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Speaker 1: First and foremost. Who want to say thank you? We

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great? This is incredible. I mean, I for

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Speaker 4: the fans, this must be fantastic. Just to the whole

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Speaker 4: environment here, I mean, congratulations to Michael Rubin.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe what he's built for sure, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: Listen, this is a blessing to have you on this stage. Obvious,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You got to walk across

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Speaker 1: Draft night moment. Baby, Yeah I got I didn't. I

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Speaker 1: but I got a chance to hear my name, Carl.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: You got a championship ring though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a championship better than being drafted. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: talk about it. I snuck out of there with one. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, I wanted to ask you this question because everybody's

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Speaker 2: What was it like for you the first time?

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Speaker 1: And she got to be in that position and helps

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's emotional for me. It still is because

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Speaker 4: So when you're standing up on stage, particularly for you know,

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Speaker 5: Who was the first player you introduced to the NBA,

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Speaker 1: I got a question were talking about draft night and

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Speaker 2: Oh, what's that feeling? Like?

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Speaker 1: Do you ever be like, man, I just hope, hope

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: I'm Often it happens occasionally where there is a player

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Speaker 3: Drafted at all.

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Speaker 4: And so I always see it as my responsibility to

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Speaker 4: and you should take motivation from this. And again that

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Speaker 4: understandably these teams are making these decisions, but don't let

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Speaker 4: double down on your work, because there's a reason that

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Speaker 3: And even if you know, if you think the NBA is.

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Speaker 4: The four and fifty best players in the world, so

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Speaker 4: we have a relatively small draft compared like, if you

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Speaker 4: only a two round draft. So again I just remind them, like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: go get them. You know this, This isn't gonna determine

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Speaker 2: Oh definitely.

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Speaker 1: You brought a very interesting point up. We're looking at

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Speaker 2: We don't have bigger markets in that.

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Speaker 4: One of the points I made the other night was,

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Speaker 4: know it's the story, isn't that it's a small market.

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Speaker 4: It's the best franchises in the NBA, the best teams

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Speaker 4: We have something like a two billion person social media community.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: I accept that it's a narrative going in the other thing,

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Speaker 4: I'll point out some of those markets are only smaller

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Speaker 4: When Little League season started, we had a Little League parade.

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Speaker 4: This small versus big market narrative only becomes relevant because

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Speaker 4: sophistication of the scouting. I mean, I think sometimes like

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Speaker 4: understanding what goes into being an NBA.

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Speaker 3: Player, the amount of hard work, the amount of training.

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Speaker 4: But also I think sometimes because the way our game

442
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Speaker 4: is called, you know, it's moving so quickly, even for

443
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Speaker 4: the best announcers, play by play announcers like Mike Breen

444
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Speaker 4: or the best color commentaries, the best color commentary, it's

445
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Speaker 4: moving so fast there's not necessarily time to explain everything

446
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 4: that's happening that you know, it's not just this guy

447
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Speaker 4: is off tonight, but he may be off because it's

448
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Speaker 4: incredible defense and what is the scheme and what is

449
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Speaker 4: that defense? So I think sometimes like those other shows,

450
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Speaker 4: whether it's a pregame show, or halftime or it's an

451
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Speaker 4: afternoon show podcast, you name it about the NBA, just

452
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 4: to be talking about more about the game and what

453
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Speaker 4: goes into team basketball and what pros and what goes

454
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Speaker 4: into making the NBA and staying in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, that's definitely got You always talk about how

456
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Speaker 1: the NBA is a business and the fraternity and what

457
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Speaker 1: they do for the players after they leave the game.

458
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Speaker 2: You want to indulge in that a little bit more.

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously it's a bunch of programming now that it's

460
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Speaker 1: been coming into the league. When I first came in

461
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Speaker 1: the league, theoie rookie transition and all those great things

462
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Speaker 1: that you have to do when you first get in

463
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Speaker 1: the league, I was wondering, how can we like, I'm

464
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Speaker 1: not gonna say better it. I think it's does a

465
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Speaker 1: really good job and everything is nice when you retire

466
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Speaker 1: from basketball, But is it anything like you would suggest

467
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Speaker 1: or some of the guys who might retire at the

468
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Speaker 1: age of like thirty thirty one, is there anything you

469
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Speaker 1: can suggest to help them with that process.

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. A few things.

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Speaker 4: Number One, so for the first time we have a

472
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Speaker 4: former player who's running the players Association Andre Gudala, So

473
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Speaker 4: he's very attuned to the issues of not just former players,

474
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Speaker 4: but the transition for a player to go from being

475
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Speaker 4: on the floor to then the rest of their life,

476
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Speaker 4: and to how they're going to use the skills they've

477
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Speaker 4: developed as a player, and what new skills they might

478
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Speaker 4: need to be successful whatever they choose to do, whether

479
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Speaker 4: it's to be in the media or to run business

480
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Speaker 4: or whatever else. The other thing Andre is doing is

481
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Speaker 4: building a closer relationship between what has been a separate organization,

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Speaker 4: the Retired Players Association and the union that currently represents

483
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Speaker 4: the players, because I think that can help with the

484
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Speaker 4: smooth transition as well. And then you mentioned the Rookie

485
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Speaker 4: Transition program, So that's a program for players coming into

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Speaker 4: the NBA, the transition of coming from college or Europe

487
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Speaker 4: wherever it is. Now the world's changing quickly because now

488
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Speaker 4: with nil deals and collectives, guys are now coming into

489
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Speaker 4: the league and the same thing for the women in

490
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Speaker 4: the WNBA now in many cases having been paid, so

491
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Speaker 4: they already have a certain sophistication around payments and being

492
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Speaker 4: you know, shoe deals and things like that. But so

493
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Speaker 4: they come in we have the training in I think

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Speaker 4: one thing that Andre is very focused on, and in

495
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Speaker 4: fairness and the Union leaders before him, is enhancing those

496
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Speaker 4: programs so that while you're a player, there's a lot

497
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Speaker 4: of different counseling on managing your money, managing your life,

498
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Speaker 4: you know, dealing with social media, all those things. And

499
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Speaker 4: the Union has done a fantastic job. There's a role

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Speaker 4: for our teams and a role for the league and

501
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Speaker 4: doing all those things. And then I think also where

502
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Speaker 4: Andre now, I think the focus is all right, what

503
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Speaker 4: more can we do for helping the players manage that transition?

