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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime. H

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Speaker 1: m hm, welcome back to another edition of All the Smoke,

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Speaker 1: Day two in l A. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: guys recognized with me and Jack got on, Me and

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Speaker 1: Jack got onesome. Me and Jack got on some new

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Speaker 1: merch Jack, where can they get this ship at all

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Speaker 1: the smoke down store? Oh? Yeah? Where about that the

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Speaker 1: viol that had? Where do they get that at all

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Speaker 1: of that store? I know they probably can't get these,

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Speaker 1: but where they get them? Jay's that I can't get them?

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Speaker 1: Stock Mark, They probably can't. They won't be free anyway. Man.

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Speaker 1: We had a special guest today, three times Super Bowl champ,

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Speaker 1: just all around good dude, Julian Edelman. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: The world needs to know that me and you had

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Speaker 1: a long night out together. We'll get there, get there,

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Speaker 1: We'll get there. Bowl. You recently played an April Fool's

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Speaker 1: joke and said you were coming back to play with

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Speaker 1: Tom again. Uh, obviously a joke, but any doubt in

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Speaker 1: your mind that you still want to play football? No,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was a joke. April Fool's joke target market,

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Speaker 1: you know. But you know they say they say, they

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Speaker 1: say jokes, hold hold a little bit of truth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you definitely have competitive juices that are always

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Speaker 1: flowing in your in your body as an athlete, especially

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Speaker 1: if you think you could still do it. Last year

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Speaker 1: it was tough because it was still very familiar in

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Speaker 1: my mind, like the agony of being an older player

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Speaker 1: in the league having to do so much more to

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Speaker 1: take carry your body. Now it's you know, I've had

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Speaker 1: that year to like get over that, and you know,

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Speaker 1: now I'm in the mindset where like, all right, my

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Speaker 1: body feels kind of good. You know. Hey, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: not hurting like it did in certain ways. I know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not putting the same amount of loadage on it.

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Speaker 1: I'm thirty five, thirty six. It's still olds. It's not

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Speaker 1: to us. I mean football years, football years is I

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Speaker 1: mean what they take. You can't you can't. You can't

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Speaker 1: even you can't put Brady in the conversation. It's like

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Speaker 1: an oxymoron how old he's. It's different, especially to you're

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Speaker 1: you're out there running routes and and and and catching

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Speaker 1: still hard blocking, that's very tough. I think it's more

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Speaker 1: of the constant grind of like practice, you know, cutting

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Speaker 1: and really working on your craft and redlining your body

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Speaker 1: so much to get the best for Sunday and for

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Speaker 1: the season and for like longevity and staying healthy. You

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Speaker 1: have the redline so much that it breaks you down.

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Speaker 1: So you know that that's what I was dealing with.

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Speaker 1: So how has retirement between you? It's been good? Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I transitioned to inside the NFL, which streams

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Speaker 1: on Paramount Plus. Of course you guys, you guys know

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Speaker 1: that Paramount Plus. Uh. In the family. In the family

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Speaker 1: which has been good. Uh, great group of guys, Ray Lewis,

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Speaker 1: and keep your mind in the game. That was a

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Speaker 1: Marsh she was doing it while he was playing, like

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Speaker 1: know there was an intimidation factor. But then it got

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Speaker 1: me back to like that rookie year mode when you're

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Speaker 1: What are some of the other business things you're in

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Speaker 1: because you've got your hands all over and I just

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Speaker 1: versatile we are in the business space. We're not stuck

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Speaker 1: what's some stuff we got. I have a production company,

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Speaker 1: Coast Productions, were in development with two shows, a scripted

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Speaker 1: on sure because of some basketball stuff. You gotta get

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Speaker 1: your take, you guys, you know, you guys know how

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Speaker 1: to get the ratings, you know kids, and I've been

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Speaker 1: no that I got that. You know, we got a

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Speaker 1: merch company that we still do. We're very heavily um

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Speaker 1: involved with, uh you know, the Boston market still we

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Speaker 1: still I still love and support everything Boston does. And

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Speaker 1: then uh, you know, put me in as a charity.

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Speaker 1: Charity organization that I'm working with that I partnered with,

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Speaker 1: I love to hear that you touched on something, uh

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Speaker 1: that I want your perspective from, because I'm sure it's unique.

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Speaker 1: Uh the sports fan in Boston, Yeah, and just the

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Speaker 1: to Celtics games and obviously you're running with the Pats

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Speaker 1: I've never I'm I'm a pro athlete, and I gotta

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Speaker 1: what it's like. Yeah, Boston is you know, it's there's

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Speaker 1: no like regular seasons like summer, fall, winter. It's Bruins, Celtics, Pats,

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Speaker 1: and you know that's how they had to go by

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Speaker 1: the seasons. That's how they go by seasons, you know.

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Speaker 1: And Red Sox can't forget the Red Sox, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, uh, you know. I grew up

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Speaker 1: Mayo Walsh, no, no, no Mayor here. Red was city bringing,

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Speaker 1: You know, I was always the the tough white kid

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Speaker 1: You said other sports it wasn't nice and hoop. Now

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Speaker 1: I wasn't nice. I was athletic. I was a football

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Speaker 1: remember watching you know, the Niners are the Packers in

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Speaker 1: and then like in my career, throughout my career, when

424
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Speaker 1: I like the question you say, when did you feel

425
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: like you were there or something like that, I remember

426
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: any time I felt like that, I ended up getting

427
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: hurt or something. When I remember, like in two thousand

428
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: and fifteen, we just want our first super Bowl. In fourteen,

429
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: I was going into that year like I was balling out,

430
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: having career year, and I remember just sitting back like, man,

431
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: this is pretty easy, not like easy, but like like

432
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: sh it's good, you know. And we were like ten

433
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: and oh end up going breaking a foot, you know.

434
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: Then something happened. So then after that, like I became

435
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,239
Speaker 1: like all right, I can't think like that ever, you know.

436
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: And and that's how I had to think. And that's

437
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: how I had to have my mentality in my mindset

438
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: in order for me to prepare my best. You know,

439
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't always the I was an asshole, you know,

440
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: but I had to do that. I had to psych

441
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: myself in a certain mindset. You guys have all played

442
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: with someone like that, you know, and I'm like that,

443
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I had to do that

444
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: to keep my play up right, I'm not mad at that.

445
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: I feel it. You started your career early on as

446
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: a quarterback. How would you explain your quarterback and style

447
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback where you terrible? I just do that,

448
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: can run and kind of throw. No, you know, I was.

