there's going to be a different crew out there playing

561
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 3: for your Dallas Cowboys this week, and so hopefully those

562
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: guys can who haven't played a whole lot this season,

563
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: are new to the program, they're going to have to

564
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: step up and kind of keep the Raiders where they

565
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 3: are offensively.

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you, guys, this question has a lot

567
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Speaker 5: of what you've seen from from a statistical standpoint, we

568
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 5: see that the Raiders aren't able to do a lot

569
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Speaker 5: of things offensively, has a lot of that been because

570
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Speaker 5: for a good part of the season they were without

571
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Speaker 5: what I think is their best playmaker offensively, and Brock

572
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Speaker 5: Bowers yea, with him back, how much does that change

573
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 5: or is that still he They just can't seem to

574
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 5: get the big players in their offense.

575
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 4: They can't throw the ball because they can't run the football.

576
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 4: They can't run the football because this might be the

577
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 4: worst offensive line that you've seen all year. So so

578
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Speaker 4: just me being negative like Ambar, I can be positive,

579
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Speaker 4: like I.

580
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Speaker 8: Could be worry about you.

581
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Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna be like Ambar. But if I

582
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 4: could be positive like Derek for.

583
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Speaker 2: A second, I'm a positive person.

584
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: If I could be positive like.

585
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Speaker 8: You're ill that how about we call him for what

586
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 8: it is? Realistic on this side, Homers on that side.

587
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Speaker 4: I don't think I'm being all I think home.

588
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 2: That's just I'm a positive person.

589
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 4: I think I think I think I'm being absolutely realistic

590
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 4: when I say that this Raiders defense ain't good at all.

591
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 4: Both this Raiders offense, those Raiders offense ain't been good

592
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 4: at all. That's facts. But all the bad offenses put

593
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 4: points up on you. But all the bad offenses put

594
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Speaker 4: points up on you. So that's just me kind of

595
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 4: going back and forth with it.

596
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 5: But this is but but but this is, in your opinion,

597
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 5: the worst offense the Cowboys will have seen all season.

598
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: It's so it's so terrible, it's so terrible, Like you know,

599
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 4: we I think the worst offensive line for sure, the

600
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: offensive line. Sure. The worst passer that you probably saw

601
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 4: this year was like justin fields or something. I'd rather

602
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: have justin fields than Geno right now. Geno's not and

603
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 4: that's just passing game. We're not operating this thing at all.

604
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 4: Ash Gentz can't play, yes, but the offensive line is

605
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 4: toe up. So to be positive, like Derek, some people

606
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 4: just distracting. This is the time to where you're getting

607
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 4: you're getting a ton of help, and you're getting that

608
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 4: help exactly where like you need it, but exactly where

609
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 4: they would try to beat you at. If you're gonna

610
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 4: lose this game, it would be because the offensive line

611
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Speaker 4: of the Raiders found a way to block you up

612
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 4: front and Genty turns into some superhero. I think that'll

613
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: be how it was done. The Raiders would win like

614
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: the Panthers beat.

615
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Speaker 3: You, right, that's that's that's that's they.

616
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Speaker 2: Would run the ball.

617
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Speaker 4: You know, they'll throw it over you here or there

618
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 4: if they figure out where to do it. But they're

619
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 4: gonna beat you in the football, right, But there's an

620
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 4: opportunity for Quinn Williams, Kenny Clark. Oh, so whatever, the

621
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 4: combination of big guys are those Edges and Demo coming back.

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Speaker 4: This is the first game. He's kind of getting his

623
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: feet up on him. No camp, but it's his first time.

624
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 4: And then you got Logan Wilson there. So like that's

625
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 4: where the Cowboys get extremely better from zero to one

626
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 4: hundred better. But that's where the Raiders could possibly beat you.

627
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: At How do they mitigate the risk of Brock powers

628
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Speaker 5: Because I hear what you're saying. I don't think that

629
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Speaker 5: they get it going with the run game because I

630
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 5: think right now the Cowboys are a better run defense.

631
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Speaker 5: We'll see so my guess is that they're going to

632
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 5: be a better run defense than they've been.

633
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Speaker 2: Where I still wonder is the passing game.

