Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime. H
Speaker 1: m hm, welcome back to another edition of All the Smoke,
Speaker 1: Day two in l A. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys recognized with me and Jack got on, Me and
Speaker 1: Jack got onesome. Me and Jack got on some new
Speaker 1: merch Jack, where can they get this ship at all
Speaker 1: the smoke down store? Oh? Yeah? Where about that the
Speaker 1: viol that had? Where do they get that at all
Speaker 1: of that store? I know they probably can't get these,
Speaker 1: but where they get them? Jay's that I can't get them?
Speaker 1: Stock Mark, They probably can't. They won't be free anyway. Man.
Speaker 1: We had a special guest today, three times Super Bowl champ,
Speaker 1: just all around good dude, Julian Edelman. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: The world needs to know that me and you had
Speaker 1: a long night out together. We'll get there, get there,
Speaker 1: We'll get there. Bowl. You recently played an April Fool's
Speaker 1: joke and said you were coming back to play with
Speaker 1: Tom again. Uh, obviously a joke, but any doubt in
Speaker 1: your mind that you still want to play football? No,
Speaker 1: I mean it was a joke. April Fool's joke target market,
Speaker 1: you know. But you know they say they say, they
Speaker 1: say jokes, hold hold a little bit of truth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you definitely have competitive juices that are always
Speaker 1: flowing in your in your body as an athlete, especially
Speaker 1: if you think you could still do it. Last year
Speaker 1: it was tough because it was still very familiar in
Speaker 1: my mind, like the agony of being an older player
Speaker 1: in the league having to do so much more to
Speaker 1: take carry your body. Now it's you know, I've had
Speaker 1: that year to like get over that, and you know,
Speaker 1: now I'm in the mindset where like, all right, my
Speaker 1: body feels kind of good. You know. Hey, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not hurting like it did in certain ways. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm not putting the same amount of loadage on it.
Speaker 1: I'm thirty five, thirty six. It's still olds. It's not
Speaker 1: to us. I mean football years, football years is I
Speaker 1: mean what they take. You can't you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: even you can't put Brady in the conversation. It's like
Speaker 1: an oxymoron how old he's. It's different, especially to you're
Speaker 1: you're out there running routes and and and and catching
Speaker 1: balls and taking big hits. Yeah, it's I mean it's
Speaker 1: still hard blocking, that's very tough. I think it's more
Speaker 1: of the constant grind of like practice, you know, cutting
Speaker 1: and really working on your craft and redlining your body
Speaker 1: so much to get the best for Sunday and for
Speaker 1: the season and for like longevity and staying healthy. You
Speaker 1: have the redline so much that it breaks you down.
Speaker 1: So you know that that's what I was dealing with.
Speaker 1: So how has retirement between you? It's been good? Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I transitioned to inside the NFL, which streams
Speaker 1: on Paramount Plus. Of course you guys, you guys know
Speaker 1: that Paramount Plus. Uh. In the family. In the family
Speaker 1: which has been good. Uh, great group of guys, Ray Lewis,
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall, Phil Simms, j B. You know, I can't
Speaker 1: forget about Mike Irving and and to get to sit
Speaker 1: down with legends of the game and and talk ball
Speaker 1: and keep your mind in the game. That was a
Speaker 1: great transition for me. It was very new sitting in
Speaker 1: front of the camera and having to learn how to
Speaker 1: you know, perform. I didn't have any prior experience, you know, B.
Speaker 1: Marsh she was doing it while he was playing, like
Speaker 1: then he transitioned into it you know, the other guys
Speaker 1: have been doing TV for ten plus years, so you
Speaker 1: know there was an intimidation factor. But then it got
Speaker 1: me back to like that rookie year mode when you're
Speaker 1: trying to make a team. You know, it's a new craft.
Speaker 1: You gotta like get back into that rookie mode where
Speaker 1: you just gotta work hard, work on your ship and
Speaker 1: you know, go from there and try to put it together.
Speaker 1: What are some of the other business things you're in
Speaker 1: because you've got your hands all over and I just
Speaker 1: love for for fans to always hear you know how
Speaker 1: versatile we are in the business space. We're not stuck
Speaker 1: to any one thing. We're all over the place. So
Speaker 1: what's some stuff we got. I have a production company,
Speaker 1: Coast Productions, were in development with two shows, a scripted
Speaker 1: comedy and then a docuseries. I can't get too far
Speaker 1: into it. We're producing a podcast which I'm doing with
Speaker 1: Sam Murel, which will be really fun. It's like a historical,
Speaker 1: uh sports podcast, which it's gonna be a fun thing
Speaker 1: to do. We're developing that, which you guys gotta come
Speaker 1: on sure because of some basketball stuff. You gotta get
Speaker 1: your take, you guys, you know, you guys know how
Speaker 1: to get the ratings, you know kids, and I've been
Speaker 1: I walk into this place. I'm sitting here like, look
Speaker 1: at this, this is professional, this is so. This is
Speaker 1: d One, not a kid. We used to say, man,
Speaker 1: you d one because you wanted to go on. But
Speaker 1: no that I got that. You know, we got a
Speaker 1: merch company that we still do. We're very heavily um
Speaker 1: involved with, uh you know, the Boston market still we
Speaker 1: still I still love and support everything Boston does. And
Speaker 1: then uh, you know, put me in as a charity.
Speaker 1: Charity organization that I'm working with that I partnered with,
Speaker 1: which uh you know, we help kids that have incarcerated parents,
Speaker 1: you know, mentor them to get you know, sporting goods, mentoring,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get these kids, you know, on
Speaker 1: that right schedule because of the cars they're dealt with,
Speaker 1: you know, you try to help them get their's right.
Speaker 1: I love to hear that you touched on something, uh
Speaker 1: that I want your perspective from, because I'm sure it's unique.
Speaker 1: Uh the sports fan in Boston, Yeah, and just the
Speaker 1: culture of sports. And I know you're someone that jumps
Speaker 1: to Celtics games and obviously you're running with the Pats
Speaker 1: and the Rings. But what is that to people who
Speaker 1: I've never I'm I'm a pro athlete, and I gotta
Speaker 1: taste of going in and out like the people that
Speaker 1: will never experience what that sports town really means and
Speaker 1: what it's like. Yeah, Boston is you know, it's there's
Speaker 1: no like regular seasons like summer, fall, winter. It's Bruins, Celtics, Pats,
Speaker 1: and you know that's how they had to go by
Speaker 1: the seasons. That's how they go by seasons, you know.
Speaker 1: And Red Sox can't forget the Red Sox, you know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, uh, you know. I grew up
Speaker 1: in the Bay Areas, so I was very accustomed to
Speaker 1: pro sport team city area. You know, we didn't have
Speaker 1: big college football. We like the Niners, the Giants, and
Speaker 1: the Warriors. You know, the Sharks were expansion team. So
Speaker 1: I kind of got that in back in like those
Speaker 1: early nineties, late eighties with some of those really good
Speaker 1: baseball teams. The Niners are the Niners, you know, so
Speaker 1: I got that. I'm a Niner fan, and then I
Speaker 1: moved over to Boston and it was like a whole
Speaker 1: different level level. I mean just the history that each
Speaker 1: and every one of these proteins have like they're from
Speaker 1: the start, you know, and then being in a dynasty
Speaker 1: team as with the Patriots and developing their history and
Speaker 1: their their footprint and being a part of that, like
Speaker 1: you know, it's been an unbelievable experience. These people love
Speaker 1: their sports. They expect winning. I mean, you got like
Speaker 1: twenty year olds that have seen championships and every every
Speaker 1: single sport, which is ridiculous, you know, and now you
Speaker 1: know it's spoiled, it's re reshaken, and you know how
Speaker 1: how it goes in sport, but uh, it's been an
Speaker 1: unbelievable place to play. People love it. Blue collar, finger
Speaker 1: in the nails, you know, it's it's been crazy. You
Speaker 1: can run from Mayor out there if you wanted, Mighty
Speaker 1: Mayo Walsh, no, no, no Mayor here. Red was city bringing,
Speaker 1: like upbringing. Had an older brother seven years older than me,
Speaker 1: so he was always with my ass. So I was
Speaker 1: like a real small kid. I never took ship from
Speaker 1: anyone because of you know, I had an older brother.
Speaker 1: Wasn't scared of no one, and you know that kind
Speaker 1: of created a chip on my shoulder. Played baseball, basketball
Speaker 1: and football until high school. Was a late bloomer, had
Speaker 1: to go junior college when to Juco College of San
Speaker 1: Mateo to get re recruited, played quarterback, balled out there,
Speaker 1: ended up going to Kent State after that, played three
Speaker 1: years there and then ended up getting into the league.
Speaker 1: You know, I was always the the tough white kid
Speaker 1: that was more athletic than anyone thought that that he was.
