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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong Show, Katty.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty and he Armstrong and Yetty. Do you

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Speaker 2: want people to click on your news story? Don't say

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Speaker 2: horse rescued with crane after falling in pit. Oh my god, Internet, please,

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Speaker 2: you invented clickbait. This is what you do.

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Speaker 3: That's the best headline you could come up with.

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Speaker 4: Let me help you out.

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Speaker 3: Total stud pulled out of dirty hole, hung like a horse.

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Speaker 2: Pretty good. Bill maher tips for writing headlines. So Katie

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Speaker 2: came across this story. She started to tell it about

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Speaker 2: all of our weight loss goals that a lot of

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Speaker 2: US Americans had to start the summer, and I said,

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Speaker 2: hold off, we need to talk to everybody, so lay

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Speaker 2: it out force. What's the deal.

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Speaker 4: So this is a study from the CDC, and according

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Speaker 4: to them, forty nine percent of US had a goal

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Speaker 4: of losing twenty pounds before summer arrived.

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Speaker 2: So half of Americans lie to themselves probably every year

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Speaker 2: and say I'm going to lose twenty pounds by the

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Speaker 2: time summer starts.

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Speaker 1: So you can't.

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Speaker 4: You can't get into the gym for the first month

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Speaker 4: of the year.

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Speaker 2: Before you and I think, as we all know, try

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Speaker 2: to lose weight. It's way more about the eating than

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Speaker 2: it is everything else. It's you got to change your

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Speaker 2: eating a lot. But so half of us dilute ourselves,

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Speaker 2: probably every year into thinking, this year, I'm gonna lose

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Speaker 2: twenty pounds, which is a lot. I mean, if you're six,

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Speaker 2: four to twenty pounds is a lot. If you're five

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Speaker 2: to three, it's really a lot. As a woman, you're

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Speaker 2: not gonna lose twenty pounds before summer. You're gonna lose

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Speaker 2: twenty pounds so you can go out in your bikini

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Speaker 2: or your tank top of or short sworder. Anyway, how

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Speaker 2: well did we do.

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Speaker 4: Well? They're saying at one to two pounds a week,

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Speaker 4: that can take up to ten weeks, and that's.

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Speaker 2: Good math right there. Two pounds a week for ten

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Speaker 2: weeks is twenty pounds. Hey, thank you, CDC.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're the people that you're the people that brought us

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Speaker 2: stand six feet apart with that sort of math.

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Speaker 4: They're saying that not many people reach that goal. They're

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Speaker 4: not giving me the exact percentage, but duh, you know

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Speaker 4: this is like the article the title of this article

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Speaker 4: should just be duh. If you didn't reach your goal.

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Speaker 4: The CDC says, however, all is not lost. You should

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Speaker 4: turn your summer plan into a holiday one because health

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Speaker 4: experts say that cold weather makes your body work harder,

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Speaker 4: which makes weight loss easier.

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Speaker 2: What a bunch of crap? I mean? That is, you know,

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Speaker 2: technically true, but it's not going to have any effect

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Speaker 2: on people's changing. You'd have to radically change your lifestyle

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Speaker 2: to lose twenty pounds.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and people don't want to do that.

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Speaker 2: That's just right. The CDC needs to stop funding it. Yes, Michael, who.

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Speaker 3: Wants to diet during the holidays, that's the worst time

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Speaker 2: That's when I put on my weight. Well, and if

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Speaker 2: you weren't motivated to do something to where you're going

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Speaker 2: to start wearing less clothes like you're going to be

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Speaker 2: seen on the beach, You're definitely not going to be

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Speaker 2: motivated to lose your twenty pounds when you can cover

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Speaker 2: it up with a hoodie and a sweater.

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Speaker 4: Yes, cover up the fluff.

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Speaker 2: It's hoodie season.

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Speaker 4: It's I go cozy hoodie season.

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Speaker 2: I can just let her fly.

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Speaker 4: Give me those mashed potatoes I.