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Speaker 4: And then once I said, they become a retired player,

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Speaker 4: because I often and Jeff you can speak this. When

506
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Speaker 4: you're right off the there may be a period of

507
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Speaker 4: sort of decompressing, taking some time. There's that change from

508
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 4: being on the road the whole time. Often guys are

509
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Speaker 4: getting reacquainted with their families or they you know, they've

510
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 4: they've had kids while they were playing and haven't been

511
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Speaker 4: around as much. So there's that period. But then now

512
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Speaker 4: you have essentially the rest of your life ahead of you.

513
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Speaker 4: What kind of programs can we help provide to train people?

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Speaker 4: And I'll just say lastly, I mean there's also one

515
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Speaker 4: of the things that we put in place several years ago,

516
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Speaker 4: and and Michelle Roberts was head of the Players Association,

517
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Speaker 4: Chris Paul was president. Union's lifetime health insurance for guys

518
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Speaker 4: who played in the league, which is a huge deal,

519
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 4: and also enhancing the pension programs, the four oh one

520
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Speaker 4: K program, so that for somebody who has played, you know,

521
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Speaker 4: a certain minimum threshold of years in the league, you

522
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Speaker 4: know to a certain extent, you'll be set. No, you're

523
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Speaker 4: gonna have health insurance. You know you're gonna have a pension. Now,

524
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Speaker 4: you know that that's not suggesting they should just be

525
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Speaker 4: satisfied with that. But on top of that, there's all

526
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Speaker 4: these other opportunities, and you're obviously a great example of

527
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: it of what can you then use that platform you

528
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 4: have by virtue of being an NBA player and then

529
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Speaker 4: building careers beyond what you accomplished on the floor.

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Speaker 1: For sure, most definitely we talk about the NIO situation

531
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Speaker 1: all the time. I know you probably get asked this

532
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Speaker 1: a million times. Is it a possibility to high school

533
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Speaker 1: players go back to the NBA straight?

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Speaker 2: Maybe? But the NIOL impact, you say, you got lesser

535
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Speaker 2: people in the drift. This year.

536
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Speaker 1: If you think is that something is gonna be an

537
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Speaker 1: on one issue, is it's just a new transition period

538
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Speaker 1: because it's just new.

539
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Speaker 4: Yeah, when you think about it, we don't, as I said,

540
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 4: we only have a two round draft. And the fact,

541
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Speaker 4: I think it's really positive that some of these young

542
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Speaker 4: men are getting good information in essence and realizing that

543
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Speaker 4: they're unlikely to be one of the to be selected

544
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Speaker 4: in those two rounds. And if that's the case, and

545
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Speaker 4: they can remain in college and be paid and in

546
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Speaker 4: many cases paid significant amounts of money. That so, so one,

547
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 4: they're getting compensated for their skill and maybe even more

548
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: importantly to extent they want to be professional basketball players.

549
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 4: They're getting real minutes, they're getting great coaching, and they're

550
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 4: continuing to train and improve at their craft. So it's

551
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 4: a win win for everybody. As opposed to losing eligibility

552
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Speaker 4: because somebody's convinced you that you're going to be a

553
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Speaker 4: top draft pick. Not getting drafted, you can't go back

554
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 4: to college and now you're going to play maybe in

555
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Speaker 4: Europe or Asia or something else, as opposed to really

556
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 4: honing your skill and having your best shot at playing

557
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Speaker 4: in the NBA and The other thing is if you're

558
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Speaker 4: not going to be drafted and you're going back into school,

559
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 4: it shouldn't be lost that you're also, you know, continuing

560
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: to get an education, because realistically, you may not have

561
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Speaker 4: an opportunity to play in the NBA. It may be great,

562
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Speaker 4: you know, it may to go play in Europe. There's

563
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 4: great basketball playing played around the world, but that may

564
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: you know, not compensate you at the same level as

565
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Speaker 4: being in the NBA. You may not be able to

566
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Speaker 4: do it for as long. So now you finish, you

567
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: play for three four years in Europe, whatever it is,

568
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: but now you have a college education and then you

569
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 4: can go out and then pursue another career. So I

570
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 4: think the fact that some of those young men are

571
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Speaker 4: withdrawing their names is very positive to me. That just

572
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: means there's better information out there in the marketplace.

573
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Speaker 5: Will we ever get back to kids being able to

574
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Speaker 5: come straight out of high school? Like what that ever

575
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Speaker 5: be a thing again in ANBA?

576
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Speaker 4: Do you think you know, we've talked about that, you know,

577
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 4: just so everybody understands, like, that's not a decision we

578
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 4: can make on our own. It can only it has

579
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Speaker 4: to be negotiated with the Players Association, and when we

580
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 4: last discussed it, I think that the general feeling from

581
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Speaker 4: the teams and the players is to extent that those

582
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Speaker 4: young players have that extra year. Honestly, whether it's in

583
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: college or are playing in Europe, it's better for the

584
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Speaker 4: league because they come in better skilled, with a little

585
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Speaker 4: bit more maturity.

586
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Speaker 1: We've talked about obviously the All Star format possibly being

587
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: the USA versus the world. We've got a lot of

588
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Speaker 1: great international players, a lot of than won VP recently,

589
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Speaker 1: we've got camps around the world. Is there a possibility

590
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Speaker 1: that we could get an expansion saying that's not in

591
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Speaker 1: the United States.