Speaker 1: And I was always the only only guy there, the
Speaker 1: only white guy they're hanging out with all the fellas,
Speaker 1: you know, So like I grew up around That's what
Speaker 1: I know, you know, and then dipping into you know,
Speaker 1: getting in the league and you know, being in that
Speaker 1: kind of locker room and having to reinvent myself and
Speaker 1: become you know, a receiver that was like a whole different,
Speaker 1: you know category. So that's that's what my upbringing was
Speaker 1: that helped me get to where I'm at right now,
Speaker 1: because everything that I had to go through as a
Speaker 1: young kid, being a guy that was overlooked, wasn't big enough,
Speaker 1: wasn't fast enough, wasn't strong enough, but was always the
Speaker 1: best at you know what he I was always there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So I having to deal
Speaker 1: with that it helped me in my future to deal
Speaker 1: with getting in the league and hearing those same types
Speaker 1: of things. So you know, I think everything happens for
Speaker 1: a reason, and uh, you know, everything is laid that
Speaker 1: foundation to get me to where I'm at right now.
Speaker 1: You said other sports it wasn't nice and hoop. Now
Speaker 1: I wasn't nice. I was athletic. I was a football
Speaker 1: player basketball. Huh No, absolutely not absolute Billy Hoyle out here,
Speaker 1: bro come on, no, Uh, you know I played a
Speaker 1: bunch of au when I was really young because I
Speaker 1: was just rat athletic. And then you know, I was
Speaker 1: a football player. I couldn't play basketball, didn't have the vision.
Speaker 1: I didn't know basketball like I knew football, or you know, baseball.
Speaker 1: Baseball too much a d d for it was too
Speaker 1: slow and probably should have played that would have been
Speaker 1: a lot richer and a lot less pain, but lost less.
Speaker 1: You know. But Party nine is growing up a port
Speaker 1: of Nina fair. You got any Party nine of members,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure he wants to hear him. I the
Speaker 1: one that sticks out like real hard to me. I
Speaker 1: remember watching you know, the Niners are the Packers in
Speaker 1: the division round or the wild card every year they
Speaker 1: will beat us. Every year they beat us. And then
Speaker 1: that one year where Steve Young trips in his drop
Speaker 1: hits uh Owens over in the middle and on middle
Speaker 1: read splits the Safeties puts it in there, catches it
Speaker 1: and he was dropping ball game. That's what people don't realize,
Speaker 1: crying on the side. That's one that you know, I
Speaker 1: remember that was a big win. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I remember a lot of like the Jeff Garcia days
Speaker 1: where it wasn't very pretty. I remember. I remember remember
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice day when j hades not a fans. We
Speaker 1: both said the same, you know, we just become best friends.
Speaker 1: We did Scotty gun shots, will do it. Yeah, I remember,
Speaker 1: I was so hurt. It was Jerry's day. It was
Speaker 1: Jerry's day, and jo went off, and then Jerry went
Speaker 1: to the Raiders, and then I love Ki became a
Speaker 1: Raiders fan because everyone loved Jerry, and he went for
Speaker 1: a thousand in his forties. He went for a thousand
Speaker 1: and went to the Super Bowl, right. Yeah, they went
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl Rich Game and they lost to
Speaker 1: the Center Center. But that's when Gruden left the Raiders.
Speaker 1: When they went to the championship lost the Buck or
Speaker 1: the Pats in the tuck game, and then he flipped sides,
Speaker 1: went to uh Tampa Bay and won it with Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay eat the Raiders. H the next year, good old days.
Speaker 1: Enough of this segment, Enough of this segment. I was
Speaker 1: just in Jerry's world. I don't want to come from
Speaker 1: Jerry's world to hear this. Yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear this. Who are you any role models? Growing up?
Speaker 1: Role models? I'd got to say, my pops, my pops,
Speaker 1: you know, looking back on it, Uh, you know he
Speaker 1: came grew up, you know, in the trailer park without
Speaker 1: a dad, and uh he was always the example for me.
Speaker 1: You know, a five to five guy, get home from work,
Speaker 1: take me to go practice baseball, go practice basketball, go
Speaker 1: practice football, didn't matter. We were practicing everything. But he
Speaker 1: was also like a Dudley do right, you know, a
Speaker 1: guy that you know, had his own little business, came
Speaker 1: up from nothing. Uh always just always was a good example.
Speaker 1: You know, he had his fireside back in the day,
Speaker 1: you know, but like to overcome that and do what
Speaker 1: he's done to give me my opportunity and allow me
Speaker 1: to you know, leap frog our family. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean there's always like that, that parent that has
Speaker 1: to do that grind that gives his kid the better opportunity.
Speaker 1: So then you that kid hopefully takes opportunity and makes
Speaker 1: his family even higher, you know what I mean in
Speaker 1: that in that whatever um an opportunity. So you know,
Speaker 1: he's been a huge influence on me, you know, especially
Speaker 1: after having a kid. You know, I got a five
Speaker 1: year old girl and all those things you heard your
Speaker 1: dad say that, You're like shrugging off, what is this guy? No,
Speaker 1: you know, you're young, dumb, little kid. You know, you're
Speaker 1: starting to see those when you're interacting with your kid
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, he was actually doing the right thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So to have that which
Speaker 1: I don't know where he learned that, because he didn't
Speaker 1: have a pop, you know what I mean. So like
Speaker 1: learn on the fly, learn on the fly, self made
Speaker 1: guy that that's always been It's something my respect. You
Speaker 1: touched on fatherhood. Obviously now being retired, you have more
Speaker 1: time and you have a daughter. What's that like? It's awesome?
Speaker 1: Uh Jack, you got what four daughters? Four? Five? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the little little girls. Hey, we're all the statistics. Um nah,
Speaker 1: it's been awesome because you can actually get in her
Speaker 1: environment and and do the things in her environment. You know,
Speaker 1: as as a parent that I lived in Boston for
Speaker 1: twelve years, you know, first three or four years of
Speaker 1: her life, and I was in New York for the
Speaker 1: last six months doing inside the NFL. She comes out
Speaker 1: for a week a month here. Yeah, she's out here
Speaker 1: in l A. So she come out for a week
Speaker 1: a month. It's not really the same, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's tough and you don't see your kid for three
Speaker 1: weeks and then you know, to have the time where
Speaker 1: even if you don't have her, you can pick her
Speaker 1: up from school, take her home and be in her environment,
Speaker 1: be around her friends. Like that's been like a huge
Speaker 1: eye opener and an awesome experience for me to get
Speaker 1: to see that, you know, taking her to soccer, practice piano,
Speaker 1: getting her to tennis and and you know the whole
Speaker 1: you know, parent life. It's it's fun and to see
Speaker 1: the progression from each week when like gymnastics or you
Speaker 1: see here that she struggled on the beam and then
Speaker 1: the next week like she gets it, you know, or
Speaker 1: like soccer, you know, like scoring goals and stuff that
Speaker 1: stuff like that's pretty fun, you know, it's awesome. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why I left early, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I signed a three year deal
Speaker 1: the year I ended up retiring. It was for those reasons.
Speaker 1: I was missing school stuff. I was missing sporting activities, birthdays, holidays.
Speaker 1: It's just like damn, like those are the days you
Speaker 1: can't get back. You can't, you know. And and it's
Speaker 1: just crazy. You know, I grew up from I grew
Speaker 1: up in like my fan my parents were married. I'm
Speaker 1: not married, you know, with with my daughter's mom and
Speaker 1: like to have that that whole it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a hard life, you know what I mean, you got
Speaker 1: a burden of you know what I mean, I please
Speaker 1: don't take me back. Yeah, it's hard. So and and
Speaker 1: it's a learning experience, you know, it's a learning experience.
Speaker 1: And it you know, if if you're willing to learn,
Speaker 1: and when you're green and you're growing, you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's always the best, you know, And that's what I've
Speaker 1: been learning as this has been going on. So it's
Speaker 1: been an awesome experience. Yes, there's ups and downs, but
Speaker 1: you know, as long as we're going up. I think
Speaker 1: the best thing about us is we don't get credit
Speaker 1: for our hearts and the people we are. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't see what we really go through,
Speaker 1: you know, being a father that's not really there, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's it takes a toll on you.
Speaker 1: I think that probably the most I've ever cried in
Speaker 1: my life has been over my kids and not being
Speaker 1: there and you know what I'm saying, And and that
Speaker 1: distance and the friction that it may cause, they may cause,
Speaker 1: it's not even really there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that that dealing with that alone and be able
Speaker 1: to still be a father that provides a protecting all
Speaker 1: that it takes a lot, and we don't get credit
Speaker 1: for that. Hey, you know it. It's very tough, even
Speaker 1: when you don't like for when you don't have your kids,
Speaker 1: You're you're thinking about your kid, you know, constantly, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's something that you see, something comes on the TV.
Speaker 1: You know, there's always something mind your kid. And so
Speaker 1: that's you know, and then you have to you're being
Speaker 1: a provider. You gotta go out and perform and do
Speaker 1: what you have to do. But then you got like
Speaker 1: a natural guilt or you know, it's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things. There's emotions, and that's I guess that's parenting,
Speaker 1: that's life. We're trying to just bottle these things up.
Speaker 1: And right. I remember my mama said, used to tell
Speaker 1: me all the time I was a kid, that's when
Speaker 1: you know yours. You know, that's where he just like
Speaker 1: didn't realized the rise off, didn't realize it, kept the conversation.
