1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: hot Pursuit. 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: This is going to be another one of those different 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: audio recordings because Hannah is in a hotel room by 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: an airport or a Formula one track or something out 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: in Jetta in Saudi Arabia. I'm in my basement. I 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: just got back from a week long high school bro 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: trip to Colorado, so I'm kind of recovering at home. 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: But I'm good, and how are you? 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm good. I mean, look, we both want this to 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: happen because we really like it. It's really fun and 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm just happy to talk to you. I want to 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: hear all about your trip. I want to hear about 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: what you ended up renting. And yeah, I mean being 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia maybe sounds glamorous, but I'm literally sitting 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: on the floor with the laptop on a chair in 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: front of the telroom bed. It's basically You're right, it's 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: an airport hotel. 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: So why don't you start off by telling us why 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: you're there, what are you doing in Jetta, and what's 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: the Formula one layout look like? 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: So I'm in Jeta for a conference that Bloomberg is 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,279 Speaker 1: throwing and the conference is called Bloomberg Power Players Jetta 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: and Bloomberg throws these types of conferences around the world. 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: This one is focusing on the role of Saudi Arabia 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: in sports and just all of the investments that the 27 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: Saudis have made in tennis, golf, soccer, e sports, Formula 28 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: one of course, and so we're just talking about the 29 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: power players and the potential that is here and everything 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: that's happening. And of course, as everybody knows, the Saudi 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: Arabian Grand Prix is happening this weekend, and so the 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: conference is leading into the race this weekend, so everyone's 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: very excited. The conferences at the Jetta Yacht Club, which 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: is along the track, along where the track will be 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: once they finished building it. So yeah, it feels very 36 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: much in the thick of things. A lot of people 37 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: are excited. At this hotel. There were a bunch of 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: workers who are Formula one workers who set up the track. 39 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: It was like me and a hundred of those guys. 40 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: So it definitely feels like I'm right in the mix, 41 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: which is very cool. 42 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 2: I don't follow Formula one because I watch Moto GP 43 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: and that's kicking off this weekend, by the way, so 44 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: we're going to see fighting Mark Marquez riding a Ducati, 45 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: which I'm pretty pumped about. But in terms of Formula one, 46 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: what's the latest gossip? And to the soud East field 47 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: a team, you know, what's the deal with ineos, what's 48 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: the deal with drivers switching around? Just give us the 49 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: shorthand kind of the cliff. 50 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: Well, okay, the latest thing that everybody's talking about is 51 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: Christian Horner, of course, who's the team principle at red Bull, 52 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: who was accused of sending inappropriate texts and coercion of 53 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: lower ranking employee and there was an investigation which cleared 54 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 1: him of that, but then the texts and screenshots were 55 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: emailed to about two hundred people in the industry and out, 56 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: and so it appears he did send all of the 57 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: things that he said he didn't send. And there's quite 58 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: a movement spearheaded in part by Max for Staffin's dad 59 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: to call for Christian Horner's ouster from the team for 60 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: obvious reasons. And it's a really big deal because Red 61 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: Bull is of course winning everything, and Max for Staffan 62 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: is winning everything, and so there's a ton of drama 63 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: off the track right now in form one. Of course. 64 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: The other thing too is Christian Horner is married to 65 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: Ginger Spice, so it's a very high profile marriage. She 66 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: actually appeared with him on track hand in hand, so 67 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: she seems to be standing by her man for the 68 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: time being. But honestly, that's like the big, big drama 69 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: right now. Of course we know that, you know, Lewis 70 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: Hamilton's announcement that he's going to Ferrari is a really 71 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: big deal too, but that's like old news compared to 72 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: this Horner thing. 