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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host, ESPN and Arizona Cardinals, played

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Speaker 1: by play announcer Dave Pash. Like our previous guest Charles

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Speaker 1: Davis from CBS, we're gonna keep it national, talking about

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Speaker 1: the upcoming NFL season with ESPN's Marcus Spears. You can

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Speaker 1: see Marcus on so many different platforms, whether it's a

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Speaker 1: podcast with Kendrick Perkins, going head to head with Steven A.

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Speaker 1: Smith on First Take SportsCenter, NFL Live. Marcus is everywhere

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Speaker 1: now on ESPN, and he's outstanding. He's fun, he's likable,

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Speaker 1: he's engaging, and hopefully you'll enjoy our conversation with a

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Speaker 1: guy nicknamed the Big Swagoo, who was an excellent college

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Speaker 1: football player at LSU, first round draft pick of the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, and now a very accomplished broadcaster for ESPN.

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Speaker 1: That really comes across on the air, and I think

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Speaker 1: it comes across during our conversation here about the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: about the NFL, and also how Marcus got into this

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Speaker 1: business to begin with. I thought, getting too what the

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Speaker 1: end of my career stor realizing, like man, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ready. I have opinion, that was my frain. I

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Speaker 1: thought that. Then my wife was like, no, it's the

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Speaker 1: prior to televison. You got a big personality. People like you.

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Speaker 1: Next step, All right, let's talk about the upcoming Cardinals

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Speaker 1: game with Kansas City as well as the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two NFL regular season. Get some playoff predictions as well.

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Speaker 1: For me, ESPNS Marcus Spears. So, first of all, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know if I call you Marcus Spears, big Swago.

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Speaker 1: I get confused with all the names that everybody calls

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Speaker 1: you by. Marcus. But your your weekly schedule right now

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Speaker 1: is just as crazy. What's it like A day in

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Speaker 1: the life a week in the life of Marcus Spears

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Speaker 1: at ESPN now that football season's about to get going here, man,

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Speaker 1: First of all, thanks for having me, brother. It's crazy, um.

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Speaker 1: And and and call me whatever you comfortable with DP

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Speaker 1: you you know you've been around your burnday, you got

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Speaker 1: you got a lot of stink in the game, brother boy,

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Speaker 1: than be so whatever you doing fit um. But it's

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Speaker 1: just like I got my schedule, um, actually my actual

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Speaker 1: schedule a couple of days ago, and it was a

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Speaker 1: reminder of how much football is about to happen. Um.

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Speaker 1: But Monday through Friday, I have no time at all anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's football season, and it's exactly how I would like it,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, m I still get a

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Speaker 1: chance to see my kids play. The schedule works out

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Speaker 1: um to catch what they do on the weekend as well.

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Speaker 1: So but but now it's time, man. I mean I

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Speaker 1: sit around in the off season and I do bolletball,

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Speaker 1: I do travel basketball. Both my girls play volleyball, my

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Speaker 1: is ready. She got everything severed, UM and and VP. Honestly, man,

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Speaker 1: we've been doing that since I've been playing, since I

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Speaker 1: And then I see on First Take and Sports Center

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Speaker 1: Cowboys talk. Yeah, man, Um, you know stephen A first

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Speaker 1: But honestly, past like it's it reminds me a lot

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Speaker 1: Obviously they didn't think I knew anything about what I

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Speaker 1: But I think it I think it really starts to

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Speaker 1: And when we agree, we agree. Um, when we disagree,

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Speaker 1: we disagree. And when it comes to the Cowboys, you know,

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Speaker 1: I have no defense for how long it's been since

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Speaker 1: the hospitality that they show him when he gets here

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Speaker 1: That's the difference with me of how he comes about it. Well,

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Speaker 1: success our title, success of Kyler Murder. These are some

429
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Speaker 1: of the lumps that you take as a young player.

