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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to episode one four to eight

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Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory Podcast. I am your host, Brad rolland

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Speaker 1: coming to you Onday Sunday evening post Super Bowl edition

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Speaker 1: of the Hemy Territory Podcast. We are part of the

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Speaker 1: follow Territory Network, but check got the entire network, and

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Speaker 1: we cover the Atlanta Braves all year round on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Please subscribe, rate, review, tell your friends, help us spread

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Speaker 1: the world. We definitely appreciate that. And usually I am

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Speaker 1: not by myself and later on I'll be joined by

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Speaker 1: my usual co host, Scott Coleman. I should say also

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Speaker 1: we have some recent episodes that you should get definitely

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Speaker 1: listening to, focusing heavily on Specish Fallenbach, Michael Harris, Marcelo Zuna,

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Speaker 1: plus full coverage of a Jergson profar signing with the Braves,

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Speaker 1: and recent visits from Battler Baseball America and Kyle Glazer

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Speaker 1: from our partners over there at Friar Territory covering the Padres.

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Speaker 1: And again I'll have Scott with me momentarily to discuss

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Speaker 1: Ozzie Albi's in deep Dive fashion Ozzi's player capsule. Basically,

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Speaker 1: we've been doing these player capsule looks at different players

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Speaker 1: on the roster who are keys to the both past,

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Speaker 1: present and future really of the Braves. And we recorded

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Speaker 1: this a few days ago, partially in an effort to

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Speaker 1: avoid recording during the Super Bowl, and of course this year,

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Speaker 1: if you watch the game, it was not terribly competitive.

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Speaker 1: But I'm recording this post super Bowl in quick fashion.

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Speaker 1: But also we like to keep the content flowing here

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Speaker 1: at Hammer Territory, so that is coming up in just

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Speaker 1: one moment. But I should say it's with football over.

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Speaker 1: It's officially for everyone baseball and basically it always is

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Speaker 1: for us. We are talking about baseball all year round

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Speaker 1: on this podcast, but also pitchers and catchers report. This week, yes,

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Speaker 1: this week is going to be You'll be starting to

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Speaker 1: see truck videos and players getting out of their car

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Speaker 1: with all their stuff and stretching and getting loose at

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. It's happening right now. Basically, people are

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Speaker 1: en route to Florida and Arizona for the brands. It's Florida,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. And look, it's still very early in the

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Speaker 1: process here, even though the season is sort of looming

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Speaker 1: now as we sort of pivot collectively as a country.

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Speaker 1: to kind of do both in some respects, and moves

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Speaker 1: well as during screen training. Guys will get hurt, they'll

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Speaker 1: be signings, they'll be trades. But most of the autison

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Speaker 1: work has been done across baseball, for instance, like people

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Speaker 1: the Cubs, I believe, had their guys report today on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: So we're getting very much there. And I want to

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Speaker 1: couple of systems of projections that came out in the

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Speaker 1: And I always will say this, this is not gospel.

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Speaker 1: This stuff is wrong sometimes, but it is a good

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Speaker 1: you'll get more outliers, teams will get hurt, somebody will

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Speaker 1: before we get to Azzi. So first, as Fangraphs, which

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Speaker 1: earlier tonight as I'm recording this podcast, Okay, As I

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We have another kind of standalone special edition of the show,

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Speaker 1: part of our ongoing player capsule series during the winter

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Speaker 1: as we get closer and closer to spring training. Today

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Speaker 1: we'll be focused on Ozzi Alby's and I am joined

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Speaker 1: as I always am. Scott Coleman. Hello, sir, how are

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Speaker 2: Brad? I am doing well until a moment ago, and

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Speaker 1: First of all, welcome because I'm older than you, so

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Speaker 1: spoiler alert, a fantastic contract still if you are the team.

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Speaker 1: As a reminder, if you were just join us for

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Speaker 1: like that, we are Hamiltony. We are part of foul Territory.

