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Speaker 2: Every day clicks up the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: Finish for y'all done morning.

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Speaker 3: Everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy we

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Speaker 3: are the breakfast Club. La La Rosa is here as well.

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Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building.

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Speaker 4: He's at our table.

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Speaker 5: He's an attorney.

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Speaker 3: He's a politician and is the former chair of the

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Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, we have Jamie Harrison.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you, thank you all so much

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Speaker 2: for how are you, my Caroline bread Man. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. You know, I'm not traveling as much like

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Speaker 2: shuddling the kids back and forth from uh soccer practice

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Speaker 2: and swimming lessons and violin lessons and all that other stuff.

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Speaker 2: Now I can just be a dad. And then I

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Speaker 2: got my podcast stuff, so you know, it's it's it's different,

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Speaker 2: but it's good to be able to be at home

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Speaker 2: with my kids and my wife and and you know,

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Speaker 2: of course, my blood pressure still goes up when all

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Speaker 2: those I see all this crazy shit it's happening.

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Speaker 6: How do politicians adjust when you that transition, Like, do

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Speaker 6: you ever fully just relax?

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Speaker 2: It's a hard adjustment. It really is, because you when

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Speaker 2: the storm, like all you know is how to deal

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Speaker 2: with like buckling down for that. And so when you

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Speaker 2: get a time where it's sort of peaceful, you don't

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Speaker 2: know what to do with yourself, right, And so you

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Speaker 2: get online and you start seeing things and it starts

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Speaker 2: stirring you up, and you just get a little unhinged.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm just happy that I got this, you know,

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Speaker 2: podcast and all this other stuff that I'm doing. Is

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Speaker 2: it gives me an outlet to get some of that out,

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Speaker 2: because otherwise, I mean, I just I'll be bouncing off

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Speaker 1: And what you saw yourself doing after being formed of

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Speaker 2: You know what, Charlete, I didn't know what the hell

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Speaker 2: I wanted to do. I mean, I had hoped that

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris would have won. And she say, Jamie, why'd

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Speaker 2: you go be ambassador over there? I don't know, there's

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Speaker 2: some you know, Yeah, so somewhere, you know, my wife

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Speaker 2: and I can relax and invit y'all over, you know,

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Speaker 2: one of those I'll be fifty next year. I'm at

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Speaker 2: one of those midlife not a crisis, but a crossroads,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you're just trying to figure out what

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Speaker 2: And the one thing I like a Democrat.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I've the whole party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're You're right, it is a whole party. But

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Speaker 2: you know, the one thing I do know is and

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Speaker 2: and this is the you know, it's like ten toes

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to allow my sons to grow up

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Speaker 2: Because more a little by little, every day we see

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Speaker 2: something new. But that's that's my one commitment that I

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Speaker 2: know that I am definitely set on. You know, we've

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Speaker 5: The chair of the DNC. What was your position? What

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Speaker 5: was your job?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the chair of the DNC is very

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Speaker 2: don't have the White housees break it down. So the

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Speaker 2: Democratic National Committee is, in essence, it's the organization, a

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Speaker 2: national organization for the Democratic Party. We've got fifty seven

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Speaker 2: they all work with me. Now I'm not their boss.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of a partnership but collaboration. And what we

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Speaker 2: Like instead of people say, well, you're the chair of

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Speaker 2: he doesn't have a boss, right, because there's nobody in

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Speaker 2: the white House. When you have the White House, the

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Speaker 2: have the White House, it is very diffuse, is broken down.

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Speaker 2: And so what you do at the DNC is you

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Speaker 2: that take place, like the door knockers, whether they're going

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Speaker 2: that needs to. But all of those things that you

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Speaker 3: So there was always rumored that the DNC were the

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Speaker 3: ones that you know, quote unquote picked who they wanted.

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Speaker 2: To be and that's that's a bunch of belonging to

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Speaker 2: stop it, Jamie Man.

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Speaker 5: But that's what they say, that they picked somebody who president.

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Speaker 2: I am telling you truth, tell me the power I

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Speaker 2: have to pick if I'm the DNC chair, what what

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Speaker 2: power do I have the pick? Like people say, well,

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Speaker 2: you could have told Joe Biden to not run like seriously.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, said I could have.

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Speaker 2: I could have. And do you think he would have listened?

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Speaker 2: your point, he didn't listen. Somebody did listen to him.

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Speaker 2: He did listen to somebody. Finally, No, I think everybody

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Speaker 2: should have told him earlier. I think ultimately what the

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Speaker 2: party apart. And I don't want that to be on me.

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Speaker 1: Stop it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not You're not beholding to them.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not about being beholden to too old.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knew he was too old, But Charlotte, he should

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Speaker 1: have been a transitional president from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Charlotte, Man, I get all of that. I get all

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Speaker 2: of that, But you know what, somebody should have stepped up.

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Speaker 2: If people thought that Joe Biden was too old, then

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Speaker 2: some real people should have stepped up and said, you

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Speaker 4: But.

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Speaker 1: Y'all kick him out.

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Speaker 2: Look is Dean feeling serious? It don't matter?