634
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Speaker 5: And I look at somebody like him and against good defenses,

635
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 5: I see him get off. So I could see a

636
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 5: week this week where he could hit you that's one

637
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty yards.

638
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: How do you mitigate that problem.

639
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Speaker 4: The Cowboys have been terrible on defense, but I think

640
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 4: the difference here in what we've seen from them is

641
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 4: that Bowers doesn't have like a top tier wide receiver

642
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: go along with them. They got some wide receivers that

643
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 4: can run. Trey Tuck can run and get behind your

644
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 4: things like that, But I don't see him is like

645
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 4: a think about the Cardinals game, right. Trey McBride is

646
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 4: a dangerous tight end, right, so you can't put all

647
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 4: the resources into him because they have Marvin Harrison will

648
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: go and be talented on you, right, which he did.

649
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 4: He did, That's exactly what happened. Yeah, the Raiders don't

650
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 4: have a Marvin Harrison to take pressure off off of

651
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: Rock Bowers. Now, this Cowboys defense where dreams come true.

652
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: But I think if they can deal with Bowers and

653
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 4: if you could deal with the run game, I don't

654
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: think the Rays have a lot of options to try

655
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Speaker 4: to beat.

656
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Derek, to your question, I don't think they have

657
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: a really good answer. I don't And maybe maybe it

658
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: turns into maybe it turns into when you go back

659
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Speaker 3: and it's pass rush and it's twenty seven sacks and

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Speaker 3: it's multiple pressures and it's pick your guy you want

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Speaker 3: to break down on the offensive line. It's the right guard,

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Speaker 3: it's the left tackle, it's the right tackle. It just

663
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Speaker 3: Ashton Genty having to pick up Moster having to pick

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Speaker 3: up as a blitz pick up guy. You know, they

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Speaker 3: have issues with the protection. So all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Rock Bowers will be the target. He

667
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Speaker 3: will be the focal point of their off I told

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Speaker 3: you this. I mean, their offense really is kind of

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Speaker 3: geared towards throwing him the football. And you know, and

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Speaker 3: so I don't think Dallas has particularly a great answer

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Speaker 3: for that. I'd love to say that while Jordan Lewis

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Speaker 3: is going to walk up, all of a sudden, he's

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Speaker 3: going to show up and go cover Rock Bauers. I

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Speaker 3: don't don't. We've talked about, oh in the past, these

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Speaker 3: tight ends. Do you play Bland over there? Do you

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Speaker 3: use somebody over there? Do you cover him? Michael? You know,

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Speaker 3: do you treat him like a wide receiver? I mean,

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Speaker 3: but he is such a rare athlete and his ability

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Speaker 3: to explosiveness and stuff like that, you're gonna almost feel

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Speaker 3: like that he's going to get his Can you kind

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Speaker 3: of can you keep everything else in check right there.

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Speaker 3: That's that's going to be the challenge. I don't think

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Speaker 3: Dallas has anybody that can cover him. I just don't.

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Speaker 5: This might be one of those games where the offense

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Speaker 5: is your best defense. If the Cowboys can get out

686
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Speaker 5: to that early lead and put pressure on that offense

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Speaker 5: to have to keep up, that's where you can be.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of That's kind of how it seems like

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Speaker 5: the Jets game went along, was just you put so

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Speaker 5: much pressure on their offense. The offense just and keep up.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's really cowboy maybe the Cowboy's best stops.

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Speaker 5: If that's if this defense doesn't have some remarkable turnaround

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Speaker 5: with all these additions, which we don't know. We just

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Speaker 5: have no idea, there's nothing to base your whole that's

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Speaker 5: your hope, but that you can't base that on you.

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Speaker 2: That's hope you've But you couldn't get worse.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I feel like you you would definitely see

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Speaker 8: some improvement there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you could go worse.

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Speaker 3: This team could score thirty forty points on you, then

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Speaker 3: that would be worse, right, And what.

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Speaker 2: I would say is that you can get worse.