73 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so we're straying pretty far away from 74 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: the world with cars. Really, Yeah, let's get back to 75 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: that's the vehicles. I'm curious to know what you see 76 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: driving around there? What are you what did you rent 77 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: or what are you driving? What's hot right now? 78 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: And in Saudi Arabia, okay, a lot of really bashed 79 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: up Toyota, Camray's, Honda Accords. I mean there seemed to 80 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: be no obvious traffic rules or enforcement or indicating and 81 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 1: so it's truly it's like whoever has the more busted 82 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: up car gets gets priority in the lane. There are 83 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: some small trucks, like the kind of small sort of 84 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: lorries you might see in England or in elsewhere in Europe, 85 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: but no like big work trucks, no F one fifties, 86 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: no huge Dodge rams or anything like that. 87 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: I figure the high Lucks is probably a big product there. 88 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: I mean, just growing up watching talk here, I was 89 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: always convinced that the Toyota High Lucks was a truck 90 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: that was everywhere else but America, and probably definitely in 91 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia. 92 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: I think I think that's accurate. Definitely. I have not 93 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: seen a single electric vehicle. I spoke with someone who 94 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: said she owned Elucid, but apparently I haven't seen any. 95 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: And I was on the road for two hours today, 96 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: so not a lot of evs. 97 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: I really like bust up Lamborghinis everywhere rolls Royce's shakes 98 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: like with custom made cars for their falcons. You don't 99 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: see that. 100 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: No, the nicest car I've seen actually was a white 101 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: Jaguar F type and it really stood out because it 102 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: was by far the nicest car I've seen. And obviously 103 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: we know the supercars are here, but I don't think 104 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: they're being driven in like rush hour traffic. I definitely 105 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: did not see them. 106 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: I also assume in Saudi Arabia that everybody has like 107 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: dune buggy racers or you know, something to drive in 108 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: the desert. Isn't that like something that you know while 109 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: you're there. 110 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I'm going to report back to you 111 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: on that because after the conference, I'm going to go 112 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: on to Medina and then another town called Alula out 113 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: in the desert, and I'm expecting that there will be 114 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: the off road buggies and like cool desert stuff there. 115 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: So I'll have to get back to you on that, 116 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: but I know they're here. 117 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: I just need to get out there, so we'll get 118 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: some of that next week. I will just briefly tell 119 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: you that I out in Colorado rented on Touro for 120 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 2: the first time, so I wasn't sure what the experience 121 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: would be like, but I came away pretty pleasantly surprised 122 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: in terms of just the ease and convenience of it, 123 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: because you know, I just looked through the app picked 124 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: out like a lifted jeep with thirty seven inch tires 125 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: on it, and you know, clicked, rented it, picked it 126 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: up at the airport, dropped it off at the airport. 127 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: It was easy, it was it was definitely easier than 128 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: going to like Hertz. On the other hand, I didn't 129 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: see the selection of incredibly cool cars that I thought 130 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: I would. You know, I was looking for something special, 131 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: like a I don't know, like a twenty thirteen Boss 132 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: three H two Laguna Seka, you know those Mustangs, or 133 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: like some crazy lifted super duty truck, or you know, 134 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: just something weird or rare, and it doesn't seem like 135 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: Turo's necessarily the marketplace for that from that color Well, 136 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: I know it's in Colorado, but you know, there's a 137 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: lot of people in Denver, there's a lot of people 138 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: in Boulder. It's there's tons of Wall Street guys that 139 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: are working out of Veil on Steamboat Springs, So I 140 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: figured there'd be cool cars, but those obviously aren't the 141 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: people who are renting their cars on Touro. And I 142 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: realized what it is is either you have a fleet 143 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: of vehicles that you bought for cheap and you rent 144 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: them for a profit, or you're like a normal person 145 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: that got in way over your head on payments and 146 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: so you rent your car to help pay for it. 147 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: But it's not like, you know, there's some car enthusiasts 148 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: or collectors who are renting out their proudest possessions obviously. 149 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I don't know anyone who would do that, 150 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: who actually had a cool car that liked it. 151 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 2: No. I mean I just got excited because you've got 152 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: that Tesla cybertruck, and so I figured there must be 153 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: no people with awesome stuff like I would love to 154 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: see a lucid Air, for example. I would jump on 155 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: that in a heartbeat. 156 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: That'd be really cool. Do you mind if I ask 157 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: how much you paid Toro Rento? 