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Speaker 1: No, No, honest, Jamie, you're acting like that is you're

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Speaker 1: acting like that is the normal process of things. Yes,

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Speaker 1: just challenge the sitting president. You know, y'all you know

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Speaker 2: But well you're telling me, you're saying, well, that's not

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Speaker 2: the normal, And you're saying, is it normal for the

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Speaker 2: DNC chair to say, mister President, you need to sit down?

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Speaker 1: Yes, nor no, No, If George Clooney can say it,

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Speaker 1: taple book I read the book said everybody walked up

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Speaker 2: That's a bunch of you were That's a bunch of bullshit.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that, jameis but why don't you believe me?

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Speaker 5: Tell people that don't know what happened.

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Speaker 1: He said that Jake tapping. Alex Thompson wrote in that book,

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Speaker 1: Original Sitting that Biden shook the d n C chair

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Speaker 1: at the time, Jamie Harrison's and and didn't recognize who

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Speaker 2: Jam I said that it's bullshit, because it was bullshit

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Speaker 2: every time that Joe Biden, see Joe Biden always related

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Speaker 2: me to Jim Claburn, right, So every no, but every time,

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Speaker 2: because you know, Joe and Jim have a really close relationship.

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Speaker 2: Now they trust each other in all, and so every

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Speaker 2: time he's gonna be like, how's Jim doing? And you

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Speaker 2: know every single time that's the that's his lead all

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Speaker 2: question how's Jim doing? And tell Jim he needs to

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Speaker 2: give me a call every single time. And so it's

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Speaker 2: what's present. By no, yes, I mean he was damn old.

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Speaker 2: But when you take a look at it, Charlet Mane,

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Speaker 2: when you look at what this man was trying to do,

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Speaker 2: I'd rather take an old Joe Biden on a respirator

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Speaker 2: right now than a goddamn Donald Trump right now, who's

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Speaker 2: destroying this country.

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Speaker 1: Rhetoric, that type of rhetoric is exactly why y'all lost.

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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is America shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: to choose between Donald Trump. Well, then people, I should

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Speaker 1: have to choose between authoritarian regime, authoritarian strategy, and an

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Speaker 2: Charlotte man you you you can't. You can't win something

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Speaker 1: And if Joe Biden would have said, hey, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: four years, that would have gave you as then been

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Speaker 2: But he didn't, right, That's right. We could have. If

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Speaker 2: not happen. So when when that did not happen, then

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Speaker 2: It's like you're playing spade, right man. If that would

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Speaker 2: could have won that hand. No, you play without you

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Speaker 2: play with a hand that you dealt with, right. And

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Speaker 2: so in the end of the day, Joe Biden decided

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Speaker 2: So therefore that is the horse that you have to ride.

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Speaker 1: Do you put any blame on the Democratic Party because

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Speaker 1: there clearly was a lot of people who saw decline

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Speaker 1: and decided not to say anything. But if they would

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that, to be quite honest, Charlotte Mane.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the reason why you elect the president is

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Speaker 2: to get shit done, right, that's the reason, not because

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Speaker 2: they look good in the suit, not because they're young

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Speaker 2: or old or whatever. It's to get stuff done. And

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Speaker 2: if you take a look objectively speaking, you take a

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Speaker 2: look at all that Joe Biden got done legislatively, and

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Speaker 2: you compare it, compare it to Ronald Reagan, you can

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Speaker 2: compare it to George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 2: There has not been a president that got more done

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Speaker 2: legislative than any president since Lyndon Bainshahnson.

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Speaker 1: I agree, right, but getting things done don't win campaign sadlling, but.

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Speaker 2: But that's why you send somebody to Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: To get stuff done for you, to do stuff for

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Speaker 2: contrast now of somebody who doesn't get things done or

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Speaker 2: gets things done that actually hurts people, like like, why

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Speaker 2: battleship to get the party to understand like where things

436
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Speaker 2: are going and what you got to do. And so

437
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Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to start when I was DNC chair.

438
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Speaker 2: I wanted to start a YouTube channel called DTV where

439
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Speaker 2: we could have had shows at the DNC. We had

440
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Speaker 2: this beautiful studio in the basement of the DNC where

441
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Speaker 2: we could have shows and we can bring in the

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Speaker 2: Jasmine Crocketts of the AOCS and all that, and different

443
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Speaker 2: voices in the party that reflected the diversity of party

444
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Speaker 2: and talk about our stuff in our own words. But

445
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Speaker 2: I got from some of the folks in the White House, well,

446
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Speaker 2: we shouldn't spend resources on.

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Speaker 4: That, right.

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Speaker 1: How come Merrick Garland doesn't get any smoke.

449
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Speaker 2: He should get plenty of smoke. I wish, I wish

450
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Speaker 2: Doug Jones would have. I thought that was the biggest

451
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Speaker 2: mistake of the Biden administration, appointing Merrick Garland. And it's

452
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Speaker 2: because we always want to be like the above the fray.

453
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Speaker 2: We always want to be like, well, let's do it

454
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Speaker 2: by the book, let's do it academic. But sometimes shit,

455
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Speaker 2: you got to fight, right, yeah, you just you just

456
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Speaker 2: got to fight. And I wish Doug Jones or somebody

457
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Speaker 2: of that ILK would have been the attorney general because

458
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Speaker 2: Mary Garland was awful. He was abysmally awful.

