WEBVTT - TechStuff Looks Inside the Black Box

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Text Stuff, a production from my Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech and today I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was a good time to take another opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>chat about one of the subjects. I really hammer her

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<v Speaker 1>home in this series, and I don't make any apologies

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<v Speaker 1>for this. It is not about convergence though long time

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<v Speaker 1>listeners of tech Stuff know that for years that was

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite trend to cover. It's about critical thinking. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is another critical thinking in Technology episode. Now. In

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<v Speaker 1>these episodes, I explain how taking time and really thinking

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<v Speaker 1>through things is important so that we make the most

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<v Speaker 1>informed decisions we can and so that we aren't either

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<v Speaker 1>fooling ourselves or you know, allowing someone else to fool

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<v Speaker 1>us when it comes to technology. Though, I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>a secret, using these skills in all parts of your

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<v Speaker 1>life is a great idea because it can be really

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<v Speaker 1>easy for us to fall into patterns where we let

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves believe things just because it's convenient or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it reaffirms our biases are prejudices, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you use critical thinking beyond the realm of technology.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't gonna be mad. Specifically, I wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a general category of issues in tech that some

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<v Speaker 1>refer to as the black box problem. Now, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not the same thing as the black box that's on

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<v Speaker 1>board your typical airplane. In fact, i'll explain what that

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<v Speaker 1>is first because it's pretty simple, and then we can

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<v Speaker 1>move on. First, the black box inside airplanes is typically orange.

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<v Speaker 1>So right off the bat, we have a problem with nomenclature, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you had one job black box. Actually that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's not true. The black box has a very important

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<v Speaker 1>job and it requires a couple of things to work.

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<v Speaker 1>But the black box, which is orange, is all about

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<v Speaker 1>maintaining a record of an aircraft's activities in a housing

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<v Speaker 1>capable of withstanding tremendous punishment. Another name, or a a

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<v Speaker 1>more appropriate name really for this device, for the black box,

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<v Speaker 1>is the flight data recorder. Sensors in various parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the plane detect changes and then send data to the

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<v Speaker 1>flight data recorder, which you know, records them. If a

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<v Speaker 1>pilot makes any adjustments to any controls, whether it's the

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<v Speaker 1>flight stick or a knob or a button or a

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<v Speaker 1>switch or whatever. The control not only does whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>was intended to do, assuming everything's in working order, but

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<v Speaker 1>it also sends us signal that is recorded on the

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<v Speaker 1>flight recorder. So the job of the flight recorder is

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<v Speaker 1>to create as accurate a representation of what went on

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<v Speaker 1>with that aircraft as is possible. The Federal Aviation Administration

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<v Speaker 1>or f a A in the United States has a

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<v Speaker 1>long list of parameters that the flight recorder is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to keep track of, more than eighty in fact, and

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<v Speaker 1>these include not just the aircraft systems, but what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on in the environment. So if a pilot encounters

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<v Speaker 1>a problem on a flight, or in a worst case scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>in the event of a crash, the flight recorder represents

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to find out what actually went wrong. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>was it a malfunction, was it pilot error, was it

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<v Speaker 1>whether the crash survivable? Memory units inside the heavy duty

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<v Speaker 1>casing of the black box are really meant to act

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<v Speaker 1>as a lasting record, So if the recorder is recoverable,

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<v Speaker 1>it gives investigators a chance to find out what happened. But,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, that's not the black box I really

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about for today's episode, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to go into any more detail about that. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you could argue that the black box I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about is sort of the opposite of what we

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<v Speaker 1>find in airplanes, because in an airplane, the black box

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<v Speaker 1>contains a record of everything that has gone on, and

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<v Speaker 1>it can help explain why a certain outcome has happened.

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<v Speaker 1>In technology in general, we use the term black box

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<v Speaker 1>to refer to a system or technology where we know

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<v Speaker 1>what goes into it and we can see what comes

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<v Speaker 1>out of it, but we have no idea of what

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<v Speaker 1>went on in the middle of that process. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a way to understand the process by which the

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<v Speaker 1>device takes input and produces output. Now, in most cases,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not talking about an instance where literally nobody understands

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on with a device or a system. It's

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<v Speaker 1>more like the creators of whatever system we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>have purposefully made it difficult or impossible for the average

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<v Speaker 1>person to understand or in some cases, even see what

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<v Speaker 1>a technology is doing. Sometimes it's intentional, sometimes it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>So Maybe purposefully is being a little strong there, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's often how it unfolds. Let's take a general example

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<v Speaker 1>that has created issues with a particular subsection of tech heads,

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<v Speaker 1>and those would be the gear heads, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>people who love to work on vehicles like motorcycles and

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<v Speaker 1>cars and trucks and stuff, and what you might think

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<v Speaker 1>of as the good old days, at least from the

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<v Speaker 1>perspective of d I Y technology. There's plenty of other

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<v Speaker 1>things that were wrong back then, but in those terms,

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<v Speaker 1>the cars systems were pretty darn accessible. The motorist would

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<v Speaker 1>need to spend time and effort to learn how the

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<v Speaker 1>car worked and what each component was meant to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was actually in a evable goal. So with

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of study and some hands on work, you

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<v Speaker 1>could suss out how an engine works. You know, how

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<v Speaker 1>spark plugs cause a little explosion by igniting a mixture

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<v Speaker 1>of fuel and air inside an engine's cylinders, How that

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<v Speaker 1>explosion would force out a piston which connects to a

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<v Speaker 1>crank shaft, and how that reciprocating motion of the piston

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<v Speaker 1>would translate into rotational motion of the crank shaft that

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<v Speaker 1>could then be transmitted ultimately to wheels. Through transmission, you

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<v Speaker 1>could learn what the carburetor does, how the various fans

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<v Speaker 1>and belts work, and what they do you know where

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<v Speaker 1>the oil pan is and how to change out oil

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<v Speaker 1>and all that kind of stuff. What's more, you can

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<v Speaker 1>make repairs yourself. If you had the tools, the replacement parts,

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<v Speaker 1>and the knowledge and the time you could swap out parts.