430
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Speaker 1: But man, when you the face of a franchise and

431
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Speaker 1: you the quarterback in the league that people can't get

432
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: enough of, and you just been rewarded for what you've done,

433
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 1: the type of contract you have to you have to

434
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: start gaining a different perspective, You have to start approaching

435
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: things differently and not so none chaluant me. That was

436
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: one of my things with Kyl. I thought a lot

437
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: of it just was none chalut like not understanding the

438
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: gravity of what we're talking about, what you're doing. So

439
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: I think that just comes with time. Man. So to

440
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: your point, I think he's pointed to have a really

441
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Speaker 1: big year, and I think it has more to do

442
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: what it's mental in its physical at least, because we've

443
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: always known he's been a hell of a football player.

444
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: So spears. Looking at the NFC West, Seattle still has,

445
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: you know, some pieces on that team that have been

446
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: part of major success there, but you're starting Gino Smith

447
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: at quarterback. Gino is a big step back from Russell Wilson,

448
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: whether it was Gino or Drew Locke. San Francisco. Now

449
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: with keeping Jimmy g makes you wonder do they really

450
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Speaker 1: believe in Trey Lance? And then who knows about Matthew

451
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: Stafford's elbow with LA. So you've got some question marks

452
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Speaker 1: at the most important position on the team. In those

453
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Speaker 1: other three organizations, all the Cardinals have a rising star

454
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Speaker 1: at quarterback. How do you see the Cardinals finishing in

455
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Speaker 1: the NFC West? And is the NFC West still the

456
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: best division in the conference, if not the league? I

457
00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: think it's best division in the offense, I do believe that,

458
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: and I think Arizona right now they need They are

459
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: at a point where they're deciding who they are. Are

460
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Speaker 1: you going to number one rewards a quarterback with the

461
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: type of money, but are you going to be able

462
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Speaker 1: to supplant the San Francisco forty nine ers and what

463
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: Kyle does over there? Um mass Stafford obviously with the elbow,

464
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: we got to see what he's going to be, but

465
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Speaker 1: you still got to descend against the descending champions and

466
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Speaker 1: understanding what that road is like. And havening't been there

467
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Speaker 1: twice as a coach who you know with Sean McVay.

468
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: So I think the Cardinals, Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury

469
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Speaker 1: along with everybody else man because I love I love

470
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Speaker 1: this young team to be honest, which I love Budda Baker.

471
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: We were high. They gotta send it. They gotta figure

472
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Speaker 1: out how to sustain it. And usually when you see

473
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Speaker 1: teams fall off at the end of the year, it

474
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: is youth. That's we talked about experience so much. That's

475
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: why everybody is always enamored with hum Brady and how

476
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: he's able to kind of get going during the play

477
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: bro It's experienced. I know how to do this. I

478
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: know how to prepare my body. I know how to study.

479
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: I know the level in which the games are gonna

480
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: be played when you're getting down to the crunch time

481
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: and you're trying to get a number one seed or

482
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: you're trying to make ways through the playoffs. So all

483
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: of those things to me for the Cardinals or what

484
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: they're going to have to figure out going forward, And

485
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna start with their head coaching quarterback. And it

486
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: looks if you don't if you want to hide in

487
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: the NFL, don't be the head coach and don't be

488
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback. So these two guys, especially Kyler being on

489
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: the field with the opment out of the first six games,

490
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: leadership is going to be on the test. How fast

491
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: can we get it going? Our ability, our ability to

492
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: play well together, some of that veteran leadership that they're

493
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: gonna have. Defensively, like, all of those things have to

494
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: come together because we know the type of football that

495
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: Temperances plays. It's hard to defend. That's a hard team

496
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: to be a lot of the times, especially towards the

497
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: end of the year, because they have that experience too

498
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: of going deep into the playoffs. For me, when it

499
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: comes to Arizona college, maturity cliffs ability to prepare these

500
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: guys and get them ready for weeks eleven through seventeen

501
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: or eighteen, and then once you get into the playoffs

502
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: to be prepared because past you know this as well

503
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: as I against the Rams, they were not prepared. It's

504
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: just but it was you. There's a there's a playing bad,

505
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: and then there's an unprepared And to a man and woman,

506
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: people that I know will know a lot about football,

507
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: even former coaches that I spoke with about their game,

508
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: former players, they look unprepared. So that's all maturity. And

509
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: most of the time we're gonna look at the head coach.

