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Speaker 1: Hey, anyone boiling her own one and then waiting more and.

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Speaker 2: Alrighty, welcome back to Moster Territory, brought to you by

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Speaker 2: Fox One. We're joined here by mass live's own Chris Catillo.

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Speaker 2: My friend. How you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm good? How are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh man? We're doing good.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's funny. Last year, during this time, it felt like

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Speaker 2: things are moving a lot quicker. And uh, I think

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Speaker 2: just because we were all just ready for the off

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Speaker 2: season and whatever. And now after the good season the

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Speaker 2: Red Sox had like, it feels even slower to me

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Speaker 2: or are you getting that feeling as well?

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Speaker 4: I think it's probably just the fact that was an

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Speaker 4: abrupt end. You know, like if I'm commissioner, you get

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Speaker 4: to find a way to make it so that after

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Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty two games, teams aren't going home

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Speaker 4: after two or three days. Like living it and going

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Speaker 4: through it. I think that the season should be a

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Speaker 4: little shorter and that the playoffs should be all best

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Speaker 4: to sevens. Like the NBA and the NHL, they spread

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Speaker 4: out their playoffs as long as possible, and you know,

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Speaker 4: you need to really lose four out of seven to

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Speaker 4: get knocked out. I feel like baseball needs dead in

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Speaker 4: that direction. Too long winded answer, but yeah, it's been

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Speaker 4: I think along October for Red Sox fans, a lot

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Speaker 4: and a lot of thoughts on, you know, what's next

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Speaker 4: is last year, you know, fans were dreaming on what

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Speaker 4: the core could be and what possibilities there were after

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Speaker 4: a third straight year of mediocrity, and the dream was

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Speaker 4: a dream. This year, you know, it's a lot closer.

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Speaker 4: The expectations are going to be much higher heading into

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Speaker 4: next year than they were the one they tasted the postseason.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a big deal. So I think that's

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Speaker 4: why the excitement for this offseason, instead of the kind

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Speaker 2: I was hoping we wouldn't hear the words full throttle

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Speaker 2: ever again, but but no, I mean, honestly, it feels

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Speaker 2: You know what I think feels different about this coming

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Speaker 2: bit chaotic at the same time, where you have the

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Speaker 2: clear needs, you know, you know exactly what you need

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Speaker 2: lot of guys, you know, a lot of moving parts.

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Speaker 2: You know, you still got the surplus in the outfield.

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Speaker 2: Even if they want to say they don't have a surplus,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot to figure out.

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Speaker 1: Still.

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Speaker 2: Is that kind of the feeling you're getting as well?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think you know the first things first,

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Speaker 4: their off season last year was super underrated while it

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Speaker 4: was happening. I think in terms of, you know, most

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Speaker 4: of the move Bueller didn't, but the rest narvaias Crochet,

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Speaker 4: Bregman mostly, you know, Chapman obviously, and Wilson. It was

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Speaker 4: a good offseason. It's one they really did a lot.

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Speaker 4: I think fans. The way it worked, I think is,

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Speaker 4: then it takes forever for Bregman to get done, and

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Speaker 4: so that period in between soured fans and made people

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Speaker 4: feel like they didn't do a lot. It was a

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Speaker 4: very aggressive offseason. They went out and got an ace

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Speaker 4: of trade. They obviously extended him shortly thereafter. They got Bregman. Effectively,

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Speaker 4: it was a one year, forty million dollar move that's

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Speaker 4: an all in move just for one year, as it was,

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Speaker 4: and now he's opted out. So I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: like it was a big, aggressive, patented Red Sox offseason.

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Speaker 4: I think anybody that would have, you know, walked out

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Speaker 4: think this year, you know, I think your point is correct.

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Speaker 4: On the pitching side, I think it's pretty straightforward. Find

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Speaker 4: and add some leaf depth, you know, not twenty moves,

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Speaker 4: but like one big one and two smaller ones. On

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Speaker 4: infield spots as of this moment are unsettled. Reregman has

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Speaker 4: I don't think that I could see either side on that.