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Speaker 5: From the standpoint I think the run defense will be better,

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Speaker 5: but it might further exploit the fact that they got

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Speaker 5: a really poor secondary, right, or that the secondary is

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Speaker 5: not playing up to par. Like that's the part where

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Speaker 5: it could get worse is, yeah, they stopped the run,

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Speaker 5: JENTI didn't do anything, but man, it was like bombs

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Speaker 5: away every other play, you know, And if that happens,

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Speaker 5: then you are I think that is a little bit

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Speaker 5: worse than maybe where you were before. Even though you've

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Speaker 5: solved one problem, the other problem is just so large

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Speaker 5: and you don't have any resources coming Like you got Trayvon.

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Speaker 5: You can hope there, but Trey was your earlier this

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Speaker 5: year when things weren't going well.

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Speaker 8: But I mean when we've I remember having this conversation

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Speaker 8: with you guys before whether you prefer having like stopping

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Speaker 8: the run or having a worse secondary like allowing those

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Speaker 8: passes or the passing game. So now you're in a

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Speaker 8: situation where you can potentially improve and stopping the run.

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Speaker 8: So to me, yes, they can kill you through throwing

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Speaker 8: the ball and getting to the end zone, but it

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Speaker 8: would still be an improvement on the defense as a whole,

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Speaker 8: because now you're managing the game a little differently. You're

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Speaker 8: giving more opportunities a lot quicker for your offense to

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Speaker 8: get back on the field and hopefully keep up with

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Speaker 8: scoring points as well.

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Speaker 4: Let me just say man Ambar makes the greatest points.

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Speaker 8: Oh wow wow should they must be a great day.

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Speaker 4: No, I've told you this before. I'm not phony. She

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Speaker 4: makes fancy because she just keep it simple. You're not wrong.

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Speaker 4: How the Cowboys would would do that earlier in the season, right,

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Speaker 4: It depended on like personnel. They didn't have the guys

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Speaker 4: to stop the run with less dudes, So how they

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Speaker 4: dealt with stopping the run was put more bodies in

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Speaker 4: the box and it worked. But when you have more

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Speaker 4: bodies in the box, you can't defend. You got better dudes.

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Speaker 4: Now better dudes is it makes everything better? So now

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Speaker 4: with Quinn with there's this analytics study and I hate analytics,

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Speaker 4: but I was just so enamored by it or whatever

741
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Speaker 4: that teams are going bigger at the ones and the

742
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Speaker 4: threes to be able to stop the run so they

743
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Speaker 4: could drop more dudes and coverage. So we'll be watching

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Speaker 4: a film a couple of weeks ago, Mark he's be

745
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Speaker 4: able to be walked down or like lethal just be

746
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Speaker 4: walked down right now you can be like, Okay, Marky's

747
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Speaker 4: we don't need you necessarily because Quinn's here. And this

748
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Speaker 4: ain't me being hyperbody, because Quinn is a cowboy. He's

749
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Speaker 4: the number one run defending defensive tackle. He gonna be

750
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Speaker 4: right in the middle of this time. They just try

751
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Speaker 4: to do some weird stuff where they try to make

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Speaker 4: him with a three tech thing in this game, they're

753
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Speaker 4: gonna put them right over the center and he decides

754
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Speaker 4: sometimes at zero and he's going to wood feet. I

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Speaker 4: think Overshwan is gonna have a fun time just running

756
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Speaker 4: around tackling people, saying with Logan Wilson on top of

757
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Speaker 4: the idea that Kenny Clark and Osa are also going

758
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Speaker 4: to be bringing you more help. So now you're doing

759
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Speaker 4: is you don't have to pick either or now you like,

760
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna deal with the run with these five or

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Speaker 4: six guys two linebackers at the most five or six

762
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Speaker 4: guys right, and then I'll drop my muddy coverage because

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Speaker 4: that's worked against guys like fields or like Jalen Hurselbo's.

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Speaker 2: Got the worst quarterbacks that you play.

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Speaker 4: If you don't if you don't process all that well,

766
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Speaker 4: dropping guys in coverage. Ain't a bad idea, but you

767
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Speaker 4: got to stop the run when that happens. Yeah, the

768
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Speaker 4: thing that you great point go ahead all of.

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Speaker 3: A sudden, if you get into a game though, in

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Speaker 3: this game, and all of a sudden, the Raiders are protecting,

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Speaker 3: they're blocking your front. Now you're in trouble. You're in trouble.