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Speaker 1: He didn't investigate the Epstein FI dropped the ball and

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Speaker 1: indicted Trump too late on January sixth, because he didn't

461
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Speaker 1: want to seem.

462
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Speaker 2: Too get political.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Trump and Trump's out here like I'm locking all

464
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Speaker 1: y'all up, like in all my political.

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Speaker 2: Chris Christy Bolton, everybody, Obama dog.

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Speaker 1: I mean, why weren't y'all saying things like that?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: Like why when at the head and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: you even got to say it publicly?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, Well then listen, there were times in

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Speaker 2: which you know, I said to the prison or said

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Speaker 2: to the Vice president, or said to the staff certain

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Speaker 2: things like, you know, I remember having conversation with Anita

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Speaker 2: Donne on the TikTok stuff. I was like, that is

475
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Speaker 2: dumb as hell for us in an election cycle to

476
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Speaker 2: be going after TikTok. I was like, y'all, wait until

477
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Speaker 2: if you're gonna do something like that, do it after

478
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Speaker 2: elect Like sometimes politically stuff when you know that young people,

479
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Speaker 2: that's where they're getting their information, you know, that's what

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Speaker 2: they want. Like why are we doing that? Like why

481
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Speaker 2: are we trying to do these things that make it

482
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Speaker 2: even more difficult for us to win?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's frivolous stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about things like, hey, why isn't Merrick Garland

485
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Speaker 1: going after this person that y'all told us is an

486
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Speaker 1: extensive threat who we saw leading attempt to cool this

487
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Speaker 1: country on January sixth, President Biden, why are you saying

488
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Speaker 1: things like you don't want, you know, to investigate that matter. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, because you know, Biden also again being eighty years old,

490
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Speaker 2: coming from a different time in terms of our government,

491
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Speaker 2: he was old school in terms of looking at you know,

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Speaker 2: the difference or the line between the White House and

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Speaker 2: the Justice Department. I mean, that's the way that things

494
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Speaker 2: used to operate, but we now know that we're in

495
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Speaker 2: a different era, like there's a different frame, and we

496
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Speaker 2: see that Trump has turned all of that on his head,

497
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Speaker 2: and that sometimes you got to lean in and lean

498
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Speaker 2: in heavily on some of these things, and you got

499
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Speaker 2: to get somebody over there who is not just who

500
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Speaker 2: sees justice as being blind, but also is not politically

501
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Speaker 2: naive as well. And that's part of the part of

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Speaker 2: the problem with Mary Garland. I mean, I had problems

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Speaker 2: with Mary Garland, and Barack Obama nominated him to go

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Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court instead of nominating the black woman

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Speaker 2: that time around, Right, I thought that was a perfect

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Speaker 2: opportunity for us to get a black woman on the

507
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court. But again we wanted we we always are

508
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Speaker 2: as a party. We're always thinking ourselves out of things, Right,

509
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Speaker 2: So the calculus was, well, let's find some middle of

510
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Speaker 2: the road guy that the Republicans are not going to oppose.

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Speaker 2: And guess what they did. They opposed him.

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Speaker 1: In hindsight, you admitted it already, you said Mary Garland

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Speaker 1: was ter he was terrible. Why can't you say that

514
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Speaker 1: in regards to Biden not being a one term president?

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Speaker 2: Well, because because I listen, those two things are the

516
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Speaker 2: reason Trump is back in the White House. I I

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Speaker 2: really listen, man, if folks would have And this is

518
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Speaker 2: the amazing difference between Democrats and Republicans. Trump got convicted

519
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Speaker 2: thirty four times, convicted, felon, thirty four times, convicted fela.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear a peep from the Republican Party the

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Speaker 2: next day saying that Donald Trump should not be our nominee.

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Speaker 1: No, because they knew he could win. That's the difference.

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Speaker 1: There were so many of us who knew Biden no.

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Speaker 2: No, But that's no, no, no, How how did they

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Speaker 2: know that he couldn't that he could win when he

526
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Speaker 2: lost in twenty twenty?

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Speaker 1: Who Trump? Because you could clearly see the momentum between

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Speaker 1: the two candles. You know, we all had this combination.

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Speaker 2: Momentum in politics schools, just like it goes just like that.

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Speaker 3: But you could see that they was messing with by the.

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Speaker 6: Reason people thought Kamala was gonna, you know, make this

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Speaker 6: breakfast because of the moment on.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, at the same time as trump conviction.

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Speaker 2: That was around the same period that Joe Biden gave

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Speaker 2: that State of the Union speech when everybody was like,

536
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Speaker 2: oh god damn, that was a good State of Union speech.

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Speaker 2: I have not heard a better State of Union speech

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Speaker 2: than that time.

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Speaker 4: No, I never thought he could win well.

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Speaker 2: Regardless of whether you thought or not his numbers were good.

541
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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: Him getting through it.

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Speaker 6: I'm from Delaware, number yeah, it was the original man.

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Speaker 2: The original sin is a bunch of ship. I mean

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Speaker 2: that's talking about keep going. Come on, I mean, like

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Speaker 2: Alex Thompson and Jake Tapper.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, I'm just telling you what I Seriously, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Why a bunch of anonymous sources because nobody wants to

549
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Speaker 2: go on record to say anything anonymous sources. I can't

550
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Speaker 2: tell you. In my book there won't be anonymous sources.