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<v Speaker 1>You could customize your vehicle. You know, I've known a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people who have taken on cars as projects.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll purchase an old junker and then they will lovingly

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<v Speaker 1>restore it to its former glory or turn it into

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<v Speaker 1>something truly transformational. And all of that is possible because

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<v Speaker 1>those old cars had really accessible systems. They were relatively

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<v Speaker 1>simple electro mechanical systems. Once you understood how they worked,

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<v Speaker 1>you could see how they worked or how they were

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to work, and you could understand what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Through that understanding, you could address stuff when things weren't

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<v Speaker 1>going well. And that's how cars were for decades. But

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<v Speaker 1>that began to change in the late nineteen sixties. But

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<v Speaker 1>it really accelerated. Uh No, pun intended in the nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened well in nineteen sixty eight, leading into

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, Volkswagen introduced a new standard feature for

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<v Speaker 1>their Type three vehicle, which was sometimes called the Volkswagen

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred or sixteen hundred. There are a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>names for it. These were family cars, and volkswagen Is

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<v Speaker 1>intent was to create a vehicle with a bit more

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<v Speaker 1>luggage and passenger space than their type one, which was

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<v Speaker 1>also known as the Volkswagen Beetle. The feature for these

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<v Speaker 1>cars that I wanted to talk about was an electronic

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<v Speaker 1>fuel injection system that was controlled by a computer chip,

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<v Speaker 1>and the marketing for the this particular feature said that

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<v Speaker 1>this quote electronic brain end quote was quote smarter than

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<v Speaker 1>a carburetor end quote. Now, the purpose of a carburetor

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<v Speaker 1>is to mix fuel with air at a ratio that

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<v Speaker 1>is suitable for combustion inside the engine cylinders. But an

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<v Speaker 1>engine doesn't need exactly the same ratio of fuel to

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<v Speaker 1>air from moment to moment. It actually varies. As a

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle runs longer, or it travels faster, or it starts

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<v Speaker 1>climbing a steep hill, or you know, lots of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>the ratio changes somewhat, and the carburetor manages this with

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of valves, one called the choke, another called

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<v Speaker 1>the throttle, among other elements. But it's all mechanical and

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<v Speaker 1>while it works, it's not as precise as an electronic

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<v Speaker 1>system could be. And that's where the Volkswagen system came in.

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<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen was pushing this as a more efficient and useful

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<v Speaker 1>component than a carburetor. It would prevent the engine from

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<v Speaker 1>being flooded with fuel and not enough air for combustion.

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<v Speaker 1>It would handle the transitions of fuel and air mix

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<v Speaker 1>ratios more quickly and precisely. It was the start of

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<v Speaker 1>something big, but were it not for some other external factors,

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<v Speaker 1>it might not have taken off the way it did,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least not as quickly as it did. Those

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<v Speaker 1>other factors, as I said, were external, and there were

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of doozies. One was a growing concern that

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<v Speaker 1>burning fossil fuels was having a negative impact on the environment,

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<v Speaker 1>which turned out to be absolutely the case. Cities like

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, California, where getting around pretty much re buyers

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<v Speaker 1>having a car, we're dealing with some really serious smog problems,

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<v Speaker 1>and so organizations like the Environmental Protection Agency in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States began to draft requirements to reduce car emissions.

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<v Speaker 1>That would mean that automotive companies would have to create

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<v Speaker 1>more efficient engine systems. The other major factor that contributed

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<v Speaker 1>to this was the oil crisis of the nineties seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>which I talked about not long ago in a different

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<v Speaker 1>Tech Stuff podcast. This was a geopolitical problem that threw

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<v Speaker 1>much of the world into a scramble to curb fossil

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<v Speaker 1>fuel consumption because the supply was limited. The double whammy

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<v Speaker 1>of environmental concerns and the oil crisis forced a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of car companies to rethink their previous strategy, which was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much more power, make bigger, much fast, go go, go,

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<v Speaker 1>go guzzle. That kind of is how they were thinking

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day. Turns out that was an unsustainable option.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you look back, especially at American cars during

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<v Speaker 1>the fifties and sixties, you see that trend of the

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<v Speaker 1>engines getting bigger and more powerful, and that was just

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<v Speaker 1>the way things were going until we started to see

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<v Speaker 1>these external changes come in, and so more car companies

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<v Speaker 1>began to incorporate computer controlled fuel injection systems. But this

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<v Speaker 1>move also marked a move away from the design that

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<v Speaker 1>made it, you know, harder for the d I Y

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<v Speaker 1>crowd to work on cars. Working on a damaged carburetor

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<v Speaker 1>was one thing. Dealing with a malfunctioning computer chip was another.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't fall into the typical skill set of your

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<v Speaker 1>amateur mechanic. And of course we didn't stop at computer

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<v Speaker 1>controlled fuel injection systems. Over time, we saw a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more automotive systems make the transition to computer control. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>your average car has computer systems that control the engine

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<v Speaker 1>and the transmission, the doors, entertainment system, the windows, and

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<v Speaker 1>these systems are all individual and they have a name.

