1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to hoo did What Now? 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: The history podcast That's not your History Class? With me, 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlwood, History Harlott and reader of books. 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Did you miss me? They do you miss me? Darling's 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: They don't even notice I was not here. Yeah, I'm sorry. 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: I took a week off and didn't tell anybody I 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: was doing that. I just did it. I just needed 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: some breathing room, I think, because I've been doing this 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: whole series about concentration camps and currently specifically the Holocaust 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: over on like social media, and there's a lot of 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: information that people just don't know. They just don't have it. 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: It's not freely available to them, and there are barriers 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: to education. And then within the education system itself, there's 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: like it's bare bones, it's basic, you know, and you know, 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: you don't get the whole picture. And I'm all about 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: providing context in the whole picture, which has got me 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: in trouble so many times. But that's neither here nor there. 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: And so this series all started off because somebody complained 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: that you can't compare Alligator Alcatraz to a concentration camp 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: because they weren't exterminating people. And the thing is a 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: concentration camp system. It was a system with different like layers, 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: and I'll cover it at some point, but like, they've 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: just got all these different things going on in different 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: categories because you had transit camps, extermination camps, labor camps, 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Right, there's loads, there's loads stuff 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: going on. So I was like, no, I need to 27 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: correct this. And then somebody asked a question. I was like, okay, 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: well I'll answer this, and then it just became a series. 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: And so that's that's been a thing. And so I've 30 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: decided that I'm just going to do it in August. 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: August is going to be I'm just going to do 32 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: this month. If you're listening at time of record or 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: or day of release or week of release, even I 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: don't know. And so I'm just going to do a month. 35 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: It's gonna be all Holocaust stuff. It's gonna be all 36 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: concentration camp related or camp related, and then I'm gonna 37 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: be done. I think for a while, I think I'm 38 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: gonna pick up on I think interment camps later on 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: and things like that, and the origin of camps and 40 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: the difference between like camps, prisons, reservations, et cetera, et cetera, 41 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: and like go through the whole whole thing, because this 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: is information people don't know golags. I'll talk about goolags 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: like I'll go I'll go to the whole thing because 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: I've got a really really interesting thing I've wanted to 45 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: talk about about Russia for a really long time, Like 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: it's been on my original list, and I'm gonna do it. 47 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: So this month is gonna be dark. Like remember when 48 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: I did that October season and everything was just horrible 49 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: horrible history. Yeah, yeah, this is gonna be like that. 50 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: So I'm just doing a blanket trigger warning for all 51 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 1: of these episodes, I think because this week's episode is 52 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: mcgless and she is awful, horrible, terrible person, terrible things. 53 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: I don't think I could list all of the content 54 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: and trigger warnings because it's just if you're upset by 55 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: anything anything at all related to women, abusive power, babies, children, 56 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: violent abuse, physical abuse, sorry, mental abuse, basically murder, anything 57 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: along those lines, anything at all, You're not gonna want 58 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: to listen to this episode because I am talking about 59 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: the Hyena of Auschwitz and It's not going to be 60 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: a pleasant, pleasant story. But I know what you're thinking. 61 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: You're thinking, Kerriie, quit your gibber jabber in fact me, 62 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: In fact you I will. But first we've got to 63 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: get our sores on. Our sources are Remembering Ravensbrook. Holocaust 64 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: to Healing by Natalie hess The Camp Women, the female 65 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: auxiliaries who assisted the Essays in running the concentration camp 66 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: system by Daniel Patrick Brown. Black Earth the Holocaust as 67 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: History and Warning by Timothy Snyder. Female Nazi concentration camp guards. 68 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: The true horror lies in their similarities to ourselves. But 69 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: Anger at Hampshire. Beautiful Monsters by Felicia Morris. This Kind 70 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: of Love Descriptions of lesbian behavior and Nazi concentration camps 71 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: by Claudia Shopman. The Beltian Trial by the United Nations 72 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: War Crimes Commission. I Was a Doctored Auschwitz by Josella Peerl. 73 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: Five Chimneys by Oura Lngiel. The Beautiful Beast, The Life 74 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: and Crimes of ess off seherin Irma Gresse by Daniel 75 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: Patrick Brown. We had our old favorites History dot com, 76 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: Biography dot Com and also Medical Review Auschwitz. So this 77 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: is an eLibrary. It has English translations and also in Polish. 78 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: And it's regarding like medical ethics and practice, you know, 79 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: within Auschwitz during the Second World War. It's very detailed 80 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: and it has so much information. It's very horrowing. But 81 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: if you want to do more research, I would definitely 82 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: start there. I found that incredibly insightful. I also have 83 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: the Holocaust Encyclopedia, Jewish gen and of course History dot com, 84 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: Smithsonian dot com, Biography dot Com. I use it incomfortably good. 85 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: Then it's begin Irma Gresia, the Hyaena of Auschwitz. I 86 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: feel like I should preclude this as well, with the 87 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: fact that I may not pronounce things the way you 88 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: want me to pronounce them. I am doing my best. 89 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: I don't speak German and I have practiced, but I 90 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: may make mistakes here and there. Try to be, you know, 91 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,679 Speaker 1: forgiving just a wee bit because I have tried. Irma 92 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: Ilsa Alda Greja was born on the seventh of October 93 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three in Reken that's like a northern Germany. 