592
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Speaker 2: Well, we have the Raptors, of course, but you know,

593
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: a little bit sail around the way down.

594
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Speaker 3: I know they're attached. It's not the same. Yeah, over time.

595
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Speaker 4: I mean, one of the things we've been looking at

596
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: the league, at the league is whether we can help

597
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 4: operate a new professional league in Europe. I mean, don't

598
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 4: get me wrong, there's incredible basketball being played in Europe,

599
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: and there's some really great teams, and you know, several

600
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: of our most recent MVPs have come from Europe. But

601
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Speaker 4: I think from a commercial standpoint, basketball professional basketball hasn't

602
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: been nearly as successful in Europe as the size of

603
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: the market might suggest. So that's one path I wouldn't

604
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: called expansion directly, but it's building off the NBA brand

605
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: and potentially doing more in Europe. To your direct question

606
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: about teams in Europe, I think over time it's definitely possible.

607
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 4: Like I was in Paris last summer for the Olympics,

608
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Speaker 4: I mean, the interest was off the charts.

609
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Speaker 3: I mean, to me, it was the hottest sport there.

610
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Speaker 4: I mean like we were selling out every game, not

611
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 4: just the games involving USA, but you know, the gold

612
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 4: medal game was USA versus France.

613
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Speaker 3: I mean the.

614
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Speaker 4: Game before the US Serbia game was some of the

615
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: best basketball I had seen. So there's great players, enormous interest.

616
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Speaker 4: I think part of the limitation is on players' bodies.

617
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 4: It's not just the length of the flight, but when

618
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 4: you're jumping multiple time zones, it's important guys get proper

619
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Speaker 4: rest for being on the floor. It's disruptive. You know,

620
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Speaker 4: there's people Remember there used to be supersonic jets that

621
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 4: went back and forth from New York to Paris. You

622
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: know the concord that there's some commercial airliners now who

623
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 4: are talking about restoring supersonic jets. I mean, I think

624
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: that if the traveler faster, honestly, that would be a

625
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: game changer.

626
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Speaker 3: It would make it easier to do.

627
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Speaker 4: But as I said, I think the next step is

628
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 4: to sort of plan a flag in Europe, potentially with

629
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 4: the European League, and then go from there. But I

630
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: think if any league could do it, you could easily

631
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: imagine teams in Paris, London, Madrid, Berlin. I mean it's

632
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 4: not for lack of interest, that's for sure.

633
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Speaker 2: Most so you can imagine having a back to back

634
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: in Paris. Man.

635
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, that flight would have been crazy,

636
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: but it'd probably be a lot of fun.

637
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: Though. I think guys will be open to playing in Paris.

638
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Speaker 1: I've seen guys go over there for preseason games and

639
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: exhibition games and they're like, it's cool to be over here.

640
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Speaker 5: You got any adjustments that you would like to make

641
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 5: for the All Star the All Star Game, we want

642
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 5: to bring some new take something out, like how do

643
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 5: you feel about All Star Weekend?

644
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 4: Well, the weekend itself, which we're not judged on for

645
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: those who are there, is fantastic. I mean I think

646
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 4: anybody who was in the Bay Area in San Francisco

647
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: last year. I mean there's tons of events and parties,

648
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 4: and there's a fan festival kind of like this. I mean,

649
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: people love that experience there the game itself, as we've

650
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: not put our best foot forward, and I think the

651
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: players recognize that. We recognize that. So, as you mentioned,

652
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: we're talking about changing the concept, doing something maybe close

653
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 4: to what the NHL did in the four nation faceoff.

654
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it if it were just straight

655
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 4: up USA World, as much as fans would love that,

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure be fair to the players because roughly

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Speaker 4: thirty percent of the players are up from outside the

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Speaker 4: United States, so it wouldn't be fair to pick half

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Speaker 4: the team from thirty percent and the other from seventy percent.

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Speaker 4: But I think we're looking I know we're looking at

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Speaker 4: different formats now talking the Players Association because we need

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Speaker 4: their agreement where we would use that concept again similar

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Speaker 4: the NHL did, where you'd create that passion around the

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Speaker 4: USA playing other countries, other regions.

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Speaker 6: In the world.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm particularly excited about it. I'll just add,

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Speaker 4: so next year, our All Star Game is moving to

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Speaker 4: NBC where it was in the old days, and we'll

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Speaker 4: be in the middle of the Winter Olympics. So on

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Speaker 4: the Sunday when the All Star Game takes place, for

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Speaker 4: TV watchers, they'll be watching the Olympics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, all day, then you'll.

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Speaker 4: Come to our All Star Game, and then after All

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Speaker 4: Star Game, we'll be going back to the Olympics. So

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Speaker 4: I'd love to play off that theme that we'll be

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Speaker 4: smacking the middle, as I said of that Olympic competition.

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Speaker 4: So I think it's a good time for us to

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Speaker 4: be looking at those formats.

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Speaker 5: Okay, cool, cool, Yeah, Oh, I wanted to ask Pseudo,

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Speaker 5: so Lebron you know he's on his last.

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Speaker 3: Leg the league. Make sure you said that, not me.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying that who you think that can fill that

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Speaker 5: void of like the new face of the NBA.

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Speaker 4: Just like you know, I always say, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: we don't create those faces of the league office. They

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Speaker 4: earn it on the floor. It's interesting to watch these finals.