510
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: We're talking about it here, Dallas bro. You can't leave

511
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: the league in penalties and then lead the preseason following

512
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: that season in penalties. That's coaching. That's being unprepared, that's

513
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: not making the necessary adjustments to be a better football team.

514
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: So those are the things that are being on display

515
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals. And if with college maturity, we know

516
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: he can play, we know he's dynamic, and he can

517
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: do everything you need him to do as a quarterback

518
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Speaker 1: to win games and win championships. It's the mental piece

519
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: between him and his head coach down the stretch. Those

520
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: are what the two teams. So right now I have

521
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: them third pass just if you're asking for a ranking

522
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: right now, third in the division behind the Rams in

523
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Speaker 1: San Francisco. And they can absolutely supplant one of those teams,

524
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: but it's all gonna board down the preparation and their

525
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: ability to down the line. So you have them third,

526
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Speaker 1: you have them in the playoffs as a wild carter out.

527
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: I have them in the playoffs because when I look

528
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Speaker 1: around the rest of the NFC, man like, I just

529
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: don't it's it's a it's one of it's tough because

530
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Speaker 1: their division. But I look around like the rest of

531
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Speaker 1: the way, like I got the Saints and Tampa, right

532
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: I got the ram San Francisco and Arizona. So that's

533
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: five teams. I'm I'm almost I'm about to flip the

534
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: Philly out of the NFC East. I'm with you, okay,

535
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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm very interested to see what Dallas

536
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: is going to be. Um, I just can't put my

537
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: trust in Carson Wins, but I know that they have

538
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: a lot of talent. With the Washington Commanders. I'm just

539
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, struggling with that quarterback situation and what he's

540
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: actually going to be um, But right now, like I

541
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: would have them in the playoffs man like, and and

542
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: you know Green Bay obviously being that team that the

543
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: top team, but they I think they're gonna be fighting

544
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: to get in there. Because right now, when I look

545
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Speaker 1: at the NFC, man honestly, like those teams that are

546
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: indivisions that's tough, or those teams that may be like

547
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: right there in that six or seven seed for me

548
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: would be the Cardinals would be Minnesota. Outside of that,

549
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: man like, I don't see many of these other teams

550
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: in the NFC making crazy way right. The NFC is

551
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: not as deep as it's been, while the AFC seems loaded,

552
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: particularly the FC West. The Cardinal's first two games are

553
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: against teams from the FC West versus Kansas City week

554
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: one and then at the Raiders week two. Are you

555
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: a believer in the Chiefs returning to Super Bowl form

556
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: this year or without Tyreek Hill? Are they not as

557
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: potent offensive even though Patrick Mahomes is their quarterback. I

558
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: believe they can be potent without Tyreek Hill. I believe

559
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: you go to more of a golden state, because you know,

560
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: I love basketball where you do it by movement, you

561
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: do it with a lot of guys. You do it

562
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: with some guys that people don't know their names, that

563
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: instant livering bills. But I don't think they're gonna I

564
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna miss a beat. I've said that

565
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: this tall season. The one concern that I have is

566
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: when it's crunch time and they in critical leverage games.

567
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: That was always Patrick Mahomes and Tyree Hill, or Patrick

568
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Travis Kelsey. I want to know if they

569
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: are going to have a guy that he trusts enough

570
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: to scramble around for ten seconds and hurl that thing

571
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: because he know he's gonna be behind everybody on the

572
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: defense and past. You know this man like you, You

573
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: covered this game, you talk, you know this game inside

574
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: and out. When we start talking about teams like the

575
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: Knsas City Chiefs or the AFC West, we're talking about playoffs.

576
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: We ain't talking about regular season games. We're talking about

577
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: high leverage moments when those type of guys, those Tyreek Hill,

578
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: those defunct a Adams, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Kyler Murray

579
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: are in the those moments to go to the next

580
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: week and be able to play in the playoffs or

581
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 1: secure a top seed and get home filled. Can you

582
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: depend on the new guys with these different situations and scenarios.

