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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hi'm Tracy Wilson and I'm Holly fry So. We mentioned

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Speaker 1: in our recent episode on Marie and tal Teeth that

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Speaker 1: I had been looking for some Native American history to

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Speaker 1: do for the podcast. It had been a while since

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Speaker 1: we had talked about any Native American history, and in

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Speaker 1: that looking around process, I stumbled across an article on

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Speaker 1: ka Hokio, which is the Mississippian city that was, in

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Speaker 1: the words of Unesco, the largest and earliest pre Columbian

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Speaker 1: city north of Mexico. So naturally I got really excited.

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Speaker 1: I found almost instantly two problems with doing an episode

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Speaker 1: on coki At. One is that Sarah and Bablina did

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Speaker 1: one already in and the other is that there is

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Speaker 1: some debate about whether we should really call Cohokia America's

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Speaker 1: first city. And one of the reasons for that debate

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Speaker 1: is the subject of today's episode, um which is Poverty Point.

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Speaker 1: And so to get this out of the way right

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Speaker 1: at the beginning, Poverty Point is named for a nineteenth

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Speaker 1: century plantation in the area. The name has nothing to

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Speaker 1: do at all with the Native people who live there,

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Speaker 1: or their culture or the site itself. Um, it's just

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Speaker 1: sort of wound up with that name over the years,

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Speaker 1: and occasionally they talk about changing the name to something

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Speaker 1: that's more appropriate for what is actually being studied there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but that's where we are. So Poverty Point has a

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Speaker 1: few things in common with Cohokia. They're both situated in

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Speaker 1: the Mississippi River Valley. Cahokia is a lot farther north

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Speaker 1: and also much closer to the river. So Cahokia is

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Speaker 1: in what's now Illinois, across the Mississippi River from St. Louis, Missouri,

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Speaker 1: and Poverty Point is in the northeast corner of Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: adjacent to Bayou Mason, and both of them are known

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Speaker 1: for their earthworks. Those are large mounds that were created

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Speaker 1: by moving baskets of soil from one place to another.

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Speaker 1: But Poverty Point is much much older than Kahokia, and

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Speaker 1: it's also less clear exactly how people used the site

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Speaker 1: at Poverty Point, but some things about it are really

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Speaker 1: unique among Native American sites. So that is what we

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Speaker 1: are going to talk about today. So Poverty Point, as

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Speaker 1: ridges situated next to Baioux Masson. These were built between

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Speaker 1: three thousand, six hundred and three thousand, one hundred years

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Speaker 1: ago during North America's Archaic period, and some of the

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Speaker 1: site's earthworks were built over generations, whereas others were built

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Speaker 1: by a large group of laborers over a short period

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Speaker 1: of time. They also incorporate some of the mound structures

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Speaker 1: and measurement techniques of older civilizations that actually lived in

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Speaker 1: the area before the arrival of the Poverty Point culture.

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Speaker 1: It's estimated that it took about five million hours of

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Speaker 1: labor to build all of Poverty Points earthworks. This required

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Speaker 1: people to move fifty three million cubic feet of soil,

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Speaker 1: which would have been carried from one place to another

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Speaker 1: in baskets that would have weighed about fifty pounds apiece winfull.

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Speaker 1: The site has six ridges, which are divided by five

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Speaker 1: some of the dirt came from that built them. These

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Speaker 1: gathering place as well as for ceremonial purposes. In addition

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Speaker 1: to the ridges and the plaza, there are six mounds

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Speaker 1: archaeologists believe it was meant to be representative of a bird.

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Speaker 1: It would have taken more than ten million baskets of

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Speaker 1: A is more than twice as big as the next

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Speaker 1: definitely possible that the entire complex had religious or magical significance,

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Speaker 1: to get back to poverty Point. People have found all

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Speaker 1: nineteen twelve, people found an abundance of artifacts. The overwhelming

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Speaker 1: Poverty Point has been named the Poverty Point object, and

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Speaker 1: And there's all kinds of variety and exactly how Poverty

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