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Speaker 2: Have known I think a total of three people in

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Speaker 2: my entire life that lost a lot of weight and

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Speaker 2: kept it off. Three total. I've known dozens of people

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Speaker 2: that lost a lot of weight and then gained it back.

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Speaker 2: And that's not a knock on anybody. It's just what happens.

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Speaker 2: And we've talked about this before. We this has only

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Speaker 2: been known for a few years. But unfortunately, if your

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Speaker 2: body gets a set point on the weight, you lose

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Speaker 2: that weight, your brain goes into survival mode. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna starve, and it starts hoarding those calories, turning

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Speaker 2: that's what the human body does. So that's why it's very, very,

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Speaker 2: very It's damn near impossible to lose weight and keep

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Speaker 2: it off. You have done it, which I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 2: I might not even have three. I might have two

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Speaker 2: in my whole life that lost a bunch of weight

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Speaker 2: and kept it off. It's just really really hard to do.

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Speaker 2: It sucks that that's the fact, but it just so

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Speaker 2: how did you do it? The losing part? I think

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Speaker 2: most people get the keeping it off part. That's where

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Speaker 2: the rubber meets the road or the milkshake meets the belly.

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Speaker 2: How do you do that well?

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Speaker 4: And so I've been on both sides of that. I've

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Speaker 2: Oh really, so not just this one time.

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Speaker 4: Not just this one time. I did it once in

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Speaker 4: my mid twenties because I got weight. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if this is actually a thing, but like having to

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Speaker 4: fight your weight runs on all sides of my family,

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Speaker 4: back generations. I mean, it's like weight loss has been

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Speaker 4: constantly a struggle. So I don't know if that's hereditary

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Speaker 2: Definitely to a certain extent. And you know, and then

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Speaker 2: you also get like family lifestyles tied in with that too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I see it. Starbucks, A very big mom

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Speaker 2: big giant milkshake right, which may not be the best idea,

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Speaker 2: but genetics definitely plays a role. At your heaviest, what

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Speaker 4: My heaviest was two hundred and ten pounds and I'm five.

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Speaker 2: Four five four to ten.

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Speaker 4: You were two hundred and ten pounds when I started

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Speaker 2: You were you carry it well?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Five four two ten mm hm. And now and then

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Speaker 2: then then then how much you do you look now?

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Speaker 4: Now? I am five four and floating between one five,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is very very normal. You look great, so

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Speaker 2: there'd be no reason to lose weight from where you

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Speaker 4: But the way I gained it all back was I

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Speaker 4: totally dropped my routine. I thought, oh, I'd lost the weight.

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Speaker 4: I'm good. You know. I don't have to keep working

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Speaker 4: I have my cheat days now, But I was. I

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Speaker 2: Well, if the body worked the way we all thought

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Speaker 2: whatever weight you are. You aren't gaining weight I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: overweight or fat, if you want to use that word.

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Speaker 2: I'm fat, but I'm not gaining weight eating the way

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Speaker 2: the way I was eating before, where I wasn't gaining weight.

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Speaker 4: But that's not the way the body reacts now.

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Speaker 2: The body says, we need to get back to that weight.

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Speaker 2: It is crucial that we do everything we can to

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Speaker 2: So it hoards the calorie, slows it down your metabulism

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Speaker 2: really an awful thing about reality.

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Speaker 4: It's that's fair, which my mom would slap me for

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Speaker 2: Just now, it isn't fair given our modern lifestyles to

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Speaker 2: where we're sitting at a desk and food being yemmy

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Speaker 2: happen anymore. Obviously we have ozempic and all these other

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Speaker 2: new drugs out there. But anyway, so how long did

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Speaker 2: it take you to gain back the weight. I've seen

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Speaker 2: it happen shockingly fast. I'm not going to mention a

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Speaker 2: coworker we had. We've had a couple of coworkers actually

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Speaker 2: seemed like it was weeks before it came back. I

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Speaker 4: It seemed like weeks. And I also felt like I