583
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: That's what I'm waiting to see with Kansas City. They'll

584
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: be in the playoffs, They'll be in contention for number

585
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: one in the division, I believe. But ultimately it's about

586
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: those high levers moments. And right now I got the

587
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: Chargers win in that division because of what they did defensively.

588
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: And if I got any big questions about Kansas City,

589
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: it's that side of the bass. The homes in this

590
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: offensive be fine. Last one, Marcus, is there a team

591
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: NFC or a FC that you see as a major sleeper?

592
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: Because this you mentioned the NBA, you pretty much know

593
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: you could probably name most of the playoff teams before

594
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: the season even starts. The NFL. That's a feudal attempt.

595
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: You're going to be wrong on half the teams. So

596
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: is there a sleeper somebody that no one's talking about.

597
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: There was a bad team last year or had talent

598
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: but just had a lot of injuries that you see

599
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: getting to the postseason and being a factor Indianapolis coach. Yeah,

600
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: I think Matt Ryan is going to change not only

601
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: the mentality, He's gonna make those guys around him better.

602
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: I don't think Jonathon Teller is gonna have to be

603
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: the workhouse that he was, but still highly effective. Um.

604
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: But when I look at that team from an offensive

605
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: and defensive standpoint now with a veteran quarterback, I mean

606
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: they almost beat Buffalo two years ago in the playoffs

607
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: with Philip rivers Um to to advance. So that that's

608
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: the one team that I got my eyes on. They

609
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: got they got big names, they got a lot of talent,

610
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: They got elite players with the forest up front, you

611
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: know with with obviously Shaq Leonard now um not Darius

612
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: Um and then and then you look offensively, man, and

613
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: we know what we know what Jonathan Teller is, But

614
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: I think Matt Ryan is gonna bring the best out

615
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: of Michael Pittman. Paris Campbell stepped up for them last year.

616
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: They got a really good offensive line, like this team

617
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: can be sneaky. And also, man, don't count out of Baltimore.

618
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: They were riddle by injury last year and still almost

619
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: you know, made noise, but a healthy Baltimore Ravens with

620
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, who may be on a mission to get

621
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: a contract after this year. That could be scary too.

622
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: But those are the two teams I got my eyes on,

623
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: and I know they both come from the AFC. In

624
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: the NFC, Man, I think it's gonna be. I think

625
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna be straight to the tape, you know what

626
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, I think the teams that we're gonna

627
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: have in are gonna be in. I got Silly in,

628
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: I got Dallas in, I got Green Bay in. I

629
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: got New Orleans and Tampa in, and I got the

630
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: Cardinals rams in San Francisco as it stands right now. Well, listen,

631
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: you know I'm a big fan of years. It's been

632
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: great to watch, whether it was on Thinking Out Loud

633
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: on the SEC Network with Greg McElroy or SEC Nation

634
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: or NFL Live or First Take. You do such a

635
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: great job, Marcus. I always enjoy watching and I always

636
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: feel smarter after I'm done talking with you. So thanks

637
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: for your time, bro. They appreciate you. Man. Thanks for

638
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: having me, man, and good luck to you. I know

639
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: you're about to get going crazy too, man, So thank you. Yep,

640
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: Life ends for both of us here in about four days.

641
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: So thanks man, all right, appreciate you, Marcus, thanks again, man,

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Speaker 1: all right, so good to catch up with Marcus. You

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Speaker 1: Marcus is one of my favorites, So engaging, fun to

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Speaker 1: listen to. Had some great stuff to say about the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: He's very bullish on Arizona in twenty twenty two. He's

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Speaker 1: got him in the playoffs. He also says that we're

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Speaker 1: going to see Kyler Murray's maturity off the field and

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Speaker 1: his leadership skills, how they've evolved and grown and matured

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Speaker 1: that translating into more wins and better play and consistency

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Speaker 1: and more victories down the stretch for the Cardinals. Here

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. We are presented by bet MGM,

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Speaker 1: There's a guest that you really want to hear from,

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Speaker 1: Tell us who you want. We'll be happy to take

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Speaker 1: your suggestion and try to accommodate. Thanks again to ESPN's

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Speaker 1: Marcus Spears, and thanks to you for listening to another

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Speaker 1: edition of the Dave Pash Podcast