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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: Rhett back with you as we march towards the weekend.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking so much about the playoffs, recapping games,

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Speaker 1: previewing games. But boys, it's uh, it's that time of year. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm bat, I'm bat and lead off in the mock draft.

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Speaker 1: You are in the two hole. You have got one.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you already, you're already starting to plug away

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Speaker 1: on it. But we've got one that we can digest

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Speaker 1: today and then you got you're up next week. Man,

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Speaker 1: you got you got yours next week?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a lot of a lot of fun, I

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Speaker 2: guess getting on that. Sorry, kind of deliberating and kind

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Speaker 2: of figure out I move around to uh, the fire

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Speaker 2: up fan base is all over the place.

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Speaker 3: It would be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yes, rhtt we you said yours to the end, you know, Rhett.

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Speaker 1: Rhett likes to just lay back in the weeds and

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Speaker 1: wait until the d and then slips his right underneath

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Speaker 1: the couture's door. Yeah got you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's it's gonna be Yeah, it's gonna be big.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna big this year. It has been coming a

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Speaker 4: little bit sooner. I'm usually more of a Draft week guy,

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Speaker 4: but by popular demand, people need it a little bit

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Speaker 4: ahead of time. So it's moving up a week. It's

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Speaker 4: been moving up a week a week a year, as

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Speaker 4: Paths of the Draft has been moving back a week

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Speaker 4: and a week a year. But we're we're gonna eventually

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Speaker 4: we're gonna align right there. I might just be the

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Speaker 4: first episode of Pass of the Draft.

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Speaker 1: Who knows Path to the Draft is on its way

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Speaker 1: to being the day but you know, starting and ending

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Speaker 1: the day before the draft. But I mean, we used

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Speaker 1: used to be like two months a Path of the Draft.

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Speaker 4: Oh and now, by the way, it's like two weeks

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Speaker 4: till the combine, so oh, I know. And that's what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going fast. All right, boys? You ready for

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Speaker 1: this thing? Yeah, let's go. Let's get I'm gonna rattle

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Speaker 1: and then we'll pick it apart and have some fun here.

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go the Chicago Bears. I have

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Speaker 1: the Bears trading justin Fields, taking Caleb Williams with the

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Speaker 1: Jade Daniels going three to the Patriots. Marvin Harrison Junior,

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Speaker 1: I had them taking Rome at doomsday, the wide receiver

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Speaker 1: The Falcons in their ever forever pursuit of pass rushers

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Speaker 2: We talked about passers, pass catchers, pass rushers, and pass protectors,

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Speaker 4: the top ten DJ, none of them named Oluvashanu, who

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Speaker 1: Their tape was better this year. And I did Fashanu

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Speaker 1: It's not a concrete statement, but when they say there's

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Speaker 1: But I ended up going with Drake prototypical, the size,

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Speaker 2: If it was the cards on the thing, like, how

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Speaker 2: Ahead and no, because like so, here's the thing, and

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Speaker 2: I would even say Michael Pennix played better. What goes

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Speaker 2: in Drake May's favor is he's the prototype, right size, arm, talent,

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Speaker 1: The ball, I can, I can I give you one thing,

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Speaker 1: I've got Jane Daniels, who now has put on weight.

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Speaker 1: Now he's not like he was. I just at Arizona

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure, even though that's not like on my

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on that because everything last year, if

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Speaker 2: How we saw him play in the offense, he's from

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about, like what do we do with all this?

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Speaker 4: So it makes sense to me last thing I'll say

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Speaker 4: you look at both those guys, I think there's some

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Speaker 4: congruencies with players we've seen come out of at that position,

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Speaker 4: and we were talking about Sam Howell as a potential

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Speaker 4: obviously that's not happening here with Drake May. But then

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Speaker 4: year to year production can ultimately affect how a prospect

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Speaker 4: obviously is viewed. And then with Jaden Daniels, doesn't this

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Speaker 4: the outside. And Brian Thomas and Lak Neighbors, and I

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Speaker 1: Hereditch, yeah, and you guys brought it up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is not my top fifty list a mock draft.