158 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: No? So I realized there weren't going to be any 159 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: special or different cars, and then I thought, Okay, it's Colorado, 160 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: so let me look at Jeeps and Broncos. Right. The 161 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: Broncos were a little bit a higher price. I guess 162 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: they're more special, right because it's newer, and there just 163 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: aren't as many as there are for wranglers. So those 164 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: were like one hundred ten to one hundred and fifty 165 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: dollars a day. The wranglers I found for much less. 166 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: I think I ended up getting the one that we 167 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: drove for the week for eighty five dollars a day. 168 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: But the thing that Turo does that really grinds my 169 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: gears is when you're searching, they say, Okay, this car 170 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 2: is you know, four hundred for the week, not including 171 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: taxes and fees. Well why not they had the technology 172 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: to include taxes and fees and the little quote that 173 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: they give you at the bottom of the screen. Because 174 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: I'm going through these cars and I'm saying like four 175 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: hundred four to fifty five hundred a week, and then 176 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: when I get to finally pay, it's like seven hundred 177 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: or eight hundred because they tack on so much, like 178 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: they should show that straight away instead of hitting me 179 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: with it after I finally clicked through the whole process. 180 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: So how did the Jeep perform for you? Like during 181 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: the actual trip. 182 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: It was the perfect vehicle to be honest. I mean, 183 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: you've got to drive when you fly to Denver and 184 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 2: ski and Veil, You've got to drive two hours out 185 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: to Veil from the airport, So that part is kind 186 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: of it's not great with a lifted Jeep and thirty 187 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 2: seven inch you know, M and T tires on it. 188 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: But once we got there, I was able to drive 189 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: over everything and it wasn't so bad on the highway. 190 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: Like the first day that we were driving around, it 191 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: had just dumped a lot of snow, so other vehicles 192 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: were you know, stuck or running off the road, and 193 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: we were enjoying ourselves. It was it was a pretty 194 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: pleasant experience. I mean, I know what it's like to 195 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: drive a Jeep. I've driven jeeps a lot, and usually 196 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: the first day it's stressful, and then you get used 197 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 2: to it. And now going back to a regular car 198 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: is going to be kind of boring because the steering 199 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: doesn't like center itself, so you have to kind of 200 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: do a little bit more work. But I think it 201 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 2: ends up being fun because it's more interactive. 202 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally get that. Did they actually plow the 203 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: roads or was there snow actually on the road. 204 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: The first day that we drove out of Vail, we 205 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: went west to the Iron Mountain Hot Springs, and they 206 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: hadn't plowed the roads yet, so it was crazy. But 207 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: otherwise every day they were on it. I mean, you know, 208 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: in Colorado, they're used to it, so they do a 209 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: pretty good job. It was a it was a good trip. 210 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: So are you saying that you went to Hot Springs 211 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: with like five of your bros. 212 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: Yes, well, well we're all It grows and you know, 213 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: I was actually thinking about this. It was after a 214 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: couple of days of skiing, and we were just beat. 215 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: Me and my friends, who are all around the age 216 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: of fifty, were like an internal combust engine that needs 217 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: a lot of maintenance. You know, it needs to be 218 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: properly lubricated. You know, you've got to warm it up 219 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 2: before you can really get on it. But it's not 220 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: like we're carburetors. We still have fuel injection, and it's 221 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: not like handstarters, like we have an electric starter, you know. 222 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: But the kids that we saw on the mountain, like 223 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: the fifteen year old kids, they're like evs without even 224 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 2: a start button. I mean, they were just going off. 225 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: It was pretty great. We got a couple feet of snow, 226 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: and yeah, I had a good time. I'm glad we 227 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: left with no injuries. 228 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: Would you use Touro again. 