449
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: I was a decent college quarterback, dual threat guy. Um,

450
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: you know I I look back on my my throwing

451
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: days and my quarterback days after playing in the league

452
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: and learning a little stupid things here and there, and

453
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: what you if you eliminated certain things, how much better

454
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: you naturally could be? And I I just I was like, yeah,

455
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: I was such a dumb quarterback, Like all security was

456
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: terrible throwing picks. I'd have like four or five plays

457
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, what's going Oh that's a

458
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: bad motherfucker. But then you have like ten plays where

459
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm throwing the ball, interceptions, ball security putting the ball

460
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: down like I was running around that thing toning like

461
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 1: a loaf of bread. So you know it. I had

462
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: some good plays, but I wish I would have took

463
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: care of the football more more gratifying, like a dope

464
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: pass run or just a picture perfect pass for both

465
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: for touchdowns. For me, it was a past because everyone

466
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: expected it. As you know, I was that guy where

467
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: I could take off and run on guys. Uh. But

468
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: if if I got like a good pass, that was

469
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: always that was my thing. That was him for you.

470
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: I got you. You always want what you know what

471
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: you always want to do the thing that you was

472
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: you weakness, and that was a weak thrower. So I

473
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: couldn't be in the NFL quarterback, but the British Columbia

474
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: Lions did ask me to come and play quarterback from

475
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: the the CFL. The CFL after retired after my my

476
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: last year of college. Okay, so I was like debating

477
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: that because I didn't I never played receiver. I was like,

478
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, how did that transition happened? I

479
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: was just talking to my pops, and you know, he's

480
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: like it was like a super incentive based contract where

481
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: it's like a hundred grand you get like another hunter

482
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: grand if you start you lead top five and PASSI

483
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: like fifty grands. I'm over, You're doing a math and

484
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's like two hundred grand. It's two

485
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: thousand nine. I'm you know, coming out of college, like

486
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good money. Six figures, and then

487
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: you know, I thought to myself, like I didn't grow

488
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: up dreaming. I wanted to plan to see if I

489
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: at league. So that was it sounds simple enough. That

490
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: was it. Seventh round draft pick. Thoughts going into the draft. Uh,

491
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get drafted period, period. I was

492
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: like a late round guy athletes. So when you were

493
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: then in the combines, what did you I didn't go

494
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: to the COMBA. Okay, yeah, so I had to add

495
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: a Pro day as a receiver or as just whatever

496
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: the funk they needed so I can kick too. No, yeah,

497
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: I did receiver drills. The Steelers made me do like

498
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: dB drills, like safety drills. They made me catch punts, kicks.

499
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: It made me do a lot of things. You know.

500
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: It was crazy that the Patriots worked me out like

501
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: three times because the draft process, you go, you do

502
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: your combine, then you have the pro days, then they

503
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: have private workouts, then they have visits, and then the draft.

504
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: So like I started getting I ran some good times,

505
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: so I started getting a lot of calls for like

506
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: these workouts, you know, and then like the Patriots calling

507
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: and they sent out their running backs coach and Ivan

508
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: Fearce funny ask guy, and uh, he made he put

509
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: me through some drills running back stuff, and so like

510
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: then I go out and work out for like Chicago.

511
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: I work out for the Miami Dolphins. Then the Patriots

512
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: sent over the receiver's coach and usually teams don't work

513
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: out two times, and so I do a bunch of

514
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: receiver drills they and then they leave and I go

515
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: work out for another team, and the Patriots send their

516
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: special teams coordinator Scotty O'Brien, and so he makes me

517
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: catch punts, does all these drills. I'm dropping balls left

518
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: and right because like catching a punt, there's an art

519
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: to it, you know, like and I didn't know the technique.

520
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, if the ball turns over with the right

521
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: footed punter, if you know how they turn over, then

522
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna go to your left. So you played on

523
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: your right titty. You know, if if it doesn't turn

524
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: over and it stays up, it's gonna die and go

525
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: right victory of the other one, you know, and then

526
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: vice versa for left kickers. And I had no clue.

527
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: I was just over here trying to judge punts. And

528
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: if you know that, it's different, So I dropped a

529
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: bunch of punts. I'm sitting there like I'm not getting

530
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: drafted by the Patriots. I thought I was gonna be

531
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: a dolphin and these these jokers can't pick me up.

532
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: So it's crazy. What was your first introduction to that team?

533
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean you play. You said you had a cup

534
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: of coffee as a dB. When did you because Welker

535
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: was well before you? Was he still there? He was there?

536
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: I played for four years, Okay, so when when when

537
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: did you kind of find your spot? I had I

538
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: had to make myself versatile. Uh my first year, I

539
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: had like thirty six balls forty three balls with playoffs,

540
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 1: and Welker got hurt and I had some production and

541
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: so like I was thinking the next year, I'm gonna

542
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ball out. Well it's coming back from the

543
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: A c L. And that didn't happen. Welker played, Randy played,

544
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: we traded for Dion Branch and I was kind of

545
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: like trying to find my way. So I was doing

546
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: special teams, returning punts, uh, covering kicks and doing that,

547
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: making plays in the kicking game to earn myself opportunities

548
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: down the team because they kind of moved on uh

549
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: and you know that next year I had like seven balls,

550
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: and next year I had like seven balls, and then

551
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: like my fourth year, you know, I competed well in

552
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: camp and I got a lot of time. At the

553
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, broke a foot, broke a hand,

554
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: so it didn't really get going. And it wasn't until

555
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: like the next contract. I signed a one year deal.

556
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: After that, Welker ended up leaving, going to Denver. I

557
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: signed a one year deal. They wanted a two year

558
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: I wanted a one year UH League minimum. And in

559
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: thirteen and had a hundred and five catches for you know,

560
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: a thousand yards when Welker departed, uh so, and then

561
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: I got paid and signed like a four year deal

562
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: with him again. So that's when you know, I kind

563
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: of got my break and my opportunity on the offensive

564
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: side of the ball. But for the first like three

565
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: or four years, I had to grind and I was

566
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: like playing DV was playing fucking special teams, and you know,

567
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: I loved it. You know, I was a teamer. And

568
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: then that's like a different player, Like those guys are

569
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: usually you know, they have to back guys up, you know,

570
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: for roster spots. But they have to be a badass

571
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: motherfucker on the special teams in order to make yourself

572
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: valuable enough to be on a team, because there's only

573
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: fifty three spots, you know what I mean. So you

574
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: know that that was my career. I had to grind

575
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: and grind and battle through injury, you know. And then

576
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: once you know, I got some more opportunity and earned

577
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: more opportunity, that's when you know things went well, too

578
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: good with Randy moss Man. I was about to motherfuckering

579
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: asked that question and he was good. How good was he?