94 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: So she's born to Alfred Anton Albert gress A senior 95 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: milker i a dairy farm, and Berta Vilmina winter a 96 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: house Frau. Irma had two older siblings, Helene and Leisen, 97 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: and two younger brothers, Alfred and Otto. When Irma was 98 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: ten years old, well almost ten, Adolf Hitler was appointed 99 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 1: the Chancellor of Germany to the end of January nineteen 100 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 1: thirty three. It wasn't long before schools across the country 101 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: were entrenched in Nazi ideology. From the get go. Kids 102 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: were conditioned to be good little Nazis. Boynes joined the 103 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: Hitler Youth and girls joined the League of German Girls. 104 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: Now Hitler was like obsessed with children. He was obsessed 105 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: with the youth and children like part of it was 106 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: like they're the future of Germany, even though Germany was 107 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: only a thing from like the eighteen eighties, because it 108 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: was like a bunch of different states that came together. 109 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: Rotto von Beasmark really clever dude anyway, So he's just 110 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: like obsessed with young people because they're also really easy 111 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: to mold, right, they are a blank slate, a tabula 112 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: rasa if you will, for him to make into the 113 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: ideal little follower. So the totalitarian structure of the education 114 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: system actually suited Irma, and she's pooh out in the 115 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: countryside and she's being told that she's superior to all 116 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: these other people, right, because that's part of this whole 117 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: Nazi ideology is the concept of the Aryan race and Irma. 118 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: Here not only is she I'm gonna say ethnic Laude Yeleman, 119 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: but she's also like blue eyed, blonde haired, like she 120 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: looks like an Arian, right, that's how she looks. So 121 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: she's struggling, she's pooh, she's kind of through life and 122 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: here is someone telling her, or like the whole world, 123 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: her world really is telling her that she is like 124 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: superior to all these other people. She's better than them. 125 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: You know, that's something for her because she was always 126 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: kind of a bit whimpy. But we'll get to the 127 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: So the Buondoche Medal was training girls to be good 128 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: Arian mothers and maybe nurses because like the Hitler Youth 129 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: was basically training people for the SS. It's like to 130 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: become part of Hitler's army. And the Bondoutche Moddel they 131 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: were like, we want to make your go to house frows. Okay, 132 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: like I've spoken about it before, but there's like a 133 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: medal system, like Germany creates this whole medal system that 134 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: if you have so many children because it's all about 135 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: boosting the German population. So you have all these children, 136 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: and for every child you get, you get like a medal, 137 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: and once you hit like I can't mar now this 138 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: is bad because I've spoken about as before, but like 139 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: it's either six or ten, like once you hit that number, 140 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: like that child was named Adolf or something like there 141 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: was a very weird like points system, like for so 142 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: many children, you so many medals, and like you got 143 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: bonuses for having more children because you were like you 144 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 1: were helping Germany by having kids. So, when Irma is 145 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: twelve years old, she discovers the body of her mother, 146 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: so Berta, she attempted to ender her own life in 147 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: the winter of nineteen thirty five after discovering her husband's 148 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: affair with a younger women like some tavern owner's daughter, 149 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: which is the biggest cliche, but let's not get into 150 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: it now, because a woman has died. So what Berta 151 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: had done was she had ingested hydrochloric acid, but she 152 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: didn't actually pass away until January of nineteen thirty six, 153 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: and it was Irma who found the body. And Irma 154 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: she wasn't fond of her father she found him strict, 155 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: and he wasn't really keen on how fanatical she was 156 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: becoming because she was like really into this whole nazy thing. 157 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean, she's like a couple years older now, she's 158 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: been having this sort of forced into her brain for 159 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: a couple of years, you know. And Irma she ends 160 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: up leaving school at fourteen, where she wasn't well liked 161 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: for many reasons. And her sister would say that Irma 162 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: would only get into a fight if she knew she 163 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: could win, which in a way, you're like, wow, self preservation, 164 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: that that's pretty neat to know that at that age. 165 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: But she would specifically start fights with weaker and younger 166 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: opponents because she could win, and if anyone bigger tried 167 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: to confront her, she would run away. And so she 168 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: was sort of known as being sort of cowardly and 169 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: sleek it as the world we would use like a 170 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: week sleek it person because she would do it. But 171 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: it's all about control for her. So she ends up 172 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: moving to Fulstenburg and works in a dairy factory for 173 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: about six months. Then she goes to Liking works in 174 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: a shop there for another like six months, and then 175 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: she gets hired is like the apprentice to an assistant 176 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: nurse at hochin Liken Sanatorium, which was like a complex 177 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: of sanatoriums for the ESSs now. It was originally a 178 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: TV hospital, but it was turned into a center for 179 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: sport and recreational medicine and became the military hospital for 180 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: the short staffle, which is the ESSs. And this was 181 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: run by none other then doctor Carl Gabbard, who would 182 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: go on to be one of the mad scientists conducting 183 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: inhumane and horrific experiments in the concentration camps. But the sanatorium, 184 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: it was like a super fashionable place to stay. It 185 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: had delegations from all over the world. We're up in France, Portugal, Chili, Peru, Argentina. 