229 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: I will definitely use Touro again. But I just don't 230 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: find as much selection as I would have liked in Denver, 231 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: And so then I started looking around New York City. 232 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: It's equally bleak. I would say, maybe there's a place 233 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: where Touro thrives and has an incredible collection of vehicles 234 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: that you can choose from. I just I just not 235 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: finding the sort of special, rare, unique cars that I 236 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: was looking for. I would find them if I went 237 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: to Amelia Island last weekend, which I know you did, 238 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: or did you go to Moti Miami or did you 239 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: do both? 240 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: That that was a killer segue, Thank you. I actually 241 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: went to Mota Miami, and I was very curious to 242 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: see I mean, We've talked about this a little bit, 243 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: but I'm so curious to see what this new event 244 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: would be like. And it was really fun. You know, 245 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: there's a lot to talk about here because you've got 246 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: the auctions, which are kind of a separate thing, and 247 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: then you've got the event itself, and then you've got 248 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: just sort of like Miami versus Amelia Island. So there 249 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: are a lot of layers to it. 250 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: Well, let's just let's remind listeners that Amelia Island is 251 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: the classic concor It's got a ton of auctions at it. 252 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: It's one of the events, like if you're a big 253 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: rich car person, this is one of the of the 254 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: must see or must attend events of the year. And 255 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: this year somebody split off and decided to do another 256 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: event in Miami, which is like four hundred miles away, right, 257 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: And so we were wondering will the big collectors be 258 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: faithful to Amelia Island and to I guess Haggerty, which 259 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: is just bought the event, or will they go off 260 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: to Miami with the upstart with Rob What happened. 261 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: So, you know, as you'll recall, Haggerty's auction house, Broad 262 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: Arrow took over sort of the dominant auction side at 263 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: Amelia Island, which effectively forced arm Southeby's out. So Rob Myers, 264 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: who's the head of arm Southeby's, like you said, started 265 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: his own Concore four hundred miles south in Miami during 266 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: the same weekend, which forced everyone to kind of pick 267 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: except for a few very wealthy or motivated people who 268 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: did actually end up doing both, which seems like a lot. 269 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: But I have to say, you know, actually Gooding in 270 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: Company reported the highest sales for the weekend in terms 271 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: of the auctions, and broad Eero was number two. So 272 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: Amelia Island, I don't think in terms of auction results 273 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: did not suffer at all. RM Sotheby's was number three 274 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: for the weekend and Bottoms was four. So every analyst 275 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: that I spoke with said, look splitting the weekend between 276 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: Miami and a Millia Island. It actually didn't affect auction 277 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: results at all. People still you can know, you can 278 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: obviously still bid by phone. Cars got bought, cars got sold. 279 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: It's a little volatile right now. But really the split 280 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: didn't affect the auction results. I think where the split 281 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: did affect people is in terms of which cars were 282 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: displayed where, and like you say, Matt, this was really 283 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, these are a million island is where you 284 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: show your five million dollars perfect goal wing or your 285 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: packard or your Dusenburg. So Rob did a good job. 286 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: He got eight former Pebble Beach winners on the lawn 287 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: at Moda Miami, which was a pretty big deal. But 288 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, the people at Amelia had some great showers too. 289 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: They had to clash just for roof Porschas and had 290 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: fourteen roofs on the lawn at the same time, which yeah, 291 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: I thought, I don't think there have ever been fourteen 292 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: roofs together. So that's that's impressive. You know. I have 293 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: to say, Miami, I found as a venue was a 294 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: lot easier and more fun than Amelia Island, just because 295 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: of logistics. Amelia Island is like forty five minutes outside 296 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: of Jacksonville. There's not a whole lot to do there 297 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: besides the concor and Miami's Miami as you know, so 298 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: it's interesting. You know, there were some missteps at MODA. 299 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: I think, you know, there was supposed to be a 300 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: night concre that didn't really pan out like I thought 301 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: it was going to pan out. They there was still 302 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: a night event, but they didn't have the cars lit, 303 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: so I you know, I think they that may have 304 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: fallen through a bit. 305 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: But people whole bunch of cars, Like it looked like 306 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 2: you were in like a at night, a garage. It 307 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: looked like you were in some kind of industrial building 308 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: and you were walking past a number of black like rolls, 309 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: royces and stuff. What was that? 310 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: Oh? That was actually an art show in Los Angeles. 