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Speaker 2: It is straight for me. I'm listening.

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Speaker 1: Whoever the future of the party is, whoever's going to

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Speaker 1: lead the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: And the DNC won't pick them?

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Speaker 1: You American people, will you have to be able to

556
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Speaker 1: throw that old regime under the bus. The You're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to You're gonna have to be willing to throw

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Speaker 1: that old regime under the bus and talk about all

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Speaker 1: the things that they got wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yep, But why don't we talk about this is the

561
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Speaker 2: thing let's talk about the stuff that we're getting right.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason that the brand for the party

563
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Speaker 2: is there are a lot of reasons the brand for

564
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Speaker 2: the party is suffering, but part of the reason is

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Speaker 2: that we are always like if you look at the

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Speaker 2: Republican side on the flip side, they are not talking about, well, well,

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Speaker 2: we're getting this, we got this wrong the last time,

568
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Speaker 2: and we get this wrong. Man, they get ship run

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Speaker 2: all the time, but no, but they don't talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Part of reason why they win is because they're not

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Speaker 2: talking about It's like you got a brand new car

572
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Speaker 2: and every day you throw mud on it, and then

573
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Speaker 2: after three months you'd be like, why is my car

574
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Speaker 2: not shining anymore? It's because you damn you throw mud

575
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Speaker 2: on it every every month. Like Republicans don't throw mud

576
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Speaker 2: on their car, but Democrats, man, we will. We will

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Speaker 2: hand and ring and be like, oh, I wish we

578
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Speaker 2: would have done us, and I wish we'd done that. Lean,

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Speaker 2: lean into what you do and that you are doing well,

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Speaker 2: and have that.

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Speaker 1: Be your lead instead of being the party of purity.

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Speaker 1: Well I don't know about the walk around and act

583
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Speaker 1: like you the party and y'all don't get anything wrong.

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Speaker 1: You don't lie about nothing, then people are going to

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Speaker 1: hold you to it.

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Speaker 2: We can't be the party of purity on one side,

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Speaker 2: and then you then whine and complain about all the

588
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: stuff that we get wrong the next time. That's those

589
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Speaker 2: two things can't coexist in the same space.

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Speaker 5: So what do you like in twenty twenty eight? What

591
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Speaker 5: candidate is? Do you like in twenty twenty eight?

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I don't know yet. I really don't

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Speaker 2: know yet. I mean, there's gonna be so many people

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Speaker 2: who come through South Caro. No, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Person people love that US Democrats don't know whether they're

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Speaker 1: coming and going. This is terrible.

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Speaker 2: Well, come on, man, this is the same stuff that

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Speaker 2: happening happened in twenty twenty. This is the same stuff

599
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Speaker 2: that happened in two thousand and eight. It's the same

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Speaker 2: stuff that happened, I mean right after Yeah, in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and eight when the brock Abam you had like

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Speaker 2: twelve people run. Then you had twenty people run in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of formidable candidates out there. The problem

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Speaker 1: is the Democratic brand is so toxic and disgusting and bad.

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Speaker 2: It's because we sit here and talk about how toxic

607
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Speaker 2: and bad it is instead of talking about the good

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Speaker 2: stuff that we actually do. Man, that's part of the

609
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: problem again, Like your brand is going to be bad

610
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Speaker 2: if every day all you do is talk about how bad.

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Speaker 4: Things got it wrong on the border.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there are things that we should have done

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Speaker 2: batter on the border. Yes, I agree with.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they got it wrong talking about bidernomics

615
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Speaker 1: when they know that people weren't feeling that in their pockets,

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Speaker 1: and they know that people weren't feeling that, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think what they should have done is what I

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Speaker 2: said earlier, which is connecting the economics people to the

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Speaker 2: economic stuff that they got done. Then I think people

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Speaker 2: would have felt better about it, right because they know

621
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Speaker 2: that this stuff was going on, Like you know, all

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Speaker 2: these stimulus checks, like the Biden stimulus checks were far

623
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Speaker 2: bigger than the stimulus checks coming to Donald Trump. He

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Speaker 2: should have and that's one of the things he regrets.

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Speaker 2: He said, I wish I would have left. And this

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Speaker 2: is a lesson we should have learned in Obama because

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Speaker 2: you all remember when Obama was president, we passed that

628
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Speaker 2: big stimulus bill and then all this money was flowing

629
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Speaker 2: into all this other stuff, and Obama did not put

630
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Speaker 2: didn't take credit for it. He did not take credit

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Speaker 2: for it. So you had thought then Democrats would have

632
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Speaker 2: learned from eight and twenty to do better. But we don't.

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Speaker 1: One thing. We know.

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Speaker 4: Democrats don't learn, no, be.

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Speaker 2: We can be a bit hard headed in that, but

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping and I think this new generation of Democrats

637
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Speaker 2: that we have, who are scrappy, who are willing to fight,

638
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Speaker 2: willing to do what is necessary, will learn the lessons

639
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Speaker 2: from It's just hard.

