1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one two, first airing 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: in mid July twenty nineteen. We're going to be talking 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: about our goals. It's the end of the second quarter 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: now going into the third quarter, so we're going to 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: be talking about that and also talking about routines that 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: work for us and routines that maybe aren't working for us. 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: Lots of interest we've heard on Instagram and on our 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: blogs and emails from people on systems organization routine. We've 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: got a couple exciting episodes coming up on all these topics, 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: but today we'll be tackling routines. So, Sarah, how's your 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: summer been going so far. My summer has been quite 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: lovely so far. We're nearly a month in at this point, 22 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: and by the time this airs will be honestly, maybe 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: slightly past the midpoint, we will actually have just returned 24 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: from our summer trip, which we ended up keeping fairly 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: low key this year due to the asies and stages 26 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: of our kids. We decided to kind of not do 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: anything terribly elaborate, but I will reveal that we decided 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: to do three days in Lego Land and three days 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: in Amelia Island. So was Amelia Island. Amelia Island is 30 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: like northern Florida, northwest Florida. I can't give you more specifics, 31 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: but I think it's about three hours from Lego Land. 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: So this is all going to be driving. We're going 33 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: to try to do a lot of the driving, you know, 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: during nap time, and of course the older kids will 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: enjoy that free device yet I pass time hard times 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: known as iPad time. Yeah, exactly, No, I mean to 37 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: be honest, they're probably just as excited about that as 38 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: they are about the rest of the trip. But no, 39 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: they love Lego Land, and we just felt like maybe 40 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: this was a perfect year not to get on a 41 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: long flight. We considered the Laura Vandercam method of leaving 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: Genevieve with our nanny and going somewhere, but that maybe 43 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: we'll save that one for next year. Yeah yeah, well, yeah, 44 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: you've got time. You can use that option again, and 45 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: you may want to limit how often you use that option, 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: I guess is my takeaway on that one. But only 47 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: for special treats. Special treats exactly. But those sounds great. Yeah, 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: Lego Land is awesome. We went to the one in 49 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: California a couple of times and the kids loved it, 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: at least, you know, when they were sort of younger kids. 51 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: It's a real great option for that. Those themed hotel 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: rooms are a themed hotel rooms are a great What 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: you guys up to? Yeah, well, I am sitting at 54 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: my house in an eighteen hour window in which I 55 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: am home, the only eighteen hour window inside two weeks 56 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: that we went to. Last Saturday, we mid June, I 57 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: guess we drove down to Michael's sisters lake house in 58 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: North Carolina and oh I love it. Yeah, it's about 59 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: eight and a half hour drive. We made really good time. 60 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: It was sort of amazing. Kids are at the perfect 61 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: stage for being in the car. They just watched movies 62 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: and such almost the whole time. It was pretty chill. 63 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 1: We drove down. We stayed there for a couple of days, 64 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: did a lot of boating, did some hiking. I got 65 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: to run around the area. It was very hilly in 66 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: hot but the boat was cool, and the kids did 67 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: a lot of tubing. And then I had a speech 68 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of the week, so Michael and Alex 69 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: drove me to Charlotte Airport, and I flew to Boston 70 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: and flew home last night and have been enjoying my 71 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: eighteen hours in the house by myself. Not really, I've 72 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: been doing laundry. I've been packing us up for the beach. 73 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: I've been doing all the stuff that has to be 74 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: done on my home computer and such in this time. 75 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: But it's probably really nice and quiet, isn't it. Yeah, Well, 76 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: I guess maybe. Yeah. But I fly to Portland this afternoon, Oregon, 77 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: which oh exciting. Yeah, And then I'm speaking there and 78 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: then I fly back to Newark, drive down and meet 79 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: them at the beach. Will be in New Jersey Ocean 80 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 1: Grove for a week. We like to do that, and 81 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: so this is your second beach trip already this summer, 82 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,119 Speaker 1: right well, as the lake counts as a beach, I guess. 83 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: So we had the lake trip and the beach trip 84 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: back to back, which has been but you did it 85 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: drive down to the shore because I remember you mentioned 86 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: ice cream. Yeah, yeah, exactly, I instagramed the ice cream 87 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: over Memorial Day weekend. That's that's true. We went on 88 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: that day. But this will be for a while hanging 89 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: out there. And you know, I mean, this has been 90 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: somewhat ridiculous because Michael had a work retreat the week 91 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: before the lake trip, so he's literally been doing sort 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: of one day in the office for three weeks, like you. 93 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: So it's just all you know, I'm a little jealous 94 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: because actually my June turns out to now be one 95 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: of my busiest months of the year because it's onboarding 96 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: time for our new residence and finishing time for our 97 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: old residents. And actually everything does come down nicely by 98 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: July and August, which you know, everyone thinks, oh July 99 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: it's the starting, but actually from the program standpoint, like 100 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: by that point you should have all your ducks in 101 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: the row and you can kind of breathe for a 102 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: second because the problems take a little bit of time 103 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: to develop. So June is crazy and then the rest 104 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: of our summer is less so and to remind everyone 105 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: and kind of transition into our next part, I kind 106 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: of consider my year is to be quintiles instead of quarters. 107 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: And for me that summer we're like kind of mid 108 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: deeply into Q three, which is my summer quintile. And 109 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: for me that kind of started right around the end 110 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: of school, which was the beginning of June. Okay, all right, 111 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: but for you, a normal person, a normal person, quarters, 112 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: you're just entering Q three. But I'm entering psychologically. I'm 113 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: just saying that time when your kids are off of 114 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: school is special. It's special. Well, summer. I think of 115 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: summer as a unit in itself. I guess I have 116 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: multiple ways of thinking about my time. And actually, with 117 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: your school calendar, Q three does coincide fairly nicely with summer. Yeah, no, 118 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: that's true. I mean they only got out two weeks ago, 119 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: or a week and a half ago, I guess at 120 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: this point. So and but this is airing in July, 121 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: they will have been off for almost a month. So yeah, yeah, Well, 122 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: so let's talk then about your Q two and Q 123 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: three goals. How you are doing on them and yours too, Well, Well, 124 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: don't you definitely do? But that's okay, We'll start