311 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: That was a show for a Freeze week that a 312 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: friend through and that was just basically like an art 313 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: installation of so nothing random black cars, which the cars 314 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: weren't significant really other than just being black. But I 315 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: did think it was cool. 316 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: I see, so that's just Hannah Elliott's life. 317 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: So that was separate. 318 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: Like I saw pictures of you with Lake bell as 319 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: well at a dinner party. So that's this is just 320 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: how you live in LA. 321 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: We love Lake and she has graciously said that she 322 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: would like to be on, so we're working on her scheduling. 323 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: But Lake is a very astute car collector and enthusiast herself, 324 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: so I think we really want to get her on 325 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: to talk to us. I guess her her taste, Matt 326 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: runs very close to yours, you know, with sort of 327 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: this sort of Pontiac trans am firebird, that wheelhouse, so 328 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: you guys would have a lot to talk about. 329 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 2: Love it all right, So I just want to finish 330 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: with the with the auction because you wrote a good 331 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: story about it for Bloomberg, and I thought there was 332 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: an interesting, I don't know if discrepancy is the right 333 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: word anomaly in terms of the numbers, because this year, 334 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: total sales of all the auctions, the Florida auctions over 335 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: the weekend was one hundred and eighty six million in change, 336 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: so that's actually a little bit more from last year 337 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: it was one hundred and seventy eight million, so just 338 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: a very little bit more. But last year the average 339 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: price of a car I noticed was higher four hundred 340 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: and forty nine thousand dollars was the average, and this 341 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: year the average price of a car was three hundred 342 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: and eighty five thousand dollars, so I guess they sold 343 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: far more vehicles this year than they did last year. 344 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: Yes, and there's also this thing emerging that is sort 345 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: of the natural turnover of generations, where we are seeing 346 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: fewer and fewer significant cars from the fifties and sixties 347 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: sell and more and more significant cars from the nineties 348 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: and two thousands, and those cars, the later model cars, 349 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: I don't think they've actually matured with their price values, 350 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: so those tend to be they're on the rise and 351 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: they're gaining popularity, but they haven't really hit their peak 352 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: numbers yet, so I think that's also holding down the 353 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: number of the average transaction price. It's really interesting. Of course, 354 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: we still see you know, the racing Porsches from the 355 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: sixties and the Ferraris from the sixties still obviously selling well, 356 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: they're at the top. This nineteen oh three Mercedes Simplex 357 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: that sold for twelve point one million dollars was the 358 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: top seller of the weekend, so obviously that's a very 359 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: old car. But then you start to see some Bugattis 360 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: slipping some land. Newer bugattash is slipping. Newer bugattis yes, exactly. 361 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so newer Bugatti is selling. 362 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, from you know, after two thousand. 363 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, not the type thirty five or whatever exactly. And 364 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: you've got like a two thousands Ferrari right six twelve 365 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 2: that went way higher than the estimate. Obviously, Lamborghini's there's 366 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: a lot of kind of a rat Radwood stuff as 367 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 2: well that was selling, which is I guess a new 368 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: what what's Radwood like a new festival where people dress 369 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: like the nineties and by nineties cars. 370 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: Yes. Radwood is also owned by Haggarty and it's a 371 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: series of car shows where, yes, you dress like you're 372 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: from the eighties and you drive your eighties car or 373 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: like you're just quirky oddball car from you know, a 374 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: late model collectible car or non collectible and it's just 375 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: like a lot of me on and a lot of 376 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: synthesizer music, and it's just people having fun with their cars, 377 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: which is really great and honestly a lot of those 378 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: cars are cool. And speaking of I'm starting to see 379 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: a ton of vectors around. I don't know if you're 380 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: into vectors at all, Matt But that's another model that 381 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're just sort of showing up. 382 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: So there's definitely this pull for like you know, nineteen 383 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: ninety era and later cars that it's happening. 384 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: Let's get to the new Dodge charger, because they introduced 385 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 2: it this week, and I think expectations were pretty low 386 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: after the concept was shown, which had such a long 387 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 2: name that I can't even remember, but it was something like, uh, 388 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: Daytona charger, Banshee or whatever. Now they've introduced, oh, the 389 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: new the new charger, what it's actually going to look like, 390 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: and I think it looks fantastic. I don't know your thoughts. 