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Speaker 1: I would say, I feel feel pretty confident Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: then there's going to be a fight between these other

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Speaker 1: go along. But make no mistake, the tape on Jayden

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Speaker 1: Daniels is really good. The one thing I would say

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Speaker 1: got to do a better job of protecting himself. You

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's say quick break, we come back. We'll

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Speaker 1: jump in to pick number eleven. Keep this train moving,

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Speaker 1: all right, guys, I'll rip off eleven to twenty here

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Speaker 1: and then pick out where you want to go. Eleven

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Speaker 1: is Byron Murphy, defensive tackle to the Minnesota Vikings. Twelve

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Speaker 1: is Terry and Arnold Corner, who I think is the

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Speaker 1: the Denver broncos Pi with patz er Tan. How about

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Speaker 1: that tandem. To be honest with you, my nuclear mock,

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Speaker 1: bad at corner. I thought this will be an option

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Speaker 1: at thirteen, oh Nicks quarterback, but I mean it just

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Speaker 1: swallowed hard to the New Orleans Saints at fourteen, Rock Bowers.

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Speaker 1: The tight end is going to be interesting discussion based

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Speaker 1: off the talent versus the positional value. He goes fifteen

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Speaker 1: to the Colts. Troy Fontanu or Fatanu. I'll figure that

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Speaker 1: to the Seattle Seahawks at sixteen. Someone who can play guard.

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Speaker 1: play tackle if you needed to as well. They've invested

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Speaker 1: Get to know that name. He's going to run in

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Speaker 1: the LITW fourth thres going to test like a freak.

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Speaker 1: He had a ton of ball production in twenty two,

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Speaker 1: wasn't much much in twenty three. He goes to Bucky's

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Speaker 1: Jags where they have some needs there Cincinnati. JC Latham

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Speaker 1: I mean he's again. You shake up these tackles and

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Speaker 1: very talented. He was going nineteen there to the Rams

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Speaker 1: twenty Why not go shopping at the same store. The

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Speaker 1: through twenty. Rhtt. I'll let you have the first crack

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Well, okay, well that's that's where I was going.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, yeah, let's just let's jump right in

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he's quite the athlete that that

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Speaker 4: Taysom Hill is, but I do. I do think that's

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Speaker 4: if you're gonna go with the Saints there, you know,

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Speaker 4: why not Michael Pennix? Why not JJ McCarthy. How much

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Speaker 4: cool to see them down there again, maybe on opposite

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Speaker 4: teams for round three with Nix and Pennix after they're

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Speaker 4: this year was really fun watching those two guys and

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Speaker 4: they gotta have one, whether this is it for Derek

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Speaker 4: for Derek Carr. It does feel like the quarterback succession

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Speaker 4: we have waited far too long to figure out, you know,

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Speaker 4: since Drew Brees has left, and even before he was

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Speaker 4: with that buck with BOTNICKX to the Saints, and then

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Speaker 4: I've got some questions on Bowers too after that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so here's what I'll say about and watching him

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Speaker 1: Sixty one stars.

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Speaker 2: And so if we're doing this and we talk about

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Speaker 2: Strode out, but when people are looking at rock Pretty

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Speaker 3: One thing that we can say about Botnix Is both.

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Speaker 2: Learned how to win impact big games while he was

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Speaker 2: at Oregon, took all of that experience, the negative experiences

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Speaker 2: he's mature. He has great and tangibles. He has enough talent,

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Speaker 2: to like about him. It's just just whether does that

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Speaker 3: People'll talk about quarterbacks being pushed up.