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Speaker 4: took two and a half to three years for it

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Speaker 4: to come all the way back for and I came back. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I came back bigger and better than ever. Baby. I

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Speaker 4: But I wasn't anywhere very fast though, considering my size.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I've seen that, and I've heard that from

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Speaker 4: God, that's the most miserable feeling on the planet too,

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Speaker 4: I'll bet, cause you're like, I did all this work

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Speaker 2: And older, right older. That it is unfair. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know who you're complaining to, the white milkshake gods. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: the milkshake gods. It is incredibly unfair that it works

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Speaker 2: that way. So I don't believe in cheat days because

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Speaker 2: it it It never works for me. The cheat causes

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Speaker 2: worth it. But you make cheap days work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well, so Drew and I we will

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Speaker 4: usually say screw it on Fridays for Saturdays, sometimes both,

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Speaker 4: depending on how we're feeling. But Sunday through Thursday it

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Speaker 4: is strict Jim regular diet at all times. And the

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Speaker 4: cheap meal it's only like one meal, it's not like

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Speaker 4: three meals in the whole day kind of a thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah yeah. Our old producer Sean, his joke

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Speaker 2: used to be about Tom Brady his cheat days. He

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Speaker 2: looks at a picture of a strawberry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, what is a cheat day for you. I

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Speaker 4: try not to because you were because you have like

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Speaker 4: a quarter pounder from McDonald's like twice a week, so

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Speaker 4: I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm an intermit and faster, so it's just

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Speaker 2: about the right. I only eat between for five hours,

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Speaker 2: and I kind of eat crap during those five hours.

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Speaker 2: But I only eat five hours.

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Speaker 4: And you're also the most active person I know, so

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Speaker 2: I am pretty active. But if I eat healthy, which

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Speaker 2: I'd walk around shirtless all the time.

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Speaker 4: But I just okay, don't eat healthy because no one

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Speaker 2: Well, I always say, and I have found this to

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Speaker 4: So good at that. It's actually one of my talents.

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Speaker 4: Grow pick one?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, it is unfair, God, why'd you do this? Yeah? Man,

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Speaker 2: it's actually evolutionary. I mean, probably more human beings have

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Speaker 5: I really just came up here to say that you're

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Speaker 6: You need to thank you for the entertainment, all right?

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Speaker 7: Is that it for public calm and anyone else? If

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty good two stroke motorcycle impersonation. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what town that was. What was

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Speaker 1: A little bit.

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Speaker 2: Let's do the whole rules for summertime backyard barbecues. Let's

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Speaker 2: backyard barbecues on number set twelve thirteen fourteen. Hear me out,

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Speaker 2: raisins in the potato salad. Oh, hell no.

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Speaker 4: Raisins in the potato salad.

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Speaker 2: O hell no, they don't deserve on the hay payesty high,

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Speaker 1: Again?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I was just about to say so. This apparently

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Speaker 4: It's a thing, and it shouldn't be, but it is.

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Speaker 4: Hanson says it's a white person foul. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 2: My bad. Really, I don't think I would mind. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever had potato salad with

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Speaker 4: That Jackie, you will you will mind, you will mind?

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Speaker 4: They don't belong in there?

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Speaker 2: So is the rest of it just more of that

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Speaker 4: Let's find out.

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Speaker 2: But here me of solve drinks. Hell now drags. That's funny. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I grew up in an offing off brand soft drink family.

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Speaker 2: off brand soft drinks. Oh hell no, I agree with

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Speaker 7: You up?

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Speaker 4: That's so to say it. The first song was the

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Speaker 2: Off brand soda. Oh hell no, am I the only

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Speaker 2: one who's ever had off brand soda. No, y'all grew

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Speaker 4: We had, we had, we drank.

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Speaker 2: There was something my mom got it the like the

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Speaker 2: It was called chocolate pop too. It was chocolate soda.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that sound nicey.