580
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: And what was he like? Because he just sounds kind.

581
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: I never got a chance to me and he just

582
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: sounds so Country's still country. He's still the best thing

583
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: about like Randy, Like in practice, you'd see these crazy catches,

584
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: you know, he was just like it was so easy

585
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: to him and one on ones like and he had

586
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: really good judgment skills. When the ball was in the air,

587
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: he would run and at the last second he would

588
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: just go boop and go because the dbs are waiting

589
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: for you to put your hands out to hit your

590
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: hands and Randy would just he would It looked like

591
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't even going and he would just rainbowed in

592
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: and just keep it and keep moving, or he would

593
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: just moss dudes. But like you know, he had the

594
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: one handers all at the time on the sideline. He

595
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: was always really good at that. But it was always

596
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: the best when Randy. Randy would fucking come in on Saturdays,

597
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: which is like walk through day, mental day, day before game.

598
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: Get you you start a little later, everything's kind of

599
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: like we're just mentally turning up, got to travel or whatever. Meetings.

600
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: Randy would roll in and every week give us like

601
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: a breakdown of what happened on sixty minutes the night before.

602
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: He would it would be so funny the way he

603
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: would say ship because his country as fun He'd like

604
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: this bitch over here thought he could kill his Like

605
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: we would sit in our whole receiver meeting and Randy

606
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: would he would tell us like we're supposed to be

607
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: watching ship, but when you're vet, you know, he runs

608
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: the meeting, and he would sit there and he would

609
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: tell us about it and he'd be it was just

610
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: so funny, and we'd all be dying our receiver coach.

611
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: He was a rookie at the times. Chat o'sha he's

612
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: with the Browns Now He's sitting there like, yeah, Randy,

613
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: can we get our meeting started? But he was like

614
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: in pre pre practice lines, Randy was always funny, like

615
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: he would just we would line up in lines offense, defense.

616
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: Randy would be over on the defensive side making fun

617
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: of Willfork the whole time. Will works over here making

618
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: fun of him. Bill roll around swagging his damn fucking

619
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: whistle talking to Ship to Randy, Randy talking Ship the

620
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: Bill Like he was fun to be around, you know

621
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's that was Randy, and he was

622
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: a bad dude. So you said your first obviously a

623
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: few years you were on the grind. When did you

624
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: feel like you started really developing a relationship with Tom.

625
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: I started developing a relationship probably the second and third year.

626
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: My second and third year, because I found out he

627
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: um trained out here in l A. And we were

628
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: represented by the same agents and doing sports, and I

629
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, let me know when he's out there,

630
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: so I'll fucking pack up. I'll move to l A

631
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: and train out there, and so he needs me called

632
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: me the first year, like one time packed up the

633
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: middle of anything, fucking left, everything went out and threw

634
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: with them called me more. The second year, they started

635
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: calling me, you know, regularly, and we started working out.

636
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: And that's how we learned each other. You know, because

637
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: I I as a receiver, you're so dependent on a

638
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: on a position with the quarterback. So let's be honest,

639
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: you can't you can't burn the hand that feeds you.

640
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: Whatever he says goes because he's the one who's gonna

641
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: get you the rock. And the more I know what

642
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: he wants me to do while we're doing routes on air,

643
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: and the way he's learning my body language, he's learning

644
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: how I get breaking and out of cut more. You know,

645
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: that's when you start learning, guys. And then I already know.

646
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: You know, in the middle of a play, you would

647
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: say middlefield closed and we run. I had to change

648
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: my route in the middle of the you know the play.

649
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: You know, then I'm I'm it's training you. You know,

650
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: your your your mind and then you're you're figuring each

651
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 1: other out, and you know, that's when you know we

652
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: we developed a chemistry. Was always in the off season.

653
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't until I got my opportunity because he had that,

654
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: he had that chemistry. Welker welcome was sucking due. Welk

655
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: was really good and I learned a lot from him

656
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: because similar though you got similar sizes, he was a

657
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: little smaller actually, he was like he was like five eight,

658
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: about eighty three, but he had he had these releases

659
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: in his fast twitch was so insane where he like

660
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: he could do like three or four little steps in

661
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: front of like a dB that's pressed on him because

662
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: he had such choppy feet, and the guy would commit

663
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: in churn and his hip and he could just go

664
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: and get by. So his routes were really good and

665
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: I got to learn a lot of stuff watching him,

666
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: you know. So you know, but that that chemistry that

667
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: he had with Brady, I had to develop that in

668
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: the off season and that's when, you know, once I

669
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: got a lot more opportunity. That's why I clicked and

670
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: we were able to keep it going. Yeah, he should

671
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 1: step right in, he said the first year Hud catches. Yeah, yeah,

672
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: I would say, what's he like as a person. He's

673
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: I think obviously starting to come out and talk a

674
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: little a lot more. But the day to daytime we

675
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: only get to see the game time. He's one of

676
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: the boys, you know, he's He's a really cool dude.

677
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: He's fun to be around. He got like dad jokes,

678
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, like he because he's like forty three, you know,

679
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: so he'll be like throw a little joke out or something.

680
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: You're like, all right, that was like funny and two

681
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: thou three bro. You know, so like there's banter always,

682
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: it's just soccer talks. He talks hell is ship. Yeah,

683
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: Brady talks ship. Brady loves to compete in anything. We

684
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: go play knockout because Brady, you know, golf, Brady's competing

685
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: ping pong. You know, He's gonna do everything he can

686
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: to win. He's not letting up. If he's playing his

687
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: kid swatting him. You know, there's gonna be a time

688
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: where little Jack's gonna be able to beat him. It's

689
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: it's not Brady's, Brady's breaking his heart, you know. But

690
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: you know he's that's what he is. He's a competitive dude.

691
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: And it was always funny because you would see these

692
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: young ass kids that get in the locker room. And

693
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: I was a young kid when I got in the league.

694
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: He was like thirty three, thirty four, and then he

695
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: played like another twelve. He's still playing in fourteen years.