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Speaker 1: cover the Braves all year round, and we're doing some

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Speaker 2: who get there, especially who need a lot of homers

430
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Speaker 2: in order to really carry their value. Because again, Ozzie's

431
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 2: on base last season was like three hundred and frankly

432
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 2: that's not good enough. But if he's slugging and hitting

433
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 2: the crap out of the baseball, you can live with

434
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 2: it because you trade the power for the on base.

435
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 2: So we'll see. It's kind of a guess as to

436
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 2: every year what baseball, Major League Baseball is gonna throw

437
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 2: out there on opening day. But yeah, I mean again,

438
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: we said it a little while ago. I think we

439
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 2: know who Ozzie is, and I think it's also fair

440
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 2: to say that this Braves team is significantly better when

441
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 2: Ozzie Alby's is doing his thing and being the player

442
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 2: that we know he can be, because you're talking about

443
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 2: a top five or so second basement in the game

444
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 2: when everything is going right.

445
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about his defense at some

446
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: point so we could just do that now. It's polarizing,

447
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: to be sure. Early in his career, like he was

448
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: not seen as this like you know, absolute like goal glover,

449
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 1: but was always like a you know, pretty good defender.

450
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 1: It felt like I think when in the last year

451
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: or two, it's become polarized to the point where like

452
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: some people were just like done watching Ozzie play second base.

453
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: Like you see some reactions they're like, get this guy

454
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: off the field at second base. We all had a

455
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 1: couple of laughing laugh moments last year when when Maryfield

456
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: came in and it was just kind of different than Ozzy,

457
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: especially with the arm. One thing that's not up for

458
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 1: debate is that Ozzie has one of the weaker arms

459
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: you're going to see. He does not throw the baseball

460
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: hard or fast. He does not release the ball fast.

461
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: He does not throw the ball hard. It's pretty rough,

462
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: but there is a bit of a split on his defense.

463
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: The two most prominent metrics are outs above average and

464
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: defensive run Saved. DRS kind of likes Ozzie not incredibly well,

465
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: but like thinks he's fine basically, and outs above Average

466
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: does not. And I wonder where you fall on the

467
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: spectrum of like, please get him off the field and

468
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: have him DH, which obviously the Brives can't do, and

469
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: he's totally fine because I feel like no one's making

470
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: the argument at this point. Maybe you will, Scott, maybe

471
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: maybe you'll shock me and do this that he's really

472
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: really good defensively anymore. But it's like, okay, how bothered

473
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: are you buy his defense? That's kind of the question.

474
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: It's funny, so out above Average absolutely hates Ozzy Alby's, correct.

475
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 2: I mean, like you said he's so bad that he

476
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: should be a DH is like one side of the

477
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,239
Speaker 2: argument here, Like I don't. I don't see that at

478
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: least the old eye test. I think Ozzy Alby's does

479
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 2: a really good job making the plays that he is

480
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 2: supposed to. I don't necessarily remember him making a bunch

481
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 2: of like, holy cow, how on earth did he make

482
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: that play type of plays last year? The arm is bad.

483
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: That is probably my one concern. And I use the

484
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: word concern kind of loosely because second base is probably

485
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 2: the position on the infield where you're not really concerned

486
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: that much about an arm. But you're absolutely right. I mean,

487
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: even Wit Marrifield in his mid late thirties, him turning

488
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 2: double plays compared to the speed that Ozzie turns double

489
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 2: plays was like jarring to me, and even David Fletcher,

490
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: who was like never heard from again after April. David

491
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: Fletcher filled in for a couple of games for Ozzie

492
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: when he got hurt the first time, and even that

493
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: was like, oh, all right, that's what a second baseman

494
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: turning a double play should probably look like, compared to

495
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: the painfully slow urn that Ozzie does more times than not.

496
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 2: So I'm not alarmed by the defense. I think the

497
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: Braves are fine. They're at second base. But if if

498
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 2: he ever falls off even more, maybe this upcoming year,

499
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: then I would really be a little more concerned. Than

500
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: I am. Now.