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Speaker 4: this point, but I don't think that's a guarantee. Second

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Speaker 4: base has been a question mark for about ten years,

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Speaker 4: does Meyer fit in? And where, if anywhere, does Campbell

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Speaker 4: different things. You know, pitching staff pretty easy, will still

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Speaker 4: and opted out, and that'll be official story, obviously a

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Speaker 4: big one. And then what they do with Gilito, whether

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Speaker 4: in a weird case with this mutual option that is

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Speaker 4: a lot to be declined, but it's a qualifying offer

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Speaker 4: come into play, and how healthy is he? Those decisions

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Speaker 4: then it's one more, you know, big thing on the

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Speaker 4: you know, that's coming down the pike in about you

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Speaker 4: know what, ten days, two weeks, so it'll all happen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you just said a lot right there.

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Speaker 2: There's so much happening, you know, even though yes, the

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Speaker 2: You're still gonna have the naysayers out there saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: But with this offseason, you know, I think and last

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, you know, And obviously it all comes

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Speaker 4: down to John Henry putting his money where his mouth is.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, one of the dumbest conspiracy theories

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Speaker 4: There's nobody that you know, ragged on John Henry for

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Speaker 4: Yeah, from someone who was there every day, it was

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Speaker 4: an untenable situation between the player and the team. That's

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Speaker 4: for them to spend the Dever's money. It's a necessity

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Speaker 1: It just is.

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Speaker 4: you know that Dever's money and how they kind of

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Speaker 4: there is money to spend. There are options to make

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Speaker 4: It's not how anybody thought we would get here, you know,

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Speaker 4: you know that's there would be eight years left of

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Speaker 4: Red Sox definitely have room to you know, do whatever

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fully expecting them to go out there and

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Speaker 2: spend some money, especially like you said with RAFFI no

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Speaker 2: longer on the books, you know, getting back to story

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Speaker 2: here before we get to you know, bringing guys in

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Speaker 2: But one question I have about story, and you know

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Speaker 2: obviously there is the case for him to opt back in.

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Speaker 2: Especially with Scott Boris. You never know that gag. You

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Speaker 5: Let's take you through the Arena Club slash pack experience.

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Speaker 5: This is part two because Todd Father last week pulled

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is the best part of it. Ronnie Mauricio,

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Speaker 5: And what you do is you have it in your

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Speaker 5: then cool. You ask Arena Club to send it to

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Speaker 2: Well, let's say, you know, for or for a while,

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Speaker 4: I know it's not perfect because he can only play

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Speaker 4: one side of the ball, but he's dominant there. To me,

434
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Speaker 4: I think Alonso is going to want to play first

435
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Speaker 4: base and there's gonna be teams that are going to

436
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Speaker 4: give him that opportunity. A Red Sox team that's hell

437
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Speaker 4: bent on improving the infield defense after half a decade

438
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Speaker 4: of it being horrible.

439
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Speaker 1: Can't do that.

440
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Speaker 4: He's a downgrade over whoever you had over there, whether

441
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Speaker 4: it be Romi, Casas, Lowe, Toro, whoever. He's a down

442
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 4: grade over you and I. So the power bat is

443
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Speaker 4: one thing. If he's willing to be your DH, maybe

444
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Speaker 4: I don't think he's you know, if he wants to

445
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Speaker 4: play first base and another team's offering that and the

446
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Speaker 4: money is the same, then you know that's not going

447
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Speaker 4: to be a great situation. So to me, you know,

448
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Speaker 4: Schwarber is the guy I think, you know, we just

449
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 4: talked about, you know, Bregman and not being a guarantee.

450
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Speaker 4: If you add you know, Schwarber basically to the same

451
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Speaker 4: lineup you had right now and maybe get a boost

452
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Speaker 4: off Cossas comes back. I think it's a much better group.

453
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Speaker 4: Obviously with Anthony for a full year and you're relying

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Speaker 4: less on bit pieces. Schwarber is the guy. I like

455
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Speaker 4: Schwarberer way way better than Alonzo. And to me, you know,

456
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Speaker 4: people talk about this lefty righty thing, and you know,

457
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Speaker 4: Anthony and Duran are left handed and Story and Bregman

458
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 4: are right handed. Costas or whatever it is. Schwarber hits left.

459
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Speaker 4: He's like crazy, so it doesn't matter. You know, he's basically,

460
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Speaker 4: you know, not a platoon guy in any sense obviously,

461
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Speaker 4: So that's the guy i'd get. It would be very uncomfortable.

462
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to win a bidding war against Dombrowski.

463
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Speaker 4: But I think Swarber has a really good relationship with Korra.