391 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: I'd love to hear him. I sent you a little 392 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 2: video like Edmund's video doing you know the intro, but 393 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: I've watched every single one. It looks fairly similar to 394 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 2: the old car, to the old Challenger, I think. But 395 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: you can have it in two door or four door, 396 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: you can have it in electric or gas. Not a 397 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: V eight but an in line six. And I'm I'm 398 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: a I'm a taker. I like it a lot. 399 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: I'm I'm very surprised number one that you're not throwing 400 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: a tantrum about not getting a V eight. I'm shocked. Actually, well, 401 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: I have one. 402 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: I have one. 403 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: Secondly, but don't aren't you on principle, you know, disturbed 404 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: that just in general, you can't get a charger with 405 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: a V eight anymore. I mean, I I thought you'd 406 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: be outraged. 407 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 2: Frankly, I don't really understand why. I don't mind it, 408 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: because I've driven that new motor, the Hurricane in line six, 409 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 2: in other vehicles and I like it a lot. So 410 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that and it doesn't take away 411 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: too much from the experience. Obviously, it's a different motor 412 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: than a V eight, but it's not like, yeah, cold 413 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: or weak or small, feeling like it's powerful and it's 414 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: full and it's warm. The other thing is, I'm happy 415 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: to have the power and performance of a hybrid in 416 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 2: this new car, and I can't wait until they come 417 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 2: out with one. That won't be until next year. I'm 418 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: confused though, as to why Dodge made this decision, because 419 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 2: Ford is still making V eights in the Mustang and 420 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: Farley came out like a couple weeks ago and basically said, dude, 421 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 2: we're gonna make these until they stop us. And Prusia 422 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 2: recently said kind of the same thing about the nine 423 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 2: to eleven. Obviously not a V eight, but they said, listen, 424 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: we're gonna make fast internal combustion engines until regulators like 425 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 2: you know, shoot us, right, so everybody's going back. You know, 426 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: Mercedes recently moved back if they said they're going to 427 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: stop making ice cars by twenty thirty and recently never mind, yeah, exactly, 428 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: never mind. I don't know why Dodge, which is like 429 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: the bad boy of the car world, right, if somebody 430 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: is gonna get detention, it's Dodge. 431 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: I don't know where the headline. 432 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: Would be the one group. You know, GM is still 433 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: making the VHS too, Why would Dodge be the one 434 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 2: group that says we're not going to do it anymore. 435 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not even into Dodge necessarily, and 436 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: I'm kind of annoyed by it. So, you know the 437 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: other thing, I'm just looking at this video you sent me, Matt, 438 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: and it looks very smooth out like the body design 439 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: looks super smooth, and it's tough. Obviously it's tough to 440 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: tell from video what a car looks like in real life. 441 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: But I'm a little bit worried that it's gonna just 442 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: look a bit bland. Do you have that concerned at all? 443 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 2: Well, I love the way it looks, and I know 444 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: what you're saying. And actually the CEO of Dodge, Tim Kiniskus, 445 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: made a comment to that point. He said something like, 446 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: we're not gonna just make another melted jelly bean like 447 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 2: everybody else. I mean, everybody from Toyota to BMW seems 448 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: to have lost their stylist. Although I do look I 449 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: five that I drove, Otherwise it seems like it's just 450 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: a blob, like they're not making interesting shapes. I think 451 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 2: this is different because it looks more like a muscle car. 452 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: And Caniscus said they took absolutely zero steps to make 453 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: it more efficient, so any efficiency that they've got out 454 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: of this design is purely by chance. They're gonna have 455 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: I think four hundred and ninety six horsepower in the 456 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: entry level trim, the r T, and then the scat 457 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 2: pack is going to have six hundred and seventy horse power, 458 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: and you know, eventually you'll have a Banshee that has 459 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 2: nine hundred or a thousand horse power or more. They've 460 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: got a rival lucid Air with that two hundred and 461 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 2: thirty four horse power vehicle. So I think the future 462 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: looks brighter for Dodge this week than I thought last week. 463 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: Basically, Okay, another question for you. How do you feel 464 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: about the light band across the front and the back, 465 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: like just the band of light led looking lights. 