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Speaker 1: To believe y'all, Jamie now, simply because we know what

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Speaker 1: y'all watched the last four years. Even when I see

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Speaker 1: somebody like Karen John Pierre come out with her book

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, you sat up there and lied for

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Speaker 1: him all of this time, and now you want to

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Speaker 1: be honest and say you were an independent And it's

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Speaker 1: to say all of y'all did that for the last

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Speaker 1: four years.

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Speaker 2: Man and Charlot Mane, I ain't lied about I ain't

649
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Speaker 2: live about damn thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, you ain't tell the truth. We just kept quiet.

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Speaker 5: Okay, don't let him talk to you like that.

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Speaker 6: Come on, man, did you try to tell the truth

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Speaker 6: and they just didn't listen because I also saw that

654
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Speaker 6: you said you were taking for granted you were a

655
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Speaker 6: rubber stamp.

656
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Speaker 2: So were you.

657
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Speaker 6: Telling the truth and him?

658
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Speaker 4: So what were you telling the truth about?

659
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Speaker 2: Well, telling the truth about where we are, where the

660
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Speaker 2: electric was, things that we needed to do. I mean

661
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: when I tell you, this job in many ways great

662
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: opportunity to connect with folks, but also extremely frustrating because

663
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: you can see the things. It's almost like you see

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Speaker 2: a car wreck that's happening, and you're yelling and screaming,

665
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: and it's like nobody's listening, right because only again the

666
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Speaker 2: select few. There's people in the bubble who thought they

667
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Speaker 2: know better. I give you a perfect example. I have

668
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Speaker 2: here Ernie, who's helping me write my book. And I

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Speaker 2: remember you all remember the January sixth and all, So

670
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Speaker 2: the anniversary of January sixth was in twenty twenty two,

671
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Speaker 2: and I wanted this ad and after the show, I'll

672
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Speaker 2: play it for you guys, this ad that really goes

673
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Speaker 2: after the Republicans on January sixth. And I wanted the

674
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Speaker 2: DNC to play this ad because you know, I told

675
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Speaker 2: the folks at the White House, I said, I want

676
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Speaker 2: you all to know that black folks are watching how

677
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Speaker 2: we handle this situation, because we know if all those

678
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Speaker 2: people who broke into the Capitol beat the shit out

679
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Speaker 2: of the police officers, defecated all over the walls and

680
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: the floors, and did all this stuff, if those folks

681
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Speaker 2: were black, it would have been the bloodiest day in

682
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Speaker 2: the history of this absolutely. And I told the folks

683
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Speaker 2: at the White House my conduit, I said, black folks

684
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Speaker 2: are watching, and how we Democrats handle the situation. Are

685
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Speaker 2: we going to be forceful in terms of pushing back

686
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Speaker 2: against it and making sure that we hold people accountable

687
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Speaker 2: for it, or are we gonna brush it on the

688
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Speaker 2: on the rug? And I was told when I had

689
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Speaker 2: this ad, and the ad was it wasn't as hard.

690
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Speaker 2: I knew that they wouldn't go for the real hard

691
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Speaker 2: ad that I wanted, so it was sort of a

692
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Speaker 2: mid level but it went in a little bit, but

693
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Speaker 2: a mid level ad. And they were like, well, we

694
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Speaker 2: don't think the DNC needs to do that. We don't

695
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: need to focus on that right now. And my pushback

696
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: to them is, folks, I want you to understand this,

697
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: like we are trying. We need to send a signal

698
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: to our folks that we see you, we hear you.

699
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Speaker 2: We're gonna fight for you, and just as hard as

700
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Speaker 2: the Republicans are fighting against you, we're gonna be fighting

701
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: for you. Like this, by brushing that under the rug

702
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: and saying, well, we shouldn't talk about that right now,

703
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: let's talk about bidonomics or something to that extent, I

704
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: mean that is sending the signal to our folks, is that, Yo.

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Speaker 5: You know you really don't give it damn a perceptions question?

706
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Speaker 5: What do you feel he's not being truthful about? But

707
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Speaker 5: he said you don't feel like he's being truthful?

708
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Speaker 1: What do you think he's not being truthful about the

709
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Speaker 1: condition that they know President Biden was in?

710
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Speaker 2: No man, I just I just fund you can ask

711
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Speaker 2: anybody he asked my wife. I just fundamentally disagree with that.

712
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Speaker 2: Like it just.

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Speaker 1: Pisses hard for me to believe that it just like

714
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Speaker 1: us who've I've never met Joe Biden just watching him

715
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Speaker 1: on television, cancel. It's just crazy that all of us

716
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: can come to this conclusion. But y'all, I was calling

717
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Speaker 1: for him to step down in twenty twenty three for

718
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Speaker 1: no other reason other than you will not win the

719
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Speaker 1: election in November.

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Speaker 2: Charlotte mane like, of course, Like I've been on record,

721
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Speaker 2: he's old. I get it. He is old. He walks.

722
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Speaker 2: You know he's old.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just about that.

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Speaker 5: It's not just about it.

725
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Speaker 1: No, But there's a lot of things right, Like there's

726
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: a perception that the DNC is too tied, the corporate

727
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Speaker 1: donors specially.

728
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Speaker 2: Man, that's bullshit too. Okay, tell me pull the records,

729
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: pull the receipts. If we're tired. If we're tired the

730
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: corporate donors, pull the receipts.