501
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: I think we agree on that wholeheartedly, and yeah, it

502
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: really comes. It's mostly the double place cause you know,

503
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: occasionally you'll have to range to your right from second

504
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: base and make a difficult throw around second, and that's like,

505
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: he can't really make that play very well. But it's

506
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: mostly the double play turns that they're frustrating. They could

507
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: definitely cost you out. So I'm not going to argue

508
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: he's good, because he's not. But I don't think he's

509
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: a complete and utter disaster in a way that it's

510
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: framed some places. You said it the way that you

511
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: said it well about how he doesn't want to make mistakes.

512
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: I believe I read this at Battery Power, where you

513
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: still work. I'm retired from Battery Power, but a great place,

514
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: and I still read it. I think Ozzie was actually

515
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: like number one in baseball not making errors at second

516
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: base last year. And I'm not a big like use

517
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: errors to judge defense. That's very antiquated because it doesn't

518
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: tell you anything other than it. But if you want

519
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: to say guy makes the play he's supposed to make,

520
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: he's done that, and that's not the highest bar. But

521
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: you know, don't make mistakes. It's like something you can

522
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: kind of get away.

523
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: With most of them. Oh yeah, I mean errors can

524
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 2: just totally tank an inning. Yes, and that's absolutely a

525
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: skill and makes the plays that he is assigned to make.

526
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely And at second base, you know, the Braves, they're

527
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 2: in a position where you have a really good center

528
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 2: fielder behind him, and when he's healthy, you have a

529
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: good right fielder with Ronald Acunya Junior. So he does

530
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 2: have some good support behind him. So if the Braves

531
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: outfield was just terrible, maybe we would feel the impact

532
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: of him not being a super awesome defender a little more.

533
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean sure, I'd love for him to

534
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: bounce back, maybe at least in the eyes of the metrics,

535
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: to just reflect our own eye test of Ozzie. But yeah,

536
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: he's fine. I mean it could be worse.

537
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it actually was a little better last year across

538
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: the board in the metrics than the previous year. It's

539
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: ironic because we just said earlier like twenty twenty three

540
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: was as offensive. He had a great season, but his

541
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: defense was way down the metrics in twenty twenty three.

542
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: Even if the bout average, which is not a fan

543
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: of Aussie, as we just discussed, was a little higher

544
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: on him last year than it was the previous year.

545
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: Part of that was that he played less, but even

546
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: on a per game basis, it was a little bit

547
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: more encouraging. Get out to average would be great. He

548
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: is like, he's not like he's a thirty seven year

549
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: old where he can't possibly get it back like I

550
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: think guys, he might just be able to be okay.

551
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: And also I will say this, we talked about ali

552
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: in Arcia a lot this winter, and we won't do

553
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: that a lot in this podcast. Or Arcia being a

554
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: pretty good defender is helpful. If they were to have

555
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: a worse shortstop, you start to worry a little bit more.

556
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: I would not that those guys interact to too much,

557
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: but like it does, positioning wise, all those things, like

558
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: it's not way as meaningful as it is in the

559
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: outfield where like Michael Harris could cover up for some

560
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: sins and left and right sometimes, but it does help

561
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: a little bit when you have a good shortstop. If you're

562
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: word about second mice.

563
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: So if you had me make a list of what

564
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 2: are my five biggest concerns for the Braves this upcoming

565
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: season or even ten biggest concerns second base defense would

566
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: not even come across my mind.

567
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: Definitely not we agree there.

568
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: But right. But you know, that's the point of these

569
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: player capsules. It's to dig into players a little bit

570
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: more than maybe the five thousand foot take that we

571
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: have to do on podcasts throughout the year and really

572
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 2: kind of dig in on what was his strengths, what

573
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: were his weaknesses, Where can Ozzie get better? Are there

574
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: any areas where that we're concerned about, what's his role

575
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: going to be? All those things? So, yeah, defense, I

576
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: don't know if anyone necessarily thinks of him as a

577
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: gold glover at second base, but I do. I am

578
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: higher on Ozzie all these defensively than some of the

579
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: metrics would show. And I also think most baseball executives

580
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: would tell you that the defensive metrics are far from perfect.