466 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 2: So I've evolved on this because I have oka. I 467 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: never liked it before, and I think the most famous 468 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: example of a light band is the nine to eleven 469 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: Careerra four right or four s. 470 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least that hip. Yeah. 471 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: Well, now Porsche's doing it on everything, and I didn't 472 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: like it back in the day when I was shopping 473 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: for a nine to eleven and ten or fifteen years ago, 474 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 2: I thought I don't want that, But now I love 475 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: it on you know, the new Macon has it, and 476 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 2: the kay and everything has it, and I'm starting to 477 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: like it better. I like the new symbol that Dodge 478 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 2: has and I'm excited to hear what the fake sound 479 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: sounds like. 480 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: Excited, scared, yes exactly. 481 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: I might hate it, but I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty 482 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: psyched about this new charger. And they're not going to 483 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: use the Challenger name, by the way, so they'll have 484 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: a two door and a four door charger, But Challenger, 485 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: I guess they're just keeping in their back pocket for 486 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 2: another day. 487 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: Have they said when they're going to get some cars delivered. 488 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: No, And I actually just wrote to the company, to 489 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: the people who are in charge of the fleet to ask. 490 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: You know, there are new trucks out too, ram trucks, 491 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 2: and those are going to be coming much sooner than 492 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 2: the chargers. So I don't know when I want to 493 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 2: be able to drive it, but hopefully soon, and hopefully 494 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't make me regret buying my Challenger last year, 495 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, and one to trade up. I don't 496 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: think that's gonna happen. 497 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: I doubt it. I mean, yours is a V eight exactly. 498 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: Mine is a big combustion V eight, three hundred and 499 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: ninety two cubic inches I think, four leaders and it 500 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 2: is a lot of fun to drive. But it won't 501 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: be nearly as fast as these cars, and it won't 502 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 2: be nearly as agile. I mean, they're still heavy, right. 503 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 2: The new charger weighs almost six pounds, but it's got 504 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: sixteen inch rotors and six piston brakes at least in 505 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 2: the front, so it'll stop. It's usually you know, in 506 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: the age of electric cars, the speed and the agility 507 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: isn't as much as we thought it was gonna be. 508 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: Right without the sound and the shifting gears and the 509 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: whole visceral experience, it's just not as great. I will 510 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: say again though, that the BMW I five totally blew 511 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: me away and I can't wait to drive it again. 512 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: So at least there's one electric car out there that 513 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: I really want to be behind the wheel of. 514 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: This is good. No, So that's like two from BMW 515 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: for you, because you love the Ix. 516 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: As well, exactly. I think those are two of the 517 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: best cars to choose from right now. If you care 518 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: about driving and you want an electric car, those are 519 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 2: two I would choose. I will say, I haven't driven 520 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: the Tychon. I'm sure you've driven it. I'm sure it's amazing. 521 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: Why never been behind the wheel? No, I haven't driven it, Matt. 522 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: Is it good? 523 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: Oh well? Oh yes, this needs to change definitely. And 524 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: you know they're bringing out the electric Macon this spring. 525 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: You know they're going to have press drives in April, 526 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: so now we're going to have a second obviously it's 527 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: an suv, but yeah, you definitely need to get in 528 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: a tycan because you're going to have to drive the 529 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: electric Maccon soon after, so I want to. 530 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: I really do want to drive a tychon just to 531 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: see what it's like. I'm excited for Matt Farrah to 532 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: get an electric McCann because I listened to his podcast 533 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: at the Smoking Tire and he's ordered one. And then 534 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: I really want to hear more details about the nine 535 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: to eleven. Is it going to be a facelift? Are 536 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: we going to see any serious changes? I mean, we're 537 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: starting to learn more and more about about the evolution 538 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 2: of this car this year, right, We're going to see 539 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: something new this year in terms of nine to eleven. 