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Speaker 2: I could see that conversation heating up around bo Nix,

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Speaker 2: Michael Pennix, and JJ McCarthy as people trying to sort

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Speaker 1: All right, so I'll give you my Bonnx here. Let's

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Speaker 1: and kind of where that is and his evaluation and

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Speaker 1: through things. The ball is out, it's where it needs

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Speaker 1: to be, it's on time, it's accurate. I think his

431
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Speaker 1: arm is going to be the big question mark. How

432
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Speaker 1: much you know, how much horsepower does he have in

433
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Speaker 1: that arm. I'm going to get a chance and to

434
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Speaker 1: see him down there as a Senior Bowl, and I'll

435
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Speaker 1: have an answer to that question. I have a feeling

436
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Speaker 1: that the arm's going to be better than people think

437
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Speaker 1: once they get a chance to be around him and

438
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Speaker 1: watch him spend it. Ret you've probably seen him at Manning,

439
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Speaker 1: I would imagine he's really good. So yeah, yeah, I

440
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Speaker 1: think he'll be able to spin it better than people anticipate.

441
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Speaker 1: So now with the experience, with all that he's got,

442
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Speaker 1: he's ready to go. Now it. We talked about two

443
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Speaker 1: of the other day. We talked about the Dolphins, and

444
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Speaker 1: we said they built their team a certain way. That

445
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Speaker 1: team was not built to go play in minus thirty

446
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Speaker 1: degree Windshiel, I don't think you're Bo Nicks. I don't

447
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Speaker 1: think if you're the you know, if you're the New

448
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Speaker 1: York Jets, do you take bow Knicks. No, I don't

449
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Speaker 1: think he fits there in New Orleans Saints, where we

450
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Speaker 1: saw what Drew Brees did for his career in that building,

451
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Speaker 1: in that environment, in that atmosphere, as an anticipation, accurate,

452
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Speaker 1: quick decision maker. I've seen this episode before, and Drew

453
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Speaker 1: Brees somebody who played a lot of football in college.

454
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Speaker 1: Somebody was very accomplished. So I don't use that lightly

455
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Speaker 1: when I throw around the Drew Brees comp But I

456
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Speaker 1: think this guy from an intelligence, maturity, accuracy, anticipation, athleticism

457
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Speaker 1: even is comparable to Drew. And Drew came into the league.

458
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Speaker 1: He could move around pretty good. I like him. I

459
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Speaker 1: think he's a good football player. He's not for everybody,

460
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Speaker 1: but I thought in New Orleans, I think he'd be

461
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Speaker 1: the best quarterback option that they'd have. I'm waiting for

462
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Speaker 1: the pushback here, where's the put Well?

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Speaker 2: I would say this because we talked about like your

464
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Speaker 2: quarterback being built for the location. Okay, well, the benefit

465
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Speaker 2: of bow Knick's playing in New Orleans is not only

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Speaker 2: the games that he plays in New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: So that's eight or nine day he's going to play inside.

468
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Speaker 2: The Atlanta Falcons play inside, So now that makes us

469
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Speaker 2: go up to maybe ten. Tampa Bay Buccaneers play outside,

470
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Speaker 2: but it's warm weather. Talking about eleven games and favorable

471
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Speaker 2: conditions and Carolina, depending on when you play them, he

472
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Speaker 2: may play twelve games in control conditions where if the

473
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Speaker 2: arm is an issue, it's not really a major issue.

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Speaker 1: I believe this.

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Speaker 2: People have talked about John Gruten not initially joining the

476
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Speaker 2: staff but kind of being around. To me, bow Knicks

477
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Speaker 2: is a John Gruten type quarterback. And so if you're

478
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Speaker 2: Dennis Allen, you're leaning on someone that maybe you regard

479
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Speaker 2: as a mentor, who is Derek Carr like because they

480
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Speaker 2: have an affinity for Derek Carr, where bo Nis could

481
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Speaker 2: certainly fall into that category and kind of move up

482
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Speaker 2: the charts as they're looking for someone to be the

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Speaker 2: air appearent to Derek Carr.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would touch on Ret's question two here. I

485
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Speaker 1: know you mentioned Broc Bowers. Bowers is going to be

486
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Speaker 1: one of those ones where top fifty, well, my top

487
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Speaker 1: fifty list comes out probably going to be one on

488
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Speaker 1: my top five to seven players in the entire draft.