581
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: I mean, even the people at Fangrafts or whatever company

582
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: is recording the metrics, I would probably be the first

583
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: to tell you that they are not perfect and full proof.

584
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's kind of my take on his defense.

585
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: Well, we should kind of do a brief look ahead

586
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty five and we talked about what Ozzie

587
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: is generally speaking, but you know, part of calculation.

588
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: Let's just say it.

589
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: The contract's still really good for Ozzy.

590
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: Obvious, yes it is.

591
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: We've discussed the contracts of Mine Olsen and Australian previous episodes.

592
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: They are of course signed for longer and for a

593
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: lot more money than Ozzie currently is. And I think

594
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: still in the time that I've been covering baseball, the

595
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: reaction to Ozzie's extension when he signed it nationally was

596
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: is still a one of a kind reaction. It was

597
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: literally like everyone was just jaw on the floor that

598
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: he signed the contract he signed. It's litigated to death,

599
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: but he still has two more actually sorry, three more

600
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: years of team control. This year is the final season

601
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: that's guaranteed for Ozzie at seven million dollars. After twenty

602
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: twenty five, he has two club options for seven million

603
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: dollars each, which blows my mind age twenty nine to thirty.

604
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: Club options so obviously just team favored, because what a

605
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: club options are is basically, if the team they're designed

606
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: to be incredibly favorable to the team, if they want

607
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: you the number they pick you up, if they don't

608
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: they let you go? Very simple, man, it's so crazy

609
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: to stare at this this cap sheet basically and be like, oh,

610
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: this is still what he's gonna get paid this year.

611
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: So even if he's the guy which is we don't

612
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: which we don't want. But if he's the guy he

613
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: was last year banged up, doesn't pay hit that well,

614
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: he was still a value last year. And I think

615
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: we agree to varying degrees probably about how comp's gonna

616
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: be this year. But the risk of Ozzie underperforming that

617
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: contract is like very very very low, and it does.

618
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that people cannot sometimes forget

619
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: about the Braves and their team bloating process when there's

620
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: the debates about, you know, how much they can spend

621
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: and how much they can you know do it for agency.

622
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: Part of why they're able to do what they've been

623
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: able to do is having a guy like I'll see,

624
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: I've making seven million dollars for a long time, So

625
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: not much to add there. I mean, I know I

626
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: just kind of did the whole thing was my own Scott.

627
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: But like it's such a it's still at a highst everybody.

628
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: Just as a casual reminder, he's making very little.

629
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: And I know that baseball salaries have have really grown

630
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: over the last few years since Ozzie signed that deal,

631
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: But man, I mean that agent, even if even if

632
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: the guaranteed years were at seven million dollars, which is

633
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: a criminal underpay, you would have at least thought the

634
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: agent was like, sure, we'll do club options, but they

635
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: got to be at fifteen million dollars to really make it.

636
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: The club offics just being seven million dollars, it really is.

637
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: Of all the things in the contract that were nightmarish

638
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: from the player side, that is probably the worst part.

639
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Because look, if Ozzie just you know, bought out his

640
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: arbitration or whatever, maybe a couple of years of extension,

641
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: sure it hit the market now or hit the market

642
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: next year at twenty nine, like you could have thought, okay,

643
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: ef he has an okay season, he would make real money.

644
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what I would get paid if

645
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: he's a pre Asian right now, I don't know what

646
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: IZA would get, but it would be a it would

647
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: be a chunk of money. It would be he wouldn't

648
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: be he wouldn't he wouldn't be getting Willia Doomas money

649
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: or anything. Like that he's still a second baseman, but

650
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: he would get a big, a pretty big multi year contract.

651
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, like five, I was. It's a fascinating question. Actually,

652
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: if Ozzy Alby's was a free agent this winter, I

653
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: would say, like, oh, he's twenty eight, like just.

654
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Turn twenty eight two, so this is being a twenty

655
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: eighth season that we're going into.

656
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: Now, I'm gonna say like five years and eighty million dollars.

657
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that, And I think that could be

658
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: a good value still for him if he's the guy

659
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: he's been at times. But regardless, the Braves have him

660
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: for three years and twenty one million, and only one

661
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: of those years is guaranteed, So not I'll be the

662
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: guy that knocks on wood if something disastrous happened to

663
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Ozzie today and he couldn't play anymore, Like I'm not

664
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: even saying injury, but like he just forgot to play baseball.

665
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: We'll say he just was terrible this year, he's the

666
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: worst player in baseball or whatever. The Braves can either

667
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: give him one more chance at seven million dollars next year,

668
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: or they could just say Ozzie shake hands World Series

669
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: winner and let him go for seven million dollars this

670
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: year total. That's all they would owe him. It's just

671
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: it's just so crazy. So that's a boring topic in

672
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: some respects, but it's a good reminder of what is

673
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: the huge value. And you know, look, just so we

674
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: just to get out in front of the YouTube common

675
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: I can already see coming up to our way. Yes,

676
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: seven million dollars is a lot of American currency for

677
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people. We do understand that, I promise

678
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: we do. This is not a normal line of work.

679
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: If I made seven million dollars, I'd be absolutely thrilled,

680
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: but I don't act. But look, honestly, should be making

681
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty million dollars right now, like in his prime.

682
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: He's been a thirty plus million dollar place in terms

683
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: of value that he provides to the team, and he's

684
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: just not making that much money. So it's helpful with

685
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: the team. If all you care about it's the Braves,

686
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: your thrilled.

687
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: Oh, it's great for the Braves. You want the Braves

688
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 2: to build the best twenty six man roster and the

689
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: best forty man roster. Imaginable seven million dollars for your

690
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: second basement is a heist and helps the Braves out.

691
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: I hope, I genuinely hope that when it's all said

692
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: and done after the next three years, presumably, I mean,

693
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: you're right, something would have to go very, very, very

694
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: weirdly wrong for Ozzie to not be with the Braves

695
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: the next three years. But I sincerely hope that whenever

696
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: he is ready for free agency, he's coming off a

697
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: monster season and gets a really nice second contract because

698
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: he deserves it. I mean, we haven't talked about Ozzie

699
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: always off the field, but I mean just talk about

700
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: he seems like such a good, genuine human being. Everyone

701
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: loves him always on MLB socials with his fish. He

702
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: has this awesome fish pond at his home. He does

703
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: a ton with animals and like dogs and cats, like

704
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: I love players who go out of their way to

705
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: be community members and take a stand with causes that

706
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: mean a lot to them. So zero drama, maybe not

707
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: like a superstar even a star level, but a very

708
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: good baseball player for heck, almost a decade now, and

709
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: I mean zero drama off the field, and again that

710
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: is not always the case for baseball players or just

711
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: professional athletes in general.

712
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: And use that word like, I think he's been a star.

713
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he's been a superstar, but like there

714
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: have been three or four seasons of which he like

715
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: has very clearly been a star level player in the majors.

716
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: He's not Ronald Acunya. He's not even Riley or Olsen,

717
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: I don't think. But he's in the second tier down

718
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: there's been you know, every every year it's like a

719
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: right of passage that M WILLB network will come up

720
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: with their second base rankings and Ozzy's like twelfth, and

721
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: I lose my mind every single year. It happened again

722
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: this year. By the way, he's still way too little

723
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: on those rankings. I saw that the other day. But

724
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: you pull this that, I will credit it to you.

725
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: But since Ozzie came him up in twenty seventeen, he

726
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: is the fourth best second baseman in the majors over

727
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: that sample size by fangrafts. Woar, If you're a top

728
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: five player at your position over that large as a sample,

729
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: you're basically a star. Like you're not a superstar, but

730
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: like you're you know, that's what he is. And again

731
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: he wasn't that last year. So that's you're always good

732
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: as your most recent season in a lot of people's minds,

733
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: and I totally understand that. But I think he's, if anything,

734
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: probably been underrated during his time in Atlanta, and the

735
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: question is what if he can kind of get back

736
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: to where he was there? So do you want to

737
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: talk about what he's going to be this year? Because

738
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: projection wise, he's like, you know, three to win player

739
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: coming into this season in the way that Fangrafts is,

740
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, Zips and Steamer, all those places are projecting him.

741
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: Their depth chart combination projection has the Brives number ten

742
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: in baseball at second base, so you know, top third

743
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: of the league. That's kind of in the middle basically

744
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: of where OZI was last year and where oz has

745
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: been in the past. Does that strike you as reasonable?

746
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: Like what would you what does the Scott Coleman projector

747
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: system say?

748
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: I would say so, if if Ozzie were to hit

749
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: his projections of a one to ten w RC plus

750
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: and three war, I would take that all day long.

751
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a really good player. Uh not in

752
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: a superstar but like yeah, and we actually on the

753
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: show that we did post Jerkson Profar, we kind of

754
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: laughed about like maybe Profar is like the seventh best

755
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: hero on the team and still really good. It's kind

756
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: of similar for Ozzy, like Ozzy Can, if he has

757
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: that season, he might be their six or seventh best player,

758
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: and yet for most teams he'd be like their third

759
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: best player. Yeah, it's just he's really good and there's

760
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: upside beyond that we've seen I mean literally twenty twenty three,

761
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: so you don't have to go back too far. He

762
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: was way way, way better than that. So I think

763
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: that this is a reasonable projection. Like you said, one

764
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: ten w RC plus three wins, I think he could

765
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: be a five win player. Again, wouldn't bat an eye. Obviously,

766
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: he could be worse, like he could be what it

767
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: was last year, and that wouldn't be great. He would

768
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: be like a two win player or a full season

769
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: from last year, which is gonna get you killed. Like

770
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: you're totally fine on that. But also it would be

771
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: underwhelming for Braves fans.

772
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yes, And I said it a little

773
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: while ago. I'll say it one more time. If the

774
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: Braves get a good, healthy season from Ozzi Alby's it

775
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: just raises their ceiling that much more. And for a

776
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: team that is trying to bounce back after such a

777
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: disastrous season last year, and some of that was injuries,

778
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: but a lot of it too is just basically every

779
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: player not named Marcelo Zuna underperforming offensively. Yeah, part of

780
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: the raising the bar and getting back to the you know,

781
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: upper nineties, low one hundred win totals from his recent

782
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 2: as two years ago, is having a healthy and productive

783
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: Ozzie Alby's in the middle of the lineup, and in

784
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: a perfect world, you just said it, he's batting sixth

785
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: or seventh behind six really really good baseball players, and

786
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: he has one hundred RBI because every time he goes

787
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: up there, he's got a couple of all stars batting

788
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: ahead of him, and and that would be a really

789
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: really good sign for the Braves next season if if

790
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: Ozzie's out there for one hundred and fifty one hundred

791
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: and sixty games and hopefully the guy's hitting ahead of

792
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: him are are living up to the hope and production

793
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: that we've seen in the past.

794
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: For sure, we should quickly say what happens if Ozzie

795
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: gets hurt, because we've done that in all these episodes.

796
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, what's the contacy playing? They don't

797
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: really have a built in backup second baseman, like you're

798
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna have one utility infielder in the modern game. Basically,

799
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: if Ozzie was out for a long time, I think

800
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: it would be Nacho Alvarez time. Does that strike you

801
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: as a reasonable take. If Ozzie okay, okay, we'll say

802
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: let's say it's it's April fifteenth, the Braves announced ozz

803
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: is gonna be out for three months, I kind of

804
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 1: think they would probably go to Nacho at second base

805
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: only because well, at with their current roster. Obviously the

806
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: roster can change. But the other guys that you would mention,

807
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's Nick Allen, h Christian is it Christian?

808
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: Cairo's how you say his name?

809
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so.

810
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: They're on the forty man their backup in fields. That's

811
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: they are like the very boring we at least Nick

812
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: Allen's a very boring backup been field. Cairo's a little

813
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: bit more talented, more hot, a little more upside there,

814
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: it seems like. But the brain is the way that

815
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: brains have operated in recent years when guys have gotten

816
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: hurt is if it's short term, they'll just kind of

817
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: plug the gap. With their backup guy. If it's long term,

818
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: they've been more way to go to the system, like,

819
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 1: for instance, when Von Gristom was tied to play second

820
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: base for the Braves because as it got hurt for

821
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 1: a while, they want to christ Nacho is not one Gristom.

822
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: But it's kind of a similar situation. Is that Is

823
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: that seem reasonable? I don't know, we're kind of guessing, but.

824
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, assuming Nacho Alvarez is in the organization.

825
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he's on the team, that's a good guy

826
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: out to give on this evergreen episode that Nasho is

827
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: still on the on the roster as we're talking.

828
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's old brand wittmer Field.

829
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: Up to is honestly, it's you your shell available right

830
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: now somewhere?

831
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: Could you right? You know? I would, I would think,

832
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: without knowing what the Braves feel of Nacho Alvarez internally,

833
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: assuming he is on the team, if the Braves were

834
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: two weeks into the season and lost all these for

835
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: however long, I would wonder if they would try to

836
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: go out there and add a veteran. I'm just not

837
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 2: sure that Nacho is ready for the majors right now,

838
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: and that's not now it might it might be Nick.

839
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: Allen, just for the record, like he might just be

840
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: that guy.

841
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: And for Nacho again, it's not a knock on him

842
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: that he's not necessarily ready for everyday life in the

843
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 2: major leagues. He just moved so quickly through the minor

844
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: leagues last season, and I think it's more than fair

845
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: to say he probably needs some more time to really

846
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 2: develop and learn how to drive the baseball and how

847
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: big league pitchers are going to try to pitch him. So,

848
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: uh yeah, in an ideal world, we don't have to

849
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: find out, but if Ozzie gets hurt again, it might

850
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: be a little ugly at second base for a while,

851
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 2: we think. Get one question that I want to answer,

852
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: and it's basically someone asked us if Profar could play

853
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: second base because he has it's been a while, so

854
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: I looked this up.

855
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: Profar was a middle infielder by trade. As a young player,

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Speaker 1: played shortstop. He's actually played I think it's like two

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Speaker 1: hundred games at second base in his major league career.

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Speaker 1: It's not a small sample size, but he hasn't been

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Speaker 1: a He hasn't been a regular second baseman since like

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I think he played ten games there

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Speaker 1: for the Padres. I would guess he'd be pretty bad

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Speaker 1: at second base. Yeah, he would probably Look, if you've

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Speaker 1: got an EMERGENC situation during a game, hey, Heydrix sid

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Speaker 1: you're playing second base for a while, he might not

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Speaker 1: just embarrass you. It'd be better than another better than

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Speaker 1: sending Matt also in a second base, which some point, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that don't be I almost said I almostoid Ozuna just

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Speaker 1: to be even more shock factory, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: so on Profar, because that was it was actually a

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Speaker 1: pretty entertaining email we got. But it was a galaxy brain. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: what if and it was like a multiposition change. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: it was Galaxy brain, but it was one of the

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Speaker 1: things was Profar second base. And I'm like, number one,

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Speaker 1: I think you probably hate Oz's defense to even even

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Speaker 1: suggest this. And number two, I'm pretty confident Ozzy would

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Speaker 1: be a lot better defensively than drugsp Proofar. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know why you would do that, but it would

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Speaker 1: have to be he could play the situation.

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Speaker 2: You know. Maybe I don't know, but I think one

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Speaker 2: thing with Profar is that, yes, he could probably take

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Speaker 2: a glove and play every position other than catcher. And

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Speaker 2: I mean anybody can play any position, but he could

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Speaker 2: stand in center field for a couple inn.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I mean he probably you probably wouldn't wanted

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Speaker 1: to play most spots like that, but he could. I

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Speaker 1: think he's played. Actually, he's one of those guys that's

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Speaker 1: actually played I think every Yeah, he's played every position

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Speaker 1: on the field. I'm looking at this right now. In

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Speaker 1: his career, he has played every position other than catcher.

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Speaker 2: There you go at some point.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, anyway, this is not the profar episode. We've

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Speaker 1: done plenty of that already. So Ozzy Albi's look, I

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Speaker 1: love Ozzie. Let's just be transparent. I've always been an

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Speaker 1: Ausie guy. I'm very high on Aussy. I think he's

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Speaker 1: been underrated for a long time. That is still my stance.

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Speaker 1: He was not very good this last year. Hopefully he

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Speaker 1: comes out of that. Shout out to our guy. Our

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Speaker 1: former co host Eric Cole, who would one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: right now, mentioned that at one point I want an

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Speaker 1: Ozzie to play shortstop or be traded because he wasn't

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Speaker 1: playing shortstop anymore. I did say that on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: It was like eight years ago and it was wrong.

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Speaker 1: But can you imagine Scott right now Ozzy playing short

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Speaker 1: stuff with his current arm. Can you imagine I was

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Speaker 1: playing short stuff. It'd be very funny. He couldn't do it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he could do it, thankfully, despite your

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Speaker 2: insistence on the Braves trading.

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Speaker 1: It also wasn't an existence. It became like glore because

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Speaker 1: Eric brought it up like a hundred times. I did

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Speaker 1: say it to be he was right that I said that.

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Speaker 1: My whole point was, all right, if he's not playing shortstop,

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Speaker 1: you probably should trade him because second basement are not

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Speaker 1: that valuable. And then he became a three time I'll

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Speaker 1: start second base, So maybe I'm an idiot. This is

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Speaker 1: the story.

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Speaker 2: In your face, Brad No, I agree with everything you

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Speaker 2: just said. Really a big fan of Ozzy. Alby's talked

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Speaker 2: about just the player off the field. It seems like

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Speaker 2: a good dude, and I really do hope he bounces back.

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Speaker 2: It would be great for Ozzy, it would be great

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Speaker 2: for the Braves, and I don't want to find out

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Speaker 2: what happens at second base if he goes down again,

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Speaker 2: because it would not be great, especially for a team

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Speaker 2: that already has a bit of a pretty gigantic question

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Speaker 2: mark at shortstop to the second. Baseman's right, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: hopefully good things ahead for Ozzy Alby's And yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean if you tell me that he bounces back in

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Speaker 2: a big way, I would not be surprised in the least.

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Speaker 1: We agree on that, and stay healthy Ozzy as the

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Speaker 1: that's for all these but certainly would be helpful if

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Speaker 1: he was on the field more than he was in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. All right, Scott, that's all we have

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Speaker 1: on this capsule. Once you have more to add on

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Speaker 1: the Ozzi Opoisis experience, we can sot off this one.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, perhaps someone has been furiously searching for

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Speaker 1: Ozzy Albi's on YouTube and they'll just fire us for

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Speaker 1: the first time. If that's the case, where can they

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Speaker 1: find more of your Braves musings on the internet?

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Speaker 2: I am at Scott Coleman fifty five on socials. I

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Speaker 2: also do a little bit of writing still over at

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Speaker 2: battery power dot com. I know we plug them a

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Speaker 2: couple of times in this episode, but if you're a

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Speaker 2: Braves fan and you're not checking out Battery Power, the

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Speaker 2: team over there does such a good job covering the

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Speaker 2: braves day in and day out, so I would very

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Speaker 2: happily plug the work by Well, my stuff is nothing special,

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Speaker 2: but there's a lot of really smart people over at

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Speaker 2: Battery Power who I would recommend. And yeah, Brad, this

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Speaker 2: was a good episode with you, and we'll be back

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Speaker 2: for another one soon. We will certainly be back, we

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Speaker 2: always are on the podcast. Please subscribe to hamber Territory

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Speaker 1: I have to say, you just get to watch Scott

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Speaker 1: laugh at me person on the camera. But anyway, rate review.

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