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Speaker 4: How much money do we get from democratic book?

732
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Speaker 2: I don't know because I never talked to a packing

733
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Speaker 2: my four years as DNC chair.

734
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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, the party claim for working people while taking

735
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: so much money from Wall Street in Silicon Valley?

736
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Speaker 4: Where where do we tell me that?

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Speaker 1: You're right?

738
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Speaker 2: Now? I am telling because exitly you're giving me a

739
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: talking point, Charlottage, But give me the receipt Show me

740
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: the amount of money that we have gotten from from

741
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: corporate donors. Show show the.

742
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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on. I can't believe you.

743
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Speaker 2: No, show show me.

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Speaker 1: That hold on.

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00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: Hold on now, mind you, the DNC raised h the

746
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: d n C couple with campaign raise over billion dollars.

747
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: Tell me how much of that billion dollars that we

748
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: got from corporate donors?

749
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: Hold on one second, Hold on one second, you're holding,

750
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: we're holding.

751
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 6: I feel like you're playing space and somebody just trying

752
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Speaker 6: to find.

753
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 4: Trying to find I have I have it up.

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Speaker 1: Now combined spending on just congressional races in two thousand.

755
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Speaker 2: I'm saying the d n C. I'm not saying congressional races.

756
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Speaker 4: I'm like you d democrat.

757
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 2: No, you said the d n C. What you said

758
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: is democrats. You said the d n C.

759
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: No, I didn't.

760
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 4: I think the DNC roll the tape.

761
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Speaker 1: I don't know what he said.

762
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 4: You said the Democrats.

763
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: Okay, democrats, because you're saying that the.

764
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: So let me ask ask the question.

765
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: There's a perception that Democrat politicians are too tied the

766
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: corporate donors and special interests. So how can the party

767
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: claim to fight for working people while taking so much money?

768
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: Well, there there are some Democrats in Congress who do

769
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: take corporate pat dollars like they do, and in part

770
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: of their fundraising that happens. But when it like, I

771
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: can't control what individual members do, right, But in the

772
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 2: end of the day, you know, if these people are

773
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: still passing health care and passing that they're not fighting

774
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: for tax cuts for these wealthy corporations and all that

775
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: they're actually trying to increase the taxes on some of

776
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: these folks. It's kind of hard to say that these

777
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: people aren't fighting for their constituents. Man, Right, So again,

778
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: like I can only control what I can control within

779
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: my sphere, right. I know what the DNC did and

780
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: what I tried to push the DNC to do in

781
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: my time, which is focus on working people, focusing on

782
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: people like my grandparents, focusing on people like my aunts

783
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: and my uncles and my cousins and nieces and nephews

784
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: in South Carolina, trying to make life better for them.

785
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: That's the party that I was happy and proud to

786
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: be the chair of.

787
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, was there a private deal between the DNC and

788
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: the Harris campaign that you would cover twenty million dollars

789
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: in her buildings?

790
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: Knowledge so so basically, and I saw Shane's the newspaper article.

791
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 2: So looking at the finances for there are some joint

792
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 2: finances between the DNC and a presidential campaign. When they

793
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: come together, they create what it's called a joint fundraising committee.

794
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: So there's things bills that they share, right, so some polling,

795
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: some advertising, some some things, so that they can jointly

796
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 2: fundraise money. And that's I know that your your folks

797
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: are going to get a little eyes gleazed. That is

798
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: because they form a joint feund reason committee because that

799
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: allows them to raise more money collectively than they could

800
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: as individuals.

801
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: Right.

802
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: It allows them, the DNC to go to some of

803
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: its the donors who can write a million dollar chat, right,

804
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: and then they send that money to the DNC. It's discovered, No,

805
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: they're individuals, folks, that individual can write a million Yes,

806
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: individuals can write million dollar checks. Because the way that

807
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: the finance laws and that's something that we really need

808
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: to take a look at. But the way that finance

809
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: laws work is there's a certain amount that they can

810
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: give to the DNC, there's a certain amount they can

811
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: give to every state party, and all of that money

812
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: is collective and then we can use that money on

813
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: behalf of the presidential cannon. So it's a joint fundraising committee.

814
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: So that means and sometimes there are joint fundraising expenses

815
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: that come out of it, So expenses that we share.

816
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 2: So coming off of Kammalos Race, there were some things,

817
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: some outstanding bills that we still had that were joint

818
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: bills together between the DNC and the Commalas Race, and

819
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: our agreement was to pay the remaining of some of

820
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: those bills.

821
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Speaker 1: Was it twenty million?

822
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: No, When I left, it was about five So now

823
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: I can't speak to about any other whatever. But when

824
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: I left, it was about five million dollars, which in

825
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things, five million dollars is a

826
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: lot for us as individuals. But in this campaign, universe,

827
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 2: do you think.

828
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: We need to drop hundred dollars?

829
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I do believe. I do believe that we

830
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: need massive and we would have done that had we

831
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: passed the John Lewis and all the other bills that

832
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: Democrats voted unanimously for in the House, but we couldn't

833
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: get it past the Senate because of filibuster, because of

834
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: Mansion in Cinema. So I do believe that, Listen, I

835
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: raised one hundred and thirty two million dollars when I

836
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: ran for USENT. I mean, when I think about how

837
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: much money that is and what that could have done

838
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: in South Carolina, that's sinful that amount of money one

839
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two million dollars. I think we need

840
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: to cap them out that we use in our election.

