1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to five hundred Greatest Songs, a podcast based on 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Rolling Stones hugely popular, influential, and sometimes controversial list. I'm 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Britney Spanis. 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: And I'm Rob Sheffield. We're here to shed light on 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: the greatest songs ever made and discover what makes them 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: so great. 7 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Today we're talking about Believe by Share, a song that 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: is actually perfect. 9 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: The whole story, the whole greatness, the whole legacy of 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: the madness pop music. One perfect song. 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: Yes. 12 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 4: So. 13 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: This song made its debut on the twenty twenty one 14 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: list at three thirty seven, and on previous list, SHARE's 15 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: only entry was with Sunny for I Got You Babe. 16 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: It ranked a number four forty four on the two 17 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: thousand and four list, but actually did not make the 18 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: new list, but Believe did. And I think it's a 19 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: part of a grand story of Share and kind of 20 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: the mini ups and downs that she's had that have 21 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: led to kind of this newfound and very very appropriate 22 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: sort of appreciation for her solo career that's happened over 23 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: I think like the last decade really of the kind 24 00:00:59,640 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: of Share. 25 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: I have to say, Brittany and Believe are a cosmic pair. 26 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: I think SHARE's Belief is arguably the most Britney song 27 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 2: of all time. Yeah, just the esthetic, the legacy, everything 28 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: about it. 29 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you remember where you were when you first 30 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 3: heard Believe? 31 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yes, it was when it came out, heard it 32 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: on the radio. The synthiness of the chorus, which we 33 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: will talk about, and the vocal and just that aspect 34 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: of the production was so new and exciting. But also 35 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: this was share singing, an intense share song about Sharre's life. 36 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: There were lots of those in the nineties, so many 37 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, and yet Believe seemed to be even 38 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: by her standards, on a whole other level. 39 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I very distinctly remember it was nineteen eighty nine 40 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: or two thousand when I first heard the song, and 41 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: it was after sort of again, this beginning of the 42 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: bubblegum pop era that was overtaking the world and my 43 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: world specifically. But I very distinctly remember going over to 44 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: a friend's house and her mom let us watch Spice World. 45 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: So we watch Spice World, but she said we can 46 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: only watch Spice Rol if she put something on after, 47 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: and she put on a share concert film from one 48 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: of her Vega shows, I Believe, and she was like 49 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: watch this pay attention to her wigs, and that line 50 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: changed my life. So that was my origin story of 51 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: Share was pay attention to her wigs, and I did. 52 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: I listened very carefully, and those wigs changed everything. 53 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: Wow, wherever you are right now, I want to thank 54 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: you for saying those words to a young Britney Spanish. 55 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: How much you changed the world. Since then, the whole 56 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: world has been paying attention to Brittany, paying attention to 57 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: this way. 58 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: So Share, I mean, there's so much that leads up 59 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: to Believe, and I feel like we really need to 60 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: get into the decades that built up to this, because 61 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: it was such a big deal for Share at fifty 62 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: two to release the song Believe and to have it 63 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: become the biggest song of her career, and there was 64 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: so much kind of you know, big moments and then 65 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: like big flops and then kind of disappearances and then 66 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: other things. So I feel like we need to really 67 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: really get into it. Share, of course, gets her start 68 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: in the sixties. She meets Sonny Bono. She's sixteen, he's 69 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: thirty two. He's working at phil Specter and they start 70 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: releasing music. A couple of years later, they get married, it's, 71 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: you know, not a great sort of age gap situation 72 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: that's happening then. But anyway, they get married when she's eighteen, 73 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: they start releasing music and they're pretty successful. Immediately they 74 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: have I Got You Babe, the beat goes on. The 75 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: songs are huge, huge sixties pop records, and of course 76 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: Share is starting her solo career. 77 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: At the time too. 78 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: She releases Bang Bang and you know, everything's real, real 79 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: groovy in the Sonny and Chair world. But then the 80 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: late sixties hit and they kind of fall off. You know, 81 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: they kind of aren't They're a little square to people. 82 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: What was your kind of remembering of the Sonny and 83 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: Share songs? Were they really really uncool when you were 84 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: when you were a little kid, or were they kind 85 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: of always kind of part of public consciousness? 