Speaker 1: Remember my mama told me, she used to tell me
Speaker 1: all the time, and I used to stay out the
Speaker 1: house for like weeks and don't come home. She'll be like,
Speaker 1: one day, you're gonna have your own kids, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna see why I'm sitting in his room stressing. I
Speaker 1: just stay going for weeks. Why are you not? Why
Speaker 1: do you ain't tell why you didn't call it? Check in?
Speaker 1: Nothing like that. She's just I'm stressed and missing work
Speaker 1: and all that. And I'm like, you know, I'm alright,
Speaker 1: I'm a grown man now being away from my kids
Speaker 1: and know how things happen. No my kids traveling, playing
Speaker 1: sports and all this stuff, and I know how dangerous
Speaker 1: things are, you know what I mean. So now I'm
Speaker 1: going world, world, World, transitioning. You said you were a
Speaker 1: late bloomer. How tall and how much did you weigh
Speaker 1: going into high school? I was like four eleven a buck?
Speaker 1: Oh five buck? Five? Yeah, that's little. I was little.
Speaker 1: I was a little kid. So like, so how tall
Speaker 1: are you know? How much you right now? I'm five ten? Probably?
Speaker 1: Like what was your playing with? Okay? So you just
Speaker 1: you just it's just a coincident. You're playing weight, but
Speaker 1: I'm two pounds under. I'm just saying, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: s So it's just a coincidence. You've been having all
Speaker 1: the time off are you still playing with? Got here?
Speaker 1: It's up to it. Stay in shape, l A. It's
Speaker 1: always sunny facts facts. So especially as a retired guy,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm my body clocks all fucked up. You know,
Speaker 1: you're like right now it Coachilla just happened so over
Speaker 1: like guys not in good and that was always like
Speaker 1: all right, we have the next day. You know, you
Speaker 1: gotta be a month before that. You know you're not
Speaker 1: working out as much, so you feel, you know, it
Speaker 1: just feels weird. You're you know, because you're so We're
Speaker 1: all creatures a habit, especially as athletes and the routine
Speaker 1: that we've gone through. And if you've played you know,
Speaker 1: ten plus years or something, I mean, especially from when
Speaker 1: you were a kid, that it's essentially the same go
Speaker 1: to school, fucking practice. Now school was just you know,
Speaker 1: go to like film and and installations, which is like
Speaker 1: a class of its own, and then go to practice.
Speaker 1: So you know, my body has been all crazy. But
Speaker 1: I was a late bloomer. It was full late bloomer.
Speaker 1: Can we do coach Heller next year? Come with us.
Speaker 1: I've never been this, I've never been. So we just
Speaker 1: said Chandler Parson yesterday and he drove back the morning
Speaker 1: of and he was I don't want to say on him.
Speaker 1: He had a tough time just getting through the morning. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's just like bro. I had to pull over and
Speaker 1: the rest stop and take a twenty minute power naps
Speaker 1: as he went hard. Yeah, you got you can't drive that.
Speaker 1: Come on the first time. Next year, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: a Showtime house out there. Next year, we're gonna Showtime
Speaker 1: how at a Showtime jet and a Showtime helicopter. They're
Speaker 1: gonna helicopters here from l A. Should we get the
Speaker 1: show here in l A? And then we'll go do
Speaker 1: the show there for two or three days and we
Speaker 1: can and it will go back. Lucky the boss Man
Speaker 1: is here right now, so it's just crazy. Yeah right
Speaker 1: behind the camera. Yeah, target market, target market by target
Speaker 1: market market, run the car. Do you said we're in Hey?
Speaker 1: So when did you feel like was it sa mateo
Speaker 1: Kent or was it finally when you made it? When
Speaker 1: you feel like you were on the radar. As far
Speaker 1: as I know, I could really play this ship. I've
Speaker 1: always known that, but now I have a chance to
Speaker 1: take it to that next level. My whole life, whenever
Speaker 1: I played football, I felt like I was best football
Speaker 1: player in the field, and I always had to hear
Speaker 1: people say no, there's this. Like even until I got
Speaker 1: to the league, I felt like I'm the best. I
Speaker 1: was always the best football player. I didn't care if
Speaker 1: he was faster than this. I felt like I knew
Speaker 1: the game. I knew the vision. I know how to
Speaker 1: set things up. I knew how to run the open field.
Speaker 1: I knew how to make guys miss and how to
Speaker 1: break tackles. I knew you know where they were going
Speaker 1: to out tackle us. Played DP two d be in
Speaker 1: the NFL for a little bit for like a coffee,
Speaker 1: A coffee, a coffee. I mean, it will get into that,
Speaker 1: you know. So I was never always the guy, So
Speaker 1: I was always having like proved myself, and I was
Speaker 1: always a guy that had to like worry about what
Speaker 1: was on my plate at that time in my life.
Speaker 1: And so it was like that until like five years
Speaker 1: into six years, seven years into my career, you know,
Speaker 1: where you you constantly have to prove yourself. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's like that or if I just
Speaker 1: think like that, or if I'm just fucked up in
Speaker 1: the head where like I had to like train myself
Speaker 1: or like make myself think things. But that's how I've
Speaker 1: always felt. I never always thought like I always thought
Speaker 1: I could play football. And of course you always got
Speaker 1: a little nervous and certain situations like your first college
Speaker 1: game or your first pro game. But after the first player,
Speaker 1: after you zone in and you've been prepared for the opportunity,
Speaker 1: you know, once the ball hits your hands, you get
Speaker 1: that first hit, you know, you're like, all right, it's football.
Speaker 1: This is the same ship I've been playing my whole
Speaker 1: life that I you know, I know this ship. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So I've always felt that way. Um,
Speaker 1: and then like in my career, throughout my career, when
Speaker 1: I like the question you say, when did you feel
Speaker 1: like you were there or something like that, I remember
Speaker 1: any time I felt like that, I ended up getting
Speaker 1: hurt or something. When I remember, like in two thousand
Speaker 1: and fifteen, we just want our first super Bowl. In fourteen,
Speaker 1: I was going into that year like I was balling out,
Speaker 1: having career year, and I remember just sitting back like, man,
Speaker 1: this is pretty easy, not like easy, but like like
Speaker 1: sh it's good, you know. And we were like ten
Speaker 1: and oh end up going breaking a foot, you know.
Speaker 1: Then something happened. So then after that, like I became
Speaker 1: like all right, I can't think like that ever, you know.
Speaker 1: And and that's how I had to think. And that's
Speaker 1: how I had to have my mentality in my mindset
Speaker 1: in order for me to prepare my best. You know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't always the I was an asshole, you know,
Speaker 1: but I had to do that. I had to psych
Speaker 1: myself in a certain mindset. You guys have all played
Speaker 1: with someone like that, you know, and I'm like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I had to do that
Speaker 1: to keep my play up right, I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1: I feel it. You started your career early on as
Speaker 1: a quarterback. How would you explain your quarterback and style
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback where you terrible? I just do that,
Speaker 1: can run and kind of throw. No, you know, I was.
Speaker 1: I was a decent college quarterback, dual threat guy. Um,
Speaker 1: you know I I look back on my my throwing
Speaker 1: days and my quarterback days after playing in the league
Speaker 1: and learning a little stupid things here and there, and
Speaker 1: what you if you eliminated certain things, how much better
Speaker 1: you naturally could be? And I I just I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was such a dumb quarterback, Like all security was
Speaker 1: terrible throwing picks. I'd have like four or five plays
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, what's going Oh that's a
Speaker 1: bad motherfucker. But then you have like ten plays where
Speaker 1: I'm throwing the ball, interceptions, ball security putting the ball
Speaker 1: down like I was running around that thing toning like
Speaker 1: a loaf of bread. So you know it. I had
Speaker 1: some good plays, but I wish I would have took
Speaker 1: care of the football more more gratifying, like a dope
Speaker 1: pass run or just a picture perfect pass for both
Speaker 1: for touchdowns. For me, it was a past because everyone
Speaker 1: expected it. As you know, I was that guy where
Speaker 1: I could take off and run on guys. Uh. But
Speaker 1: if if I got like a good pass, that was
Speaker 1: always that was my thing. That was him for you.
Speaker 1: I got you. You always want what you know what
Speaker 1: you always want to do the thing that you was
Speaker 1: you weakness, and that was a weak thrower. So I
Speaker 1: couldn't be in the NFL quarterback, but the British Columbia
Speaker 1: Lions did ask me to come and play quarterback from
Speaker 1: the the CFL. The CFL after retired after my my
Speaker 1: last year of college. Okay, so I was like debating
Speaker 1: that because I didn't I never played receiver. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, how did that transition happened? I
Speaker 1: was just talking to my pops, and you know, he's
Speaker 1: like it was like a super incentive based contract where
Speaker 1: it's like a hundred grand you get like another hunter
Speaker 1: grand if you start you lead top five and PASSI
Speaker 1: like fifty grands. I'm over, You're doing a math and
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's like two hundred grand. It's two
Speaker 1: thousand nine. I'm you know, coming out of college, like
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good money. Six figures, and then
Speaker 1: you know, I thought to myself, like I didn't grow
Speaker 1: up dreaming. I wanted to plan to see if I
Speaker 1: at league. So that was it sounds simple enough. That
Speaker 1: was it. Seventh round draft pick. Thoughts going into the draft. Uh,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get drafted period, period. I was
Speaker 1: like a late round guy athletes. So when you were
Speaker 1: then in the combines, what did you I didn't go
Speaker 1: to the COMBA. Okay, yeah, so I had to add
Speaker 1: a Pro day as a receiver or as just whatever
Speaker 1: the funk they needed so I can kick too. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did receiver drills. The Steelers made me do like
Speaker 1: dB drills, like safety drills. They made me catch punts, kicks.