186 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: It even had like British politicians stay. At one point 187 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: it had everybody because it was just like the place 188 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: to hung out and it was just like, I'm gonna 189 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: rehability at the hochen Liking Sanatorium. So Arma, she didn't 190 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: exactly have the best of bedside manals. She was heavy handed, 191 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: she was unpleasant and I'm gonna go ahead and say 192 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: a bit of a bitch. The official line was that 193 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: she did not meet expectations. So Carl here he suggests 194 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: that there was a place that she would be better 195 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: suited to Ravensbrook, a concentration camp for women, which was 196 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: just like up a wee bit. It was nearby, it 197 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: wasn't too far, you know, and hochen Liking would actually 198 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: become part of the Ravens Brook like concentration camp system. 199 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: So she's seventeen at this point, and the camp needs 200 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: female girl because the men were needed elsewhere. So as 201 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: the war progressed, so it started what nineteen thirty nine, 202 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: men were being trained to go to war, So they 203 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: had certain men stay SS officers stay in the camps 204 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: because you know, efficiency, but a lot of men were 205 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: needed elsewhere for other parts of the war effort. And 206 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: so even though they didn't want women to have jobs, 207 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: it was like a necessary evil from the perspective of 208 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: the Nazis, you know, it's like the worst thing for 209 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: a women to be was like a business women. To 210 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: the Nazis, they were like, oh no, she's got opinions, 211 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: had a briefcase, like they just could not handle this. 212 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: So they're like we all give them jobs, like because 213 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: we have to, because we don't have enough men. To 214 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: go around able bodied men, you know. So she applies 215 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: because you know they need people, but they're not that desperate. 216 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: And so they tell her to come back when she's eighteen. 217 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: You're like, give it, give it a while. So she 218 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: goes off, works in a dairy for a bit and 219 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: then tries again. And so in July nineteen forty two, 220 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: eighteen year old Irma entered Ravensbrook's training program. Now you 221 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: got trained on the job, and you didn't need any 222 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: prerequisites other than falling under the right label in the 223 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: Eugenics handbook. Now training usually took four weeks. After three 224 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: whole weeks, Irma had completed her training to become an 225 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: essays of Zeheran or overseer. Like that shows you just 226 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: the pretension of those levels, because it's like you're not 227 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: just a guard, you're an overseer. Right. The training was 228 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: harsh and brutal, designed to make the guards tough and 229 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: remove any natural empathy one might have towards other humans. 230 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: The off Ziheran were desensitized to the brutal and suffering. 231 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: Designed to be cruel, calculated, and efficient, the prisoners were 232 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: seen as subhuman. So like I think fairly early on. 233 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: There was a a situation where Irma had walked out 234 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: and a camp member had walked in front of her 235 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: and Irma had said sorry, I said camp member, prisoner, 236 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: prisoner had walked in front of her and she goes sorry, 237 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: And so Irma had to be cured of this because 238 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: Ravensbrook had initially female political prisoners, Like that was kind 239 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: of the concept of it. It was a female only 240 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: concentration camp, which I'll delve more into next week. So 241 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: the idea was that you were curing people of or 242 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: curing women of, like the wrong ideas, the wrong lifestyles, 243 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: and they would become like good Nazis through punishment. Like 244 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: that's the general just of it. So when she becomes 245 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: an officer hero and it's like a little bit of 246 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: pack mentality and a little bit of specific people were 247 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: chosen for the job, so they weren't just picking anyone. 248 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: They needed people who would uphold Nazi values and believed 249 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: the ideology. Needless to say, the specific women chosen for 250 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: these positions were adapting fairly swiftly in their roles. The 251 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: mail guards had military training, so it could be assumed 252 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: that they would have an easier time assimilating, but the 253 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: women did it quite well. The overseers would work in 254 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: calculated cruelty during the day, but at night, the night 255 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: nights for like party time. It was like being in college. 256 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: So they would feast in party. They would gorge themselves 257 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: on food and booze, and they would just like hook 258 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: up with each other like kind of like frat house mentality. 259 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: But every she just like drinking, eating, blinking. It was 260 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: all excess. And what's interesting as well, is like this 261 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: kind of behavior was encouraged, like they were like, yeah, 262 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: go hook up with each other, go shag about. It's 263 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: absolutely fine as long as you're shagging Arian people like 264 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: as long as they are again the right label and 265 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: the eugenics handbook. I remember earlier when I mentioned that 266 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: Yarma never got into a fight she couldn't win, And 267 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: now she'd actually run away from confrontation if there was 268 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: a chance she could lose. Yeah, so she's in her 269 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: fucking element here, she's at Raven's book. She thrived because 270 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: she could not lose. She was superior. She was part 271 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: of the important crowd with her Hugo boss uniform and 272 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: her snazzy hobnail boots. Armed with a pistol, a whip, 273 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: and a fist full of power. The authoritarian structure of 274 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: Nazism and the camps served her well. She had something 275 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: she never had a farm girl, authority and power, and 276 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: she loved wielding both. Prisoners would tremble at the approach 277 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: of her shiny boots. Her uniform was always perfect. She 278 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: would show up a juxtaposition and would inflict torture and 279 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: pain upon the prisoners, because yeah, Ravensbrook was a straflash 280 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: or a punishment camp. So female members of like the resistance, 281 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: political prisoners, polls, et cetera. Like that was your initial grouping. 282 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: And they had different sections of labor. You had sorting 283 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: soldiers uniforms, like the Red Army uniforms. They were going 284 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: through it sorting through those. You had factory work for 285 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: semen's hind call, probably more linen textiles. They were doing construction, 286 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: they were doing digging ditches, and they were sometimes on 287 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: corpse duty, which was just moving the bodies of the 288 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: dead to get rid of them the crematoria. Oh when 289 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: they even had women working as seamtresses for the army 290 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: uniforms for the Nazis for the winter campaign. So you 291 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: had row call, which conveniently overlapped with work call, and 292 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: sometimes they'd have breakfast like before before you miss there, 293 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: like breakfast was much better. You'd have like porridge and 294 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: dried fruits and things like that. But we're in the 295 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: war now and supply isn't great, so some techniques you'd 296 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: have coffee and black bread, and then at noon sometimes 297 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: you'd get a meal of thin soup and bread. So 298 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: women would work NonStop except for the noon break, and 299 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: any pause led to being whipped. And this is over 300 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: an eleven hour day. And one of the most common 301 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: punishments in the camp was twenty blows to the bear 302 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: buttocks with a heavy stick and irmash. She relished and 303 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: dolling out punishments and irma. She is this juxtaposition, blonde haired, 304 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: baby faced teenager with her blue eyes and her kneets 305 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: out in shiny boots, and she looked angelic, she looked sweet, 306 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: but she was the complet opposite. In nineteen forty three, 307 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: she traveled back home to visit her dad, who had remarried. 308 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: He'd remarried a widow, and initially he's like really impressed 309 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: that his daughter has a job and a good paying 310 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: one at that now he is a ghast though, when 311 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: she starts talking about life at the camp and her 312 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: pride as she regales the stories of inflicting torture and abuse. 313 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: So there's already some tension there and it only gets worse. 314 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: He thinks maybe he's showboating or she's showboting, you know, 315 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: to begin with. And it's like, maybe I'll just I'll 316 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: let it slide. She she's maybe just acting up. Weep it. 317 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: That is, until his step children's th children are affected. 318 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't find exact details on this because he'd remarred 319 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: a widow and I think one of the children was hers, 320 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: and then I think one of the children's is theirs together, 321 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: So his now youngest daughter, she comes in sobbing, absolute tears, 322 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: her favorite dolls and pieces Irma had ripped its heads 323 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: and limbs off and laughed at the little girl's distress. 324 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: And our dad's just not dealing with this very well. 325 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: He's like, this is a weirdish shit thing to do, right, 326 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: And then she lets her younger brother, her younger brother 327 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: play with her loaded gun and he aims it at 328 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: their father because he's a child, and he thinks this 329 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: is silly fun times and he just grabs the dad Albert, 330 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: he just like grabs it out the kid's hand and 331 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: fucking wax Irma with it. He's like, fuck this for 332 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: a game of soldiers, get out, like, get out my house. 333 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: So he just kicks her out. He's like, I'm done, 334 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: and so she heads out back to Ravensbrook, where she 335 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: finds out that she's been promoted. Her supervisors believed that 336 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 1: she had such talent that she shouldn't be wasted at 337 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: Ravensbrook as a mere workoverseer. Oh No, in March, Irma 338 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: had been assigned to Auschwitz Berkenal. And if you thought 339 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: she thrived in Ravensbrook, oh, she really thrived in Berkenal. 340 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: So she gets there and she's assigned to Camp B 341 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: in Berkner, which is the largest of the camps in 342 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: the Auschwitz TI complex. So there was three Auschwitz Auschwitz 343 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: ein Aushchwitz TWI, Berkenal, and then Auschwitz dry moral Vits 344 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: I think is the last one. So she starts off 345 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: as a telephone operator of the Block Funder, which is 346 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: a member of the Tottenkoppa Bunda, the death head units. 347 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: And they had these like little skull pins on their uniforms. 348 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: And I feel like I shouldn't have to tell people 349 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: that if you've got skulls on your uniforms that you're 350 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: the baddies. Like you you're the baddies, Like you're not, 351 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: You're not the heroes of this situation. Skull on uniform 352 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: pretty much to the villain. I feel like we can 353 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: agree on that, Like, let's just have skulls on your form. 354 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: That's not creepy and macab at all. It suits me here, 355 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: Like were skulls all the time at least I used 356 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: to back in my AMoD is. I like cute skills, 357 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: But I really I'm really worried that it's gonna veer 358 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: into what's the word now the sidebar? What's the and 359 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: what Dave Moritz? The sort of day of the day 360 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: and things like that, And I don't want to like 361 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: appropriate culture. So it's like I like a pretty skull, 362 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: but I knew it to not be appropriation. Please, So 363 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: if anyone knows where I can get like that, that'd 364 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: be great. Let me know. So the block funeral, they're 365 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: in charge of the prisoner barracks, attendance work, detail rations 366 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: and administering zyclone, being like that was their job and Irma. 367 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: She arrives at the camp when the four large crematoria 368 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: were constructed and nearly complete, and so she had a 369 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: variety of duries. Like I said, she was a telephone operator, 370 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: she censored mail, and she even commanded a garden squad. 371 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: She was given a job of overseeing punishment detail the 372 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: straft commando or she was responsible for the deaths of 373 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: approximately thirty prisoners per day. Now, allegedly she had some 374 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: kind of infraction that put her on like prisoner detail 375 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: or like punishment detail. And I'm not sure that is 376 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: a punishment for her because she's like, I only did 377 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: it for like a day or two, and it's like, no, 378 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: she did it for about seven months, Like she was 379 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: there a good maybe seven weeks, but she was there 380 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: a good while, like a good long will. No, I 381 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: think it was seven months. And so she's on punishment detail, 382 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: and that's already a thing. But she's doing something right 383 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: there for Nazis because in ME nineteen forty four, she 384 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: gets promoted to Auber office Hearin, the second highest rank 385 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: in SS office Heroin could achieve. And she's twenty right, 386 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: she's in charge of over thirty thousand female prisoners at 387 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: birken Out Block C, and every single survivor remembers her whip, pistol, 388 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: and boots. And she really loved her whips, Like she 389 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: really loved her whips. And she even fashioned one herself 390 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: out of like I want to say, like cellophane and 391 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: barbed wire. Like there's this thing that she sort of fashioned. 392 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: And it's so people remember the whip, the shiny boots 393 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: and the pistol. That and how beautiful she was, like 394 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: doctor Gazella Perrol talks about her cruelty hidden under the 395 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: skin of someone so beautiful. Like there's just a common theme. 396 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, Wow, she's so gorgeous. How can she be evil? 397 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: That's that's not how this works. So Irma Rezzi she 398 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: liked nice things and she liked power. She would wear 399 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: expensive perfumes and taunt prisoners under her command, because remember 400 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: the Nazi stow belongings. So Irma would take the finest clothes, 401 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: she would take the perfumes she would have, she would 402 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: take the attire that she liked, and she would have 403 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: it tailored. So she had a dressmaker who said that 404 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: she was really fond of like a navy suit, like 405 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: she really loved navy. Her clothes were always pristine in 406 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: her hair perfectly koifed, and she would stomp through the 407 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: camp completely done up, make up, hair, and just a 408 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: waft of perfume wherever she went. Irma believed that after 409 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: the war she was going to be a movie star, 410 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: like she was genuinely convinced that she was going to 411 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: go out there. She was going to be a star 412 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: of stage and screen, and everyone was going to adore her. 413 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: Like gently she told people about this. She was like, 414 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to be a star spoilers, but no, you're not. 415 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: But she loved nice things, and she reveled in the 416 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: fact that she had all this, all this finery, and 417 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: the prisoners did not. She loved showing them how much 418 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: powertry had. She would make them smell her perfume, she 419 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: would show off her jewelry and her clothes, and she 420 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: would just rub it in as much as possible. And 421 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: any chance she got to inflict pain, she used it 422 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: like any excuse whatsoever for the teeniest tiny infraction, anything 423 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: that broke or even bent a roll. She would lash women. 424 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: She was particularly fond of whipping large bread women like 425 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: this is reported throughout her story, like there's so many 426 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: tales of her doing this. Specifically, she would lash the nipples, 427 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: like she'd make sure they were naked. She would lash 428 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: the nipples which would get infected, and so Irma would 429 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: bring women to doctor Peril to operate on with an 430 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: unsterilized knife and no Anastasia and Irma would come to 431 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: watch these operations and according to the doctor, was getting 432 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: off on it. M HM direct quote, IAmA Grizzy was 433 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: enjoying the sight of this human suffering. Her tense body 434 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: swung back and forth in a revealing rhythmic motion. Her 435 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: cheeks were flushed, and her wide open eyes had the rigid, 436 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: staring look of complete sexual paroxysm. She did this on 437 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: several occasions. What the operations of the women whose rest 438 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: had been slashed open, and I'd become infected with the 439 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: lce and dirt that pervaded the women's camp. Don't worry, 440 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: it gets wuss, doctor Pearl continues. Armarez invariably arrived to 441 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: watch the operation, kicking the victim of her screams, interviewed 442 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: with her pleasure, and giving herself completely to the orgasmic 443 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: spasms which shook her entire body and made saliva run 444 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: down the corners of her mouth. Now, I hope you 445 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: don't mind. I'm going to be so bold as to say, 446 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: oh and also ick. Now, I'd like to say, I'm 447 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: not here to yuck anybody's yum. But I'm yucking this. Yum. 448 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: I am yucking it. This is not inappropriate yum. No, 449 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: not in any sense of the word. No. Remember, I 450 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: told you this was not gonna be a pleasant episode. 451 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: If you're still listening and you're thinking, why why did 452 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: I keep listening? I listened to my warnings in future. Okay, So, Earma, 453 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: she had two big dogs. This is something else she had. 454 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: She had two big dogs, Alsatians as far as no. Now, okay, oh, 455 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: we have to explain alsatis because it's gonna bug me. 456 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: So Alsatians, right, we're known as German shepherds, right, Alsatians 457 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: German shepherds. They're a dog, right, And obviously after the 458 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: First World War it became incredibly unfashionable to have anything German. 459 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: So they're like, it's an Alsatian because it's from Alsace, Lorraine, 460 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: which sort of fluttered between like French and German ownership 461 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 1: for a while, so they're like, look, it's an Alsatian. 462 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: And then they were like, no, no, we can call 463 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: it a German shepherd again. Motherfuckers, just pick a lane, okay. 464 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: So she had these two Jerman shepheards right, and she 465 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: would cycle around the camp with a dog at her side, 466 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: and she would accompany female prisoners on the sixteen kilometer 467 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: trek to work. If someone couldn't keep up, she would 468 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: set the dog on them. This was a walk to 469 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: the Semens factory where they were making parts for V 470 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: two rockets, if I'm not mistaken, And so initially they're 471 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: doing the sixteen kloma hike to this satellite and then 472 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we're losing too many workers with this 473 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: massive walk and it's taken up too much time. So 474 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: they do end up moving it closer after a bit. Anyway, 475 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: if a girl dropped something or spilled something as they 476 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: were going, like as they were making their way to 477 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: or from work, detail Irma would have them beaten and 478 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: then have the dogs tell them up pat there's reports 479 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: of a cart falling over just because they're traveling over 480 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: this like awful terrain and it's hard to steer a 481 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: cart and because everyone was so afraid of Irmarese that 482 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: when she showed up, people just got more anxious and nervous, 483 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: and more mistakes would happen because she's a big scary bitch, 484 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: right I say, big scary bitch. She was a wee 485 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: scary bitch. And so they're just like genuinely terrified of her, 486 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: and so mistakes are likely to happen. And so there 487 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: was an incident with two girls, and you know, the 488 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: cart goes over and she sets two dogs on them, 489 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 1: and they try to run away like she sets them. 490 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: She sets them on them, and one of the girls 491 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: like she almost gets away, but the dog gets her 492 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: and just starts literally tearing her apart, like teeth into 493 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: flesh and just like ripping off noses, getting ankles, like 494 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: the whole shaback. Now, didn't you think that was the worst. 495 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no no, you 496 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: sweet summer child. She would sometimes find a woman in 497 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: active labor and tie their legs together just so she 498 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: could watch them suffer. This feels like a good time 499 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: for a break. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a 500 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: break for like a couple seconds. May there be adds, 501 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: maybe i'm'er back. So Irma had many lovers. She had 502 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: sexual relations with men and women, and allegedlies, had an 503 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: affair with doctor Joseph mcgreli himself Magrelli, Mogreli menally Mongreally, 504 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't care about the man. I 505 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: don't care if I've pronounced his name correctly because he 506 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say this one time, he was a cunt. 507 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: I don't care about his name. So, so Irma would 508 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,479 Speaker 1: stand with him at selections and help choose who would 509 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: live or die. She also helped him find women to 510 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: experiment on again allegedlies. Doctor Margueli broke things off with 511 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: Irma when he discovered her rapes of women. Now people 512 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: often refer to this as her affairs with women, but 513 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: these women couldn't consent because they were prisoners and she 514 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: was an overseer. So no, there's no consent here. We're 515 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: not okay, so Menguelli. Here he is breaking off allegedlies, 516 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: not because the abuse is wrong, but because it broke 517 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: the race and resettlement law, which is basically no homo 518 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: and no race development right. Because he's like, don't do that, 519 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: but not enough to border like, so that's why it's 520 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: kind of like an allegedly is it's like if he knew, 521 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: why didn't he report her and get her like shipped off. 522 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: So Irma would sexually assault female inmates, and when she 523 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: was finished with them, she would send them to the 524 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: gas chambers because dead men tell no tales. One male 525 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: inmate rejected her because you know, they're all around, and 526 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: she was like, I like the look of him, so 527 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: she wants him and he says no, thank you. And 528 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: according to Alha Linquel, this Georgian man had a lover 529 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: or wife in the camp like she existed, and so 530 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: Irma decided, you know what's good? You know what the 531 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: best reasonable rational response to this is she has the 532 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: woman dragged by the hair buck naked and whipped, and 533 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: she was then sent to the camp brothel and the 534 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: man she had him shot. When the Red Army advanced 535 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: into Poland in January nineteen forty five, Irma was transferred 536 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: back to Ravensbrook for two months before being sent to 537 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: bergen Belsen in March. Now bergen Belsen, I think I 538 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: brought this up before, like people go, why don't you 539 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: mention bergen Belsen when you talk about the big camps, 540 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 1: because it wasn't originally like a camp for holding people necessarily, 541 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: it was a transit camp. Like it was initially a 542 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: transit camp. People were sorted there and then sent off 543 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: to other places. It was never meant to hold people 544 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 1: for any length of time like that was not its design. 545 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: So as it became a dumping ground for prisoners arriving 546 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: from death marches from camps all over, you know, even Auschwitz, 547 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: it became more over run, and there were prisoners who 548 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: had left Auschwitz and made it all the way to 549 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: bergen Belsen only to say the Hyena of Auschwitz appear. 550 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. She would laugh all the time. 551 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: She would laugh and giggle about all of the horrible 552 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: things she was doing, Like there's this weird, weird way 553 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: that she just exists because she's like very juvenile, because 554 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: she's like, oh whips, and then she's very vicious and extreme. 555 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: And so you've got these people who arrive there, these inmates, 556 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: and then you've got her back, and they're just like shit, 557 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: like this is not great for them because they already 558 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: know what she's like. And also here's the thing, Irpaul 559 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to stay in bergen Belsen. The plan was 560 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 1: to move her somewhere else, but she requested to stay 561 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: because she had a boyfriend at the camp, enter Franz 562 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: Wolfgang Hadsinger, the chief engineer of Auschwitz and Construction Department, 563 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,280 Speaker 1: whom she had been boinking back at Berkenaut. So he's there, 564 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: and who else is there? Joseph Kramer, the new commandant 565 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: of bergen Belsen previously Auschwitz so Irma, is at the 566 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: camp for three weeks, three whole weeks, and just those 567 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: three weeks there she earned the title the Beast of Belsen. 568 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: She would force people to stand in the snow for 569 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: extra long roll call, sometimes from three am to nine am. 570 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes she'd make them hold heavy rocks over their heads 571 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: so that when they were finally exhausted and they let go, 572 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: they would crush their own skulls. If someone didn't stand 573 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: up straight, they were beaten. Sometimes she'd make them kneel 574 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: with the threat of being shot. She even set up 575 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: which known as the potato peel trap. You've got about 576 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: five hundred prisoners per day dying of starvation, right and 577 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: some disease, but mainly caused by the starvation, because the 578 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: disease is easier to kill you when your body is weaker, 579 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: and so she starts a rumor that there's a pile 580 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: of potato peelings at the bank of the camp kitchen, 581 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: And so she waited in the dark until two desperate 582 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: sisters arrived, and then she attacked them from behind, smashing 583 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: their skulls together. They would survive this, but this memory 584 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: would stay with them until the day they died. She'd 585 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,959 Speaker 1: set it up way for someone to take the bait, 586 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: just so she could hurt them outside the camp. The 587 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: Nazi regime was crumbling, the British Army was approaching, and 588 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: Irma did not want to leave her lover, so she 589 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 1: stayed at the camp. The eleventh Armored Division reached bergen 590 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: Belsen on the fifteenth of April nineteen forty five, and 591 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: during the liberation, Irma confronted Brigadier Bob Daniel with a 592 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,240 Speaker 1: silver revolver and an Alsatian. So he goes to open 593 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: this door. He sees the lock is busted, and so 594 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: he goes to the door and as he grabs it, 595 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,240 Speaker 1: he feels something pokem in the back and he turns 596 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: around and there's this blonde, blue eyed girl with a 597 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: silver gun and an alsatian and he's like, what is 598 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: kind of like thrown off by this idea, and so 599 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: he starts shouting at her, and then she just legs it, 600 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: like she goes, and he doesn't want to chase her 601 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: because like the dog isn't on like a leash, So 602 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: he's like worried about where this dog is and if 603 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 1: the dog's going to get him, which I think is fair, 604 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: like they're not, like there's a reason they're trained to 605 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: be police dogs, right, So he shouts at her, she 606 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: legs it, and eventually she and the other Officahannon, were 607 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: discovered in the women's camp because all the male ess 608 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: they were arrested. But the women were given the job 609 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,800 Speaker 1: of burying the ten thousand corpses that lay around the camp, 610 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: and they did it like they weren't like off put, 611 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 1: they just did the job. They're like, Okay, fine, I 612 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: guess we're burying these bodies now. Because so many people 613 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: were dying per day and because like the supply chain 614 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: was busted, there wasn't enough coal to like get rid 615 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: of all the bodies, Like they couldn't cremate them, like 616 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: there just wasn't enough. They were just too much, and 617 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: so the officer and they were described as homely by 618 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: one British captain, like they're in like men's boots and 619 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,720 Speaker 1: they're wearing military attire and like they've all like haggard 620 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: faces and they're all older, and so he sees them 621 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: and that's his kind of like impression, and then he 622 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: spots the beautiful young blonde women and he's like what 623 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: And and so more people come in, more soldiers, like 624 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,839 Speaker 1: they're just confused, right, who who is she? What is this? 625 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 2: Like? 626 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: Was she forced to be Like there's all these like 627 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: ideas because they can't like grasp the concept. But Irma 628 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 1: is arrested on the seventeenth of April and her along 629 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: with the officer eron they were temporarily held in Willmacht 630 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: Panzer Training Academy, which is like three kilometers away, and 631 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:04,879 Speaker 1: she's interviewed by a journalyst and a camp survivor and 632 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: they're just like, why why did you do this? And 633 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: her response is cold. She says it was a duty 634 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,959 Speaker 1: to exterminate the antisocial elements so that Germany's Jocha would 635 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: be a shot. And on the sixteenth of June nineteen 636 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,760 Speaker 1: forty five, Erma Joseph Kramer and forty three other bergen 637 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: Belsen personnel were indicted on charges of murder and ill 638 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: treatment at bergen Belsen and at Auschwitz Bercanal. Irma was 639 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 1: interrogated by a British investigating officer and she had drunk 640 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: the Nazi cool aid and was so fully committed. She 641 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: was convinced that what she did was right and basically 642 00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: signed her own death warrant because she couldn't see the 643 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: horror of it. Forty five Nazis associated with bergen Belsen 644 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: were put on trial on the seventeenth of September nineteen 645 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: forty five. Each was given a number. Irma was number nine, 646 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: and so they all had a placard with a number 647 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: on it. In this five officer military tribunal. Irma received 648 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 1: a lot of attention because she was beautiful and monstrous, 649 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: and at the trial she was well dressed, her hair 650 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: was styled like it was perfectly done every single day, 651 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: and she didn't cry or show any remorse when shown 652 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: footage from the camps or the bodies peld high or 653 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: the skeletal victims. She did cry though once when her 654 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: sister Helene was brought in as a character witness. She 655 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,879 Speaker 1: claimed that as a child, Irma was a coward ran 656 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: from fights, so she could not be the perpetrator of 657 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 1: such crimes, and when she spoke of the fight with 658 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:14,280 Speaker 1: their father the last time Irma was home, then Irma cried. 659 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: On the seventeenth of November nineteen forty five, Irma was 660 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: found guilty and sentenced to death by hanging. When the 661 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:31,439 Speaker 1: convicted were returned to their cells in Lunburg, Irma broke 662 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 1: down and cried. Unsurprisingly, all the convicted appealed to the 663 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:44,479 Speaker 1: Field Marshal Bird Montgomery. They were denied. On the tenth 664 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: of December, they were transported to Hamel and Britain's official hangman, 665 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 1: Albert Purpont, was flown in to execute the beasts of Belsen. 666 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,040 Speaker 1: He decided to hang the three women individually, so one 667 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: then the other, then the other. They'd be taken out 668 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: one at a time, then the ten men. In the 669 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:16,280 Speaker 1: remaining ten they would be executed in pairs for efficiency. 670 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: The night before the execution, the three women sang Nazi 671 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: songs into the night, horrible Nazi songs, and on the 672 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,760 Speaker 1: thirteenth of December nineteen forty five, at ten three, am 673 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: Il mcclessey was executed on the Hamil Gallows at the 674 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: age of twenty two. Irma was the second youngest Nazi 675 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: war criminal hand and the youngest person handed by the 676 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 1: British in the twentieth century. And unlike her victims, she 677 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: got a proper burial, like she was buried in one 678 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 1: grave and then she was moved to another and she 679 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: got respect, and then her victims did not, like she 680 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: was trained to see the miss subhuman and she saw 681 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 1: the miss subhuman and she was so young, Like we 682 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 1: talk about the red pill. Now easy is for people 683 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: to followerd down things like the alt right pipeline. And 684 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,799 Speaker 1: that's the thing when you have this socialization, when this 685 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 1: is just smothered on. 686 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 2: You, your ideology, it becomes it, and you do one bad 687 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 2: thing and then the next thing you go a little 688 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 2: bit worse, and you escalate, and you escalate until you're 689 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,840 Speaker 2: the beast of Belsen. 690 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 1: And so ends the story of Ilma Clessie. If I 691 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: don't want to say liked this episode, because like h, 692 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: please feel free to wait and review five stars. If 693 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,320 Speaker 1: you don't have anything nice to say, just don't say anything. 694 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,919 Speaker 1: At all. It's fine. Well, you can say mean things 695 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,320 Speaker 1: about Irma nazis fine. Not me, though, I'm a delight Okay, 696 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: I am on the socials doing social things. There will 697 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: be bonus Patreon episodes coming soon, and they are more 698 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: lighthearted than this, because we need some joy. So that's 699 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 1: the thing that's happening. And so yes, thus ends the 700 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,399 Speaker 1: story of Io mcgless and the first episode in this 701 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 1: concentration Camp Nazi series. I don't like it. I don't 702 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,839 Speaker 1: There was no nice way to say it. I don't 703 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: like it. You can follow me on socials. Oh goodness, 704 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 1: recommendation time. I didn't do recommendations. Okay, let's do this 705 00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: recommendation times for recommending the things. Yes, for listening, I've 706 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: been listening to Framed, an investigative story. It's it's a 707 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:13,240 Speaker 1: very interesting take on crime reporting, crime podcasting, crime telling, 708 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 1: which it's it's really good, it's very interesting. I enjoyed that. 709 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,640 Speaker 1: For watching, you know what, I've been watching murder, she wrote. 710 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: I've been watching it from the beginning. I've watched the 711 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 1: first episode of murder, she wrote, and like, what's that 712 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four and let me tell you it's amazing. 713 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 1: It starts off with you know, Jessica telling this dude, 714 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,359 Speaker 1: you know, how his play is working and how and 715 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,800 Speaker 1: how he's just like a bad trophy writer, like by accident. 716 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 1: Then there was a scene where she's saved by a 717 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: young black dude on the streets of New York, which 718 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,919 Speaker 1: is just golden and okay. She also kisses a dude 719 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 1: because she's like a widow and old lady widow like 720 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: like that's the whole concept of her. And this dude's like, 721 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: I think you're hot, which is nice. He ends up 722 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: not being a good dude. But anyway, I've been rewatching 723 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,560 Speaker 1: Murder she wrote it, starting from the beginning, and I'm 724 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 1: having a great time, let me tell you, because I 725 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: needed some joy in my life and for reading. You 726 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: know what I started reading. And this is so childish, 727 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,399 Speaker 1: but I started reading Murder most unladylike, like it's this 728 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,359 Speaker 1: kid's detective series. Because I'm trying to get my kids 729 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: into reading certain stuff, but i want to double check 730 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: what they're reading for us, and I'm like, I actually 731 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,240 Speaker 1: really like these So I started reading Murder most ladylike, 732 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: so enjoy that. Whether that I'm gonna bed you adieu. 733 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: Oh if you're London based or London accessible, news is 734 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,480 Speaker 1: coming soon about a show, so stay tuned for that. 735 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,719 Speaker 1: And with that, I'm gonna bed you. 736 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 2: I do. 737 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 1: Adios, Olavois of Waita Zend my friends, Bye bye