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Speaker 3: And you know, and I say that, you know with

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Speaker 3: really not with a lot of weapons on the outside,

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Speaker 3: with with the exception of the couple of tight ends

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Speaker 3: they have, and they could throw the ball to ashing

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Speaker 3: genty if they want to as well. But I just

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Speaker 3: kind of feel like though that if you if we

778
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Speaker 3: watched the first quarter of this game, and all of

779
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Speaker 3: a sudden, it's there's no past Russ, there's no past rush,

780
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Speaker 3: there's no post rush. Doubts could be in trouble in

781
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Speaker 3: this game. It really could be.

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Speaker 4: Prior to this game, the worst tackle I've seen all

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Speaker 4: year was the kid from the Giants Ellen Men. That

784
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Speaker 4: fella they dj Glaze the right tackle for the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: He's so much worse than him. He's so much worse.

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Speaker 4: The entire Raiders offensive line can be got, but Glaze

787
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Speaker 4: is one in particular twenty seven sacks. If you're looking

788
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Speaker 4: him up, he gotta be like ten of them.

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Speaker 2: He got it.

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Speaker 4: He will be proud of Terrence Steell. Terror still look

791
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Speaker 4: like a saint compared to the j Lade. So this

792
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Speaker 4: has to be the week. I'm fluid. This has to

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Speaker 4: be the week. I feel good about the interior pressure.

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Speaker 4: But man, let's get James Houston them going. Man, let's

795
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Speaker 4: get let's get Donnez Roco a couple more sacks. Man,

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Speaker 4: let's keep this this momentum going.

797
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Speaker 2: Because they've been they've been on the upper trim.

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Speaker 4: Pass rushers got so. I used to have a joke

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Speaker 4: while we would find some some practice squad offensive line, like, man,

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Speaker 4: even if this dude was playing, we ain't we ain't

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Speaker 4: getting pressure. I can't tell that joke anymore because the

802
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Speaker 4: pass rush has improved. With less rotation, pass rush has improved.

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Speaker 4: I just need them to bring that to this party

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Speaker 4: and keep on building on it.

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Speaker 3: I told you will. Putting him with your guy the

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Speaker 5: All right, Kaylen Carson. Last week, he returned to the

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Speaker 5: lineup after being after missing time for an injury.

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Speaker 2: I think I saw that he's that he played forty plays.

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Speaker 5: Uh, he had zero targets though, And my question for

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00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 5: you guys, I went back and kind of just isolated.

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Speaker 2: I did a little cut up on just his plays.

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Speaker 2: It actually looked pretty good to me, sir, didn't it?

881
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Speaker 8: Yeah?

882
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: It did. I was like, what am I missing here?

883
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Speaker 5: But Brian, you obviously have a little more better trained

884
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Speaker 5: eye than I do.

885
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Speaker 2: What did you see in watching Kayln?

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Speaker 3: Carson trained? I's got me doing radio with you guys, right, Hey,

887
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: how about them?

888
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 8: Hey man, I've always loved your analysis and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You give Brian.

890
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 4: He was always in face.

891
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: Right, their loss is argument? Yeah, I just put it

892
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: like that.

893
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: I love doing work with you guys, absolutely, so.

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00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: It was always in phase. It didn't look like he

895
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: got lost a.

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Speaker 3: Bunch, bro I think about it. The thing about it was,

897
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Speaker 3: and I agree with Derek on this because I I

898
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: just wanted to know. I know there were people on

899
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: social platforms that were asking, like, what about Carson? When

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Speaker 3: how do we get him involved? That he went out

901
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: there and I was looking for I was looking to

902
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 3: see if it was a confident player. I was looking

903
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: to see if he's a player that was playing uh,

904
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: you know, as Vasha said, in phase was it zone,

905
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,959
Speaker 3: was it man? Was his responsibility? Did he have to help?

906
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: Did he have help? Was their safeties over there?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: How did he play overall? And and maybe maybe it

909
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: was one of those things where they said, Okay, we're

910
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: not gonna you know, we're not gonna look over there.

911
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 3: We're just gonna look. We got other players we want

912
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: to look at right now. But I'll say this, though,

913
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Speaker 3: I did see a guy that was moving with some confidence,

914
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Speaker 3: his ability to like win, he had to play off

915
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 3: and to drive, and if the ball was going away,

916
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Speaker 3: him trying to hustle over and get to the play.