464
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Speaker 4: He enjoyed it here, you know, and I think he's

465
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Speaker 4: a perfect fit.

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's when I think about the Phillies,

467
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Speaker 2: you know, obviously another early exit in the postseason. I

468
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: do think they're gonna do whatever they can to bring

469
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Speaker 2: him back into the fold. But I also have this

470
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Speaker 2: one little thought in the corner of my mind where

471
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Speaker 2: you know, they kind of need to maybe shake some

472
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Speaker 2: things up a little bit. Obviously, you try to bring

473
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Speaker 2: back Schworber, but I just wonder to what extent they

474
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Speaker 2: would go, and I wonder if maybe the Red Sox

475
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 2: could go further in that situation. And I think back

476
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Speaker 2: to the core comments as well, he did pedal them

477
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Speaker 2: back a little bit, but I believe he was on

478
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Speaker 2: WEI one of the radio stations and asked he was asked, hey,

479
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Speaker 2: what do you think about Schworber's free agency and he said, oh,

480
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Speaker 2: very intrigued, And then I kind of pedaled it back

481
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: a little bit like the next day, saying, oh, I'm

482
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Speaker 2: intrigued with all the players or whatever. I find it interesting.

483
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Speaker 4: I thought I was there. It was the pregame of

484
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 4: scrum in Philly one day, and he, you know, it

485
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Speaker 4: wasn't he wasn't hiding that he loves the player. And look,

486
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Speaker 4: you know, like he came in in twenty twenty one

487
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Speaker 4: and changed that team banged up and playing a position

488
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Speaker 4: he never played.

489
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Speaker 2: Before and learning about the people forget that he was

490
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Speaker 2: our so yeah.

491
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Speaker 4: And for him to do what he did and big

492
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 4: spots and everything, you know, it was like an A

493
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 4: plus addition at the time. And still you know a guy,

494
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 4: a totally great trade by him, the guy they traded

495
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Speaker 4: all Doo Ramirez.

496
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Speaker 1: I don't think you've reached the majors, But.

497
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Speaker 4: That's the guy you know, so much better than Alonzo

498
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 4: to me, so much more of a fit.

499
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Speaker 2: Well, there is another guy out there. If they weren't

500
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Speaker 2: able to get Schwarber, there is a guy that kind

501
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: of reminds me of Schwarber. When you take a look

502
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Speaker 2: at the metrics when you take a look at the

503
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: numbers over the years, and that's Munataka Murakami out of Japan,

504
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Speaker 2: and we got a couple of guys coming over from Japan.

505
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Speaker 2: We just got a report today. We just got to

506
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Speaker 2: report the other day saying that Kazuma Okamoto was not

507
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Speaker 2: likely to be posted, even though that was the expectation

508
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: he would be. And then we got a report today saying,

509
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: oh no, it is looking like he's gonna get posted.

510
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 2: So you got him coming over, Murakami coming over. There's

511
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Speaker 2: also Tatsia am I very good arm out of Japan.

512
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Speaker 2: Do you think the Red Sox based off of, you know,

513
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Speaker 2: maybe what you been hearing or it was whatever the

514
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Speaker 2: feeling that you're getting. Do you expect them to be

515
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Speaker 2: aggressive in the Japanese market?

516
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Speaker 1: And they have been, you know for a while, right,

517
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: you know, they went out and got.

518
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Speaker 4: Yoshida immediately a couple of years ago, dating back to

519
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of these guys you know where

520
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Speaker 4: I grew up in the age of the dice Cave phenomenon,

521
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Speaker 4: and so there's a big Red Sox presence there and

522
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Speaker 4: guys you know wanting to sign with the Red Sox Again,

523
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Speaker 4: it's all going to come down to money at the

524
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Speaker 4: end of the day. With all of them, you know,

525
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Speaker 4: I think we're a comedy. The first one you mentioned

526
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Speaker 4: a big strikeout guy. I don't think that fits the

527
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Speaker 4: lineup very well. You know, you need more contact than

528
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Speaker 4: I think. The contact is just important his power, right,

529
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Speaker 4: and especially for a team that struck out as much

530
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Speaker 4: as they did, and you saw it contagious right down

531
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Speaker 4: to the end in the Splitler game. So they're always

532
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Speaker 4: aggressive on that market. They always talk to everybody, you know,

533
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Speaker 4: dating back, look at Yamamoto and Sasaki and those different things.

