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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Beat your halfy Hour. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joe and I'm Serena and we are here today with

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Speaker 1: Dina from Grand Season.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Dina, Hi, it's so nice to meet you guys.

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Speaker 2: I know Serena, you and I got a chance to

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit after Women Tell All, but Joe

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Speaker 2: wasn't there. So Joe, nice to meet you. Nice to

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Speaker 2: see you Serena again.

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Speaker 1: Nice to meet you too. I'm I'm also from Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Where are you from?

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Speaker 2: Amazing? I'm from Chicago. Was born and raised in the

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Speaker 2: Southwest suburbs Burridge if you're familiar with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so grow up Melrose Park.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's like more city right close.

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Speaker 1: Do you know where like Johnny's Beef is?

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Speaker 2: I only know like Bona Beef?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Wow, I wasn't expecting that. I think my cousin is

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Speaker 1: that the drive through Bona Beef? Yeah, Bonea Bee's good.

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Speaker 2: I went to high school with all of them, so

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Speaker 2: you know, that's really the only place that I would

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Speaker 2: go to get beef if I was going to get

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Speaker 2: beef in Chicago. I'm so sorry, got it, got it.

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Speaker 3: I think my cousin taking me on like a Chicago

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Speaker 3: beef tour of the city. At this point, I've had

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Speaker 3: so many different beefs. Really, yeah, he loves them.

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Speaker 2: That's not like my go to food.

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Speaker 3: If I'm hungry, what's your go to like Chicago staple,

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Speaker 3: I just.

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Speaker 2: Go find dining because it's just everywhere. I live right

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Speaker 2: smacked up in the city, so it's just everywhere. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: do you.

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Speaker 3: Have a favorite restaurant?

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Speaker 2: I would say I took the girls there, So I'm

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Speaker 2: just gonna say Maple and Ash. That's like the one

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Speaker 2: place that I would take if someone was coming into

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Speaker 2: town and they needed to go somewhere that was like

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Speaker 2: fun and vibe, but like really good food, Like I

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Speaker 2: love Italian food, so i'd go to like Elina's, which

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Speaker 2: is like a little spot in West Town that.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't get yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: They've got like the candles. It's kind of has the

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Speaker 2: bachelor vibe in there. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I used to live over there. I lived close to there.

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Speaker 1: I think my cousin knows you, Teresa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's one of my friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's my cousin.

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Speaker 2: So okay, well that's amazing. Yeah, I did know that.

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Speaker 2: I just haven't had a chance to say that too

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Speaker 2: yet nice?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Okay, but Joe didn't she live in your place?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that was there? Wow? Okay, okay, let's let's

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Speaker 1: get into it. Let's start from the beginning. How did

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Speaker 1: you wind up on the Bachelor?

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Speaker 2: Oh? God? So how did I wind up on the Bachelor.

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Speaker 2: I was going through a breakup, like a pretty long

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Speaker 2: term breakup, and I was heading to my sister's place

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Speaker 2: for I think it was a Christmas brunch or something.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not joking. I had, what this is bad

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to get in trouble for it. But

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Speaker 2: what one hand had my phone in it, and then

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Speaker 2: my other hand was on the wheel, and I was

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Speaker 2: just like applying, like just for ships and gigs, like

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Speaker 2: I didn't think anything of it. I was like this.

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Speaker 2: I was watching a lot of reality TV at that time,

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Speaker 2: like I think Love is Blind had just come out

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Speaker 2: for the first time. I was I was watching Bachelor

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Speaker 2: for the first time since like years ago, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, let me just like apply. I'm sure nothing

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Speaker 2: will come of it. And then I went to my

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Speaker 2: sister's little brunch and I told them, like, guys, guess

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Speaker 2: what I just did. And I was like, I find

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Speaker 2: nothing's gonna come of it, but like how funny. We

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Speaker 2: all had a good laugh. Yeah, and sure enough, like

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Speaker 2: the ball just kept rolling and it turned into something

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Speaker 2: and then it was like, yeah, you're gonna be on

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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh shit, I guess, I guess

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Speaker 1: Did you apply for Love is Blind as well?

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Speaker 2: No? No, yeah, I don't think love is blind, So

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Speaker 2: like I'm not even trying to like do that experience.

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Speaker 3: I think people that are applying for the Bachelor are

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Speaker 3: not trying to prove that love is blind. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: very different themes and messaging coming out of this different.

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Speaker 2: Totally different vibes, and I'm not even gonna sit here

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree, I agree. I think that that

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Speaker 1: show to me is wild, But imagine that you're watching it.

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Speaker 3: And the stakes are also just so high. Like getting

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Speaker 3: engaged at the end of a show is one thing.

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Speaker 3: I know people think that's crazy, but like I just

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Speaker 3: think that's way more doable than getting married.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and before you ever even see them, you know,

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Speaker 2: you're already engaged before you even get to see them, right,

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Speaker 2: So it's just yeah, no, it definitely did not apply,

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Speaker 2: never even to cross my mind. I don't know why

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Speaker 2: the Bachelor was just at the forefront. I think I

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Speaker 2: had such a good time watching Love Is Blind. I

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Speaker 2: was like, what else can I watch that's like in

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Speaker 2: the same genre, And so I went and I watched

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Speaker 2: I think it was Clayton's season. I think it was

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Speaker 2: his season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you watch Gen season?

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Speaker 2: I did, once I realized that I was going through

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Speaker 2: the process and this might happen. I did watch her season,

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Speaker 2: and then I watched Joey's as well. That's kind of hard.

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Speaker 3: Were there any guys that stood out for you that

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Speaker 3: you were like, ooh, I kind of hope that they

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Speaker 3: might be the Bachelor while you were going because you're

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Speaker 3: interviewing as Gen season's airing and assuming.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Grant was actually at the top of my list.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wow, Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 1: That's always like, I mean, I feel like you, I

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Speaker 1: feel like that's a sign when you're like, I really

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Speaker 1: want it to be this person and then it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Did the concept of getting engaged at the end of

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Speaker 3: you know, two months intimidate you at all?

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Speaker 2: No, not even a little. That's like the exciting it

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Speaker 2: for me. So prior to being on the show, was

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Speaker 2: in like a four year relationship and it just wasn't

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Speaker 2: going and you were, well, it was going somewhere, but

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Speaker 2: it ultimately I don't think that was my person. And

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Speaker 2: so I always said after that relationship, like, once I

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Speaker 2: there again. I feel like I'm going to meet my person,

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Speaker 2: date very short, get engaged, and then a lobe. So

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Speaker 2: that's always have been like kind of my plan moving

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Speaker 2: forward in relationships. So to me, I was like, oh, perfect,

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Speaker 2: I get to just go and do what I want

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Speaker 2: let's just do it.

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Speaker 1: Were you so you're so you're someone who is ready

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Speaker 1: to get engaged to get married totally?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Were there other women on the show that you felt

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Speaker 1: were like this person, No, is this person ready?

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Speaker 2: I think that's one of the most surprising things about

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Speaker 2: the show, At least for my season and my experiences.

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Speaker 2: I thought every girl that I met was on that

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Speaker 2: same mindset as me, Like everyone was super ready to

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Speaker 2: get to know Graham, get to an engagement, get married.

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Speaker 2: It just seemed like maybe it was also because they

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Speaker 2: casted an older group, like I'm thirty two years old,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of the women were around my age,

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Speaker 2: twenty six. Either way, everyone had that mindset of like

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Speaker 2: we were just looking to find my person, get engaged,

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Speaker 2: I'm not really looking to get engaged. I had never

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Speaker 1: No who. I liked her. I thought she was one

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Speaker 1: of the more. I thought she was entertaining, and I

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Speaker 1: thought she had a great personality. But I would have

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Speaker 1: probably what was her name, I think Bailey. Bailey wasn't

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Speaker 3: Well, I agree, but defense they showed her in a

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Speaker 3: very fun, silly, playful light. We didn't really get to

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Speaker 2: Agreed, and she she was my roommate actually in the house.

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Speaker 2: So she's actually one of my close friends. And she's

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Speaker 2: so funny. She's so light hearted. She will like make

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Speaker 2: Like so, I do see where you're coming from. But

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Speaker 2: she's someone that I would say too, is ready for

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Speaker 1: I think she'll do. I don't know if she's going

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Speaker 3: She's personality super suited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah for that show. Okay, So going back to

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Speaker 1: night one, you step out of the limo, you see

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Speaker 1: to that moment. What's going on in your head?

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Speaker 2: Oh God, stepping out of the limo and seeing Grant

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Speaker 2: And I'm not really somebody that gets nervous, which makes.

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Speaker 2: Way worse, because I wasn't expecting to be nervous, right,

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Speaker 2: and I actually was in the limo. Oh God, was

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Speaker 2: I before or after Juliana? I don't remember, but like

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Speaker 2: I was right after her because they kept talking. Everyone

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Speaker 3: I was first out of my limo and I was

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Speaker 2: Are just like chitter chattering. So if you have this

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Speaker 2: like I just kind of got used to that idea

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Speaker 2: Thousand percent. Yes, that's exactly how I felt.

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Speaker 1: God.

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Speaker 2: He was thrilled, very lucky, so that that was really it.

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Speaker 2: I just remember feeling like I was dumbfounded because I

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Speaker 1: And I feel like they really they really make the lead.

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Speaker 2: Yes, He's like just like, what's the word there's a

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Speaker 2: Let's go with that one. Yeah, being you know in

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Speaker 3: Yes, and it's all the little stick figures in paper.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So I was like, well, this is my sister,

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Speaker 2: Romanian? Greek?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I thought you were Greek?

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Speaker 2: Again?

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Speaker 2: One of eleven, one of eleven, so I have ten. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It like very similar to Indian culture.

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Speaker 2: And so I was like, oh, well, both of them

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Speaker 3: Do you kind of as a child have always led

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Speaker 2: To them, that's exactly right, and so it was not

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Speaker 1: And then let's let's jump I mean, we'll we'll continue

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Speaker 2: I only spoke to producers. Right. The information that was

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Speaker 2: said to me was, hey, like a lot of your

439
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 2: family's really supportive and they want to come to hometowns,

440
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,199
Speaker 2: but then you've got a few of them kind of

441
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,000
Speaker 2: fighting and saying this is too fast. And also we

442
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 2: had a shorter season. Like when I spoke to my

443
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 2: family about hometowns, I said, if I go to hometowns,

444
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,680
Speaker 2: we're going to be at like week eight or week seven.

445
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 2: I forget what I said, but it was like way

446
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,440
Speaker 2: later weeks because then you pretty much only have two

447
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,159
Speaker 2: weeks left until you're engaged. Right, My family got notified

448
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,119
Speaker 2: I think it was week three or four, because they

449
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 2: start to kind of notice the families that they think

450
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 2: might be in hometowns for the women that might be

451
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 2: going to hometowns pretty early on, and so they were like,

452
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,399
Speaker 2: she just left, Like what do you mean? And so

453
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 2: that started that stirred up a lot of issues in

454
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 2: the family group chat. They were like, you guys, she

455
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 2: just left a few weeks ago, Like this crazy, Like

456
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 2: does anyone like actually know what's going on? And so

457
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 2: they'd been looking on Reddit, they were looking online. There

458
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 2: was like this storyline that like I might be a

459
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 2: villain and I like started a ruckus at the R

460
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 2: and B day. I don't know if you guys ever

461
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 2: heard about that, but there was that going on in

462
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 2: the background, and my family was like, is this show

463
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 2: actually about finding love? Is this show serious? Or are

464
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 2: they just trying to pain her as someone who she's not.

465
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 2: So that was an added element with my family. And

466
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 2: so if you can think of a normal family and

467
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 2: how much you guys might have differing opinions a family

468
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 2: of ten, eleven, twelve, my parents included having all of

469
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 2: these different not speaking to me, seeing different stuff online,

470
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 2: then thinking about the timeline they were just fighting about

471
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 2: it and like whether it was for me whether they

472
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 2: should go and if they're like, well, if we don't go,

473
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 2: then maybe she'll just come home and move off to

474
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 2: deal with this, you know, but then if so, It

475
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 2: was a lot of that, and all I heard was

476
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 2: the family was fighting. They feel a certain way about it,

477
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, I don't feel

478
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 2: like my connection is super strong right now where I

479
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,199
Speaker 2: can get engaged. In two weeks. I had been in

480
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 2: LA for like eight days since Scotland, like waiting for

481
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 2: my hometown, and I was like, I feel like I

482
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 2: should be missing him more. I feel like I should

483
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: be worried about how his hometowns are going with the

484
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 2: other women, and I just wasn't. So that was worrying me.

485
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 2: And so when I got that call for the producers

486
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: as I'm on my way literally at the gate going

487
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 2: to Chicago, we were one of the last people on

488
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 2: the plane. Hey, your family's fighting about hometowns, Like, what

489
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 2: do you want to do? Do some of them to

490
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 2: come due, some of them not come? I said, you

491
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 2: know what, I'm am not going to be able to

492
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 2: convince my family that I'm ready to get engaged in

493
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: two weeks based on where I am right now, So

494
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 2: let's just do a friend's thing, Because if it's going

495
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: to be me sitting down with like the half that's supportive,

496
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: then I just shafted the other half that's like not

497
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: that supportive. And I want everyone to be like in

498
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 2: a kumbaya, you know, we all support you, and we

499
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 2: all want to see like where this is going with Grant,

500
00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: And it just didn't look like that was going to help,

501
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 2: and so I made the decision at the end of

502
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 2: the day, did not have them.

503
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 3: Well, you're persally also thinking like, okay, let's say just

504
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 3: bring the family that is supportive of it. Then you've

505
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 3: got like a divide situation, or you bring all of them,

506
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 3: and you're spending a lot of your hometown convincing some

507
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 3: of your family of this process how it works, and

508
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 3: then you're also doubting the relationship. You're probably like I

509
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 3: don't want to spend like all this time convincing them

510
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: and selling them on this situation to then see them

511
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: like two days later when I head out.

512
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also when I wasn't convinced myself when Granted

513
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 2: I first saw each other for the first time in Chicago.

514
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: Like I told him, I was like, I feel off,

515
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 2: I feel weird, Like it's been eight nights. He's like,

516
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 2: it's been a few days. I was like, no, it's

517
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: been like nine. It's been like nine days traveling, including

518
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: all of that, I'm not seeing each other. And I

519
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 2: just felt like, if you want to know whether your

520
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: relationship will, what's the phrase, like take the test of

521
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: time or like survive the test of time, whatever the

522
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: phrase is, like, you have to spend I'm apart from

523
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: that person, right and then when you see each other again,

524
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: like see how you feel. And I was very aware

525
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 2: of how I felt. I was like, I feel distant.

526
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: I feel like our connection is not that strong, and

527
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: like as strong as I thought it was because I

528
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: had just been out in the real world. I was

529
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: out in Beverly Hills, like we were like doing fun stuff.

530
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 2: We were just like out in the world for the

531
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,719
Speaker 2: first time, not in this like little bachelor bubble. And

532
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 2: so I think it was the first time where I realized,

533
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's me. Yeah, yeah, And

534
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 2: I was so delusional. I was like, there's no way

535
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: anyone has said I love you right now, right at

536
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: this point, there's no way because I don't feel that

537
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: at all, and I don't think I could get there

538
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: in two weeks. Maybe I could, That's why I stayed

539
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: Maybe I could, But at this point I was so delusional.

540
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: I thought everyone was around the same playing field as

541
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 2: I was, because it was just not it was such

542
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: a quick process. I was like, how could anyone possibly

543
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 2: fall in love in week four? Week five?

544
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: But did you guys talk about did you talk about

545
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: that with the other women when you got down to it,

546
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: like the last the last four women, did you guys

547
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: have that conversation of like you're like, I'm not really ready?

548
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that happened. So right after my hometown, I was

549
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 2: the last hometown, we went back to LA and we

550
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: had the producer set up this whole you know, girl

551
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: chat before the rose ceremony, and that was the first

552
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: thing that I said. I said, so my family wasn't

553
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 2: there at my hometown, was just a friends thing and

554
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: we were all kind of talking about our fears moving forward,

555
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: and that was the first thing I said, Guys, I

556
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: don't know if I can be engaged in two weeks,

557
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: Like does that not sound crazy to anyone else? And

558
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 2: like you could hear a pin drop.

559
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: They were all like, we're ready for Yeah.

560
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: We're all so a little crazy, but no.

561
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: No, no, don't be wrong. I would be ready to be engaged.

562
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: I just didn't feel that totally. Yeah, yeah, Like if

563
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: I like felt it and like everything was like on

564
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: the up and up, up and up, up and up

565
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: the entire time, I would have been one hundred percent there.

566
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: But I did didn't feel that with Grant. They're just

567
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: quite frankly, was there just wasn't enough time. And because

568
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: of the limited amount of time that I thought that

569
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 2: I was able to spend Grant, I thought the girls

570
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: were feeling the same way.

571
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 3: Do you think looking back, if it had been your

572
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: person that was the lead, it might have been different,

573
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: Like do you think your feelings of like this isn't

574
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: enough time. I don't know if I'm ready had to

575
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: do with both, like the short time frame obviously you

576
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 3: guys had a short season also, and then in tandem

577
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: with the fact that maybe Grant just like wasn't the

578
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 3: guy for you.

579
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: That's absolutely what it was. It's just Grant wasn't my person,

580
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: and it just took, you know, the process to figure

581
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: that out and That's what the show's all about, right,

582
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: like to figure out if you are each other's person.

583
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: And you know, do I think that a longer season

584
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: would have made me figure that out or would have

585
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: made him my person? Probably not, you know, I just

586
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: think it took me up until Hometowns to realize, oh,

587
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: he's definitely not my person. Yeah, and that was okay.

588
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: You know, ultimately he found his person and that's all

589
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: that mattered, and that's what it was all about.

590
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: So did you think he was gonna end up with

591
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 3: like from that girl chat where you like, hmm, I

592
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 3: think maybe it could be so and So.

593
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: I mean Latia, it was Latia for me, it was

594
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: Lytia since we were in the house. I mean when

595
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 2: we were in the house, I just remember we were

596
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 2: all talking so freely, like I never felt. I know,

597
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: there's this like idea that the girls get so jealous

598
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: and we're so jealous of each other's connections and things

599
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: like that. We're really not because we don't know, we

600
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: don't know what the connection is. Like we talk like

601
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: how girls chat, but we're not like, oh, you know,

602
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: he told me that you know, I'm his number one,

603
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: or he told you know, we don't. We're not comparing

604
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: notes in that way. We're just kind of like talking

605
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 2: about Grant generally, like, Oh, isn't he's so nice? Oh

606
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: he's so sweet? Did you see when he said this?

607
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: Like we've talked that way, right, And so unless I'm

608
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: there watching them interact or hear about a conversation that

609
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: they had, we really don't know where the other relationships

610
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: for the connections stand, right. And so the only person

611
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: that I felt in the house had such a strong

612
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: connection and like really was withholding a lot was Letia.

613
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: Like she always kept her peace and her cards really

614
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 2: close to her chest and was never really like in

615
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: those conversations, and you could tell it was because she

616
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: felt strong feelings pretty early on. And so I always

617
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: thought that, And even I remember in Scotland, like before

618
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: she got her one on one she we had talked

619
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: about it briefly in our hotel room, like she was like,

620
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: I'm like I'm screwed, like I'm really indeed, And I

621
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, yeah, I thought so, because this

622
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: is the first time you get voiced it to me.

623
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: But you just buy her mannerisms by the way that

624
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: she would It's just like a look you know, people

625
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: just have like a look about them. And obviously I

626
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: was there at the Puppy day two with Litia and

627
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: Grin and Sarafina, and I could just tell then too

628
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: that third connection was pretty strong. So I always thought

629
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: with I really did.

630
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So pre Women Tell All, before we before you

631
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: go to Women Tell All, where do you stand with Carolina? Like,

632
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: what what is your relationship? Like now you guys like

633
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: kind of you beefed down the show, then you you

634
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: kind of make up. And that's what we see going

635
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: into Women Tell All.

636
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: Before Women Tell All. I think, man's this is so

637
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: difficult because I think we were all navigating like the

638
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: internet space and like the public attention for the first time, right,

639
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: And so I thought we were just fine, Like we

640
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: weren't friends, I would I wouldn't say, but we also

641
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: weren't enemies or weren't against one another in any sense

642
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: of the word. I had even sent her a text

643
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: at some point and say, you know, regardless of what

644
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: the internet wants to, you know, say and like create

645
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: this kerly Ni versus Dina divide like I don't feel

646
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: that against you at all, just so you know, And

647
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: then we kind of exchanged some niceties and that was it.

648
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: So you two were on the same page.

649
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 2: We were on the same page. Yeah, And then you know,

650
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: I think I went into Women's how all like super

651
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: defensive because there had been a lot of online stuff

652
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: and I think the public feeding into it can sometimes

653
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: feed into you. And that's like the first mistake that

654
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: I made, as I let it really get to me.

655
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: And so I went in there like kind of in

656
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: lawyer mode, like I'm just going to go there and

657
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: any argument you have, I'm going to attack it, and

658
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure that I prove my point,

659
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: which was stupid because we're not in a courtroom, and

660
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: we're also not here to like win the case, right,

661
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: Like we're just people having an argument, right, or having

662
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: like a disagreement on something. And I think with the

663
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: TikTok that I started to remember that I'd posted TikTok

664
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: a previewing the upcoming.

665
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: Yes yes, yes, yes yeah.

666
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: And just that day, I think it was like earlier

667
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: in the day, I posted a TikTok of like me,

668
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: Carolina and Alex like goofing around in Madrid. It was

669
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: just like a funny TikTok that we did and we

670
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: were not able to post because once the Madrid episode

671
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: came out, we were able to post like Madrid content, right,

672
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: And so I posted that and then later on in

673
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: the day I was getting like inundated with like just

674
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: so much Bachelor of content, you know, I'm like, oh,

675
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: this will be like a funny way to or like

676
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: a way to preview the next episode. And it was

677
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: a trending sound at the time as well. I didn't

678
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: have like a following or anything like that, so like

679
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: never in a million years, and I think it would

680
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: get the attention or traction that it did and then

681
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: have her respond to it in that way. And then

682
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: of course that made me respond because now I'm defensive.

683
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: But it was never my intention to like slight her

684
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: or to make her upset. Now looking back, I can

685
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: totally underderstand why he did. Yeah, really, I truly understand

686
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: why he did. And I wish that I would have

687
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: text her and said, like, hey, you know, I'm seeing

688
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: like this video is obviously blown up and people think that,

689
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: you know, you threw me under the bus or whatever.

690
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that you know, it's become that That's not

691
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: what I wanted it to be. And I should have

692
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: thought it through or I should have texted you, but I didn't,

693
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: and I really should have. I wish I would have.

694
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: Do you wish you would have went into Women Tell All? Then?

695
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: Not defensive? Like how would you have approached it now?

696
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: Looking back at it? How would you approach it now?

697
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: I wish I didn't come in so defensive, I really do.

698
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: And I think I should have laid down on my

699
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: sword about a lot of that stuff and realized that

700
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: Carolina was probably getting attacked left and right throughout the

701
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: entire season. And when you're not in that, and it's

702
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: like your algorithm will feed you what is you know

703
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: is relevant to you? You know, I wasn't seeing Carolina hate,

704
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 2: I wasn't seeing Carolina comments. I wasn't seeing any of that.

705
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: And so then when Women Tell All came out and

706
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: people were like, you guys are mean and you're this,

707
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: and I was seeing a lot of that, I was like, oh,

708
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: this is probably what she was experiencing, you know, just

709
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: a few episodes ago. And I had no idea, Like

710
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: you just don't know what you don't know. And so

711
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: going into Women Tell All, she came in kind of hot,

712
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 2: you know, with the words on her little you know,

713
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: he don't even know to call it like her. Yeah,

714
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: the blazer was like her saying is or her one liners,

715
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: her singers, And so I was thinking, like, Okay, I

716
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: guess we're up for battle, you know, I guess this

717
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: is what we're doing. And so instead of hearing her

718
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: and like taking it in and being like, Okay, I

719
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: can understand where you're coming from, taking myself out of

720
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: it and responding that way, like I was just coming defensive. Defensive.

721
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I also think when you go to tell

722
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: all there's so much time. Not so much time, actually

723
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: there's but there's time between filming the show and then

724
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: filming Tell all Right, you kind of had that space,

725
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: whereas I feel like the stuff between you and Carolyne

726
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: on social media was still kind of fresh. So you

727
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: were both coming in with a lot of emotions and

728
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: now probably talking about it, you feel a little bit

729
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: more removed, and you know, hindsight, it's always doing funny.

730
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: Totally, there was a lot of emotion, and I think

731
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: had we both realized, like at the end of the day,

732
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: like we're both people and we both obviously had a friendship.

733
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: At some point during the show, like we have to

734
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: just remove ourselves from the drama of it all.

735
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because like when you're when you're in it,

736
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: especially someone like you who goes really far and you

737
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: you also have like this person that you're going up against,

738
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: which is Carolina, everything feels so important, so big. It

739
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: seems like it's basically it's like it's all of your world.

740
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 1: It's just like everything very emotion and then when you

741
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: when you you know, two months later, you're like, this

742
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: was it was? That was so silly, Like what is

743
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: wrong with me? Like why could I not just like

744
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: chill out and be like, yeah, I get it.

745
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: All kind of people think they go back on and

746
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, I won't do it this time.

747
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: But it's just a.

748
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: Very easy thing to You should have talked to my

749
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: cousin because I would have given you advice.

750
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: No, you didn't need it.

751
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: I should have. But something that I really wanted from

752
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: my experience is to go in and have no like

753
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: I didn't want anything. I didn't want outside noise. I

754
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: didn't want advice I didn't want which is stupid, right,

755
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: because I just wanted to take it wrong, just like

756
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: whatever happens, like I just see how I'll handle it

757
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: and just going with no expectations whatsoever. Now I'm like,

758
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 2: I'll take all the advices I can get, like, tell

759
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: me everything, give me all the like I want to.

760
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: See once you have that like baseline experience of having

761
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: been on the show, you know what I mean. Like,

762
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: I feel like now if you were to get advice,

763
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: you would receive it so much differently, in process it

764
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: differently than if you had gotten it prior to ever

765
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: stepping a little limo.

766
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: You're right, it's so different.

767
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: When you're living in where where do you and Carolina

768
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: stand now? Just friends not friends whatever?

769
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: I mean, we're definitely not friends. But I would I

770
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: go out of my way to not engage with any

771
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: like Karolina hate or dislike or anything that could perpetuate

772
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: any type of narrative towards her or mean. Like I'll

773
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: even respond like something nice just to get people to chill.

774
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: But what I found with the Internet is you just

775
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: have to ignore it. Yeah, right, Like if I try

776
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: to write something nice to diffuse it's like, well now

777
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: you're saying that because da da da dah. Or if

778
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: I say something, if I would say something mean or

779
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: like kind of you know, rude or whatever. It's the

780
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: same thing. So I personally don't have anything against Carolina

781
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: at all. I think she's a sweet, bubbly person. I

782
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: think that the process it wasn't the best environment for her,

783
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: for sure, it wasn't the best environment for any of us.

784
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: Like none of us are made for this environment, right.

785
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: I think it's all about like how you take it

786
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: and grow from it, like now moving forward, Like I

787
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: would never I always think to myself, like is what

788
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: I'm about to say and respond like emotional?

789
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

790
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: Or is it you know, where's it coming from? Like

791
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: that is it actually something that's going to further this discussion.

792
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: It's something that I've worked on myself like since to

793
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: show because I've noticed, like I will allow myself to

794
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: get emotional about stuff that just doesn't need it, you know,

795
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't require an emotional response. And I'll just like now,

796
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: and you.

797
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: Can't you cannot win against the internet, Like you just

798
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: can't win against him, and like you look at like

799
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: even look at somebody like Joey, who was probably the

800
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: most beloved bachelor in a very long time, Like I

801
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: would say, Joey, like the amount of love.

802
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: To hate it like reaching like top five, like.

803
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: Joey's at like probably like ninety eight percent love and

804
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: there's probably like two percent hate. But if he went

805
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole, like it would feel like everyone's

806
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: against them and he could find those comments argue with them,

807
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: and then it just gets worse and worse and worse

808
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: when in reality, like fucking none of that ship matters.

809
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't matter. And I think that's what

810
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: I struggle with too, right because I don't want to

811
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: perpetuate any of that negativity towards Carolina or you know,

812
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: our feud online. But then I wonder like should I

813
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: just reach out to her and try to have a

814
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: nice conversation with her or is that then going to

815
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: be well, you know, now you want to be friends

816
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: with her even though women tell all your you know.

817
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: So it's I just I don't know. I don't know

818
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: what the right avenue is or what the solution is,

819
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: but I have no hate or disdain or anything towards

820
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: Carolina at all.

821
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: So I want to ask you about your time in

822
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: Chicago with Letia, you and Parisa.

823
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: So now we're post show, post.

824
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: Show, you and Serafina and Serafina Oh, Okay, yes, all

825
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: four of you are there.

826
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: How is that?

827
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: How did that come to be? Tell us about it?

828
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 2: So much fun? It was actually very random. I was

829
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: supposed to be on trial actually at the end of

830
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: March into April, and its settled. Parisa and Serphena were

831
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: coming We're regardless, and so then my trial settled and

832
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, guys, I'm going to be in

833
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: Chicago now, let's have Latia come too, because she was

834
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: just finishing up with AFR. And so it came to

835
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: be like very randomly. And I say that because I

836
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: know that if I would have seen, you know, a

837
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: bunch of girls hanging out in a city without me

838
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: and that haven't spoken to me about her invited me,

839
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: I would have felt a certain type of way. So

840
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: this is just like to all the girls in my season.

841
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: It was it just happened to work out, and the

842
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: girls came to Chicago. I don't want to exclude anybody

843
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: like that. We're so close to everyone on our cast,

844
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: like truly, and I wish everyone could come to Chicago.

845
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 2: But I mean, we're going to be going on trips together,

846
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 2: you know, probably all summer.

847
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: Else are you friends with? What's your friendship like with Juliana.

848
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: Again, it's like the internet stuff. Like I thought we

849
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: were everything was all good and we were friends, like

850
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 2: we were definitely friends while we were filming. Post filming,

851
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: we had exchanged a good amount of texts, checking in

852
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 2: on each other, like we'll send each other some nice stuff.

853
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: But then the Internet, you know, takes me hanging out

854
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 2: with Latia and being good friends with Latia as we're

855
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: against Juliana, and it's like causing this discourse that doesn't exist.

856
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: It just doesn't, it doesn't exist. And I think the

857
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: a large part of it was, you know, Juliana had

858
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: like a post AFR event and then Litia had one

859
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: as well, and I thought, understandably, like I had to

860
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: be there for Litia because aside from the show, like

861
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: outside of the show, Latia and I are friends, like

862
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: we talk about everyday life stuff that has nothing to

863
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: do with the show. Juliana and I are more so

864
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: like show friends. You know, we've kept in touch, talked

865
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: about the show. How are you doing after tonight's episode?

866
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: How are you doing? You know, how do you feel?

867
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: Things like that? Just like nice cities, But we'd never

868
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: really had like a friendship outside of like the elements

869
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: of the show, and so I sent her a very

870
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: nice message saying, you know, I'm going to be there

871
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: to support Latia and you of course I wrote you know,

872
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: but I just wanted to kind of let her know

873
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: and like, thank you for inviting me to your event,

874
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: but I'm going to be Latia that night, and I

875
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: assume she's on invite it, you know, kind of like that.

876
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: And at the time, Latia didn't have any post AFR plans.

877
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: We were just like going to get into pajamas and

878
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: like quorder takeout and just like watch TV. But then

879
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: she ended up doing like a little something that she

880
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: put together. So I mean, all is that to say

881
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: is I addressed it with Juliana and I gave her,

882
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: you know, my congratulations and all that and told her

883
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: I'd be with Latia. She didn't respond to me after that,

884
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: so I didn't think, Okay, maybe she is feeling a

885
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: certain type of way about it. And then posts AFR again.

886
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: I text her, I congratulated her, I said I'm sorry,

887
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be there tonight, and get a response,

888
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: and then the internet made this like, oh, she must

889
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: be team Latia.

890
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: Right in my head, like a narrative that's going around

891
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: of like who's team from your season?

892
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and it's truly for me. It's if Juliana

893
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: would have had that party a different like a different night,

894
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: Like let's say they just did family in front like

895
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: close like Boston and his friends that night, and then

896
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: had another one for like the cast and stuff. I

897
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: would have been there. I would have been there to support.

898
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: It just happened to be the same night that Littilla.

899
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: I knew it was going to have a really rough

900
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: night and it was really heavy on her.

901
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: It sounds like you were objectively just closer with Latia.

902
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

903
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: Also like it's okay that, like you know, like some

904
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: people just don't become friends after the show, Like you know,

905
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: we all have our own We're all adults that have

906
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: our own separate life, so it's kind of like, hey,

907
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, Like I'm not going to

908
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: kill myself over this friendship, what do you think I

909
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: was gonna say?

910
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: Not something less dramatic, but yeah.

911
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: You know so I I think we're friends. I think

912
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: Juliana are friends, at least from my end. Again, I

913
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: had I'd see I saw what the internet was saying

914
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: about team Juliana team Latia. So again, I sent her

915
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: a really long message saying, if you were offended by

916
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: the fact that I wasn't at your event, I'm so sorry.

917
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: Like I would have, like I would have explained to

918
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: you a little bit more about why I'm going to

919
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: be with Latia, it wasn't. The public doesn't get to see,

920
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: like really who you're friends with after the show, right

921
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: because we have to keep that private until the finale,

922
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: And so no one really knew, including Juliana, that I

923
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: was really close with Latia, And so I explained that

924
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: to her. I said, you know, I still want to

925
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: support you and Grant, like I'm really happy for you too.

926
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: I like posted on my story for them, did like

927
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: whatever I could to show like I'm here supporting you guys,

928
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: and I'm so happy for you. It has nothing to

929
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 2: do with like i'mitia and therefore, like I don't want

930
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: to be a part of like your love story or

931
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: like your congratulations you know. So yeah, I thought that

932
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: was really unfortunate that she's feeling that way about some

933
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: of us, But you know, I thought I covered my

934
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: bases with her, and I think we're fine.

935
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: Before we let you go. If you end up going

936
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: to Paradise, we don't know if you're going or not.

937
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: I would assume you're somebody that they would at least ask,

938
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: are there any guys that you would be interested from

939
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: this franchise meeting down there?

940
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: Do you guys ever get an actual Sometimes we do?

941
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: We do, we do like a keem name. I think

942
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 3: the guys are a little.

943
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: Guys will definitely well there's been I think, yeah. There's

944
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: What we.

945
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: Started to do is ask like, if you were on

946
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: here with someone else, we'd be like, who do you

947
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: think Dina should match up with? Because people get uncomfortable

948
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: saying direct names, which I totally understand.

949
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: It's so uncomfortable for me.

950
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: But do you have your eyes on people?

951
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: Like?

952
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 3: Are there people if you don't want to share names?

953
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: Do you have anyone in mind?

954
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: No? I don't. I don't have my eyes on people

955
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: because I think for me, like what's my data point?

956
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: Like where what do I know about you? Like the

957
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: very little that I can see from your social media

958
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: that's just not enough. Like in terms of if you're tall,

959
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: I'm probably interested.

960
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: In you, Okay, So they just got to be tall,

961
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: basically cast tall guys on this show.

962
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're in a good d I would say

963
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: that if you're tall, you're automatically like inconsiderate. Guys. If

964
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 3: you're listening to this, you're into Dina and you're not tall,

965
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: Just back off.

966
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry to do that to you.

967
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: Guys, you're gonna have mean to be.

968
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 2: But my jeans, Like, I just am thinking about my children.

969
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna have you You're going to have

970
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: the one short Romanian guy come for you in paradise. Yeah,

971
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: and you're going to fall in love with them. You're

972
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: like everything I said.

973
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: Out a lot, and I think I'm the first Romanian

974
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: on the Showman just came it a little okay.

975
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: Diana, thank you, uh, thank you so much for taking

976
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: the time out of your day. It was really great

977
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: meeting you and talking to you. And I don't think

978
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: this is going to be the last time we see you,

979
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: but you never.

980
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: Know, totally not, hopefully not.

981
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, and.

982
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: To our listeners, thank you guys so much for tuning

983
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: into Batch Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe

984
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: to the podcast.

985
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,080
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