86 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: They were always there, They were on TV? Is the 87 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: thing like that? It was a huge thing for them 88 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: to be hosting a music variety show where other people 89 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: would come and do their music. So it wasn't even 90 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: that you loved Sonny and Share, although you did. They 91 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: were so funny on their show. They were a comedy duo, 92 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: but also who was going to show up that week 93 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: and do songs, who was going to do their hits. 94 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: There was a bit of all pop music in their show, 95 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: so it's almost like they were DJs as well as 96 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: performers in their own right, because somebody was going to 97 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: be on Sonny and Share Sunday night and they were 98 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: going to be doing their hits. So it was a 99 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: sort of weekly education in music. 100 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course that Variety show is such a 101 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: big part of bringing them back in the seventies and 102 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: making them popular again after their music kind of kind 103 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: of lost its touch on the charts. And also Share 104 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: solo career was really panned at this time, even though 105 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: some great albums were happening at that time. Of course, 106 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: her Jackson Highway album, which is all of her kind 107 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: of country and rock covers. I just want to give 108 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: a shout out to that because it's a very good 109 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: album and critics panned it, but I thought it was great. 110 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: Would you say that it has one of the all 111 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: time greatest versions of a Bob Dylan song? 112 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: I sure would. 113 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: I would agree with you. I would say that tonight 114 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: I'll be staying here with you. 115 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 5: Yeah version. 116 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, outsong and outsold. Yeah. 117 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: The Bob Dylan Share Connection itself would be like three 118 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: held episodes. But it's also whild that Share was the 119 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: ultimate pop star in the seventies just because she would 120 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 2: do a little bit of everything. She would steal from everything. Also, 121 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 2: she was on TV and everybody knew her and she 122 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: had wide open taste. Everybody knows now the astounding performance 123 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: where David Bowie was a guest on The Share Show 124 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: and they did a medley of pop songs from the 125 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: fifties sixty seventies. They did this the most insane medley 126 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: of songs. It could only have been Bowie and Share. Yeah, 127 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: it's one of the freakiest things ever aired on network TV. 128 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I feel like, kind of looking back 129 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: on seventy Share is such a perfect kind of example 130 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: of how many ups and downs she went into her career, 131 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: because it's like the music was kind of that a down, 132 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: but then the variety shows what Sonny brings it up, 133 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: and their divorce kind of brings it up to because 134 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: they were the first divorced couple on TV to get 135 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: which is like such an insane kind of record type 136 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: of thing to have under your belt. But then without 137 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: their marriage, without the show, another kind of dip in 138 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: the Share career and then of course getting her back 139 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: on TV. She's married to Greg Alman now she does 140 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: her Share show. She's also beyond of course just the 141 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: Bowie duet, which is like one of my favorite things. 142 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: There's the West Side Story where she does every character 143 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: in West Side Story, which is like the most wonderful thing. 144 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 1: She also is very, very integral and helping bring Tina 145 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: Turner back. There's so many parallels between their careers and 146 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: kind of having the husband wife duo and sort of 147 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: the kind of trying to get the solo careers off 148 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: the ground in the seventies after divorces. But I've always 149 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: really loved kind of their connection that they had, but 150 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: especially share bringing Tina on to the Share show so 151 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: much and kind of sharing the wealth of this kind 152 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: of revival that she was seeing post divorce and able 153 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: to see for her solo career. And of course disco 154 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: is a big part of it too. She has her 155 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: kind of her disco revival. She fits right in with 156 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: that entire scene, and then she wants to go rock again. 157 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: She starts a band called Black Roses, right Pete Black Roses, 158 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: But that doesn't really pan out. People don't really get 159 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: black roses or the fact that Scher is a rock singer. 160 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: Now, I'm believable you actually you moved very quickly over 161 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: her marriage to Greg Ohman. 162 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: In fact, I have a lot to say about it. 163 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: It feels almost like it might be implying that the 164 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: marriage did not even last very long. 165 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: The marriage did not last very long. But okay, did 166 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: you see the show, The Share Show on Broadway? 167 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 2: Yes? I did. Okay, so Brittany, we will talk about 168 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: you and this probably music. 169 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: I cried several times during the musical. But my two 170 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: favorite things kind of happen around the same era of Share, 171 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: which is one the reason why she divorces Sonny is 172 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: because she has a conversation with Lucille Ball in the 173 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: show where it's like Lucille Ball is the one who's 174 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: telling her to divorce Sonny, and I really love that 175 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: being added in. There's no record of that actually ever 176 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: happening or being the reason why Sonny and Sher get 177 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: but it's a really great moment in the musical where 178 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: an actress just shows up and plays Lucy Oball, who 179 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: actually was friends with SHARE's mom at some point because 180 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: of her mom being an actress. But I love that 181 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: there's no record of this being a reason why Shared 182 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: Divorce is Sonny. But also the great just like Jesse 183 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: James duet that fictional Share and Greg Allman do in 184 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: the show is very important to me because it's so good. 185 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: Incredible couple, incredible couple. 