917
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Speaker 3: You know, this was a guy when we saw him

918
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Speaker 3: last he wasn't confident. He didn't he was he was

919
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: he was beat up, he was battered. He he wasn't

920
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: he wasn't a good player, and he was in a

921
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 3: bad spot. And then he gets hurt and then then

922
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: we all start to talk about, well, there's there's another one.

923
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Speaker 3: There's another mess, there's another mess. And he had to

924
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: hear that probably all the off season. It was nice

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Speaker 3: to see him get out there and have some productive

926
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Speaker 3: reps to the point where you know, I'm more interested, Yeah,

927
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Speaker 3: put him out there. I kind of have an idea

928
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Speaker 3: of what Elam and others are. You know, I have

929
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Speaker 3: an idea of what those guys are. Just let's if

930
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: you're gonna, if you're gonna put him in that way,

931
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Speaker 3: go ahead and play him, throw him the deep end

932
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Speaker 3: of the pool again and see if he swims. I

933
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Speaker 3: think he might.

934
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Speaker 4: I think Carson had a really good balance and this

935
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Speaker 4: is a this is a good work, like a corner thing.

936
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Speaker 4: But like between aggression and patience, you can't be too

937
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 4: patient because if you're too aggressive, because look, that'll happen

938
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: to him, like somebody will run past him. Yeah, Now

939
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Speaker 4: he's trying to get that back. He's so aggressive to

940
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: you know, try to get that back. But I feel

941
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Speaker 4: like in the cardinal game and it could be level

942
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Speaker 4: of competition not named Marvin Harrison. There's a lot of

943
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 4: games we have to look at and evaluate. But he

944
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: was very patient. He read things, seemed like he saw

945
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: things very well. But when it was time to use

946
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 4: his hands and kind of fight a little bit, he

947
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 4: was kind of right there. He was, you know, right

948
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Speaker 4: in face. So I mean, hey, hey man, you can't

949
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Speaker 4: miss you know what I mean?

950
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Speaker 2: What else is it?

951
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Speaker 8: You know what I mean?

952
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll say what the I think one of the

954
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Speaker 5: things that that kind of last year I think started

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Speaker 5: the dissent for me anyway watching him was that that

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Speaker 5: game against the Ravens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 5: Uh, and kind of how he was kind of dealing

959
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Speaker 5: with that whole that beast of a man that's.

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Speaker 2: A running back. But I saw a couple times in

961
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Speaker 2: this game.

962
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Speaker 5: Where he came up and run support. He set the

963
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 5: edge against bigger guys and forced the runner back inside

964
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Speaker 5: to his help, And I thought, that's what I want

965
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Speaker 5: to see. That that says to me when you talk

966
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Speaker 5: about Brian a confident player, that says to me, he

967
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Speaker 5: knows his responsibility. He's confident enough to get up there

968
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Speaker 5: and do it. And and that's the aggressiveness that I

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00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 5: saw training camp two years ago that made me start

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Speaker 5: first saying, hey, I think Klen Carson got some I

971
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Speaker 5: think he can be a player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The word was balanced, and that was really well

973
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Speaker 3: well said on the scouting side of it. But the

974
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Speaker 3: thing about it is with him is that you you

975
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Speaker 3: look at him at Wake Forest, he was a guy

976
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Speaker 3: that was he was an attacking player. He was okay

977
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Speaker 3: with coming up and trying to make plays and throw

978
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Speaker 3: his body around. And even when you threw a ball

979
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Speaker 3: on him and it was a catch, he would come

980
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: back the next play, he would rally. But I just

981
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: think overall though, you just if you just sat down

982
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: and watched his play, just all him, you would have

983
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 3: to be very pleased with what you saw. A lot

984
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: of positives, not many negatives looking at that player, and

985
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Speaker 3: hopefully he can hopefully that can kind of get him

986
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Speaker 3: going again this week against the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's a wrap. We will be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: We'll dive into this Raiders defense versus the Cowboys offense.

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Speaker 5: Till then for vatch Lombardy, Brian brought us Nambergarcia. I'm

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Speaker 5: Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas

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