Speaker 1: It made me do a lot of things. You know.
Speaker 1: It was crazy that the Patriots worked me out like
Speaker 1: three times because the draft process, you go, you do
Speaker 1: your combine, then you have the pro days, then they
Speaker 1: have private workouts, then they have visits, and then the draft.
Speaker 1: So like I started getting I ran some good times,
Speaker 1: so I started getting a lot of calls for like
Speaker 1: these workouts, you know, and then like the Patriots calling
Speaker 1: and they sent out their running backs coach and Ivan
Speaker 1: Fearce funny ask guy, and uh, he made he put
Speaker 1: me through some drills running back stuff, and so like
Speaker 1: then I go out and work out for like Chicago.
Speaker 1: I work out for the Miami Dolphins. Then the Patriots
Speaker 1: sent over the receiver's coach and usually teams don't work
Speaker 1: out two times, and so I do a bunch of
Speaker 1: receiver drills they and then they leave and I go
Speaker 1: work out for another team, and the Patriots send their
Speaker 1: special teams coordinator Scotty O'Brien, and so he makes me
Speaker 1: catch punts, does all these drills. I'm dropping balls left
Speaker 1: and right because like catching a punt, there's an art
Speaker 1: to it, you know, like and I didn't know the technique.
Speaker 1: You know, if the ball turns over with the right
Speaker 1: footed punter, if you know how they turn over, then
Speaker 1: it's gonna go to your left. So you played on
Speaker 1: your right titty. You know, if if it doesn't turn
Speaker 1: over and it stays up, it's gonna die and go
Speaker 1: right victory of the other one, you know, and then
Speaker 1: vice versa for left kickers. And I had no clue.
Speaker 1: I was just over here trying to judge punts. And
Speaker 1: if you know that, it's different, So I dropped a
Speaker 1: bunch of punts. I'm sitting there like I'm not getting
Speaker 1: drafted by the Patriots. I thought I was gonna be
Speaker 1: a dolphin and these these jokers can't pick me up.
Speaker 1: So it's crazy. What was your first introduction to that team?
Speaker 1: I mean you play. You said you had a cup
Speaker 1: of coffee as a dB. When did you because Welker
Speaker 1: was well before you? Was he still there? He was there?
Speaker 1: I played for four years, Okay, so when when when
Speaker 1: did you kind of find your spot? I had I
Speaker 1: had to make myself versatile. Uh my first year, I
Speaker 1: had like thirty six balls forty three balls with playoffs,
Speaker 1: and Welker got hurt and I had some production and
Speaker 1: so like I was thinking the next year, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ball out. Well it's coming back from the
Speaker 1: A c L. And that didn't happen. Welker played, Randy played,
Speaker 1: we traded for Dion Branch and I was kind of
Speaker 1: like trying to find my way. So I was doing
Speaker 1: special teams, returning punts, uh, covering kicks and doing that,
Speaker 1: making plays in the kicking game to earn myself opportunities
Speaker 1: down the team because they kind of moved on uh
Speaker 1: and you know that next year I had like seven balls,
Speaker 1: and next year I had like seven balls, and then
Speaker 1: like my fourth year, you know, I competed well in
Speaker 1: camp and I got a lot of time. At the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, broke a foot, broke a hand,
Speaker 1: so it didn't really get going. And it wasn't until
Speaker 1: like the next contract. I signed a one year deal.
Speaker 1: After that, Welker ended up leaving, going to Denver. I
Speaker 1: signed a one year deal. They wanted a two year
Speaker 1: I wanted a one year UH League minimum. And in
Speaker 1: thirteen and had a hundred and five catches for you know,
Speaker 1: a thousand yards when Welker departed, uh so, and then
Speaker 1: I got paid and signed like a four year deal
Speaker 1: with him again. So that's when you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of got my break and my opportunity on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. But for the first like three
Speaker 1: or four years, I had to grind and I was
Speaker 1: like playing DV was playing fucking special teams, and you know,
Speaker 1: I loved it. You know, I was a teamer. And
Speaker 1: then that's like a different player, Like those guys are
Speaker 1: usually you know, they have to back guys up, you know,
Speaker 1: for roster spots. But they have to be a badass
Speaker 1: motherfucker on the special teams in order to make yourself
Speaker 1: valuable enough to be on a team, because there's only
Speaker 1: fifty three spots, you know what I mean. So you
Speaker 1: know that that was my career. I had to grind
Speaker 1: and grind and battle through injury, you know. And then
Speaker 1: once you know, I got some more opportunity and earned
Speaker 1: more opportunity, that's when you know things went well, too
Speaker 1: good with Randy moss Man. I was about to motherfuckering
Speaker 1: asked that question and he was good. How good was he?
Speaker 1: And what was he like? Because he just sounds kind.
Speaker 1: I never got a chance to me and he just
Speaker 1: sounds so Country's still country. He's still the best thing
Speaker 1: about like Randy, Like in practice, you'd see these crazy catches,
Speaker 1: you know, he was just like it was so easy
Speaker 1: to him and one on ones like and he had
Speaker 1: really good judgment skills. When the ball was in the air,
Speaker 1: he would run and at the last second he would
Speaker 1: just go boop and go because the dbs are waiting
Speaker 1: for you to put your hands out to hit your
Speaker 1: hands and Randy would just he would It looked like
Speaker 1: he wasn't even going and he would just rainbowed in
Speaker 1: and just keep it and keep moving, or he would
Speaker 1: just moss dudes. But like you know, he had the
Speaker 1: one handers all at the time on the sideline. He
Speaker 1: was always really good at that. But it was always
Speaker 1: the best when Randy. Randy would fucking come in on Saturdays,
Speaker 1: which is like walk through day, mental day, day before game.
Speaker 1: Get you you start a little later, everything's kind of
Speaker 1: like we're just mentally turning up, got to travel or whatever. Meetings.
Speaker 1: Randy would roll in and every week give us like
Speaker 1: a breakdown of what happened on sixty minutes the night before.
Speaker 1: He would it would be so funny the way he
Speaker 1: would say ship because his country as fun He'd like
Speaker 1: this bitch over here thought he could kill his Like
Speaker 1: we would sit in our whole receiver meeting and Randy
Speaker 1: would he would tell us like we're supposed to be
Speaker 1: watching ship, but when you're vet, you know, he runs
Speaker 1: the meeting, and he would sit there and he would
Speaker 1: tell us about it and he'd be it was just
Speaker 1: so funny, and we'd all be dying our receiver coach.
Speaker 1: He was a rookie at the times. Chat o'sha he's
Speaker 1: with the Browns Now He's sitting there like, yeah, Randy,
Speaker 1: can we get our meeting started? But he was like
Speaker 1: in pre pre practice lines, Randy was always funny, like
Speaker 1: he would just we would line up in lines offense, defense.
Speaker 1: Randy would be over on the defensive side making fun
Speaker 1: of Willfork the whole time. Will works over here making
Speaker 1: fun of him. Bill roll around swagging his damn fucking
Speaker 1: whistle talking to Ship to Randy, Randy talking Ship the
Speaker 1: Bill Like he was fun to be around, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's that was Randy, and he was
Speaker 1: a bad dude. So you said your first obviously a
Speaker 1: few years you were on the grind. When did you
Speaker 1: feel like you started really developing a relationship with Tom.
Speaker 1: I started developing a relationship probably the second and third year.
Speaker 1: My second and third year, because I found out he
Speaker 1: um trained out here in l A. And we were
Speaker 1: represented by the same agents and doing sports, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, let me know when he's out there,
Speaker 1: so I'll fucking pack up. I'll move to l A
Speaker 1: and train out there, and so he needs me called
Speaker 1: me the first year, like one time packed up the
Speaker 1: middle of anything, fucking left, everything went out and threw
Speaker 1: with them called me more. The second year, they started
Speaker 1: calling me, you know, regularly, and we started working out.
Speaker 1: And that's how we learned each other. You know, because
Speaker 1: I I as a receiver, you're so dependent on a
Speaker 1: on a position with the quarterback. So let's be honest,
Speaker 1: you can't you can't burn the hand that feeds you.
Speaker 1: Whatever he says goes because he's the one who's gonna
Speaker 1: get you the rock. And the more I know what
Speaker 1: he wants me to do while we're doing routes on air,
Speaker 1: and the way he's learning my body language, he's learning
Speaker 1: how I get breaking and out of cut more. You know,
Speaker 1: that's when you start learning, guys. And then I already know.