186 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: I feel like you're going out of your way not 187 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: to mention any music that they happen to make together. 188 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's not my favorite in the I'll say 189 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: I love the fictional duet of them singing just like 190 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: Jesse James. 191 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: There is an actual album and it is called All 192 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: Men and Women. That is the name of their duo. 193 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: This alone, I think, calls for a Share museum to 194 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: the hard Way, but by the due of All Men 195 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: and Woman is in itself legendary. 196 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: And an rip to that couple. Really just a great 197 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: rock pop couple in history. 198 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: Though. 199 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 2: Should we have a moment of silence for every day 200 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: the marriage lasted before the first time Share filed for. 201 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: Divorce, Yeah, exactly nine moments. 202 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they got it full nine days, beautiful nine days. 203 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: They got married three days after her divorce was Sonny 204 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: was finalized. 205 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 3: But then they got back together. They tried it again 206 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: three years they had a kid. 207 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: Well, like, yeah, it's just kind of beautiful. I always 208 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: love the way Greg Almond describes like their connection in 209 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 2: his amazing memoir Yeah, it's like very much worth reading 210 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: My Cross to Bear. But yeah, I love how he 211 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: shows up to pick up Share in a you a 212 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: long black limousine. Yeah, she thinks it's really cool. And 213 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: she sees him, She's like, fuck you, I'm not getting 214 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: in that funeral car. And she's like, we're taking my car, 215 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: We're taking my Mercedes's absolutely beautiful, like this, this is 216 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 2: absolutely this is the way a true great rock and 217 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: roll love story should begin. Right. 218 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: It was sort of a again like the Share Show's 219 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: doing well, weird marriage, music career kind of still fighting 220 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: that way of She's a very experimental person. She's someone 221 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: who likes trying out new things. She's never stopped doing that. 222 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, But the essence of Sharing the seventies is, like 223 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: you said, she would do anything. She had noted. There 224 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 2: was no concept in her mind of this is a 225 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: genre that maybe is not for me. Maybe it calls 226 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: for some expertise that I don't have. I shouldn't make 227 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: a southern rock album. I shouldn't make a hard rock 228 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: I shouldn't make a glam rock record. I shouldn't make 229 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: a disco album. I shouldn't do a medley of the 230 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: entire musical of West Side Story with me being every character. 231 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: There's absolutely no voice in Shar's head saying like you 232 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: should you know, maybe like sit this one out. She 233 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: is part of every story in pop music. 234 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: And the thing is she was proven right by history 235 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: that she could do everything. I feel like that's the 236 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: thing too, is like so much of that stuff has 237 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: had new lives, like breathe into it, where so many 238 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: people have looked back and been like, huh, Shar's voice 239 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: actually sounds great on like a glam rock record. Shar's 240 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: voice actually sounds really great singing like southern rock. 241 00:10:59,360 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: You know. 242 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: Her vocal range is really remarkable and really incredible, and 243 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: she just has the personality to pull off a lot 244 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: of stuff like the West Side Story video. I mean, 245 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: that's something that I feel like people rediscover and discover 246 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: for the first time every year and are kind of 247 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: blown away by how just kind of weird and insane 248 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: it is to have chosen to do that. And for 249 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: anyone who have thought to do that in the first place, 250 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: but also the fact that it's kind of really fun 251 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: to watch, Like if I watch that live, I would 252 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: also be talking about it for the rest of my life, you. 253 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 5: Know, absolutely. 254 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: And this is just the beginning of the Share story. Yeah, 255 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: that she was. 256 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 3: She was the eighties crazy. 257 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: That was a crazy Share decade. 258 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: This was again very the foresight to try everything, to 259 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: dip a few hands and toes into as many things 260 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: as possible is something that Share again has been proven 261 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: extremely right by history, and she decides to try acting. 262 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: She auditions for some theater roles, some film roles, and 263 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: this ends up being one of the smartest moves she's 264 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: ever made, because she ends up winning an Oscar for Moonstruck. 265 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: Her film career, of course, starts to take off at 266 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: this point and ends up again being another revival for Share. 267 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: When the music the Black Roses Band doesn't really take 268 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: off the way she's hoping, When the music isn't really 269 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: kind of hitting the way it had been just a 270 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: few years prior, she ends up finding a home in Hollywood, 271 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 1: which makes so much sense for her because her personality 272 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: the Variety shows, her kind of performances on those shows 273 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: were such a big part of bringing her back into 274 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: the public sphere. 275 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: Yes, and it has to be stressed she did it 276 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: the hard way. She did not waltz into vehicles for 277 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: her as a famous person. Her first big film role 278 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: was Silkwood, a very serious film. She is in a 279 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: supporting part. She is not playing a Share type of role. 280 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: It's a very complicated, very serious drama, very political drama. 281 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 2: Share is playing a minor character, and she's a lesbian character. 282 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: At a time when this was considered an absolute career 283 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: killer for a high profile actress or any actress to do, 284 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: and we could make a long list of actress in 285 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: the eighties would not play roles like this specifically because 286 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: of that. It cannot be stressed. What a bold, unprecedented, 287 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: uncalled for, unexpected and really unremarked upon at the time 288 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: move this was for her, so typical of her seriousness, 289 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: so typical of her ambition. 290 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: The number of roles she's done, the number of iconic 291 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: films she's really attached her name to and made iconic 292 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: by how incredible her acting is. You know, she was 293 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: playing alongside actors that we consider to be the best 294 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: of all time, like someone like Meryl Streep is someone 295 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: that we can She's one of the most awarded actresses 296 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: in history. I mean, Share is holding her own with 297 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: Meryl Streep in that film. She is remarkable in it. 298 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: It was so astounding when she was in Mask in 299 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four and she is a biker mom. It's 300 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: a mask, but it was not what people are expecting 301 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 2: a Share type of movie role to be. She is 302 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: a very unglamorous, very tough, very gritty, very unsaintly working 303 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: class biker mom of a character who she's very protective of. 304 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: It was a very very different type. 305 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean in peak Share, of course, she's 306 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: doing these roles where she is very much dressing herself 307 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: down and she is like deglamming. She is playing an 308 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: every woman in a lot of these roles and then 309 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: has like the biggest moment in her pop career at 310 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: that time. Yet with if I could turn back time, 311 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: I mean, this is like the peak kind of glam Share. 312 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: She's finding sort of her footing in the eighties, takes 313 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: over the eighties in a lot of ways at this point, 314 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: and is able to balance these two things at once. 315 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: This really remarkable Hollywood career where she's playing against what 316 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: people thought was her type, and also then being the 317 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: pop star she always has been that also is really 318 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: leaning into the rock vocalist that she really wanted to be, 319 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: that she was really toying with in the seventies that 320 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: kind of was not super accepted when she wasn't you know. 321 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: It was really kind of her her disco and sort 322 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: of radio pop moments that were more acceptable to people. 323 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: But this was her being able to be like a 324 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: little bit of a rock star, total pop star, and 325 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, in a tiny onesie on like was it 326 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: air Force or whatever kind of military base, and like 327 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: the battleship. 328 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: She's got the entire navy on this. She has turned 329 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: the entire US Navy into an entire battleship fleet of 330 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: her gay boyfriends. This is the proudest moment, Like she 331 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: is absolutely like, Hi, I'm sure I'm going to spend 332 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: this video wearing an outfit that is so obscene that 333 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: it would not have been considered possible to air on 334 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: MTV a couple years later, except at this point it 335 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: was so yeah out there fashion wise that they thought like, oh, 336 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: like we basically have shared just basically naked from the 337 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: waist down having sex with all these battleships, and you know, 338 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: the entire navy is like cheering her on and dancing 339 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: and this is like kind of an amazing move. Yeah, 340 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: she is very tattooed. Yeah, it's like it's completely nuts. Yeah. 341 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: And after you know, she has all these incredible roles. 342 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: But in the nineties, she ends up having the epstein 343 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: bar virus, which leaves are really fatigued and unable to 344 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: do both the jobs that she had been doing for 345 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: so long, and that she had been sort of really 346 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: working her ass off in both of those ses, but 347 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: suddenly it was very fatigued, started doing infomercials. You know, 348 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: is regarded as again kind of uncool at this point. 349 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: You know, this was a time, especially when it was 350 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: like the idea that she was passed her prime was 351 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: a very big part of how people saw her and 352 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: saw a lot of women her age coming into to 353 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: music or film or kind of moving on with their 354 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: careers at this point. So the nineties end up being 355 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: a slow period for Share. We don't really hear much 356 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: from Share in the nineties. She is again doing infomercials, 357 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: not acting as much as a brief aside. Before we 358 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: get to believe She does a writing camp in nineteen 359 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: ninety four, writes a bunch of songs that would end 360 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: up not being released for several years because you know, 361 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: this is kind of a Share is not the same 362 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: type of superstar that she had been just a decade prior. 363 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: But she writes a song inspired by Kirk Comaine's death 364 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four. This was a songwriting era for Share. 365 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: She was doing some introspection writing some songs. But it's 366 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: a little fun fact I love from the nineties Share 367 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: that we didn't hear that song until Not Commercial comes 368 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: out in the early two thousands. Great album, one of 369 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: the first Internet only album releases. But you know, she 370 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: has her big return in nineteen ninety eight. Of course, 371 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: that's the same year that Sunny dies very tragically in 372 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: a ski accident. And I mean, this is you know, 373 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,719 Speaker 1: this is a huge earth shattering moment for Sharing. This 374 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: is someone that she had known for most of her life. 375 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: At this point, even though they had divorced, they still 376 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: had a child together. They still kind of were in 377 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: and eye of each other's lives. They had done sort 378 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: of like a mini reunion on I Believe Letterman not 379 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: too long before he had died. They had really found 380 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: peace with each other before he had passed, So this 381 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: was a really obviously, very tragic and earth scattering moment 382 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: in SHARE's life. She delivered a very have you seen 383 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: the video of the eulogy, of course, like absolutely studying 384 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: and heartbreaking moment. So when a song like Believe comes out, 385 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: it feels very apt in a lot of ways, lyrically 386 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: about kind of what Share is going through in her 387 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: life and after a really major loss of someone very 388 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: transformative in her career end existence. 389 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: Well, this is Sharre in your fifties, and this is 390 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: someone who was not expected to still be famous in 391 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: her twenties, and she was considered washed up by the 392 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 2: time she was at the end of her teens, and 393 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 2: she certainly was not expected to be still going, still growing, 394 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: still experimenting, still relevant into her thirties. So for Shared 395 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: to be entering her fifties with a song like this, well, 396 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: I mean it's got to be kind of. 397 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: Thematic, yeah, And I mean this song is one of 398 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: the great dance songs of all time. This is a 399 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: song that's fitting into the dance pop renaissance at the 400 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: late nineties, the kind of euro dance club wave that's 401 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: happening across music. I mean, this is a pretty unexpected 402 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: sound for someone who is entering their fifties as a 403 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: pop star at this time. Instead of being like acting 404 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: washed up in the way that so much of the 405 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: industry thought that she was, She's like, actually, I'm gonna 406 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: make something that feels so current, more current than anything else, 407 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: and also invent auto tune or make auto tune popular 408 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: or whatever. But I'm saying she's invented I'm going to 409 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: say that she invented it. But she makes auto tune 410 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: something that people like Tea Pain and Kanye West would 411 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: make a big part of their music just a decade later. 412 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: You know, like, this is someone who was ahead of 413 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: the curve at you know, so many decades into her 414 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: career still and. 415 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: The beautiful moment where her voice takes on. Just to 416 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: be clear, this this wasn't a vocoders like. 417 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: The Yeah, it was the pitch correction. 418 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was such a crazy sound. 419 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and also just I mean lyrically too, 420 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: the song is so great. I mean, it's like one 421 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: of the great sort of hopeful, optimistic, kind of ephoric 422 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: dance songs. Do you believe in life after Love, incredible line, 423 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: gutting line, what a question and again, like especially in 424 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: the context of that year for Sharing, in the context 425 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: of the nineties, for Share, I mean, this was a 426 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: time when she was at a truly I mean there 427 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: were low points in her career and in her life, 428 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: but she truly was dealing with major health issues, was 429 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: truly dealing with kind of an uncertain future for some time, 430 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: and then lost someone who was, for you know, at 431 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: one point, the love of her life and so one 432 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: who she considered to be sort of a great love 433 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: in her life, even with sort of how fraught the 434 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: relationship was towards the end and at times, you know, 435 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: even in the beginning, but you know, to kind of 436 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: have a soil like that very lyrically that looks back 437 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: on that and feels so apt to that moment and 438 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: then has sort of this larger than life existence is 439 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: pretty remarkable and incredible. 440 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: And it's well, the autotune. It's not being used to 441 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: fix flaws in her performance. It's something that's very flaunted 442 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: and it's used as a musical hook. It's not used to, 443 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: you know, to hide anything about her voice. It's the 444 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: part when she sings when she comes to a really 445 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 2: emotional and self doubting and questioning part of the song 446 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: and that little flutter like it takes harm and Yeah, 447 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 2: and it's almost like a little vocal pirouette that is 448 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: like very like blatantly digital. It's a really kind of 449 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: strange moment in terms of like the vocal where it 450 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 2: becomes very artificial, very robotic for a second and just 451 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: makes it seem more human. It's really kind of an 452 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: astoundingly beautiful moment. It's not meant to be like hidden 453 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: or anything. It's very it expresses a part of this 454 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 2: song that is so perfectly suited to SHARE's voice by 455 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 2: just really kind of robotically freakishly altering it. 456 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the producer Mark Taylor talked about it and 457 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: how he just kind of wants to experiment with what 458 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: it would sound like on this song and see if 459 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: she was okay with it, and was kind of worried 460 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: that she wouldn't be okay with something that is and 461 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: had been known as pitch correction technology. And I mean 462 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: she ended up really loving what that did for this 463 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: song as well. And I mean that ended up being 464 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: something that would really change pop music and also again, 465 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: this became a Grammy Award winning. 466 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 3: Song for Share. 467 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: This became and still is one of the biggest hits 468 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: of her career, the biggest hit of her career, I 469 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: mean one of the top selling songs of her career, 470 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: and I mean really sat on a new path of 471 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: what we think of stars in their fifties, women in 472 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: their fifties, and like how we can not see that 473 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: as sort of like the end of their career. This 474 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: is a totally new beginning. Everything has happened since then 475 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: is remarkable. I mean, Chare only gets more popular every 476 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: single year. 477 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: She's had such. 478 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: A string of songs and even movies that have continued 479 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: to keep her, you know, just being one of the 480 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: most beloved figures in entertainment history. Great Twitter account, just 481 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: in a really truly remarkable Twitter account. 482 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: Future historians will remember Twitter only as this weird little 483 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: fad that happened during SHARE's timeline. Yeah, like the Share story, 484 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 2: Twitter will be a minor footnote to like something that 485 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 2: happened that chair made worthwhile. 486 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we are joining now by Rob Thomas, also known 487 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: as bright Light bright Light, who is a recording artist, producer, 488 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: and DJ. Thank you so much for joining us today 489 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: to talk about Believe and Share. 490 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 4: Well, it's not exactly a hoddship talking about this lady 491 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 4: or this song. 492 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,239 Speaker 5: So I'm thrilled to be here. Thanks for having me. 493 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering, do you remember the first time 494 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: you heard Share at all in your life? 495 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 4: I think Share is always been there. My parents were 496 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 4: sort of big music fans, and they listened to the Beatles, 497 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 4: and like you know, Share was and sort of mixtapes 498 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 4: with that. 499 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 5: She's just always on TV. 500 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 4: I was born in eighty two, so when I was 501 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 4: growing up, it was right in the peak of when 502 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 4: she had like film stardom, So I used to see 503 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 4: her in the background in like Moonstruck and which is 504 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 4: Vstwick and you know, all those films. But maybe like 505 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 4: the first time that I really paid attention to what 506 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 4: she was doing was sort of mid nineties with It's 507 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 4: a Man's World Record. And then when this song came out, 508 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 4: I ran to Woolworth's in Neath, which is my hometown, 509 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 4: to buy this on CD single. 510 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 5: So she's always been like a presence in my life. 511 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, what was it like to kind of hear this 512 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: pivot that Share had taken and also to then see 513 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: it blow up and kind of give her this how 514 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: room lives by that point, like or. 515 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 4: It was wild to see that, unlike the other songs 516 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 4: that I had heard of hers, everyone was talking about 517 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 4: the song. Everyone in school was talking about it, like 518 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 4: straight kids, weird kids, bullies and like you know, the 519 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: popular kids. They were all talking about Believe and everyone 520 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 4: was playing it and you could hear it everywhere. It 521 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 4: was the first time I think I'd heard this sort 522 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 4: of like completely all engulfing wave around one artist who 523 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 4: everyone already knew and a song that everyone just loved. 524 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 4: It was really amazing, I thought, because like I loved 525 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 4: like the Junior Vasquez remix of one by One, which 526 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 4: is you know, it's a man's world record, but that 527 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: wasn't really. 528 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 5: Like a hit. 529 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 4: So I'd heard her in a dance well before. By 530 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: hearing her in this, I think a very British centric 531 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 4: sound because of Brian Higgins, and it sounded like you 532 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 4: were in a British gay club, That's all it sounded like. 533 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 5: To me. 534 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 4: I think it was like helped by the popularity of 535 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 4: like queer as Folk, which was out for us in 536 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 4: like ninety seven ninety eight, I think, and people were 537 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 4: listening to like really gay music. You know, we had 538 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: like Gena Ge and we had Spice Girls and all 539 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 4: these things which are just like so camp that Share 540 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 4: released this anthem that just sounded like a British gay anthem. Yeah, 541 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 4: and it was like just amazing and just fabulous. 542 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: You know. 543 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: I always think so much about like where the nineties 544 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: started to like where the nineties ended up, especially kind 545 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: of like thinking about the popularity of like grunge and 546 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: like pop punk and all, and like you know to 547 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: the moving to the sound of like europop and like 548 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: the very kind of believe and like house music that 549 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: we would. 550 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 3: End up with by the end of the nineties. 551 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it was a fabulous thing for me. I 552 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 4: think it just made everybody on the same page for 553 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 4: a moment in British pop culture, and everyone loved it. 554 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 4: And you'd hear it in like coffee shops and clubs, 555 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 4: straight and gay clubs, and you would just hear it 556 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 4: on the radio everywhere and then like shopping centers, and 557 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 4: it felt like just so wild to see like one 558 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 4: song was literally everywhere, especially for like a heritage artist 559 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 4: quote unquote who traditionally like younger kids wouldn't gravitate towards 560 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 4: in terms of like buying like a new single or 561 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 4: being like, that's the cool new song. It was really 562 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 4: special and we've seen it happen a couple times since, 563 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 4: but to see somebody of that caliber at that stage 564 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 4: in their career have a number one hit pretty much 565 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 4: worldwide was just amazing. 566 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well because sometimes when a song turns out 567 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: to be immortal, it's a surprise that it lasts a long. 568 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: Believe was a song that hearing it then you instantly 569 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: knew it was a song that it was going to 570 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: be with us forever. It's really a tone with song. 571 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a shame that she hates it. It's a 572 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 4: real shame that she hates it. It's well documented. I 573 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 4: don't know if you've read that interview where somebody says, like, 574 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 4: what was it like when Believe was everywhere? 575 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 5: And she says it was a nightmare. 576 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 4: It's just just the opposite of what you imagine someone 577 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 4: having a worldwide number one to be. And I really 578 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 4: hope that she's got a place in her heart for 579 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 4: it now because it is so special to so many people. 580 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 4: And we were just saying off camera that when I 581 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 4: DJ a lot. Almost every time that I DJ, somebody 582 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 4: requests the song and it's a very mixed bag about 583 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 4: what or age or demographic they are. That it doesn't 584 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 4: really seem to matter. Everyone still loves dancing to the song. 585 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 4: And when you play it and you hear the first. 586 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 5: Love love, people like ah ha. 587 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 4: It's like, you know, people just like melt into like 588 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 4: it's like ephemeral things and they just they can't cope 589 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 4: with how they go feral as wild. 590 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: Do you remember the first time you ever danced to 591 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 3: in a club? 592 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 5: Yeah? 593 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 4: I did go out a little bit underage, and I 594 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 4: remember this being played in H two O, which is 595 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 4: the gay club that we had in Swansea. I say 596 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 4: gay club, not LGBTQ plus space because it was back 597 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 4: then called the gay club. So just to backdate myself 598 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 4: and how old I actually am, and I remember we 599 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 4: had like three floors in that club. Downstairs was like 600 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 4: a bar which closed at eleven. Then there was like 601 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 4: a kind of pseudo bar restaurant in the middle, which 602 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 4: was a weird choice, and then upstairs would be the 603 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 4: big dance floor and you would hear it systematically on 604 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 4: each floor. 605 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 5: You know, as you went from one to the other. 606 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 4: You would hear it like in every single space in 607 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 4: the bar until you've got to the dance floor, and 608 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 4: then it'd be played at least once or twice at night. 609 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 4: So that was the space I heard it, and everyone 610 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 4: was like drunk by the marina in Swansea, you know, 611 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 4: drinking like these awful Alco pops. I don't know if 612 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 4: you have those here, but like smiron off ice and 613 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 4: things like that, smone off ice in your hand, smoke 614 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 4: machine is on. You just hear Share and everyone's just 615 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 4: like going absolutely crazy, and it was just such a 616 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 4: specific sound and such a specific moment in time, and 617 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 4: all the stuff that Brian Higgins did since that it 618 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 4: is just iconic as well. But thinking about this is 619 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 4: like a really pivotal moment for him, for chef, for. 620 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 5: Like British pop culture, for like pop music. 621 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 4: I think really because it's sort of changed agism in 622 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 4: a way, which is really cool. And I think it 623 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 4: made people focus on the song, not necessarily what they 624 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 4: thought about the artist, and the song kind of came 625 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 4: first for a while. 626 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 5: It's really cool. 627 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all because Share, like you said, she'd already 628 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: built your legend in some was at that point it 629 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: didn't seem like she needed another iconic song, and yet 630 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: it really invented in your share. 631 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it really did. I think like the sort of 632 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 4: wiggery was just wonderful. It was really cool, I think 633 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 4: because she was even if she wasn't having that much 634 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 4: fun with it, she presented like she was having a 635 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 4: blast and it was really infectious. Like the artwork was 636 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 4: this like shimmery, kind of like chintzy. It's like kind 637 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 4: of like trashy and fabulous. So like if you have 638 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 4: like a cheap fabric that makes a dress that feels great. 639 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of like that. 640 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 4: So it was like a bit gaudy, a bit tasteless, 641 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 4: but also fabulous and so cool and like you just 642 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 4: wanted to be part of it. The wigs were just 643 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 4: so cool and so fun, and she looked amazing and 644 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 4: everyone was like. 645 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 5: How could she possibly be that age? 646 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 4: She sounds amazing on this record, Like the voice is 647 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 4: just wild, it's perfect, it's perfect for this the song, 648 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 4: the production is perfect. 649 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 5: The vocoder, which is just like weird thing to have. 650 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 5: I don't know whose. 651 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 4: Decision that was, but it was genius, you know, because 652 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 4: everyone was like doing it in school. 653 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 5: We'd be like really when we were in all lessons. 654 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 4: It had so many little hooks that really got itself 655 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 4: into pop culture, and it was inescapable for like a 656 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 4: really long time and is now, but like it was 657 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 4: in its peak for for months and months and months 658 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 4: and months and months. 659 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: I think, well, it speaks to everybody. I was at 660 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: a punk rock show last week Mannequin Pussy and at 661 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 2: the end they were trying to shew everybody out, but 662 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: that song came on and. 663 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 4: Ever left a room, No one ever will, no one 664 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 4: ever was so good. It's not even my favorite song 665 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 4: on that record, but it is just one of the 666 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 4: best pop songs or pop dance songs of all time. 667 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to hear more about that experience 668 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: of seeing a Share audience respawned to Share so many 669 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: times and kind of in across Europe on that tour, Like, 670 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: what was that. 671 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: Like for you? 672 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 4: It was really wild. So for anyone that doesn't know 673 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 4: I opened for Share on too, I didn't nine. I 674 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 4: was with her, which I never thought. 675 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 5: I would do. 676 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 4: And it's the craziest sentence to say, but I toured 677 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 4: with her around Europe. I'd already seen the show in Brooklyn. 678 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 4: I bought tickets for that before I even thought that 679 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 4: I would get a look in to be the opening act. 680 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 4: So I'd seen the show from you know, the cheap 681 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 4: seats because I'm a bit of a cheap queen, and 682 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 4: it's just so much fun. And we were watching it 683 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,479 Speaker 4: and you know, the video montages of like her movie career, 684 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 4: all of the tracks, even from this album, like strong 685 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 4: Enough and All Enoughing, which we're in the set list, 686 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 4: have just such an amazing reaction from the people. But 687 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 4: then when believe it was like the encore track, you know, 688 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 4: you just feel the room everyone just sort of like 689 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 4: starts lifting out of their seats and going into space 690 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 4: because it really is such an amazing song. And she 691 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 4: has hits from every decade, you know, and she has 692 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 4: fans from every conceivable living age bracket, which is really 693 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 4: amazing as well, and they all have their favorites from 694 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 4: different parts of her life. But there's really no denying that, 695 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 4: like this particular song is the moment where everyone is 696 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 4: like tens across the board. 697 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, amazing to watch him. 698 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining us. I'm sure 699 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: that's us could talk about share for the next several days. 700 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: Thanks thanks so much for listening to Rolling Stone's five 701 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: hundred Greatest Songs. This podcast is brought to you by 702 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone and iHeartMedia Rinnan Hosted by Me, Britney Spannis 703 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: and Rob Sheffield. Executive produced by Gus Winner, Jason Fine, 704 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: Alex Dale and Christian Horde, and produced by Jesse Cannon, 705 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: with music supervision by Eric Seiler.