534
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, the thing that goes up goes

535
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 4: against them and every team is that the Dodgers are

536
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 4: such a crazy brand internationally, but especially in Japan. You know,

537
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Speaker 4: the Otani factor. We saw it with Yamamoto, we saw

538
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Speaker 4: it with Sasaki, and we'll continue to see it. If

539
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Speaker 4: they want a Japanese player, you know, that's the place

540
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Speaker 4: they're going to go. It's a free market, that's the

541
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Speaker 4: right and I think that's a big obstacle for any

542
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Speaker 4: other team.

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Speaker 2: Well, the one guy that I think the Dodgers might

544
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Speaker 2: actually not go after is Kazuma Okamoto, who mostly plays

545
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Speaker 2: first base. They got Freddy Freeman over there, but he

546
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Speaker 2: also has versatility as well. You can play some third base,

547
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Speaker 2: some left field as well. That's one guy I made

548
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: a tweet on social media over the weekend thinking, I

549
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 2: wonder if that could be an under the radar guy

550
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: maybe the Red Sox look at. Because he is a

551
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: guy that makes a lot of contact, has close to

552
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Speaker 2: a ten percent strikeout right over the last few years,

553
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 2: and a lot of pole power as well. I wonder,

554
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: you know, when you take a look at the profile,

555
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Speaker 2: I wonder if that could be someone that Craig Breslo

556
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Speaker 2: could be interested in and with him because he has

557
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: that versatility casas you know he comes back, you could

558
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: still make it work, especially if Bregman ensa believing right.

559
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: I don't know any thoughts on Okamoda. Okamoda.

560
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Speaker 4: I mean from the scouting report on him is that

561
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 4: he struggled with velocity and that's something that you can't

562
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 4: have in the lineup either. So I mean, no one's

563
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 4: a perfect player, right, so we can nitpick every single guy,

564
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 4: every guy on the Red Sox, every guy they might sign,

565
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 4: whatever it might be. But you know, they need kind

566
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: of guys that can make contact and guys that could

567
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Speaker 4: hit it out of the ballpark. And I do think,

568
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Speaker 4: you know, obviously, there's been a lot of guys who

569
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Speaker 4: have come over and been excellent, lived up to the

570
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Speaker 4: buildings are passed it Otani at the top of the

571
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Speaker 4: list of the all time list of of course, of

572
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Speaker 4: all baseball players probably and even you know, Suzuki in Chicago,

573
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 4: and a lot of these other guys that have and

574
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 4: you know, there's really really good players. There is more

575
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 4: of a risk, I think with those guys than there

576
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 4: are your domestic free agents, just because you never know

577
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 4: how it's going to translate, you know, and there you know,

578
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Speaker 4: you look at some of these guys that'll come over

579
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 4: and it's been totally different and it's not as transferable

580
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: as you know, a twenty twenty five major league season

581
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 4: projecting twenty twenty six. There's an element of risk there,

582
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 4: and I think for the Red Sox it's going to

583
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 4: be weighing, you know, more of the sure bet versus

584
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: the projection. That's always the battle. And I think, you know, obviously,

585
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 4: the money's going to answer the question, Like I keep.

586
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Speaker 2: Saying, yeah, you know, and that's where one more thing

587
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: to add about Okamoto, where he has at least in

588
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: my opinion, more of a floor than someone like Murakami.

589
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: He's gonna have a cheaper price tag has that versatility

590
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: that they like, so who knows, maybe he could be

591
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: a fit. But there is another glaring need. There's another

592
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: glaring need before we do get to that. Though, everyone

593
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Speaker 2: watching on, Nesson, we do have to wrap it up

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Speaker 2: For the next need. It's a glaring one. We mentioned

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Speaker 2: for me personally, I feel like they're set up really

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Speaker 2: Red Sox approaching this for this coming off season?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think again. I wrote it this week,

633
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Speaker 4: said it earlier. I think the bar is a guy

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Speaker 4: two starter to go in past the third inning in

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Speaker 4: It kind of says a lot about you know where

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Speaker 4: he is. And that's not a knock on him. I

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Speaker 4: guess it's just kind of the reality of how Alex

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Speaker 4: Korra handled that. And it's, you know, almost time where

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646
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Speaker 4: still the reality of it, and there, I think is

647
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: still a question mark around him, and so therefore you

648
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: have to raise the ceiling with a number two that

649
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: slots in, you know, before him, and I think you

650
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: look at the rest of the rotation, there's eight guys

651
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: that could figure out those last two spots, from Early

652
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 4: and Totally to Harrison and Fits, to Dobbins, Sandoval, Crawford, Cooper, Criswell,

653
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 4: you name it. You can find you know, two guys

654
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: and are gonna need a lot more than that for

655
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 4: four and five. And maybe one of those guys, whether

656
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 4: it be Early or totally or you know, Sandoval, who

657
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: had a good career with the Angels, people forget about,

658
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 4: you know, looks like a number two or a number

659
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: three during the season. Dobbin's maybe he had a good

660
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 4: stretch when he was up. But you need a guy

661
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 4: who is you know, you're you know, not really a two,

662
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 4: but just a one b you know, behind behind Crochet

663
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 4: and to me, you know, the Joe. Ryan's kind of

664
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 4: the obvious one, almost too obvious. Because of all the

665
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: deadline talk, all that stuff. You almost wonder if the

666
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: conversations and the kind of narratives after make the teams

667
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 4: a little hesitant to work with each other or talk again.

668
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 4: Obviously they're going to, but the fact the Red Sox

669
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: got they were close and the Twins were laughing in

670
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: their face, and it came out in the media that way,

671
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 4: I think was interesting, not a great look I think

672
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: for the Red Sox really, because they what they thought

673
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: was going to get the job done was not close

674
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: to what the Twins thought was going to get the

675
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: job done. At the end of the day, all that

676
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 4: matters is where the Twins were drawing that bar, and

677
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 4: then the Red Sox started with the propaganda campaign that

678
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: they were close and that probably didn't sit well with

679
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: the Twins and they had to probably have uncomfortable conversations

680
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 4: with Ryan. So you wonder if you know, entering this

681
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: offset and the Twins are going to be like, let's

682
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: cool off on them and see who else wants to

683
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 4: make an offer. But you look at the trade market

684
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: beyond him, and you know, I know, there's a lot

685
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 4: of names that have popped up beyond Schooble who I

686
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: wanted to touch on, but Hunter, Green, McKenzie, Gore. That's

687
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: kind of a double edged sword because Devoney knows the

688
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 4: system so well, so is that a good thing or

689
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 4: a bad thing? And then you know, you get into

690
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 4: you know, the rest of them, whether it be even Abbott,

691
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati who people don't know about it had a

692
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: really good year. Or you know Peralta in Milwaukee. Alcanto

693
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: has been a trade candidate forever and on the free

694
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: agent market, you know, there's only there's not like seven

695
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: guys that I would consider being in that bucket. You're

696
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 4: not going to go get this year's Walker Ruele or

697
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 4: take a fly or pay him a one year deal.

698
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: It's going to be like, okay, do you sign Dylan

699
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 4: Cees to be your number two? Do you sign Michael

700
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: King to be your number two? Hometown advantage? It doesn't

701
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 4: count again, but you have that there. So they just

702
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 4: need one of those guys they could identify. You know,

703
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 4: it's not projection, it's who is already at that level

704
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: and how do we get him here? And they don't

705
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: necessarily have to if they do a trade do that

706
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: big extension right away like they did with Crochet because

707
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 4: they have so many young guys. If they were to

708
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 4: get Joe Ryan for two years, they could hold off

709
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: on extending him. That's okay to me because your window

710
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 4: is here. You don't have to dream on it. After

711
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 4: making the playoffs. You get him for two good years

712
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: and see what it's like in a couple of years,

713
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: you know, and you don't have to extend the guy

714
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 4: into his thirties.

715
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: I think Crochet was a rare case because of his.

716
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 4: Age and everything that came with it. But you know,

717
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: there's a lot of options. To me, Ryan's almost too obvious.

718
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: So I'll guess that's somebody else. If I were to

719
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: do a wild guest, I'll say cease right now. But

720
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 4: who knows. It's gotta be somebody in that mix. And

721
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: I think you know they can't walk out of the

722
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: offseason without one of them.

723
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree. I find the Ryan one interesting

724
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: because he does feel like the obvious guy. I don't know.

725
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: Over the years, I feel like when a name is

726
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: popped up and you seem like you had a great

727
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: chance to get him, and then when you let that

728
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: opportunity go let other teams get into the mix. I

729
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: wonder if they could pull it off. I think they can, obviously,

730
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: but I just wonder if other teams could get into

731
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: the mix. Like the Mets, they're going to be looking

732
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: for a guy. The Oriols are going to be looking

733
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: for a guy, I would imagine, so we'll see. I

734
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: do think he is definitely an obvious guy, but I

735
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: think you have.

736
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 4: I'll make a point that just like you don't have

737
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 4: to look past last December to see how these things

738
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 4: play out in real time. Like the Red Sox were

739
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 4: looking at the market, it was all Sodo and when

740
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: he signed, it was all right, pitching, It's all Freed, Freed, Freed, Freed, Freed, Freed.

741
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 4: They hadn't approached the White Sox really about Crochet meaningfully

742
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: at that point. I talked to a White Sox person

743
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 4: in the lobby of the Winter meetings two days before

744
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 4: the deal went down. He said, we haven't heard from him.

745
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 4: They haven't made any type of offer this offseason. They're

746
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 4: all focused on Freed. Freed goes to the Yankees, and

747
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: then it's Bang Crochet time. So that's how it works.

748
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 4: It's a market and they have to make pivots. And

749
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 4: I think it worked out pretty well for both teams

750
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 4: in that case. And obviously, so you know, that's how

751
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 4: it's going to play out these next couple of months.

752
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: And I could totally see a pivot here, you know.

753
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be very active on the

754
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: trade market, especially you know with the big the Giant

755
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: question mark of the whole CBA thing coming up. I

756
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: wonder if teams would rather pursue going for a trade

757
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: instead of handing out some big money. And that's where

758
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: I look at someone like Hunter Green on the Reds,

759
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: where I feel like the Red Sox. I'm not sure

760
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: how you feel about this, but I feel like the

761
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: Red Sox and the Reds are perfect trade partners because

762
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: the Reds need offense, they need some bats in there,

763
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: and I think you could even, you know, maybe figure

764
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: out a way, maybe even include mass Taka Yoshida in

765
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: that deal. I know I'm talking fantasy stuff right now.

766
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 1: But he has no value, but yes, go ahead.

767
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 2: Right But I'm saying like, if you were to include

768
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: like a high value, you know, getting back to the surplus,

769
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: if that's what you want to call in the outfield,

770
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: with say Jaron Duran, I don't know, could there be

771
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 2: something there where he has a lot of trade value,

772
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: where not making a whole lot of money up and

773
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: down year this year, but still was right around a

774
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: four win player, good projections moving forward, you know, I

775
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: don't know, could you tie someone like Masa to him?

776
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: Possibly maybe figure something out if not, or something with

777
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: will you're maybe some prospects or I don't know. I

778
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: feel like the Reds could be good.

779
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 4: I d stocks are looking to trading Raphaela because I

780
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 4: think he's got sneaky value on this market. The defensive

781
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 4: floor is not gonna slump. If a team feels like

782
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 4: they can get him in their heading lab and get

783
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 4: him to stop swinging, then maybe then he has potentially

784
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: more value than the other two guys. People think he's

785
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 4: just a lock his extension to stay. His extension is

786
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 4: not big enough on an AAV basis for any team

787
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: to rule out. So we always talk about not to

788
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 4: totally interject, but Duran and Abreuis trade candidates.

789
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: I'd say all three of them, Yeah, I mean I

790
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: could see a word was where SETI even if other

791
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: teams showing interest in him. Right at the end of

792
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: the day, you know, if you're trying to improve the team,

793
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: you got to have an open mind and feel like

794
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: everyone you know could be in the mix to maybe

795
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: get moved. And he absolutely has good value on a

796
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: good contract. One of the best defensive players in all

797
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: of Major League Baseball. Teams would line up for that,

798
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: and I think that was an underrated part of SETI

799
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: for this season. Yes, a lot of great moments, the walkoffs,

800
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: you know, all the great highlights out in center field.

801
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: But that was something that was being talked about at

802
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: one point where the Red Sox were like, Hey, we're

803
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: gonna work on this plate discipline a little bit more.

804
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: Would you if you were to go with one of

805
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: the three, do you you feel like Setti would be

806
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: the lock out of the three.

807
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 4: I mean it's hard, but I think, you know, a

808
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 4: bray new the injury thing is starting to be a

809
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 4: little bit of a thing, you know, just you know,

810
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: like missing a week turns into missing three weeks. And

811
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 4: he was up and down at the plate this year.

812
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: His April I think carried his stat line Duran. If

813
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 4: you take out July, it was not a great year

814
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: at the plate. And I think the defensive lapses if

815
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 4: you watch it, if you watched every day, which we did,

816
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 4: you know, you're kind of surprised the numbers turned out

817
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: the way they would.

818
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: And I think I thought that too, I did, you know,

819
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 2: I think.

820
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 4: I think the Red Sox missed the opportunity to trade

821
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 4: him a year ago, so you know, I don't think

822
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 4: it's a lock they trade any of those guys, I

823
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: think people still look at it that way. You know,

824
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 4: the value out there might not be what they think

825
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: it is on any of them. I think what is

826
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 4: a nice get out of jail free card for the

827
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 4: Red Sox is that, right now, from that group we

828
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 4: just mentioned of pitchers, you could center a package around

829
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: one of them and get a really good player. I mean,

830
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: I think fans hope that early and totally are untouchable.

831
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: They probably aren't. But even if you have somebody like

832
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 4: Dobbins or somebody like Harrison or you know, fits had

833
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 4: a bad year, but somebody in that mold, like a

834
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 4: young pitcher like Okay, right in the precipice, who could

835
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: be in a rotation for a mid to bad team

836
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 4: next year. I think that's a really good trade piece,

837
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 4: one that they didn't have a year ago, obviously, So

838
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 4: you could headline a package of one of those guys

839
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 4: instead of an outfielder. And I think a team trading

840
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 4: you a pitcher might want that more. Right So, that's

841
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 4: something I think that's been a little talked about a little,

842
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 4: h too little at this point.

843
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, whatever ends up happening, there's going to

844
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: be a lot to talk about this coming off season.

845
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: To get through this World Series. I got to ask you,

846
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: who's gonna win it this year?

847
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: What do we do?

848
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 4: The Dodgers? And it'll spark a debate about what's right,

849
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: what's wrong in baseball and if the game is screwed up, YadA, YadA, YadA.

850
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 4: It should just motivate owners to spend to that level

851
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 4: because they all can do it, they all should do it,

852
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 4: and it's egg on their face that they don't.

853
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: I think you look right there at the Mariners and

854
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: the Blue Jays, right which teams spent more money last offseason?

855
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: The blue Jays did right, Anthony Santander didn't work out obviously,

856
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: but not yet. But you look at the Mariners. I

857
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: mean they brought in Donovan Solano in the offseason, and yeah,

858
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: they made the moves of the deadline. But you know

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Speaker 2: that's an argument right there, you got to spend a

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Speaker 2: little bit more money. Who knows, maybe they're in the

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Speaker 2: World Series. But Chris, let the viewers know at home.

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Speaker 2: Where can they find you?

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Speaker 4: Same place as always on Twitter, Chris Catolo, mas lob

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Speaker 4: dot com and the Fenway Rundown Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I saw you, I saw you in golfing the other day.

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Speaker 2: How'd that go good?

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Speaker 4: I was, honestly, you know, the game's in form right now,

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Speaker 4: so not many nice weather days left in New England,

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Speaker 4: as we say there on August twenty second, but you know,

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Speaker 4: the road to breaking one hundred is absolutely in play

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Speaker 4: for the next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, you got the winter meetings in Florida.

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Speaker 2: I mean I would imagining you're coming to the Winter meetings.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's but that's just like work eight am

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Speaker 4: to one am and go back and try to get

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Speaker 4: a few hours of sleep and hope they don't make

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Speaker 4: a trade overnight and come back and do it again.

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Speaker 4: So much not much downtime there.

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Speaker 2: I think the Disney Resort has a golf course somewhere, right,

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Speaker 2: you might be able to squeeze something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm always someone else's problem.

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Speaker 2: Well, Chris, I want to thank you for joining me

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Speaker 2: here today. Do appreciate that. Thank you for all the information,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your thoughts. Everybody at home. If you

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Speaker 2: ken of the way out, hit the leg button, subscribe

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Speaker 2: if you new, and we'll talk to you next time.