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<v Speaker 1>They're called electronic control units or e c USE. Collectively,

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<v Speaker 1>they form the controller area network or can c a N.

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<v Speaker 1>The connections themselves, the physical connections are called the can

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<v Speaker 1>bus b US, and that's really just a way of

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<v Speaker 1>saying these are the physical connectors that allow data to

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<v Speaker 1>pass from one e c U to another. And there

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't really like a central processing unit or anything. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no like central brain. It was more like ec

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<v Speaker 1>use that depend upon one another would send relevant information

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<v Speaker 1>to each other and not to anything else. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if the door sensor is showing a door is open,

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<v Speaker 1>it can send an alert to other systems so that

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<v Speaker 1>that information is is appropriately dealt with. Now, at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time that these individual systems were evolving, so too

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<v Speaker 1>we saw the rise of what would become the onboard

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<v Speaker 1>diagnostic system or o b D, and the o b

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<v Speaker 1>D keeps an eye on what's going on with the

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<v Speaker 1>various systems in the car, and it sends notifications to

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<v Speaker 1>the driver via dashboard indicators when something is outside normal

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<v Speaker 1>operating parameters. So let's say that this diagnosis computer picks

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<v Speaker 1>up that there's something hinky happening with the fuel air

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<v Speaker 1>mixture and it activates that pesky check engine light on

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<v Speaker 1>the dashboard that gives you next to no useful information.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is that these days it can be challenging

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<v Speaker 1>or sometimes impossible to figure out exactly what caused that

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<v Speaker 1>check engine light to come on without the access to

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<v Speaker 1>some special equipment and expertise. The car systems have become

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<v Speaker 1>so sophisticated that it could be a challenge to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what exactly has gone awry. Mechanics use devices called

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<v Speaker 1>O b D scan tools, and these tools connect to

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<v Speaker 1>the computer on board a car, and then the car

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<v Speaker 1>provides a an error code to the scanner. This, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, took a long time to standardize because you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of different car companies out there, and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there was a need to move towards standardization so

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<v Speaker 1>that you didn't have to have fifty different scan tools

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty different code charts to deal with all the

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<v Speaker 1>different car companies. But the code corresponds to the specific

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<v Speaker 1>issue the O B D has detected. So not only

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<v Speaker 1>do you need a special piece of equipment to diagnose

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<v Speaker 1>what has gone wrong with the car, you also need

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<v Speaker 1>to know the codes, or else you haven't really learned anything.

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<v Speaker 1>If I get you know, a eight digit code, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that code refers to, then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not really any better off than just looking at a

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<v Speaker 1>check engine light. On top of all of that, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you know what is wrong, you might not be

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<v Speaker 1>able to easily access the problem or fix it due

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<v Speaker 1>to the level of complexity, sophistication, and computerization of vehicles.

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<v Speaker 1>Not all cars, or motorcycles or or whatever are equal. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>some are a bit easier to work on than others.

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<v Speaker 1>Some require a lot of specific care though. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're driving a Tesla, chances are the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>personal tinkering you're going to do on your car is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be fairly limited. Now I'm not saying it's impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>just that it's really challenging. So in general, we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>cars go from a mechanical system or electro mechanical system

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<v Speaker 1>that the average person can understand and work on, to

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<v Speaker 1>a group of interconnected, specialized computer systems that are increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to access. The cars have become a type of

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<v Speaker 1>black box. This can be extra frustrating for gear heads

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<v Speaker 1>who have actually an understanding of underlying mechanical issues that

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<v Speaker 1>could cause problems. They might even know how to solve

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<v Speaker 1>an issue if they can just get to it, but

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<v Speaker 1>they are finding themselves with fewer options in order to

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<v Speaker 1>address underlying issues. Now, cars are just one example of

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<v Speaker 1>technologies that have moved toward a black box like system.

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<v Speaker 1>There are lots of others. But apart from making it

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<v Speaker 1>harder to tinker with your tech, what's the problem. But

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back, I'll talk about some of the

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<v Speaker 1>pitfalls of turning tech into a black box. But first

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break. We're back. So the car

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<v Speaker 1>transformed from a purely electro mechanical technology to one that

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly relies on computer systems. But the computer itself can

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<v Speaker 1>also be something of a black box for people none

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<v Speaker 1>the very early days of the personal computer. It was

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<v Speaker 1>hobbyists who were ordering kits through the mail and then

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<v Speaker 1>building computers at home. Typically, these hobbyists had a working

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of how the computer systems operated, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>actual way in which they would accept inputs and process

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<v Speaker 1>information and then produce outputs. Before high level programming languages,

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<v Speaker 1>programmers also had to kind of think like a computer

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<v Speaker 1>in order to program them to carry out functions. As

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<v Speaker 1>computer languages became more high level, meaning there was a

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<v Speaker 1>layer of abstraction between the programmer and the actual processes

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<v Speaker 1>that were going on at the hardware level of the computer,

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<v Speaker 1>that connection began to get more tenuous. Now, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying that programmers today don't have a real understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>how computers work, but rather that this understanding is less

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<v Speaker 1>critical because programming languages, computer engines, app developer kits you know,

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<v Speaker 1>software developer kits and so on, provide a framework that

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<v Speaker 1>reduces the amount of low level work programmers need to

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<v Speaker 1>do in order to build stuff as software. For the

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<v Speaker 1>average user, you know, someone who isn't learned in the

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<v Speaker 1>ways of computer science, computers are pretty much black boxes.

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<v Speaker 1>They work until they don't. You push buttons on a keyboard,

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<v Speaker 1>or you click on a mouse, or you touch a screen,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the computer does the stuff how it

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<v Speaker 1>does stuff like how it detects a screen touch and

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<v Speaker 1>then translates that into a command that is then executed

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<v Speaker 1>to produce a specific result. You know, that's not important

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<v Speaker 1>to us. We don't care or need to know how

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<v Speaker 1>that works in order to enjoy the benefits of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So for us, it's just the way things are. You

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<v Speaker 1>push that button and this thing happens. It just does.

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<v Speaker 1>The black box of the computer system, which can be

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<v Speaker 1>a desktop, a laptop, tab, smartphone, video game console, you

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<v Speaker 1>know whatever. It just takes care of what we needed

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<v Speaker 1>to do. That's not to say a computer is impenetrably

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<v Speaker 1>a black box. You can learn how they work, and

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<v Speaker 1>how programming languages work and so on. Computer science and

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<v Speaker 1>programming classes are all built around that. So while a

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<v Speaker 1>computer system is effectively a black box to the average user,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't made that way by design, and it can

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<v Speaker 1>be addressed on a case by case basis, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>the time, the interest of the individual computer user, and

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<v Speaker 1>their dedication to learning. But sometimes people will set out

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<v Speaker 1>to make technologies with the intent of them being black

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<v Speaker 1>boxes from the get go. These technologies are dependent in

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<v Speaker 1>part or in whole on of view skating how they work,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, by obscuring it. Sometimes that's in an

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<v Speaker 1>effort to protect an invention from copycats, the whole idea

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<v Speaker 1>being that if you come up with something really clever,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want someone else to come along, lift that

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<v Speaker 1>idea and do the same thing you are doing, but

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<v Speaker 1>selling it for you know, less money or something. But

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<v Speaker 1>other times you might be hiding how something works, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>with the intent to deceive. And now it's time to

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<v Speaker 1>look much further back than the nineteen sixties. It was

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen seventy in Europe. As the story goes, the European

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<v Speaker 1>world had seen a great deal of advancement in mechanical

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<v Speaker 1>clockwork devices. At that point. Clocks themselves, often powered by

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<v Speaker 1>winding a spring and keeping time using gears with a

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<v Speaker 1>reliable and consistent basis that was much better than earlier methods.

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<v Speaker 1>Even allowed people the ability to carry a time keeping

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<v Speaker 1>device with them. Phenomenal Based on similar principles, various tinkerers

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<v Speaker 1>had come up with toys and distractions that also ran

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<v Speaker 1>on clockwork, like gears and springs. Some of these were

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<v Speaker 1>quite elaborate, such as figures that appeared to play musical instruments,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them was particularly impressive. It appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be an automaton that could play expert level chess. The figure,

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<v Speaker 1>made out of wood, was dressed in Turkish costume, leading

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<v Speaker 1>to it being called the Turk, or sometimes the mechanical Turk.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were to sit down to play against the Turk,

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<v Speaker 1>you as an opponent, would move a piece and then

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<v Speaker 1>you would watch as this mechanical figure would shift and

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<v Speaker 1>move a piece of its own in response. And the

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<v Speaker 1>Turk was a pretty good chess player. It frequently beat

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<v Speaker 1>the opponents at face. Sometimes it would lose to particularly

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<v Speaker 1>strong players, but it held its own pretty darn well.

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<v Speaker 1>The man behind this invention was Wolfgang Fawn Kimplin, who

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<v Speaker 1>was in the service of Maria Teresa, Empress of the

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Roman Empire. He had been invited to view a

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<v Speaker 1>magician's performance in the court, so the story goes, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Empress had invited him specifically and afterwards asked him

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<v Speaker 1>what he thought, and allegedly he boasted he could create

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<v Speaker 1>a much more compelling illusion than anything this magician did. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the story. The Empress essentially said, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll prove it buster, and he was given six months

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<v Speaker 1>to do just that. The turk was what he had

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<v Speaker 1>to show for it in six months time, and it

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<v Speaker 1>reportedly went over like gang Busters. The wooden turk stood

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<v Speaker 1>behind a cabinet, on top of which was the chessboard,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kimplin would reportedly open the cabinet doors and reveal

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<v Speaker 1>some gears and mechanics to prove that it was purely

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<v Speaker 1>a mechanical system. In fact, the gears were masking a

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<v Speaker 1>hidden compartment behind them, in which a human chess player

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting inside, hunched over, keeping track of a game,

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<v Speaker 1>using a smaller chessboard in front of them, and using

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<v Speaker 1>various levers to move the turk's limbs in response. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of folks suspected that something was up from

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<v Speaker 1>the get go, but you know, part of the fun

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<v Speaker 1>of a magic trick is just not knowing what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Some folks try very hard to figure out the process.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not one of them. Others are just happy

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<v Speaker 1>to be entertained by a very well performed trick. But

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<v Speaker 1>in a way, the turk was a kind of black box.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, you could argue that a lot of magic

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<v Speaker 1>tricks pretty much fall into the black box category. The

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<v Speaker 1>process is purposefully hidden from the viewer. If we could

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<v Speaker 1>see what the magician was doing from beginning to end,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way through and without any misdirection, then it

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<v Speaker 1>would and be magic. We might admire the skill of

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<v Speaker 1>the magician how quickly they were able to do things,

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<v Speaker 1>but we wouldn't really consider it magical. So the output

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<v Speaker 1>is dependent upon people not knowing the process the inputs

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<v Speaker 1>went through. Now that's not to say that you can

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate a really good magic trick even if you know

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<v Speaker 1>how it's done. One of the best examples I know

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<v Speaker 1>of is Penn and Teller. They did a phenomenal version

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<v Speaker 1>of the cups and balls routine where they used clear

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<v Speaker 1>plastic cups and balls of aluminum foil to demonstrate how

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<v Speaker 1>cups and balls works, and you can watch the entire

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<v Speaker 1>time and even being able to see through the cups

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<v Speaker 1>and see the moves they're being made, Teller does them

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<v Speaker 1>with such skill that it is truly phenomenal. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>hurt that Penn is spouting off a lot of nonsense

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time and misdirecting even as you're watching

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on, I highly recommend you check it out

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube. Look for pen and teller cups and balls.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't be disappointed. Now. The Turk, as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell, was always intended to be an entertainment,

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily something that was specifically meant to perpetuate some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of hoax. You wouldn't call a stage magician a

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<v Speaker 1>huckster or a con man or anything like that. Their

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<v Speaker 1>occupation is dependent upon misdirection and making impossible acts seem

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<v Speaker 1>like they really happened, but always or nearly always with

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<v Speaker 1>the implication that it's all an illusion or a trick

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<v Speaker 1>of some sort. But not everyone is quite so forthcoming

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that the thing they're doing is done

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<v Speaker 1>through trickery. For the scam artist, the black box creates

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible opportunity. As technological complexity outpaces the average person's understanding,

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<v Speaker 1>the scam artists can create fake adjets and devices that

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<v Speaker 1>they claim can do certain things and then count upon

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<v Speaker 1>the ignorance of the average person to get away with it. Typically,

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<v Speaker 1>the go to scam is to convince people with money

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<v Speaker 1>to pour investments into the hoax technology in an effort

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<v Speaker 1>to fund whatever the next phase of development is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be, whether that's to bring a prototype into a

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<v Speaker 1>production model or to refine a design or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>the end result is pretty much the same across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>The corn artist tries to wheedle out as much money

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<v Speaker 1>from their marks as they can before they pull up

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<v Speaker 1>stakes and skip town, or they find some way to

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<v Speaker 1>shift focus or punt any promises on delivering results further

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<v Speaker 1>into the future, like that's the future me problem kind

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<v Speaker 1>of approach. Once in a blue moon, you might find

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<v Speaker 1>someone who was just hoping to make enough time to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with a way to do their hopes for

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<v Speaker 1>real zes, or at least to simulate it close enough

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<v Speaker 1>so that people are satisfied. That typically doesn't work out

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<v Speaker 1>so well. M. Thoromness. I'll get back to that. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about some examples of outright scams that leaned

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<v Speaker 1>heavily on the black box concept, whether by having their

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<v Speaker 1>supposed and actual operating mechanisms hidden or by obscuring how

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<v Speaker 1>they really worked with a lot of nonsensical claims and

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<v Speaker 1>techno babble. One historical scam artist was a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Redheffer, who claimed to have built a perpetual motion machine.

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<v Speaker 1>If he had managed to do such a thing, it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been a true feat, as it would break

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<v Speaker 1>the laws of physics as we understand them. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>go over why that is just pretty quickly. For perpetual

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<v Speaker 1>motion to work, and thus for free energy in general

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<v Speaker 1>to work, a machine would need to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>operate with absolutely no energy loss, and for free energy,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have to generate that energy in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>A perpetual motion machine, once set into motion, would never

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<v Speaker 1>stop moving, you know, unless someone or something specifically intervened.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it were left to its own devices, it

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<v Speaker 1>would continue to do whatever it was doing until the

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<v Speaker 1>last syllable of recorded time. To borrow a phrase from

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<v Speaker 1>the Bard. Now, if we look at our understanding of thermodynamics,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see that doing this in the real world is impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least it would go against fundamental ways that

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<v Speaker 1>we understand regarding how our universe works. The first law

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<v Speaker 1>of thermodynamics says that energy is neither created nor destroyed.

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<v Speaker 1>Energy can, however, be converted from one form into another.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you hold a water balloon over the head

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<v Speaker 1>of a close personal friend, let's say it's Ben bowlen

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. They don't want you to know. The water

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<v Speaker 1>balloon has a certain amount of potential energy. If you

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<v Speaker 1>let go of the balloon, that potential energy converts into

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<v Speaker 1>kinetic energy, the energy of movement. You didn't create or

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>destroy energy here, it just changed forms. So if you

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>have what you claim to be a perpetual motion machine

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 1>and you set it in motion, the energy you gave

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>that machine and that initial point should sustain it forever

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 1>and it would never have that initial energy change form

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<v Speaker 1>into some other type of energy that could then escape

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 1>the system and show a net energy loss for the

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>system itself. Remember, the energy is not being destroyed, but

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>it can be lost in another form. This means that

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<v Speaker 1>such a machine could not have any parts that had

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<v Speaker 1>any contact with one another, which would make it a

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 1>really strange machine. And that's because friction would be a

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>constant means for energy to convert from one form to

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 1>another form, in this case kinetic energy, the energy of

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>movement into heat. Friction is the resistance surfaces have regarding

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 1>moving against each other. So if the machine has any

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>moving parts at all, those parts will be encountering friction,

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 1>which means some of that moving energy will be converted

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>to heat and thus escape the system. So the overall

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>system of the machine itself will have a net loss

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 1>of energy. There will be less energy to keep it going,

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>which means gradually it will slow down and ultimately just stop.

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 1>As a result, it might take a long time if

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:47.959
<v Speaker 1>the machine is particularly well designed, but it will eventually happen.

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>You would need some form of energy input to keep

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>things going on occasion, kind of like a little push.

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Imagine that you've got a a swing like a rope

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 1>with a higher at the end of it. No one's

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>in it right now. You would have to give that

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 1>tire a little push every now and then to keep

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>it swinging, otherwise it will eventually stop. But that means

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have a perpetual motion machine. There are other

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>factors that similarly make perpetual motion impossible. That the machine

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 1>makes any sort of sound, then some of the energy

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:23.719
<v Speaker 1>of operation is going into creating the vibrations that make sound.

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Sound itself is energy, it's kinetic energy, So that would

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>mean the machine as a whole would be losing energy

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>through that sound. A machine operating inside an atmosphere has

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>to overcome the friction of moving through air and the

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>list goes on. Moreover, if we could build a perpetual

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 1>motion machine, we'd be able to harness it for energy,

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 1>but only up to whatever the starting initial energy was

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>to get it moving in the first place. Because again,

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>energy cannot be created. We can build devices that can

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>harness other forms of energy and convert that energy and

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>to say electricity, But these are not perpetual motion or

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 1>free energy machines. These machines are just collecting and converting

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 1>energy that's already in the system. We're already present, so

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>they're not making anything. Reneffer, however, claimed to have built

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>a perpetual motion machine that could potentially serve as a

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>free energy generator. Now, if true, this would have been

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>an astonishing discovery. Not only would our understanding of the

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>universe be proven to be wrong, but we would also

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 1>have access to an inexhaustible supply of energy. Red Effort

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 1>showed off what he said was a working model of

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>his design in Philadelphia, and he was asking for money

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to fund the construction of a larger, practical version of

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>his design. A group of inspectors from the city came

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>out to check out how this thing worked, and they

0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>noticed something hinky was going on, even though red Haifer

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>was doing his best to run interference and prevent anyone

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 1>from getting too close a look at the machine. The

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>gears of the device, which was supposedly powering a second machine,

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 1>were worn down in such a way that it was

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty clear that it was actually the second machine that

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>was providing the energy to turn the quote unquote perpetual

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>motion machine, not the other way around. So if we

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>were talking about cars, this would be like discovering that

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the wheels turning were causing the pistons of the engine

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 1>to reciprocate in their cylinders. It's it's going the opposite way.

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:40.240
<v Speaker 1>So the investigators then hired a local engineer named Isaiah

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Lucas to build a similar device, using a secondary machine

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 1>to provide power to what would be the perpetual motion

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>type machine, and then they showed it to red Haifer,

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 1>who saw that the jig was up and he hoofted

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 1>out of town to New York City. He tried to

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>pull essentially the same scam there, this time using a

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>machine that was secretly powered by a hand crank in

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 1>a secret room on the other side of the wall. Uh,

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 1>technically it was just a feller sitting there with a

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.399
<v Speaker 1>hand crank in one hand and a sandwich in the other,

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>providing the work to turn this machine. Robert Fulton, a

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>mechanical engineer of great renown, exposed the whole device as

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>a fraud when he pulled apart some boards on the

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>wall and revealed the man sitting there cranking away and

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Red Heifer fled again. Records of what happened next are sketchy.

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.320
<v Speaker 1>It seems he might have tried to pull the Sang

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Dang scheme in Philadelphia again a bit later, but he

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 1>disappeared from the historical record after reportedly refusing to demonstrate

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>his new device. When we come back, I'll compare this

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:54.399
<v Speaker 1>to what I mentioned before a Tharaos before we chat

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 1>about other concerns regarding the black box problem. But first

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 1>let's take another quick break. Okay, So, Saraos this is

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the biomedical technology company that was founded by Elizabeth Holmes,

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 1>and she is currently awaiting a trial on charges of

0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>federal fraud in the United States. The trial was supposed

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>to begin in August twenty twenty, but has since been

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>delayed until one due to COVID nineteen. Now, the pitch

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 1>for Tharaos was really really alluring. What if engineers could

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 1>make a machine capable of testing a single droplet of

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 1>blood for more than one hundred possible illnesses and conditions,

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>So rather than going through multiple blood draws and tests

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>to try and figure out what's wrong, you could get

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 1>an answer based off one little pin prick within a

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>couple of hours. Maybe you would even be able to

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 1>buy a theorophn nos machine for your home, kind of

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>like a desktop printer, and that would allow you to

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>do a quick blood test at a moment's notice. Maybe

0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>you would get a heads up about something you should

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>talk to your doctor about, preventing tragedy. In the process,

0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>you might learn that with some changes in your lifestyle,

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 1>you could improve your overall health or stave off various illnesses.

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 1>It would democratize medicine, giving the average person more control

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and knowledge about their own health and giving them a

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>better starter point for conversations with their doctors. And yeah,

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that's a great goal. It's a fantastic sales pitch, and

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:44.240
<v Speaker 1>it did get homes and theorophness a lot of interested

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 1>investors who really wanted to tap into this because not

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 1>only is it something that you would want for yourself.

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 1>You could easily see that if this is possible, that

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.320
<v Speaker 1>business is going to be like the next Apple. It

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.319
<v Speaker 1>will become a trillion dollar company. Something that power full

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>would undoubtedly become a powerhouse. Now I've done full episodes

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 1>about the Ainos and how it fell apart because spoiler alert,

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:14.279
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what happened. The technology just didn't work. But

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of what happened with Aaronis was

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 1>largely dependent upon naivete ignorance and wishful thinking. Our technology

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>can do some pretty astounding stuff, right, I mean if

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you had told me in two thousand that by the

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 1>end of the decade I would be carrying around a

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>device capable of really harnessing the power of the Internet

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 1>in my pocket and I would have access to it

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>all the time, I would have thought you were bonkers.

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 1>So if technology can do incredible things like that, why

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 1>can't it do something equally incredible with blood tests. The

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>idea is that, well, we're already seeing this amazing stuff happen,

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 1>why isn't this other amazing thing possible? And that is

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 1>dangerous thinking. It a weights all technological advances and developments,

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 1>and that's just not how reality works Moore's law, the

0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:13.280
<v Speaker 1>observation that generally speaking, computational power doubles every two years

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 1>has really helped fuel a misunderstanding about technology in general.

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 1>We extend that same crazy growth to all sorts of

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>fields and technology when that doesn't actually apply, and it

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 1>gives us the motivation to fool ourselves into thinking that

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the impossible is actually possible. That I think is what

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>happened with Sarah. No. Nos, Now, I'm not saying Holmes

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 1>set out to deceive people. I don't know what she

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>really believed was possible, but based on what I've read

0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and seen and listened to, to me, it sounds like

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.399
<v Speaker 1>she figured there was at least a decent chance her

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 1>vision would become possible, and so a lot of Saraphnoss activities,

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 1>in personal opinion, appeared to have been meant to stall

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 1>for time while engineers were working on very hard problems

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to make the blood testing device work as intended. The

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:14.439
<v Speaker 1>further into the process, the more of the company had

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 1>to spin wheels to make it seem like it was

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 1>making more progress than it actually was. The company had

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 1>raised an enormous amount of money from the investors, so

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 1>they were beholden to them. They had also secured agreements

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:30.719
<v Speaker 1>with drug store chains to provide services to customers, so

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>they needed to perform a service. It had to show progress,

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 1>even if behind the scenes things had actually stalled out.

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>On top of that, you also have the reports of

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:45.959
<v Speaker 1>executives like Holmes herself living the high life and really

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 1>enjoying incredible benefits of wealth because of the enormous investment

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 1>into the company. So that plays a part two therein

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 1>knows as operations were effectively a black box to the

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 1>outside world. It was meant to missdirect and give the

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 1>implication that things were working fine behind the scenes, while

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 1>the people who were actually there were trying to keep

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.720
<v Speaker 1>up the illusion while simultaneously attempting to solve what appeared

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 1>to be impossible problems. At some point, based on how

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 1>things unfolded, I would say that executives that THEOS appeared

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:24.760
<v Speaker 1>to be perpetrating a scam, not just you know, trying

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 1>to maintain an illusion while getting things to work. They

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 1>were actively scamming people. In my opinion, maybe they were

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 1>still holding out hope that it would ultimately work out,

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't change that it was a classic case

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>of smoke and mirrors to hide what was really happening,

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 1>such as using existing blood testing technology from other companies

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 1>in order to run tests while claiming that the results

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>were coming from actual THEOS devices. But again, this is

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>all my own opinion based on what I've seen and

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 1>read about the subject. A court will have to determine

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:01.880
<v Speaker 1>whether or not Homes and other is actually committed fraud.

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 1>A lot of the technology we rely upon in our

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:08.839
<v Speaker 1>day to day lives is complicated stuff, and there are

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.239
<v Speaker 1>limited hours in the day. It's a bit much to

0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 1>ask anyone to become an expert on all things tech

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 1>to figure out exactly how they work. Tech is also

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 1>becoming more and more specialized, so you might become an

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>expert in one area of technology and be completely ignorant

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 1>of another. That's not unusual because it takes a lot

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>of time to become an expert at specific areas of tech.

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 1>These days, they've become so specialized. But by overlooking the

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:37.959
<v Speaker 1>how we can make ourselves vulnerable to bad actors out

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 1>there when it comes to technology. Maybe they are actively

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to pull the wool over our eyes, or maybe

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 1>they're just simply misguided and they misunderstand how stuff works.

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>But either way, our own ignorance of how tech does

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 1>and what it does, and the limitations that we all

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 1>face based on, you know, the fundamental laws of the

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 1>universe as we understand them, that all makes us potential

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:06.120
<v Speaker 1>marks or targets. That's where critical thinking comes in and

0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 1>plays a part. Knowing to ask questions and to critically

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 1>examine the answers, and to ask follow up questions, and

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 1>to not accept claims at face value are all important traits. Now,

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>we do have to be careful not to go so

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>far as to embrace denialism. If we are confronted with

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>compelling evidence that supports the claim, we need to be

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 1>ready to accept that claim. I'm not advocating for you

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>guys to just go out there and say that any

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 1>and every claim is just bogus. That's not the point.

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll close this out by talking about something we're seeing

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 1>unfold in real time around us, and that involves machine

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 1>learning and AI systems. Now, if you follow the circles

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.359
<v Speaker 1>that report on this kind of stuff, you will occasionally

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 1>see calls for transparency. Those calls are to urge people

0:42:56.520 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 1>who are designing these machine learning systems and AI systems

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>to show their work, as it were, and to have

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 1>the systems themselves show their work. It's not enough to

0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 1>create a system that can perform a task like image

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:13.759
<v Speaker 1>recognition and then give us results. We need to know

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 1>how the system came to those conclusions that it produced.

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:21.399
<v Speaker 1>We need this in order to check for stuff like biases,

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:25.839
<v Speaker 1>which is a serious issue in artificial intelligence. Honestly, it's

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 1>a really big problem for tech in general, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>really seeing it play out rather spectacularly in AI. Now

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<v Speaker 1>i'll give you an example that I've already alluded to,

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<v Speaker 1>facial recognition technology. The U s National Institute of Standards

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<v Speaker 1>and Technology conducted an investigation in twenty nineteen into facial

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<v Speaker 1>recognition technologies, and it found that algorithms were pretty darn

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<v Speaker 1>good at identifying Caucasian faces, but if they were analyzing

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<v Speaker 1>a black or an Asian face, they were are less accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes one times more likely to falsely identify somebody based

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<v Speaker 1>on an image. The worst error rates involved identifying Native Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's let that sink in, because when we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about issues like systemic racism, we sometimes forget about how

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<v Speaker 1>that can manifest in ways that aren't as intuitive or

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<v Speaker 1>obvious as the really overt stuff. We live in a

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<v Speaker 1>world that has cameras all over the place. Surveillance is

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<v Speaker 1>a real thing that's going on all the time. Police

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<v Speaker 1>and other law enforcement agencies rely heavily on facial recognition

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<v Speaker 1>algorithms to identify suspects and to search for people of interest,

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<v Speaker 1>and if those algorithms have a low rate of reliability

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<v Speaker 1>for different ethnicities, a disproportionate number of people who have

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<v Speaker 1>no connection to any investigation are going to be singled

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<v Speaker 1>out by mistake by these algorithms. Lives can be disrupted,

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<v Speaker 1>careers can be ruined, relationships hurt all because a computer

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<v Speaker 1>program can't tell the difference between two different faces. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a serious problem, and it points to a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of things. One of the big ones is a lack

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<v Speaker 1>of diversity on the design side of things. We've seen

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<v Speaker 1>this with tech for a long time. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>really critical diversity issue going on with technology. The people

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<v Speaker 1>who are building algorithms and training machine learning systems are

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<v Speaker 1>largely failing to do so in a way that can

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<v Speaker 1>be equally applicable across different ethnicities. Meanwhile, organizations like the

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<v Speaker 1>American Civil Liberties Union are calling upon law enforcement agencies

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<v Speaker 1>to stop relying on technology like this entirely pointing out

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<v Speaker 1>that the potential for harm to befall innocent people outweighs

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits of using the tech to catch, you know, criminals.

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<v Speaker 1>A machine learning system trained to do something like identify

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<v Speaker 1>people based on their faces needs to be transparent so

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<v Speaker 1>that when a bias becomes evident, engineers can go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the machine learning system and look and see where

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<v Speaker 1>it went wrong, and then train it to eliminate the bias.

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<v Speaker 1>Without transparency, it can be hard or impossible to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out exactly where things are going wrong within the system. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>real people in the real world are suffering the consequences. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if we extend this outward and we look into a

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<v Speaker 1>future where artificial intelligence is undoubtedly going to play a

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<v Speaker 1>critical part in our day to day experiences, we see

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<v Speaker 1>how we need to avoid these black box situations. We

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<v Speaker 1>need to understand why a system will generate a particular

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<v Speaker 1>output given specific inputs. We've got to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>check the systems to be certain they are coming to

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<v Speaker 1>the right conclusions. Artificial intelligence has enormous potential to all

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<v Speaker 1>mean how we go about everything from running errands to

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<v Speaker 1>performing our jobs, but we need to be certain that

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<v Speaker 1>the guidance we receive is dependable. That's the right course

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<v Speaker 1>of action, And so I hope this episode has really

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<v Speaker 1>driven home how it's important for us to hold technology

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<v Speaker 1>up to a critical view. It's not that technology is

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<v Speaker 1>inherently good or bad, or that people are specifically acting

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<v Speaker 1>in an ethical or unethical way, but rather that without

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<v Speaker 1>using critical thinking, we can't be certain if what we're

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<v Speaker 1>relying upon is actually reliable or not. I also urge,

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<v Speaker 1>as always that we pair compassion with critical thinking. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a tendency for us to kind of assign

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<v Speaker 1>blame and intent when things go wrong, and sometimes that

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<v Speaker 1>is appropriate, but I would argue that we shouldn't jump

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<v Speaker 1>to that conclusion right off the bat. Sometimes people just

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<v Speaker 1>bad choices, or they are misinterpreting things, but they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any intent to mislead. So while I do advocate

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<v Speaker 1>that we use critical thinking as much as possible, let's

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<v Speaker 1>be decent, nice human beings whenever we do that. If

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out someone is truly being unethical and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to deceive others, that's obviously a different story. But before

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<v Speaker 1>you know for sure, I say we employ that compassion,

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully we are able to solve these problems before

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<v Speaker 1>they have these real world impacts, because the consequences of

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<v Speaker 1>those are dramatic and terrible and avoidable if we use

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<v Speaker 1>critical thinking. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Will

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<v Speaker 1>be back with other new episodes that will probably touch

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<v Speaker 1>on critical thinking, but they won't be, you know, completely

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<v Speaker 1>built around the concept. But if you guys have suggestions

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<v Speaker 1>for future topics I should tackle in tech Stuff, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's a company, a trend, a personality and tech a

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<v Speaker 1>specific technology you want to know how it works, anything

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