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Speaker 2: My brother liked it, but I never did.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had cola. We had lemon, which was Sprite

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Speaker 4: You should show up to the barbecue with raisins and

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're actually having a cul de sac party for

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Speaker 2: So I will bring off brand soda and see how

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Speaker 2: a guy who knows more about the border than practically

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Speaker 2: Did you know that's a problem? Among other things. On

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Speaker 1: Us, Armstrong and Getty, I'm going to talk to.

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Speaker 2: The former Border Patrol Grand Poobah, twenty sixth chief of

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Speaker 1: Jason, how are you today, Good Jack I've never been

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Speaker 1: called a grand Thuba before.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that, the big cheese. So, what years

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Speaker 2: were you the guy in charge?

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Speaker 1: So I was. I was the chief of the Border

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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you know what the history is of

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Speaker 2: I actually don't know that.

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Speaker 1: I know the whole dynamic has changed. It's not just

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Speaker 1: It's just that we didn't pay as much attention to it.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: We only had a few thousand agents and predominantly focused

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Speaker 1: And that's really the extent of you know, what was

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Speaker 1: We've had those surges where we've had very busy times.

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Speaker 1: It was a very different mission because nine to eleven

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Speaker 1: Well, like I said, predominantly had a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: if you caught Jason Owens from Mexico and you said, hey,

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Speaker 1: In many cases, and in many cases it's a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as there is no place in the country you

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Speaker 2: there are different magnets rather than just jobs. Well, so

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Speaker 1: the border, make no mistake about it. The cartels control

440
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Speaker 1: everything that's coming across illicitly across our borders. And that's

441
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: whether that's people, whether that's you know, illicit substances, whether

442
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: that's money, you name it. And so you know, back

443
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: in the again in the early two thousands and nineties,

444
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: and you know, it was all about marijuana, and you

445
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: had cocaine, and you had some meth cases and the

446
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: like and heroin. Those are the traditional narcotics that we

447
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: would come across. And of course, you know, the world's

448
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 1: view on marijuana has changed, and so the cartels adapted

449
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: and they look for the next best thing, because at

450
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, there's a business and they're

451
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: looking at how can I make money off of you

452
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: know what it is I'm doing. Well, they took a

453
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: pivot to two things. Number one fentnel started becoming much

454
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: more prominent because of how potent it is and how

455
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: easy it is to make comparatively, and then also they

456
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: got into the people business. They got into human trafficking

457
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 1: because for the longest time, there was not as much

458
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: risk associated. People would be a little bit more sympathetic

459
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: to folks that were smuggling people across the border than

460
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: they would somebody bring it across kilos of cocaine, and

461
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: so they shifted to the product that was going to

462
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: be in more demand and where they stood to make

463
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: the most money with less risk. That's especially been what

464
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: the cartel's business model has been and how it has

465
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Speaker 1: impacted the dynamic along particularly the southwest border.

466
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Speaker 2: That's interesting. So that doesn't surprise me. But you say

467
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 2: the cartel, nothing's really happening without their approval.

468
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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. And there's different ones that are out there.

469
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Speaker 1: And if you talk to anybody in the national security space,

470
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: especially with CDP and Border patrol, they will tell you

471
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: that that is our true adversary. The smugglers, the criminals,

472
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: the cartel members, those are the ones that we face

473
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: off against every single day and when we go out

474
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: there to help secure the border, that is who we

475
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: have in mind. The immigration issue, it's an important one.

476
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: We have to have law and order, but the national

477
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: security aspect of border security is really what is first

478
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: and foremost on our minds because that represents by far

479
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Speaker 1: the greatest threat to our country.

480
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Speaker 2: And the Mexican government just can't get control of those cartels.