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Speaker 4: Obviously Shay is our MVP. He was the scoring leader

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Speaker 4: this year, but again I mean he's he's having a

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Speaker 4: great final so far. But ultimately Lebron is a face

690
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Speaker 4: to the league, and Michael was and KD was, and

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Speaker 4: these guys and Steph because they win championships. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's looking fairness to any individual player. It's also a

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Speaker 4: team sport, and Lebron made that point the other day

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Speaker 4: for sure, but look at sports are about competition, it's

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Speaker 4: about winning. And the great news is kind of like

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Speaker 4: what I was saying about the draft earlier. I don't

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Speaker 4: have to sit here and predict sort of who our

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Speaker 4: next face of the league is. They they earn it,

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Speaker 4: you know, they are established by what they do on

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Speaker 4: the floor, and it's it's great to see now that

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Speaker 4: this next generation. I think in a way it's the

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Speaker 4: best of all worlds because Lebron is still at forty

703
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Speaker 4: years old playing an incredibly high level.

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Speaker 3: Steph is playing an incredibly high level, so is Kevin.

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Speaker 4: You know, so there it's wonderful to see that generation

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Speaker 4: still here mentoring this next generation, but ultimately ultimately that

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Speaker 4: that this next generation who want to take that mantle

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Speaker 4: from them again, that that's where the competitive juice is coming.

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Speaker 4: They got to earn it by demonstrating they deserve to

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Speaker 4: be the face of the league by their performance on

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Speaker 4: the floor.

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Speaker 3: Gotcha, definitely.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask I think for all those basketball

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Speaker 1: heres in the off season, we get to see all

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Speaker 1: the players playing different situations. Now when you're integrating the NBA,

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Speaker 1: like having the Drew League on the NBA app, things

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Speaker 1: of that nature. Is that something that's like purposely saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're going to embrace every aspect of this game and

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Speaker 1: keep growing. Or is this something organically guys, just like

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Speaker 1: you know what, if everybody's rocking with this, we might

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Speaker 1: as well include ourselves in that.

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Speaker 4: I would say it's that's a case where it's definitely both.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what's cool about the Drew League or Rucker

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Speaker 4: or anything else is that it's truly organic. I can

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Speaker 4: take zero credit for that, but then we can be

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Speaker 4: very intentional about it and say the NBA app is

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Speaker 4: a central repository of basketball of every you know, over time,

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Speaker 4: truly everything basketball, but right now anything involving NBA players.

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Speaker 4: NBA players are playing in those summer leagues, whether it's

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Speaker 4: Drew or whatever else that you know. Especially one thing

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Speaker 4: about social media, it's not always fine. It's not always

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Speaker 4: easy to discover what you're looking for. If you think

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Speaker 4: pretty good at feeding you more basketball you've shown interest

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Speaker 4: in it, But there's nothing like that ability to go

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Speaker 4: to the NBA app and that is identifying for you.

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Speaker 4: If there's great basketball out there involving NBA players off

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Speaker 4: We're gonna deliver it directly to you and that and

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Speaker 4: that's a place where we're trying to get a lot

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Speaker 1: Most definitely for sure. Now, listen, I got the jersey on.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying they got a lot of fans missed the

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Speaker 1: classic jerseys. Is there a world where we could possibly

748
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Speaker 1: have the All Star Game back into the original uniforms

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Speaker 1: of the players.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm looking around there. There's a there's a

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Speaker 4: nodding your head? Yes, he's saying, yes, we're gonna we're

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Speaker 4: looking at that idea. No, it's we we go back

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Speaker 1: Listen man, we have fanatics with it and we got

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Speaker 6: Hey, yes, sir man, make my younger get up and

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Speaker 6: greet me. Man, turn my mic on in this s

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Speaker 6: motherfucker man?

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Speaker 1: What up?

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Speaker 2: Younger?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 6: Bro?

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Speaker 2: Huh?

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Speaker 1: What's up.

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Speaker 2: Man, you remember you punched me. Let's get this swing

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Speaker 2: out this south.

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Speaker 6: The wa just get it out the way right now.

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Speaker 6: This dude right here, he used to play so much.

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Speaker 6: I just want to beat his ass.

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Speaker 2: Ain't too much. It's young, bro.

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Speaker 6: He just played entirely too much. Man, you're trying to

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Speaker 6: get back in the league.

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Speaker 3: This league's playing.

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Speaker 2: Around too much. Say, I did play around a lot,

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Speaker 2: but we had to get your side of the story.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, two sides to the story.

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Speaker 2: So do you remember what happened? Y'all really believe to

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Speaker 2: you going that? He said, Really, I'm gonna tell you,

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Speaker 2: I'm put it for you. So I used to mess

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Speaker 2: with back every day.

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Speaker 1: And he used to be like, man, shut them like

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Speaker 1: shut up, always talking like so I used to mess

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Speaker 1: with him.

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Speaker 2: He was the one day we was eating, I was

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Speaker 2: we was in the thing and I was sitting back

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Speaker 2: and he walked up. He was like, I was like,

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Speaker 2: I was hot. I ain't thinking nothing of it, Like, man,

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Speaker 2: what the Marvin? Like, what you're gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: G initial ain't a young fellow's my little homie.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: Y'all doing good things up here, bron We didn't watching y'all. Man,

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Speaker 2: we're trying to man long awaited episode.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: We happy you could pull up.

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Speaker 1: Man, Like we said, we all big fans to you

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Speaker 1: for show Man grew up with the Sea Man's Man.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start first and foremost. We all love the

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Speaker 1: good feet game, and you got some legendary kicks, right,

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Speaker 1: So what's it like?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You know how you came into the league, But what's

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Speaker 1: that moment with Tamates his first signature shoot?

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Speaker 2: Just like that that kid?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 2: You know, shit, we always a kid playing on a.

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Speaker 6: Playground and you was out there with your favorite player

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Speaker 6: hooping in them shoes.

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Speaker 2: And for me it was MJ's, it was pips, and

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Speaker 2: then penny.