696
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: So like there's like guys that were like not even

697
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: born playing with the guy that they saw their whole

698
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: life as just a crazy freaking god. I mean, he's

699
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: a Michael Jordan of the sport, you know what I mean.

700
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: You see a kid who's twenty two, twenty three. He's

701
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: been doing that for like the last six years, dealing

702
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: with these kids. Like so he goes in the locker

703
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: room and he doesn't get to feel a lot of

704
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: the you know with the older teams that you know,

705
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: the we're boys type ship, you know, because guys are

706
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: like this dude's famous, you know where like everyone he's

707
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: had an order about him. When you walk around him

708
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: with the young guys, like they're like scared to talk

709
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: to him, you know what I mean, But he'll try

710
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: to joke, you know. So it's it's changed, and you've

711
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: seeing how it's changed, and he has his you know,

712
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: he'll link up with his guys or something, you know

713
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: what I mean. But now he's he's always very inviting

714
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: to everyone. He's he's like awkwardly nice, but he's definitely

715
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: an assassin when it comes to competing, like in anything.

716
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: That was always the funnest when when like the best

717
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: was always when he fucking ran for a first down.

718
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: Like he would get up so fired up. It would

719
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: be a it would be a six second three yard game,

720
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: but it would be like a third and three or something.

721
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: He would get so fired up and he would getting

722
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: guys faces. That's that's when that that was fun when like,

723
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: or you play the Steelers and there was some ship

724
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: talking going on, he'll single out someone after you throw

725
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: a touchdown and go up to full What do you

726
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: say about that? Like his touchdown wasn't pretty though? No, absolutely,

727
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: He's like a Clydesdale, you know, like Cadillac. The thing's

728
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: gotta eat go. But it's crazy he's but that's he's

729
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: a fun guy. Man. What was one person always wanted

730
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: to know not to cut you off? What's Gronk like?

731
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: He just looks like animal. He's a big kid, and

732
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: people forgot it was crazy not to catch you off.

733
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: I saw something maybe like three weeks ago on early

734
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: Gronk and how but he was a cold People forget

735
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: how good he was when he first got a athletic

736
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: and strong and running over people, and dude, Gronk was insane.

737
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: He looked. I've said it so many times. He looked

738
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: like an eighth grader playing against second graders in the league.

739
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: Like there was a five, like a four year span

740
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: where you couldn't tackle him. And that's why guys started

741
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: going low at him, you know, and then he blew

742
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: out his knee when they went there. He can't get

743
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: him down. Guys will be hitting this guy and he

744
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: bouncing off, and he was so athletic and fast and

745
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: can make catches like he I think he's the best

746
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: tight end that I've seen, not just you know, in

747
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: this era, but I and Gever, like what the what

748
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: makes him so much different than other guys is he

749
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: was a monster in the run game. Great blocker, great blocker, great.

750
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: I mean he he like ended vander Bosh's career, like

751
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: he hit this guy like and that's not good. You

752
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: don't ever want that. But like he was like a

753
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: little last kid like he was, and this was Vanderbosh.

754
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: She was like one of the baddest dudes. I remember

755
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: that in Detroit and that's when I was like, man,

756
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: this guy's fucking beast. And then you saw him in

757
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: like Washington where he's like dragging people like his early

758
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: clips are insane. I mean he's still I mean, he's

759
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: uncoverable still because he just he's got naturally great hands.

760
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: He can judge football and he's never really covered because

761
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: he's still big, but he's not his you know, like

762
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: those earlier gronks. When you get older than football, you're

763
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: smarten up, you know what I mean. There there's like

764
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: these little things that you would do when you're a

765
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: young player. Probably in basketball too, you're like, instead of

766
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: like yamning on someone, you all right, we're good on

767
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: my knees, you know what I mean. There's these little

768
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: calculated things that when you're young you just go, and

769
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: then when you get older you're like, man, that's that's

770
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: a four week injury. That's a four week sprain ankle

771
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: or knee. If I make this. You know you're not

772
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: thinking that, but you're you're definitely a possibility. You have

773
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: the rare, rare opportunity of playing for the same coach

774
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: your whole career, whole career legendary to go to Bill Belichick.

775
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: Was there any bad moments in that time? I wouldn't

776
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: say there was bad moments. There was learning moments. I

777
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: mean I learned on how to be great just through

778
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: example of Bill Belichick, you know, and also Tom Brady's

779
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: a lot of the players, but Bill, you know, with

780
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: with his formula on what he thinks is best for

781
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: his football team and how disciplined he stays to that

782
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: formula like year in and year out, and it's it's amazing.

783
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: I've never seen like, I haven't seen complacency kick in

784
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: with him on on a lot of factors, you know.

785
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: And you know, it's been it's been a crazy, crazy,

786
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: crazy like moments. Even think about you got to play

787
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: with probably one of the best coaches of all time

788
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: in all sports, you know what I mean, This, dude,

789
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: it's nuts. I'm interesting. I'm super interested to see how

790
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna do going forward in the new league, because

791
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: this league has changed. It's it's it's it's completely different.

792
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: It's more like basketball. The spacing, you know, and and

793
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: the playmakers on the outside is just changing the game,

794
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Freedom and wrapped and all

795
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: that ship. So it's gonna be it's I'm interested to

796
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: see how uh you know, he evolves. You do you

797
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: do a good impersonation? I heard, and he gives us

798
00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: something a little Belichick. He's like, just demoralize you through

799
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: like the simplest way of saying things. It was with

800
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: his tones and like his actions. He had Bill too.

801
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: It was like low lights after practice he would throw

802
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: on the next day in the morning, or something a

803
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: bunch of shitty fundamental plays or something that we would

804
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: do in practice and like if you dropped a ball

805
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: on the flat or something. He would sit there and

806
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: he would rewind it. And this is in front of

807
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: the whole team old team, fucking you know, sixty guys

808
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: regular season with practice squad and all hunter guys because

809
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: you got coaches and all the people upper division. There

810
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: he was sitting. He would rewind it like three or

811
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: four times, right where the you the drop is, right

812
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: where the drop is, right where the drop is, and

813
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: then he would fucking he would look at like the

814
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: crowd of the team because it's like a pavilion and

815
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: be like, you mean to tell me you can't make

816
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: a wide route catch in the National fucking Football League.

817
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: We got kids in Foxborough High School that can make

818
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: this play. And then he would rewind it like four

819
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: more times and he would chime in again. He goes

820
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: like me and fucking Ernie can make this play and

821
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: then he rewind it, and then you go back and

822
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: you assholes can't make that Like that's and it wouldn't

823
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: It would be very subtle, but you you would be

824
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: just sitting there like if it was on your Fuck Jesus,

825
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: can we stop it? Just the embarrassment, like I've just

826
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: seen three thousand fucking guys make this catch in this league,

827
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: three thousands, Like it's just that's how he is. How's

828
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: the fun Bill? I mean you said he was running

829
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: around talking to Randy and lines like the ship talking

830
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: fun side because we only get the short answer, Bill,

831
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: Bill's fun man, He's he's a competitor. The better you were,

832
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: the more you could get away with them, you know,

833
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: especially with the defensive guys's defensive coach, So d guys

834
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: are always talking ship in a happy mood because they

835
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: will be backing them up and call it in practice.

836
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: But like we would be talking ship, you know, and

837
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: you'd be like fuck you in the middle of like

838
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: stretching and stuff, because you kind of know we have

839
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: like a third down period. It's Thursday, it's third down,

840
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: and we've been emphasizing our third and short boat team

841
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: as a team are like ones versus their ones, like

842
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: that whole you know, they used to call a competition period.

843
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: You're not going against the scout teams and so like

844
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: we'd always just talked shipped to each other, and you know,

845
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: he his the way he makes fun of guys is

846
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: like it's extremely funny, you know, I like, and demoralizing

847
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: because he can bring in like facts and players like

848
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: you think you're fucking LT. I played with the best,

849
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: I coached the best. Fun Like he loved LT. You

850
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. There's certain guys you think, like

851
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: he just seen so much football where he could just

852
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: demoralize you with like something he says along those lines.

853
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: I love it losing to the Giants, unbelievable season, getting

854
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. I wasn't playing that much then.

855
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: That was like my third year in the league when

856
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: we had both the tight ends and we kind of

857
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: that's when the change of like re revolutionized offense when

858
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: we brought in Gronk and Hernandez. Gronk was beat up,

859
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: ended up losing that game. That was that was terrible.

860
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: That was that was you know, going in the off

861
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: season the next year after a loss and then you

862
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: know when you get the Super Bowls as a team,

863
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: you lose a lot of guys after the Super Bowl

864
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: because contracts, everyone gets paid, you know, you win it

865
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: or you get to the ball, everyone's getting paid, aid

866
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: and leaving, you know. So then we were in another

867
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: rebuilding stage going into thirteen, which it was like a

868
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: lot of turnover, and then fourteen came and then you know,

869
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: we went and wanted it, and then you know, we

870
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: kept it going for for a while, like I went

871
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: to eighth straight. Like AFC Championship games. We talked at

872
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: so you get your first ring h nine catches one

873
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: on nine. Uh. I had another show before I did this,

874
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: and I got the rare opportunity to sit down and

875
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: talk to Marshawn Lynch on that you know, money two

876
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: yards from the goal line to win the Super Bowl

877
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: and they decided to throw it, you guys. So he

878
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: told me how he felt and how all the dudes

879
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: and the huddle were stunned. Even Russell Wilson kind of

880
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: hesitated for a second. What did you guys think watching that?

881
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: Like you, everyone in the world knew it was going

882
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: to him, and when it didn't, what was your immediate

883
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: thought before even before the interception. Put in context, we

884
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: got smoked that fucking play all week in practice, all

885
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: week in practice because like Super Bowl practice week, everyone's

886
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: like tense, everyone's flying. You know, you want to feel good,

887
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: play good, and so like when the defense is out,

888
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: usually we'll be doing things, we do, our work, our sidework,

889
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: and then we get in and we want to see.

890
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: I want to see if the defenses have been studying,

891
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I want to see where

892
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: they're at, if they're feeling confidable. And Josh Boyce was

893
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: running this little rub route like twenty times, smoking us

894
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: on it, smoking us on it, and right when they

895
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: went to that formation we had to like to play.

896
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like we're gonna fucking throw this thing,

897
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, and then it happened. I didn't know it

898
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: was picked, like we couldn't see on the sideline and

899
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: then he picked it. I'm like, oh my god, we

900
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: just want to sucking super Bowl. What the they fucking

901
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: through it. I'm sitting there like money is gonna go in.

902
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm going through, like my how much time we might

903
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: pretend actually have. We might have thirty seconds, you know,

904
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: twenty six seconds? What are players we have time outs,

905
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: you're going situation football. You're thinking about it, and then

906
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: it happened. You're like, oh my god, thank god they

907
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: threw in that moment, you ain't stopping playing the game.

908
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: Dante Hie Tower the play before he fucking got him down,

909
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: and you gotta watch the replay like he got him

910
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: down when he was down with like an arm and

911
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: he got Marshawn lynched. I went that arm. That was

912
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: a huge play. And then you know, obviously Malcolm made

913
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: that and then he made the play. I mean, it

914
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: was in it was in their head. I remember that

915
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: you gotta beat up, you gotta jam the first guy,

916
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: and you gotta break and that that was the coaching

917
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: point that they were trying to get all week, all week.

918
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: At one time it mattered the most, and then boom

919
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: so got it. That was nuts Gate. NFL spends twenty

920
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: two minutes to investigate, y'all. It's the spends Brady for

921
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: four games. But you just looking because like I said,

922
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm a huge football's first for me, I was a

923
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: football player playing basketball. So I love hearing the inside

924
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: side of this ship because I'm a football player. At

925
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: hard you think it was bullshit. Yeah, uh uh, I

926
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: mean there's some bull Like if you look into the

927
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: facts of this whole thing, like both teams balls were deflated.

928
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: Well you know what I mean, like there's a there's

929
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: a whole I think it was, there's a there's a

930
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: witch hunt hunt. I mean that was ridiculous, not to

931
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: the point where they went like you know what I

932
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: mean with with all the facts and on both sides

933
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: this that as much as everyone wants a bitch and

934
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: a plane and and that pissed me off, honestly, was it?

935
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: Uh Baltimore something said something? Then then Indie and then

936
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: Indy you know the next year we played them. I

937
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: was so pumped up. I was so I was too

938
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: fired up. It actually made me not play as good.

939
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean I balled out. I had some some plays,

940
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: but like it took me out of my game because

941
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: I was so fucking at it and it was like

942
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: trying to rain up my guys paray. This was four,

943
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: So this was a big super Bowl. This was like

944
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: he just tied Joe, He just tied Terry Bradshaw, you know,

945
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks that had four you know, and then

946
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: like this and then he goes out and the whole

947
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: next year it's gone, We're good. And then we in

948
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: sixteen he fucking suspend um and then we go out

949
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: when the Super Bowl, like I don't know it was,

950
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: it was it was crazy, man, I don't know. What

951
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: they were doing was have a preference uh no, more

952
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: of the tack attack of the ball and like because

953
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: like they put those balls through like a huge Each

954
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: one of those balls is like probably hour of men

955
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: work like a game ball with how they rub them.

956
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: They put like the leather conditioners on them. They'll get

957
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: like a a bin of grass and they'll rub them

958
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: in the grass. They put them in the dryer. They

959
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: want they want to get that that like you want

960
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: to beat up kind of broken inversion. And that's what

961
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: like a lot of those like that's what most of

962
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks do. They're all like very close to their

963
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: their guy. So you know, I don't really care. But

964
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: the tack and like the humidity outside or or you

965
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: know that that's all huge, especially with what glove you're wearing. Everything.

966
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,959
Speaker 1: I always liked a little humid with like a little

967
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: tack on the ball. That was always that was stickies money,

968
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: We need the stickies out. Actually want the money in

969
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: their game. Yeah, y'all down in the locker room. Actually

970
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: one of my friends house and everybody I'm to my

971
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: is in Atlanta. Everybody going for the Falcons have time down,

972
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: which I was thinking in the locker room, I'm talking

973
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: a ship. Still, this is Tom Brady. I'm still talking cash.

974
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: In the back of my mind, I'm like, damn, I

975
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: have lost my money, you know what I'm saying. But

976
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking ship. I'm still ride with you, which I

977
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: think in the locker room, I was like, fucking it.

978
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: I was embarrassed, you know. I was like, man, we

979
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: can't go out like this. This is ridiculous. That was

980
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: like my initial to myself kind of moment, and then

981
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, you get into like, all right, this is

982
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. No one ever gets blown on a Super

983
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: Bowl Denver Broncos back when the Niners did, remember or

984
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: the Chargers of the Charger score the Chargers, you know,

985
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: so they're all you know, as long as we kind

986
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: of just play one play at a time, you never know,

987
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: like let's just kind of focus up. The things that

988
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: we did in the first half were like the three

989
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: things that we said we couldn't do. We couldn't turn

990
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: the fucking ball over. You gotta score points in the

991
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: red area. We threw a pick six in the red area,

992
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: and then you know, you have to score touchdowns in

993
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: the red area. We got you know, we got stopped

994
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 1: twice when we crossed their forty. So like little things

995
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: like we were driving the ball. It wasn't like we

996
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,479
Speaker 1: weren't doing things. We were getting things done. It wasn't

997
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: as clean as we wanted it, but that's how super

998
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: bulls are. This was our second one at the time,

999
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: you know, as this team was going on, so he

1000
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: kind of felt that, and you know, then one thing

1001
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: led to another. We were just making plays and just

1002
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: trying to stick into the game plan, you know, and

1003
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: and tighten up the stupid mistakes. And once we did that,

1004
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, that's when you know we started playing well.

1005
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that had to do

1006
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: is they were running us all week that week, Like

1007
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: even after the Super Bowl, we were still doing condition

1008
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: and Bill will be trolling as fucking his whistle and

1009
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: he just yells, put it in the bank. While he's

1010
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: while we're running up we have uphill runs. He's like,

1011
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: just put it in the fucking bank. You gotta deposit

1012
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: the hard work, like you say, ship like that when

1013
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: we're running and we played like a hundred and five

1014
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: plays on offense that game, which is a lot. That's

1015
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: a lot of play ace and like we tired him out,

1016
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: you know, and then we were able to execute when

1017
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: we were tired, and and all those little things and

1018
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 1: and playing one play at a time, and those all

1019
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: led to like the most unprobab will come back, which

1020
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: is still crazy for watching if you watch it, like

1021
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sitting there like, damn, we had to do

1022
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: everything right. I missed halftime in the third quarter. You

1023
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: guys are getting blown out. I took a nap and

1024
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: woke back up, and then in the fourth quarter, no bullshit,

1025
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: I had people at the house and it's just too high. Um,

1026
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: but woke back up in the fourth court, like what

1027
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: the fund is going on here? You know, came back

1028
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: and went it crazy. Uh a c L injury, Um,

1029
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: you told us before. Interesting aside. I asked if you

1030
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: didn't mind share in this. You were trying to obviously

1031
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: come back from that injury. Uh take take it from there. Yeah,

1032
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: I ended up getting popped for uh unknown substance unknowned substance,

1033
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, so you know went into that I had

1034
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: to get I got suspended for four games, which in

1035
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: you know, in the grand like looking back on it

1036
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: after an ah L at thirty two wasn't wasn't particularly

1037
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: bad to have four extra risks, you know, and have

1038
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: more under your belt. But uh, you know that that

1039
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: was a shitty situation. But in order to keep my routine,

1040
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm about to share this,

1041
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: but I got to go to the Celtics facility and

1042
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: and they took me in and let me rehab their

1043
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: use their facility, sitting you know, like keep my routine

1044
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: like a professional athlete. And that's when it was. They

1045
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: were in training camp. So like I was around there,

1046
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: fellas where for the Kyrie was there, Robert Williams, Tatum,

1047
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown, Tye, Uh, Marcus Smart. Marcus Smart cos he's

1048
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: been bawling, man, he works hard. Yeah, first guard to

1049
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: do it since Gary Payton. You were in the locker

1050
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: room too, right, I was in the locker room with

1051
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: so yeah, So what's the difference because like in the

1052
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: basketball locker room, we're all in they're talking ship. It's

1053
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: a kind of a tighter circle you obviously, and I

1054
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: asked you before, like your NFL locker rooms or defense, offense,

1055
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: special teams, kickers, what's the How did you like the

1056
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: basketball environment? It was awesome because they were all on

1057
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: like they're on like their own little schedule, you know,

1058
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: like each guy had their shoot time. You know. It

1059
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: was a little more laid back. It was less intense.

1060
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, but I think that's because they

1061
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: have more games and there's more you know what I mean.

1062
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: It's like baseball slow grind, you know what I mean,

1063
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: like ours, Like in our training camp, we have ninety

1064
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: guys on there, and and you've got guys trying to

1065
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: make the team, and guys are like walking on glass

1066
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: because you got the turk walking around cutting jokers left

1067
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: and right. You know. So like it was just it

1068
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: was it was different, but like it's also a different sport,

1069
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: Like it's more individualized where you guys are sitting working

1070
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: on your you know, your your craft seven just boom.

1071
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: Everyone had their own coach and you know, like it

1072
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: was a lot more player driven, like you know what

1073
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 1: I mean, we're like cattle over here. Get a bunch

1074
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: of mother you know what I mean, like, get the

1075
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: big guys over there, get the little guys over there,

1076
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, like the I thought

1077
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: that having more coaches for more like like less guys,

1078
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: I thought that was probably an advantage, you know, as

1079
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: far as you got you know, a receiver room. And

1080
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: the beginning the year, we got sucking eight teen guys

1081
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: with one coach. So for the younger guys, you know,

1082
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: it's harder for them because they're really catering to like

1083
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: the guys that are gonna play, the guys are making

1084
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: the team. So like, those are little things I thought about,

1085
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes from basketball to football, you know,

1086
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: because we don't have like a minor league, we don't

1087
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: have a G league. So like it's don't get in

1088
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: or you're out transitioning. We're almost finished here. Um. You've

1089
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: been a big advocate fighting anti semitism. Jack was in

1090
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: an incident about a year year and a half ago. Um,

1091
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: and then you guys have since talked hung out and

1092
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 1: actually talked about actually doing something in the space together. Yeah,

1093
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: we definitely did. We gotta get something going. Let me

1094
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: tell me what tell me, tell the world what is

1095
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: about what's going on? I mean we're right here at showtime,

1096
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: so I mean there's no we gotta make something, you know.

1097
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: It's basically, you know, we had we were both here

1098
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: for Super Bowl and be him and Espinos, and we

1099
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: all went to dinner and after dinner, me and him

1100
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: and us one had a good night out shipping back

1101
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: on Grandpa's old cough medicine. Maybe yeah, the Devil's letter. Yeah,

1102
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: we had, we had. We had a good time. Man.

1103
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: We got a chance to actually talk about a lot

1104
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: of stuff, uh, dealing with all that, man, and we

1105
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: want to We came out, we start talking about when

1106
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: you do a show together, Yeah, you know, do something

1107
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: just like you know, everyone's first instinct when something happens

1108
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: to their people their community is to like put a

1109
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: guard up. Like instead of putting that guard up, let's

1110
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: put a hand out, and let's like understand that to

1111
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: understand what's going on, you know, just have a conversation

1112
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: because like half the time, like when we look at

1113
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: these things, and I don't want to generalize or come

1114
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: off is wrong, but like both the people are usually

1115
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: like the same, right, you know, and there's like a

1116
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: miscommunication just a different color. And I think that's something

1117
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: belief or you know what I mean, It's just something's different.

1118
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: But like when it comes to like personality trade similar

1119
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: fucking the same thing, you know what I mean. So

1120
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: like that's always been my thing. Like let's like try

1121
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: to educate each other on on our communities because the

1122
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: more we know is that's when you start to grow.

1123
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: That's it right there. Everything is just a conversation. You know,

1124
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: when you're green, you grow when you wripe your right,

1125
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: when you think you're done and you you know everything,

1126
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: that's when bad ship happens. When you when you're green

1127
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: and you want to grow on something, that's when like

1128
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: you learn right, and when you learn, you grow absolutely

1129
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: quick hitters coming down the final stretch. If you could

1130
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: pick one receiver that you've never got a chance to

1131
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: play with, uh whatever, Terry Rice, Terry Man. Could you

1132
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: imagine him drawing Jerry Rice drawing the coverage and I

1133
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: get to work inside. I'm just saying, when when I

1134
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: get a cowboy on here, everybody like questions, I love, Hey,

1135
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: I would play with Mike play thank you. I'm mager.

1136
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: That's my guy to excuse moment he comes out. You

1137
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: just don't know, yes that I had to hear U c.

1138
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: L A. Ship the whole day. Now I got to

1139
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: hear Party nine and Ship the whole day. Like to

1140
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: rub it in, what would you want to play with

1141
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: if you did that, you had never got a chance

1142
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: to play with like all time, all time Montana John,

1143
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: just get it, get it. I mean it would be

1144
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: pretty Uh. I think it's pretty fun to play with.

1145
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: Like Aaron Rodgers too, from the back from from the Bay.

1146
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: He's from Butte Chico, Yeah, up north. Yeah, I've been

1147
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: working out with him, yeah, saying he's so cool. Really yeah,

1148
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: he's super cool, dude. There's some guys that just have it,

1149
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, like that that wrist or whatever. It's dude,

1150
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: It's like it's crazy to see how he delivers the

1151
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: football like so nonchalantly and it just goes thick at

1152
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: the wrist. What's the difference to him and Brady Ah

1153
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: that you see, Brady is the same guy always. I'm saying,

1154
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: like as far as quarterbacks, same guy always. Yeah, no

1155
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: matter the situation. Yeah, he's gonna get the best out

1156
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: of his players. That's all I really know. You know,

1157
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: So what I mean, Like, I mean, Brady's He's won

1158
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: seven super Bowls. Yeah, that's the You gotta play your best,

1159
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: but you gotta play your best football in the playoffs.

1160
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: And we've seen over the last few years with Aaron Rodgers.

1161
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: You know, he hasn't been playing his best football. You

1162
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: could say how it's know the team or this. Hey,

1163
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm not reading minds. I'm reading mannerisms, and the mannerisms

1164
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: are telling me the last four years, these guys are

1165
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: number one seed or whatever. I don't have the actual statum.

1166
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: IM a crazy stack guy, but they've been up there

1167
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: where they should been representing the NFC and they haven't.

1168
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: But who he want? I want to see the Packers,

1169
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: you will, I want to see it. I thought they

1170
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: were gonna take it last year, pre season last year,

1171
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: I took the Packers to win it. But then it

1172
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: just went down this road again and then they're now

1173
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: we're losing. We're losing. Adams Brady shows way more emotion

1174
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: to me running into the Niners. You got to stay,

1175
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: that's not question. Brady shows way more emotion and passion

1176
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: during the game before the game and all that. You know,

1177
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: like you just said, and Rodgers real noncellant and I'm

1178
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: gonna go through you know, his wh Yeah, that's his way.

1179
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 1: We're still great, still great. Top five then I guess

1180
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: dead alive. Top five five people you want to have

1181
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: a meal with. Man, this is like a tough one.

1182
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: I think Clint east Wood would be pretty cool to have,

1183
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Clint east Wood would be

1184
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: really cool. I knew that, Huh. I like Blues and

1185
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: Ship Muddy Waters. I want to hear stories. What was

1186
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: that Cadillac Records? Is that the movie? You saw? Cadillac Records? No?

1187
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: I just I have my Spotify. Have you seen cad

1188
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: Records Muddy Waters? I mean I would I would be

1189
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: pretty cool to like talk to Steve Jobs, you know,

1190
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: just kind of get his perspective. I heard he was

1191
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: like kind of big asshole. I want to see I

1192
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: want to see it. I want to see it, you know,

1193
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: because you know a lot of a lot of like

1194
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, big leaders are like that, you know what

1195
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean a little different. You have to be cover boys.

1196
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: So what am I? That's three four Marilyn Monroe. That

1197
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: the stories and the conspiracies that I've heard, and I

1198
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: would want to feel her energy to just like what

1199
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: she's like to be around. Like that's Kim Kardashian. That's

1200
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: modern day. That's modern day Marylyn Monroe, like if you

1201
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: think about it, like and also there's so I'm sorry

1202
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: I can't agree with that book ahead how she's like

1203
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: the big the biggest thing really in the middle world.

1204
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: That's a great comparison. I'm not mad at I never

1205
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: looked at that. We wouldn't make sense. Glam girls. They're

1206
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: glam girls. I'm not saying, but like wanting Monroe get

1207
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: on c sext type I mean by you know, Joe Dimagio,

1208
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of like like you said, I want to know.

1209
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to have the dinner. I don't know,

1210
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: but I want to. I want to know the conspiracy. Yeah, yeah,

1211
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ships. Four that's four and then

1212
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: the last one. This motherfucker' said a sex tape. I

1213
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: think Denzel Washington is pretty cool man because I I

1214
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: hear his perspective on social media and like like interpersonal

1215
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: communication skills and how we're so like different now and

1216
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: like I think he I would learn a lot and

1217
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: like be inspired and just like like a pregame speech

1218
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: to life. He's the guy, you know what I mean

1219
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: When it comes down to it. Like you see a

1220
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: lot of his clips on social where he's like, like

1221
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: I'd rather enjoy a moment in so to take a

1222
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: picture and have that memory or something, you know, Like

1223
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like that. That's a different I

1224
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: like the group a lot of different types. First thing

1225
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: you do when you wake up and the last thing

1226
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: you do before you go to bed brush your teeth.

1227
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: M fundamental. You gotta wake up, brush your teeth, throw

1228
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: a child, and get a coffee. You know, sit down,

1229
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: get the day going, Get the day going. I'm gonna

1230
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: ask this question because we talked about it. I think

1231
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about who hits you the hardest

1232
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: in your career. I got uh, I got smoked by

1233
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: ray Lewis coming and we talked about it and we

1234
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: do a show together on inside the NFL streamoun Paramount

1235
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: plus Shame was plug and I've told him like three

1236
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: or four times. He hit me once where he like

1237
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: knocked me out, and I think he was kind of

1238
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: he was kind of feeling it too, and like I

1239
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: walked over to the sideline and it was someone I

1240
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: thought it was Felodi Nada and he's like, hey, buddy,

1241
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: your sidelines that way, and so I started walking another

1242
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: way and then he hit me so hard another time

1243
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: in uh in the playoffs in two thousand nine, I

1244
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: scored a touchdown and he like tackled me in the

1245
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: end zone and like kneed or elbowed my ass and

1246
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: I had like j low butt cheek full like ten

1247
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: times bigger than my left I had like a hematoma

1248
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: and they had to like go in there. I couldn't

1249
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: sit down for like a week. We got leiminated. I

1250
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,479
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to play like. It was so bad.

1251
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,959
Speaker 1: I couldn't fly home for like a week and a half.

1252
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: So thank you Ray than you know, keep me in

1253
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: Boston more time. Landry, he knocked me out of the

1254
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: game one time. Ryan. It was when he was on

1255
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: he was on the Denver Broncos for a little bit

1256
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: the end, and he knocked me out so hard once

1257
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: I had a star for two weeks in the top

1258
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: right corner of my eye. He hit me on a

1259
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: crosser came down and he was so polite after he

1260
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: hit me, He's like, you right, young fella. I'm like, yeah,

1261
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: am I still on Earth? I asked questions, who would

1262
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: you like to see on our show. But before you

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Speaker 1: answer you a question, you have to help us with

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Speaker 1: your answer. Oh, that kind of knows a lot of

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Speaker 1: people too, Yes, he knows a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of goats. We gotta get we gotta get Brady on here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I'll take Brady your boss or Randy. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna try one or the other. I'm gonna try both both.

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Speaker 1: Why not? Why hey Tom, get on on, Tom quick playing.

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Speaker 1: We'll come to you. Tom will come to your house,

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Speaker 1: Come to your house. We'll go on, man, anywhere you're at,

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Speaker 1: anywhere you're at. We're there, Baker's Bay. Brandy'll pull up

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Speaker 1: to he said, he'll pull up. Randy would definitely come. Yes,

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Speaker 1: well man, we want to thank you man for your

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Speaker 1: time today. We have a gift box for you. What

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Speaker 1: is this just a little uh goody boss for you

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Speaker 1: with some merch in there smoke. Yeah, go ahead and

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Speaker 1: check it out real quick. And then Julian and Jack

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Speaker 1: show coming, Shoot coming, Jack, Julie, catch your nice little

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Speaker 1: sweats fire Jack has on. It's like shattering but with smoke. Basketball.

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Speaker 1: So you're in way, you're in space. Yeah? Is that

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Speaker 1: actual smoke? Yeah, that's pretty I picked that up. That's Jack.

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Speaker 1: Where can they get that at? All the smoke that

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Speaker 1: motherfucking store. But O the motherfucker some white guy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's tight. Yes, that was that was. That was Jack's idea.

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Speaker 1: I gotta get for this stiff. Yeah. That's walking on

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Speaker 1: the beach with your daughter. Yeah, Yetta, get her little one. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a little little little smoke man. That's a rat with

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Speaker 1: Julian Edelmand. You can kiss us on Showtime Basketball YouTube

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Speaker 1: in the I Heart platform Black Effects. See you all

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Speaker 1: next week, See you guys. This is All the Smoke,

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Speaker 1: a production of Black Effect and I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: partnership with Showtime