841
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: No other country on the face of this planet spends

842
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: as much money in campaigns as we do.

843
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: Is the DNC beholding to billionaires too much? Are just

844
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: wealthy people in general? No, I mean, because there's no

845
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: there's no working class person writing a million dollars.

846
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: No, No, But the bulk of the money that the

847
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: DNC raises is from folks who have given five to

848
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: ten dollars, like the sheer volume about probably about thirty

849
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 2: percent of the d's money that it gets. It comes

850
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: from major dollar donors, right, people who can write twenty

851
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: five thousand above the number of people who can write

852
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: a million dollar check. Maybe it's one hundred to two

853
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: hundred people like, it's not it's not a lot. And

854
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: those people basically, you know, I've met with many of

855
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: our large donors. They're not asking for anything policy wise,

856
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: because the DNC is not a policy arm Like we

857
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: don't write policy of the DNC. The money that we

858
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: use goes into the infrastructure of the party, and so

859
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 2: many of those folks don't have any type of ask

860
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: other than when and we don't want to see Republicans

861
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: take over.

862
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: Why am I getting your subset?

863
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 4: I didn't sign up for.

864
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Speaker 1: What did you give money to the DNC?

865
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Speaker 2: Were you on my Were you on my email list

866
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: from my campaign? Yeah? I mean listen, Yeah, we have

867
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Speaker 2: a cap No, no, well listen, we work with substack

868
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: on my list right, Basically, what I use was my

869
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: campaign list. If you if you subscribe to my campaign

870
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: or you help my campaign out, remember I mean I

871
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: have an email list of over seven million people coming

872
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: off of my campaign. That's because again, we raised one

873
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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two million dollars and a lot of

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Speaker 2: people wanted to send lends a Graham home. And so

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Speaker 2: now since I'm on Substack now, since I got my

876
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Speaker 2: at and we haven't talked about at our table the podcast,

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Speaker 2: make sure you go with Yeah, wherever you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 2: make sure you subscribe. But so basically, and I'm writing

879
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Speaker 2: every week. Every week I'm writing a piece about Last

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Speaker 2: week I wrote one about identity the quote unquote identity politics.

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Speaker 2: This week I have one on how the two thousand

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Speaker 2: and six elections in the twenty twenty six elections May

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Speaker 2: mirror each other, so we're doing that on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 2: So do you think if folks don't want it just unsubscribed?

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Speaker 1: I mentioned a PAK earliert, I want to bring it

886
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: up again. Do you think APAK and like other powerful

887
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Speaker 1: lobbies like that have too much influence over Democrat leaders?

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Speaker 2: I think there's no I think APAC has a lot

889
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: of power over both parties, right, or people in both

890
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: parties Because I don't want to use the party as

891
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: a whole as a label, there are people in the

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00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 2: parties in which APAC is very influential on, in both

893
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, and so you know,

894
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 2: organizations like that probably do have a little too much influence.

895
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Speaker 2: And the only way that we curved at is to

896
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Speaker 2: change the campaign finance laws in this country so that

897
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Speaker 2: is more grassroots focus and oriented and less about these

898
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: big packs that have come up. I think one of

899
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: the worst things was a Citizen's United decision because they

900
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: made it into a wild wild West and allowed folks

901
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: with who could raise these money, this money unlimited influence

902
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: to impact elections, to impact campaigns, to influence our members

903
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: of So I mean, I think if Democrats can take

904
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 2: back the House and the Senate, but also get past

905
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: the filibuster because a big problem that we have right

906
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Speaker 2: now is a lot of bills that we wanted to

907
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Speaker 2: pass to curb some of the stuff. You can't because

908
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Speaker 2: it gets filibuster in the US Senate.

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Speaker 1: If Democrats lose again in twenty twenty six or twenty

910
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: twenty eight, should the party completely rethink it's leadership structure,

911
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: even the role of the DNC itself.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I Charlamagne, I mean, in the history's country,

913
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Speaker 2: you went to the DNC's I think it's one hundred

914
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Speaker 2: and seventy years old. You're gonna win elections, You're gonna

915
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 2: lose elections. I mean, winning elections and losing an election

916
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: didn't something new that happened?

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Speaker 4: Right? Different though, So you got some you gotta admit

918
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Speaker 4: this is different.

919
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Speaker 2: I mean Donald Trump is different.

920
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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The question is, once Trump's gone, does it go back

922
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Speaker 2: to the way that it has gone to pass? I don't.

923
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big question. I don't know that.

924
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Speaker 2: But one of the things I tell folks is, yes,

925
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Speaker 2: there's an urgency of the moment, but like you can't

926
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: freak out about like all you know, all hell's gone

927
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: loose in terms of like the parties and how they operate. Right,

928
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Speaker 2: I do think there's some fundamental changes that need to happen.