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Speaker 6: Came along, and that's all I wore when I had,

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Speaker 6: you know, an opportunity to get some pennies. But then

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Speaker 6: when I it came along with I got my shoe,

875
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 6: and then it wasn't. It wasn't to the point I

876
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 6: saw my shoe had it in hand, award. But when

877
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 6: you go out in public and you see kids or

878
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 6: your fans with your shoe, that's the validation right there.

879
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: That's like, damn, Doug, I made it.

880
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: What's crazy seeing somebody with your jersey or see somebody

881
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: with the sneaks song noh, the sneaks because anybody in

882
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: the NBA gonna have a jersey. Everybody can have them sneaks, everybody.

883
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: Can have it on.

884
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 5: See that black and blue colorway, crazy oog color way.

885
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: And what's crazy is you know what I'm saying.

886
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: You had like eye kind of moments in your shoes,

887
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, the TMAC once the

888
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: All Star moment off the backboard, Like yeah, when you

889
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: see that, you just see like moments Like when we

890
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: look at other peoples shoes, we think of moments. So

891
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: for you to have your first couple of signatures are

892
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: like crazy moments in them. It just kind of like

893
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: submitted it all in. Our moms want to ask you,

894
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: what's your favorite shoe that you designed? What's your favorite

895
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: Tmax shoes? Uh?

896
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 6: For me, it's the three point five And a lot

897
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 6: might not know about the three point fives. I ward

898
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 6: those when I was on the USA team was a

899
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 6: qualifying team, but about three point five. But because they

900
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 6: don't know, I'll say the t MAC threes threes was

901
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 6: the most the fire that we still selling to this day.

902
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

903
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: The t MAC three is you know what I'm saying,

904
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: always got me a whooping in my household because I

905
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: asked my mama about two pair of shoes so I

906
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: can missmash them, and she was like, yeah, we ain't

907
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: going for that, most definitely, man. But listen, man, before

908
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: we get to the episode we got to get for you, man,

909
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: shout out to.

910
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: Temm Me John Me John John.

911
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, be here. Tell the people they need to

912
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: do for you, sir, man, just wear draws, rid them draws.

913
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, ain't no white draws.

914
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: Then they got the Elastic Man, the Sindo band for

915
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: Man for today. It's how it takes the ball handling matters.

916
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: Pauls on the court. But I'm talking to get drugs.

917
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: Keep your balls hand over.

918
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: To me, little pouch in the front.

919
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 8: Hey, yo, just to get him together right there? Yeah yeah, yeah,

920
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 8: yeah yeah yeah. Great drums is like great fans. Shout

921
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 8: out to Tommy John.

922
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: Hey, hold.

923
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: Shout out to Tommy Dunn.

924
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: Bro Man, you know we're rocking heavy with y'all, man,

925
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: but you've been going crazy recently. Man.

926
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: We got to talk about it instantly. You about to

927
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: say it.

928
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: Hey, you brought up and we ain't gonna get to

929
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: inho be messy, but you brought up Indiana pace the

930
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: lessen man. What the code is a lace up at

931
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: the CT for the Pacers our dog Jamal intend Sir.

932
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: We heard the back and forth conversation about Kyrie.

933
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: That's cool. We ain't gonna get to that, but it's

934
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: dope to hear players, especially who is around, show love

935
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: that people who don't get like recognition.

936
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: All the time.

937
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 6: I'm glad you said that because that was the sole

938
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 6: reason for for me saying that. I know I'm gonna

939
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 6: trust me. I know basketball, bro, and I know Kyrie

940
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 6: is the best when it comes to handles.

941
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: It's two of my best.

942
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 6: And I'm on record of saying this, it's Kyrie and

943
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 6: his skipped to my lout, my old teammate, then the

944
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 6: two best like for me. But yeah, when I get

945
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 6: an opportunity to highlight somebody that's in my generation of basketball,

946
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 6: my era, I'm gonna take the time to do that.

947
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 6: The thing is, people don't know my agenda when I

948
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 6: said that, so of course I expect that reaction, and

949
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 6: it's the reaction that I wanted, right, because I'm highlight somebody.

950
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 6: Like when you look at Jamal and Tinsley bro people

951
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 6: and comparing him to Kyrie, Yeah, they're gonna laugh at that,

952
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 6: but you go over and really see what that motherfucker

953
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 6: did when he was a rookie. It ain't too many

954
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 6: casts that had twenty three assists when there was a rookie.

955
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 6: So although you might laugh that he's not compared to Kyrie,

956
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 6: he's still somebody you can learn to and appreciate his game.

957
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 6: So using Kyrie was my man, go, you gotta use

958
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 6: somebody like that. And then the trigger words is yeah

959
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 6: he better he got mad at us, right, It's it's

960
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 6: it's the Internet game, bro.

961
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's all I did. So shout out to

962
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: Jamal in Tensley.

963
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 6: Man.

964
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: Now these young folks know who he is.

965
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: That's like looking in the crowd and you still see

966
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: people with t Mac jerseys and stuff like that.

967
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 6: What is that like?

968
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: Because I don't never see a tea anybody tea, but

969
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: like to see that, like, what's that like?

970
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 2: You know tea man?

971
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 6: I It's love bro, you know, And I don't take

972
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 6: it for granted. I appreciate every time I see somebody

973
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 6: with a T Mac jersey on anything T Mac. You know,

974
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 6: even twelve years after being retired, that shit still does

975
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 6: something to me because.

976
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

977
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 6: I appreciate their appreciation of me, and I'm always gonna

978
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 6: show love.

979
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: That's the best one right there? Which one? That ping

980
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: stripe from right here to Buddy Strikes was tough.

981
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you the next one, what's your favorite?

982
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: Because you got a lot of iconic jerseys, know what

983
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You got the Raptors, you got Orlando, you

984
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: got Houston. What's your favorite jersey?