481
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Speaker 1: Apparently it's a tough situation. They know, if you think

482
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: about an adversary like the cartels, that the amount of

483
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Speaker 1: money that they make. And I'll use Del Rio sector

484
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Speaker 1: in Texas as an example, because I was the sector

485
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Speaker 1: chief there before I took over as chief of the

486
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Speaker 1: Border Patrol. And that's a pretty remote, small sector. And

487
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: of course back a couple years ago that was front

488
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: and center with Eagle Pass and you all the and

489
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: the Haitian migration. Well, that little sector, just off of

490
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: human trafficking alone, we estimated that the cartels were pocketing

491
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: upwards of thirty thirty five million dollars a week. Wow,

492
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: you do the you do the math, and that's not narcotics.

493
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: That's nothing but human smuggling in one sector of nine

494
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Speaker 1: across the southwest border, you know. For and again my

495
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: Oklahoma math that that's over one point five billion dollars

496
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: a year in one sector that they're making. So you're

497
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: talking about an adversary that is well funded, unlimited resources,

498
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: and nothing but time to sit there and think about

499
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: how they're going to defeat whatever security measures we have

500
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Speaker 1: in place. And part of that is destabilizing the communities

501
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: and the governments in Mexico so that they can maintain

502
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: a foothold and keep an advantage. And that's been a

503
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: persistent problem for our partners over in Mexico for for years.

504
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very gentle way of saying it destabilize

505
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: the communities, as in, uh, if you're a the cops

506
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: in that town, you're going to die if you try

507
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: to take them on.

508
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I would. I would have conversations with my counterparts.

509
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: These they would be the Satana generals, or they would

510
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: be the colonels over some are and they would tell

511
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: you it's it's not that we don't want to respond

512
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: or we don't want to help out, it's just that

513
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: the life we're living down here is very different.

514
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: You know.

515
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: They they literally deal with at times, gun battles in

516
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: the streets, people that are being murdered, dismembered, there are,

517
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: there are legitimate threats to their families, and they go

518
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: out there and do the job. So you have to

519
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: you have to respect and empathize with the situation that

520
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: they're in. So I don't always buy into, oh, it's

521
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: just it's just a matter of corruption. Now, there's there's

522
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: a lot of factors that get taken into account that

523
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: I think any of us in that situation would be

524
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Speaker 1: faced with.

525
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, culturally, that's why we've got to hang on to

526
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: our culture of not having very much corruption, because man,

527
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: once you lose that, it's tough to turn it around.

528
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: That's rough.

529
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: So talking about it, talking about the border, when we

530
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: just say the border, we all assume the border between

531
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: US in Mexico, but you say, there's a lot more

532
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: going on between the United States and Canada, now the

533
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: longest defended border in the world.

534
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: It was always funny to me every time I would

535
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: talk to a member of Congress or staffers or in

536
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: many cases, reporters, and it still didn't get covered as

537
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: much as I would have liked. People forget, Yes, there's

538
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: about two thousand miles between US and Mexico, but there's

539
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: four thousand miles a border between US and Canada if

540
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: you don't count that vertical slash that Alaska shares, which

541
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: is another fifteen hundred miles. And oh, by the way,

542
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: we have thousands of miles of coast and most people

543
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: don't think about it in these terms. We actually share

544
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: a border, a coastal border with Russia because of Alaska.

545
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: So we have some legitimate things to think about in

546
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: vulnerabilities that exist along our multi borders and the threats

547
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: both state and non state actors that are out there,

548
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: and I think that deserves a space in the discussion

549
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: anytime we're talking about national security and especially border security,

550
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: because if you're going to resource an agency that's responsible

551
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: for keeping us safe, you have to take into account

552
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: all that they are responsible for, and not just one

553
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: piece that the mainstream media wants to focus on.

554
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: What percentage of border patrol is on the southern border

555
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: versus the northern border. Do you have any idea?

556
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: Typically about ninety percent of our workforce is deployed on

557
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: the southwest border. So if you can you can do

558
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: the math, roughly twenty thousand agents depending on the season

559
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: that we're in, you have ninety percent deployed down to

560
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: the Southwest border. And the rest are on the northern border,

561
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: are coastal sectors and in many cases overseas and our

562
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: ants offices.