489
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Speaker 1: And then you just have to make that decision of

490
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Speaker 1: where you are at the tight end position and how

491
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Speaker 1: high you want to take a tight end because Kyle

492
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Speaker 1: Pitts was the most talented tight end that I've ever

493
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Speaker 1: evaluated and hasn't hasn't moved the needle for that team.

494
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Speaker 1: Plus what the cost of what you're paying that rookie

495
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Speaker 1: tight end versus the top of the market of tight

496
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Speaker 1: ends and free agency. It's not like you're get into

497
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Speaker 1: big savings. Whereas if I take a wide receiver up there,

498
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver money, now we're pushing up to thirty

499
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Speaker 1: million bucks of years where that market's headed. So now

500
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Speaker 1: you're getting significant value if you get a wide receiver

501
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Speaker 1: on a rookie contract versus a tight end first round

502
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Speaker 1: tight end on a rookie contract, there's less. I guess

503
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Speaker 1: surplus value would be the would be the proper term there.

504
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Speaker 4: But my question on that on that part was like,

505
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Speaker 4: at some point are we going to get too caught

506
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Speaker 4: up in the the tags right in those those sort

507
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Speaker 4: of distinctions with wide receiver with tight end, Like, could

508
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Speaker 4: you make an argument for you know, I know your

509
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Speaker 4: grade's going to be higher on Roma duneesay than it

510
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Speaker 4: is on rock Bowers, but obviously at different positions, But

511
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Speaker 4: could you make an argument that I gave at a target.

512
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Speaker 1: I gave Neighbors and brock Bauers the same grade. So

513
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Speaker 1: that's a good jump there.

514
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Speaker 4: So he's right up in there, right, So I have

515
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Speaker 4: Neighbors going.

516
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Speaker 1: With the sixth pick, so and and literally like kind

517
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Speaker 1: of once you go down through the list, he gets

518
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Speaker 1: to I mean really I kind of have the same grades.

519
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Speaker 1: Fuaga is like my last one there, so I would

520
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Speaker 1: say he would be he would probably be between Jared

521
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Speaker 1: Vers and Fuaga just like he's in that grade in

522
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Speaker 1: that range. So you're talking about anywhere from like seven

523
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Speaker 1: to ten is probably where he slots in. Like you say, Okay,

524
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Speaker 1: now he's a higher graded player than who I have

525
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Speaker 1: going there, you know. Yeah, And but here's the thing.

526
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. The Lions. The Lions are going to

527
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Speaker 1: be a great example. The Lions built out the infrastructure, right,

528
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Speaker 1: they built out the offensive line, they built out the

529
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Speaker 1: defensive line, and then they had the quarterback in place.

530
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Speaker 1: So guess what, Now you have that stuff in place.

531
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Speaker 1: I can take Jamiir Gibbs, I can take Jack Campbell.

532
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Speaker 1: I can go outside the premier positions in the first

533
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Speaker 1: round once the house is the foundations built. But I

534
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Speaker 1: think it'd be hard to take the tight end if

535
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Speaker 1: you don't have those foundational things in place. Offensive line,

536
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Speaker 1: defensive line, quarterback. I think those things. And even with

537
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Speaker 1: Amen Rod, they even had the receivers, the receiver in

538
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Speaker 1: place before they decided.

539
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Speaker 4: Struck on that in the fourth round. Yeah, I mean

540
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Speaker 4: not everybody can say that.

541
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Speaker 2: And the other thing you talk about the tight ends,

542
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Speaker 2: I think everyone is going to look around. Much like

543
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Speaker 2: we look at running backs, They're gonna look around at

544
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Speaker 2: the recent success.

545
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Speaker 3: Of Sam look Water too. Maybe look at Luke musk Grave.

546
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Speaker 4: I mean the quarter quandary with Kyle Petress there high right, Yeah,

547
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Speaker 4: and that's when they traded.

548
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Speaker 1: It's been a great it's been a really good party,

549
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Speaker 1: but they traded.

550
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So so I think people may it may be

551
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Speaker 2: the last consideration in the first round. You may look

552
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Speaker 2: at other positions, but we say, okay, let's go get

553
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Speaker 2: the tight end.

554
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Speaker 1: Yeah. But that being said, you know if the Chargers

555
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Speaker 1: took him with the fifth pick, Hey, he's a great player.

556
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Speaker 1: You've got your left tackle in place, and Slater, you've

557
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: got your quarterback in place in Herbert, depending on what

558
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: they do with with you know, with Bosa and Mack,

559
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Speaker 1: They've they've got a lot of those premier positions in place.

560
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Speaker 1: So that would be the team I would circle as

561
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Speaker 1: a team in the top that would do bours. I

562
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Speaker 1: would say the Chargers at five would be one.

563
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Speaker 4: That's what I would think.

564
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you would throw them into the mix there, Yeah,

565
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Speaker 1: because they have those pieces in place. I would say.

566
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Speaker 4: Also in LA, I think the law to selection to

567
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Speaker 4: to Los Angeles to the Rams is pretty interesting because

568
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Speaker 4: this is what their first first round pick in I

569
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Speaker 4: don't know, a decade forever, it feels like, but they

570
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Speaker 4: have really hit on the day two picks, in particular

571
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Speaker 4: Day three too, obviously with Puka this year, but with

572
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Speaker 4: Kobe Turner, with Byron Young. I mean, they have really

573
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Speaker 4: started to nail those Day two picks. And now you

574
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Speaker 4: can go and with your first first round pick, and

575
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Speaker 4: however many years it's been, you go get one of

576
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Speaker 4: those blue Chippers who we've been talking about on previous podcasts.

577
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 4: There's a reason why edge guys go up early, right

578
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Speaker 4: There's a reason why we're talking about all these teams

579
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Speaker 4: that are in the postseason right now that have gone

580
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 4: heavy on the edge rush. And obviously the you know,

581
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Speaker 4: the Rams being a playoff team, aren't going to be

582
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Speaker 4: drafting up in the top ten. But to get you know,

583
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Speaker 4: a high end talent like that in Latsu at nineteen

584
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Speaker 4: and a premier edge rusher and at a premier position.

585
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 4: This totally makes sense and fits with how we talk

586
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 4: about we like to build out rosters.

587
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Speaker 1: Yep, no question. But the other thing I mentioned them

588
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Speaker 1: with a quarterback, if you look at if you look

589
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Speaker 1: at Shanahan and McVeigh as you know, kissing cousins in

590
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: terms of what they do offensively, and you look at

591
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: what brock Purdy's done, do you think that's why, Like

592
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Speaker 1: Bo Knicks to me, if he does, if he doesn't

593
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Speaker 1: go there, I would think he the Rams wanting to

594
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Speaker 1: plan for the future and saying we don't have to

595
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: we don't have to play a guy right away. But

596
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Speaker 1: I've literally he've already seen the test case. Like if

597
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Speaker 1: you put brock Purdy and Bo Knicks on a field

598
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: and did a private workout and went through all the stuff. Yeah,

599
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: I don't think it looks all that just similar to

600
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Speaker 1: be to be totally honest with you, and we've seen

601
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Speaker 1: how efficient that offense can operate with the guys. Yeah,

602
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: go ahead buck the other thing with the rams.

603
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Speaker 3: And you talk about like a bow Nix or a

604
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Speaker 3: type like that.

605
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: Because they've had so much success hitting on guys that

606
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: are mature, bo Nix is going to be all on that,

607
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like just a maturity standpoint.

608
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 2: You think about pooking the two, how mature he was,

609
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: that's going to be something that I think they.

610
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Speaker 3: Begin to hang their hat on.

611
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: We're going to make sure that we get the grown

612
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: ups in the room that can come in and handle

613
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: all the things that come along with being a pro,

614
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: and we can get that production right away.

615
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. And as we go through the rest of this

616
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Speaker 1: list here, I do want to hit while we're talking quarterbacks,

617
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: I don't have bo Nix in here. I don't have

618
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy in here. And I'll give you the Michael Pennick.

619
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Speaker 1: Sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry, Yeah, Penis and Pennox and McCarthy,

620
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Speaker 1: So Pennix. Look, the semi final game was amazing. We

621
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Speaker 1: talked about it. Just driving the ball, throwing seeds. Rhtt.

622
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Speaker 1: You've known him going all the way back to Indiana.

623
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Speaker 1: The reason they didn't have him in there two Part

624
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Speaker 1: number one. I want to learn more on the medical

625
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: side of things. All the injuries that teams were concerned about,

626
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: So I want to learn what the long term looks like.

627
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: They're from the injury standpoint, the durability standpoint. So I

628
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: don't have that answered yet at this time. I will,

629
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: so we'll get to that. The other thing is I

630
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: want to see him at the Senior Bowl up close, too,

631
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: because the questions I have about him as a passer

632
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: are some of the touch things, some of the up

633
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: and over, up and down throws, I should say, those

634
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: second level touch throws. I thought he struggled to control

635
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 1: that a little bit. The more that I stuyed him,

636
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: the more that I watched him, everything was flat and firm,

637
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: like the Wold throws are the skinny posts, driving the

638
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: ball deep down the field. He throws a beautiful deep ball,

639
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: the best deep ball in the draft, I mean, loft beautiful.

640
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: The up and down throws over linebackers under safeties that

641
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: require a player touch layered throws another great word. That's

642
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: what I want to see. And that's why you go

643
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Speaker 1: to an All Star game, That's why you do the combine,

644
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Speaker 1: that's why you go to Pro days, because you want

645
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: to see these different you know, clubs in your bag,

646
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: so to speak. I know he's got the driver. I

647
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: want to see how, you know, how he is just

648
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: getting that ball up and down. Buck. Yeah, it looks.

649
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: It's a big part of it.

650
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: And it's the lasting image, right, The lasting image that

651
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: we have with Michael Pennix is him kind of like

652
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: trudging off the field holding his ribs, looking like he's

653
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 2: been beat to a pulp by Michigan's defense. And so

654
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: what it did is it brings all of those injury

655
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: concerns right back front of mine. And so if you're

656
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: a scout there, if you're watching the TV copy all

657
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: that other stuff, it does remind you, Ay, he's had.

658
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: A couple issues. Let's make sure they were fully confident

659
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: in that.

660
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: And then because the game was so up and down

661
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: and out of whack for I watched an offense that

662
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: the kind of rolled through everybody. You then kind of

663
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: want to kind of reserve judgment on how big of

664
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Speaker 2: a grade you want to put on him until you

665
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: can kind of get around him at the Senior Bowl

666
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: and see some of the other stuff that you can't

667
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: really see when you're just studying tape.

668
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: And on JJ McCarthy. I haven't done enough on him

669
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: yet to put him in there, So he was a

670
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: late declaire. I didn't think he was coming out to

671
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: balance you. I thought he was going back to school

672
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: till last minute. I've done a little bit on him,

673
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: but not enough to feel comfortable enough to stamp him

674
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: and put him in the first round. So not saying

675
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: neither of those guys you know don't end up in

676
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: there when it's all said and done, and not saying

677
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: they won't have a prominent place on the top fifty

678
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: when that comes out, but information I have right now

679
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: incomplete didn't put him in there. All right, let's go

680
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: through the remainder of the list here of this mock

681
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: draft twenty one to the Dolphins. I had fun with

682
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: this one. I said, screw it, let's take Brian Thomas Jimson.

683
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: Let's just take Brian Thomas Junior, and let's throw him

684
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: in there. With Tyreek Hill and Waddall. Give him some

685
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: size to go along with the undersized speed merchants and

686
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: he can fly to I think it'd be a fun

687
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: weapon to have, especially if they're going to pay to

688
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: a I get another reason to make him look even

689
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: better than he did this past year. Tyler Geiden to

690
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: the Eagles a tackle from Oklahoma. As they are getting

691
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: to the end of the line with one tackle from

692
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Lane Johnson. They go back to Oklahoma and

693
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: they get Tyler Guidon chop Robinson edge rusher going to Houston.

694
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: He's got big tig juice. He's gonna run like in

695
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: the low four fours. He's a free so you put

696
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: him in there opposite of Will Anderson, last year's first

697
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: round pick, Jordan Morgan. Tyron Smith is aging and he's

698
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: up from a contract standpoint. They get Jordan Morgan tackle

699
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: from Arizona. The Green Bay Packers have a type of

700
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: offensive linemen they like. It's versatile guys who are intelligent.

701
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: Graham Barton could play all five spots at a duke

702
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: had him going to the Packers. One of my favorite corners,

703
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: Ennis ray Castraw from Missouri going to the Tampa Bay Bucks.

704
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: Cooper dejen the playmaking machine out at Iowa going to

705
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, who again I think he could play

706
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: any spot in the secondary and also give a special

707
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: teams value. Davontees walker Man. How about two tar heels

708
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: going in the first round to the Kansas City Chiefs

709
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: to wide out team up with Rashi Rice. Give them

710
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: a nice one to two punch there. Of young players,

711
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: now we get to kind of the best available portion

712
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: on the bottom of the first round. I have Newton

713
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: the DT from Illinois going to the Buffalo Bills, who's

714
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: got some pass rush inside. Nate Wiggins, who's going to

715
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: be a really really big time tester, hightweight speed corner

716
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: out of Clemson going to the Lions who laid McKinstry

717
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: other corner out of Alabama. He goes thirty one to

718
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: San Francisco, who you know, the question on him, he's

719
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: going to need to run. Well, that's the that's the

720
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: concern with him and the evaluation process, the combine the

721
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: pro day will be big for him to just kind

722
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: of alleviate some of those concerns. And then Troy Franklin,

723
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: let's finish up with another wide receiver the Baltimore Ravens.

724
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: They were stacked in that room. Now with Jay Flowers

725
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: doing what he did last year, Obj doing his thing,

726
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: and now you throw Troy Franklin in the mix, who

727
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: can really really go as well as Bateman. So they

728
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: that would be a fun group there for Lamar Jackson.

729
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: There you have it. That's mock one zero.

730
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Speaker 3: Boys.

731
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Speaker 4: Boy, let me just jumps off the page to me

732
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 4: right now, is Chop Robinson joining Jonathan Gernard and Will

733
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 4: Anderson down in Houston.

734
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Speaker 1: That is Yeah, I should have mentioned by the way,

735
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: he is coming off of a big year.

736
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, just some serious juice right there. I

737
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 4: mean I've watched I've watched Chop Robinson, you know rec games.

738
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Speaker 4: I mean against big time competition like the Michigan game.

739
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 4: He almost ruined it for Michigan and it's probably part

740
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Speaker 4: of the reason why they decided not to throw the

741
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 4: football Michigan in the second half because Chop was destroying

742
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 4: the right side of their offensive line. He's a stuff.

743
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 4: He's also one of those dudes that I view kind

744
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 4: of like TJ. Watt and kind of like Aiden Hutchinson

745
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: who can end a game. He's a closer at the end.

746
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: Fortunately it was on the wrong side of that, and

747
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 4: the I U was on a verge of an upset,

748
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 4: and he put he put an end to it at

749
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: the at the very end with a strip sack, you know, fumble.

750
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: It was fantastic. He's just I mean, major burst, major juice.

751
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: Love that.

752
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 4: And then I love that he's sandwiched in there between

753
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: three tackles as you as you kind of get all that,

754
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: all that going might take three tackles.

755
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: Uh I no, no kidding, What do you got about?

756
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: Man?

757
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: No, Look, I think it's interesting, right when we talk

758
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: about a draft that may not have like twenty two

759
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: to twenty four true first rounders, to see so many

760
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: skill guys go the combine would be the great separator

761
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: for a lot of these guys. How they run, how

762
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: they jump, what they look like catching passes, both guys

763
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: pass catchers and defensive So it should be a fun

764
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: thing to watch.

765
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: Should be fun. They even he did the order for

766
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: the combine for us so we can see it.

767
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 4: One last one for you here, DJ that I saw

768
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 4: in person was Gerson Johnny Newton at Illinois. I think

769
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 4: that's actually an interesting one there in Buffalo because there

770
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: is a little Ed Oliver there as like a smaller

771
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 4: interior player's person quickness. I mean, you go watch that

772
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 4: Minnesota game, the way he beats that right tackle and

773
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 4: then chases the quarterback all the way off to the

774
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 4: left side, like and I think he's got a little

775
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 4: bit of that scheme versatility and where you can use him,

776
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 4: you know, up and down the line, which will be

777
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 4: pretty valuable for a team, especially down there at the

778
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: end of the first round.

779
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he's a he's a good football player. And

780
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: again that's when you start getting down to the bottom.

781
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: You start just going, Okay, who are the best available

782
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: guys still out there? And not not so much need

783
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: based Again, this is one point zero. We haven't got

784
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: the free agency. There's a lot that's gonna change. I'll

785
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: watch a lot more guys. Lock it in, Yeah, lock

786
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: it in. We'll see some of the names get in

787
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: here as a as I continue to work through the tape.

788
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: But buck, Man, you're gonna be up. You're gonna be

789
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: up next man. So I'm looking forward to that one.

790
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's it's interesting to see at the very

791
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: top how that changes the dominoes. I just know like

792
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: if I was going to go back to one more point,

793
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: I was in that building in New England against the

794
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: Chargers and it was so dead in there. It was

795
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: so boring. And they've seen so much good football over

796
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: the years, and they have to take a quarterback, take

797
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: a exciting quarterback. And that's why I think we're gonna

798
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: see three quarterbacks go one, two, three when it's all

799
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: said and done.

800
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing you talk about they they need

801
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: some excitement or whatever. Like like you think about Jaden

802
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: Daniels and what he does if he plays the way

803
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: that he play the L s U in terms of

804
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: like the run pass threat and giving them some sizzle

805
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: and some juice. Yeah, Like that's something that they haven't seen.

806
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: They haven't had an opportunity to see a dynamic player

807
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: at that position. Despite all the time Brady's success, they

808
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: haven't seen kind of like that new school quarterback kind

809
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: of play in Julette.

810
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again we'll see the you know, I think

811
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good fight, a good battle between

812
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: Drake May and Jade and Daniels as we go, you know,

813
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: through this entire process, we'll see how it all shakes out.

814
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: One more thing, guys. I was gonna tell you this.

815
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: I had a recommendation to uh, a person who's involved

816
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: in interviews for these coaches and GM jobs. I was

817
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: talking to someone who's been in the room and they're

818
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: part of this decision group as they're trying to make

819
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: this call, and I said, can we I think it

820
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: would be very you know, fan friendly. If like the

821
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: dunk contest where you just hold up like a number

822
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: like number nine ten. I like the interview, like, just

823
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: give me like a number that was eight five eight

824
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: five on that interview and then we kind of follow

825
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: it along. You know. That was my contribution.

826
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 4: It will average it out from inside the room.

827
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got the owner, you got the owner, the president,

828
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, the else is in there, just like ten ten,

829
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: step oh seven he gave him. He didn't like one

830
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: of the answers in there. He only gave us on

831
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, you got to take yeah question, that's great.

832
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

833
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: Anyways, I appreciate it. I hope you guys have enjoyed

834
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: this one. This is officially the Move the Sticks podcast

835
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: kickoff the draft season that we've got mock drafts out again. Bucky,

836
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: you'll have one next week. We'll have uh buck, you'll

837
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Speaker 1: have his top fives by position coming out in the future.

838
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: I'll have my top fifty coming out in the future.

839
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: And hey uh to those who are patient, you will

840
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: get the ret Lewis one and only one point zero

841
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: mock draft come in. He likes to wait, to wait

842
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: to the end. All right, that he likes to wait

843
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: to the end. He likes to wait to the end,

844
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: all right. Appreciate you guys listening, and we'll see you

845
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Speaker 1: next time. Right here, unmove the sticks to