985
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 6: Me? That purple, That purple Raptors jersey is fire. Oh yeah,

986
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 6: I'm talking about like, out of all jerseys, that purple

987
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 6: Raptors fire the rookie year.

988
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the one. Yes, that's the one.

989
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: That's That's that one. Now you look at today's the NBA, right,

990
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: A little bit of a difference between you. You play

991
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more freedom. We've got the finals going

992
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: on right now, Game seven. Okay, see Pacers, I want

993
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: to ask you if you could play for either one

994
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: of those teams right now? Where are you pulling up

995
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: to Indiana?

996
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

997
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: Indiana?

998
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 6: I mean I First of all, they got a freaking

999
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 6: great coach. Rick carlyle Is is probably one of the

1000
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 6: best basketball minds in the game right now, and we're

1001
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 6: seeing that every night.

1002
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: But I like that cohesive. They don't have a superstar,

1003
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: so I like that cohesive.

1004
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 6: I like that they do it by committee and integrate

1005
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 6: somebody like me that could get buckets consistently.

1006
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: With what they already have great shooting.

1007
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 6: You got great predntrators and ask someone that could get buckets.

1008
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: I like my chances most definitely.

1009
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: And you got both those teams. Obviously, with all stars superstars,

1010
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: you have a lot of role players. Do you see

1011
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: the league gravitate more towards that, because I know back

1012
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: y'all that you had the higharchey was a little bit different.

1013
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: You had like two or three guys took the majority

1014
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: of shots. Everybody on the fiel their roles. Now with

1015
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: both these teams, you got some offen bitch who can

1016
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: go shoot sixth threes and it's all gravy.

1017
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I love it.

1018
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 6: I love it because in today's game, there's a lot

1019
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 6: more hoopers, you know what I mean. There's not guys

1020
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 6: that just do one specific thing right, one thing. That's

1021
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 6: really great. You got these guys. Man, they could score

1022
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 6: on both sides of the body. They could do multitude

1023
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 6: of the things on the basketball court coming off your bench.

1024
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 6: When I you know, when I played shit, you had

1025
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 6: somebody that Joe can only he's.

1026
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 2: Only a guy that could shoot in the corner. That's it.

1027
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: Like you just stationary pieces.

1028
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 6: Now you can interchange with these type of players that's

1029
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 6: playing the game today.

1030
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: I like how you said that.

1031
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: Would you think your game obviously you could score them

1032
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: in bunches, You can score any kind of way. You

1033
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: think your game with a trans better now than it

1034
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: did back then. I mean, yeah, come on, team, No,

1035
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm being really. I mean, you average, so you probably

1036
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: would have averaged forty.

1037
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna be arrogant at save forty. In my mind, yeah,

1038
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 6: I feel I can score forty.

1039
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean real lately, I think I.

1040
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 6: Shay average thirty two this year in a wide open league,

1041
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 6: wide open game. I averaged thirty two. When that shit

1042
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 6: was tight, score was seventy eight to eighty. You see

1043
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, and only shot like four or five threes.

1044
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 6: Put me in today's game where I can shoot ten

1045
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 6: eight to ten threes, and I'm gonna get to the

1046
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 6: free throw line because I'm gonna get to my spots.

1047
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: That's deb near a forty piece. Yeah, probably average, that

1048
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 2: might be a forty. And you had that mid range.

1049
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: I we was in Atlanta used to shoot the MIDI

1050
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: used to like, yeah, you probably average forty. I'm thinking

1051
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: about it, like thirty two back, Yeah, you probably gonna average.

1052
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean it's it's an easy game, now, bro,

1053
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 6: you defensively like now I. They want to try to

1054
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 6: add the physicality to it. But if you can't touch

1055
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 6: me when I got the ball in my spot, like

1056
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 6: you got to back up and get me. Nah, I'm

1057
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 6: gonna shoot right up. I ain't even got to put

1058
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 6: the ball on the flo. I'm gonna shoot right on

1059
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 6: your right, in your face. People don't realize how tall

1060
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 6: you are.

1061
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: You you like sixteen.

1062
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: Y'all know.

1063
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: They had me guarding him one time when he was

1064
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: in Detroit. Did you lock it sh it up?

1065
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 6: Hey?

1066
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: No, he went straight to the block. They like, just

1067
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: picky ld.

1068
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 6: Sick up, smart man. I couldn't move really, you you said,

1069
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:46,479
Speaker 6: you know what's crazy? Tied for him to be so good.

1070
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 6: I identify him when I look at Magic Johnson play basketball.

1071
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: I see ty Reese a little bit. Okay, well, here's

1072
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: what I mean by that.

1073
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 6: When you watch Magic play dominant right hand player, dominant dominant,

1074
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 6: you don't really see them do too much on his

1075
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 6: left side of their body. Tyres is the same way.

1076
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 6: If you only could be dynamic on the right side,

1077
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 6: and you got two killers that can play both sides

1078
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 6: all over the court, you think you're gonna beat me

1079
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 6: being dominant on one side.

1080
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: So for him to for Tyre's to be great, Tyree's.

1081
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 6: Gonna have to If you're gonna have four points, damn it,

1082
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 6: you gotta accumulate for your team at.

1083
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: Least forty points. That has to be the accumulation.

1084
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 6: You can't have four points and only accumulate like twelve

1085
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 6: points for your game. Now, if you want to be

1086
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 6: a superstar, I'm fine with four points, but give me

1087
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 6: fifteen assists, give me eight rebounds. That right there, to

1088
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 6: me is like a Jason Kidd. That's a match like

1089
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 6: that's having an end print and you don't have to

1090
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 6: score that much.

1091
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: Gotch.

1092
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 6: But you can't give me four seven, six, nah fan nah,

1093
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 6: I respect it.