Speaker 1: You know, in the middle of a play, you would
Speaker 1: say middlefield closed and we run. I had to change
Speaker 1: my route in the middle of the you know the play.
Speaker 1: You know, then I'm I'm it's training you. You know,
Speaker 1: your your your mind and then you're you're figuring each
Speaker 1: other out, and you know, that's when you know we
Speaker 1: we developed a chemistry. Was always in the off season.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until I got my opportunity because he had that,
Speaker 1: he had that chemistry. Welker welcome was sucking due. Welk
Speaker 1: was really good and I learned a lot from him
Speaker 1: because similar though you got similar sizes, he was a
Speaker 1: little smaller actually, he was like he was like five eight,
Speaker 1: about eighty three, but he had he had these releases
Speaker 1: in his fast twitch was so insane where he like
Speaker 1: he could do like three or four little steps in
Speaker 1: front of like a dB that's pressed on him because
Speaker 1: he had such choppy feet, and the guy would commit
Speaker 1: in churn and his hip and he could just go
Speaker 1: and get by. So his routes were really good and
Speaker 1: I got to learn a lot of stuff watching him,
Speaker 1: you know. So you know, but that that chemistry that
Speaker 1: he had with Brady, I had to develop that in
Speaker 1: the off season and that's when, you know, once I
Speaker 1: got a lot more opportunity. That's why I clicked and
Speaker 1: we were able to keep it going. Yeah, he should
Speaker 1: step right in, he said the first year Hud catches. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, what's he like as a person. He's
Speaker 1: I think obviously starting to come out and talk a
Speaker 1: little a lot more. But the day to daytime we
Speaker 1: only get to see the game time. He's one of
Speaker 1: the boys, you know, he's He's a really cool dude.
Speaker 1: He's fun to be around. He got like dad jokes,
Speaker 1: you know, like he because he's like forty three, you know,
Speaker 1: so he'll be like throw a little joke out or something.
Speaker 1: You're like, all right, that was like funny and two
Speaker 1: thou three bro. You know, so like there's banter always,
Speaker 1: it's just soccer talks. He talks hell is ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brady talks ship. Brady loves to compete in anything. We
Speaker 1: go play knockout because Brady, you know, golf, Brady's competing
Speaker 1: ping pong. You know, He's gonna do everything he can
Speaker 1: to win. He's not letting up. If he's playing his
Speaker 1: kid swatting him. You know, there's gonna be a time
Speaker 1: where little Jack's gonna be able to beat him. It's
Speaker 1: it's not Brady's, Brady's breaking his heart, you know. But
Speaker 1: you know he's that's what he is. He's a competitive dude.
Speaker 1: And it was always funny because you would see these
Speaker 1: young ass kids that get in the locker room. And
Speaker 1: I was a young kid when I got in the league.
Speaker 1: He was like thirty three, thirty four, and then he
Speaker 1: played like another twelve. He's still playing in fourteen years.
Speaker 1: So like there's like guys that were like not even
Speaker 1: born playing with the guy that they saw their whole
Speaker 1: life as just a crazy freaking god. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a Michael Jordan of the sport, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You see a kid who's twenty two, twenty three. He's
Speaker 1: been doing that for like the last six years, dealing
Speaker 1: with these kids. Like so he goes in the locker
Speaker 1: room and he doesn't get to feel a lot of
Speaker 1: the you know with the older teams that you know,
Speaker 1: the we're boys type ship, you know, because guys are
Speaker 1: like this dude's famous, you know where like everyone he's
Speaker 1: had an order about him. When you walk around him
Speaker 1: with the young guys, like they're like scared to talk
Speaker 1: to him, you know what I mean, But he'll try
Speaker 1: to joke, you know. So it's it's changed, and you've
Speaker 1: seeing how it's changed, and he has his you know,
Speaker 1: he'll link up with his guys or something, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But now he's he's always very inviting
Speaker 1: to everyone. He's he's like awkwardly nice, but he's definitely
Speaker 1: an assassin when it comes to competing, like in anything.
Speaker 1: That was always the funnest when when like the best
Speaker 1: was always when he fucking ran for a first down.
Speaker 1: Like he would get up so fired up. It would
Speaker 1: be a it would be a six second three yard game,
Speaker 1: but it would be like a third and three or something.
Speaker 1: He would get so fired up and he would getting
Speaker 1: guys faces. That's that's when that that was fun when like,
Speaker 1: or you play the Steelers and there was some ship
Speaker 1: talking going on, he'll single out someone after you throw
Speaker 1: a touchdown and go up to full What do you
Speaker 1: say about that? Like his touchdown wasn't pretty though? No, absolutely,
Speaker 1: He's like a Clydesdale, you know, like Cadillac. The thing's
Speaker 1: gotta eat go. But it's crazy he's but that's he's
Speaker 1: a fun guy. Man. What was one person always wanted
Speaker 1: to know not to cut you off? What's Gronk like?
Speaker 1: He just looks like animal. He's a big kid, and
Speaker 1: people forgot it was crazy not to catch you off.
Speaker 1: I saw something maybe like three weeks ago on early
Speaker 1: Gronk and how but he was a cold People forget
Speaker 1: how good he was when he first got a athletic
Speaker 1: and strong and running over people, and dude, Gronk was insane.
Speaker 1: He looked. I've said it so many times. He looked
Speaker 1: like an eighth grader playing against second graders in the league.
Speaker 1: Like there was a five, like a four year span
Speaker 1: where you couldn't tackle him. And that's why guys started
Speaker 1: going low at him, you know, and then he blew
Speaker 1: out his knee when they went there. He can't get
Speaker 1: him down. Guys will be hitting this guy and he
Speaker 1: bouncing off, and he was so athletic and fast and
Speaker 1: can make catches like he I think he's the best
Speaker 1: tight end that I've seen, not just you know, in
Speaker 1: this era, but I and Gever, like what the what
Speaker 1: makes him so much different than other guys is he
Speaker 1: was a monster in the run game. Great blocker, great blocker, great.
Speaker 1: I mean he he like ended vander Bosh's career, like
Speaker 1: he hit this guy like and that's not good. You
Speaker 1: don't ever want that. But like he was like a
Speaker 1: little last kid like he was, and this was Vanderbosh.
Speaker 1: She was like one of the baddest dudes. I remember
Speaker 1: that in Detroit and that's when I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy's fucking beast. And then you saw him in
Speaker 1: like Washington where he's like dragging people like his early
Speaker 1: clips are insane. I mean he's still I mean, he's
Speaker 1: uncoverable still because he just he's got naturally great hands.
Speaker 1: He can judge football and he's never really covered because
Speaker 1: he's still big, but he's not his you know, like
Speaker 1: those earlier gronks. When you get older than football, you're
Speaker 1: smarten up, you know what I mean. There there's like
Speaker 1: these little things that you would do when you're a
Speaker 1: young player. Probably in basketball too, you're like, instead of
Speaker 1: like yamning on someone, you all right, we're good on
Speaker 1: my knees, you know what I mean. There's these little
Speaker 1: calculated things that when you're young you just go, and
Speaker 1: then when you get older you're like, man, that's that's
Speaker 1: a four week injury. That's a four week sprain ankle
Speaker 1: or knee. If I make this. You know you're not
Speaker 1: thinking that, but you're you're definitely a possibility. You have
Speaker 1: the rare, rare opportunity of playing for the same coach
Speaker 1: your whole career, whole career legendary to go to Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: Was there any bad moments in that time? I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say there was bad moments. There was learning moments. I
Speaker 1: mean I learned on how to be great just through
Speaker 1: example of Bill Belichick, you know, and also Tom Brady's
Speaker 1: a lot of the players, but Bill, you know, with
Speaker 1: with his formula on what he thinks is best for
Speaker 1: his football team and how disciplined he stays to that
Speaker 1: formula like year in and year out, and it's it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I've never seen like, I haven't seen complacency kick in
Speaker 1: with him on on a lot of factors, you know.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's been it's been a crazy, crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy like moments. Even think about you got to play
Speaker 1: with probably one of the best coaches of all time
Speaker 1: in all sports, you know what I mean, This, dude,
Speaker 1: it's nuts. I'm interesting. I'm super interested to see how
Speaker 1: he's gonna do going forward in the new league, because
Speaker 1: this league has changed. It's it's it's it's completely different.
Speaker 1: It's more like basketball. The spacing, you know, and and
Speaker 1: the playmakers on the outside is just changing the game,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Freedom and wrapped and all
Speaker 1: that ship. So it's gonna be it's I'm interested to
Speaker 1: see how uh you know, he evolves. You do you
Speaker 1: do a good impersonation? I heard, and he gives us
Speaker 1: something a little Belichick. He's like, just demoralize you through
Speaker 1: like the simplest way of saying things. It was with
Speaker 1: his tones and like his actions. He had Bill too.
Speaker 1: It was like low lights after practice he would throw
Speaker 1: on the next day in the morning, or something a
Speaker 1: bunch of shitty fundamental plays or something that we would
Speaker 1: do in practice and like if you dropped a ball
Speaker 1: on the flat or something. He would sit there and
Speaker 1: he would rewind it. And this is in front of
Speaker 1: the whole team old team, fucking you know, sixty guys
Speaker 1: regular season with practice squad and all hunter guys because
Speaker 1: you got coaches and all the people upper division. There
Speaker 1: he was sitting. He would rewind it like three or
Speaker 1: four times, right where the you the drop is, right
Speaker 1: where the drop is, right where the drop is, and
Speaker 1: then he would fucking he would look at like the
Speaker 1: crowd of the team because it's like a pavilion and
Speaker 1: be like, you mean to tell me you can't make
Speaker 1: a wide route catch in the National fucking Football League.
Speaker 1: We got kids in Foxborough High School that can make
Speaker 1: this play. And then he would rewind it like four
Speaker 1: more times and he would chime in again. He goes
Speaker 1: like me and fucking Ernie can make this play and
Speaker 1: then he rewind it, and then you go back and
Speaker 1: you assholes can't make that Like that's and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: It would be very subtle, but you you would be
Speaker 1: just sitting there like if it was on your Fuck Jesus,
Speaker 1: can we stop it? Just the embarrassment, like I've just
Speaker 1: seen three thousand fucking guys make this catch in this league,
Speaker 1: three thousands, Like it's just that's how he is. How's
Speaker 1: the fun Bill? I mean you said he was running
Speaker 1: around talking to Randy and lines like the ship talking
Speaker 1: fun side because we only get the short answer, Bill,
Speaker 1: Bill's fun man, He's he's a competitor. The better you were,
Speaker 1: the more you could get away with them, you know,
Speaker 1: especially with the defensive guys's defensive coach, So d guys
Speaker 1: are always talking ship in a happy mood because they
Speaker 1: will be backing them up and call it in practice.
Speaker 1: But like we would be talking ship, you know, and
Speaker 1: you'd be like fuck you in the middle of like
Speaker 1: stretching and stuff, because you kind of know we have
Speaker 1: like a third down period. It's Thursday, it's third down,
Speaker 1: and we've been emphasizing our third and short boat team
Speaker 1: as a team are like ones versus their ones, like
Speaker 1: that whole you know, they used to call a competition period.
Speaker 1: You're not going against the scout teams and so like
Speaker 1: we'd always just talked shipped to each other, and you know,
Speaker 1: he his the way he makes fun of guys is
Speaker 1: like it's extremely funny, you know, I like, and demoralizing
Speaker 1: because he can bring in like facts and players like
Speaker 1: you think you're fucking LT. I played with the best,
Speaker 1: I coached the best. Fun Like he loved LT. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. There's certain guys you think, like
Speaker 1: he just seen so much football where he could just
Speaker 1: demoralize you with like something he says along those lines.
Speaker 1: I love it losing to the Giants, unbelievable season, getting
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. I wasn't playing that much then.
Speaker 1: That was like my third year in the league when
Speaker 1: we had both the tight ends and we kind of
Speaker 1: that's when the change of like re revolutionized offense when
Speaker 1: we brought in Gronk and Hernandez. Gronk was beat up,
Speaker 1: ended up losing that game. That was that was terrible.
Speaker 1: That was that was you know, going in the off
Speaker 1: season the next year after a loss and then you
Speaker 1: know when you get the Super Bowls as a team,
Speaker 1: you lose a lot of guys after the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: because contracts, everyone gets paid, you know, you win it
Speaker 1: or you get to the ball, everyone's getting paid, aid
Speaker 1: and leaving, you know. So then we were in another
Speaker 1: rebuilding stage going into thirteen, which it was like a
Speaker 1: lot of turnover, and then fourteen came and then you know,
Speaker 1: we went and wanted it, and then you know, we
Speaker 1: kept it going for for a while, like I went
Speaker 1: to eighth straight. Like AFC Championship games. We talked at
Speaker 1: so you get your first ring h nine catches one
Speaker 1: on nine. Uh. I had another show before I did this,
Speaker 1: and I got the rare opportunity to sit down and
Speaker 1: talk to Marshawn Lynch on that you know, money two
Speaker 1: yards from the goal line to win the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and they decided to throw it, you guys. So he
Speaker 1: told me how he felt and how all the dudes
Speaker 1: and the huddle were stunned. Even Russell Wilson kind of
Speaker 1: hesitated for a second. What did you guys think watching that?
Speaker 1: Like you, everyone in the world knew it was going
Speaker 1: to him, and when it didn't, what was your immediate
Speaker 1: thought before even before the interception. Put in context, we
Speaker 1: got smoked that fucking play all week in practice, all
Speaker 1: week in practice because like Super Bowl practice week, everyone's
Speaker 1: like tense, everyone's flying. You know, you want to feel good,
Speaker 1: play good, and so like when the defense is out,
Speaker 1: usually we'll be doing things, we do, our work, our sidework,
Speaker 1: and then we get in and we want to see.
Speaker 1: I want to see if the defenses have been studying,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I want to see where
Speaker 1: they're at, if they're feeling confidable. And Josh Boyce was
Speaker 1: running this little rub route like twenty times, smoking us
Speaker 1: on it, smoking us on it, and right when they
Speaker 1: went to that formation we had to like to play.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like we're gonna fucking throw this thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and then it happened. I didn't know it
Speaker 1: was picked, like we couldn't see on the sideline and
Speaker 1: then he picked it. I'm like, oh my god, we
Speaker 1: just want to sucking super Bowl. What the they fucking
Speaker 1: through it. I'm sitting there like money is gonna go in.
Speaker 1: I'm going through, like my how much time we might
Speaker 1: pretend actually have. We might have thirty seconds, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty six seconds? What are players we have time outs,
Speaker 1: you're going situation football. You're thinking about it, and then
Speaker 1: it happened. You're like, oh my god, thank god they
Speaker 1: threw in that moment, you ain't stopping playing the game.
Speaker 1: Dante Hie Tower the play before he fucking got him down,
Speaker 1: and you gotta watch the replay like he got him
Speaker 1: down when he was down with like an arm and
Speaker 1: he got Marshawn lynched. I went that arm. That was
Speaker 1: a huge play. And then you know, obviously Malcolm made
Speaker 1: that and then he made the play. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was in it was in their head. I remember that
Speaker 1: you gotta beat up, you gotta jam the first guy,
Speaker 1: and you gotta break and that that was the coaching
Speaker 1: point that they were trying to get all week, all week.
Speaker 1: At one time it mattered the most, and then boom
Speaker 1: so got it. That was nuts Gate. NFL spends twenty
Speaker 1: two minutes to investigate, y'all. It's the spends Brady for
Speaker 1: four games. But you just looking because like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm a huge football's first for me, I was a
Speaker 1: football player playing basketball. So I love hearing the inside
Speaker 1: side of this ship because I'm a football player. At
Speaker 1: hard you think it was bullshit. Yeah, uh uh, I
Speaker 1: mean there's some bull Like if you look into the
Speaker 1: facts of this whole thing, like both teams balls were deflated.
Speaker 1: Well you know what I mean, like there's a there's
Speaker 1: a whole I think it was, there's a there's a
Speaker 1: witch hunt hunt. I mean that was ridiculous, not to
Speaker 1: the point where they went like you know what I
Speaker 1: mean with with all the facts and on both sides
Speaker 1: this that as much as everyone wants a bitch and
Speaker 1: a plane and and that pissed me off, honestly, was it?
Speaker 1: Uh Baltimore something said something? Then then Indie and then
Speaker 1: Indy you know the next year we played them. I
Speaker 1: was so pumped up. I was so I was too
Speaker 1: fired up. It actually made me not play as good.
Speaker 1: I mean I balled out. I had some some plays,
Speaker 1: but like it took me out of my game because
Speaker 1: I was so fucking at it and it was like
Speaker 1: trying to rain up my guys paray. This was four,
Speaker 1: So this was a big super Bowl. This was like
Speaker 1: he just tied Joe, He just tied Terry Bradshaw, you know,
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks that had four you know, and then
Speaker 1: like this and then he goes out and the whole
Speaker 1: next year it's gone, We're good. And then we in
Speaker 1: sixteen he fucking suspend um and then we go out
Speaker 1: when the Super Bowl, like I don't know it was,
Speaker 1: it was it was crazy, man, I don't know. What
Speaker 1: they were doing was have a preference uh no, more
Speaker 1: of the tack attack of the ball and like because
Speaker 1: like they put those balls through like a huge Each
Speaker 1: one of those balls is like probably hour of men
Speaker 1: work like a game ball with how they rub them.
Speaker 1: They put like the leather conditioners on them. They'll get
Speaker 1: like a a bin of grass and they'll rub them
Speaker 1: in the grass. They put them in the dryer. They
Speaker 1: want they want to get that that like you want
Speaker 1: to beat up kind of broken inversion. And that's what
Speaker 1: like a lot of those like that's what most of
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks do. They're all like very close to their
Speaker 1: their guy. So you know, I don't really care. But
Speaker 1: the tack and like the humidity outside or or you
Speaker 1: know that that's all huge, especially with what glove you're wearing. Everything.
Speaker 1: I always liked a little humid with like a little
Speaker 1: tack on the ball. That was always that was stickies money,
Speaker 1: We need the stickies out. Actually want the money in
Speaker 1: their game. Yeah, y'all down in the locker room. Actually
Speaker 1: one of my friends house and everybody I'm to my
Speaker 1: is in Atlanta. Everybody going for the Falcons have time down,
Speaker 1: which I was thinking in the locker room, I'm talking
Speaker 1: a ship. Still, this is Tom Brady. I'm still talking cash.
Speaker 1: In the back of my mind, I'm like, damn, I
Speaker 1: have lost my money, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: I'm talking ship. I'm still ride with you, which I
Speaker 1: think in the locker room, I was like, fucking it.
Speaker 1: I was embarrassed, you know. I was like, man, we
Speaker 1: can't go out like this. This is ridiculous. That was
Speaker 1: like my initial to myself kind of moment, and then
Speaker 1: you know, you get into like, all right, this is
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. No one ever gets blown on a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl Denver Broncos back when the Niners did, remember or
Speaker 1: the Chargers of the Charger score the Chargers, you know,
Speaker 1: so they're all you know, as long as we kind
Speaker 1: of just play one play at a time, you never know,
Speaker 1: like let's just kind of focus up. The things that
Speaker 1: we did in the first half were like the three
Speaker 1: things that we said we couldn't do. We couldn't turn
Speaker 1: the fucking ball over. You gotta score points in the
Speaker 1: red area. We threw a pick six in the red area,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you have to score touchdowns in
Speaker 1: the red area. We got you know, we got stopped
Speaker 1: twice when we crossed their forty. So like little things
Speaker 1: like we were driving the ball. It wasn't like we
Speaker 1: weren't doing things. We were getting things done. It wasn't
Speaker 1: as clean as we wanted it, but that's how super
Speaker 1: bulls are. This was our second one at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, as this team was going on, so he
Speaker 1: kind of felt that, and you know, then one thing
Speaker 1: led to another. We were just making plays and just
Speaker 1: trying to stick into the game plan, you know, and
Speaker 1: and tighten up the stupid mistakes. And once we did that,
Speaker 1: you know, that's when you know we started playing well.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that had to do
Speaker 1: is they were running us all week that week, Like
Speaker 1: even after the Super Bowl, we were still doing condition
Speaker 1: and Bill will be trolling as fucking his whistle and
Speaker 1: he just yells, put it in the bank. While he's
Speaker 1: while we're running up we have uphill runs. He's like,
Speaker 1: just put it in the fucking bank. You gotta deposit
Speaker 1: the hard work, like you say, ship like that when
Speaker 1: we're running and we played like a hundred and five
Speaker 1: plays on offense that game, which is a lot. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of play ace and like we tired him out,
Speaker 1: you know, and then we were able to execute when
Speaker 1: we were tired, and and all those little things and
Speaker 1: and playing one play at a time, and those all
Speaker 1: led to like the most unprobab will come back, which
Speaker 1: is still crazy for watching if you watch it, like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sitting there like, damn, we had to do
Speaker 1: everything right. I missed halftime in the third quarter. You
Speaker 1: guys are getting blown out. I took a nap and
Speaker 1: woke back up, and then in the fourth quarter, no bullshit,
Speaker 1: I had people at the house and it's just too high. Um,
Speaker 1: but woke back up in the fourth court, like what
Speaker 1: the fund is going on here? You know, came back
Speaker 1: and went it crazy. Uh a c L injury, Um,
Speaker 1: you told us before. Interesting aside. I asked if you
Speaker 1: didn't mind share in this. You were trying to obviously
Speaker 1: come back from that injury. Uh take take it from there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ended up getting popped for uh unknown substance unknowned substance,
Speaker 1: you know, so you know went into that I had
Speaker 1: to get I got suspended for four games, which in
Speaker 1: you know, in the grand like looking back on it
Speaker 1: after an ah L at thirty two wasn't wasn't particularly
Speaker 1: bad to have four extra risks, you know, and have
Speaker 1: more under your belt. But uh, you know that that
Speaker 1: was a shitty situation. But in order to keep my routine,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm about to share this,
Speaker 1: but I got to go to the Celtics facility and
Speaker 1: and they took me in and let me rehab their
Speaker 1: use their facility, sitting you know, like keep my routine
Speaker 1: like a professional athlete. And that's when it was. They
Speaker 1: were in training camp. So like I was around there,
Speaker 1: fellas where for the Kyrie was there, Robert Williams, Tatum,
Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown, Tye, Uh, Marcus Smart. Marcus Smart cos he's
Speaker 1: been bawling, man, he works hard. Yeah, first guard to
Speaker 1: do it since Gary Payton. You were in the locker
Speaker 1: room too, right, I was in the locker room with
Speaker 1: so yeah, So what's the difference because like in the
Speaker 1: basketball locker room, we're all in they're talking ship. It's
Speaker 1: a kind of a tighter circle you obviously, and I
Speaker 1: asked you before, like your NFL locker rooms or defense, offense,
Speaker 1: special teams, kickers, what's the How did you like the
Speaker 1: basketball environment? It was awesome because they were all on
Speaker 1: like they're on like their own little schedule, you know,
Speaker 1: like each guy had their shoot time. You know. It
Speaker 1: was a little more laid back. It was less intense.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, but I think that's because they
Speaker 1: have more games and there's more you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like baseball slow grind, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like ours, Like in our training camp, we have ninety
Speaker 1: guys on there, and and you've got guys trying to
Speaker 1: make the team, and guys are like walking on glass
Speaker 1: because you got the turk walking around cutting jokers left
Speaker 1: and right. You know. So like it was just it
Speaker 1: was it was different, but like it's also a different sport,
Speaker 1: Like it's more individualized where you guys are sitting working
Speaker 1: on your you know, your your craft seven just boom.
Speaker 1: Everyone had their own coach and you know, like it
Speaker 1: was a lot more player driven, like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, we're like cattle over here. Get a bunch
Speaker 1: of mother you know what I mean, like, get the
Speaker 1: big guys over there, get the little guys over there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, like the I thought
Speaker 1: that having more coaches for more like like less guys,
Speaker 1: I thought that was probably an advantage, you know, as
Speaker 1: far as you got you know, a receiver room. And
Speaker 1: the beginning the year, we got sucking eight teen guys
Speaker 1: with one coach. So for the younger guys, you know,
Speaker 1: it's harder for them because they're really catering to like
Speaker 1: the guys that are gonna play, the guys are making
Speaker 1: the team. So like, those are little things I thought about,
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes from basketball to football, you know,
Speaker 1: because we don't have like a minor league, we don't
Speaker 1: have a G league. So like it's don't get in
Speaker 1: or you're out transitioning. We're almost finished here. Um. You've
Speaker 1: been a big advocate fighting anti semitism. Jack was in
Speaker 1: an incident about a year year and a half ago. Um,
Speaker 1: and then you guys have since talked hung out and
Speaker 1: actually talked about actually doing something in the space together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we definitely did. We gotta get something going. Let me
Speaker 1: tell me what tell me, tell the world what is
Speaker 1: about what's going on? I mean we're right here at showtime,
Speaker 1: so I mean there's no we gotta make something, you know.
Speaker 1: It's basically, you know, we had we were both here
Speaker 1: for Super Bowl and be him and Espinos, and we
Speaker 1: all went to dinner and after dinner, me and him
Speaker 1: and us one had a good night out shipping back
Speaker 1: on Grandpa's old cough medicine. Maybe yeah, the Devil's letter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had, we had. We had a good time. Man.
Speaker 1: We got a chance to actually talk about a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff, uh, dealing with all that, man, and we
Speaker 1: want to We came out, we start talking about when
Speaker 1: you do a show together, Yeah, you know, do something
Speaker 1: just like you know, everyone's first instinct when something happens
Speaker 1: to their people their community is to like put a
Speaker 1: guard up. Like instead of putting that guard up, let's
Speaker 1: put a hand out, and let's like understand that to
Speaker 1: understand what's going on, you know, just have a conversation
Speaker 1: because like half the time, like when we look at
Speaker 1: these things, and I don't want to generalize or come
Speaker 1: off is wrong, but like both the people are usually
Speaker 1: like the same, right, you know, and there's like a
Speaker 1: miscommunication just a different color. And I think that's something
Speaker 1: belief or you know what I mean, It's just something's different.
Speaker 1: But like when it comes to like personality trade similar
Speaker 1: fucking the same thing, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: like that's always been my thing. Like let's like try
Speaker 1: to educate each other on on our communities because the
Speaker 1: more we know is that's when you start to grow.
Speaker 1: That's it right there. Everything is just a conversation. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're green, you grow when you wripe your right,
Speaker 1: when you think you're done and you you know everything,
Speaker 1: that's when bad ship happens. When you when you're green
Speaker 1: and you want to grow on something, that's when like
Speaker 1: you learn right, and when you learn, you grow absolutely
Speaker 1: quick hitters coming down the final stretch. If you could
Speaker 1: pick one receiver that you've never got a chance to
Speaker 1: play with, uh whatever, Terry Rice, Terry Man. Could you
Speaker 1: imagine him drawing Jerry Rice drawing the coverage and I
Speaker 1: get to work inside. I'm just saying, when when I
Speaker 1: get a cowboy on here, everybody like questions, I love, Hey,
Speaker 1: I would play with Mike play thank you. I'm mager.
Speaker 1: That's my guy to excuse moment he comes out. You
Speaker 1: just don't know, yes that I had to hear U c.
Speaker 1: L A. Ship the whole day. Now I got to
Speaker 1: hear Party nine and Ship the whole day. Like to
Speaker 1: rub it in, what would you want to play with
Speaker 1: if you did that, you had never got a chance
Speaker 1: to play with like all time, all time Montana John,
Speaker 1: just get it, get it. I mean it would be
Speaker 1: pretty Uh. I think it's pretty fun to play with.
Speaker 1: Like Aaron Rodgers too, from the back from from the Bay.
Speaker 1: He's from Butte Chico, Yeah, up north. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: working out with him, yeah, saying he's so cool. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: he's super cool, dude. There's some guys that just have it,
Speaker 1: you know, like that that wrist or whatever. It's dude,
Speaker 1: It's like it's crazy to see how he delivers the
Speaker 1: football like so nonchalantly and it just goes thick at
Speaker 1: the wrist. What's the difference to him and Brady Ah
Speaker 1: that you see, Brady is the same guy always. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like as far as quarterbacks, same guy always. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: matter the situation. Yeah, he's gonna get the best out
Speaker 1: of his players. That's all I really know. You know,
Speaker 1: So what I mean, Like, I mean, Brady's He's won
Speaker 1: seven super Bowls. Yeah, that's the You gotta play your best,
Speaker 1: but you gotta play your best football in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And we've seen over the last few years with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: You know, he hasn't been playing his best football. You
Speaker 1: could say how it's know the team or this. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not reading minds. I'm reading mannerisms, and the mannerisms
Speaker 1: are telling me the last four years, these guys are
Speaker 1: number one seed or whatever. I don't have the actual statum.
Speaker 1: IM a crazy stack guy, but they've been up there
Speaker 1: where they should been representing the NFC and they haven't.
Speaker 1: But who he want? I want to see the Packers,
Speaker 1: you will, I want to see it. I thought they
Speaker 1: were gonna take it last year, pre season last year,
Speaker 1: I took the Packers to win it. But then it
Speaker 1: just went down this road again and then they're now
Speaker 1: we're losing. We're losing. Adams Brady shows way more emotion
Speaker 1: to me running into the Niners. You got to stay,
Speaker 1: that's not question. Brady shows way more emotion and passion
Speaker 1: during the game before the game and all that. You know,
Speaker 1: like you just said, and Rodgers real noncellant and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go through you know, his wh Yeah, that's his way.
Speaker 1: We're still great, still great. Top five then I guess
Speaker 1: dead alive. Top five five people you want to have
Speaker 1: a meal with. Man, this is like a tough one.
Speaker 1: I think Clint east Wood would be pretty cool to have,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Clint east Wood would be
Speaker 1: really cool. I knew that, Huh. I like Blues and
Speaker 1: Ship Muddy Waters. I want to hear stories. What was
Speaker 1: that Cadillac Records? Is that the movie? You saw? Cadillac Records? No?
Speaker 1: I just I have my Spotify. Have you seen cad
Speaker 1: Records Muddy Waters? I mean I would I would be
Speaker 1: pretty cool to like talk to Steve Jobs, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of get his perspective. I heard he was
Speaker 1: like kind of big asshole. I want to see I
Speaker 1: want to see it. I want to see it, you know,
Speaker 1: because you know a lot of a lot of like
Speaker 1: you know, big leaders are like that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean a little different. You have to be cover boys.
Speaker 1: So what am I? That's three four Marilyn Monroe. That
Speaker 1: the stories and the conspiracies that I've heard, and I
Speaker 1: would want to feel her energy to just like what
Speaker 1: she's like to be around. Like that's Kim Kardashian. That's
Speaker 1: modern day. That's modern day Marylyn Monroe, like if you
Speaker 1: think about it, like and also there's so I'm sorry
Speaker 1: I can't agree with that book ahead how she's like
Speaker 1: the big the biggest thing really in the middle world.
Speaker 1: That's a great comparison. I'm not mad at I never
Speaker 1: looked at that. We wouldn't make sense. Glam girls. They're
Speaker 1: glam girls. I'm not saying, but like wanting Monroe get
Speaker 1: on c sext type I mean by you know, Joe Dimagio,
Speaker 1: a bunch of like like you said, I want to know.
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to have the dinner. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I want to. I want to know the conspiracy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ships. Four that's four and then
Speaker 1: the last one. This motherfucker' said a sex tape. I
Speaker 1: think Denzel Washington is pretty cool man because I I
Speaker 1: hear his perspective on social media and like like interpersonal
Speaker 1: communication skills and how we're so like different now and
Speaker 1: like I think he I would learn a lot and
Speaker 1: like be inspired and just like like a pregame speech
Speaker 1: to life. He's the guy, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: When it comes down to it. Like you see a
Speaker 1: lot of his clips on social where he's like, like
Speaker 1: I'd rather enjoy a moment in so to take a
Speaker 1: picture and have that memory or something, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like that. That's a different I
Speaker 1: like the group a lot of different types. First thing
Speaker 1: you do when you wake up and the last thing
Speaker 1: you do before you go to bed brush your teeth.
Speaker 1: M fundamental. You gotta wake up, brush your teeth, throw
Speaker 1: a child, and get a coffee. You know, sit down,
Speaker 1: get the day going, Get the day going. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask this question because we talked about it. I think
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about who hits you the hardest
Speaker 1: in your career. I got uh, I got smoked by
Speaker 1: ray Lewis coming and we talked about it and we
Speaker 1: do a show together on inside the NFL streamoun Paramount
Speaker 1: plus Shame was plug and I've told him like three
Speaker 1: or four times. He hit me once where he like
Speaker 1: knocked me out, and I think he was kind of
Speaker 1: he was kind of feeling it too, and like I
Speaker 1: walked over to the sideline and it was someone I
Speaker 1: thought it was Felodi Nada and he's like, hey, buddy,
Speaker 1: your sidelines that way, and so I started walking another
Speaker 1: way and then he hit me so hard another time
Speaker 1: in uh in the playoffs in two thousand nine, I
Speaker 1: scored a touchdown and he like tackled me in the
Speaker 1: end zone and like kneed or elbowed my ass and
Speaker 1: I had like j low butt cheek full like ten
Speaker 1: times bigger than my left I had like a hematoma
Speaker 1: and they had to like go in there. I couldn't
Speaker 1: sit down for like a week. We got leiminated. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to play like. It was so bad.
Speaker 1: I couldn't fly home for like a week and a half.
Speaker 1: So thank you Ray than you know, keep me in
Speaker 1: Boston more time. Landry, he knocked me out of the
Speaker 1: game one time. Ryan. It was when he was on
Speaker 1: he was on the Denver Broncos for a little bit
Speaker 1: the end, and he knocked me out so hard once
Speaker 1: I had a star for two weeks in the top
Speaker 1: right corner of my eye. He hit me on a
Speaker 1: crosser came down and he was so polite after he
Speaker 1: hit me, He's like, you right, young fella. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: am I still on Earth? I asked questions, who would
Speaker 1: you like to see on our show. But before you
Speaker 1: answer you a question, you have to help us with
Speaker 1: your answer. Oh, that kind of knows a lot of
Speaker 1: people too, Yes, he knows a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of goats. We gotta get we gotta get Brady on here.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'll take Brady your boss or Randy. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try one or the other. I'm gonna try both both.
Speaker 1: Why not? Why hey Tom, get on on, Tom quick playing.
Speaker 1: We'll come to you. Tom will come to your house,
Speaker 1: Come to your house. We'll go on, man, anywhere you're at,
Speaker 1: anywhere you're at. We're there, Baker's Bay. Brandy'll pull up
Speaker 1: to he said, he'll pull up. Randy would definitely come. Yes,
Speaker 1: well man, we want to thank you man for your
Speaker 1: time today. We have a gift box for you. What
Speaker 1: is this just a little uh goody boss for you
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Speaker 1: sweats fire Jack has on. It's like shattering but with smoke. Basketball.
Speaker 1: So you're in way, you're in space. Yeah? Is that
Speaker 1: actual smoke? Yeah, that's pretty I picked that up. That's Jack.
Speaker 1: Where can they get that at? All the smoke that
Speaker 1: motherfucking store. But O the motherfucker some white guy. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's tight. Yes, that was that was. That was Jack's idea.
Speaker 1: I gotta get for this stiff. Yeah. That's walking on
Speaker 1: the beach with your daughter. Yeah, Yetta, get her little one. Yes,
Speaker 1: a little little little smoke man. That's a rat with
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