with mine. No, 125 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: I actually feel like well, I mentioned on a recent 126 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: episode that Genevieve's getting to a point where she generally 127 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: sleeps and doesn't need to be pumped for all day. 128 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: I feel like I in my life is back, which 129 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: is really cool. And I guess that's coincided with just 130 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: a lot of big things happening at work and some 131 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: family things. I don't feel like I made a lot 132 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: of super ambitious goals on the family front, just because 133 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: I've been undergoing the work transition that I have, But 134 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm really kind of happy with Mari I am right now. 135 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: So just to summarize four cute. Actually it's a little 136 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: more in the summary, but to go to do it. 137 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: For Q two, my goals were to survive the transition 138 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: basically to program director, to make it through our acgmy visit, 139 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: which we don't really have the results of, but I 140 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: did make it through the visit itself. A little fun 141 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: work side project, we started a parenting group within our 142 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: organization that has had one meetup and has the next 143 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: one plan, so that was kind of fun. I did 144 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: all those things for family. My goal was to have 145 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: mommy days, which I didn't do in Q two, but 146 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: I have done in Q three, so I'm super happy 147 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: about that, and to plan a July vacation and family visit, 148 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: so that was all check. I had a random restaurant 149 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: on there because I'm trying to get to know my 150 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: new surroundings a little bit. We definitely have been continuing 151 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: to drive back to Miami Beach, probably more than is 152 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: healthy or normal since our move, just because our friends 153 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: are there and we have so many favorite places and 154 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: it's just successible enough. But we need to get to 155 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: know some of the restaurants and fun places around here, 156 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: so we're working on that. I did fail on a 157 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: couple of fronts. I wanted to schedule a play date 158 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: and it just didn't happen in Q two. However, I 159 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: have scheduled one for Q three, so that's good. And 160 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: I want to for my blog, I had this idea 161 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: that I want to start an email list. Now you 162 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: can like sign up to get my blog post via email, 163 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: but it's not really like a newsletter type list, and 164 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: I feel like to actually get people to join. I 165 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: need a cool enticement, and I actually have one in 166 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: mind that would fit really nicely with kind of like 167 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: Planner season, but I need to which we'll start in 168 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: a few months. I need to figure out how to 169 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: actually operationalize that, like to get that free pdf sent, 170 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: to create the pdf, and you know, market that, so 171 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: that that will be forthcoming. But it did not happen yet. 172 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: Another really big thing was that I wanted to kind 173 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: of decide on the vision for this podcast as we 174 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: talked about because I felt I sort of began to 175 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: notice that we were putting so much work into it, 176 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: and I to justify that to myself, felt like we 177 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: probably needed to try to expand and maybe look into 178 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: some sponsors, which we did and you're hearing now, so 179 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: I can definitely check that one off. And I totally 180 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: failed to reopen my book proposal. It's a good theme 181 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I feel like I did 182 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: take an Instagram vacation, I did read at least four 183 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: books which I wanted to do, and I did schedule 184 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: a pedicure. So yeah, yeah, that was my Q. Two. 185 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: What about you, I'm like, did I even have goals? 186 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: I had to go back and look them up, and 187 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: I didn't see where they were posted. I had to 188 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: go back through our notes from a past episode to 189 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: find them. So in Q two, I was going to 190 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: revise my National Novel Writing Month novel. I did read it, 191 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: and that's about it. Accounts for something, accounts for something. 192 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure I really feel like 193 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: doing it anymore. At first, I read it through and 194 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I think this is salvageable. I think, 195 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, I like the characters. I don't know if 196 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: I feel that way anymore. You think you need just 197 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: maybe a little more space from it. Maybe I need 198 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: more space, Maybe I need to rethink the plot to 199 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: get it, needs like something else put into it, or 200 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: something else taken out, like some massive shift. But if 201 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: I could get excited about that, then maybe I feel 202 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: more like I wanted to do it. But it just 203 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: it hasn't happened well the reading. I think you should 204 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: give yourself more credit for the reading, because the reading 205 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: was important to help you decide if you really felt 206 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: invested in that goal. Yes, and I know then that's 207 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: okay too. Yeah. I was going to do the yard 208 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: upgrade slash renovation. That's pretty much a fail as well. 209 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: I mean partly it's just it's summer and it looks 210 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: a lot better. I don't know, I was I made 211 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: this goal when it was winter and it looked like crap, 212 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: But now it looks pretty, so maybe nothing really need 213 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: I mean, there's still stuff that needs to be done. 214 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: We actually did sign a contract and put in a 215 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: deposit to do some stuff with our deck that it 216 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: needs to be fixed, cleaned, repainted. That is going to 217 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: get done in our front door. They're going to do 218 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: like a bunch of carpentry stuff around the house. So 219 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: I mean there's a project that is in motion. But 220 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: you know, the originally my thought of like changing a 221 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: lot of the landscaping and hard scaping is just not 222 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: And to clarify, you make your goals, you like make 223 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: them all at the beginning of the year. Yeah, ide 224 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: I do. And so you know these are what Laura 225 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: in like November thought would be a good idea. And 226 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: because I do create, I create yearly goals. But I 227 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: if I think if I did what you did, I'd 228 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: have the same problem, like I would maybe no longer 229 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: be ready for that goal at that time. Or yeah, no, 230 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: I mean, so there's there's that, although usually I mean 231 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: I try to think enough about them that there are 232 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: sort of long term things I want to do or 233 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: something like. You know, the relationship goal I had was 234 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 1: to get together with friends every two weeks, and I 235 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: definitely with you know, if we friends and relations I 236 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: saw people at you know, at least seven eight times 237 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: during the quarter. So yes, I've I've hit that check, 238 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: so check on that one. But yeah, I don't know, 239 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess sometimes, you know. Right now, my goal, 240 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: as it were, is kind of holding study on a 241 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. You're doing a lot of speaking. I'm 242 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: doing a lot of speaking, so June was a bit 243 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: intense that way. I've got six trips in June, so 244 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: flying somewhere, are staying overnight in addition to you know, 245 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: the lake visit, so that it's really you know, seven 246 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: trips in the course of June, which is a lot, 247 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: a lot, lot to add on top of end of 248 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: year school stuff for instance. You know I'm doing. You know, 249 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: if any of our listeners listened to before breakfast, I 250 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: have a every weekday morning podcast, which is kind of 251 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: a thing that takes time. It's a big thing and 252 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: it's really well done. If you haven't, I'm sure. I mean, 253 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: they have a much larger share than we do, so 254 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: probably most of these listeners have heard that. I don't 255 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: know about vice versa, but if you haven't checked it out, 256 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: you guys, you should. It's great, well, thank you like 257 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: little snippets of little little snippets of Laura. But you know, 258 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm working on that, and so launching that is a 259 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: thing as well. And I had two books come out 260 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: basically in the last year. You know. There's so the 261 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: speaking's going well and I'm sort of going to run 262 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: with that. The podcast is going well, and I'm going 263 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: to keep growing the audience for that and for this 264 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: one of course, and keep trying to support the books 265 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: I already have on the market, because, like you know, 266 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: you can always keep selling your back list and it's 267 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: all additional goodness if people go buy your your past books. 268 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I suppose at some point I 269 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: need to figure out something else new to do with myself. 270 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: I will come up with another book topic at some point. 271 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: You know. That's that is a Q four goal, I believe, 272 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: But you know, these things, sometimes you just need to 273 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: pause and think about stuff, and it's okay not to 274 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: be rushing toward a goal if you don't know if 275 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: it's the right goal. And so I think that's what 276 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm sort of holding with the National Novel Writing Month 277 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: novel right now, because I'm not sure it's the goal 278 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: that I want to put a lot of time into. 279 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: I think it's not a bad idea to keep working 280 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: on my creative writing craft, but I also am writing 281 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: short podcast scripts and blogs and you know, the occasional 282 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: article and stuff like all the time. And so I 283 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm pondering if maybe I just do a 284 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: lot of reading, a lot of thinking figure out what 285 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: it is I wish to say to the world with 286 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: my next book. And you know, sometimes opportunities also just 287 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: come to me as well. This is one of the 288 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: fun things. I think you can plan for cool stuff. 289 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: And certainly I'm always thinking about new book ideas or 290 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: thinking about opportunities, but a lot of opportunities also come 291 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: if you make yourself available for opportunities. And so having 292 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: my email address there, you know, anyone can find it 293 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: and righte me and so I do hear from lots 294 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: of people or you know, sometimes people have big projects 295 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: and they throw them out there and I say, well, 296 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: is this something you're interested? So I feel like something 297 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: will come like that too, and that may shape what 298 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: I wish to be doing as well. I think that's awesome. 299 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: And I think that white space, you know, it's probably underrated. 300 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: As someone who's definitely tends to error towards filling up 301 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: my space at least the season I am right now. 302 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: I probably should remember that more, but yeah, I like that. Well. 303 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: I think we should take a pause and have a 304 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: break for our sponsors listeners. We know you're busy, but 305 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: is there something that's interfering with your happiness or is 306 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: preventing you from achieving your goals. Better Help Online Counseling 307 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: is there for you. 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I mean I 361 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: sort of sat and brainstormed just a lot of things 362 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: I had to post recently about things that we're working, 363 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: and you know, there's also, of course, things that don't 364 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: always work that are important to think about. And I 365 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: also have been doing thinking about how there are like 366 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: small routines in life, those ones that repeat on a 367 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: daily basis, and then there's those sort of large scale 368 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: routines like actually on my goals list, you know, I 369 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: talk about I didn't get into it, but I'm going 370 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: to be taking a girl's trip this summer, and I 371 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: think that's sort of part of my life routine. Is 372 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: I like to make sure that I am, you know, 373 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: getting to see my best friends from college once a year, 374 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: so I can sort of revisit that part of myself. 375 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: And I think that there's no real scale to what 376 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: can be a routine. It could be something as tiny 377 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: as flossing, although someone argued that's not so tiny to 378 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: something as big as you know, sitting down and reevaluating. 379 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: Do I want to keep this job every year? So yeah, 380 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: regular check ins. It's good to have a routine of 381 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: regular check ins. I mean, I think we certainly I 382 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: do like weekly check ins to plan my schedule and 383 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: say what, you know, what do I need to do 384 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: in the next week, to sort of advance things forward. 385 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: The daily check in, like what am I doing tomorrow? 386 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: You know what is on the scheduled for tomorrow? What 387 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: do I want to accomplish? And then those yearly check 388 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: ins with the goals, even if it turns out that 389 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: maybe things need to be revised in the course of 390 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: the year. So yeah, those are all great ideas for 391 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: regular check ins. So when I brainstormed small and big 392 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: routines that work and maybe some that don't, I came 393 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: up with I feel like the bed time routine is 394 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: a big one. We you know, that always changes based 395 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 1: on how old the kids are and whether they're napping 396 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: or not. But we have hit a fairly stable pattern 397 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: recently because Genevieve is down to one nap and probably 398 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: is going to stay there for at least the next 399 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: year or so I assume most of my kids did. 400 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: Where she goes to bed kind of on the early side. 401 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: Then I have a little time with the big kids. 402 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: What's working about that is that it feels pretty pleasant. 403 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: I don't usually have to work too hard to get 404 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: them to kind of you know, they get to do 405 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: some screen time while I'm putting her to bed, which 406 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: they enjoy, and then they're pretty good about turning it 407 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: off when I say it's time to get ready for bed. 408 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: But the problem is the downside of this routine is 409 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: that I tend to get really relaxed when they're doing 410 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: screen time, like maybe I'm involved in a book, and 411 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's like nine to twenty, 412 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: and that's too late for them because then they're very 413 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: cranky the next day. And also I've noticed that paradoxically, 414 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: the later you wait to put them to bed, the 415 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: less able you are to put them to bed, or 416 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: at least in my case. So I'd say part of 417 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: that's working really nice. But I did think about, you know, 418 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: maybe I need to try to actually have a little 419 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: bit more of a time good line. Yeah, but bedtime 420 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: is something I think about do you think about your 421 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: kids bedtime routine? Oh yeah, well, I mean it shifts 422 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: in the summer some and there's definitely been kind of 423 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: pushback about when it is. I Mean, the problem is, 424 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I don't necessarily want to go to 425 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: bed before my kids go to bed, like I don't know, 426 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: I just to have like are they going to go 427 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 1: to sleep? Like I don't know, will they go to sleep? Obviously, 428 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: if Michael's here, then he can make them go to sleep, 429 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: But the problem is he often doesn't make them go 430 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: to sleep. I mean, it's just like there's like all 431 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, watching movies till whenever at night, like tease 432 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: you guys, is there no discipline among any of you? 433 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I get it if you're the kids, 434 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: but among the adults it seems like there should be 435 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: some They just want that good time and they don't 436 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: want the kid time to be sullied by like Lully 437 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: having to their worst anything. I know, so often Alex 438 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: is still going to bed before our nanny leaves in 439 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: the evening. So, I mean, we know our hours during 440 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: the week, Like Monday Thursday we had at eight to eight, 441 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 1: and so he tends to go down and then she leaves, 442 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: so she's usually putting him down on those days, which 443 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: is kind of nice. I mean, I like, I do 444 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: it on the weekends, and I feel like three nights 445 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: a week is good. I feel like that's enough to 446 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: have that experience with him, but not to have the 447 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: daily sort of back and forth about it. So he's 448 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: usually down before eight. I tend to go read Ruth's 449 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: stories around eight forty five. We've read through many of 450 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: the Magic Treehouse books. We weld like a chapter to 451 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: a night. Some of them are better than others. It's interesting, 452 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: but we go to find some new ones. But we've 453 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: been doing that. And then she's in her room, but 454 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: she plays quietly in her room, like she's allowed to 455 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: play kind of however long she wants to. Just pretty 456 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: good about putting herself in bed before ten. And the point, 457 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: I mean, the boys are supposed to be in the 458 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: school year. They were supposed to be in their room 459 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: reading at nine and then I turn out the light 460 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: at ten. They have been pushing that, and I mean, 461 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: on some level, like the jasper doesn't have to wake 462 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: up at seven fifteen, seven twenty for anything in the summer, 463 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: so why you know, why keep the same bedtime. So 464 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: they've been sort of it's been more like I like 465 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: them to still be in the room at nine, but 466 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: that often doesn't happen. It's been more like nine thirty 467 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: and then they can read till ten thirty. That seems reasonable. Yeah, 468 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean that's one of those things where like, you know, 469 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: when the kids were younger, you needed to kind of 470 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: actually watch them fall asleep and know that, you know, 471 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: as you talked about them going to bed later than you, 472 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: are they going to be roaming the house. But now 473 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: they're old enough that you can kind of adjust that 474 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: and just trust that they're going to read and hopefully 475 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: good at beout. Yeah. I mean I've still been turning 476 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: out the light at ten thirty and then I try 477 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: I am in bed by eleven. But you know, if 478 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: you think it like I don't have to really do 479 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: that much between nine and ten thirty, I mean if 480 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: they're upbreading or nine thirty and ten thirty and so 481 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: I can read too. I mean there's some back and 482 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: forth always, but but I mean also I have my 483 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: evenings often as well, because I mean I'm not doing 484 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: bedtime with Alex during the week, so that's often time 485 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: I can. You know, I've sat on the porch, say 486 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: from seven to fifteen to seven forty five. Well, that's 487 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: happening in red, which is great. I really enjoy that 488 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: to not have that be necessarily me all the time. 489 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, I try to go to bed 490 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: by eleven. You know, if Michael's home, we hang out 491 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: together for a while, but and then that winds up 492 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: being later. But you know, generally, I moved the alarm 493 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: time to seven in the summer, it was sixty four. 494 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: It was six forty five during the school year, so 495 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: that I could shower before I needed to get Josper 496 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: up and start, you know whatever. But I seven is 497 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: sort of a just like six forty five. I mean 498 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: I almost never wake up at that time because Alex 499 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: tends to wake up before that. I mean, sometimes I'd 500 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: get to go back to bed before six till six 501 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: forty five or till seven. But you know, often I'll 502 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: just get up too. I mean, if I'm at bad 503 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: at eleven and he wakes up at six, like, that's 504 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: actually fine, So then I'll just get up and have 505 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: my coffee and read for a while. I literally don't 506 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: know the last time I've slept past them. I said, 507 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: we have different, you know, chronological croudo types or definitely 508 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: I'm not a night out. I'm not actually a night out. 509 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: But I think you're very much labored person. Yes, yes, yes, 510 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: And we can do morning routine briefly, although I want 511 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: to get into like scrolling and email routines because I 512 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: think those are interesting because we tend to be well. 513 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: I did just finish digital minimalism, so obviously that's like 514 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: paramount on my mind right now. I just feel like 515 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: those are routines that we do very automatically without thinking 516 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: about them. And for me, the thing that has well, 517 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, we've always had that debate a million times, 518 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: like doesn't matter if you're scrolling, but I do find 519 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: myself happier when I'm not I'm bathing myself on Instagram 520 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: and doing something else with that time instead. And for me, 521 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: as long as I have a really good book that 522 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm read, if I just make that my downtime in 523 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: the evening instead of just randomly going to the phone, 524 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: it's like makes a world of difference in actually almost 525 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: every fest in my life. It's very interesting because if 526 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: you're not on Instagram at night, then there's nothing to 527 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 1: check in in the morning. It's sort of like, you know, 528 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: it's like a cyclical sort of a thing. So I 529 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: have been paying a lot of attention to my unconscious 530 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: screen routines, and the other part of that, I would say, 531 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: it's email and I'm really trying to keep the freaking 532 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: outlook on my desk closed. Well, so here's we should 533 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: talk about this, because you are you have transitioned over 534 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: the past year from a job that was sort of 535 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 1: a lot less email based. Oh, it's very email based. Oh, 536 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: I kind of my emails that I wrote yesterday, which 537 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: was a full jammy day. Yeah, how many emails I wrote? 538 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: I have seventy emails. So I say, a transition from 539 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: a much less email based job to a very email 540 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: sort of email job. But I'm in that kind of 541 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: a day like yesterday, it's finally my outlookout because I 542 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: was literally on it the entire day and waiting for 543 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: people's responses. But on a patient day, which for me, 544 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: it's very like black or white, like I mean they're 545 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: seeing patients or I'm doing gm me all day. Trust me, 546 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: it's it's only going to work if I kind of 547 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: segregate the two. But my habit was to leave the 548 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: outlook on anyway, even if I was seeing patients, so 549 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: I'd see something pop up all day, but I could 550 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: only like half like deal with them, but I couldn't 551 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 1: really and then you know, my patient results are popping up. 552 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: And that's the other thing. If I leave my patient 553 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: results window open and I'm on a GM E day, like, 554 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: that'll drive me insane and I really shouldn't. You can't 555 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: possibly switch back and forth all day long. So basically 556 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: the way I've done it is I will let myself 557 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: check in twice a day, like around noon and around 558 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, on whichever thing I'm 559 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: not doing. So if i'm GM, I'll check on my 560 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: epic in box, my you know, so I can respond 561 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: to any important patient results, anything urgent, and then vice 562 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: versa with the email. But I cannot have both of 563 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: them open at once. And I've been better about like 564 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: turning people away from my office when they come to 565 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: me with something that's non urgent on like the wrong 566 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: side of things, because I don't think I'll survive otherwise. Yeah, okay, interesting, 567 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: that's a routine that I've had to kind of RETI 568 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: your Gmail window open all the time. Well, so Gmail 569 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: actually isn't my main one. I have four, I have 570 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: four inboxes now, so I thought there's a way of 571 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: neatly forwarding them all into one. I know there is, 572 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: but I kind of like having them at least separation. No, 573 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: it can be healthy. Actually, I mean the Gmail and 574 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: the Yah who could be totally combined, but I don't 575 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: favor one over the other, and so I've just kind 576 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: of kept them both. The I have a Laura Laura vandercam, 577 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: which is another Gmail account, so that's where a lot 578 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: of you know, responses to newsletters, things coming in from 579 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: my blog. That stuff goes there. And then I have 580 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: the Before Breakfast one, which is people sending in stuff 581 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: for that, And so I'm trying to keep some separation 582 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: because I feel like, you know, if people are sending 583 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: in questions for say this podcast or things they want 584 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: discussed on my blog or whatever, They're going to send 585 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: it separately. Then people sending it over to Before Breakfast, 586 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: where I feel like those people want it discussed in 587 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: that context, right, So I think if it all came together, 588 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: I might find it hard to separate. Do you have 589 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: a routine time or way that you check in or 590 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: is it just well, So, YEAHOO tends to be open 591 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: most of the day, although I'm not looking at it 592 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: all the time. I will probably, you know, I look 593 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: at the email, but I only answer it at certain times, 594 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: like I'll do a you know, try to get to 595 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: current maybe not current. I actually will go through it, 596 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: answer a few things if they see margin, like twice 597 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: a day, and then every three days I go and 598 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: try and get caught up since the last which is 599 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: definitely a routine, I mean, and one that you found works, 600 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: I do it weekly. I try to just like you know, 601 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: empty everything. Yeah, and so the Laura Laura Vanderkamp, I 602 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: probably check every other day, every two to three days. 603 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: And before breakfast, I was to check every two to 604 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: three days. Gmail. Not that many people have the Gmail 605 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: account one, so I tend to check it more sparingly, 606 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: probably again every two to three days. So yeah, it's 607 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: it's more manageable that it sounds. And because there's not 608 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: too much stuff coming into the three that are not 609 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: my main inbox, I can kind of deal with it 610 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: relatively quickly, and if it needs a more involved response, 611 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: I'll actually forward it to the Yahoo account and then 612 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: respond from there as part of my every three day thing. 613 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: That makes sense, Okay, So errands are another class of route. Well, 614 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: they can be routine or they could just be random. 615 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: I am trying to make the library more of a 616 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: weekly thing than a random thing because I hate when 617 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: I get fined return stuff late. And this encourages me 618 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: to keep my hold list up to date, which, as 619 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: I just mentioned, ties very much to my routine of 620 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: not mindlessly falling on my phone. Because if I have 621 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: a book i'm excited about, I'm much less likely to 622 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: do that, and that requires either ordering from somewhere or 623 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: going to a bookstore, or maintaining an up to date 624 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: library hall And another one that's greatly enhanced my quality 625 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: of life is that dry cleaning, however, used to be 626 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 1: really part of our routine. We would just go when 627 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: we had a giant heap. But Josh just started saying, 628 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just going to go every week, 629 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: So I just put stuff in a pile, and amazingly 630 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: I have more clothes to wear. Yes, yes, that's roughly 631 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: our system to our routine for this. We throw them 632 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: on the of the master bedroom closet and then Michael 633 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: takes them once every week or two and then picks 634 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: up whatever is there since since the last time. So it's, 635 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, if I need something done quickly, I mean, 636 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: that's just not part of my life. There's no quick 637 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: dry cleaning in my life. It's usually I'm not going 638 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: to get it back for Michael. Possibly more, but usually 639 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: I don't. I have enough stuff that I don't need 640 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: it every urgently urgently. Yeah, yeah. Do you have any 641 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: other errand type routines? I mean, I mean there's grocery 642 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. I don't do that personally, 643 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: but no, those actually those are my big like errand 644 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: type routines. Yeah, no, I So Michael often does a 645 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: big grocery shop at some point on the weekend or 646 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: every other weekend. He's the one who likes to go 647 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,239 Speaker 1: to Costco or Wegman's or something like that. I've kind 648 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: of been taken off grocery duty because I'm apparently too 649 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: cheap and don't buy enough stuff. So he would prefer 650 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: to go and then make sure that we have first 651 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: a weekend meals, like good stuff, you know, like you 652 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: do have six people in your house, you know, Yeah, 653 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: a lot of my mouth, I know, I know, And 654 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: and the week during the week, grocery stuff gets our 655 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: nanny often does that. But like for me, he kind 656 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: of likes he likes to grill something, for instance, And 657 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: and so I would not choose, like I wouldn't go 658 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 1: to the counter and talk to the butcher about the 659 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: kind of and you know, I'd just be like, what 660 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: looks you know, grab it off the thanks so I have, 661 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not going to sit there and 662 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: ask about the lobster tails or something. So it's just 663 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: like I have been taken off this for like, he's 664 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: very good at this job. Actually he enjoys it. So 665 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: he pretty much cooks on weekends and does a good 666 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: job of it. We I mean, we tend not to 667 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: go out to eat that much, so this is kind 668 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: of the substitute that you can eat really well for 669 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: far less anyway. And so I should be like, oh, yes, 670 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: this is great. You know, you should you know, spend 671 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: freely at the grocery store because it's always less than 672 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: ordering in or you know, going to the whatever. But 673 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: it's it's still kind of you I don't know, I 674 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: still have have hanging ups at the grocery store. Yeah, 675 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: so I don't know. There's there's not a whole lot 676 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: of errands I tend to do on on weekends. I 677 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: guess I left to what I do. I wanted to 678 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: be a bit of a treat on as I went. 679 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: Wound up going to Target a week or two ago. 680 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: Of course I went when they had the whole all 681 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: the registers were down. They weren't taking electronics stuff that 682 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: you couldn't use your credit card or debit card. So 683 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm there with my cart full of stuff that is 684 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: not good. Well, fortunately I randomly happened to have like 685 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: two hundred dollars in cash in my wallet, so I 686 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: was able to still buy my stuff. But I assume 687 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people had not had the foresight to 688 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: have enough cash to cover their Target run in their wallet. 689 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot of abandoning carts going on there. 690 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: That's so funny. Do you have any routines around travel? 691 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: Sorry I didn't ask you this in advance, but I'm curious. Yeah, 692 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: I do, I do, Sarah. I tend to pack. I 693 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: have my set list of packing, and I've actually started 694 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: leaving a lot of the stuff in the bag. I mean, 695 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: so this for someone that's taking six trips in a month, 696 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: six trips in a month, you may as well. So 697 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: all my toiletries, whether I'm using them at home or not, 698 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: are still in the ziplock bag. And I've been told 699 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: I don't need the ziplock bag if you're tsa pre check, 700 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: but it's I often fly out of the American Eagle 701 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: Terminal in Philly where there is no pre check. So 702 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: if I'm on these like little dinky planes going to 703 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: small cities I have to still have the baggie anyway, 704 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: so that's always packed. I leave actually a pair of 705 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: gym shoes like running shoes in the bag. I have 706 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: a pair of glasses in the bag. I never used 707 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: the glasses, but I felt like I should have my 708 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: stuff like band aids in the bag. I have a 709 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: toothbrush in the bag. And so then all I have 710 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: to do is, you know, throw in a pair of 711 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: to underwear however long I'm going to be gone, throw 712 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: in you know, pajama pants, exercise clothes, and then whatever 713 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm planning to wear for my event. I always just 714 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: wear jeans and like this jacket or something on the 715 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: my athletic jacket on the plane, so then and then 716 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: I tend to wear that on the way home the 717 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: next day as well, so that I don't have to 718 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: pack much. And then my other carry on is just 719 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: my purse, so again that's almost always packed to I 720 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: never put little bottles of liquid in the purse because 721 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: I know that it's going to be going through the 722 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, security line, so I can't have anything in it. 723 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm pretty much Harry streamlined. I'm half packed 724 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: all the time, so then I can just throw stuff 725 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: in and have it take ten minutes, which is good 726 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: because if you travel a lot, you just can't have 727 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: the packing take a lot of time. I mean, they're 728 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: probably people who are like every time I, you know, 729 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: sometimes I take Uber to a venue or a hotel, 730 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: but sometimes the hosts of arrange like a car service 731 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: if it's you know, somewhere that's out of the way 732 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: or further, and you know, the guys are always down 733 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: there by the baggage claim, being like okay, let's go 734 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: get your bags. I'm like, who comes for like events 735 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: like a conference for two days and has a bag? 736 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: Like I don't even understand this concept that you would 737 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: check a bag. But yeah, I'm only with my kid accouterments. 738 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: But no, not by myself. I I yeah, so I'm 739 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I don't have any bags. I like, oh, okay, 740 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: you pack late. I'm like, I'm only here for like 741 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: twenty four to forty eight hours. Who is bringing like 742 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: a wonder maybe they're like bringing alternate outfits and then yeah, 743 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you need three 744 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: outfits for some unknowns, but even so, I'd probably cram 745 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: them in my duffel bag. Yeah, I don't know. I've 746 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: I've been. It's it's good to have. I think routines 747 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: for stuff like that. I always take a picture of 748 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: where my car is, so ah, there you go, and 749 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: I take to I look at my if if I'm 750 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: not carrying around my key thing with the for the 751 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: hotel with the number of the room number on it, 752 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: which I know you're probably not supposed to do it, ayway, 753 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: it's like not safe, But I take a picture of 754 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: the hotel room so I don't walk into the wrong 755 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: hotel room. But you know, if you're staying in six 756 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: seven a month, like yeah, really forget Yeah all right, 757 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: so that's me. Yeah, no, that's what I'm doing. No, 758 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm still running often in the mid afternoons, 759 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: but it's getting too hot. I've got to shift that 760 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: to the morning. Today I ran in the morning because 761 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: nobody's home. But I'm gonna have to figure out a 762 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: time in the morning I can do it. And I 763 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: feel like, oddly for someone who has a streak every day, 764 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: you don't really have a routine, you like, change your 765 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: runs well, but I think that's what's allowed me to 766 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: have the streak, because got it. So I was thinking 767 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: about that. That's true. The weightlifting I do probably still 768 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: most days, but it has a set time in the schedule. 769 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: It's you know, between the middle school drop off and 770 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: the bus for the elementary school kids, which of course 771 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: isn't happening now, so what's the time it's going to happen. 772 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: And then on the days that I didn't have that, 773 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: it didn't happen either. Whereas the running, since I know 774 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: it's going to happen every day, but I'm not set 775 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: of when it is, you know, it happens, I feel 776 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: like I'm like the opposite, Like if I'm going to 777 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: work out, which I do most days, but not every day, 778 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: And you're right. If it was every day, I couldn't 779 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: make it so incredibly consistent. But it's almost always between 780 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: the times of starting time between five forty five and 781 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: six six ' ten and then ending time between six 782 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: thirty and six forty five. Like that's it. If it 783 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: didn't happen then like it's not gonna happen. Yeah, awesome, 784 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: So well, hope we should go to the Q and 785 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: A yes, and everyone can feel free to share with 786 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: us what your favorite routines, what is working, or if 787 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: you have a routine makeover that you would like us 788 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: to maybe. Yeah, well we can totally do that. I 789 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: know it's one of my favorite things to think about. 790 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: I feel like our lives are made up of routines 791 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: and we're always doing them. Sort of. Yeah, I'd love 792 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: to my Automa routine makeover episodes. So please send us 793 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: inny routines that are working and then the stuff that's 794 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: not working, but you'd like to make a routine, and 795 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: we will try to do an episode on that. All right, 796 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: I'll read the question because I think that Sarah wants 797 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: to answer this. It's a passionate response. Passionate response on 798 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: this one. So our listener says, absolutely love the podcast, 799 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: keep it up. Thank you. I'm hoping you or one 800 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: of your guests has some advice for travel with kids 801 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: who sleep poorly at home. The kids who are four 802 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: years and fifteen months sleep reasonably well. There's usually a 803 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: middle of the night wake up about once a week, 804 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: which is not bad at all, by the way. That's 805 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: Laura's editorial comment here. And we've learned that the baby 806 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: does best if allowed to fuss herself back to sleep 807 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: once the crying. We're going in stops the crying, but 808 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: then we're up for two hours. So these nighttime wakeups 809 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: are much more common while traveling, and of course tolerating 810 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: the crying is much harder in a hotel room with 811 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: thin walls, while staying with family, or just when we're 812 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: all trying to sleep in one room, so a lot 813 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: of adults sleep is lost trying to get the little 814 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: one back to sleep. The other problem is extra early mornings. 815 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: Both kids wake up an hour early, don't adapt all 816 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: the time zone changes, so they tend to be up 817 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: at six am East Coast time wherever we go. We 818 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: have the ability to take some more ambitious family vacations 819 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: because these kids aren't in school yet, right, so they 820 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 1: can do that, But the sleep deprivation from some recent 821 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,879 Speaker 1: trips has made us reluctant. Do you have any advice? FYI, 822 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: my husband isn't a fan of switch off mornings. He 823 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: is a light sleeper, not a naturally early riser, and 824 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: doesn't like being miserable alone. He doesn't feel like he 825 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: benefits from trading off. He wakes up as the rest 826 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: of us try to make our exit and can't fall 827 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 1: back asleep, and would rather have company for these early mornings. So, Sarah, 828 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: what would you say? I mean, my first response is 829 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 1: too bad for the husband, Sorry, he can't sleep. That's 830 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: not fair. I mean, like, I can just imagine a 831 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: woman that's getting up in the middle of the night 832 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: nursing saying like, oh, honey, I'm gonna get you up 833 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: every time because I just don't like being alone. So 834 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: why don't we both be completely exhausted instead of just me, Like, 835 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 1: if this baby isn't getting up to feed on a boob, 836 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: then like this needs to be a shared responsibility, because 837 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: having terrible sleep every other night is much better than 838 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: having bad sleep every night. And I don't know if 839 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: I just said that backwards, And I'm really sad that 840 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: the husband can't seem to sleep through the times when 841 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: you know he's supposed to be sleeping and you get up. 842 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: But A I'm a little bit dubious of that. Even 843 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: if he doesn't, you know, fully stay in perfect cycles 844 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: of sleep while you're getting up with the kid, he 845 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: probably can stay lying down and he could rest and 846 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: and be even if it is his problem too bad, 847 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: like you need you count too. So I guess I 848 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: just like that really like just annoyed me. So I 849 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: am sorry. I hope I don't get hate now for this. 850 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: But when I did the sort of gender switch as 851 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: I tend to do, it didn't sound right to me, 852 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: and so I think you need to think about that 853 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: with you as well. The other thing is, I mean, 854 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: I do, I do understand pretty much everything else you're saying. 855 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I also know exactly what you mean about 856 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, you're fussing at night and then they'll go 857 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: back to sleep in ten minutes on their own. But 858 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: if you go in there, yeah, they'll be quiet, but 859 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: then you're sort of up for two hours. We have 860 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: had that, and I can see why when you're at 861 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: a hotel room or with a family. That's really hard 862 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: because like, do you want to let your baby scream 863 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: for ten minutes? Probably not. Plus if you're in a 864 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: hotel room, they may not be able to self soothe 865 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: like they would at home, so you're just sort of, 866 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, in a bad place. I think there's you know, 867 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: a few things you can do. You can minimize traveling 868 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 1: during these early years. That I mean tends to be 869 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: our strategy for the most part. We're doing a little 870 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: bit of it. But even though you have more calendar flexibility, 871 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: if it's not going to be RESTful and fun, then 872 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: maybe you do some traveling, but try to really optimize 873 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: conditions we'll get to in a second, and save the 874 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: more trips where you're gonna have then wild hotels will 875 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 1: be staying with family for later. Things you could do 876 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: are to look into, you know, a place that's like 877 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: you know, an airbnb or something where you have your 878 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: own space so that you could let the baby cry 879 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: a little bit, or you know, just go with it. 880 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: If the baby gets up super early, now not at 881 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: three am, but if they get up at five am, 882 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: maybe that's like if you're in a safe area, you 883 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,720 Speaker 1: go for a stroller run and let them fall back asleep. 884 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: We have definitely gone that route on our kind of trips. 885 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 1: And then the other thing I would say is make 886 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: sure you make time for naps on your trips, because 887 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: at least if a baby's up at night, they're probably 888 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: going to be amenable to a nice nap the next day, 889 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: and whichever parent was up is entitled to a nice downtime, 890 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: so you can and kind of make a trade off there. 891 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't I mean, this is still a 892 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: hard issue, but I think I think you have to 893 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: revisit the idea of sharing a little bit more and 894 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: maybe altering some of the details surrounding your vacation. Not 895 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: give up traveling completely, but see what you can do 896 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: to make things easier. Yeah, we definitely went the trade 897 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 1: off the morning route with Alex getting up as early 898 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: as he did, and there have been some miserable wake ups. 899 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I love this question, Like she is asking, 900 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: is the sense is there advice for travel with kids 901 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: who sleep poorly on Nature's Like, No, there is no advice, 902 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 1: Like it's just gonna happen, Like you know, this is 903 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: the reality of you know, time zone changes, of being 904 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: in a different place. There's nothing really different about her 905 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: kids this way. This happens to many, many kids, and 906 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 1: this is one of the reasons that families often find 907 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 1: it difficult to travel with young kids. And this is 908 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,879 Speaker 1: where we often go into that thing of the experiencing 909 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: self and the remembering self. That the remembering self is 910 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: probably still gonna be glad you took a trip as 911 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: a family and had a good time and all that stuff, like, 912 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: you'll probably remember some fun adventures from it. The experience 913 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: itself will wind up up at three am in California 914 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: when you flew from the East Coast and your baby 915 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: would normally wake up at six am, and now you're 916 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: up at three. We've definitely had that happen. And yeah, 917 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you can get your own house like 918 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: through Verbo or home away or whatever Airbnb, and that 919 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: is definitely a we would recommend that so that you 920 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: don't have that, I mean, particularly with that crying issue. Yeah, 921 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: because sometimes it's true, ten minutes of crying will will end, 922 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: and then but ten minutes of crying for somebody who 923 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 1: wasn't planning to have a baby cry in the middle 924 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: of the night and is in the room next to 925 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: you could result in them calling the hotel desk. Who 926 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: then they're calling you, And like, I mean, it's just 927 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: all all bad in many ways. But yeah, you know, 928 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: we've I've had a lot of early morning walks as 929 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: a result. Like I have this fond memory, even though 930 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: it was terrible. I mean, Alex was waking up at 931 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: like four forty five am and we were at Rehoboth 932 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: Beach with extended family on vacation, but had long stroller 933 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: walks along the boardwalk and saw the most amazing sunrises 934 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: over the Atlantic because the sunrises that side over the water. 935 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: So did he fall asleep? He probably, No, that'sn't mind 936 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: you They wake up an you take him for a 937 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: stroller run and then they're asleep in the stroller in 938 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Yeah, did not happen. Did not happen. But 939 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, and I understand that. I get your husband's 940 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: point about it's you know, kind of miserable to be 941 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: alone with the kid in the morning, but it's you know, 942 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of be miserable anyway. Like I mean, you 943 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: at least think of yourself as giving a gift to 944 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: your spouse in that moment that your spouse will give 945 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: a gift to you as well, and you know, watch 946 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,439 Speaker 1: TV or something if you need other voices to keep 947 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 1: you company. And it's funny. I actually throte back to 948 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: this person and suggested white noise and she goes, oh, 949 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: my husband hates white noise. Well, so he's just very 950 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: particular in a lot of ways. I don't know. Well, 951 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: we have to sort that out, all right. So love 952 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,800 Speaker 1: of the week. So my love of the week is 953 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 1: related to our half on half off weeks. But what 954 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: are the real upsides of self employment to me? I mean, 955 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: some people would think of the downside like I Am 956 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: not taking a real vacation, like I've scheduled calls at 957 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: different points, I've got stuff I still have to do, 958 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, working one day during the week and then 959 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: not or whatever. But the truth is it enables you 960 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: to do more travel and to take more weeks that 961 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 1: are partially off, because if I'm you know, working five 962 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 1: to ten hours during the week, then it's okay to 963 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: take the week and go somewhere, Whereas if I had 964 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: to do zero hours, while we wouldn't go, I mean, 965 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: it just wouldn't happen. So this half on, half off 966 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: I think that you might drive some people crazy, but 967 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,360 Speaker 1: for me, I actually think it's a really good schedule benefit. 968 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 1: That's excellent. My love of the week. If you are 969 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: looking for an extremely juicy and you know one of 970 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: those propelling that what's the very word propulsive? I don't know. Anyway, 971 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 1: a book that's just going to make you want to 972 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 1: keep reading it, and keep reading and keep reading it. 973 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: The Mother in Law by Sally Hepworth highly highly recommend. 974 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 1: It's been my favorite read the summer, and I've been 975 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 1: reading a lot this summer. Awesome. All right, well, this 976 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: has been best of both worlds. This has been episode 977 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: one oh two. We have been talking about our routines 978 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,440 Speaker 1: and our Q two or Q three goals, as the 979 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: case may be. We'll be back next week with more 980 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: on making work in life fit together. Thanks for listening. 981 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 1: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 982 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,359 Speaker 1: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can 983 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 984 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us 985 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: next time for more on making work and life work together. 986 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: Four