540 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: Yes, we are. And I know we've talked about this before, 541 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: whether it's going to be a hybrid. You know, there's 542 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: room in the engine bay for that. They've said never electric, 543 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: but you know, maybe hybrid. I don't have any fresh 544 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: insight on that. Every time I see those guys, I 545 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: ask them and they're Germans, so they're very good at, 546 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: you know, following the rules and keeping it a secret. Man. 547 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't know. I don't 548 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: want to say because I don't want to get it wrong. 549 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: I feel like you know more than your watch. But 550 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: we'll we'll learn. I guess we'll learn more details as 551 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: the year goes on. What have you got planned, Tanna 552 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: for for this week coming up? Is there anything fun? 553 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: Yes? So the power Play conference where I'll be moderating 554 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: a panel on e sports, and then after that, I'm 555 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: going to fly to Medina and then drive out into 556 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: the desert to a hotel called called Habitas, which is 557 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: in an old ancient city called Alula. They say this 558 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: hotel has a reputation for sort of being like a 559 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: burning Man style hotel, which will be interesting in a 560 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: country that doesn't allow alcohol or drugs. So I'm very 561 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: curious what burning man means in Saudi Arabia. But I'll 562 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: be reporting on that for pursuits, and then after that 563 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: it's back to La for me. I've got a few 564 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: Mercedes I'm gonna drive. It's my dad's seventieth birthday coming up, 565 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: so my whole family's coming into town. 566 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: Nay, mister Elliott, I know. 567 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: I know, I'm very excited. Seventy is a big one 568 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: for him. So yeah, what about you. 569 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 2: I don't have anything humongous planned in terms of driving. 570 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to getting into the new BMW S 571 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: six next week, the Extrave forty I, so it'll be 572 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: the you know, the base in line six. But I 573 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: think that's a really great motor, so I'm excited to 574 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: drive it, and to be honest with you, I think 575 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go and hang around BMW and see 576 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: if I can get a little bit more see time 577 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: in the I five, because I was really so excited 578 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: about it when I finally got to drive it, but 579 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: it was the end of my loan when I really 580 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: opened it up. I don't think I appreciated it enough, 581 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 2: so a try and do more on that? 582 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: Wow you, I mean, I don't think i've ever heard 583 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: you say you're going to go back to a car 584 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: you've just driven and given back. 585 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: Well, the only other time I've done it is with 586 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: the IX, to be honest with you, so I had 587 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: that for a week and I did this is. Yeah, 588 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 2: I didn't pay enough attention to it, so I asked 589 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: if I could try it again. I think, you know, 590 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: I think they're doing a really good job with their 591 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 2: electric cars, and other than the M two, I'm not 592 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: really blown away by their ice cars right now. It's 593 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: kind of the opposite of Mercedes, because Okay, they did 594 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: a great job with their electric cars, but I don't 595 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 2: think they really stand out, and they're coming out with 596 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: some amazing gas vehicles. The other thing is they have 597 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 2: a new SL sixty three AMG that I really want 598 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 2: to try. So there's a lot out there. 599 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,959 Speaker 1: Yes, that's an amazing car. Yeah, that's an amazing car. 600 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 1: The problem I have with Mercedes right now is, to 601 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: your point, so many of their internal combustion engine vehicles 602 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: are really good, and they're all kind of similar, and 603 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: they really blur together, and even for me, whose job 604 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: it is to keep them straight, sometimes it can be 605 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: difficult to keep them straight. Did I drive the gl 606 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: E or was it the gl something else? And Truel 607 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: is really good AMG. 608 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pumped. Apparently it's like a two plus two 609 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: instead of just two seats up front, And I get 610 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 2: what you're saying about. You know, the setup is the 611 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: same across the entire model lineup, But as long as 612 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 2: it's a four liter V eight with two turbos on it, 613 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to be pretty happy about it. Well, I 614 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 2: think that does it for this week. We'll be back 615 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 2: at the same time, same place. 616 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: Now you know. 617 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 2: Are we back? 618 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: Please send us an email if you haven't, we'd love 619 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: to hear from you. 620 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: Hot pursuit at bloomberg dot net. 621 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: Yes, Hot pursuit at Bloomberg dot net. 622 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 2: All right, shoot us an email and we'll see you 623 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 2: next week. 624 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is 625 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg