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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I think exactly where she lived that stated

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Speaker 1: as you said earlier, when there is an amount of

428
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: bragging to it, I thought of everything, Here's what I thought,

429
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: here's what I did. What's missing And by the way,

430
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: this is all going to come out of the sentencing

431
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: hearing in terms of what is this case deserve? Well,

432
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: what's missing so far that is everybody's gonna want to

433
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: know is why, What was the purpose of going through

434
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: all of this? Why was he looking for somebody to abduct?

435
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: Why did you select Jamie? It is that kind of

436
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: detail that we're still going to learn. But you're right,

437
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: the issue isn't a who'd done it, but a why

438
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: why in the world with somebody abduct in such a

439
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: cold blooded fashion, as you've mentioned, such a beautiful young girl.

440
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: You know, interesting Ashley Wilcott. The number one motive for

441
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: stranger on child kidnap is sex motive. We know that

442
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: when he got her out of the trunk. And this

443
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: is by his words, not mine. The little girl was

444
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: so scared, she was crying and she had urinated all

445
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: over herself, and he told her to take to strip,

446
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: to take off her clothes, and he then later gave

447
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: her his sister's pajamas. There were no sex assault charges

448
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: in the indictment. However, I did notice at the end

449
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: of court, while he was being ordered to stay away

450
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: from the witnesses and have no contact of any kind

451
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: with them, DNA was ordered. A DNA sample was ordered

452
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: taken from him. What does that mean to you, Ashley

453
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: will cut so Nancy in terms of the DNA. The

454
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: reason they also I believe, are ordering or requesting and

455
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: getting a for DNA is because, look, Frankly, who knows

456
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: what legal maneuvers he's going to make. Once he has

457
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: an attorney. They may argue that his confession is inadmissible,

458
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: and there are lots of reasons that argument has valid

459
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: constitutional rights involved that that could happen. So they've got

460
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: to continue to gather all of the evidence so that

461
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: if there's any reason his confession is thrown out, they

462
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: can still prove the case, Yes, he's confessed to a

463
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: lot of details of what he did, but that doesn't

464
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: mean that he did not sexually assaulter. It means he

465
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: did not admit that he did that, and so you

466
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: have to cover your basis. We don't know what statement

467
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: she's given to the police yet, who knows what she

468
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: said in the horrific experience that she had with this perpetrator.

469
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: So the DNA test maybe to shore up and determine

470
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: did he also sexually assaulter? We all pray not, but

471
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: no stone unturned to hold him responsible for every single

472
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: crime he committed. To doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, if

473
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: this was not a sex crime, then what was the

474
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: motivation of getting the girl, killing two people, being willing

475
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: to kill others to keep or what did they are

476
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: under the twin bed of your cabin Nancy. Some people

477
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: are just motivated by power and control. It doesn't always

478
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: include sex, although more often than not it does. But

479
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: this is a criminal on a whole nother level. This

480
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: is not someone who just gave into their impulses. But

481
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: this was someone who is cold, who is calculating, and

482
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: who made as many attempts as possible to conceal his

483
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: tracks you know. The ad District Attorney laid out many

484
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: reasons why Patterson is a flight risk. Take a listen

485
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: as we hear the argument in court regarding the bail

486
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: the five million dollar bail request. He indicated that if

487
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: he had been stopped by police, it was likely he

488
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: was going to shoot at police officers with the three

489
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: shotgun shells that he had remaining, kept the shotgun shell

490
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: inside of his house for two weeks in case the

491
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: police came. He remained in hiding after abducting Janey for

492
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: eighty eight days before he was apprehended, Your honor. All

493
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: of this indicates the defendant is a flight risk, a

494
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: danger to the public, and he is unlikely to further

495
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: return for further court proceedings without an exceedingly high cash bail.

496
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: The state asks the court to consider Section nine sixty

497
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: nine point zero one sub four. Proper considerations for the

498
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: court to consider and setting bail would include the number

499
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: and gravity of the offenses, the potential penalty the defendant faces,

500
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: and whether the alleged acts were violent in nature. All

501
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: of these factors weigh in favor of the state's requested bail.

502
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: Mister Wright, the State's recommendation regarding bail. State is asking

503
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: the court to set cash bail in the amount of

504
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: five million dollars. Mister Patterson has no ties to Barren County.

505
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: The allegations and the complaint are that he worked at

506
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: Saputo Cheese factory for two days. The only reason other

507
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: than that for being in Barren County was to kidnap Jamie.

508
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: State asks the court to look at the charges themselves.

509
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: He's charged with two counts, the first degree intentional homicide

510
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: maximum sentence on each of those counts life imprisonment, the

511
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: count of kidnapping forty years, the count of armed burglary

512
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,719
Speaker 1: fifteen years. The state asks you to consider the efforts

513
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: he took to conceal himself, as alleged in the criminal complaint,

514
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: The modifications that he made to his vehicle so that

515
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: police wouldn't find him, including stealing license plates on the

516
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: vehicle near Serona, putting him on his vehicle before he

517
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: went to the class residence so that if police did

518
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: see him, they would not be able to trace his

519
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: vehicle back to his plates, The fact that he disengaged

520
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: his dome light to make sure that no one would

521
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: be able to see him, enter or exit his vehicle,

522
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: fact that he purchased a mask, fact that he wiped

523
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: down shotgun hit the shotgun that was located at his house,

524
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: and the shells that were used to kill James and

525
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: Denise by his own words, so that no DNA or

526
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: fingerprints would be found. The fact that it is alleged

527
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: he shaved his face, all of his head hair and

528
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: showered before leaving for the Class home so no DNA

529
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: or fingerprints could be located. The fact that he turned

530
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: his engine off, headlights off to conceal his arrival at

531
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: the class home. The fact that he had made a

532
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: decision that he was going to shoot anyone inside that home,

533
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: including children, because he could not leave behind any eyewitnesses.

534
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: And let's follow that through to its logical end. Wendy Patrick,

535
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: no witnesses, has already killed the mom, The dad was

536
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: prepared to shoot whoever was in the home in order

537
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: to get Jamie. What about what was going to happen

538
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: when he got tired of her, when he got tired

539
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: of hiding her under the twin bed, and the mentality

540
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: of the wording he uses. Those neighbors were very right

541
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: to say get a gun because they knew this guy

542
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: had already killed two people to get Jamie. If he

543
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: found her when she escaped, wouldn't he killed them too,

544
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: And wouldn't he have ultimately killed Jamie class herself? Wendy, Oh, absolutely, Nancy.

545
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: You know this case is something on so many different

546
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: levels that Jess goes to show why we take the

547
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: kind of precautions we do, why we talk to our

548
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: children about how dangerous strangers can be, and why we

549
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: try to be as perceptive as we can. God bless

550
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: that police officer that saw all the detail that he did.

551
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: If everybody behaved that way, perhaps we would have seen

552
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: something earlier. For example, sometimes you do see the same

553
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: car seemed to be casing a house. Many perceptive neighbors

554
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: noticed this, so you had a lot of red flags here.

555
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: And by his own admission, he's teaching us what to

556
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: look for, because you're right that some people will just

557
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: do away with anybody that could possibly be a witness

558
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: in court. Thank goodness, we have the result of the

559
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: forensic tests and to be able to prove these types

560
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: of core Whinny, do you believe that there will be

561
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: additional charges? Do you think that is why they ordered

562
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: a DNA sample taken from him. Well, that's one of

563
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: the reasons. But you're also correct and that Jamie's going

564
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: to be interviewed and there haven't been any indication of

565
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: sexual assault, but once she's interviewed, they will take what

566
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: she says into consideration. Absolutely. I mean, the prosecutor was

567
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: clear they could be other charges forthcoming, and that wouldn't

568
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: be unusual in a case like this where investigation is continuing,

569
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: and to forensics expert out of the forty jurisdation, Karen Smith,

570
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: Karen sure they could have gotten his DNA from items

571
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: at the cabin, but then you would have had to

572
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: prove that was his toothbrush or his hairbrush. Doing it

573
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: pursuing to a warrant where you have a witness see

574
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: has blood drawn and take that vial of blood to

575
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: the crime web. There's no question in chain of custody.

576
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: Why do you believe they asked for a DNA at

577
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: this juncture. Well, there's a couple of reasons. The first

578
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: that you've already discussed with the possibility of sexual assault.

579
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: The other is that you know he says he wiped

580
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: down the shellcasing the shotgun shells and he wiped down

581
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: the gun. I'll tell you what. They're a thing called

582
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: secondary transfer of DNA. And even if you wear gloves,

583
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: we all touch our face, we all scratch, we all,

584
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, touch various parts of our bare skin. And

585
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: if he did that and then he secondarily transferred that

586
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: back onto the shotgun shells or back onto the shotgun,

587
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: there you go. It's another reason that they want to

588
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: have that for comparative analysis later on to ask you. Wilcott,

589
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: juvenile judge and lawyer. You can find her at Ashley

590
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: Wilcot dot com. Ashley. A trickle of photos are being

591
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: released of Jamie and she's always smiling and all of

592
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: these photos, you know, that doesn't mean a thing to me.

593
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: I mean, my twins have smiled at a camera since

594
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: they were eighteen months old. The fact that she's smiling

595
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: at the camera, that means nothing to me. Now it

596
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't mean anything because she's been traumatized by multiple events.

597
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: The fear of somebody coming into the house, recognizing her

598
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: father's been shot and then killed, seeing her mother get killed,

599
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: being put in a trunk, not knowing where she's going, etc. Etc.

600
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: All of these individual traumatic events affect her brain necessarily,

601
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: and so she is not only undergoing the trauma of

602
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: what she's seen, her brain's been affected by it. She

603
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: is going to need a lot to recover from this,

604
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: and she's always going to have these horrible experiences. So

605
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: smiling at the camera doesn't mean anything about how someone's

606
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: doing on the inside. He has destroyed a thirteen year old.

607
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: She will no longer feel like a thirteen year old

608
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: because of what he's done to her too, Doctor Daniel

609
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: Bober Reynow, forensic psychiatrist. Doctor Bober, you know people make

610
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: light of memory laws surrounding traumatic events, but I can

611
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: personally state that it is true to this day. They're

612
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: big chunks of time before and after my Fianc's martyr.

613
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: I can't recall at all. When I ever see a

614
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: high school classman, I'm like, what happened in high school?

615
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: Or a college film, what happened that freshman year? In

616
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: that sophomore year. I just I can't remember, doctor Bober.

617
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: She said the moment she ran into Jeane Nutter, the

618
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: retired social worker, in the street, she said, I've been kidnapped.

619
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: This guy killed both my parents. I want to go home.

620
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: She can never go home because the home she remembers

621
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore. Her parents are not there, they will

622
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: never be there. Her way of life is over, It's gone,

623
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: can never be reconstructed. What does this do to a

624
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: child of her age? Doctor bober Well, Nancy, we talked

625
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: about fight flight or freeze, and there's chemicals in the

626
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: brain that are released, like cortisol and adrenaline, which altered

627
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: the way memories restored. So very often people will have

628
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: no memory of the event, and it's sort of the

629
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: mind's way of protecting itself from the intensity and the

630
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: severity of the trauma. But over time, there may be

631
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: things in the environment that you experienced that triggered these

632
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: memories and caused them to bubble up to the surface.

633
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: To Ellen, joining me from La, what can you tell

634
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: me about this guy's older brother that shared that cabin

635
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: with Patterson after their parents split until the time the

636
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: older brother moved away. What do we know about this

637
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: older brother and what influence he may have had on Patterson. Well,

638
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: we do know that after the divorce, when I believe

639
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: Patterson was about ten years old, the kids were still together.

640
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: This was before they went to foster care, and the

641
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: older brother was arrested and convicted on a fourth degree

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Speaker 1: sexual assault charge. And whether his younger brother saw or

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Speaker 1: knew much about that, we don't know, but that is

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Speaker 1: an indication that he was exposed to something. Alan, You're right.

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Speaker 1: Court records show no previous criminal history for Jake Patterson himself,

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Speaker 1: but their brother, the older brother, his Facebook page says

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Speaker 1: he's moved to Colorado and did work at a subway,

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Speaker 1: does have a criminal history for fourth degree sex assault.

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Speaker 1: Wis cousin. Court records show that the brother had apparently

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Speaker 1: met up or found a girl, a minor girl in

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Speaker 1: a different town. Drove from Gordon to Buffalo City, nearly

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Speaker 1: three hours away to meet a fifteen year old girl

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Speaker 1: to have relations with her. They met online. He had

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Speaker 1: maps closed a police scanner in his car at the time,

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Speaker 1: and he actually was convicted on that on a lesser charge.

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Speaker 1: What if any effect did that have on Jake Patterson.

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Speaker 1: The crimes startlingly similar but yet very different. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime story signing off goodbye friend,