563
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, if it ever becomes a real problem, or

564
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: maybe you're saying it already, is of things coming across

565
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: the Canadian border. I remember when I drove into Calgary

566
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: one time. I was headed up to Calgary, just crossing

567
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: on a two lane highway in the middle of nowhere.

568
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: There's basically nothing there. Showed them a driver's license and

569
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: drove in. That's all there was to it. How many

570
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: drugs are coming across the Canadian border at this point?

571
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea?

572
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: Well, and that's that's the million dollar question, so to speak.

573
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: That we get asked a lot of times what's getting away?

574
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: There's what we catch, and that's between us and the

575
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: Office of Field Operations that works at the ports of entry.

576
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: Ours is the job between the ports of entry. So

577
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: there's what we actually catch, what we may see and

578
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: are not able to get to. But then there's that

579
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: great void, that great unknown and that exists even along

580
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: the southwest border that a lot of people don't realize

581
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: as well. There's so much of the border that we

582
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: don't have persistent surveillance. We don't know what's coming across

583
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: or what's going on because we're not out there and

584
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: we don't have the technology. In today's age, it's hard

585
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: to imagine that there's actually still areas out there where

586
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 1: there's no cell coverage, there's no reception, and you need

587
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: that for the technology to be effective. So there's a

588
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: lot of spaces out there where we don't have that

589
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: situational awareness, and so we can't tell you with any

590
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: level of certainty what's coming across, what's getting away. And

591
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: that's one of the things I always said. It keeps

592
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: us up at night. It worries is because we know

593
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: the potential and you don't want to have something like

594
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: that happen on your watch.

595
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that is true. Jason Owen's twenty six chief

596
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: of the United States Border Patrol. Appreciate your time today.

597
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: That was very interesting stuff.

598
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: Good talking to you, Jack. Thanks for having me.

599
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: You bet you so. I first of all, when I

600
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: first started going down into Mexico, you could just cross

601
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: anywhere anytime with just a driver's license and then come

602
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: back across and it was no big deal whatsoever. And

603
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: I felt perfectly safe down there. Obviously times changed, and

604
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: so Canada today is about where Mexico was thirty forty

605
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: years ago. I wonder if some day it'll be the

606
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: same with Canada, where we have a really really pretty

607
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: heavy border presence and only a few places you can cross,

608
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: and lots of fencing and all that sort of stuff,

609
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: because just you got to stop drugs and stuff from

610
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: coming across. And I remember Tom Friedman wrote this quarter

611
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: of a century ago. It hasn't happened yet. Tom Friedman

612
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: of the New York Times, he said everything will change

613
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: with the border if a couple of guys with a

614
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: backpack come across and set off a dirty nuke somewhere,

615
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: which will probably happen someday. But if they trace it

616
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: back to a border crossing Mexico or Canada, all of

617
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: a sudden, the days of kind of having a porest

618
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: border will be over, and whatever amount of money needs

619
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: to be thrown at it will happen. You know, I'm

620
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: not looking forward to that happening, but I suppose it's

621
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: inevitable at some point when you have five thousand miles

622
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: of pretty much undefended border or north AnyWho, interesting topic.

623
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: We will finish strong next arm Strong Hetty.

624
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 5: Today we are witnessed to the largest drug offload in

625
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 5: Coast Guard history, a total of seventy six thousand, one

626
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 5: hundred and forty pounds of illegal narcotics. The sixty one thousand,

627
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 5: seven hundred and forty pounds of cocaine represent twenty three

628
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 5: million potentially lethal doses. That's enough to fatally overdose the

629
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 5: entire population of the state of Florida.

630
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: Man, some of these drug busts are really quite amazing. Um,

631
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: that's huge. Twenty three million potentially lethal doses of illegal narcotics,

632
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: sixty one thousand pounds of coke. I I don't know

633
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: what the popularity of cocaine is. I mean, I don't

634
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: run in any circles where I would have the slightest

635
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: idea versus pot. I mean because with drinking down, we're

636
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: a ninety year low for drinking, ninety year low for drinking,

637
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: which is astounding. Was it not tapering off for pot

638
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: and coke and meth and fentanyl and whatever else? Are

639
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: you all derelics are doing?

640
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: I know I have.

641
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 4: I have a couple of acquaintances that have stopped drinking

642
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: and are strictly stoners now.

643
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: Really so that was a trade one for the other.

644
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just one vice for something else.

645
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: You don't have to get up and pee. Is that

646
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: the main reason?

647
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 4: That's a solid thought? You know, you don't have to

648
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: break the seal or whatever it's.

649
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: Called or whatever it's called. Uh, yeah, I don't know.

650
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: I would think that with the headline after headline about

651
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: feentanyl and it takes a you know, the size of

652
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 4: a piece of salt, and all this could be mixed

653
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: into anything that that would deter you enough from any

654
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: form of powdered anything.

655
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe's always talking about that. I think it was

656
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 2: in the Atlantic, that big piece in the Atlantic about

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Speaker 2: there's no safe recreational drug use anymore. Not that it

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Speaker 2: was ever a good idea, but there was Back in

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Speaker 2: the day. If you were careful, you could find stuff

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Speaker 2: that was probably not you know, rat poison, it was

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Speaker 2: actually cocaine. But now there's nothing that's safe out there

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Speaker 2: because they there's so much money to be made by

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Speaker 2: putting fentanyl in it. Man, you are really risky. I

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Speaker 2: agree with you. I'm surprised anybody's willing to do it

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Speaker 2: with that risk out there. It's final thought, here's your

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Speaker 2: host for final thoughts because was on vacation in England.

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Speaker 2: Me Jack Armstrong, How are you, Jack, I'm good. Let's

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Speaker 2: get our first final thought from our technical director, Michael Angelo.

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Speaker 3: Michael, our topic about weight loss this past hour was

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Speaker 3: just I could relate to the yo yo dieting going up,

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Speaker 3: then down, then up, been down, and I'm sure I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna keep on doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frustrating in it. That's why I don't believe

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Speaker 2: in cheap days, because it's just I'm an all or

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Speaker 2: nothing guy. The first cheat, then I'm off to the races.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem. Anyway, Let's get a final thought from Katie,

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Speaker 2: Katie the news Lady.

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Speaker 4: I'll just to sticking with that topic. Drinking is also

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Speaker 4: another big problem for weight gain. Oh, if you're drinking

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Speaker 4: your calories, it's a lot easier.

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Speaker 2: Slows down your metabolism.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: When you lost lots of weight both times, did you

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Speaker 2: cut way back on drinking?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I would probably have like one at the

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Speaker 4: bar maybe a week.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's tough.

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Speaker 2: You don't eliminate all the fun stuff and left right

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Speaker 2: drinking cake, pizza, pizza exactly, Burgers, what the hell? Some days.

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Speaker 2: I have a really good, strict day, and I think, okay,

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Speaker 2: I had some nine green bread with low fat somewhere

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Speaker 2: else on it. And what is the point of being alive?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: What am I trying to do here? I'm Strong and

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Speaker 2: Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday. So many

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Speaker 2: people to think that work on the show here Michael

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Speaker 2: and Katie and Hanson. But I'll also you listening, and

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Speaker 2: if you'd like to hearing you about anything we talked

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Speaker 2: about today, probably find it at the website arm Strong

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Speaker 2: in Getty on Demand. Also buy some merch there if

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Speaker 2: you want to. If you want to rock the merch,

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time. God bless America. I'm Strong

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Speaker 2: and Getty. While Joey is away, Jack and Katie will

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Speaker 2: do Michael Angelo. But now it's time to go. It's

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Speaker 2: the end of the ship, but it's not the end

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Speaker 2: of our dead.

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Speaker 7: Of our part.

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Speaker 4: CAx stays on.

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Speaker 7: You only need it to.

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Speaker 2: Get along while we're on, like get down loaded. I'm

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Speaker 2: Strong and Getty often

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty