1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 3: Welcome to and that's what we really miss podcasts. We 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 3: have Gleak of the Week this week. It's Alicia. Alicia 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 3: is from Germany and discovered Glee in twenty eleven. Alicia 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 3: has a really wonderful, vulnerable story on what Glee, how 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: Glee impacted them and what you know, just I guess 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 3: the way that they connected with it. So it's really beautiful. 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's now an English literature major, so listening 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: to her speak about this is just wonderful. 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: So this is Alicia. 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 4: Hello, how are you good? 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: How are you good? Thanks for coming on the show. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 2: Likewise, thanks for you here in Germany. Yes, thanks for 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: staying up later to do this. Yeah, okay, good. 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: Great, Well that's I would be in bed. 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's late for Jenna. Look, I'm on the show. 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: We're so excited to chat with you. We're so grateful 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: you listen to the podcast and that you've you know, 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: integrated gly into your life in all the ways that 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: we want to kind of talk to you about. Can 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 3: you tell us how you found Glee or how Glee 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: found you or when you. 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: First watched it. 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 4: So for some reason, I remember this very vividly, but 26 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 4: it was one night that like I'd already seen Empire, 27 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 4: State of Mind and Don't Step Believing on YouTube, and 28 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 4: I was in choir and a theat kids, so naturally 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: I was like, that looks exciting. And then like, for 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 4: some reason, I was like just home alone and I 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 4: turned on like the More of a sky Kitch Senna 32 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 4: at like thirteen or fourteen, and basically Glee was on. 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 4: I was like, I saw one episode and I was 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: just like immrely hooked. And I find this so impressive 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: because I could never pull this off now. But that night, 36 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 4: I like snack into my parents' bedroom after they fell asleep, 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: took my dad's iPad, watched Glee all night, oh, and 38 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 4: then put it back the next morning. 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: It's like your version of sneaking out, Yeah, why are 40 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: you exhausted? Do you remember what episode it was that 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: first took to you, the one that you saw? 42 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 4: It was one oh eight or nine, I'm not entirely sure, 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: but the first scene I saw was definitely a Puckelaberry scene. 44 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 5: M M. 45 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 4: I don't know, but that is just it opened on 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 4: that and I was like, huh, what is this? Oh 47 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: they're singing, Oh then choir, that's exciting. And yeah, So 48 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 4: it was one of those which I think at in 49 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 4: Germany like twenty eleven, so a little later. Yeah, but yeah. 50 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: And why the hook to you about the show? Like 51 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: what was it about the show that like kind of 52 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: you sunk your yeah clause too? 53 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 4: I mean I think like I was, in general, I 54 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 4: think quite the posted child for like the target audience, 55 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 4: because like I wasn't quire. I was also unaware at 56 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 4: the time, but still just a queer kid. And then 57 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 4: also had been like experiencing bullying pretty much like my 58 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 4: entire life until that point. And that was kind of 59 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: like also the point where it did get more challenging 60 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: because kids would like get kind of more aggressive with 61 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: it and would like, for example, like be telling me 62 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 4: to like kill myself or something, which of course was 63 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 4: a lot to deal with. 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 65 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 66 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 4: So seeing other like kind of bullied kids on TV 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 4: who like I would be able to connect to on 68 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 4: so many levels or was just so valuable, like and 69 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: then especially also kind of moving on from that, like 70 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 4: two years into watching Lee, figuring out that I was 71 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 4: queer and then having that to kind of hold onto 72 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 4: because that felt like, oh, suddenly I'm before it was 73 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 4: like different by kind of social status, and then suddenly 74 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: it felt like I was different by definition, and at 75 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 4: the time thought that I would be like an outcast 76 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: of the rest of my life. And so it just 77 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 4: kind of was like a tough time where Glee was 78 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 4: I think incredibly helpful for like make me feel seen 79 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 4: and giving me something to just like hold on to. 80 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: And it sounds quite extreme, but I'm not sure if 81 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 4: I would have like stuck around for the real life 82 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 4: changes that later like facilitated the life that I have now, 83 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 4: which is wonderful and like very far away from like 84 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 4: that fourteen year old. But yeah, so those are kind 85 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 4: of to thinks, and so I'm very grateful to the 86 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 4: show and to your work. 87 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: Wow, thank you so much for sharing that. 88 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're so sorry you went through all of that, 89 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: and yet also so happy that you are in a 90 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 3: great place and you know can look it back at 91 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: that time and reflect on that and the way that 92 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: you did. 93 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 4: It's really beautiful. 94 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: Do you find like when I've spoken to a lot 95 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: of people who grew up outside of America, their question 96 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 2: is always like are American high schools actually like that, 97 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: you know, with the clicks, the groups, the bullying, all 98 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: of those things, because a lot of people the bullying 99 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: may present itself in other ways, or the school structure 100 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: is different. When you were watching that and able to 101 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: you know, see yourself represented in a way or feel seen, 102 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: how is that compared, I guess to you know, our 103 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: classic sort of American stereotypical high school to like what 104 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: you were maybe your school structure was like at that time. 105 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 4: So I actually went to an American high school for 106 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 4: half a year and did like half your ofuphonic exchange. 107 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 4: So it was different. Like my high school experience was 108 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,559 Speaker 4: like very positive, like kind of people were very nice. 109 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 4: People are also a lot more invested in their schools 110 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 4: because we don't really have like school clubs or something 111 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 4: like that, and we also don't really have subjects that 112 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 4: are like anything beyond kind of the basics of you know, math, science, languages. 113 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: We have like one music class and one art class 114 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 4: and that sort of it. And so it was like 115 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: in the US, I had a really good time because 116 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 4: it was just so different. There was so much more 117 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 4: I felt like space for individuality. Also, I think because 118 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: in that case, I was expected to be somewhat different 119 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 4: just because of my cultural context, because I was like 120 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 4: in a really small town. It's like there's a German 121 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 4: whom most people have never encountered, and so it's definitely 122 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 4: very different. And I feel like also especially at the time, 123 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: with people being like I think Germans are very kind 124 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: of grounded, but also in a way that's like a 125 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 4: little like I want to say, sad, but they're not 126 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 4: so excited about things. Usually they don't go like, oh, 127 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 4: you should like reach for the stars and whatever, which 128 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 4: is very different to what I experienced in America. Yes, 129 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 4: so like I would say, more rational, but sometimes I 130 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 4: think it's really nice to also have like someone who's 131 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 4: more like no strife for what you want and stuff 132 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 4: like that. Yeah, very different mentality and very different experience. 133 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: So I see that you started the glead education on 134 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: Instagram and that you are studying English literature and you're 135 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: considering writing your thesis on Glee. 136 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 4: Yes, so like the Instagram account, like I've called it 137 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: glee Ucation, I just started, I think yesterday, but I 138 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 4: just also started rewatching it like my friends started and 139 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 4: was like I've been rewatching Glee and I was like, huh, 140 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: should I do that? And to my surprise, the show 141 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 4: is a lot better than anticipated. Like when I said, 142 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 4: I was like, huh, I should I write? 143 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: You never know how things are going. 144 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 3: To finish the idea of what was once. 145 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 4: And I also feel like Lee has such like a 146 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 4: kind of I want to say, complicated legacy obviously, you know, 147 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 4: with everything had happened in real life, but also kind 148 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: of at the end, I feel like everyone kind of 149 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: hated the show, but who loved it. I had like 150 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 4: love had relationship with it, yes and so. And I 151 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: also like I never finished the show, like I saw 152 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 4: the episodes off season six at Santana was in and 153 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 4: that was it. Wow. I just expected it to not 154 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 4: be as good and as funny, especially because at fifteen, 155 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 4: so many jokes would just fly across my head or 156 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: you know, like because you're dramatic teenager, everything is so 157 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 4: like serious like storylines when I'm not like this hilarious, 158 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: Like I was like, no, this is so problematic. It's 159 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: such an interesting like experience to rewatch it and to 160 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 4: get like that kind of I don't know, more mature 161 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 4: maybe stands on it. And I also kind of found 162 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 4: interesting that, like, I obviously like listening to your podcast, 163 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, there's so many like also positive 164 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 4: like memories I have actually from the time that I 165 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: spent kind of like an online fanoms and stuff like that, 166 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 4: which I also thought was like a really negative time actually, 167 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 4: because do you know like the the one post where 168 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 4: a girl like reflects on what being in a gleef 169 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 4: and and was like, no, okay, it was a very 170 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 4: long tumbler post. It's extremely well written, and I would 171 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 4: agree with it in large parts about like how everyone 172 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 4: was kind of fighting each other and it was like, 173 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: you know, this kind of wall for representation because everyone 174 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 4: was being represented and so everyone was like no, I 175 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 4: want more of this, No, I want more of this. 176 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 4: And there were so many like odd things like for example, 177 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 4: I think most Britanna fans hate it Blaine. 178 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: That's what we're discovering. We're discovering like the Clane and 179 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: Blaine versus like Britanna fans. Yes, it was a full 180 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: on war. 181 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: The war. 182 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 4: It was like it was intense, and I feel like 183 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 4: those are things that I know. Look, I'm like that 184 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 4: was so silly and now also rewatching, I'm like, oh, 185 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 4: I don't hate Blaine as much as characters like Umbrage 186 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 4: for instance, which was like he was at the poor 187 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: and so it's just like so interesting to get this 188 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 4: new experience, but at the same time also look back 189 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: and so many things that like also people who they 190 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 4: haven't been there don't know about or like also I 191 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: was watching a prom episode and they sing Friday by 192 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 4: Rebecca Black, which no new Gleek would understand the relevance 193 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 4: from because you haven't been there for like that entire thing, right, 194 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 4: And so I kind of wanted to, I guess, put 195 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 4: it in a context and add kind of material that you, 196 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 4: if you don't know what you're looking for, would not 197 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 4: be able to find, I guess, And I'm realizing that's 198 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 4: a very big undertaking. I have a pay like like 199 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 4: a dog with just bullet points, which is about thirty 200 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 4: pages song at this point. 201 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, for the entire show. So like, yea 202 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: fair enough, fair enough. 203 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 4: So I'm like, I wonder if I will stick through 204 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 4: to season six, right, definitely season three, but yeah to 205 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: kind of just like archive and also maybe at like 206 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 4: a different perspective because there were a lot of fun 207 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 4: times to be had too. 208 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, lot exactly. 209 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: That you mentioned you watched until Santana's storyline sort of 210 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: stopped happening. Yeah, what was was she your favorite character? 211 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: Was her storyline your favorite? Like what was that journey 212 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: like for you? 213 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 4: So I think Santana was just like a character who 214 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 4: I had first thought that I just liked her character, 215 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 4: which I do, but I was a very over invested 216 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 4: straight ally at the time for like two years, and 217 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 4: then eventually learned, oh, I think I'm more like her 218 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 4: than I think, and also then really attached like Santana 219 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 4: Brittany and the entire Britanna arc because also at the time, 220 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 4: I think there were like there was grayce Anatomy, had 221 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 4: Kelly in Arizona, pri La Liar said Emily and whoever 222 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 4: she was stating at the time, and that was pretty 223 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 4: much I think it in terms of like representation, and 224 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 4: so I think having Santana in like that showed that 225 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 4: already felt so representative, like made me feel so seen. 226 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 4: At the same time, I think that like she's just 227 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: such a fun character to watch right, Like she has 228 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 4: like she's hilarious and then she's also like hast that 229 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: like deep vulnerability, and it is such a kind of 230 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 4: like in a lead up to this, I was thinking, 231 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 4: if there are other like kind of mean cheerleader characters 232 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 4: that I can think of who kind of managed to 233 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 4: have that many layers to such depth, And its just 234 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 4: like also like Naya was just so incredible and all 235 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 4: of those different facets of her, and so I think 236 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: on one hand, I just really enjoyed like her as 237 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 4: a character, and on the other hand, it was just 238 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 4: like the first time I had felt seen and and 239 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 4: represented kind of to that extent, which is like became 240 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: so important to me. Like at the time, it was 241 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 4: not like healthy, but I had I think when when 242 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 4: they broke up in like season four, I had stomachs 243 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 4: a week over it. 244 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 5: Oh no, a deep and emotional attachment to their Yeah, wow, no, 245 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 5: you're so right. I mean, we're we obvious knew that 246 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 5: the power of Naya and getting to rewatch the show 247 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 5: has been such a gift to appreciate the talents that 248 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 5: both Corey and I are brought to the show, and 249 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 5: then just being able to really appreciate their characters and 250 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 5: the what they did in terms of the representation for 251 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 5: people like you, you know, for all the fans for 252 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 5: Santana and for Brittany. We were just we've been so 253 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 5: grateful for that experience, you know, because we were like, oh, 254 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 5: I don't know for how is this going to be 255 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 5: watching this now, you know, after everything that's happened. 256 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: But it's actually been like very healing in a way 257 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: to celebrate them, you know, like over again and just 258 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 3: be reminded of how how much they shared with the world. 259 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: So I also think the context. You know, we talk 260 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: about the passion of Britanna fans, but the context you 261 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: just gave about, there weren't a lot of other examples 262 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: on popular television shows at the time, so it's like 263 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: when you're only given you know, a few people or 264 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: characters in the whole wide world of popular television shows, 265 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: like you do fight for that because it's like not 266 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: very often you get to see yourself represented in that way. 267 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: And I think that's something you know, I didn't necessarily 268 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: think about because we were on a show that was 269 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: representing sort of as many different types of people as possible, 270 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: so we were spoiled in that. But you know, if 271 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: you were just a viewer or like, this is an 272 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: hour of your week and this is all you get 273 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: and you have pretty little liars. You have Gray's anatomy, 274 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: then that's not a lot overall. Yeah, and so yeah, 275 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about that now. So that's illuminating because 276 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: it does speak to, you know, the passion of of 277 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: the fans of the community. 278 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 4: I think it's so fastating in general to look back 279 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 4: because now I'm like, I can't I don't think I 280 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 4: can fathom like the period of aird in like I 281 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 4: remember at the time, for example, like Wikipedia would tell 282 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 4: you Dan Germany, seventy percent of people were against homosexuality, 283 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 4: where I'm like, no, it's stupid, right, But it was 284 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 4: such a different time. 285 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. 286 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: And it's also it's unfathomable that it was that recent. Yeah, 287 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: like it's not that long ago. And like culturally, I think, 288 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: as we've always said, like Glee is sort of like 289 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: the transition period of that time, and it's it is 290 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: very strange to think about like when Glee first started airing, 291 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: even in the US, you know, like where were politics 292 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: and like what happened during the course of like the 293 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: Obama presidency and then when it ended and where we 294 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: are now. It's so it is very strange to look 295 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: back and think about like when we first started traveling internationally, Jena. 296 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: Do you remember like we'd go to other countries and 297 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 2: like some countries would have an overwhelming response like of 298 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: warmth about the show, or when we first went to 299 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: France or even Germany, where like the response was much 300 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: let's say colder at first, because I think, you know, 301 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 2: like the climate politically, climate, socially, climate wise, it was. Yeah, 302 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: there were different things happening, and I also think how 303 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: people expressed those things is different. But yeah, fascinating. Well, 304 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: I think if you're able to write something, I would 305 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: love to read it, because, like you are so well spoken, 306 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 2: you clearly think so deeply about these things, and it's 307 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: so nice to be able to like talk about that 308 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: with you. 309 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 4: I mean it might be in my massive speceis, which 310 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 4: is in two years, so you. 311 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: Have some time to be continued. Yeah. 312 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, Before we let you go, we ask everybody the question, 313 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 3: what is the feeling that Glee leaves you with? 314 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 4: I think it would be sowles enjoy. 315 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, very good, And no one said solace yet. 316 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: No, Well, good luck with your rewatch. We hope you enjoy. 317 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: It and you get through and maybe you'll make it 318 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: all the way to the season six, and thank you 319 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: so much for taking the time to come on the 320 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 3: show today and for keeping the Glee engine alive and 321 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 3: you know, the fandom a lie. We really appreciate it 322 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 3: and it's just so nice to connect with you. 323 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing so much of your story. 324 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: I'm so glad that, yeah, we had this opportunity to 325 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: talk to you and get to learn all about you 326 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: and what Glee meant to you. So thank you, so 327 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: so much. 328 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 4: Thank you. 329 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 3: Have a good evening. 330 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: Days now, Yes I have I. 331 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 4: Have New York to watch next, so I think I'll. 332 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: Have amazing bye, good bye, Thank you. She was wonderful, 333 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: so cool. 334 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 3: It's just like so fun to see the array of 335 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 3: fans and they're just like they're attachment to the show 336 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 3: and how they're you know, continuing to watch it and 337 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 3: rewatch and just their takes on it so dynamic and 338 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: different and it's just really great. So thank you to 339 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 3: Alicia for coming on all the way from Germany, for 340 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: taking all those crazy thirty pages of notes and potentially 341 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 3: writing your thesis on this, but also just most importantly 342 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 3: supporting the show and supporting. 343 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: Us, supporting herself for like sticking through the hard times 344 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: and getting out on the other side. 345 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, one incredible story. 346 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really fascinating to see at the 347 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: end of the day, how everything this is gonna sound 348 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: so lame, but everything comes down to story. Where there 349 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: are cultural divides, their geographical divides that make us feel 350 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: separate and far apart, and as long as you have 351 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 2: good story and people that can see themselves, that transcends 352 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 2: all those things. And it was really nice to hear 353 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: how she was able to relate to Glee. Thank you 354 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: so much, Alsia for joining us and that's what you 355 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: really missed. Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram 356 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: at and that's what you really miss pod. Make sure 357 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: to write us a review and leave us five stars. 358 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: See you next time.