1094
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: Teammate when I'm making on this. You know, two years

1095
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: ago they trying to make their jokes about Jaylon Brown

1096
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: and said his left hand is the strongest. But you

1097
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: know what he did, He went and got paid and

1098
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: got a chip. They all talk about got het got

1099
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: a left hand. He ain't gonna left cool. They ain't

1100
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: gotta have a left fit and raised that banterrup killing.

1101
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: Speaking of Jaylen Brown, I noticed, like your little brother,

1102
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: It's like, who reminds you of you in the league

1103
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: right now? Like me, the only person I really see

1104
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: that kind of remind me of you was like Kevin Durant.

1105
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: The way y'all score the ball is really kind of similar.

1106
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: That's that's that's really it. I mean, it ain't too many.

1107
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: I used to think Paul George, but then when I

1108
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: watched PG, y'all kind of a little different. But like

1109
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: you and KD, y'all do the rocker hanging dribble, pull up?

1110
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 6: Why why why?

1111
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: PG?

1112
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: What?

1113
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: He was a little more like pinned down shoots he

1114
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: tried he tried today. Funny like that.

1115
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: I like that. I like you froight. But speaking of

1116
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: comparison to somebody youngster is coming up. I've seen a

1117
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: lot of people do a lot of you know, comparisons

1118
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: for as Bailey to say, you know, best case scenario,

1119
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: he could be a really he could be close to

1120
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: Tracey McGrady.

1121
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 6: How do you feel about that? I like a the

1122
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 6: Bailey's game. I actually want to see him in and

1123
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 6: play this year. The kid has tremendous upside, smooth about

1124
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 6: six six seven, six eight, got a nice shot.

1125
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: Tough shot maker.

1126
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 6: You gotta be a tough shot maker if you want

1127
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 6: to be compared to me, you got to be able

1128
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 6: to make tough shots. And I think he he's going

1129
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 6: to be able to developing that creativity off the dribble.

1130
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 6: Needs to get better, but he has the potential most definitely.

1131
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: Obviously, you know you went straight out of the high

1132
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: school to the league with the nil situation. Now you

1133
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: know you do a lot of mentoring you around these kids.

1134
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: What's the advice that you give them?

1135
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: Now?

1136
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: With you know what I'm saying, you could possibly make

1137
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: more money going back to school than being a first

1138
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: round pick.

1139
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: You saying what would I do?

1140
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: I know what you do it.

1141
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 2: I'm saying, what advice did you get the youngest man?

1142
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 6: Honestly, I think you got to have people around you

1143
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 6: that that understands finances, you know what I mean, because

1144
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 6: given high school kids, you know, to five million dollars,

1145
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 6: that's tough to have for them on their mental I

1146
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 6: was eighteen years old coming out of high school, signed

1147
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 6: a twelve million dollar deal, but I still kept my drive,

1148
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 6: like I didn't let that effect where I wanted to

1149
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 6: go with my game. And I think a lot of

1150
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 6: these kids now, Man, I'm hearing them, it's like they

1151
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 6: feel like they made it.

1152
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: When they get their money, bro, it takes a little

1153
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 2: bit of that drive away.

1154
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 6: And I don't think these kids have that same type

1155
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 6: of drive or you know, and enthusiasm to reach the

1156
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 6: highest level of basketball within themselves. You know what I'm saying.

1157
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 6: When they get this money, I think they lose a

1158
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 6: little bit of that. And it's strong and important that

1159
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 6: they have people around them that can understand the money

1160
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 6: and what to do with it, but also keep them

1161
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 6: level aheaded and keep them focused on the task that hand.

1162
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 6: And that's improving as a basketball player because you nowhere

1163
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 6: near where you're going to be in five to ten

1164
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 6: years definitely.

1165
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 1: And you talk about this all the time because Seee

1166
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: is a coach, right now then I Yo, it looks good,

1167
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: but it could stunch your growth. Where you you get

1168
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: this money now, you can jeopardize some money later. But

1169
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: it's crazy how y'all talk about as professionals, but they

1170
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: take advice from other people who ain't even got to

1171
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: that level yet. It's like they forget the main thing.

1172
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: Like the goal is to make it to the NBA.

1173
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: Like that's the goal. I tell all the kids that

1174
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: I come in contact with, like, Okay, you can get

1175
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: this money. That's great, you can help your family right now.

1176
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: But the goal is to make it to the league.

1177
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: Like two million dollars. Believe it or not, it go

1178
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, it's not a lot. I used to

1179
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: think people was crazy when they said that. I'm like,

1180
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: two million dollars, you crazy, I'd be good for life.

1181
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: But in that world it goes kind of quick though.

1182
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're trying to keep up with the Joneses. Then

1183
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 5: when you run out your money, then your family looking

1184
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 5: at you like what's the next? Now you even to

1185
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 5: fuck your whole self up in your career, so I'll

1186
00:55:59,719 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 5: get it.

1187
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be the first thing is they take care

1188
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: of everybody.

1189
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 2: Else with that money.

1190
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: They stressed out and now they don't get no more money.

1191
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 6: It's scary, man, It's a scary situation, you know what

1192
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 6: I mean, because these guys are so fragile, and it's

1193
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 6: glorified on social media, so that's all they see. Yeah,

1194
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 6: they're consuming all this information being social media, and they thing, damn,

1195
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 6: I'm getting this money. Like I got a lot of

1196
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 6: money in my pocket. I'm rich now, Nah, bro you

1197
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 6: you ain't nowhere near that. You can blow that shit tomorrow.

1198
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: Now you talked about you came into the league at eighteen,

1199
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, got you some chicken, but

1200
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: now you're responsible. But what was your first like wild

1201
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: out purchase? Was like, all right, I'm on that today.

1202
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 6: My first wild out purchase. Honestly, my wife like because

1203
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 6: listen on, look man, man, look, let me explain. All right,

1204
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 6: let me explain. Let me explain.

1205
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: So I'm crazy, like you married. Yeah, you broke bread,

1206
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: broke bread. Let me tell you so, I always like

1207
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 2: Biggie was my favorite artist.

1208
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 6: Back then, and Biggie used to talk about Lexus land Cruiser. Okay,

1209
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 6: so I always wanted a Lexus land Cruiser.

1210
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: Bro.

1211
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 6: So when I graduated high school, I drove to Raleigh,

1212
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 6: cause that's I was in Durham, North Carolina.

1213
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: I drove to Raleigh.

1214
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 6: I'm at the Lexus JYP dealership looking to get my

1215
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 6: land Cruiser. I see this this female that's the receptionist.

1216
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: I was like, damn.

1217
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: So I had to go talk to him to see

1218
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: what's up.

1219
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 6: After that, this is the time where before the draft,

1220
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 6: I'm driving. I'm going around touring all my teams. Man,

1221
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 6: so I got connected with her. The Bulls are playing,

1222
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 6: we go to dinner, watching the NBA Finals. I felt like,

1223
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 6: this is gonna be my wife.

1224
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: Bro.

1225
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 6: I'm traveling from city to city, calling her on the

1226
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 6: on the flight, on my flight checking in. That's when

1227
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 6: they had phones on the plane. So I'm swiping my

1228
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 6: credit card calling this woman. This was nineteen ninety seven, fan,

1229
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 6: it's what twenty twenty five?

1230
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 2: Still married as four years later? So yeah, louis.

1231
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 6: Right?

1232
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: Invest him ninety seven ninety seven? Dog ow old? Was

1233
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: he ten ninety seven? How old are you?

1234
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm thirty seven ninety seven. I was seven, Yeah, I

1235
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: was ten. Now I gotta ask a questions. Did you

1236
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: still buy the car? I still bought the car?

1237
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah?

1238
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: Where is it that now, Oh, I sold it out.

1239
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: That's just man. That motherfucker probably crushed somewhere in the

1240
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: junk yards.

1241
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you, did you and Vince ever

1242
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 5: have any one on one matchups?

1243
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: Nah? Never?

1244
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: Nah, we didn't.

1245
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 5: Where did uh tell me about your one on one league?

1246
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 6: Man?

1247
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 3: How that's so?

1248
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 6: I started my one on one in twenty twenty two,

1249
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 6: and it's really just based off of my story and

1250
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 6: how I got to where. You know, I ended up

1251
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 6: being nineteen ninety six junior in high school, one of

1252
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 6: the best players in Central Florida. No one really knew

1253
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 6: about me and outside of my region. This guy from

1254
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 6: Adidas comes to my high school and he has a

1255
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 6: camp that wants me to attend.

1256
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: This camp.

1257
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 6: I go to ABCD. We all know about the ABCD camp.

1258
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 6: Lamar odam top high school players. I make a name

1259
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 6: for myself on this platform, right, It's not that anything

1260
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 6: changed about me. It's just a platform that I got

1261
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 6: on and they created, you know, some buzz for me.

1262
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: Ended up being the number one player in the country. Well,

1263
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: for these kids.

1264
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 6: Out here that it is being overlooked, probably had some

1265
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 6: you know, turbulent times on their journey. Basketball who knows

1266
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 6: somebody in the family probably died.

1267
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: He had to step up as a man and take

1268
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: care of the family. You just don't know what their

1269
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: role was.

1270
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 6: For these cats, I wanted to create a platform for

1271
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 6: those type of dudes that get overlooked. And one on

1272
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 6: one basketball is not for everybody. It's a lot of

1273
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 6: talent out there, Jeff. You know it's some cats on

1274
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 6: your block where you come from, nice as hell at

1275
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 6: one on one so and to me, we all grew

1276
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 6: up playing one on one basketball.

1277
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: That's the pure essence of our sport.

1278
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 6: So creating that that that foundation for these guys, that platform.

1279
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 6: I wanted to create stars through one on one basketball.

1280
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 6: And that's what OBL is really about, just really giving

1281
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 6: guys another chance, giving them.

1282
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: A hope to live out their dreams. Because we all

1283
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: come from places. It's like such and such could have

1284
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: made it. But such a such could have did this,

1285
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: but so from somebody else, have another outlet, maybe not

1286
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: the most traditional roud because you never know what they

1287
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: got going on, but a chance to make it to

1288
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: feed their family from basketball. That's always a good look show.

1289
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: So check us out.

1290
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 6: OBL started a YouTube channel week We're going on five

1291
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 6: part series right now. We got four souls out and

1292
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 6: you can see what I'm doing with these guys. Man,

1293
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 6: they I think they appreciate that. We need to come comment.

1294
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 6: Tell you one of them, bro, y'all come do it, bro,

1295
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 6: I want to comment.

1296
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: Let's come out here acting food. Next one, I'm for

1297
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: real sal pull up all right, so WAC love that?

1298
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: So most definitely man make some moist team at one

1299
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: time for the one time Mac wear.

1300
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 5: Them drums, Mat and Neal size boy and they ain't

1301
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 5: thaying and that little pouch should I walk around the

1302
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 5: beach with them?

1303
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 6: Walk around the beach? Well, that's on you saying, don't

1304
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 6: shirt on with just these just the drowns?

1305
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 2: Are you out of podcast?

1306
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: On the respect man, y'all wearing them boxes for Showman

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Speaker 1: on top of mobawke you.

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Speaker 2: Doing your appreciate y'all? Yeah, give it up, give it up,

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Speaker 2: give it up again?

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Speaker 6: Club five twenty Okay on the big stage, I was

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Speaker 6: holding it down.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I don't know what they're doing, but hey, don't worry.

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Speaker 8: Be back here one forty five for the shub park

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Speaker 8: Off podcast with Cee see Sabathia.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be going all day, all week.

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Speaker 1: The volume