929
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, when I go back to the DNC,

930
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Speaker 2: part of what I want to do is put some

931
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Speaker 2: reforms in to separate out, to give the DNC a

932
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Speaker 2: wall between a presidential campaign and the DNC, or a

933
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Speaker 2: president and the DNC, because I think the DNC has

934
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Speaker 2: to focus more, not just on the White House, but

935
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Speaker 2: on the entirety of the party. And I don't think

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Speaker 2: we do that when we have the White House.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to ask you to be clear.

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Speaker 1: So you said the DNC has never taken corporate dollars

939
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Speaker 1: in the past.

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Speaker 2: No, the DNC. I mean, I don't know if there

941
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Speaker 2: is some no corporate Pac money. There may be some

942
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Speaker 2: corporate Pac money. Said no, no, no, no, You said

943
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Speaker 2: that the d n C was controlled by corporate Pac money.

944
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Speaker 2: If there is corporate Pac money, it's probably less than

945
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Speaker 2: five percent cent of the money.

946
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Speaker 4: Uh that the money influence.

947
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Speaker 2: But what what do you mean? Like you throwing out buzzwords,

948
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Speaker 2: but I don't know what you how you mean?

949
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Speaker 1: Question?

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Speaker 4: No, they have never taken any Corporate PA money.

951
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Speaker 2: DNC has taken Corporate pac money in the past. I mean,

952
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Speaker 2: all of the parties have taken money.

953
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Speaker 4: But when you look at me that they're not controlled.

954
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Speaker 2: They're not They're not controlled by that, right because if

955
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Speaker 2: it's a small percentage, I mean, and like, yeah, I

956
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: can give you a dollar, that doesn't mean you're going

957
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Speaker 2: to do what I told you for if for that dollar,

958
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Speaker 2: because I know you're getting paid a whole lot more, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, if you want more of this, you can check

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Speaker 5: out his new podcast.

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Speaker 4: At Our Table At Our Table, and.

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Speaker 1: Also check out Jamie Harrison's documentary In the Bubble that

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Speaker 1: I executive produced.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Emily in the Buildings Emily Harrald.

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Speaker 3: Clearly she didn't want to be on camera, Okay, I

966
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Speaker 3: shot it her rout put it on camera right.

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Speaker 4: Well, sorry, it was a pleasure, Jamie.

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Speaker 1: Don't be arange.

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Speaker 2: No, I would love to come back and when the

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Speaker 2: book comes out, but in Charlemagne, I do. I would

971
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Speaker 2: love to have you, you know, as my South Carolina homeboy,

972
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Speaker 2: be a guest on at our Table. Let me ask

973
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Speaker 2: you a question.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to do it. I enjoyed your conversation with Hunter, but.

975
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Speaker 2: No, it was good. It was really good. And it

976
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Speaker 2: was good to get Hunter unfiltered. And uh, he had

977
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Speaker 2: a lot to say. I had a lot to say.

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Speaker 2: And and I think he's a you know, he's a

979
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Speaker 2: good guy. He just yeah, and and maybe I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't know, if it's just look I had I

981
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Speaker 2: have family members who had drug addiction issues and problems, right,

982
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Speaker 2: and and very honest. And they're very honest. They're very honest.

983
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Speaker 2: And what just say it, Jamie, No, No, I'm just saying,

984
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Speaker 2: like honest, man, Jesus Christ, dude, you just say it, dude.

985
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Speaker 2: Come on, It's okay, it's okay.

986
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Speaker 1: What honest some of the most honestly. But I've learned

987
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Speaker 1: some of the best advice ever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But but but we don't need to be like derogatory.

989
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: You're saying in a fashion to be derogator or you know,

990
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Speaker 2: sometimes folks just fall down, No, man, come on, man,

991
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Speaker 2: sometimes people just fall down, right, and it's it's about

992
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: all of us to help them get back up, absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not going to go around and be like

994
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Speaker 2: derogatory to people.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, derogatory, crack cracket, what else?

996
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Speaker 5: We call them crackit.

997
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Speaker 2: You can call them addicts.

998
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Speaker 1: Right Political did an article saying there's a new memo

999
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Speaker 1: that identifies forty five words and phrases for Democrats to avoid.

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Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 1: You don't speak plain.

1002
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: No, but but come on now?

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Speaker 5: Are these some of the words that they tell you

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Speaker 5: can't use?

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Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, this gender, Man, I don't know what. I

1006
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Speaker 2: don't know what. Half of that stuff is exactly neoliberal.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they come up with all kinds of stuff,

1008
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Speaker 2: but it's the academic part.

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Speaker 4: Of the atics.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure it out. I want to I

1011
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Speaker 1: want to learn the right thing to say.

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Speaker 5: User.

1013
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Speaker 2: I don't know you you know how we use crackheaded home,

1014
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Speaker 2: I use crackheads.

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Speaker 1: I use come on now, man, get a crackhead a

1016
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Speaker 1: couple of dollars to come FI cut the grass. But

1017
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Speaker 1: that's not a bad thing, I said, I learned a

1018
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Speaker 1: lot from people who used to How about this, I've

1019
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: learned a lot from people who used to use crack.

1020
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Speaker 1: I have used crack, just used drugs. Jamie was Jamie

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Speaker 1: when she never came here.

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Speaker 5: It's the breakfast Club. Good morning every day.

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Speaker 4: Up, Wake click your ass up. The breakfast club you

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Speaker 4: don't finish for y'all done.